As a 33 year old married guy, I envy my wife (34). She has no clue about the culture war or any of it. She’s not on social media. The only TH-cam videos she watches are crochet tutorials and cat videos. She never watches or listens to the news. She’s the happiest person I know.
She goes to the grocery store? Her feet touch grass. My wife is terminally ill, hasn’t left the house in years and just watching a commercial shows how much we have devolved as a species. Easy times breed weak men.
@@ramontavaresdacruz2256 what if the music writers get worse too, which I’d argue. Edit: perhaps worse isn’t the right word, perhaps a better description would be that mainstream music has become more homogenized.
Pro writing tip: Try getting somebody to act out the dialogue with you. If it's too embarrassing for you to do it, you probably shouldn't ask the actors, either.
@@MadDogSolo no 3 and 4 had demons and aliens and super powers their just better nomatter how bad the games were then the recent one yeah but 3 and 4 just are stronger it isn't Chad is stronger it's who is stronger is stronger
My favorite joke in borderlands 3 is simply reading “coolant” and “heatant” on the pipes in the main ship. That made me laugh more than any joke in the game.
I wish I had noticed this so I could have had a laugh as well. I played through once because the level of cringe almost tanked the experience entirely. As some who purchased the first 2 on multiple platforms I find it insane that I can't even bring myself to play again, even if just to try out the other classes.
@@JB-md7db I completely understand lol the dialogue is butt most of the time but it’s just so fun to play imo, the gunplay feels GREAT. I think you should try it again! I picked Zane the first time but Moze is super fun with her mech.
Kind of related, but the one and only thing I truly enjoyed/laughed at during the movie Sausage Party was all the creative made-up products on the shelves in the background of every scene .
It’s like having Easter every single day, non-stop, eggs being filled everywhere you look, it’s been said on a children’s book I forgot the name of, where the moral was, “If you have Christmas everyday, then it becomes less special, and just becomes another day”
I think it is just what happened to spoof movies. If you watch Airplane and Scary Movie, it is filled with pop culture references, but they were all used as a joke or to make fun of what they were referencing. But if you watch the later spoof movies, before the genre died, such as Disaster Movie. The joke is the reference, like no reference ever adds anything to the story or even is written as a joke or parody. It is all just, remember this? I think the same thing happened, they wrote a quirky and quick-witted character that made pop culture references and people liked it. And then, other media started doing the same. Copying the same character, just every single time they did, they made the character less interesting and shallower. Now, it is everywhere, these shallow characters that they all just want to act cool and make pop culture references. But there is nothing to the reference, nor the character. Writers are just lazy and think that just making a pop culture reference is enough, for people to like their characters.
“Nerd was a subculture. A label others would put unto you. It was not something anyone aspired to be.” This is so correct. Nerd has been taken by those that used to bully actual nerds, to now get brownie points on social media and likes on IG and TH-cam. They put the label on themselves and call themselves super fans of something despite only having bought some Guardians of the Galaxy funko pops a month ago. They love Star Wars.. but then say constantly it’s just space wizards with laser swords and the Anakin exploded “a Death Star”. Because obviously they love it in a self aware ironic way… The most bizarre still is they are the ones getting the jobs by faking this. Not the real fans and actual nerds..
Yea that’s why real Nerds dont run around wearing merch of Comic books. They learned the hard way that people bully you for that stuff. They were invited to jailbreak someones iPhone or to do the PowerPoint but that’s it. The modern Nerd is just something that’s made up by Marketing guys to Sell merch.
@@Bearhuggerus Literally the millennials way of thinking compared to everyone else. Safe to look at and unoffensive to those who wish to see. 40K, Gundam, hell even some late 70s - early 90s toys takes those risks of (in the public eye) being nerdy/weird/graphic/geeky/or over the top, like how most identifiable undying media is. Meanwhile funko pops are so bland and featureless, they blend in with any form of background and setting. A literal NPC level of detail; same pose, same eyes, and same level of design.
I own like 4 funko pops, 3 of of them were gifts. I don’t go out of my way to collect them because they just look so low quality and stupid, and overpriced. there are so many better collectibles and figures to buy.
No way, bro. Imagine how much cooler the Elden Ring intro would be if the narrator bumped the mic, or paused to go get his hot pocket from the microwave and burned himself, or hit a bong at the start and coughed sporadically throughout the narration. That would be so relatable.
Modern Star Wars does this 24/7 and I hate it, Imagine if instead of Luke screaming "no! its not true!" to Vader claiming to be his father, C3P0 just butted into the scene with a cheesy one liner.
@@whiskeysour1179 This actually worked with other games like The Bard's Tale. But that was a fantasy parody game. It was doing it on purpose and that gave the game it's tone. But this modern writers saw stuff like that and thought it is unique and quirky.
In MGS4 if you kill enough soldiers you make Old Snake get a flash back of Liquid Snake telling him that he enjoys killing, you puke, and lose 25% of your stamina as you get PTSD. In The Last Of Us 2 you kill a dog and later find out it played fetch and feel sad. Also it's message that "Revenge is Bad" seems to hold no weight as the game made you kill a mountain of people just to let the final boss live.
For TLOU2 is that they FORCE you to kill the dog. You don't kill it because it's the easier way, the other option being harder/longer blablabla...no they make you kill the dog and then go "Look at what you did!" later. Didn't feel guilty as the devs were the killers.
You didn't kill a mountain of people in TLOU2. Ellie did. You may control her through her journey, but she is not a player avatar, she is a character in her own right with her own personality, likes, dislikes, goals and emotions. The game is you following HER journey, not yours, that tells HER story, not yours.
@@goodbuddy7607 sorry i killed seven people im such a scorpio UWU 😜😜😜😜 😋😫😫😫😫😛😛😛😛!! im such a quirky chungus O M G L M F A O S T D O S! 😎😎😎😎😎😎 but how can i be as quirky as benito mussolini though 😭😭😭😿😿😿😿😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Thank you lol, the whole “you’re trying to write cool people but you’re not even cool yourself” bit was throwing me off. Plenty of great writers who make cool characters are often not the epitome of cool themselves and that’s probably what makes it work.
The problem is the writers' only writing experience is making comments on gaming subreddits, which is why all of the dialogue sounds like throwaway jokes made for karma.
These are the people who are so afraid you'll miss their joke, that they tell it over and over again. So playing their games feels like that uncomfortable conversation you can't leave, because the other person won't stop talking.
They aren't Steve Buscemi pretending to be a student, they're wearing a t-shirt with Steve Buscemi pretending to be a student on it and they think it makes them hilarious.
Omg I was thinking of that whole meme too! I was thinking that, instead of it being obvious satire, they think it's actually cool. I love your reference though, it's so apt! Haha
It's like the reverse of Big Bang Theory. Uncool people writing "cool" characters in games while "cool" people write the nerd dialogue in big bang, with neither grasping the other's culture
Velma is literally the pinnacle of the point being made here. It’s so terrible and so maxed out of this kind of writing that literally EVERYONE, right or left, guy or girl, black or white, whatever, we all agree it’s terrible. It kind of gives me hope. Like we’ve pushed so hard on both sides of everything that we’re all exhausted and just want to chill out.
Well I kind of wonder if some stuff is just bad on purpose for the attention. Apparently Scooby Doo spin offs are released every few years and Velma is the only recent one I know about because my youtube feed is nothing but people ragging on it. Being notoriously bad is probably a lot better than never being heard of. I wonder how many hate watchers these shows get.
Honestly a lot of the popular examples, to me at least, feel like corps wanting to push a writing style that they *think* younger generations will be with, without understanding like the intricacies of when/why certain kinds of arguments are said. Like it's not that every point or weird argument or twitter slang is just nonsense, but I don't think wheoever is pushing/funding a lot of these shows and media understand the difference
Part of it extends from just trying to appeal to "diverse" audiences. I have no idea what the composition of the writing room looks like, and I will not speculate. However, it very clearly was made to appeal to the people who do the fucking clap emojis while saying "we need a $25 an hour minimum wage, now."
@@SirProdigle *ding ding ding* The people in these writing rooms, almost certainly, have connections and inroads into them. Relatives that work in the industry, went to the same fraternities/sororities as the people who are related to said people. This isn't inherently bad, and we need to start admitting that we would do the same thing if we could, however when higher ups give these people a directive to appeal to a young, hip demographic, they are at a loss. They just make Poochie.
I feel like the main issue is they are trying to use the sense of humor of middle and high school kids but they fail to take in to account that middle and high school kids sense of humor is moronic and phases out of style in a matter of weeks
Makes no sense either. Why wouldn't you just use a relevant humor? Even if it's not what the kids are doing and it's actually funny to adults. You'd at least appeal to some ppl.
@Marcus Vincent I think a big part of it is also the same reason other reboots or sequels to comedic media recently have had this same issue, that being that the writers saw people talking about how funny the humor of the previous entries were, saw that there were a lot of puns, references, sarcasm, and witicisms, and decided without looking into it any further or thinking any more about it that that must be all there is to the success of those entries and so that's the extent of the humor they use.
That and half us are anywhere from 25 to 45 in terms of at least half the gaming population and we have grown out of those stages yet the makers of the franchises and games we like haven't seemed to evolve in terms of humor.
You know they fucked up the writing when they CONSTANTLY give you long ass diatribes from other characters via holo call that last so long you almost always reach the entrance into the next zone before they finish so you're left standing in front of a door as if you give a shit or just in case you need to pay attention to the one piece of important info in the sea of lawl randumb.
The issue with “nerd culture” becoming popular is that these “nerds” just substitute pop-culture references and mindless consumption for an actual personality.
like porn, it's anyone that adopts a pair of clark kent classes. Few recall the hierarchy of nerds, geeks, dweebs, doofuses.. They hold no individual meaning in this era.
I can't even have a discussion about games with a lot of people who identify themselves as "gamers" and "nerds" nowadays. As soon as you get into it, they go cross eyed and do a 180. 😂 yeah...."nerd"
@@warp871certain series are my focus and in my knowledge pool. I do not even attempt to know about FPS or fighting games other than I played a few of the old arcade made into console games like MK, M vs C II, and primal rage. These days SSB is about as deep as I go into fighting games and by most long term fighter gamers consider it a party game, which is fair.
I'm a millennial nerd myself, but I don't show it to people not interested. If they open up on nerdy things, I'm on, but to pushed it to someone or to separate nerd from normal people is stupid. Being a nerd for me is just a sub-class, the moment you think it's your main class you're screwed.
yeah and i feel the same thing about the first two games, they're objects of that time, if you go in those games without the nostalgia glasses you gonna cringe as hard as you cringe in Borderlands 3, they just told the people to write the same type of dialogs, and this doesn't work anymore
@@justanidiotmk2749 it is... A lot of the people working on saints row (and handling their Twitter, look it up) are in their early 20s... It's 2023... So what does that make them?? Lol sad how you need to be talked to like a 5 yr old
As a millennial (34) I think social media is the main culprit. People become addicted to social media and so start thinking like this. On the other hand, because of social media, people who are thinking like this get elevated and heard more and look like more of a majority than they really are. There's obviously a lot more to the problem than that, I just think that's a central part of what makes the problem get worse and worse.
@@amadeusakreveusmusic3356 i dont know man i think spending a lot of time on Social Media is very unhealthy for your mind in General. And those are the Main people that Post Shit there. So there is a high propability that some one that posts stuff on Social Media is at a mental disadvantage to a person that doesnt Post stuff there. There might be some people that are immune to that damage like some people can smoke for ages without hard consequenzes but Most people dont.
"Out-of-touch" -- these are people with jobs writing video games that live in the wealthiest areas of the country and surround themselves with only like-minded people. It's beyond out-of-touch, they're not living on the same planet.
@@MalekitGJ how does that challenge their views lol someone else being even less wealthy doesn't make you wealthy. The writers live in the wealthiest areas of the country but barely get paid enough to rent their parents' guest room and buy instant ramen packets from the gas station. Not exactly living large
I feel like the show Velma is a great example of this, it’s more of people stereotyping younger generations, to appeal to more younger generations, and failing terribly.
@sonic-templeoselma becomes so much more easier to understand when you understand that the "Mystery gang but in high school and with a focus on Velma's story!" is just a mask hinding the true plot of the show: Mindi's self-insert solves crimes while being extremely unlikeable because the writters aren't out of touch with modern culture but out of touch with humanity altogether, apperantly It's not a genuine prequel to Scooby Doo, it's Mindy's fanfic given big-time budgeting.
Communism has never existed on this planet. Closest you get is certain native American tribes. If you're talking about the Soviet Union they were a dictatorship propped up by a single source economy. Calling the Soviet union 'communist' is like calling North Korea a democratic republic because it has those words in its official name. Calling themselves communist was purely propaganda meant to appeal to those on the far left. Those on the far right latched on to this as well as propaganda to villainize and attack.
I dont know man if i Look at history books capitalist systems also faild quite hard and i cant say any system we currently have realy works. I guess we’ll have to come up with something different or a mix.
@@Crowdfresserthey all fail because of greedy and/or evil people. There is no fool proof economy in a world where those people exist. The difference is, when communism fails, it’s so much worse than capitalism failing would ever be. Capitalism, with all of its flaws, is still, and always will be, the better option.
@@Crowdfresser yea capitalist systems have failed but if you look at the out comes of capitalist systems on average and the out comes of communist one there is a clear difference just compare the Soviet Union or China or North Korea or Laos or Cuba or Vietnam as compared to the US or UK or Germany or Finland or Norway or France not saying all capitalist countries are perfect but I’ll take them over any communist country
@@No-one1650 but they didnt just fail because they were communist, they had a lot of other disadvantages. I also dont know the outcome of current capitalist behavior. Companys poisen us just to make a profit. Ressources get wasted by producing stuff that breaks within a Short time so they can Sell you more. People earn Lots of Money selling weapons so they got a vested Interest that war keeps happening. In Capitalism on Avarage you earn less the more you contribute to the wealth of Society.
I think its just a section of millenials that were always going to have a problem when people moved on from paying attention to them on social bubbles. As the man said, 'people who already have a high opinion of their opinion'. They're loud and vulnerable.
@@swilson5320 Dude for real I'm getting super tired of culture war bullshit and people whining about their first world problems in like hour long video essays and on twitter about representation in their videos games and the writing not being deep enough. Like holy shit do you actually have so few problems this is what you sink your time into talking about?
@@taylrthegreat Yeah man it takes concentrated effort to not slip and fall into a lot of boomery. That's where your brain naturally wants to go and you have to take time out of your day to make a point of pulling yourself out of certain mental swamps that just happen as you get used to "how things should be". You start accepting the status quo and resenting the next generation for pointing out things you didn't get right or figure out. The young are there to make change in society and push the status quo forward the old are there to guide and help them achieve the better future we're too jaded to be able to see. I feel like millenials as a generation are getting to that stage in life where you realize you make a big switch to giving wisdom instead of receiving it which is a weird precipice to be at. I just hope we're kinder to the generation after us than the one before us was to us
I played Borderlands 3 with friends. We enjoyed the gameplay. We even enjoyed some of the story and comedy. We hated the main villains and Ava. All three felt like Creator's Pets. They gave the villains what felt like forced wins that didn't feel earned. We all hated Ava from moment one, but then her actions got Maya, a character we all liked, killed. This is followed by a scene where Ava yells at Lilith and one of my friends just started shooting her in the face telling her to shut up. And what's weird is the game acts like Ava grew, but we never saw it. Suddenly people start acting like she grew as a person and fighter. Did they cut some content? Cause she was still the annoying brat that managed to get one of the most powerful people in the universe killed by being dumb.
I'll be real that was kind of the point of the twins. We weren't supposed to hate them because they were just doing bad things but hate the portrayal of their character as well. So if you hated them and cringed at the stereotypical millennial behavior then good. Ava though....there was no hope for that.
If you've seen the deleted scenes they had some legit story elements where Ava did grow. Why they didn't include it idk, but I don't blame the writers here because they had a script in mind. It just sucks the publishers don't care if the game can't be done on time
Not to mention that the writers missed a huge opportunity to make Troy a much better character of having him kill Tyrene and taking her powers for himself. Would’ve been a really cool addition to the story. Ava though, yeah no hope there
Most of the gameplay was nearly identical to the earlier Borderlands games. And, yeah, the writers were definitely sniffing their own farts when it came to Ava and the streamer twin villains. Some much of the writing was awful. Killing off Maya was terrible - it felt like they were following a checklist to kill off a character from the previous game like what happened to Roland, without any of his death's heroism or emotional payoff. Ava was genuinely unlikable, and honestly she never got less so.
Too much forced grrrll power, wannabe handsome jack endless irrelevant monologues and not enough corporate dystopia and pandora psycho gags which was the appeal and humor of the originals
The thing about the Halo Infinite community manager is that he made that poll ironically, trying to mock the games audience. This is the type of ironic humour you'd typically see on gamingcirclejerk, and much of it originated from there. The funny part is that the users on there didn't even see the irony and just screenshotted the post, roasting him as if he were serious.
"You can't explore a concept of 'oh look how edgy we are' when you know they're never gonna go anywhere near the actual edge they feel that is edgey." Asmon hit it right on the head with this one.
The most aggravating part I find in this type of writing is the destruction of old characters. Former relatable or strong characters are either thrown aside or deliberately smeared/degraded to be replaced with the writer's shiny new OC, often resulting in very unsatisfying resolutions for well loved characters and major continuity errors in the plot and setting.
