Tricking The Automation | Air Algérie Flight 5017 (FIXED)

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  • @RindaJane
    @RindaJane 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    My husband flew out today for a routine 2.5 hour flight. It was anything but routine. The tailwind was high and the turbulence was the worst he's ever experienced. I've flown this flight multiple times and most of the flights had zero turbulence.
    He said to himself, it's the longest 2.5 hours of his life and he thanked God I wasn't with him. He said he knows he'd have a broken hand lol.
    He knows me well 😉
    Thank you Alec. As always, an excellent video ✈️ 😊

    • @missyTL
      @missyTL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I understand... I pray when I get on flights ... I never take any flight for granted

    • @robs5688
      @robs5688 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Why a broken hand?

    • @RindaJane
      @RindaJane 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@robs5688 squeezing it

    • @cindysavage265
      @cindysavage265 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like he flew out of Denver

  • @wwosiris
    @wwosiris 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    even though it was an Air Algérie flight, but both the aircraft and the crew were spanish. I lost a friend who was onboard this flight. He was an algerian Air Algérie captain travelling as a passenger. May they rest in peace

    • @FungusMcChungus
      @FungusMcChungus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That sucks. My condolences

    • @crypton7572
      @crypton7572 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      it was practically a wet leased floght, with swiftair providing the crew and the plane to other airlines

    • @wwosiris
      @wwosiris 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@crypton7572 indeed it was. I would have just appreciated this being clarified in the video.

    • @cindysavage265
      @cindysavage265 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Too bad he didn't have a chance to show them how to fly properly

    • @wwosiris
      @wwosiris 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cindysavage265 he wasn’t qualified for the aircraft type. He was a B737-800 captain

  • @scofab
    @scofab 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    No problem Allec, and a fine job as always.
    Thank you and regards.

  • @Hatsunari_Kamado
    @Hatsunari_Kamado 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    A weird thing about this MD-83 is that plane is a leased plane from Swiftair, a charter airline from Spain, so the plane don't even have Air Algerie livery.

    • @leonardbose4885
      @leonardbose4885 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That isn´t weird at all, this happens a lot in aviation.

    • @Highland_Moo
      @Highland_Moo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@leonardbose4885exactly. Wet leasing is very common. Same goes for the check-in counters/staff too.

  • @billyponsonby
    @billyponsonby 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    25secs between stick shaker and autopilot disconnect. What were they doing all this time? Astonishing incompetence.

    • @JasonFlorida
      @JasonFlorida 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      So I actually did a countdown timer to try to realize this myself. I thought the same but when actually faced with a sudden dilemma it may take a bit to discuss the situation with the other pilot before taking action. I actually can now see how fast 25 seconds can go by. Especially if it's been an hour or more routine flight and all of a sudden stick shaker.... Well I am sure it's alarming

    • @emmcee476
      @emmcee476 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But you could've done a way better job right? 🙄

    • @mbryson2899
      @mbryson2899 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@emmcee476Having hydroplaned while driving at 65 mph I can certainly say that it did not take me 25 seconds to turn off cruise control.
      The steering went numb and I immediately, IMMEDIATELY, turned off cruise, covered the gas pedal, and lightly gripped the steering wheel. Planning and practice paid off.

    • @operationscomputer1478
      @operationscomputer1478 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      easy. relax stick. increase throttle. Immediately. @@emmcee476

    • @stevenc8140
      @stevenc8140 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ok one pilot does the three things of 1) Aviate-fly the plane! 2) Navigate-heading/altitude! 3) Communicate. Talk to each other! “I have control” three most neglected words of CRM Crew Resource Management. I believe if one or at least two of these were done. We wouldn’t have had this

  • @martinross5521
    @martinross5521 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Seems as though Aviate might have come third to Navigate and Communicate until the pilots were overwhelmed. Very sad.

