A Protestant YouTuber and a Catholic Apologist Face Off 😳

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  • @CameronRiecker
    @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    Thank you, Dillon, for coming on my channel!! 🤔🤔
    If you had one argument to convince Dillon that the Catholic Faith was the one true one, what would you tell him?

    • @truthnotlies
      @truthnotlies 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      If baptism is not an essential doctrine that is saying that Jesus' command and great commission is not essential. If Protestants can't agree on the meaning, mode, or type of baptism then there is a massive problem. Moving it to the "non-essential" list of items does not solve the problem at all, and undermines what God says.

    • @myronmercado
      @myronmercado 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Dillon replied to one of comments on his video that many famous Church fathers disagree with Catholic beliefs. I wonder if he realizes that the disagreements he is seeing is actually so minute compared to the great majority of Church fathers who believes the Catholic church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ.

    • @jacobwoods6153
      @jacobwoods6153 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Just tell him to read St. Francis de Sales Controversies lol. Shoot I'll send it to him as a Christmas gift. 💀

    • @RitaGatton
      @RitaGatton 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      The most intimate, amazing experience that we can ever have with Our Lord is receiving Him in the Holy Eucharist.

    • @darrellperez1029
      @darrellperez1029 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      To stop making proclamations based on "his' interpretation as he has often said it in his videos.

  • @theprotestantreset
    @theprotestantreset 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +150

    Can't lie, my wife and I had a good laugh at the Thumbnail! "Honey, are we going to become Catholic?" Thank you for having me on Cameron. Had a great time!

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      Glad you got a good laugh out of it!! That's what I was hoping for!!
      Thanks for coming on! I'd love to touch base again in a month or so and follow up again!
      Christ's peace, brother.

    • @wm6134
      @wm6134 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I really enjoyed how the both of you interacted with each other. One thing I found interesting is that I assume you would accept the God in three persons (not modes or expressions), which isn't specifically stated in the Bible. The concept is there, but it's not specifically written that way. Moreover, Jesus Christ as a divine person with a fully human nature and fully divine nature in hypostatic union is not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there. The pope is not not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there (Isaiah 22:22). You accept the not specifically stated for the first two but don't apply the same standard for the papacy. I find that interesting epistemologically. Thanks again to the both of you! It was great and you are both so humble!

    • @joyhenry-dp8nd
      @joyhenry-dp8nd 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      It was fun to see you both discussing together. I was a Protestant Christian for a very long time and now Catholic. It’s been such a privilege to be in full union to Christ’s church and receive the graces of God through confirmation, confession and the Eucharist. Have you read brant Pitre’s books- Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist/jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary? (There are SO many amazing books, resources and podcasts out there but these two books are amazing to start out:)

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please check out Dr. Brant Pitre book Jesus and Jewish roots of the Eucharist. Catholics didn't randomly try out a bunch of different things and arrive at the Liturgy. It developed as a continuation of our Jewish heritage which is the heritage of Jesus, Apostles and the early disciples.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Brant Pitre covers the basis of the Liturgy in, Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist. It wasn't a random process of trying out different things.

  • @stevenstuart4194
    @stevenstuart4194 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +75

    Great video! FYI, Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian minister before conversion.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Thank you 😊 I misspoke!

    • @BensWorkshop
      @BensWorkshop 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@CameronRiecker You did. I have noted it in my book.... ;)

  • @colebarton9816
    @colebarton9816 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    I have enjoyed watching Dillon appear on other channels over the last few days. His attitude towards new ideas is so encouraging. He is confident in his beliefs yet absolutely willing to walk down this road of discovery. As a Protestant exploring Catholicism myself, this is encouraging. Thank you both!

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I hope to see you in mass one day 😄

    • @jberrocalucf
      @jberrocalucf 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes ..biblical masculinity “ interesting on a philosophical scale. As in anima animus but of course those aren’t gendered.

    • @liberatewethepeople9121
      @liberatewethepeople9121 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Come on home Cole! Our mother always brings her children home! Praise be God!!🙏🏼

  • @TruthSeeker1215
    @TruthSeeker1215 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    Oh man…I distinctly remember when I first started investigating like this and dialoguing with Catholics that there came a point when I really wanted it to be true but I was also afraid that it was true. Why? Because while I had spent my Christian life up to that point condemning the idea of one person (the Pope)…an imperfect man…having the final say on faith and morals…I began to realize that I had always placed MYSELF in that role! I had the final say for myself when it came to what I believed was true. I had the final say for myself when it came to whether or not a church I attended or joined was teaching what I believed was biblically sound doctrine. I had the final say on what I believed was a sin or what was not. I had the final say on all matters of faith and morals for myself! And yet…I readily admitted that I was not perfect either! That had always been my mode of operation, so giving that up was terrifying.