@@A-wy5zm because if you're in a team that cares, these people stand out like a sore thumb and ruin the social and collaborative environment. If your team is full of these types the team wont exist for long and will go through endless restructuring. There is a balance between the self and the team, but the balance described here is off
@@A-wy5zmthese games only sell because they were preceeded by well written good games, therefore the company has a reputation already and doesnt have to try. Hence triple A games mostly sucking but they still sell
Political and social commentary is like CGI in movies or TV. When it's good, it's barely noticeable, but when it's bad, it's glaringly obvious. Also, I have a feeling that the reason a lot of these millennial writers get so condescending in their dialogue is because their favorite college professors were condescending and that's who they look up to.
As a millennial I find it odd because we were taught to be skeptical and to form our own opinions as opposed to blindly following what some guy thinks.
@@ExarchGaming Homie, you're talking about pop-culture/mainstream here. 2ndly, Education is opinion. Idk how long it has been since you been in school, but history is taught in a way that teaches you how to correlate data, interpret them and string together narratives to make sense of things (though, US education does suuck a lot and is statee dependend). What you are seeing now is the inability of people to properly understand the world because they stopped studying new things that aren't related to their interests or job dependent, and those that try to study new stuff often times completely forgot or never understood how to properly study. Like, there is a reason High school teach you only thee easiest form of scientific writing and despite this most still fuck it up beyond comprehension... If you knew anything about education (which you should since your talking about the problems of studying (not learning, learning and studying mean different things)) than you should inherently understand that knowledge is interpretive, which is why we developed the scientific method to agree on an interpretation collectively. AGREE on AN INTERPRETATION. This is what we call the peer-review process. In order to change your knowledge you need to challenge the academic notions in accordance with scientific approaches. This is why you have no idea what you are talking about, because you only ever learned the condensed versions of highly complicated subjects to help you understand you own cognitive biases and how to avoid them. Right now, you're just talking about pop-culture. I'd make a metaphor: You are the 21 century internet soccer mom and baseball dads. Y'all don't know what you are talking about, y'all keep making up dumbass theories and y'all act just as arrogantly in your opinions because your opinions are somehow related to your self-worth or some shit, idk? Like prove someone wrong and they get as mad as if you insulted some dudes favorite football team or some shit.
@@luvhair255 It's always the teacher. It's only over time (over the course of your life) where you begin to challenge the knowledge taught to you by your elders. All our knowledge is born this way, even yours. We learn from those who came before, then we challenge those who taught us, and then we learn a little bit more about our species in the progress.
I am 36. A lot of millenials hate this too, but most stopped caring. I don't have the time anymore to care. And i won't waste energy to care. I simply ignore it nowadays.
“A colosseum where all these college kids try to kill each other and if you kill someone you get your loans forgiven” That’s a weird way to describe college football
It’s funny to me. The line “be better” is so much stronger in GOW where we have a man trying to better himself from a past that was quite vile. In most games, the line just comes off as obnoxious.
In GOW being told to be better feels like someone wants the best for your well being, while at the same time its a line with a lot of depth and meaning to the main protagonists... In Borderlands being told to be better feels like your boss trying to make you feel like shit because he will not have a bonus paycheck at the end of the year because of your bad performance...
That's because in GOW your character is actually trying better himself, while in vast majority of other games and media it's just "be better how i want you to be because you have to have the same morality as i do and agree 100% with my twisted worldview based on fake feelings baked into me by manipulative social media clout chasers and teachers"
Bruh thing is they tried to match the times without considering that the times are always changing, which is why you have to make something that is timeless. Trying to match the times dates you to that period instead of becoming something memorable and perpetual
A good example of the contrast between these writing styles is the Rings of Power vs Tolkien's story of Numenor. In the Rings of Power, Numenor doesn't like Elves (and don't want them to move to their island) because they work too hard and they are going to take Numenorean jobs; a very 21st century, American, and boring political message that isn't explored further than that. In Tolkien's writings, Numenor comes to be jealous of the immortality of Elves. They are corrupted from within by an imprisoned Sauron, who convinced the dying king that they could find immortality by attacking the undying lands (essentially heaven). This is a universal and timeless story about man's mortality, fear of death, and his ability to be corrupted; as well as his immense strength and bravery, considering that they previously defeated Sauron multiple times at the height of his power and took him prisoner.
exactly. the scale in modern day writing is too small. They need to tackle greater parts of the human experience that transcend time and don't become dated within a year. Like existential questions. Everything Everywhere all at once is a great example that milenials can tackle these greater subjects in a new millennial style without it feeling cringe, condescending, or on the nose. They just need to get off of twitter and look to things outside of themselves.
@@yum8666 I just watched that recently and loved it. It’s the weirdest movie I’ve ever seen, but I really liked the core message. I took it as an antidote to nihilism, and probably social media (seeing everything, from everywhere, all the time) but choosing to be present with the people around you. So, it was both hyper relevant to today, while exploring something timeless and human.
@mikuhuntu4xbot228boring political message because Elves are inmortal meaning their work is almost like a "god like creation" MEANING people from Numenor and humans can never buy nothing from them because the price Like literally is the stupid concept Ever the Witcher books about racism and etnic cleaning IS literally better than what writers of RINGS pull off
Some things I've identified as Millennial writing: -Self referential -Excessively self aware -Irony over the situation -Constant and active observation of external forces being emphasized in each conversation
You need to add in an unwillingness to tolerate 'tropes', except for their self-insert personality quirks which are totally not tropes to themselves. A perpetual revolution against characters and Ideas that aren't theirs.
The point about Nerds today being linked to consumption is so true. I've been into Warhammer 40k for over 20 years now, everyone has loved sharing pictures of models they've made themselves or painted, but in recent years there's a subset of 40k fans who buy a huge amount of models and post pictures of the boxes, not having even assembled the models they just post the unopened boxes, it's utterly insufferable
What’s so bad about them keeping how they assemble and paint their models so secret? I’m new to painting and assembling minis, and I understand why new people wouldn’t want to post them online.
I don't post anything to any social whatsoever, so I'm playing devil's advocate, but I'd rather die than post my assembled minis because they fuckin' suck, lmao.
A very important point that I've read before is that most classic and revered games were made by people who grew up living in the real world and having real experiences, most modern games are made by people who grew up only playing video games and it shows.
Willow, the new fantasy TV series, had this exact problem. "Hey you! So we're getting married tomorrow. weird huh?" Thank you, uncompelling "strong" female character for your brilliant modern twitter dialogue in a medieval fantasy setting.
@@ha-kh7ef The movie is a timeless classic that still appeals to young and old alike, and so people were expecting a show just as good, not the cringefest they got.
No, I don't. Most stories, whether they intend to or not ,seek to spread a moral, philosophical or political agenda. Even a simple Mario game spreads a message of helping others and having fun.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355The fact you can't see the difference between a basic moral idea like that, and spreading modern political talking points is why this hobby should've been gatekept harder.
100% true; I call this Nickelodeon dialogue. Some very rare writers like Joss Whedon are able to make it work in a top tier fashion and end up making it popular ... I mean, the entire pattern was really just blasted through our culture via content like Buffy and Avengers. However, everyone else who tries to ape this style just create disaster writing.
I noticed this around 2010 and couldn't put my finger in why most media made me cringe and angry when watching it. I was a 9 year old boy back then but even I was able to pick up on this garbage
Most of these devs and writers probably haven't even experienced the trials and tribulations they are crying about in games. The reason Tolkien's works will be immortalized are because he lived through and participated in the struggles he writes about. Industrialization, the horrors of WW1, etc. All the themes in the stories ring true with the majority of the world population in some way or another.
Well said. Also, absolutely accurate. Love this video, love the original author of that video, I'm grateful for they both denouncing these abominable realities, which are not less true because they are horrible. BTW: The writing in Hogwarts Legacy is really good, it's just a good game, with excellent voice acting, no matter what haters say.
That is why the writters of the Saints Row reboot failed so hard, they cannot write gangster characters. Rockstar actually had people that were part of this underbelly of society giving them material for inspiration, what does the Saints Row 2022 devs had? A bunch of privileged college kids writting self inserts.
This is why I always encourage Black and Hispanic people to get into gane developing. When the industry is predominantly white and male, the delivery is always going to be corny if it's not about dungeons and dragons.
Are you saying people need to experience horrible things to be able to show them? Thats really going to minimize the available pool of devs and writers.
@@Chris-ks4sw No, I'm just saying its much more effective to write about something you've experienced firsthand, and the themes he expresses in the works can click with just about anyone in the world. It's not a targeted small audience he was appealing to.
Sanderson said that he could write characters more intelligent than him as he makes them able to react and think about the plot details he's creating. As a writer he has the luxury of knowing the future and so can make his characters more or less able to act wisely in respect to the plot.
The creator begets the creation. Many of us in the 40 and below, including myself (I’m 41), haven’t really lived all that interesting a life. We have a culture of infantilization. We aren’t given strong archetypes to model ourselves after. Our hormone levels are screwed up. So many factors result in people who can’t really write authentically interesting characters and stories. Even a buddy of mine who has his PhD in writing. He’s got this lame left winger perspective. What do you do with that?
@DeadManWalking I think that is happening too. Part of what I'm saying isn't to blame anyone but to be objective. Many of us in the western world have easy lives compared to all people, historically. Now throw in a lack of self awareness or development, indoctrination that happens in college, growing up with the internet and it's vapidness and its lack of space that cultivates authenticity, lack of deep friendships, and you don't have ingredients for good art, let alone writing.
Late night TV is the same way. I don't mind it that someone wants to express their views with their own creations. What drives me crazy is when those people feeling that urge co-opt something already created and well established. Just create your own!
in my opinion, the difference between politics in older games, and politics in newer gamer is that in newer games, they portray the message that their trying to convey as only having one solution; theirs. In older games, they understood that there was no single answer, and often times no RIGHT answer; and left it for the player to decide what was right in accordance to their own moral compass.
A good game has no politics. Because politics don't matter. Fastfoward 3000 years and nothing political mattered. What does matter is the human soul and the histiry forged from it. The essence of what we are never changes. Good storied are ones we can all relate to and understand as humans. Not because its pushing an agenda but because we are all human and we can all share the feeling of pain, anguish, joy, love and sorrow. A good story connects with you on a human level, not a political one
Older games' politics were timeless "political" topics. e.g. positives and negatives of an authoritarian regime. Older games asked the player a question. Newer games just insert whatever political topic is hot at the time and try to prescribe a right answer.
Tactics Ogre is a good example. In one situation one player's choice lead to a small town getting slaughtered while a creepy music plays. It is a solution but a controversial one
The worst part about badly written, shoehorned in social/political issues in games/media is that it almost always hurts whatever group you're trying to represent. Of course to avoid this, you have to be a good writer, which these people are not
bad writing comes from people trying to capitalize on a societal trend they don't personally have a deep understanding of. Actual progressives would write with more nuance.
@lberghaus Except they don't, I don't know what rock you've been hiding under the last decade or so lol. It's all garbage, even the better stuff is excruciatingly mediocre.
@@Let_The_Foolish_Take_The_Lead I remember earnestly asking someone for a really good progressive figure to draw inspiration from and people were saying that if you pick a black man don't pick a colonized uncle Tom go with someone like Franz Fanon. When I tried to read him he opened up with a quote by Karl Marx, a white man.
Dude borderlands is the perfect example. The writing in borderlands 2 was some of the best. Then 3 made me wish I was Helen Keller all due to the writing. It unforgivable and borderlands was one of my favorite series.
@@TheBottleneckedGamer I'm pretty sure it would be a great game if you were Helen Keller. Idk how anyone could make you do something you can't physically do.
"If i see someone collects a lot of anime figures, i assume he likes a lot of anime, if i see someone who collects a lot of funko pops, i assume his wife is sleeping with someone else" - Some random guy on the Internet
my rule of thumb for character writing: get the character as a person down pat, how they talk, act, their personality traits and background. after you get that done, then you weave thematic elements into the character. this really helps me avoid making caricatures/authorial mouthpieces when i'm writing a story. make them a person that can actually exist first, a narrative tool second.
I feel like you can always tell when writers think of a narrative tool and then create a character around that narrative tool because everything about the character seems forced. I personally struggled with this in my first couple of scripts and stories, until I finally started to essentially do what you do. I always create the setting first, motivations second, and then from those two things, the characters personalities, and lastly thematic elements. Just like real life, we are who we are because of the circumstances we grew up in, which shaped are beliefs, values, biases, and motivations which in turn led to our personalities.
@@budthecyborg4575 not necessarily just acting, character in a narrative that are written well have a fundemental belief system and behavioral set. in my favorite game, pathologic 2, every notable character has something to gain and their own belief systems to push, and it makes the game compelling as a narrative.
@@MajinRixch hey that’s how I generally write too. *Most* characters end up appearing in my stories as a result of the setting and not really the plot, but I feel like that’s partly because I just enjoy world building a lot.
Imagine that... develop the character and then that character should respond genuinely in response to the world and conflict around them. . I wish more writers understood this EXTREMELY SIMPLE concept. There are poorly written characters, and then even worse imo, there are characters that break their persona to insert some kind of narrative from the writer. It's so obvious to anyone paying remote attention, and I instantly lose any type of connection/understanding I might have made with the character.
yeah, we aren't born with complicated world views. Same way goes for making a believable character. Obviously you'll still have an idea or a purpose for the character existing in the first place , which could be, say, that they're an anti-capitalist.
This! Your generation has grown up enough to have full time jobs now, and this is what was prevalent for many years, so that is what their comedy and writing style is mirrored from. I am 40 and mine is based around Dumb and Dumber and that era, movies for many years had that style of comedy. The the generation behind me was the Seth Rogan style, now the next gen is this style. It will always be this way, and people outside of that range and time will hate it.
@@ravenburns6600Its not about hating dumb and dumber tho? He's making a point about how due to its popularity, films that came after it followed its tropes and thus becoming oversaturated and cringe
I'm a 34 yr old indie developer who just found your videos and I gotta say, this is the most useful and true video I've seen in a long while. Everyone our age is a fucking loser
A major issue with today's society is that a lot of people seem to think the world needs to approve of them. I remember growing up and being told that the only person that needed to approve of me, was me. But seeking approbation from the masses? As if I should care what other people think of me? You're never going to get everyone to even like you, so if you think people are going to call you what you tell them to, act like you tell them to, and follow your directions? No, it just won't happen. Doing so just makes your own insecurity all the more apparent.
it's the social media acceptance and the quest for likes; find your niche and go bonkers = likes, or don't take risks and try to please everyone = likes. older gens being anti-establishment etc was cool, nowadays conformity is cool. it's fascinating
That's bad advice though. You should care very much about how people and your society regard you. Its called reputation. You'll never own a house without one.
@@calculator91 both of you are right, however there is a balance, obviously caring for your own looks to the point where you have to take a microscope to inspect every single negative aspect society finds wrong to eradicate it is wrong, and will make plastic people who simply “go with the flow”, becoming another leaf in the wind, however this does not simply mean one could run around like a nudist on doomsday or to scream bomb on a plane, there is a balance for everything
@@calculator91 There's a difference between reputation and accepting whatever "society" tells you. To paraphrase Men in Black, individuals are smart, the masses are dumb. And you can own whatever you want without kowtowing to the masses, at least for now. I don't need to put prescribed phrases in my bio or toe the party line to have a good credit score. The affection of the masses is fleeting and often not worth the effort of winning.
@@AlexanderBC42 nepotism will always be around , the problem is they usually would give them behind the scenes type of jobs not something big like lead writer lol
@@F4c2a Which is made more annoying by the fact that they do this at the expense of the important messages the original writer already wrote into their work XD
The Joss Wedon quote "make it dark, make it grim, then for the love of God tell a joke" reminds me of a much better way of looking at it and quote from one of the Expendable movies. "We keep it light until it's time to get dark. Then we get pitch black." The serious moments hit way harder when you keep it light up until those moments. Doing it the other way around just undercuts the serious moments.
Arguably this is what made many of the early Marvel'verse enjoyable. It was fun/funny for most part but took serious moments seriously, maybe a possible quip from some character do it was more in their nature (and sometimes in bad times its best to still retain a degree of sense of humor).
So many millennial writers seem to take that Joss Whedon quote and run like it’s gospel without realizing that Joss Whedon was actually a talented director who knew how to manage the tone of a film.
I agree completely. Games are an ESCAPE from reality, not an alternate form of being fed the same shit we already experience. I'm all for people making games specifically catered to one group or the other but I don't like when they ruin existing franchises to try being trendy.
Invader Zim was kinda funny ngl, I mean there was an episode where Zim put his nemesis into a lifetime simulation where he accomplished his dreams, only to take him out at the end and hit him with a cupcake as revenge.
There's always an exception. Though, I do have my gripes with Guts, to be honest. Mainly his enormous hunk of metal of a weapon, but that's not really related to his character itself.
You do know that that is wrong. It is just a meme in the Berserk Community why his chapters took so long. Truth was that at one point when he took a break he also mentioned he brought the new Idol Master.
If you notice, a lot of Japanese games feel kinda timeless.. they seem to actually try to stay far from “ trends” but rather general concepts of life..and character struggles. The only thing that really dates a Japanese game is the technology of that time (alike a phone ), but I played a game]] that’s 10 years old, and I had no idea.. I thought it was released this year. That’s good writing. Meta humor was killed by Deadpool. And apathetic writing is why writing is absolute crap
I'm not a weeb but this writing is so bad I watch anime now because its just what its supposed to be, entertainment. Millenials think kids shows need mature story's with messages and meaning while they ham fist their personal opinions in a kids cartoon.