  • @brarroyo22
    @brarroyo22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You should do Uruguayan Air Force flight 571, which crashed in the Andes in 1972 due to pilot error.
    They came out with a movie last month called Society of the Snow, which shows a completely accurate depiction of the crash and 72 day survival.

  • @bobhead6243
    @bobhead6243 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    as always , a great video Allec , thank you for the upload , Be Well Friend .🙂👍

  • @tanagra2
    @tanagra2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    A very sad story but a brilliant video thank you

  • @cmalberts
    @cmalberts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The lesson from this is the same as AF447: AIRPLANES ARE NOT X-WING FIGHTERS. You can't just nose up and zoom out of a stall. Have unbiquitous autopilots started making pilots forget the basic rules of stick-and-rudder flight?

  • @SKS409
    @SKS409 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    This accident resembles a Mix Between West Caribbean 708 and Alaska Airlines 261!

    • @davidkadish2048
      @davidkadish2048 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Sorry Alaska 261 was a maintenance Induced Elevator jack screw failure the pilots did everything they could to save the airplane. It is not similar to this at all

    • @SKS409
      @SKS409 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidkadish2048I mean that's true but the way the plane is parking and Climbing reminds me of West Caribbean 708 and the fall reminds me of Alaska 261 from an Animation

    • @crypton7572
      @crypton7572 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@davidkadish2048I think he meant the way how alaska 261 fell from the sky

  • @KyoushaPumpItUp
    @KyoushaPumpItUp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank you for reuploading Allec. Much appreciated.

  • @vfx7t
    @vfx7t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    There is a resemblance between the accident of Air Algérie Flight 5017 and the one that occurred on April 4, 1977, involving Southern Airways Flight 242. Finally, let us express a heartfelt thought for all the victims of airplane accidents worldwide, and a special thought for the captain who was on board Air Algérie Flight 5017.

    • @muffs55mercury61
      @muffs55mercury61 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      These guys just had a lot on their plate when this happened. Mistakes then happen sometimes.

    • @LindaDavies-r1k
      @LindaDavies-r1k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      💔🕊🎈

    • @cmalberts
      @cmalberts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      How is this like Southern 242? That flight had engine flame outs the reasons for which were understood completely by the pilots, and it never stalled. They ran out of altitude, not airspeed.
      This flight *does* resemble Air France 447: frozen sensors, and pilots who had plenty of altitude to recover from a stall, but who somehow forgot basic rules of flight: they needed to put the nose DOWN and get airspeed.

    • @vfx7t
      @vfx7t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@cmalberts In the case of flight AH 5017, the pilots did not react promptly to the engine problem caused by hail. Conversely, during the incident of flight Southern 242, the pilots acted quickly to prevent their aircraft from entering into a spin.

    • @cmalberts
      @cmalberts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@vfx7t Exactly. In the case of this Air Algérie flight, the pilots had *plenty* of altitude to trade for airspeed. Whatever their gauges were saying, the stick shaker wasn't lying.

  • @BabyFruitBat
    @BabyFruitBat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I don't know what it is but time and time again I watch these videos and when the plane stalls the pilots pull up instead of pushing the stick down to perform a recovery. This should be instinctive when the stick shaker goes off.

    • @peggyl2849
      @peggyl2849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It was particularly disturbing that the plane pitched the nose up. I know it was trying to maintain altitude but it should have "known" that a stall was imminent and that was the wrong action.

    • @malcolmwhite6588
      @malcolmwhite6588 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sadly it’s quite common even for experience, pilots play panic and instead of pushing down I think without clear thinking pull up pull up get away from the ground but of course that’s the opposite than what you need to. Do you need to get the wing flying by reducing the angle of attack.

  • @gbedmonds1594
    @gbedmonds1594 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think the eeriest thing to me when watching any of these videos is seeing that the pilots with so many hours of experience and the count of how many souls on board are going to die on this flight. Coming to work and taking a flight not knowing you'll be dead shortly and that that is it.