    • @TheHolyOnes33
      @TheHolyOnes33 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Martin luther didn't get rid of one pope he created millions.

    • @cfG21
      @cfG21 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The pope is lile a referee. Not a king...he is infallible in autjprity, nlt infallible im character...those are two differemt things..
      Jesus is divine..the pope is a human being given authority

  • @ilyHxC365
    @ilyHxC365 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    I feel like I might be watching a conversion story in real time. Praying for Dillon on his journey 🙏 This was a beautiful conversation. Thank you.

  • @scottmcdonald6201
    @scottmcdonald6201 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    The point made about a lack of maturity has a great deal of truth to it. When I speak with Protestants, it often doesn't seem like they fully grasp the issues I raise.

  • @nelsonsierra9
    @nelsonsierra9 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    This was a wonderful conversation between a Catholic and a Protestant. I think he needs to be helped understanding some bible passages that talk about communion of saints, Peter as the pope, and so on. I do see him being opened to learning about all these things. He just needs some guidance.

    • @windyday8598
      @windyday8598 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      point is, having searched diligently, he cannot find any of that in the bible.

    • @ddzl6209
      @ddzl6209 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Gates of hell will take care of all satanic cult believing idiots of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man

  • @michaelgeorgio7780
    @michaelgeorgio7780 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    In answer to the question “Why isn’t the Papacy mentioned in the Dideche, I would reference the U S Constitution as an example. Nowhere in the Constitution is the word “Governor” mentioned, yet all 50 States have one.

    • @georgefuentes4112
      @georgefuentes4112 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Amen!

    • @billlee2194
      @billlee2194 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Great point.

    • @Kitiwake
      @Kitiwake 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Even if you look at holy scripture, it doesnt flow as a piece of literature or as a well wrritten instruction manual. It needs an history to make it alive. Another word for that is "tradition" or a respected history.

  • @rookiedriver6770
    @rookiedriver6770 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    He will be Catholic if keeps looking into what first and second century Christians “hanged there hat on”. Will probably be a great Catholic apologist 😅

    • @windyday8598
      @windyday8598 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      the first century church "devoted themselves to the apostles doctrine....."

    • @edurado1996
      @edurado1996 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Absolutely agree. The more you dig, the more you end up at Rome.

    • @bcalvert321
      @bcalvert321 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@edurado1996 Those who ended up in Rome were beheaded or crucified.

    • @edurado1996
      @edurado1996 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ no better death than in the name of Christ 🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @modernjosephus356
      @modernjosephus356 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The problem with the statement "what first and second century Christians 'hanged their hats on'" is that as soon as Christ rose from the dead the divisions began. Also, the Catholic Church does not in anyway resemble the New Testament church.

  • @mariocano2767
    @mariocano2767 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Just seven minutes into the video and I get a feeling of a future conversion from Dillon to Catholicism 🙏😁

  • @thisisforgod868
    @thisisforgod868 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    Satan was so cunning that he tried to use the Bible against the Catholic Church where it came from. God responded by dividing Protestantism into more than 50,000 denominations much like what he did to Babylon while the Catholic Church endured, grew and multiplied in the 4 corners of the world just as he promised that the gates of Hell won’t prevail against his church.

    • @Spuckley.
      @Spuckley. 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Source: trust me bro/head canons

    • @Lone-Lee
      @Lone-Lee 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@Spuckley.
      Dude, seriously?
      If you don't see that the Protestant movement is divided into thousands of denominations with contradicting teachings, all due to it's own teaching of "Sola Scriptura", you are seriously out of touch.

    • @Spuckley.
      @Spuckley. 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Lone-Lee please enlighten me on where it says in scripture that says that the bible isn't the only truth.

    • @Lone-Lee
      @Lone-Lee 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@Spuckley.
      That’s not what I or the OP claimed. Our point is that the doctrine of *Sola Scriptura* has led to divisions within the Protestant movement, resulting in thousands of denominations with often contradictory teachings.
      If you believe in *Sola Scriptura*, the burden of proof is on you to show where this principle is explicitly taught in Scripture. After all, a doctrine claiming the Bible alone is authoritative should itself be clearly found in the Bible, right?
      By the way, in the first few centuries of Christianity, there wasn’t a complete New Testament canon. Early Christians relied on oral tradition, some of which were later written down and compiled into the Bible by the Catholic Church. The canon wasn’t finalized until the late 4th century, and even then, it wasn’t widely available for centuries because copies were handwritten.
      Most importantly, Jesus didn’t leave us with a book; He left us with a Church (Matthew 16:18). The Church came first, guided by the Holy Spirit, and it was through this Church that Scripture itself was preserved and proclaimed. Without the Church, there would be no Bible to appeal to in the first place.