Definitely. I'm 42, and i still feel like 1990 was 10 years ago, i feel like yesterday i turned 20. Until i go to do something and completely forget, or my knees pop or whatever... BUT. The worst part of realizing that I'm not that young anymore, is how embarrassing this zoomer humor is. I started to loathe certain things about the internet way back, and it only got worse over time. "Entertainment" today reflects too much of the internet upbringing and all the bad things that came with it. This is why i love Japan, they're not on the zoomer millennial bandwagon pushing "nerd culture" and saying "yolo" and creating godawful atrocities like velma. They're the only place left for quality entertainment, and they tried to do American entertainment back in the 360 days, and they learned that it doesn't work. They know better. They do their own thing and right now i appreciate it more than i ever have in my life.
@@Oh-Ben liking anime doesn't make you a weeb. A japanese person can like a bunch of western stuff before being called a westaboo but for some reason if you like 1 thing japanese outside of sushi and cars then they call you a weeb. But yeah everything else is accurate.
@@Oh-Ben So just like anime? If you think Japanese writers don't put their own opinions or views into their work you're delusional. And since when is kid entertainment not about messenges?
Compare this to older games like, maybe try Ratchet Deadlocked. I specifically cite that game because it's one of the earlier games that just couldn't stop talking shit. It has a lot of stuff they go off saying that is really condescending, but it actually fit in that game because it 1. Was all directed at Ratchet, the character who the player is supposed to identify with. And, 2. It was pushing an actual point and tone for the game. The point in Ratchet Deadlocked was, ironically enough, the idea that the media has an agenda to push and they will slander and smear you with everything they've got, in a completely unfair way at every turn, making shit up when they can't twist events that have happened, and they are not your friends on any level. And everyone knows it's true, and they did it in a "show" not "tell" sort of way. And it especially fit here, because the media in this case was unambiguously in service to the bad guy from the beginning.
Joss Whedon is chiefly responsible for all the "quirky" characteristics found in lots of video games and other media. Like I saw this meme that was like if Joss Whedon wrote Dark Souls he'd have the unkindled one say "whoa buddy, are going hollow? You have a hollow-y type thingy going on." I will die on this hill, it's too accurate.
It got old 20+ years ago when Buffy was still new, but at least that show had some charm and at the time it was different. When so many TV shows and films use the same style of writing and dialog its just painful.
@@trolleriffic it's not even that the substance and delivery is bad most of the time, but not everyone talks like a generic Ubisoft game, relatable, hip, millennial protagonist with absolutely perfect timing, snappy one-liners, and means-tested catchphrases. There's a time and a place for that style of writing for sure, but I absolutely can't even begin to take most modern games seriously when most potential for growth or tension in conversation becomes overshadowed by yet another "awkwaaaaaaard" one-liner, comedy and quirkiness just for its own sake. It's like every game and movie now wants to be an Uncharted or Buffy without considering the character nuances, tone, and context that made those works stand out to begin with. Not every line of dialogue has to be a pre-researched and painstakingly fabricated quip. The way these writers try to add life and personality to their characters often backfires simply because, well, people just don't talk like that most of the time. Not saying everything has to be an improvised and raw emotion either. The new Spider-Man games are really good at getting you emotionally invested but people talk just a liiiiiiittle too artificially in those games to be believable in any meaningful sense. Just quips, banter, exposition for the most part.
With the difference that whadon has been mostly good in most of his works. His character still have deep and space for gravity. The problem is not him, but he establishing a successful way of doing something (dialogue that comes as fluent and funny) that everyone else is trying to imitate without knowing really what they are imitating. Its the standart in Hollywood anyway to have that actitude.
@@albertocruzado2899 Whedon's characters also frequently found themselves in very, VERY dire and/or tragic situations, which actually felt dire and tragic. The constant jokes felt more like characters using humor to try to cope after dealing with serious shit; they were a surface level to actually profound depths. Whereas something like Borderlands, IMHO, just feels flat. If the characters don't care about their situations and themselves, why should we?
This reminds me of the quote "The only story worth writing about is that of the heart at war with itself" These people have no inner conflict. They're completely sure they're right so much so that even explaining the problem is beneath them, so they're just vomiting's self-assured conclusions at you.
Thats a strong quote. Doubt and Struggle certainly create the experience to make proper stories. If you do neither, you have no journey, and the story will lack drive. Hm. I will use this quote to think in the future.
When he started talking about a game where a college student is broke and in debt, the first thing that came to my head was "didn't they do that in Sims 4?"
A Sims game is the best setting for that scenario, but they couldn't shoehorn their trigger words like "carbon footprint" into a game with no intelligible words.
As a 34 year old, you’re on point. These are people my age that went into creative writing & video game design and got positions. But were losers back in the 2000’s.
They're still way overpriced where I live, so for me it's kinda retarded. Then again I heard of 12/24 eggs being worth over ten dollars so maybe they aren't that bad
@@Garl_Vinland Tbh, yeah, in poor countries like mine it is primarily gen z and the tryhards of the millennial generation. Though idk, at first I saw how most were those born in say 95 and 99.
The best example of a modern game with the kind of writing these devs are trying to strive for is Hi-Fi Rush it's got all the charm and quirkiness these writers are trying to force into their games only difference is that these people actually care about and know what their doing and nothing comes off as forced or cringy.
Games always function as form of escapism to enter your imagine land when you have enough of real word and preaching about carbon footprint etc. nobody want to play animated copy of RL mixed with twitter dialogues and again be bombarded with all "issues" of the world. Also not everything must have depth and moral lesson or arc dealing with today problems, people love stupid fun without story like in old games.
i'm a millennial and sometimes i do catch myself talking like this, but hearing it parroted back in video games and movies is like nails on chalkboard. it's making me self conscious to the point that i consciously try to change the way i write and speak 😅
While I was fresh out of highschool, I would say "like" a lot. It was easy getting in that habit whenever I thought of the next words I would use during conversation. Never realizing that it only made me sound like a valley girl. It wasn't until an older guy I knew who ran the nearby deli mimicked my speech that I felt embarrassed and thought about my speech. So now all I do is simply pause before coming up with my next words. That is all. I then noticed other young people would speak the same way and I'd get second hand embarrassment along with the reminder of how I was
14:34 There would be a lot of overlap there. They smoke one blunt or take one mushroom-fueled trip, and next thing you know they think they’re enlightened and the messiah’s incarnation.
The thing is, its not that these people are trying to act younger than they are. They just never actually matured. They are being 100% authentic, but this is just who they are.
I'm a gen z who was far more mature than two of my millennial friends, and as a result, I was shoehorned into the role of couple's therapist for people 6 and 10 years older than I had been at the time of knowing them. I gave up on them when I developed the self awareness to realize they weren't my problem. Now, I'm not "mature for my age" or anything like that, I just happened to be more grown-up than the "grown-ups" at age 20, which is a serious problem. Both of them were creative-types as well, and their writing styles and characters were like something I'd expect to find in a middle school's trash bin. I would later meet other millennials in D&D groups, and they acted the same, if not worse due to a superiority complex, taking it as license to bully anybody younger than them for not doing something they wanted. Gen z is not by any means perfect, but I know far less people my age who still think and act like seventh graders. So you are absolutely correct, a lot millennials are just children who never grew up, but will complain incessantly about "having to grow up too fast."
@@augurypleasant4506 as an older zoomer myself (‘99 bday), well said my friend. we have our own problems due to our generation’s early overexposure to the internet, but at least we aren’t like most millenials - grown children who legitimately think they’re the smartest and most mature people in the room. this has unfortunately led to pop culture as a whole suffering due to their influence (the quality of movies and shows have also taken a dive due to other problems like bad writing)
@@Judasdfg first of all, generations are measured in 1.5 decade increments, not 1 decade (gen alpha is 2012-2025, gen z is 1997-2011, gen y/millennials are 1981-1996, gen x is 1965-1980, etc). second, gen y and millennials are the exact same thing; what you’re calling “gen y” is actually gen x (which is my mom’s generation as she was born in 1966). and lastly, even if all your claims were true i would still personally identify far more with zoomers than i would with millennials based on life experience alone. nice try, my guy
You’re proud of being the most mature person in a d&d group? Entering the work force is going to be a cold splash of water to your face. Get better friends and stop blaming the company you choose to keep for your failings.
The way you phrase this exactly explains why the end of RDR2 where you build the house is so satisfying. "You have a house John." "And so do you, Uncle" there was no snide remark at Uncle for a cheap laugh.
Nah bro they should’ve written “And so do you Uncle. SYKE GOTTEM!” that would’ve been so funny on god fr fr. And when Uncle got kidnapped by the Skinner gang, bro, some many fire joke opportunities and they missed them all. Nah bruh their writing ain’t it fam
I’ve noticed this especially after Forspoken and I’m getting sick and tired of it. I blame the MCU with Marvel humor and Joss Whedon( note I adore his past work like Buffy) for giving writers the signal that you need to be “quirky” in order to be enduring. No you don’t. Sometimes you can have a character be silent or stoic or chooses their words carefully. Isaac from the Dead Space remake is a good example. If I am postulate, I’d suspect this is a byproduct of writers either trying to act current or wanting to stand out. You know how you standout? Write a good story and characters. People individuals can get behind. They don’t have to be perfect, Walter White is a cool example, but they don’t need to be complete a holes either.
@@michaelknox3715 Yeah. I don’t want to pin everything on Marvel because Marvel humor in the early phases isn’t bad. The problem is when that humor creates bathos. The idea being that it is used to undercut a serious moment because the studio doesn’t trust the audience to accept a serious moment. Some of the more recent films have had this problem and it’s why I enjoyed a film like Civil War and Infinity War a lot because it had sparring humor and allowed the drama to fully sink in. Overall, genre and tone matter but I do think that the MCU helped indirectly proliferate a lot of bathos with humor. Contrast this with something like the Kung Fu Panda films( the first two) where the comedy was physical based or character but that never interfered with the drama or story.
I only rly saw Marvel humor in Forspoken in the quips. The writing seems to be played straight from where I'm on chapter 3. Frey's concept seems to be mega cynical orphan who shows her compassion for those like her. It also seems like ppl would've wanted Auden, a supporting character, to have been the protagonist if they weren't busy with cringing over Frey's dialogue. Granted, I never watched Marvel movies so I dont have a good image of it in my head.
@@DONWASABIJUAN The MCU I argue started off great in that it did something that we’ve seen briefly, a shared cinematic universe( monsters from universal) but did it well and naturally Hollywood tired to copy it because they want easy money. However when things get popular and a shared universe grows it can metastasize into something unforeseen. In Marvel’s case, it’s them needing everything to be interconnected no matter what and that quirky humor being their flagship. Even though the charm of the earlier phases was when crossovers happened , they meant something. The avengers assembling for the first time had a purpose. But you could argue a lot of this is also due to the novelty going away as well. Regardless, I do think with it stagnating and CB movies plateauing it’s opening an avenue for new content to rise. At least I hope. Variety is the spice of life and while I like CB movies I want them to be good and also have some other things.
As a 35 year old writer who was never cool, I'm glad I accepted that and never cared about being cool and did my own thing. I cringe when I write anything close to this. Also, I'm glad I have a fully functioning prefrontal cortex and realize the difference between IN WORLD politics and REAL WORLD politics.
Coolness is relative. I went to high school during the tail end of the edgy mall goth era. I was cool back then, because my interests aligned with the cultural conception of "coolness". Even a few years later, I would have been uncool or tryhard/cringe. I'm not cool anymore and that's okay.
@@A-wy5zm It's not that the game should be serious in tone it's that the characters in the story should care about what's happening if we're supposed to care too
@@A-wy5zm the first part: seems you didn't even played the previous titles. Doom part: the problem with your comparison is the focus. In Doom, the gratification is not the story nor any point based system, but the gore is the self-gratification. In BL? The plot. If the writing sucks, in a plot focused game, then guess what? the game will suck. At this point just make a new IP and go ballistic with your writing, but they won't do that, why? because they don't have faith in their own writing.
I saw an interesting video about how the entire gaming industry is controlled by people who come from money. People with accents indicating a lower economic class, or people who "dress poor" tend to get pushed out of big studios. So basically, you have a lot of fairly wealthy young people with limited experiences being put in charge of some of the most anticipated games in the entire world. So even in instances where you have cultural diversity in a game studio, you don't have any actual wealth disparity, so all of the people in the studio are most likely to be fairly well off millennials who grew up in a city, and those that aren't, regardless of how talented they may be, slowly get pushed out because they don't dress as nice, or talk as fancy as everyone else.
I'm 35, was homeschooled, and never popular. But, I can write a compelling narrative with likeable characters and interesting set pieces. The problem isn't the age of the writers, or their life experiences; the problem is that companies and corporations are demanding that "THE MESSAGE" be inserted into every aspect of the narrative from characters and dialogue, to plot and settings. It's extremely hard to write a good story when your employer is standing behind you with a separation notice at the ready while saying "Everything has to be gay, Marxist, Left Wing shit or you're going to flipping burgers for the rest of your life!" This corporate mentality has caused good writers to fall out of the industry, and hack writers to fill the vacuum left by those who were infinitely more talented than themselves.
The problem with references arises when they don't make sense in universe for the media its in. If a reference confuses someone who doesn't 'know' then its a bad, lazy reference. Usually, but not always, these references are added in for cheap nostalgia or to bring out some emotions to make up for a lazier / worse baseline for the media.
Like the game Smite. As much as I prefer the gameplay of Smite over League, Riot is still the slightly better company because they're not stupid enough to make Nickelodeon skins from tv shows that were cancelled over 15 years ago. If I wanted to play a game with dead shows, I'd go play some kind of Nickelodeon game they had like once or twice of PS2 or some shit. My generation of gaming is over. Doesn't mean I have to stop gaming. It means that gaming companies need to stop pandering to my generation. It's the era of the Zoomers and Alphas now. Every joke and pop culture reference should be made from THEIR generations, not mine. If I wanted pop culture from the Millennial gen, I'd just play old games. I'm currently running HP and the Chamber of Secrets, and would never want it remade fully. I just wish it was remastered, to be easier to play on new tech. I want the future of HP games to be what Hogwarts Legacy is doing. It's using lore that wasn't used in the original games, books, and movies, and then adding its own spin on it to modernize it more. Old shit should only be INSPIRATION for new. It shouldn't be constantly rebooted and remade over and over again, just copies of its older selves. Because I lived through the cringe of the 2000s, and it was fun! I used to completely say EPIC to everything, as well as YOLO and even SWAG sometimes. But seeing games trying to bring back that humor makes me want to hurl myself off a cliff
I think it is fine if it is used once or twice and for one character only. And only if that character grew up in that time (or is obsessive), to convey how obnoxious or idiotic that character is or to be lighthearted. But when every single character does this it makes me think I am seeing 20-30 of the same person (looking at you Marvel).
The consumers are also the problem too here. While your point is right in terms of the writing in games it also comes down to the actual games released. How many remakes re-releases or reboots of existing games have there been and how many fans of games call or want their favourite olds games to receive that treatment? The writing reflects this because the researchers and executives believe that that nostalgia aspect is important to pander to in many different ways.
@@vietnamesericefarmer2602 I agree but I think it depends on the game as well and how it is treated. For example the Dead Space remake. This remake took a 15 year old title (that I played a lot mind you) and gave it lots of visual and gameplay overhauls and generally made it better than the original. But then you have TLoU Remake that just took the visuals and did nothing else (and wasn’t that old to begin with).
I have heard this being thrown around a lot and I seriously doubt that you can just "fix" this by telling them to read books. There have likely been a lot of writers in the past that wrote horrible stuff. And if books are supposed to fix it then why are there also shitty writers in the older generations that grew up with books? I agree with Lil' Mint here that these people just don't have the passion for storytelling.
Millenials definitely did not grow up on social media. That would be Gen Z. Most millennials were already adults when social media was starting to come out.
@@acutelilmint8035 I hold a great passion for writing and can confirm, even if I am not the most well-versed on certain subjects, people still LIKE what I write (Adults and kids alike). IF you write with 0 passion, it shows, trust me.
Fallout 1-2 was packed full of pop-culture references, but it also had a carefully crafted world, thought-provoking lore and story, grey moral choices and meaningful, interesting characters and environment and atmosphere. It is a game that you can play through 27+ times over decades and it will still show you something new and cool. I miss games like that, and i think Skyrim was the last game similar to it, like 13 something years ago, plus Cyberpunk 2077 maybe borderline got there.
1 is so much better imo. 2's references kinda reminds me of modern games in the way a lot of the the references are just too much and often not funny or meaningful
So glad I started watching you & that I found this vid. I was curious about your channel after I noticed some people in the MHW subreddit trying to farm "Asmongold hate" because you were playing the game. I had no idea who you were, but my husband (a long time WoW player) knew who you were... so I decided to check you and form my own opinions.
An important detail that people forget is that this generation grew up on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon shows where they always had this kind of writing. Where the characters would be like "High five! Anyone? Oh, I guess you're gonna leave me hanging. I see how it is. This is awkward..." *laugh track*
@@cattysplat Tbf, back then you had to actually *wait* for your favorite show to come on. So there was literally nothing else to watch unless you had a DVD/VHS player and some movies to watch.