  • @thedocnak
    @thedocnak 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    blows my mind that trained pilots fail to do simple stall recovery

    • @wokewokerman5280
      @wokewokerman5280 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ...indeed, fly the plane, as the speed decreased and engine power had to be reduced then nose down to keep up sufficient airspeed and start looking for somewhere to go!.....

  • @clarsach29
    @clarsach29 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    it feels like they should have had enough altitude to recover from this, despite everything going wrong?

  • @markb1764
    @markb1764 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Monitoring altitude and air speed while flying that is why we call it flying

  • @johnpatrick1588
    @johnpatrick1588 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Either program auto pilots to recover from a stall or make sure it disconnects at stall warning.

  • @dan797
    @dan797 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very sad event, thx for ur informative video

  • @robs5688
    @robs5688 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a question.
    There is a similar channel called "MPC Flights". About five months ago they posted a vid of an A-320 that supposedly flew half-way across India with the landing gear unintentionally extended, a seemingly inexplicable "pilot error". Supposedly, the pilots neglected to retract the gear after takeoff and never noticed their error. Among other things, they eventually had to make an emergency landing because they were running low on fuel, which is when they finally noticed their mistake.
    My simple question: Can this actually happen? It seems highly unlikely to me, for countless reasons.
    YT won't let me link, but the vid can be seen at the "MPC Flights" channel.

    • @emmcee476
      @emmcee476 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never heard of this incident, or any aircraft flying with gear down for extended time

    • @crypton7572
      @crypton7572 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The incident you're talking about is air india flight 676

  • @FH99
    @FH99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ladies and Gentlemen, here is how not to handle things when they go wrong.

  • @Judymotto742
    @Judymotto742 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You truly do awesome job Allec😊

  • @jjaus
    @jjaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Considering how much time is spent in ab initio learning stall recovery, it amazes me that high hours pilots can't do it.

  • @karenbaisch2868
    @karenbaisch2868 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being an MD-80 fan I have been waiting for someone to do a video on this flight. Very sad that the crew up front were not at their best that day. I understand they were flying odd hours and probably exhausted and away from Spain and not a regular Air Algerie aircraft and crew. Very sad accident.

  • @desdicadoric
    @desdicadoric 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sad, must have been terrifying. RIP

  • @mph1ish
    @mph1ish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why was the CVR "unusable?" Thought the point of them was they could survive pretty much anything.

    • @jacobstuckey9221
      @jacobstuckey9221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The CVR was actually broken long before the flight. Cockpit voice recorders are supposed to continuously erase the oldest data to make room for new audio, but the erase function on this CVR wasn't working. Consequently, audio from multiple flights were recorded on top of each other, resulting in a jumble of noise that made it impossible to actually decipher what was actually happening in the cockpit during the accident flight. A similar thing happened with Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101.

    • @mph1ish
      @mph1ish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacobstuckey9221 Thanks, I appreciate the explanation.

    • @crypton7572
      @crypton7572 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Out of the jumble they were only able to understand the atc transmissions in this flight

  • @williammeszaros3382
    @williammeszaros3382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was rough....😢

  • @noahdavidson8733
    @noahdavidson8733 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember when this one happened. In 2014, after MH370, any major airline crash would start out with a headline with something to the effect of “ABC123 DISAPPEARS OVER THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE” to get clicks. This flight was no exception

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Similar to Air France 447, where the Airbus' uncrashable plane computer logic knew better than the pilots.

    • @gusmc01
      @gusmc01 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plenty of blame on the pilot(s) in that one. A high altitude stall with miles of room to recover and he held the stick back in a nose up input the entire time.

  • @DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3
    @DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stall warnings with stick shaker activation and autopilot didn’t disconnect automatically?

  • @azrailroader
    @azrailroader 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should’ve included the stall warning! Although scary to hear, the MD-80s had very distinctive stall warnings with Bitchin’ Betty. Remember it from my simulator ride.