    • @Spuckley.
      @Spuckley. 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Lone-Lee 2 Peter 1:16-2:2: The Bible is described as the only source of certain truth.
      Proverbs 30:5: States that every word of God is true.
      James 1:18: States that God gave birth to humans through the word of truth.
      John 17:17-26: States that the word of God is truth.
      John 8:32: Jesus says that the truth will set people free.
      Ephesians 4:25: States that God wants his followers to be people of truth.
      Psalm 145:18: States that the Lord is close to those who call on him in truth.
      Proverbs 23:23: States that people should buy truth and not sell it.
      Ephesians 6:10-17: Presents the "belt of truth" as the first piece of spiritual armor.
      It never says I'm scriptures that things that aren't in bible concerning the topic of Jesus Christ/God can be true.
      The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia, which is a combination of the words kaleo (to call) and the prefix ek (out). It literally translates to "the called out ones" or "an assembly".
      In the Classical period, ekklesia was used to refer to an official assembly of citizens. In the New Testament, it was used to describe the local church. The word conveys the idea that God intended for the church to be a powerful and influential force in the community, rather than a hidden group.
      The English word "church" is actually derived from the Greek word kuriakon, which means "dedicated to the Lord". Kuriakon was often used to refer to a holy place or temple. When the New Testament was translated from Greek to Latin, it became customary to use a derivative of kuriakon to translate ekklesia. This led to the English word "church" becoming associated with a sacred building.
      "Rock" as a metaphor:
      While Peter's name "Petros" means "rock" in Greek, the word used here ("petra") signifies a larger, more solid rock, suggesting the core truth of Jesus' divinity as the foundation of the church.
      Peter's confession:
      The "rock" is not just Peter, but the confession he made about Jesus being the Christ, which is the essential truth upon which the church is built.
      Universal application:
      This foundational truth applies to all believers, not just Peter, as everyone who accepts Jesus as the Messiah becomes part of the "rock" on which the church is built.
      "upon this rock I will build my church" is that Jesus is declaring the foundation of his church to be the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; essentially saying that the true foundation of the church is the belief in Jesus' identity as Messiah, not just Peter himself as a person.

  • @chasedudek3136
    @chasedudek3136 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    All his arguments against Catholicism are based on what he subjectively does or does not see in Scripture. This is the crux of the difference between Catholicism and protestantism. You have to attack the bedrock premise that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and then the rest should fall into place after that.

    • @billlee2194
      @billlee2194 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      chasedudek3136...yes and even the Catholic church considers itself a servant of Scripture. The difference being that the power and authority Jesus gave to His Church means it is the only authority outside Scripture authorized to fully and correctly interpret Scripture. Much like our Supreme Court is the authoritative body given the authority to rightly interpret the Constitutution. Otherwise, it's every man's interpretation.
      Our country was founded in rebellion against authority. The Reformation had a lot to do with that if you stop and think about. The Reformers rebelled against the church and the state and the citizens rebelled against the Reformers. Denominations now rebel within the ranks which causes more rebellion and division and church splits. Why, because, we have been taught to reject authority in the church, in society and in the family while stubbornly claiming Scripture is our highest and only authority. Someone still has to interpret Scripture and that's where the real question of authority lies. God bless.

  • @carakerr4081
    @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Praying for Dillons conversion to the Catholic Church God bless you all 🙏

  • @G-MIP
    @G-MIP 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    The Catholic Church preserved, compiled, translated, chose the books to include and declared the Bible canon in 382 under Pope Damasus at the Council of Rome. Jesus didn’t leave us a Bible but He did leave us a church (Matthew 16:18).

    • @TheAegis1000
      @TheAegis1000 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Interestingly, the scriptures say that God breathed them out. That sounds like a gift from God ...
      2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

    • @FootballFansFrenzy
      @FootballFansFrenzy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly and that is why the Catholic church argues that the scripture isn't just what was written in the bible. But people find it hard to distinguish between the bible and scriptures. To better put it, while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture.​@@TheAegis1000

    • @TheAegis1000
      @TheAegis1000 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FootballFansFrenzy What's the written justification for ... "while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture.​" ? What scripture exists outside of the Bible ?