I have to disagree to that, because, yes, we did have those shows, but let's not forget the mass of shows that had more than just corny humor. Plenty of cartoons back then had really clever humor, touching moments, and fantastic writing; in their own right. Shows like Powerpuff Girls(earlier seasons), Dexter Laboratory(again, earlier seasons), Courage the Cowardly Dog, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Rugrats, Spongebog Squarepants(early seasons), Samurai Jack, Transformers: Beast Wars, ReBoot, and the list goes on and on. Let's not rag on old cartoons like they were only known for potty humor or cringe inducing dialogue, because, yes, we did have those, but I'd say they didn't reach the heights of the many MANY good cartoons that everyone holds dealing. And hell, even nowadays we still have some killer cartoons like Bojack Horseman, Owl House, Wonder Over Yander, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Infinity Train, Glitch Techs, to name a few. I wouldn't say just because we grew up with cartoons or even watch them still, there's not some of them that are done extremely well.
@@XDarkEcho they arent talking about cartoons they are talking about those cringy ass shows like life of charlie and jesse they were jammed full with corny ass dialogue
@@XDarkEcho oh my god, I can't believe you unironically just went "kids these days don't have good cartoons like we did" Like shut the fuck up. If I was a kid, I would hate you
@@boshwa20 I literally just said there ARE good cartoons out there. I don't watch them as much as I used to, obviously, being an adult and having my own responsibilities which take up my time to enjoy the things I used to enjoy. I've only seen some of these newer shows, thanks to my younger family members(Owl House being a show they watch prominently), and seeing there are still good and well developed kid shows out there. It's a fact, that cartoons haven't hit that stride, nowadays at least, on how great the Golden Age of cartoons were back in the 90s and early 2000s. In no way did I say, "Kids these days don't have good cartoons like us", because they DO have some of them that are good; I've just been unfortunate to see mainly the really bad ones(though, I suppose I'm just biased then).
22:25 We used to aspire to be the characters in our fiction and live up to their ideals, now we aspire to create characters that mirror us and tell us our shortcomings and flaws are fine.
I feel like that bad writing. I think there is some good self indulgence if it keeps good storytelling in mind. Like a lot of these games are just pitting themselves rather than actually writing a character that develops through a character arc and have them learn is great. Bioshock is political but the writers were actually cleaver and nuanced in writing to the story.
After seeing a game like Forspoken release I feel most people have been asking the question as to why writing feels the way it is these days, and this this video with Asmon’s perspective hit the nail on the head. Its not just video games but almost all forms of media that has been plagued by these writing decisions. As a millennial myself, it all to feels like we are a generation that was raised to be perpetual children to consume whatever is placed In front of us.
Did forspoken make that much money that you think millennials are just consuming whatever is in front of them? Your evidence doesn’t really support your claim in this case, but my claim would be that millennials are dumb as hell and provide counter evidence to their claim, which may actually be a valid claim if provided the right evidence.
@@Hypno_BPM thats is a thing only in the US where you have (or had) so much land and money that leaving the house at 18 made sense. Most other countries never had that kind of luxury and it has always been normal to stay with your parents for a longer time.
@@Hypno_BPM lol and why do you think that is? Our great grandparents, grandparents took our money from SSI along with the government. Every war paid for was payed for by the generation's to come and, it all came to a head during the millennials time. Each generation after us will continue to get poorer.
My brother in law works at pawn shop, and all he used to do was collect funkopops because he thought their value would go up and them being "collectors" items made them valuable. To the point he has an app on his phone that keeps track of the market/resell value. I took me like 5 minutes to talk him into buying gold and gold jewelry woth his money instead. All i basically said was "why would you trade paper money for plastic that deteriorates when you can trade your paper money for tangable gold currency at 20% store discount". The next time i saw him he had big gold watch on, a gold chain and some gold rings 😂 all he does is buy jewellery now. The funko pop thing is a disease man 😂
To be honest Tanis had INCREDIBLE backstory in b2 on why she speaks and behaves that way. She was tortured out of her mind. She is literally crazy. But in b3 gearbox just shifted her into typical girlpower character, turning one of the most tragic, and brilliant characters into blank shell of herself. Just like every one of the b2 characters.
I enjoyed Borderlands 3 quite a bit, but I miss Anthony Burch. Apparantly he was part of New Tales, but I have yet to play it, nor do I know how much he was actually involved.
Borderlands literally exist out of goofy humor and it works within that Universe. BL3 was good but the writing and character development of some previously known characters was..meh
When I was in high school, I had to hide the fact that I watched anime and did other "nerdy" things. Now in days everyone calls themselves nerds just because they know about Dragon Ball or they watched an episode of One Piece. It's like those accounts on Twitter where they post cosplay pictures with captions like "do you want to watch anime with me?"
Mainstream nerd culture is ruining nerd culture. It used to be cool finding different people who enjoyed the same thing and now we have people who hate what we love and want to change it/insert their own ideology into it.
And if you point this out, they'll try to gaslight you by saying something like "you weren't bullied for liking anime, you were bullied because you tried to do the Kamehameha during recess and did the Naruto running". Kids nowadays cannot accept the fact that anime and other nerdy stuff wasn't mainstream until mid-2010s
For real. I literally had to keep that shit secret from people on the football team and others that i was "friends" with. Because my real friends and I would be doing shit like talking about anime, video games, and this homemade ttrpg someone we knew was making while we played yugioh hiding behind a stairwell on lunch break. Because we knew people would just give us unrelenting shit for it.
Fr man. I was semi-popular amongst all the groups and I hid a lot of things I liked because I was afraid it would make me look bad. Wwe was something I used to LOVE. I never told a soul. Anime was another thing I hid. Even playing certain video games would make you look “nerdy.” Crazy how times changed
I've never had to hide that I liked Anime, Warhammer and DnD. I also happen to be 6'1 and, back then I had a lot of anger issues. One time a guy tried to mock my hair (I wore an Afro) and I literally broke a toilet bowl with his face, when his friends came to wreck me, the rest of my crew fucked them up so I never got much of a problem in highschool.
Remember those days in school where you would say something and got a laugh and someone would inevitably ask “where is that from?” Unable to even fathom that someone could be entertaining without referencing something else. Those people are making media now.
Dude, I draw as a hobby since I was small, and everytime, EVERYTIME, someone sees me drawing, they ask "Did you create this?". This is single most occurring response, the second is "Can you draw me?". Originality and creativity seem to be unfathomable things nowadays, apparently
@@phosspatharios9680 MY GOD, that is so annoying, "were are the clothes" , "where is the face" , why this, why that, why these people don't shut their mouths?
@@phosspatharios9680 it’s been gone for a while in people and hugely in entertainment especially modern Hollywood these kids are growing up in the age of remakes and rebooting old stuff from when there parents were kids and that’s just sad but also scary imo where are movies gonna be in 20 years when everything was already rebooted?
I definitely agree that kids are no stupider today than they were in the 90's. The biggest difference is kids today have platforms and social media to post the stupidity on. With the way the internet has evolved since the 90's, the stupid shit that people do spreads around so much easier, and a lot of kids will follow trends because they think it makes them look cool. That's been happening forever, but I honestly feel like it's worse now than ever before, and writers, whether it be for a show, a game, or a movie, see those trends and think "Hey, if we follow this trend too, we could make a ton of money" and prioritize that over actually making a well written story.
It used to be if someone said something stupid, everyone around them would call them stupid, then they'd realize maybe they're being stupid. Now with social media if someone says something stupid, they find many other stupid people and start thinking everyone else are the stupid ones and block them.
The problem is people are growing up slower, we got grown ass adults who're 21 years old and still refer to themselves as kids, basically man-children and women-children... Shits fucked up and pathetic...
@@whitingsandwich makes sense since we're managing to get older easier. It's good to keep your inner child as it helps with creativity and maturing stagnates your brain, but of course humans always have to exaggerate and blow it out of proportion!
I think the worst I've seen was in one the marvel movies where the writers inserted the screaming goats meme into the movie to pull the viking ship, and I was sitting in the theater wondering how the producer and director even allowed this to make it into the movie, let alone worked on at all. I should've walked out and got a refund, it was downright anoying.
Well, Thor having two goats to pull his vehicle is one of the few things Marvel Thor actually took from the original Viking sagas. Seriously, look up Tanngnjost and Tanngrisner and see for yourself.
I think the biggest issue with writing in games is that they don’t really understand subtly anymore. They have to put the allegory in boldfaced letters right on the screen without going all that deep into it and then treating the players like children who aren’t capable of understanding it by explaining the joke to you.
This. Yes. The punchline to that accent 'joke' 10 years ago would have been, "By the way, didn't you say you were 100% German?" It's not funny to say the implication out loud. It's like all the jokes are being explained as they are told.
The problem is that people can't understand subtlety or anything with any amount of ambiguity, so they then take to twitter to deliver "hot takes" about how [insert media here] is problematic because it has underlying themes of xyz-phobia, and then the braindead crowd on twitter, all of whom have the collective IQ of a moldy onion jump on the bandwagon to lead a righteous crusade to cancel whoever was behind the media. And god forbid you try and offer an analysis contrary to the narrative they've set their minds on, since they dismiss any and all criticism with deflection and name calling. Idiocracy was a documentary.
I don't always walk in with some of your takes but as soon as you said Invader Zim backpack you brought me right back to a Hot Topic in Nebraska where I made a choice LOL
As a 33 year old married guy, I envy my wife (34). She has no clue about the culture war or any of it. She’s not on social media. The only TH-cam videos she watches are crochet tutorials and cat videos. She never watches or listens to the news. She’s the happiest person I know.
I believe the quote was “Ignorance is bliss”
Cats do wonders yes.
She goes to the grocery store? Her feet touch grass. My wife is terminally ill, hasn’t left the house in years and just watching a commercial shows how much we have devolved as a species. Easy times breed weak men.
Your wife is a smart person, she will probably be an awesome grandma one day.
@@tonynittoli4792 You should go on a journey to find a cure for your wife strong man 👍🤗
"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering." - Tom Waits
@@Ofjkk ones arrival
“The world is a fine place and worth fighting for”. I agree with the second part.
Seven
There's still music to make life good
@@ramontavaresdacruz2256 what if the music writers get worse too, which I’d argue.
Edit: perhaps worse isn’t the right word, perhaps a better description would be that mainstream music has become more homogenized.
Love it
Pro writing tip: Try getting somebody to act out the dialogue with you. If it's too embarrassing for you to do it, you probably shouldn't ask the actors, either.
Yup. Just say your lines out loud and see if you cringe at it.
Random bro here knows tip top tips, right
I'll keep that in mind.
Tfw you're writing erotica. It's all automatically cringe.
Thank you for the tip man! This would come in handy.
The Saints in the reboot are the kind of people the original Saints would have robbed and killed.
I'm going to erase my comment yours is way better
This.
This is so true 😂
They would’ve killed everything after 2 as well.
@@MadDogSolo no 3 and 4 had demons and aliens and super powers their just better nomatter how bad the games were then the recent one yeah but 3 and 4 just are stronger it isn't Chad is stronger it's who is stronger is stronger
My favorite joke in borderlands 3 is simply reading “coolant” and “heatant” on the pipes in the main ship. That made me laugh more than any joke in the game.
I wish I had noticed this so I could have had a laugh as well. I played through once because the level of cringe almost tanked the experience entirely. As some who purchased the first 2 on multiple platforms I find it insane that I can't even bring myself to play again, even if just to try out the other classes.
@@JB-md7db I completely understand lol the dialogue is butt most of the time but it’s just so fun to play imo, the gunplay feels GREAT. I think you should try it again! I picked Zane the first time but Moze is super fun with her mech.
This was my favorite joke too!
Kind of related, but the one and only thing I truly enjoyed/laughed at during the movie Sausage Party was all the creative made-up products on the shelves in the background of every scene .
@@Danbotology sometimes that’s all it takes man lol
The thing about the pop culture references, is that I remember when they were just Easter eggs. Now they’re 50% of the dialogue in the game
They used to.
It’s like having Easter every single day, non-stop, eggs being filled everywhere you look, it’s been said on a children’s book I forgot the name of, where the moral was, “If you have Christmas everyday, then it becomes less special, and just becomes another day”
Game writers now be taking inspiration from Gex
This is so annoying to me, makes me happy to see true Easter eggs nowadays like the titanic reference room in Jedi Survivor
I think it is just what happened to spoof movies. If you watch Airplane and Scary Movie, it is filled with pop culture references, but they were all used as a joke or to make fun of what they were referencing.
But if you watch the later spoof movies, before the genre died, such as Disaster Movie. The joke is the reference, like no reference ever adds anything to the story or even is written as a joke or parody. It is all just, remember this?
I think the same thing happened, they wrote a quirky and quick-witted character that made pop culture references and people liked it. And then, other media started doing the same. Copying the same character, just every single time they did, they made the character less interesting and shallower. Now, it is everywhere, these shallow characters that they all just want to act cool and make pop culture references. But there is nothing to the reference, nor the character. Writers are just lazy and think that just making a pop culture reference is enough, for people to like their characters.
“Nerd was a subculture. A label others would put unto you. It was not something anyone aspired to be.”
This is so correct.
Nerd has been taken by those that used to bully actual nerds, to now get brownie points on social media and likes on IG and TH-cam.
They put the label on themselves and call themselves super fans of something despite only having bought some Guardians of the Galaxy funko pops a month ago.
They love Star Wars.. but then say constantly it’s just space wizards with laser swords and the Anakin exploded “a Death Star”. Because obviously they love it in a self aware ironic way…
The most bizarre still is they are the ones getting the jobs by faking this. Not the real fans and actual nerds..
Yea that’s why real Nerds dont run around wearing merch of Comic books.
They learned the hard way that people bully you for that stuff.
They were invited to jailbreak someones iPhone or to do the PowerPoint but that’s it.
The modern Nerd is just something that’s made up by Marketing guys to Sell merch.
@@Crowdfresser indeed! Exactly that!
"they collect Funko POPs"
Looks over at my warhammer 40k models
"Yea, im not like that. Thank god"
* looks at my Wishbone plushie collection I had since I was a toddler *
Same.
Funko Pops scream "I want to collect nerdy looking stuff", but without the will to embrace the "degeneracy" of collecting actual figurines, or models.
@@Bearhuggerus Literally the millennials way of thinking compared to everyone else. Safe to look at and unoffensive to those who wish to see. 40K, Gundam, hell even some late 70s - early 90s toys takes those risks of (in the public eye) being nerdy/weird/graphic/geeky/or over the top, like how most identifiable undying media is. Meanwhile funko pops are so bland and featureless, they blend in with any form of background and setting. A literal NPC level of detail; same pose, same eyes, and same level of design.
I own like 4 funko pops, 3 of of them were gifts. I don’t go out of my way to collect them because they just look so low quality and stupid, and overpriced. there are so many better collectibles and figures to buy.
There's a personal touch that you need to glue and paint your boys compared to similar looking Funkopop figures
the problem is simple: these writers aren't writing a story, they're filling dead air with shallow content.
That's very poetic. Ironically better written than most dialogue nowadays.
or its edgy garbage of equally no value
Earnestness is a crime!
Yeah I’m stealing this thanks
This isn’t just video games, I had this vibe from riverdale😂 boomer made characters lmao
One of my pet peeves in modern day story telling is the obsession with ruining a good scene with a joke. The moment is gone and i'm disappointed
No way, bro. Imagine how much cooler the Elden Ring intro would be if the narrator bumped the mic, or paused to go get his hot pocket from the microwave and burned himself, or hit a bong at the start and coughed sporadically throughout the narration. That would be so relatable.
Modern Star Wars does this 24/7 and I hate it, Imagine if instead of Luke screaming "no! its not true!" to Vader claiming to be his father, C3P0 just butted into the scene with a cheesy one liner.
All of Marvel movies.
Action shonen animes lol
@@whiskeysour1179 This actually worked with other games like The Bard's Tale. But that was a fantasy parody game. It was doing it on purpose and that gave the game it's tone.
But this modern writers saw stuff like that and thought it is unique and quirky.
In MGS4 if you kill enough soldiers you make Old Snake get a flash back of Liquid Snake telling him that he enjoys killing, you puke, and lose 25% of your stamina as you get PTSD.
In The Last Of Us 2 you kill a dog and later find out it played fetch and feel sad. Also it's message that "Revenge is Bad" seems to hold no weight as the game made you kill a mountain of people just to let the final boss live.
For TLOU2 is that they FORCE you to kill the dog. You don't kill it because it's the easier way, the other option being harder/longer blablabla...no they make you kill the dog and then go "Look at what you did!" later. Didn't feel guilty as the devs were the killers.
MGS 1-4 in every had peak story telling. Comparing it to anything else really is unfair
This is called ludonarrative dissonance for anyone curious.
You didn't kill a mountain of people in TLOU2. Ellie did. You may control her through her journey, but she is not a player avatar, she is a character in her own right with her own personality, likes, dislikes, goals and emotions. The game is you following HER journey, not yours, that tells HER story, not yours.
@@axebearer Maybe the director shoul stay in Hollywood then and never come back.
The writers of this game don't think they're "cool," they think they're "quirky." And quirkiness is a thin line to land on.
True, true, and true, but they also think that quirky is beyond cool, so . . .
Quirky is a much better term for it
@@goodbuddy7607 sorry i killed seven people im such a scorpio UWU 😜😜😜😜 😋😫😫😫😫😛😛😛😛!! im such a quirky chungus O M G L M F A O S T D O S! 😎😎😎😎😎😎
but how can i be as quirky as benito mussolini though 😭😭😭😿😿😿😿😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Thank you lol, the whole “you’re trying to write cool people but you’re not even cool yourself” bit was throwing me off. Plenty of great writers who make cool characters are often not the epitome of cool themselves and that’s probably what makes it work.
quirky implies they stand out. you can't have a whole generation of quirky.