  • @FERFLO-k5m
    @FERFLO-k5m 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love it; betta than the competitor !!
    ☝️💪💯🇺🇸

  • @bradjohnson482
    @bradjohnson482 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The pilots' efforts to recover sound much like I would've done years before watching all of these aircraft disasters: Pull back on the stick and panic. Even I know now that a stall must be cured by pointing the nose down or increasing thrust, but never pulling the nose up.

  • @Greggg57
    @Greggg57 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Autopilot cripples. People like that forget the basics of flight.

  • @roniBelisle
    @roniBelisle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luv your vids! Also could you do Air China 129 sometime?

  • @operationscomputer1478
    @operationscomputer1478 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    these pilots jsut should have pursued another career:
    "clogged with ice in this case. Such icing is normally prevented by a hot-air system, which probably was not activated by the aircrew during climb and cruise"

  • @rafaelbelajar23
    @rafaelbelajar23 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Sir may I give some suggestions to make simulation about Hijack on Indonesia' s airlines Garuda Indonesia Flight 206

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ‘It was also recommended that the company hire actual aviators.”

  • @crypton7572
    @crypton7572 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This crash doesnt add up, if only the cvr was recovered...

    • @LuchinoBruttomesso
      @LuchinoBruttomesso 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wouldn’t have helped at all,the investigators Said that the CVR was “Unusable”, so they Did find the CVR for flight 5017,but it was Unreadable

    • @johngreydanus2033
      @johngreydanus2033 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      unless there was an ali snack bar shouted@@LuchinoBruttomesso

    • @crypton7572
      @crypton7572 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @oBruttomesso i mean if the cvr data was recoverered, the only thing we know is that the pilots had done some grave mistakes, but why they did so is unknown, its like mandela 091, the flaps werent set while taking off but why the pilots couldnt do so is unknown

    • @jacobstuckey9221
      @jacobstuckey9221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LuchinoBruttomesso The CVR was recorded, but the audio of the accident flight was indecipherable because it was mixed with audio from previous flights.

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pitch down with left roll was the final way the plane got their attention.🙄

  • @K.B.Ravindra
    @K.B.Ravindra 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Two highly experienced pilots doing nothing inspite of so many abnormalities and flight system warnings is unacceptable. This coupled with the notorious name M.cdonell Douglas sealed the matter . RIP to all the sad and unfortunate victims

  • @shojay9270
    @shojay9270 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very sad whenever we lose an MD-80. Rest in peace Mad-Dog.

  • @3chords490
    @3chords490 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think pilots just fall into the mental trap of not being able to think the unthinkable. They just don’t believe the plane can crash unless there is some catastrophic failure. There’s a kind of complacency that sets in after so many hours of flying. This plane could have easily stayed in the air if the pilots had had a bit more fear. The complexity of the cockpit and computer systems doesn’t help either , it distracts from the basics and gets in the way of pilots “ just flying the plane “

  • @choulebanon8120
    @choulebanon8120 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I lost 4 friends on that flight. Sad sad day

  • @soumitrab5283
    @soumitrab5283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you do Air India flight 182 please thanks and love your videos

  • @robs5688
    @robs5688 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Pulling the nose up is contrary to recovering from a stall."
    😒Tell that to pilots when they're plummetting toward the ground at 400 mph. 😒
    I'm often somewhat amused by the critiques leveled at pilots for not following prescribed procedures ten seconds before unscheduled contact with the ground.

  • @ArjunaKunz981
    @ArjunaKunz981 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude next : japan airlines flight 516 first airbus a350 fatal crash 😢

  • @cindysavage265
    @cindysavage265 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, as a doctor, I think I could have flown this plane better

  • @lohrtom
    @lohrtom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?

    • @emmcee476
      @emmcee476 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Do you think you're funny or cool asking dumb questions?