    • @FootballFansFrenzy
      @FootballFansFrenzy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@TheAegis1000 You just said it, God breathed it out on them. It wasn't written and given to them. While some got written and compiled in the bible, others were written but isn't compiled in the bible and the rest were performed as traditions. Even the writers of the gospels admit that not everything that was said and done by Jesus is contained in their writings. Doesn't mean they weren't practiced.

    • @billlee2194
      @billlee2194 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      TheAegis1000...in 2 Timothy3:16-17, if you divide the clauses up which are separated by the words...all...and....for....that...for..., an interesting conclusion is reached i.e. (all) Scripture is God breathed....(and) is profitable (for) teaching, etc....(that) the man might be complete, equipped...(for) every good work.
      So, the whole purpose of Scripture is to make the man complete and equipped for good works. Interesting don't you think?
      Note: Another interesting thought is, at the time of the writing of Timothy (I don't have he date in front of me) even though Paul's writings were cited as Scripture, most of what was thought to be Scripture referred to the OT. Add to that not all of what would later be called the NT (first named late 2nd C.), was not completed at the writing of Timothy. Just some interesting thoughts. God bless.

  • @celinegarcia4158
    @celinegarcia4158 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    It's wonderful to listen to you both. Thank you for sharing.

  • @alexanderbrozel7284
    @alexanderbrozel7284 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I absolutely love this, and can’t wait for you guys to continue this conversation! I could listen this kind of discussion for 20 hours!

  • @pjponciano5931
    @pjponciano5931 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    I have to say as early as now: Welcome Home to Rome! 😁👌

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      God willing :)

    • @shanahendricks9831
      @shanahendricks9831 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I saw his video and glad he found Cameron. As long as he keeps seeking he is on his way ❤

    • @mattnelms2522
      @mattnelms2522 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not exactly where that phrase regarding Rome and welcoming someone home came from. The concept sounds odd to Christians who are familiar with several Bible verses that warn about cheering people towards a worldly home. For instance ... Hebrews 13:14 says "For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come." Can you share the origin (and maybe motivation) of the "welcome home" exhortation that we hear so frequently from Catholics?

    • @RitaGatton
      @RitaGatton 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@mattnelms2522 It means "Welcome home to the true church that Our Lord instituted, the Catholic Church".

    • @borneandayak6725
      @borneandayak6725 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@mattnelms2522 "welcome to Rome" or "crossing the Tiber" have come to be the shorthand term for converting to Catholicism. A Catholic who converts to Protestantism, in particular Anglicanism, is referred to as "swimming the Thames" or "crossing the Thames".

  • @Gio-ce8ob
    @Gio-ce8ob 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I love open, charitable conversations like this with our Protestant brothers and sisters. As a Catholic Christian we face a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry and I believe good conversations like this with honest, good natured Protestant brothers and sisters can be productive to where even if you can’t get where I am in theology and we can’t agree, we can better understand one another and be better Christians by acting in a charitable way that seeks to understand and maybe even, God willing, reunite one day. Because I truly do look at our Protestant brethren as separated brothers and sisters in Christ. They were once (at least their ancestors) members of our Church and family. Maybe one day they will be again and maybe further enrich our understanding of the Lord like I believe we can do with their understanding. Sorry if this rambled. All that to say I admire what you fellows are doing and appreciate the civil and charitable contributions you both made today. May God bless the both of you and your loved ones. And as it’s December as I’m writing this, Merry Christmas!

  • @juliathelittle7007
    @juliathelittle7007 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    It is very endearing that Dillon is not coming in thinking he will disprove the Catholic Church, but rather he humbly acknowledges that others have gone on this journey and ended up Catholic.

  • @MaxJones-dj5ub
    @MaxJones-dj5ub 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    There is no such thing as the "Protestant Church" there is a sect of Christianity called Protestantism, which consists of many Christian communities (technically speaking not even "churches"). There is only one Church (we all know which one that is).

    • @gk3292
      @gk3292 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @MaxJones…exactly!!🎯

    • @johnyang1420
      @johnyang1420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Amen!!!!