The problem is the writers' only writing experience is making comments on gaming subreddits, which is why all of the dialogue sounds like throwaway jokes made for karma.
That and a ton of writers just haven't gone through the hardships others have, they don't have that RAW emotion that comes with suffering
@@TheLarryDungeon because we live in a time with the least amount of suffering
@@dream6562 The world is like one insult from war
@@TheLarryDungeon nah well be in civil war before that can happen
@@dream6562 Not too far off lmao
These are the people who are so afraid you'll miss their joke, that they tell it over and over again.
So playing their games feels like that uncomfortable conversation you can't leave, because the other person won't stop talking.
I feel like they do this because there is no laugh track after each punchline like in tvseries, so they cant train people.
Great way to put it
Perfectly said
Omg I work with a guy like this lol
To be fair, repetition CAN work in comedy, but it takes a skilled writer to do it.
They aren't Steve Buscemi pretending to be a student, they're wearing a t-shirt with Steve Buscemi pretending to be a student on it and they think it makes them hilarious.
That’s actually a pretty funny image you just spun for me
Underrated.
Omg I was thinking of that whole meme too! I was thinking that, instead of it being obvious satire, they think it's actually cool. I love your reference though, it's so apt! Haha
Perfect. 😂
I would have bought that t-shirt.
It's like the reverse of Big Bang Theory. Uncool people writing "cool" characters in games while "cool" people write the nerd dialogue in big bang, with neither grasping the other's culture
We need the writers of the I.T. Crowd to write games
Velma is literally the pinnacle of the point being made here. It’s so terrible and so maxed out of this kind of writing that literally EVERYONE, right or left, guy or girl, black or white, whatever, we all agree it’s terrible. It kind of gives me hope. Like we’ve pushed so hard on both sides of everything that we’re all exhausted and just want to chill out.
Well I kind of wonder if some stuff is just bad on purpose for the attention. Apparently Scooby Doo spin offs are released every few years and Velma is the only recent one I know about because my youtube feed is nothing but people ragging on it. Being notoriously bad is probably a lot better than never being heard of. I wonder how many hate watchers these shows get.
@@theodis8134 there IS, however, such thing as bad publicity.
Honestly a lot of the popular examples, to me at least, feel like corps wanting to push a writing style that they *think* younger generations will be with, without understanding like the intricacies of when/why certain kinds of arguments are said. Like it's not that every point or weird argument or twitter slang is just nonsense, but I don't think wheoever is pushing/funding a lot of these shows and media understand the difference
Part of it extends from just trying to appeal to "diverse" audiences. I have no idea what the composition of the writing room looks like, and I will not speculate. However, it very clearly was made to appeal to the people who do the fucking clap emojis while saying "we need a $25 an hour minimum wage, now."
@@SirProdigle *ding ding ding*
The people in these writing rooms, almost certainly, have connections and inroads into them. Relatives that work in the industry, went to the same fraternities/sororities as the people who are related to said people. This isn't inherently bad, and we need to start admitting that we would do the same thing if we could, however when higher ups give these people a directive to appeal to a young, hip demographic, they are at a loss.
They just make Poochie.
I feel like the main issue is they are trying to use the sense of humor of middle and high school kids but they fail to take in to account that middle and high school kids sense of humor is moronic and phases out of style in a matter of weeks
Perfectly stated.
Makes no sense either. Why wouldn't you just use a relevant humor? Even if it's not what the kids are doing and it's actually funny to adults. You'd at least appeal to some ppl.
@Marcus Vincent I think a big part of it is also the same reason other reboots or sequels to comedic media recently have had this same issue, that being that the writers saw people talking about how funny the humor of the previous entries were, saw that there were a lot of puns, references, sarcasm, and witicisms, and decided without looking into it any further or thinking any more about it that that must be all there is to the success of those entries and so that's the extent of the humor they use.
@@DolusVulpes and don't forget CEOs want to try to appeal to the LCD but still try to cheapen the budget.
That and half us are anywhere from 25 to 45 in terms of at least half the gaming population and we have grown out of those stages yet the makers of the franchises and games we like haven't seemed to evolve in terms of humor.
Bad writers + hidden agendas = terrible story
"hidden"
at this point those 2 are synonymous.
Isn’t it kind of weird how they go hand-in-hand. It’s like in order to be this bad you have be an agenda driven writer and it’ll never be good.
More like open agendas😂
You know they fucked up the writing when they CONSTANTLY give you long ass diatribes from other characters via holo call that last so long you almost always reach the entrance into the next zone before they finish so you're left standing in front of a door as if you give a shit or just in case you need to pay attention to the one piece of important info in the sea of lawl randumb.
The issue with “nerd culture” becoming popular is that these “nerds” just substitute pop-culture references and mindless consumption for an actual personality.
like porn, it's anyone that adopts a pair of clark kent classes. Few recall the hierarchy of nerds, geeks, dweebs, doofuses.. They hold no individual meaning in this era.
WHOOOOMP there it is
I can't even have a discussion about games with a lot of people who identify themselves as "gamers" and "nerds" nowadays. As soon as you get into it, they go cross eyed and do a 180. 😂 yeah...."nerd"
@@warp871certain series are my focus and in my knowledge pool. I do not even attempt to know about FPS or fighting games other than I played a few of the old arcade made into console games like MK, M vs C II, and primal rage. These days SSB is about as deep as I go into fighting games and by most long term fighter gamers consider it a party game, which is fair.
I'm a millennial nerd myself, but I don't show it to people not interested. If they open up on nerdy things, I'm on, but to pushed it to someone or to separate nerd from normal people is stupid. Being a nerd for me is just a sub-class, the moment you think it's your main class you're screwed.
It doesn't even look like a millennial wrote it, it feels like corporations trying to pander to "millennials".
@@KevinoftheCosmos true they hired millenials to write for millenials and cringe genz
@@KevinoftheCosmos no it's not. Get out.
yeah and i feel the same thing about the first two games, they're objects of that time, if you go in those games without the nostalgia glasses you gonna cringe as hard as you cringe in Borderlands 3, they just told the people to write the same type of dialogs, and this doesn't work anymore
@@justanidiotmk2749 it is... A lot of the people working on saints row (and handling their Twitter, look it up) are in their early 20s... It's 2023... So what does that make them?? Lol sad how you need to be talked to like a 5 yr old
@@master-dukecuthbert5061 well are they hired by a company? Simple as that lol sad how it's so hard for you to understand a joke.
People who say "do/be better" would probably try to sue you for emotional harassment if they were told the same
Those kind of people were never told to git gud.
they wouldnt survive an x-box lobby, the only way they survive twitter as is is by blocking people they dont like
Sued by kratos
@@A-wy5zm Many also mistake the fact that change aint looking for friends. The wheel of progress will fuck anybody over. Hence the complaining.
@@Vincrand
The competitive guys finish as MMA-fighters
The cooperative guys rule the world.
😉
As a millennial (34) I think social media is the main culprit. People become addicted to social media and so start thinking like this. On the other hand, because of social media, people who are thinking like this get elevated and heard more and look like more of a majority than they really are. There's obviously a lot more to the problem than that, I just think that's a central part of what makes the problem get worse and worse.
Not really, it's just a lack of skill. There are good writers in the social media age.
@@amadeusakreveusmusic3356 i dont know man i think spending a lot of time on Social Media is very unhealthy for your mind in General.
And those are the Main people that Post Shit there.
So there is a high propability that some one that posts stuff on Social Media is at a mental disadvantage to a person that doesnt Post stuff there.
There might be some people that are immune to that damage like some people can smoke for ages without hard consequenzes but Most people dont.
"Out-of-touch" -- these are people with jobs writing video games that live in the wealthiest areas of the country and surround themselves with only like-minded people. It's beyond out-of-touch, they're not living on the same planet.
@@A-wy5zm then come to LATAM
@@A-wy5zm you really seem defensive when someone challenges your views
@@MalekitGJ how does that challenge their views lol someone else being even less wealthy doesn't make you wealthy. The writers live in the wealthiest areas of the country but barely get paid enough to rent their parents' guest room and buy instant ramen packets from the gas station. Not exactly living large
@@k--music yet they have access to highband internet & eat at least 3 times a day everyday.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure, whatever flies your boat
@@MalekitGJ you eat at all? Try being someone’s pet iguana they literally have to rely on an owner for food smh
I feel like the show Velma is a great example of this, it’s more of people stereotyping younger generations, to appeal to more younger generations, and failing terribly.
@sonic-templeoselma becomes so much more easier to understand when you understand that the "Mystery gang but in high school and with a focus on Velma's story!" is just a mask hinding the true plot of the show: Mindi's self-insert solves crimes while being extremely unlikeable because the writters aren't out of touch with modern culture but out of touch with humanity altogether, apperantly
It's not a genuine prequel to Scooby Doo, it's Mindy's fanfic given big-time budgeting.
Any Scooby show without the titular dog is not one worth watching.
That show is utter trash and should have never been green lit.
Imagine if in Manhunt the main guy kept saying “that just happened, erm awkward, capitalism is bad, I need the money for rent” every kill.
Oh no. You just described Deadpool basically lol.
this should be a mod
deadpool did it before it was cringe, it a way that borders on it@@ArcangelZero7
Love the Ryuko Matoi pfp
"DID I JUST KILL HIM? WITH MY FREAKING KNIFE?!"
People who think communism is a preferable alternative to capitalism confuse me like all it does to take a simple history book to point otherwise
Communism has never existed on this planet. Closest you get is certain native American tribes.
If you're talking about the Soviet Union they were a dictatorship propped up by a single source economy.
Calling the Soviet union 'communist' is like calling North Korea a democratic republic because it has those words in its official name.
Calling themselves communist was purely propaganda meant to appeal to those on the far left. Those on the far right latched on to this as well as propaganda to villainize and attack.
I dont know man if i Look at history books capitalist systems also faild quite hard and i cant say any system we currently have realy works.
I guess we’ll have to come up with something different or a mix.
@@Crowdfresserthey all fail because of greedy and/or evil people. There is no fool proof economy in a world where those people exist. The difference is, when communism fails, it’s so much worse than capitalism failing would ever be. Capitalism, with all of its flaws, is still, and always will be, the better option.
@@Crowdfresser yea capitalist systems have failed but if you look at the out comes of capitalist systems on average and the out comes of communist one there is a clear difference just compare the Soviet Union or China or North Korea or Laos or Cuba or Vietnam as compared to the US or UK or Germany or Finland or Norway or France not saying all capitalist countries are perfect but I’ll take them over any communist country
@@No-one1650 but they didnt just fail because they were communist, they had a lot of other disadvantages.
I also dont know the outcome of current capitalist behavior.
Companys poisen us just to make a profit.
Ressources get wasted by producing stuff that breaks within a Short time so they can Sell you more.
People earn Lots of Money selling weapons so they got a vested Interest that war keeps happening.
In Capitalism on Avarage you earn less the more you contribute to the wealth of Society.
I’m watching us millennials turn into boomers in real time, talking about spoiled kids we can’t relate with etc etc. It’s wild
I think its just a section of millenials that were always going to have a problem when people moved on from paying attention to them on social bubbles. As the man said, 'people who already have a high opinion of their opinion'. They're loud and vulnerable.
the video should be called how shitty youtubers and twitch streamer ruined gaming
@@swilson5320 Dude for real I'm getting super tired of culture war bullshit and people whining about their first world problems in like hour long video essays and on twitter about representation in their videos games and the writing not being deep enough. Like holy shit do you actually have so few problems this is what you sink your time into talking about?
I'm still refusing to become boomer
@@taylrthegreat Yeah man it takes concentrated effort to not slip and fall into a lot of boomery. That's where your brain naturally wants to go and you have to take time out of your day to make a point of pulling yourself out of certain mental swamps that just happen as you get used to "how things should be". You start accepting the status quo and resenting the next generation for pointing out things you didn't get right or figure out.
The young are there to make change in society and push the status quo forward the old are there to guide and help them achieve the better future we're too jaded to be able to see. I feel like millenials as a generation are getting to that stage in life where you realize you make a big switch to giving wisdom instead of receiving it which is a weird precipice to be at. I just hope we're kinder to the generation after us than the one before us was to us
I played Borderlands 3 with friends. We enjoyed the gameplay. We even enjoyed some of the story and comedy. We hated the main villains and Ava. All three felt like Creator's Pets. They gave the villains what felt like forced wins that didn't feel earned. We all hated Ava from moment one, but then her actions got Maya, a character we all liked, killed. This is followed by a scene where Ava yells at Lilith and one of my friends just started shooting her in the face telling her to shut up. And what's weird is the game acts like Ava grew, but we never saw it. Suddenly people start acting like she grew as a person and fighter. Did they cut some content? Cause she was still the annoying brat that managed to get one of the most powerful people in the universe killed by being dumb.
I'll be real that was kind of the point of the twins. We weren't supposed to hate them because they were just doing bad things but hate the portrayal of their character as well. So if you hated them and cringed at the stereotypical millennial behavior then good. Ava though....there was no hope for that.
If you've seen the deleted scenes they had some legit story elements where Ava did grow. Why they didn't include it idk, but I don't blame the writers here because they had a script in mind. It just sucks the publishers don't care if the game can't be done on time
Not to mention that the writers missed a huge opportunity to make Troy a much better character of having him kill Tyrene and taking her powers for himself. Would’ve been a really cool addition to the story.
Ava though, yeah no hope there
Most of the gameplay was nearly identical to the earlier Borderlands games. And, yeah, the writers were definitely sniffing their own farts when it came to Ava and the streamer twin villains. Some much of the writing was awful. Killing off Maya was terrible - it felt like they were following a checklist to kill off a character from the previous game like what happened to Roland, without any of his death's heroism or emotional payoff.
Ava was genuinely unlikable, and honestly she never got less so.
Too much forced grrrll power, wannabe handsome jack endless irrelevant monologues
and not enough corporate dystopia and pandora psycho gags which was the appeal and humor of the originals
The thing about the Halo Infinite community manager is that he made that poll ironically, trying to mock the games audience. This is the type of ironic humour you'd typically see on gamingcirclejerk, and much of it originated from there. The funny part is that the users on there didn't even see the irony and just screenshotted the post, roasting him as if he were serious.
Nice to see you here. I wonder why your comment hasn't gotten more attention yet
@@compatriot852he has no heckin' checkmark to verify this post as peer reviewed and backed by science
@@CivilizedWasteland Thanks for the clarification kind stranger have some reddit gold and some updoots
love your vids, i need more soy lore !!!
@@CivilizedWasteland It's science.
I mute the dialogue and blast music when i play borderlands games lol
"You can't explore a concept of 'oh look how edgy we are' when you know they're never gonna go anywhere near the actual edge they feel that is edgey."
Asmon hit it right on the head with this one.
I miss 2010 Shane Dawson
Indeed, anything that's actually edgy will get you suspended from most internet platforms.
@@SecureInMyHead seek help
@@ForbiddenSlurp there's a difference between edgy and "limited edgy"
@@ForbiddenSlurp Nah, those are zoomers
The most aggravating part I find in this type of writing is the destruction of old characters. Former relatable or strong characters are either thrown aside or deliberately smeared/degraded to be replaced with the writer's shiny new OC, often resulting in very unsatisfying resolutions for well loved characters and major continuity errors in the plot and setting.
Yeah they dont care about the product. They only care about themselves
@@A-wy5zm because if you're in a team that cares, these people stand out like a sore thumb and ruin the social and collaborative environment.
If your team is full of these types the team wont exist for long and will go through endless restructuring.
There is a balance between the self and the team, but the balance described here is off
@@A-wy5zmthese games only sell because they were preceeded by well written good games, therefore the company has a reputation already and doesnt have to try. Hence triple A games mostly sucking but they still sell
@@chasehitchcock6684Dude is literally the type the entire video is about.
@@spew42im pretty this guys just trying to start shit with people and doesn't have anything to actually add
Political and social commentary is like CGI in movies or TV. When it's good, it's barely noticeable, but when it's bad, it's glaringly obvious.
Also, I have a feeling that the reason a lot of these millennial writers get so condescending in their dialogue is because their favorite college professors were condescending and that's who they look up to.
The worst it's when they're selling subpar products that criticize capitalism and society even though they're just another cog on the machine
As a millennial I find it odd because we were taught to be skeptical and to form our own opinions as opposed to blindly following what some guy thinks.
@@ExarchGaming Homie, you're talking about pop-culture/mainstream here. 2ndly, Education is opinion. Idk how long it has been since you been in school, but history is taught in a way that teaches you how to correlate data, interpret them and string together narratives to make sense of things (though, US education does suuck a lot and is statee dependend). What you are seeing now is the inability of people to properly understand the world because they stopped studying new things that aren't related to their interests or job dependent, and those that try to study new stuff often times completely forgot or never understood how to properly study. Like, there is a reason High school teach you only thee easiest form of scientific writing and despite this most still fuck it up beyond comprehension...
If you knew anything about education (which you should since your talking about the problems of studying (not learning, learning and studying mean different things)) than you should inherently understand that knowledge is interpretive, which is why we developed the scientific method to agree on an interpretation collectively. AGREE on AN INTERPRETATION. This is what we call the peer-review process. In order to change your knowledge you need to challenge the academic notions in accordance with scientific approaches.