    • @lohrtom
      @lohrtom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@emmcee476of course I do. And so do you Chief, don’t try to deny it. You are welcome.

  • @stuartkcalvin
    @stuartkcalvin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought oogadooga was just a saying?

  • @Typhoon_Rai2021
    @Typhoon_Rai2021 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pls Do British airways flight 009

  • @salmanalfarisiyunansyah7785
    @salmanalfarisiyunansyah7785 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Air Algerie 5017
    Fatalities : 116
    Survivors : 0

  • @Randomly_Browsing
    @Randomly_Browsing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, what Error?

    • @KyoushaPumpItUp
      @KyoushaPumpItUp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Original video was cut before giving more explanations.

    • @Randomly_Browsing
      @Randomly_Browsing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KyoushaPumpItUp oh really,I don't know because I don't finish the video

  • @douglasmontgomery2063
    @douglasmontgomery2063 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WHY DO YOU AND THE FLIGHT CHANNEL ALWAYS UPLOAD ON THE SAME DAY!?

    • @theChickenstones
      @theChickenstones 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gives us more to look forward to. (on a Friday in Australia)

    • @mph1ish
      @mph1ish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why is that a problem?

    • @douglasmontgomery2063
      @douglasmontgomery2063 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mph1ish no one said it was.

    • @mph1ish
      @mph1ish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@douglasmontgomery2063 Well, you did yell it...

    • @FabJK4
      @FabJK4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Allec always uploaded on Fridays, but TFC used to do it on Tuesdays, then Thurdays and now the same as Allec. Another proof that channel is only pure clickbait and nice graphics.

  • @vidura
    @vidura 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Pure incompetence from pilots.

  • @pirate3599
    @pirate3599 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If they used ENGINE N1 instead of EPR 5hey would be fine

  • @ADMG2003
    @ADMG2003 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks great!.But one more feedback.You didn't name the pilots as they were identified!🙂

  • @anandguruji83
    @anandguruji83 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tricking The Automation | Air Algérie Flight 5017 (FIXED)

    • @anandguruji83
      @anandguruji83 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tricking The Automation | Air Algérie Flight 5017 (FIXED)

    • @FungusMcChungus
      @FungusMcChungus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Idiotic Cretin | anandguruji83

    • @piotrstrzyzowski3336
      @piotrstrzyzowski3336 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bored Cretin | @anandguruji83

    • @tanagra2
      @tanagra2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tricking The Automation | Air Algeria Flight 5017 (FIXED)

    • @FungusMcChungus
      @FungusMcChungus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tanagra2 oh good... More cretins

  • @MykelBBY1
    @MykelBBY1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought it was a Russkie plane at first.

  • @charlie1571
    @charlie1571 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Welcome to the third world airways.

    • @moncefdalli9650
      @moncefdalli9650 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is a Spanish aircraft with a Spanish crew…. Idiot

    • @moncefdalli9650
      @moncefdalli9650 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Spanish aircraft with spanish crew…better do your homework before making comments

    • @charlie1571
      @charlie1571 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@moncefdalli9650 Facts are stubborn things.

  • @mikek8377
    @mikek8377 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Again, it comes back to pilot issues. Of course, the world we live in today seems to not place blame on individuals. It goes along with everybody getting a participation trophy.
    I'm not saying it's the only thing. However, time and time again, these findings shed light on the standards of what it takes to be a pilot continues to be lowered.
    In this new age, we can pass the top 30 and hire those whose skills and qualifications are not where they should be!!!
    But hey, we found the right person that must be selected to fill whatever the quota of the month is. And what really sucks is these sub standard selections walk around with an attitude of see what I just got! Sad part is there okay that 99 more qualified people got passed up because you were too lazy to study and put forth the effort to have earned the job the right way!! Shame on you!!!!

  • @alexmartinengo
    @alexmartinengo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    25 second to ignore stick shaker, whoa, maybe they were sleeping?