  • @Spiritof76Catholic
    @Spiritof76Catholic 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Well done CR. I never thought I could sit through an 1 1/2 program and stay engaged. You answered all of Dillon’s misgivings about the Catholic Church. However I just don’t understand why he doesn’t see how Jesus appointed Peter first among the Apostles in the Bible. Or that the extra biblical quotes have merit. But you planted some seeds and hopefully Dillon’s heart will change his mind.
    You are obviously a gifted teacher with a beautiful mind and great computer files to back up your knowledge.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      God bless you. Thank you for this beautiful comment :)

    • @carakerr4081
      @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I agree very well done!!! God bless!

  • @boom-bm1kl
    @boom-bm1kl 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Father Chris Alar said in one of his videos that when people say they dont need the chuch or attack the church, a majority of St. Pauls letters in the new testament are directed towards the chuch

  • @luisakane6914
    @luisakane6914 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The Bible explicity says to follow oral traditions.

  • @just_norma7
    @just_norma7 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As someone who went from cradle Catholic to Protestant and then back to Catholic, I can confidently say my faith has never been stronger. This conversation was excellent-insightful and respectful. Both sides presented valid points, and let’s be honest, no church is without flaws because no church is perfect. For me, the decision came down to craving a calmer, quieter style of worship, which I’ve rediscovered in the Catholic Church-something I didn’t fully appreciate when I was younger. Now, I truly adore Jesus in every sense of the word. Thank you both for such a meaningful discussion! 🙏🏻

  • @msmod183
    @msmod183 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    ❤❤❤❤ I loved this! Respectful, informative and kind. Great job guys! 👏 ✝️

  • @petertherock7340
    @petertherock7340 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Dr. Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian before conversion. Dr. Taylor Marshall was an Episcopalian priest. 😊😊😊

    • @borneandayak6725
      @borneandayak6725 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Its became a trend in internet now, to see a lot of ex-Protestant giving testimony of their conversion to Catholicism.

  • @LukeDelaney-g6k
    @LukeDelaney-g6k 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    I would tell him the Catholic Church is the church Jesus founded. She is his one true bride 🙏🏻🙏🏻

    • @peterzinya1
      @peterzinya1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jesus true bride would not bow down herself befor images/statues. Never.

    • @39knights
      @39knights 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@peterzinya1 The OT temple was decorated with images and statues. The Ark of the Covenant was highly reveranced and had two statues of Cherubim placed atop of it. So exactly what is your point??

    • @PatriceFriant
      @PatriceFriant 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Catholic means universal so ok Jesus is the head of the catholic church, the Roman church and the Orthodox are not truly catholic since they have become tribal believing they are the only true church like some cults claim today.

    • @39knights
      @39knights 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@PatriceFriant Tracing the lineage via historical records it would be quite easy to show the Catholic Faith (or what you call the Roman Catholic) is the original while it was the Orthodox which split from the original. Unlike ALL the protestant sects which began with theological herectical distancing; the Orthodox split has remained relatively a disagreement in goverance rather than theology. Interms of theology we have remained almost identical and in that regard can be said to be still the one faith.

    • @peterzinya1
      @peterzinya1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@39knights Befor i tell you my point, i want you to show me where people bowed down befor these things you mentioned. Thanks in advance.

  • @AdamLaCrosse
    @AdamLaCrosse 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thanks Cameron, it was a very fruitful discussion!

  • @Jerome616
    @Jerome616 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You did a brilliant job hosting this conversation. I was truly impressed by your love, patience and candor.

  • @eliwithgod4848
    @eliwithgod4848 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    He blamed bad Catholics for the division among Protestant sects. He forgot that the 1st Protestant was a BAD Catholic monk🤔

  • @ednaron1229
    @ednaron1229 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Thank you! You should do a video reflecting on what was said in this discussion. God bless!

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Maybe I’ll do a livestream!

  • @kenshinjd
    @kenshinjd 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This was a delightful watch. God bless your ministry Cameron

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Someone has to discuss with Dillon the story of Eliakim, the vicar of the ancient king who held the keys of the kingdom. What he shuts, none shall open. What he opens none shall shut. Eliakim is the type, Peter is the antitype.

  • @Cynane27
    @Cynane27 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for showing both perspectives. Great conversation.

  • @albaniancrusader01
    @albaniancrusader01 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Minute 10:08, just wanted to give you an example, Francis Chan after 27 years in ministry (he admits) started to understand the Eucharist.
    Check out his videos.

  • @gregoryphi
    @gregoryphi 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Another great conversation! Praise Jesus I am grateful for his holy church!

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Dillon: "I want to be Catholic." - we can't wait to welcome you home to the Church Jesus founded. He promised the gates of hell will not prevail against it and He stayed true to that promise for over 2000 years. Amazing video. Great work there Cameron. What can I say, you're a walking Catholic encyclopedia. You can get all these facts out on demand. Wow.