This is why you have no idea what you are talking about, because you only ever learned the condensed versions of highly complicated subjects to help you understand you own cognitive biases and how to avoid them. Right now, you're just talking about pop-culture. I'd make a metaphor: You are the 21 century internet soccer mom and baseball dads.
Y'all don't know what you are talking about, y'all keep making up dumbass theories and y'all act just as arrogantly in your opinions because your opinions are somehow related to your self-worth or some shit, idk? Like prove someone wrong and they get as mad as if you insulted some dudes favorite football team or some shit.
@@luvhair255 It's always the teacher. It's only over time (over the course of your life) where you begin to challenge the knowledge taught to you by your elders.
All our knowledge is born this way, even yours. We learn from those who came before, then we challenge those who taught us, and then we learn a little bit more about our species in the progress.
@@dydx_ A bit of Kripke wouldn't hurt you.
Borderlands 3 was so cringe that I just stopped playing it. LGBTQ writing.
The gameplay is amazing which makes the writing that much more sad
That ending scene with the music afterwards, “THIS GIRL IS ON-FIIIIIRRRREE!!” 😂 Fuck outta here!
@@absolutebaastardI said to myself when Lilith blew up that they’ll probably play this girl is on fire after this and they did and I got really mad
I am 36. A lot of millenials hate this too, but most stopped caring. I don't have the time anymore to care. And i won't waste energy to care. I simply ignore it nowadays.
It annoys me that we get bundled in with gen z. Anyone younger than 27 isn't a millennial.
I'm in this camp
It's why I only play games from the 90s to 2010s now
@@babelfishdude this shit was never funny in any generation
You got time
“A colosseum where all these college kids try to kill each other and if you kill someone you get your loans forgiven”
That’s a weird way to describe college football
Yeah thats just the NCAA or ROTC (in a very roundabout way with many steps in between)
Your giving them too much credit. How millenial of you.
It’s funny to me. The line “be better” is so much stronger in GOW where we have a man trying to better himself from a past that was quite vile. In most games, the line just comes off as obnoxious.
Social media and it's consequences have been a disaster for the woman race.
In GOW being told to be better feels like someone wants the best for your well being, while at the same time its a line with a lot of depth and meaning to the main protagonists...
In Borderlands being told to be better feels like your boss trying to make you feel like shit because he will not have a bonus paycheck at the end of the year because of your bad performance...
That's because in GOW your character is actually trying better himself, while in vast majority of other games and media it's just "be better how i want you to be because you have to have the same morality as i do and agree 100% with my twisted worldview based on fake feelings baked into me by manipulative social media clout chasers and teachers"
Its also a joke in gow, since the combat is way simpler, its just stats.
@@rRekko cringe dude
Bruh thing is they tried to match the times without considering that the times are always changing, which is why you have to make something that is timeless. Trying to match the times dates you to that period instead of becoming something memorable and perpetual
A good example of the contrast between these writing styles is the Rings of Power vs Tolkien's story of Numenor.
In the Rings of Power, Numenor doesn't like Elves (and don't want them to move to their island) because they work too hard and they are going to take Numenorean jobs; a very 21st century, American, and boring political message that isn't explored further than that.
In Tolkien's writings, Numenor comes to be jealous of the immortality of Elves. They are corrupted from within by an imprisoned Sauron, who convinced the dying king that they could find immortality by attacking the undying lands (essentially heaven). This is a universal and timeless story about man's mortality, fear of death, and his ability to be corrupted; as well as his immense strength and bravery, considering that they previously defeated Sauron multiple times at the height of his power and took him prisoner.
@mikuhuntu4xbot228 Boring in comparison to the timeless Tolkien narrative. It’s also so on the nose as to be offensive to the audience’s intellect.
exactly. the scale in modern day writing is too small. They need to tackle greater parts of the human experience that transcend time and don't become dated within a year. Like existential questions. Everything Everywhere all at once is a great example that milenials can tackle these greater subjects in a new millennial style without it feeling cringe, condescending, or on the nose. They just need to get off of twitter and look to things outside of themselves.
@@yum8666 I just watched that recently and loved it. It’s the weirdest movie I’ve ever seen, but I really liked the core message. I took it as an antidote to nihilism, and probably social media (seeing everything, from everywhere, all the time) but choosing to be present with the people around you. So, it was both hyper relevant to today, while exploring something timeless and human.
@@yum8666 So basically like ontological questions that are timeless instead of things that are more of a trend.
@mikuhuntu4xbot228boring political message because Elves are inmortal meaning their work is almost like a "god like creation" MEANING people from Numenor and humans can never buy nothing from them because the price
Like literally is the stupid concept Ever the Witcher books about racism and etnic cleaning IS literally better than what writers of RINGS pull off
Some things I've identified as Millennial writing:
-Self referential
-Excessively self aware
-Irony over the situation
-Constant and active observation of external forces being emphasized in each conversation
Your pfp suggests you have great taste in video games
Self aware? I don't think they are even that self aware at all. I think it's not being self aware but more self absorbent for oneself
Complete lack of self awareness, and lack of awareness in general aspects.
Don’t forget zero meaningful consequences and pop culture references and member berries.
You need to add in an unwillingness to tolerate 'tropes', except for their self-insert personality quirks which are totally not tropes to themselves. A perpetual revolution against characters and Ideas that aren't theirs.
The point about Nerds today being linked to consumption is so true.
I've been into Warhammer 40k for over 20 years now, everyone has loved sharing pictures of models they've made themselves or painted, but in recent years there's a subset of 40k fans who buy a huge amount of models and post pictures of the boxes, not having even assembled the models they just post the unopened boxes, it's utterly insufferable
What’s so bad about them keeping how they assemble and paint their models so secret? I’m new to painting and assembling minis, and I understand why new people wouldn’t want to post them online.
I don't post anything to any social whatsoever, so I'm playing devil's advocate, but I'd rather die than post my assembled minis because they fuckin' suck, lmao.
@@randomidoit9605 it's about shift from doing hobby aka painting and assembling to being proud of being a consumer, just buying more and more
@@randomidoit9605because they just buy them and don't use them. They don't even assemble them. Boxes just lay there for years
@@Beef3Dman Ace Combat will always have a place in my heart ✊👍🤝
A very important point that I've read before is that most classic and revered games were made by people who grew up living in the real world and having real experiences, most modern games are made by people who grew up only playing video games and it shows.
That's actually a really good point, never thought of it that way
Well said
'It's like - the world needs their approval' - legendary line of commentary
I’d say borderlands 2 was a favorite and trying to play 3 was so hard and cringe with the villains I was enjoyed the side quest over the main story
As if they are the main characters of movies or something. They think the world revolves around them.
@@thisisfyne how so?
Willow, the new fantasy TV series, had this exact problem. "Hey you! So we're getting married tomorrow. weird huh?" Thank you, uncompelling "strong" female character for your brilliant modern twitter dialogue in a medieval fantasy setting.
@@ha-kh7ef The movie is a timeless classic that still appeals to young and old alike, and so people were expecting a show just as good, not the cringefest they got.
Does she have the haircut?
Ah, Willow. I will forever remember the time that medieval fantasy TV show had a character utter the phrase, "Hey, new girl, where you at?" Riveting.
@@ha-kh7ef Don't you ever say an unkind word about Willow.
I... suppose that is true. I kind of half liked it though, it wasn't all bad.
Remember when playing a video game was a way to escape reality and not have to hear the crap everyone was saying all the time?
@@vrabo3026 Those were the best of times.
Well I mean, that still happens today, plenty of games today let you escape from reality just like older titles.
No, I don't. Most stories, whether they intend to or not ,seek to spread a moral, philosophical or political agenda. Even a simple Mario game spreads a message of helping others and having fun.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355The fact you can't see the difference between a basic moral idea like that, and spreading modern political talking points is why this hobby should've been gatekept harder.
@@vrabo3026 Back before the dark times, before EA normalized Microtransactions in the industry.
100% true; I call this Nickelodeon dialogue. Some very rare writers like Joss Whedon are able to make it work in a top tier fashion and end up making it popular ... I mean, the entire pattern was really just blasted through our culture via content like Buffy and Avengers. However, everyone else who tries to ape this style just create disaster writing.
I noticed this around 2010 and couldn't put my finger in why most media made me cringe and angry when watching it. I was a 9 year old boy back then but even I was able to pick up on this garbage
I can’t imagine being worried about racism in the world of Borderlands
I’d be more worried about being eaten by some random dude
Most of these devs and writers probably haven't even experienced the trials and tribulations they are crying about in games. The reason Tolkien's works will be immortalized are because he lived through and participated in the struggles he writes about. Industrialization, the horrors of WW1, etc. All the themes in the stories ring true with the majority of the world population in some way or another.
Well said. Also, absolutely accurate. Love this video, love the original author of that video, I'm grateful for they both
denouncing these abominable realities, which are not less true because they are horrible. BTW: The writing in Hogwarts Legacy is really good, it's just a good game, with excellent voice acting, no matter what haters say.
That is why the writters of the Saints Row reboot failed so hard, they cannot write gangster characters. Rockstar actually had people that were part of this underbelly of society giving them material for inspiration, what does the Saints Row 2022 devs had? A bunch of privileged college kids writting self inserts.
This is why I always encourage Black and Hispanic people to get into gane developing. When the industry is predominantly white and male, the delivery is always going to be corny if it's not about dungeons and dragons.
Are you saying people need to experience horrible things to be able to show them? Thats really going to minimize the available pool of devs and writers.
@@Chris-ks4sw No, I'm just saying its much more effective to write about something you've experienced firsthand, and the themes he expresses in the works can click with just about anyone in the world. It's not a targeted small audience he was appealing to.
As Critical drinker said: "The characters are only as smart as people writing them."
Sanderson said that he could write characters more intelligent than him as he makes them able to react and think about the plot details he's creating. As a writer he has the luxury of knowing the future and so can make his characters more or less able to act wisely in respect to the plot.
@@deisophiagaming8216
That makes sense in that particular instance.
The creator begets the creation.
Many of us in the 40 and below, including myself (I’m 41), haven’t really lived all that interesting a life. We have a culture of infantilization. We aren’t given strong archetypes to model ourselves after. Our hormone levels are screwed up.
So many factors result in people who can’t really write authentically interesting characters and stories.
Even a buddy of mine who has his PhD in writing. He’s got this lame left winger perspective. What do you do with that?
@DeadManWalking I think that is happening too. Part of what I'm saying isn't to blame anyone but to be objective. Many of us in the western world have easy lives compared to all people, historically. Now throw in a lack of self awareness or development, indoctrination that happens in college, growing up with the internet and it's vapidness and its lack of space that cultivates authenticity, lack of deep friendships, and you don't have ingredients for good art, let alone writing.
You know he's a grifter right?
Late night TV is the same way. I don't mind it that someone wants to express their views with their own creations. What drives me crazy is when those people feeling that urge co-opt something already created and well established. Just create your own!
in my opinion, the difference between politics in older games, and politics in newer gamer is that in newer games, they portray the message that their trying to convey as only having one solution; theirs. In older games, they understood that there was no single answer, and often times no RIGHT answer; and left it for the player to decide what was right in accordance to their own moral compass.
My favorite part of fallout new vegas is that there’s no “good” ending and all 4 factions can be debated on being the best one
A good game has no politics. Because politics don't matter. Fastfoward 3000 years and nothing political mattered. What does matter is the human soul and the histiry forged from it. The essence of what we are never changes. Good storied are ones we can all relate to and understand as humans. Not because its pushing an agenda but because we are all human and we can all share the feeling of pain, anguish, joy, love and sorrow.
A good story connects with you on a human level, not a political one
Kotors story was somewhat all about this!
Older games' politics were timeless "political" topics. e.g. positives and negatives of an authoritarian regime. Older games asked the player a question.
Newer games just insert whatever political topic is hot at the time and try to prescribe a right answer.
Tactics Ogre is a good example. In one situation one player's choice lead to a small town getting slaughtered while a creepy music plays. It is a solution but a controversial one
The worst part about badly written, shoehorned in social/political issues in games/media is that it almost always hurts whatever group you're trying to represent. Of course to avoid this, you have to be a good writer, which these people are not
bad writing comes from people trying to capitalize on a societal trend they don't personally have a deep understanding of. Actual progressives would write with more nuance.
@lberghaus Except they don't, I don't know what rock you've been hiding under the last decade or so lol. It's all garbage, even the better stuff is excruciatingly mediocre.
@@Let_The_Foolish_Take_The_Lead I remember earnestly asking someone for a really good progressive figure to draw inspiration from and people were saying that if you pick a black man don't pick a colonized uncle Tom go with someone like Franz Fanon.
When I tried to read him he opened up with a quote by Karl Marx, a white man.
@@off6848 That checks out lol
@metalhead6526it's even slowly creeping its way into anime and manga as well.
“Imagine them listening to this while surrounded by funko pops”
Hahaha a whole industry filled with the people that The Nerd Crew is making fun of
Dude borderlands is the perfect example. The writing in borderlands 2 was some of the best. Then 3 made me wish I was Helen Keller all due to the writing. It unforgivable and borderlands was one of my favorite series.
Being Helen Keller couldn’t save you, you’d still have to sit and listen…
@TheBottleneckedGamer you sure we're thinking of the same Hellen Keller?
@@TheBottleneckedGamer I'm pretty sure it would be a great game if you were Helen Keller. Idk how anyone could make you do something you can't physically do.
Also Helen Keller is probably a myth. People say she flew a damn plane 😄
Bl2 is just as bad. last time my friend dragged me through it I had to turn off the voice acting to enjoy it
"If i see someone collects a lot of anime figures, i assume he likes a lot of anime, if i see someone who collects a lot of funko pops, i assume his wife is sleeping with someone else" - Some random guy on the Internet
😂😂
If I see someone collects a lot of anime figures, I assume he has dakimakura waifu instead of real wife
@@kormannn1 fair, but consider the following: touch grass
@@mauriceanderson5413 Often times the best jokes are a reflection of reality.
Wheres the lie?
my rule of thumb for character writing: get the character as a person down pat, how they talk, act, their personality traits and background. after you get that done, then you weave thematic elements into the character. this really helps me avoid making caricatures/authorial mouthpieces when i'm writing a story.
make them a person that can actually exist first, a narrative tool second.
I feel like you can always tell when writers think of a narrative tool and then create a character around that narrative tool because everything about the character seems forced. I personally struggled with this in my first couple of scripts and stories, until I finally started to essentially do what you do.
I always create the setting first, motivations second, and then from those two things, the characters personalities, and lastly thematic elements. Just like real life, we are who we are because of the circumstances we grew up in, which shaped are beliefs, values, biases, and motivations which in turn led to our personalities.
@@budthecyborg4575 not necessarily just acting, character in a narrative that are written well have a fundemental belief system and behavioral set. in my favorite game, pathologic 2, every notable character has something to gain and their own belief systems to push, and it makes the game compelling as a narrative.
@@MajinRixch hey that’s how I generally write too. *Most* characters end up appearing in my stories as a result of the setting and not really the plot, but I feel like that’s partly because I just enjoy world building a lot.
Imagine that... develop the character and then that character should respond genuinely in response to the world and conflict around them.
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I wish more writers understood this EXTREMELY SIMPLE concept. There are poorly written characters, and then even worse imo, there are characters that break their persona to insert some kind of narrative from the writer. It's so obvious to anyone paying remote attention, and I instantly lose any type of connection/understanding I might have made with the character.
yeah, we aren't born with complicated world views. Same way goes for making a believable character. Obviously you'll still have an idea or a purpose for the character existing in the first place , which could be, say, that they're an anti-capitalist.
All those people who were writing cringey fanfics on live journal and tumblr are now professional writers
It explains a lot
This! Your generation has grown up enough to have full time jobs now, and this is what was prevalent for many years, so that is what their comedy and writing style is mirrored from. I am 40 and mine is based around Dumb and Dumber and that era, movies for many years had that style of comedy. The the generation behind me was the Seth Rogan style, now the next gen is this style. It will always be this way, and people outside of that range and time will hate it.
@@ravenburns6600Its not about hating dumb and dumber tho? He's making a point about how due to its popularity, films that came after it followed its tropes and thus becoming oversaturated and cringe
its not a millennial thing tho, this is literally every generation. just wait till gen z are in there 30s-40s . the next gen will blame them too
"Professional"
Wattpad on the resume
I'm a 34 yr old indie developer who just found your videos and I gotta say, this is the most useful and true video I've seen in a long while. Everyone our age is a fucking loser
Amen we all suck.
A major issue with today's society is that a lot of people seem to think the world needs to approve of them. I remember growing up and being told that the only person that needed to approve of me, was me. But seeking approbation from the masses? As if I should care what other people think of me? You're never going to get everyone to even like you, so if you think people are going to call you what you tell them to, act like you tell them to, and follow your directions? No, it just won't happen.
Doing so just makes your own insecurity all the more apparent.
it's the social media acceptance and the quest for likes; find your niche and go bonkers = likes, or don't take risks and try to please everyone = likes. older gens being anti-establishment etc was cool, nowadays conformity is cool. it's fascinating
That's bad advice though. You should care very much about how people and your society regard you. Its called reputation. You'll never own a house without one.