  • @GirloftheValley-
    @GirloftheValley- 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What a nice conversation between two righteous men. Great example.

  • @maonguyen3492
    @maonguyen3492 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you so much, I am Catholic and learned so much from you. God bless 🙏

  • @jeroenvankooten
    @jeroenvankooten 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I would add that taking a look at the counsel of Jerusalem is also a good thing. The apostles get together and talk and debate and invoke the spirit. And then James speaks regarding the regional disciplines (rules) that he implements in his region (his seat of authority), this has to do mainly with gentiles not eating certain things to not offend their Jewish brothers and sisters. Which is mega relevant for that region. But notice that Peter speaks at the end and he makes the dogmatic statement that relates to the whole church, regarding circumcision and the relation to salvation.

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Dillon needs to hear from Keith Nester, a former Protestant Pastor now a famous Catholic preacher. The lack of authority in the Protestant churches led him to convert to the Catholic faith.

  • @carakerr4081
    @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    All will eventually be Catholic. It’s the fullness of the truth. 🙏🙏

  • @JesusChurchBible
    @JesusChurchBible 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    As he learns history he finds the Catholic Church is most likely the true church. Proving, education is the cure for Protestantism. 📖⛪️🙏🏼🕊️✝️😃

    • @theprotestantreset
      @theprotestantreset 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Maybe...

    • @Lone-Lee
      @Lone-Lee 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      _“To be deep in (Church) History is to cease to be Protestant”_

    • @JesusChurchBible
      @JesusChurchBible 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ He literally said “he wants to believe and be Catholic. 👍

    • @JesusChurchBible
      @JesusChurchBible 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ that’s the quote! 😃🙏🏼✝️

  • @CherylSilbernagel
    @CherylSilbernagel 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I fell that Dillon, like many and myself, is challenged with the Pope.. Cameron did a great job of explaining the limits of the pope's authority. Looking at today's challenges in the Catholic Church, especially concerning the pope, it is helpful to look at the Old Testament kings in both the North(Israel) and South(Judah) of the divided kingdom. In the north where there was no true worship because they did not have the Tabernacle, every king was bad and did what was evil in the site of the Lord. In the South, where they did have the correct worship and the Tabernacle, some kings were mostly good and others were mostly bad or just bad. I find that to be a helpful typology to look consider when I don't agree with something the pope is saying or implementing.
    Steve Ray has an excellent video called Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair, which is available on TH-cam. I highly recommend a short video by Joshua Charles clip on The Cordial Catholic called Chaotic, Corrupt, and Sinful but STILL the One True Church?! I HIGHLY recommend to help anyone who has a major hangup on church corruption and the pope.

  • @eduardohoover2127
    @eduardohoover2127 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian pastor not Episcopalian.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Thank you for the correction :)

    • @peterzinya1
      @peterzinya1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Doesnt matter what he was. He was unsaved then and is unsaved now.

    • @BrazilianPride22041
      @BrazilianPride22041 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peterzinya1 🤡

    • @eduardohoover2127
      @eduardohoover2127 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peterzinya1 if he was an Episcopalian priest he could keep his marriage and pursue priestly holy orders.

    • @shanahendricks9831
      @shanahendricks9831 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@peterzinya1 what are you trying to achieve?

  • @benjamin9615
    @benjamin9615 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wonderful conversation, you were both great! Open and well debated. Loved the analogy about the bishops being the husbands and the faithful the women. May God bless your work.

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What can I say Cameron, you're the man to talk to Dillon. What you've been saying are all on point. I've thought of things to respond to Dillon but when I hear the arguments that you raise, they're so much better. Wow.

  • @borneandayak6725
    @borneandayak6725 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.

    • @johnyang1420
      @johnyang1420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Amen!!!

    • @timslee0618
      @timslee0618 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Especially if people fall for Steve Furtick from Elevation Church or Bethel (some of things they do seem like a borderline cult)

  • @henrysylvester
    @henrysylvester 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Thankyou for the fruitful dialogue. To my protestant brother, what to you make of Christs admonition that says--- "... unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you! John 6:53-54 ?...In other words whomsoever do not partake of the Eucharist will not be saved...

    • @andrewsantillan6020
      @andrewsantillan6020 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not all denominations agree. But for Baptists and non-denominationals, we see it as a metaphor, not literally eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood. We believe this would break Scripture forbidding cannibalism in the OT and the Spirit of God would never contradict itself. The bread and blood are representations of Jesus and his atoning work on the cross. And us eating and drinking Him are the faith we put in Jesus and the finished work on the cross. Even later in verse 63 he says " It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing." This is just our point of view and it's ok to disagree blessings to you.

    • @gregnunan4885
      @gregnunan4885 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@andrewsantillan6020 if it was not meant literally then how could it have such a effect on those who receive the Eucharist unworthily or without discerning the Body of the Lord, that some get sick or even die ….??( 1 Cor 11:29-30)

    • @gregnunan4885
      @gregnunan4885 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@andrewsantillan6020 Yes, it is definitely a spiritual reality that gives eternal life…!!!

    • @gregnunan4885
      @gregnunan4885 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@andrewsantillan6020 it doesn’t get more clear than that..!! “For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed “( John 6:55) If Jesus meant it only symbolically then surely the disciples would not have walked away from this teaching, murmuring “ Who can it accept this teaching” but Jesus doesn’t call them back to explain, he lets them go their way just like the Protestants have walked away from this teaching.

    • @TheAegis1000
      @TheAegis1000 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andrewsantillan6020 I recently heard a Protestant response to this question ... which adds weight to this view.
      In presenting the Lord's Supper to His disciples, Jesus was, in fact, FULFILLED the OT based Israelite/Jewish Passover ... which was, itself, a symbolic/spiritual ritual of REMEMBRANCE ... of God's rescue of His people Israel from Egypt.

  • @timiscorner4601
    @timiscorner4601 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love love love this conversation. I wish all Catholic and protestant dialogues are like this.

  • @luisakane6914
    @luisakane6914 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is NOT in the Bible!

  • @ThruTheUnknown
    @ThruTheUnknown 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Dillon did an interview with Drew just before this, man i respect his work ethic.

    • @theprotestantreset
      @theprotestantreset 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hey, I appreciate that! Can't say that my brain wasn't fried afterwards...

  • @petertherock7340
    @petertherock7340 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    As a Catholic convert I believe that what many disgruntled Protestants are looking for in worship is what we Catholics and the Orthodox refer to as “the ancient liturgy.” As Catholics we call it “the Mass.” People are hungry for the Table of the Lord. 😊😊😊

    • @carakerr4081
      @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yes and amen 🙏

    • @borneandayak6725
      @borneandayak6725 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.

    • @konstantinoskalemkeridis730
      @konstantinoskalemkeridis730 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As a Greek orthodox i am lost through the liturgy which i know from my childhood no meaning at all special when half of it is about the mother of god panagia,theotokos ever virgin and so on in the protestant church the emphasis is JESUS the SAVIOR but there are so many different sects now no unity very rare you can find a good one

    • @konstantinoskalemkeridis730
      @konstantinoskalemkeridis730 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@borneandayak6725 100%the church that Jesus established? so is the Catholic the one? Read the Acts of the Apostles and you will find the CHURCH

    • @petertherock7340
      @petertherock7340 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ Try learning about your faith instead of just sitting through the liturgy with an empty head all your life. Theotokos is not about “pagan goddess.” 🤣 🤣 🤣

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    God had always worked on a single Patriarchy. Abrahan, Moses, Elijah, the list goes on and on and is endless. Cameron did a great job opening Dillon's mind to Catholicism. I can't think of anyone who could have done a better job.

  • @carakerr4081
    @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The evidence of the Primacy of Rome and of Peter as the First Bishop of Rome is overwhelming by the quotes Cameron provided from the Early Church Fathers. Dillon also did not respond to Cameron pointing out that Augustine said we must be under the authority of the Bishops and Dillons church has not a one Bishop! Dillon just failed to address this as a major problem with Protestant Churches being out of line in regard to what Augustine taught and so many Protestants hold Augustine in such high regard when Augustine was very much a Catholic holding to all the Cathedral doctrines - the Immaculate Conception, the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Purgatory, the Primacy of the Bishop of Role, infant baptism the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist etc

    • @carakerr4081
      @carakerr4081 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The level of denial must remain high for Dillon to remain Protestant he will come home eventually everyone will!!! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @leoIVX
    @leoIVX 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “I don’t see the Pope holding councils anymore, Councils are not done anymore”. Meanwhile, the synod on synodality has been going on for the last three years and just concluded recently.

  • @Rome_77
    @Rome_77 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This convo really brings to the forefront the thematic differences between non-denom Protestants and Catholics.
    We see Christ as a king who established or RESTORED an upside down servant led empire - the new Israel and the new Rome.
    Protestants paint Christ more as a revolutionary who instigated a total rebellion against Israel and Rome.