@@calculator91 both of you are right, however there is a balance, obviously caring for your own looks to the point where you have to take a microscope to inspect every single negative aspect society finds wrong to eradicate it is wrong, and will make plastic people who simply “go with the flow”, becoming another leaf in the wind, however this does not simply mean one could run around like a nudist on doomsday or to scream bomb on a plane, there is a balance for everything
@@calculator91 There's a difference between reputation and accepting whatever "society" tells you. To paraphrase Men in Black, individuals are smart, the masses are dumb.
And you can own whatever you want without kowtowing to the masses, at least for now. I don't need to put prescribed phrases in my bio or toe the party line to have a good credit score.
The affection of the masses is fleeting and often not worth the effort of winning.
Its not about approval, its about control.
There are so many great authors in the world. I wish gaming and television shows would just hire them.
To many are white or not into pushing the victim complex narrative. So they aren't allow on the big stage.
@@AlexanderBC42 nepotism will always be around , the problem is they usually would give them behind the scenes type of jobs not something big like lead writer lol
@@F4c2a Which is made more annoying by the fact that they do this at the expense of the important messages the original writer already wrote into their work XD
They won't hire them unless they fit their LGBTQIASBEODSHE+ Quota.....
I thought that is what happened with Forspoken. Didn't S.E. hire a couple allegedly great authors for the writing? Look how that turned out :)
The Joss Wedon quote "make it dark, make it grim, then for the love of God tell a joke" reminds me of a much better way of looking at it and quote from one of the Expendable movies. "We keep it light until it's time to get dark. Then we get pitch black." The serious moments hit way harder when you keep it light up until those moments. Doing it the other way around just undercuts the serious moments.
Yeah, it's really awkward how Millennial writers speak in Joss's voice and write like him.
Arguably this is what made many of the early Marvel'verse enjoyable. It was fun/funny for most part but took serious moments seriously, maybe a possible quip from some character do it was more in their nature (and sometimes in bad times its best to still retain a degree of sense of humor).
yeah it's called contrast
So many millennial writers seem to take that Joss Whedon quote and run like it’s gospel without realizing that Joss Whedon was actually a talented director who knew how to manage the tone of a film.
Buffy and Angel were both masterpieces but Joss really did mass murder all Western entertainment for like 3 generations
I agree completely. Games are an ESCAPE from reality, not an alternate form of being fed the same shit we already experience. I'm all for people making games specifically catered to one group or the other but I don't like when they ruin existing franchises to try being trendy.
"The same people that went to school with Invader Zim backpacks and never grew out of it."
That was pretty savage, ngl.
Thankfully I only had a t-shirt!
Invader Zim was kinda funny ngl, I mean there was an episode where Zim put his nemesis into a lifetime simulation where he accomplished his dreams, only to take him out at the end and hit him with a cupcake as revenge.
Probably did all their shopping at Hot Topic. We called them “dad haters”.
@@OneEyedCloud01 It was a good show. But the people who idolized it where terrible writers.
Holds up spork
"They're not cool, but they're trying to write characters that are cool"
Reminder that Berserk was written by a dude that played Idol Master all day.
That guy was definitely a pedophile
What do you mean ? Berserk is always a shoujo manga. Can't you see the plethora of beautiful girl ?
There's always an exception.
Though, I do have my gripes with Guts, to be honest.
Mainly his enormous hunk of metal of a weapon, but that's not really related to his character itself.
Have you read Gigantomakia from Miura too?... If you haven't, go for it, I won't spoil anything tho.
You do know that that is wrong. It is just a meme in the Berserk Community why his chapters took so long. Truth was that at one point when he took a break he also mentioned he brought the new Idol Master.
If you notice, a lot of Japanese games feel kinda timeless.. they seem to actually try to stay far from “ trends” but rather general concepts of life..and character struggles.
The only thing that really dates a Japanese game is the technology of that time (alike a phone ), but I played a game]] that’s 10 years old, and I had no idea.. I thought it was released this year.
That’s good writing. Meta humor was killed by Deadpool. And apathetic writing is why writing is absolute crap
I'm not a weeb but this writing is so bad I watch anime now because its just what its supposed to be, entertainment. Millenials think kids shows need mature story's with messages and meaning while they ham fist their personal opinions in a kids cartoon.
Definitely. I'm 42, and i still feel like 1990 was 10 years ago, i feel like yesterday i turned 20. Until i go to do something and completely forget, or my knees pop or whatever... BUT. The worst part of realizing that I'm not that young anymore, is how embarrassing this zoomer humor is. I started to loathe certain things about the internet way back, and it only got worse over time. "Entertainment" today reflects too much of the internet upbringing and all the bad things that came with it.
This is why i love Japan, they're not on the zoomer millennial bandwagon pushing "nerd culture" and saying "yolo" and creating godawful atrocities like velma. They're the only place left for quality entertainment, and they tried to do American entertainment back in the 360 days, and they learned that it doesn't work. They know better. They do their own thing and right now i appreciate it more than i ever have in my life.
@@Oh-Ben liking anime doesn't make you a weeb. A japanese person can like a bunch of western stuff before being called a westaboo but for some reason if you like 1 thing japanese outside of sushi and cars then they call you a weeb. But yeah everything else is accurate.
Don't forget mistaking cynicism for being cool
@@Oh-Ben So just like anime? If you think Japanese writers don't put their own opinions or views into their work you're delusional. And since when is kid entertainment not about messenges?
Compare this to older games like, maybe try Ratchet Deadlocked.
I specifically cite that game because it's one of the earlier games that just couldn't stop talking shit. It has a lot of stuff they go off saying that is really condescending, but it actually fit in that game because it 1. Was all directed at Ratchet, the character who the player is supposed to identify with. And, 2. It was pushing an actual point and tone for the game.
The point in Ratchet Deadlocked was, ironically enough, the idea that the media has an agenda to push and they will slander and smear you with everything they've got, in a completely unfair way at every turn, making shit up when they can't twist events that have happened, and they are not your friends on any level.
And everyone knows it's true, and they did it in a "show" not "tell" sort of way. And it especially fit here, because the media in this case was unambiguously in service to the bad guy from the beginning.
Joss Whedon is chiefly responsible for all the "quirky" characteristics found in lots of video games and other media.
Like I saw this meme that was like if Joss Whedon wrote Dark Souls he'd have the unkindled one say "whoa buddy, are going hollow? You have a hollow-y type thingy going on."
I will die on this hill, it's too accurate.
Joss Whedon makes me hate being a nerd sometimes. I wish he had never been involved with the scene/culture, whatever you want to call it.
It got old 20+ years ago when Buffy was still new, but at least that show had some charm and at the time it was different. When so many TV shows and films use the same style of writing and dialog its just painful.
@@trolleriffic it's not even that the substance and delivery is bad most of the time, but not everyone talks like a generic Ubisoft game, relatable, hip, millennial protagonist with absolutely perfect timing, snappy one-liners, and means-tested catchphrases. There's a time and a place for that style of writing for sure, but I absolutely can't even begin to take most modern games seriously when most potential for growth or tension in conversation becomes overshadowed by yet another "awkwaaaaaaard" one-liner, comedy and quirkiness just for its own sake.
It's like every game and movie now wants to be an Uncharted or Buffy without considering the character nuances, tone, and context that made those works stand out to begin with. Not every line of dialogue has to be a pre-researched and painstakingly fabricated quip. The way these writers try to add life and personality to their characters often backfires simply because, well, people just don't talk like that most of the time. Not saying everything has to be an improvised and raw emotion either.
The new Spider-Man games are really good at getting you emotionally invested but people talk just a liiiiiiittle too artificially in those games to be believable in any meaningful sense. Just quips, banter, exposition for the most part.
With the difference that whadon has been mostly good in most of his works. His character still have deep and space for gravity. The problem is not him, but he establishing a successful way of doing something (dialogue that comes as fluent and funny) that everyone else is trying to imitate without knowing really what they are imitating. Its the standart in Hollywood anyway to have that actitude.
@@albertocruzado2899 Whedon's characters also frequently found themselves in very, VERY dire and/or tragic situations, which actually felt dire and tragic. The constant jokes felt more like characters using humor to try to cope after dealing with serious shit; they were a surface level to actually profound depths. Whereas something like Borderlands, IMHO, just feels flat. If the characters don't care about their situations and themselves, why should we?
This reminds me of the quote "The only story worth writing about is that of the heart at war with itself"
These people have no inner conflict. They're completely sure they're right so much so that even explaining the problem is beneath them, so they're just vomiting's self-assured conclusions at you.
Damn son, truer words have never been spoken
Thats a strong quote. Doubt and Struggle certainly create the experience to make proper stories. If you do neither, you have no journey, and the story will lack drive. Hm. I will use this quote to think in the future.
like a catholic
@@baron6148 Tolkien, C.S Lewis, Augustine were Catholic and wrote some of the best literary works in the history of the west.
Wow this is genuinely an amazing post. That quote is fantastic. Good stuff.
When he started talking about a game where a college student is broke and in debt, the first thing that came to my head was "didn't they do that in Sims 4?"
A Sims game is the best setting for that scenario, but they couldn't shoehorn their trigger words like "carbon footprint" into a game with no intelligible words.
@@Wearywastrel carboopin farplor bapanada
As a 34 year old, you’re on point. These are people my age that went into creative writing & video game design and got positions. But were losers back in the 2000’s.
It's not about collecting Funko Pops. It's about people who define their personality by "being so quirky to collect Funko Pops".
correct. 30:09
They're still way overpriced where I live, so for me it's kinda retarded.
Then again I heard of 12/24 eggs being worth over ten dollars so maybe they aren't that bad
These aren’t Millenials. These are gen z
@@Garl_Vinland Tbh, yeah, in poor countries like mine it is primarily gen z and the tryhards of the millennial generation. Though idk, at first I saw how most were those born in say 95 and 99.
I have a Goku Funko Pop figure. It's not that that by itself is a problem. It's just a red flag.
The best example of a modern game with the kind of writing these devs are trying to strive for is Hi-Fi Rush it's got all the charm and quirkiness these writers are trying to force into their games only difference is that these people actually care about and know what their doing and nothing comes off as forced or cringy.
Games always function as form of escapism to enter your imagine land when you have enough of real word and preaching about carbon footprint etc. nobody want to play animated copy of RL mixed with twitter dialogues and again be bombarded with all "issues" of the world. Also not everything must have depth and moral lesson or arc dealing with today problems, people love stupid fun without story like in old games.
@@Pedgo1986 Too true
How is the game? Gameplay looks real fun but if it’s shit I’d rather not waste my money.
My brother says Hi Fi Rush is cringe comedy even though he has never seen any videos about it, even though it's not really cringe comedy.
@@latkepotatopancake9812 let's just say it's God's way of apologizing for the travesty known as Forspoken
i'm a millennial and sometimes i do catch myself talking like this, but hearing it parroted back in video games and movies is like nails on chalkboard. it's making me self conscious to the point that i consciously try to change the way i write and speak 😅
That's a good thing! Make that change!
@@heroinmom153says heroin mom 😂
People aren’t self aware anymore, people don’t watch their own content, so they don’t hear themselves on camera.
While I was fresh out of highschool, I would say "like" a lot. It was easy getting in that habit whenever I thought of the next words I would use during conversation. Never realizing that it only made me sound like a valley girl.
It wasn't until an older guy I knew who ran the nearby deli mimicked my speech that I felt embarrassed and thought about my speech. So now all I do is simply pause before coming up with my next words. That is all. I then noticed other young people would speak the same way and I'd get second hand embarrassment along with the reminder of how I was
You need to do better, or just continue being terrible. It's really up to you.
14:34 There would be a lot of overlap there. They smoke one blunt or take one mushroom-fueled trip, and next thing you know they think they’re enlightened and the messiah’s incarnation.
The thing is, its not that these people are trying to act younger than they are. They just never actually matured. They are being 100% authentic, but this is just who they are.
I'm a gen z who was far more mature than two of my millennial friends, and as a result, I was shoehorned into the role of couple's therapist for people 6 and 10 years older than I had been at the time of knowing them. I gave up on them when I developed the self awareness to realize they weren't my problem. Now, I'm not "mature for my age" or anything like that, I just happened to be more grown-up than the "grown-ups" at age 20, which is a serious problem. Both of them were creative-types as well, and their writing styles and characters were like something I'd expect to find in a middle school's trash bin. I would later meet other millennials in D&D groups, and they acted the same, if not worse due to a superiority complex, taking it as license to bully anybody younger than them for not doing something they wanted. Gen z is not by any means perfect, but I know far less people my age who still think and act like seventh graders. So you are absolutely correct, a lot millennials are just children who never grew up, but will complain incessantly about "having to grow up too fast."
@@augurypleasant4506 as an older zoomer myself (‘99 bday), well said my friend. we have our own problems due to our generation’s early overexposure to the internet, but at least we aren’t like most millenials - grown children who legitimately think they’re the smartest and most mature people in the room. this has unfortunately led to pop culture as a whole suffering due to their influence (the quality of movies and shows have also taken a dive due to other problems like bad writing)
@@kaphizmey6229 Sorry to break it to you son but you are a millenial also. Gen Alpha '12-'22, Z '01-'11 Millenial '90-'00, Gen Y '89-'79 and so on.
@@Judasdfg first of all, generations are measured in 1.5 decade increments, not 1 decade (gen alpha is 2012-2025, gen z is 1997-2011, gen y/millennials are 1981-1996, gen x is 1965-1980, etc). second, gen y and millennials are the exact same thing; what you’re calling “gen y” is actually gen x (which is my mom’s generation as she was born in 1966). and lastly, even if all your claims were true i would still personally identify far more with zoomers than i would with millennials based on life experience alone. nice try, my guy
You’re proud of being the most mature person in a d&d group?
Entering the work force is going to be a cold splash of water to your face.
Get better friends and stop blaming the company you choose to keep for your failings.
The way you phrase this exactly explains why the end of RDR2 where you build the house is so satisfying. "You have a house John." "And so do you, Uncle" there was no snide remark at Uncle for a cheap laugh.
The masculine urge to explore the wilderness and build a home with your drunken self-appointed uncle to win back your wife and kid.
Nah bro they should’ve written “And so do you Uncle. SYKE GOTTEM!” that would’ve been so funny on god fr fr. And when Uncle got kidnapped by the Skinner gang, bro, some many fire joke opportunities and they missed them all. Nah bruh their writing ain’t it fam
Spoiler alert geez😢
I’ve noticed this especially after Forspoken and I’m getting sick and tired of it. I blame the MCU with Marvel humor and Joss Whedon( note I adore his past work like Buffy) for giving writers the signal that you need to be “quirky” in order to be enduring. No you don’t. Sometimes you can have a character be silent or stoic or chooses their words carefully. Isaac from the Dead Space remake is a good example. If I am postulate, I’d suspect this is a byproduct of writers either trying to act current or wanting to stand out. You know how you standout? Write a good story and characters. People individuals can get behind. They don’t have to be perfect, Walter White is a cool example, but they don’t need to be complete a holes either.
I see people blaming the MCU everywhere.
@@michaelknox3715 Yeah. I don’t want to pin everything on Marvel because Marvel humor in the early phases isn’t bad. The problem is when that humor creates bathos. The idea being that it is used to undercut a serious moment because the studio doesn’t trust the audience to accept a serious moment. Some of the more recent films have had this problem and it’s why I enjoyed a film like Civil War and Infinity War a lot because it had sparring humor and allowed the drama to fully sink in. Overall, genre and tone matter but I do think that the MCU helped indirectly proliferate a lot of bathos with humor. Contrast this with something like the Kung Fu Panda films( the first two) where the comedy was physical based or character but that never interfered with the drama or story.
I only rly saw Marvel humor in Forspoken in the quips.
The writing seems to be played straight from where I'm on chapter 3. Frey's concept seems to be mega cynical orphan who shows her compassion for those like her. It also seems like ppl would've wanted Auden, a supporting character, to have been the protagonist if they weren't busy with cringing over Frey's dialogue.
Granted, I never watched Marvel movies so I dont have a good image of it in my head.
MCU is one of the worst things to happen to all media. Its pretty much destroyed any sort of creativity in mainstream films.
@@DONWASABIJUAN The MCU I argue started off great in that it did something that we’ve seen briefly, a shared cinematic universe( monsters from universal) but did it well and naturally Hollywood tired to copy it because they want easy money. However when things get popular and a shared universe grows it can metastasize into something unforeseen. In Marvel’s case, it’s them needing everything to be interconnected no matter what and that quirky humor being their flagship. Even though the charm of the earlier phases was when crossovers happened , they meant something. The avengers assembling for the first time had a purpose. But you could argue a lot of this is also due to the novelty going away as well. Regardless, I do think with it stagnating and CB movies plateauing it’s opening an avenue for new content to rise. At least I hope. Variety is the spice of life and while I like CB movies I want them to be good and also have some other things.
I agree with the point about editing, there was an entire youtube analysis about how Star Wars was saved in the edit.
As a 35 year old writer who was never cool, I'm glad I accepted that and never cared about being cool and did my own thing. I cringe when I write anything close to this. Also, I'm glad I have a fully functioning prefrontal cortex and realize the difference between IN WORLD politics and REAL WORLD politics.
My soydar is beeping. Please do a 360 and walk away.
Coolness is relative. I went to high school during the tail end of the edgy mall goth era. I was cool back then, because my interests aligned with the cultural conception of "coolness". Even a few years later, I would have been uncool or tryhard/cringe. I'm not cool anymore and that's okay.
@@snoweh1 why ppl don't see difference between 180 and 360° anymore
Not caring and doing your own thing is what being cool is 🤣 I think you confused actual cool with posers.
@@Sobo184my god "do a 360 and walk away" that was funny
My biggest issue with gearbox writing is if the characters in the story arent taking the situation seriously, how am i supposed to?
@@A-wy5zm it is more like:
They don't take (in their world) things seriously.
So why care about the written plot? Or why even buy the game?
@@A-wy5zm It's not that the game should be serious in tone it's that the characters in the story should care about what's happening if we're supposed to care too
@@A-wy5zm idk why you’re taking this personally mate, nobody’s saying it’s a bad game but that doesn’t mean the writing can’t be flawed
@@A-wy5zm the first part: seems you didn't even played the previous titles.
Doom part: the problem with your comparison is the focus. In Doom, the gratification is not the story nor any point based system, but the gore is the self-gratification. In BL? The plot.
If the writing sucks, in a plot focused game, then guess what? the game will suck.
At this point just make a new IP and go ballistic with your writing, but they won't do that, why? because they don't have faith in their own writing.
@@A-wy5zmI mean when Roland dies in BL2 it's taken seriously
I saw an interesting video about how the entire gaming industry is controlled by people who come from money. People with accents indicating a lower economic class, or people who "dress poor" tend to get pushed out of big studios. So basically, you have a lot of fairly wealthy young people with limited experiences being put in charge of some of the most anticipated games in the entire world.
So even in instances where you have cultural diversity in a game studio, you don't have any actual wealth disparity, so all of the people in the studio are most likely to be fairly well off millennials who grew up in a city, and those that aren't, regardless of how talented they may be, slowly get pushed out because they don't dress as nice, or talk as fancy as everyone else.
Do you know what that video was called? That's a really intriguing phenomenon
@@Skibbutz yes. "The game industry is failing the working class" by People Make Games
Nobody wants to be surrounded by trash
@@THamm-xt8jm then why do those game studios fill their entire offices with trash?
@@THamm-xt8jm the irony
I'm 35, was homeschooled, and never popular. But, I can write a compelling narrative with likeable characters and interesting set pieces.
The problem isn't the age of the writers, or their life experiences; the problem is that companies and corporations are demanding that "THE MESSAGE" be inserted into every aspect of the narrative from characters and dialogue, to plot and settings.
It's extremely hard to write a good story when your employer is standing behind you with a separation notice at the ready while saying "Everything has to be gay, Marxist, Left Wing shit or you're going to flipping burgers for the rest of your life!"
This corporate mentality has caused good writers to fall out of the industry, and hack writers to fill the vacuum left by those who were infinitely more talented than themselves.
Corporatism is the new Mafia
The problem with references arises when they don't make sense in universe for the media its in. If a reference confuses someone who doesn't 'know' then its a bad, lazy reference. Usually, but not always, these references are added in for cheap nostalgia or to bring out some emotions to make up for a lazier / worse baseline for the media.
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Like the game Smite. As much as I prefer the gameplay of Smite over League, Riot is still the slightly better company because they're not stupid enough to make Nickelodeon skins from tv shows that were cancelled over 15 years ago. If I wanted to play a game with dead shows, I'd go play some kind of Nickelodeon game they had like once or twice of PS2 or some shit. My generation of gaming is over. Doesn't mean I have to stop gaming. It means that gaming companies need to stop pandering to my generation. It's the era of the Zoomers and Alphas now. Every joke and pop culture reference should be made from THEIR generations, not mine. If I wanted pop culture from the Millennial gen, I'd just play old games. I'm currently running HP and the Chamber of Secrets, and would never want it remade fully. I just wish it was remastered, to be easier to play on new tech. I want the future of HP games to be what Hogwarts Legacy is doing. It's using lore that wasn't used in the original games, books, and movies, and then adding its own spin on it to modernize it more. Old shit should only be INSPIRATION for new. It shouldn't be constantly rebooted and remade over and over again, just copies of its older selves. Because I lived through the cringe of the 2000s, and it was fun! I used to completely say EPIC to everything, as well as YOLO and even SWAG sometimes. But seeing games trying to bring back that humor makes me want to hurl myself off a cliff
I think it is fine if it is used once or twice and for one character only. And only if that character grew up in that time (or is obsessive), to convey how obnoxious or idiotic that character is or to be lighthearted. But when every single character does this it makes me think I am seeing 20-30 of the same person (looking at you Marvel).
The consumers are also the problem too here. While your point is right in terms of the writing in games it also comes down to the actual games released. How many remakes re-releases or reboots of existing games have there been and how many fans of games call or want their favourite olds games to receive that treatment? The writing reflects this because the researchers and executives believe that that nostalgia aspect is important to pander to in many different ways.
@@vietnamesericefarmer2602 I agree but I think it depends on the game as well and how it is treated. For example the Dead Space remake. This remake took a 15 year old title (that I played a lot mind you) and gave it lots of visual and gameplay overhauls and generally made it better than the original. But then you have TLoU Remake that just took the visuals and did nothing else (and wasn’t that old to begin with).
young generation of writers, who grew up more on social media than reading books
Nah it’s people who 0 passion in storytelling.
I have heard this being thrown around a lot and I seriously doubt that you can just "fix" this by telling them to read books.
There have likely been a lot of writers in the past that wrote horrible stuff. And if books are supposed to fix it then why are there also shitty writers in the older generations that grew up with books?
I agree with Lil' Mint here that these people just don't have the passion for storytelling.
Wrong, they never grew up lol.
Millenials definitely did not grow up on social media. That would be Gen Z. Most millennials were already adults when social media was starting to come out.
@@acutelilmint8035 I hold a great passion for writing and can confirm, even if I am not the most well-versed on certain subjects, people still LIKE what I write (Adults and kids alike). IF you write with 0 passion, it shows, trust me.
Fallout 1-2 was packed full of pop-culture references, but it also had a carefully crafted world, thought-provoking lore and story, grey moral choices and meaningful, interesting characters and environment and atmosphere. It is a game that you can play through 27+ times over decades and it will still show you something new and cool. I miss games like that, and i think Skyrim was the last game similar to it, like 13 something years ago, plus Cyberpunk 2077 maybe borderline got there.
1 is so much better imo. 2's references kinda reminds me of modern games in the way a lot of the the references are just too much and often not funny or meaningful
F2 definitely exaggerated on the pop culture stuff
@@jackywackysmacky4031 found the scientologist lol
@@demigodxhero ?
@@jackywackysmacky4031 F2 had the hubologists which was a reference to scientology eh surprised big fans of the early games don't get that!
So glad I started watching you & that I found this vid. I was curious about your channel after I noticed some people in the MHW subreddit trying to farm "Asmongold hate" because you were playing the game. I had no idea who you were, but my husband (a long time WoW player) knew who you were... so I decided to check you and form my own opinions.
An important detail that people forget is that this generation grew up on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon shows where they always had this kind of writing. Where the characters would be like "High five! Anyone? Oh, I guess you're gonna leave me hanging. I see how it is. This is awkward..." *laugh track*
@@cattysplat Tbf, back then you had to actually *wait* for your favorite show to come on. So there was literally nothing else to watch unless you had a DVD/VHS player and some movies to watch.
I have to disagree to that, because, yes, we did have those shows, but let's not forget the mass of shows that had more than just corny humor. Plenty of cartoons back then had really clever humor, touching moments, and fantastic writing; in their own right. Shows like Powerpuff Girls(earlier seasons), Dexter Laboratory(again, earlier seasons), Courage the Cowardly Dog, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Rugrats, Spongebog Squarepants(early seasons), Samurai Jack, Transformers: Beast Wars, ReBoot, and the list goes on and on. Let's not rag on old cartoons like they were only known for potty humor or cringe inducing dialogue, because, yes, we did have those, but I'd say they didn't reach the heights of the many MANY good cartoons that everyone holds dealing.
And hell, even nowadays we still have some killer cartoons like Bojack Horseman, Owl House, Wonder Over Yander, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Infinity Train, Glitch Techs, to name a few. I wouldn't say just because we grew up with cartoons or even watch them still, there's not some of them that are done extremely well.
@@XDarkEcho they arent talking about cartoons they are talking about those cringy ass shows like life of charlie and jesse they were jammed full with corny ass dialogue
@@XDarkEcho oh my god, I can't believe you unironically just went "kids these days don't have good cartoons like we did"
Like shut the fuck up. If I was a kid, I would hate you
@@boshwa20 I literally just said there ARE good cartoons out there. I don't watch them as much as I used to, obviously, being an adult and having my own responsibilities which take up my time to enjoy the things I used to enjoy. I've only seen some of these newer shows, thanks to my younger family members(Owl House being a show they watch prominently), and seeing there are still good and well developed kid shows out there.
It's a fact, that cartoons haven't hit that stride, nowadays at least, on how great the Golden Age of cartoons were back in the 90s and early 2000s. In no way did I say, "Kids these days don't have good cartoons like us", because they DO have some of them that are good; I've just been unfortunate to see mainly the really bad ones(though, I suppose I'm just biased then).
22:25 We used to aspire to be the characters in our fiction and live up to their ideals, now we aspire to create characters that mirror us and tell us our shortcomings and flaws are fine.
Who's "we?" Don't lump me in with them.
I feel like that bad writing. I think there is some good self indulgence if it keeps good storytelling in mind. Like a lot of these games are just pitting themselves rather than actually writing a character that develops through a character arc and have them learn is great. Bioshock is political but the writers were actually cleaver and nuanced in writing to the story.
Damnn
No we please 🥺
I don't want to be squared up with them.
After seeing a game like Forspoken release I feel most people have been asking the question as to why writing feels the way it is these days, and this this video with Asmon’s perspective hit the nail on the head. Its not just video games but almost all forms of media that has been plagued by these writing decisions. As a millennial myself, it all to feels like we are a generation that was raised to be perpetual children to consume whatever is placed In front of us.
Did forspoken make that much money that you think millennials are just consuming whatever is in front of them? Your evidence doesn’t really support your claim in this case, but my claim would be that millennials are dumb as hell and provide counter evidence to their claim, which may actually be a valid claim if provided the right evidence.
we were the first generation on average to live in with our parents till our late 20’s. it is weird when you step back and look at the whole picture
I feel like it’s more of an American millennial issue
@@Hypno_BPM thats is a thing only in the US where you have (or had) so much land and money that leaving the house at 18 made sense. Most other countries never had that kind of luxury and it has always been normal to stay with your parents for a longer time.
@@Hypno_BPM lol and why do you think that is? Our great grandparents, grandparents took our money from SSI along with the government. Every war paid for was payed for by the generation's to come and, it all came to a head during the millennials time. Each generation after us will continue to get poorer.
My brother in law works at pawn shop, and all he used to do was collect funkopops because he thought their value would go up and them being "collectors" items made them valuable. To the point he has an app on his phone that keeps track of the market/resell value. I took me like 5 minutes to talk him into buying gold and gold jewelry woth his money instead. All i basically said was "why would you trade paper money for plastic that deteriorates when you can trade your paper money for tangable gold currency at 20% store discount". The next time i saw him he had big gold watch on, a gold chain and some gold rings 😂 all he does is buy jewellery now. The funko pop thing is a disease man 😂
Good on you for helping guide him to a better, more successful path
To be honest Tanis had INCREDIBLE backstory in b2 on why she speaks and behaves that way. She was tortured out of her mind. She is literally crazy. But in b3 gearbox just shifted her into typical girlpower character, turning one of the most tragic, and brilliant characters into blank shell of herself. Just like every one of the b2 characters.
You hit the nail right on the head.
I enjoyed Borderlands 3 quite a bit, but I miss Anthony Burch.
Apparantly he was part of New Tales, but I have yet to play it, nor do I know how much he was actually involved.
@@flackenstien Anthony Burch was a massive part of the problem.
@@zedas1 Well, I don't agree with half of what I saw in this video.
Borderlands 2 was a phenom of comedic writing.
Borderlands literally exist out of goofy humor and it works within that Universe. BL3 was good but the writing and character development of some previously known characters was..meh
When I was in high school, I had to hide the fact that I watched anime and did other "nerdy" things. Now in days everyone calls themselves nerds just because they know about Dragon Ball or they watched an episode of One Piece. It's like those accounts on Twitter where they post cosplay pictures with captions like "do you want to watch anime with me?"
Mainstream nerd culture is ruining nerd culture. It used to be cool finding different people who enjoyed the same thing and now we have people who hate what we love and want to change it/insert their own ideology into it.
And if you point this out, they'll try to gaslight you by saying something like "you weren't bullied for liking anime, you were bullied because you tried to do the Kamehameha during recess and did the Naruto running". Kids nowadays cannot accept the fact that anime and other nerdy stuff wasn't mainstream until mid-2010s
For real. I literally had to keep that shit secret from people on the football team and others that i was "friends" with. Because my real friends and I would be doing shit like talking about anime, video games, and this homemade ttrpg someone we knew was making while we played yugioh hiding behind a stairwell on lunch break. Because we knew people would just give us unrelenting shit for it.
Fr man. I was semi-popular amongst all the groups and I hid a lot of things I liked because I was afraid it would make me look bad. Wwe was something I used to LOVE. I never told a soul. Anime was another thing I hid. Even playing certain video games would make you look “nerdy.”
Crazy how times changed
I've never had to hide that I liked Anime, Warhammer and DnD. I also happen to be 6'1 and, back then I had a lot of anger issues.
One time a guy tried to mock my hair (I wore an Afro) and I literally broke a toilet bowl with his face, when his friends came to wreck me, the rest of my crew fucked them up so I never got much of a problem in highschool.
Remember those days in school where you would say something and got a laugh and someone would inevitably ask “where is that from?”
Unable to even fathom that someone could be entertaining without referencing something else. Those people are making media now.
Dude, I draw as a hobby since I was small, and everytime, EVERYTIME, someone sees me drawing, they ask "Did you create this?". This is single most occurring response, the second is "Can you draw me?".
Originality and creativity seem to be unfathomable things nowadays, apparently
@@phosspatharios9680 MY GOD, that is so annoying, "were are the clothes" , "where is the face" , why this, why that, why these people don't shut their mouths?
@@phosspatharios9680 it’s been gone for a while in people and hugely in entertainment especially modern Hollywood these kids are growing up in the age of remakes and rebooting old stuff from when there parents were kids and that’s just sad but also scary imo where are movies gonna be in 20 years when everything was already rebooted?
I use to think I was cool, then my 13 year old told me I wasn't. She's right, I'm 35, what I think is cool was only maybe cool 15 years ago.
I definitely agree that kids are no stupider today than they were in the 90's. The biggest difference is kids today have platforms and social media to post the stupidity on. With the way the internet has evolved since the 90's, the stupid shit that people do spreads around so much easier, and a lot of kids will follow trends because they think it makes them look cool. That's been happening forever, but I honestly feel like it's worse now than ever before, and writers, whether it be for a show, a game, or a movie, see those trends and think "Hey, if we follow this trend too, we could make a ton of money" and prioritize that over actually making a well written story.
It used to be if someone said something stupid, everyone around them would call them stupid, then they'd realize maybe they're being stupid.
Now with social media if someone says something stupid, they find many other stupid people and start thinking everyone else are the stupid ones and block them.
The problem is people are growing up slower, we got grown ass adults who're 21 years old and still refer to themselves as kids, basically man-children and women-children... Shits fucked up and pathetic...
@@luxie8097 yep, you can always escape to your little echo chamber. This is only fueling further insanity, humans are just not ready for this
@@whitingsandwich makes sense since we're managing to get older easier. It's good to keep your inner child as it helps with creativity and maturing stagnates your brain, but of course humans always have to exaggerate and blow it out of proportion!
God I still look back to my past stupid ass thought skinny jeans were cool, gives me goosebumps every time....
I think the worst I've seen was in one the marvel movies where the writers inserted the screaming goats meme into the movie to pull the viking ship, and I was sitting in the theater wondering how the producer and director even allowed this to make it into the movie, let alone worked on at all. I should've walked out and got a refund, it was downright anoying.
Well, Thor having two goats to pull his vehicle is one of the few things Marvel Thor actually took from the original Viking sagas. Seriously, look up Tanngnjost and Tanngrisner and see for yourself.
@@blondbraid7986but where they screaming goats?
@@razor6827 Yes, they were screaming goats in Norse Mythology. It's a real legit thing.
@@razor6827 Yes. They were. That's what's so tragic lol
@@TheeGlocktopusyou can make screaming goats characters without making that their whole character
I think the biggest issue with writing in games is that they don’t really understand subtly anymore. They have to put the allegory in boldfaced letters right on the screen without going all that deep into it and then treating the players like children who aren’t capable of understanding it by explaining the joke to you.
This. Yes. The punchline to that accent 'joke' 10 years ago would have been, "By the way, didn't you say you were 100% German?" It's not funny to say the implication out loud. It's like all the jokes are being explained as they are told.
To be fair, a lot of people nowadays can't or _won't_ understand subtlety.
The problem is that people can't understand subtlety or anything with any amount of ambiguity, so they then take to twitter to deliver "hot takes" about how [insert media here] is problematic because it has underlying themes of xyz-phobia, and then the braindead crowd on twitter, all of whom have the collective IQ of a moldy onion jump on the bandwagon to lead a righteous crusade to cancel whoever was behind the media. And god forbid you try and offer an analysis contrary to the narrative they've set their minds on, since they dismiss any and all criticism with deflection and name calling.
Idiocracy was a documentary.
I don't always walk in with some of your takes but as soon as you said Invader Zim backpack you brought me right back to a Hot Topic in Nebraska where I made a choice LOL