    • @Qohelethful
      @Qohelethful 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Non denom Protestants don’t think that Jesus was an earthly revolutionary here to fight against Rome and Jerusalem. That’s completely outside of anything but the weirdest liberation theology.

    • @Rome_77
      @Rome_77 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ By that I mean something like Christian Primitivism. Low church protestants typically view Jesus and his movement as just a “rag tag” group of lowly know nothing rebels. This implies that the more “pure” and “authentically” Christian church would and should look like this as opposed to the more regal institutional organized religion with all its “pomp and circumstance”.

    • @Rome_77
      @Rome_77 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ and the whole Protestant identity is built in opposition to the Catholic Church because they view it as the new “pharisaical synagogue” and the new “Roman empire”. It is self-defeating Christianity. Christianity turned against itself. This is why we can easily draw the theme from the Protestant revolt to secular modernity with its woke ultra-Christian anti-Christianism. They are the heirs of Protestants.

  • @TonyKeeh
    @TonyKeeh 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Why does the Protestant seem to be ok with a council of infallible people, but not one infallible person? If infallibility is possible with a council, it should certainly be possible with one person.

    • @protestant77
      @protestant77 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      JESUS says keep Sabbath holy!
      POPE says keep Sunday holy!
      “The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
      -Father Enright,
      American Sentinal, June 1893.
      7th Day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11)
      1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7)
      The WORD teaches 7th day is holy!
      The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy!
      WHO DO 🫵 YOU OBEY????

    • @bobizzle1605
      @bobizzle1605 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Lol nice try bud. Christ himself said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, and that he was Lord over the Sabbath as well.
      Following the Sabbath strictly was a mosaic commandment that Christ fulfilled and superceded, as he did the other mosaic laws. Jesus makes it clear that HE is the eternal rest for mankind, and those who submit to him and give themselves to his body will have eternal rest.
      The second Christ offered himself up as the final Passover lamb on the cross, he became the new Sabbath. Every day, not just Saturday, is the Sabbath for Christians who belong to the body of Christ since he gave spiritual eternal rest to all of mankind bound to him when he reconciled humanity to God the Father. Christians therefore now celebrate this eternal rest by celebrating Christ on the Lord’s Day, Sunday.
      So nice try seventh day Adventist, read your Bible bud.

    • @Jerome616
      @Jerome616 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because it's scary. We live in a democratic system and have for so long now, that to live under a "king" seems a corruption.

    • @timiscorner4601
      @timiscorner4601 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@bobizzle1605Yes, and Catholics can go to church and hear mass everyday if they want to. Sunday is an obligation although we can go hear anticipated mass on a Saturday.

    • @Qohelethful
      @Qohelethful 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He is more receptive to Orthodoxy, which is a frequent path for Protestants.

  • @youngbloodk
    @youngbloodk 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Note, when reading Upon This Rock by Steve Ray, all of the meat is in the footnotes.

  • @nelsonsierra9
    @nelsonsierra9 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    If he reads and studies the fathers of the church, he’ll find out that it’s what the Catholic Church professes and does, what the early church did. He could end up being catholic.

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    When Peter spoke in the Council of Jerusalem, the bible says that "all fell silent."

  • @Convert2024
    @Convert2024 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is what I think the main role of the pope is. Luke 22:31. "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.32. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

    • @TheAegis1000
      @TheAegis1000 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Another illustrating passage of scripture ...
      John 21
      20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”)
      21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
      22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
      23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
      From this passage, it certainly doesn't seem that Jesus meant for Peter to be the pope of John ...

  • @CherylSilbernagel
    @CherylSilbernagel 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I really enjoyed this open discussion. I think one thing that Dillon may find helpful is studying typologies. After recently converting to Catholicism, my mind continues to be blown seeing all of the Old being fulfilled in the New. Brant Petri's books Jesus and Jewish Roots on the Eucharist and Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary are very eye opening. Brant Petri also did a video available on TH-cam on the Jewish roots of the pope. I find that the non denominational churches I attended focused mainly on the New Testament. So much is lost when we don't look at the New Testament and Covenant being a fulfillment of the Old.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Beautiful suggestion.

  • @maryjordan4129
    @maryjordan4129 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Cameron did an excellent job of highlighting why a knowledge/study of history leads to the realization that there is one, true, apostolic and authoritative Church founded by Jesus Christ.

  • @Truthseekingcatholic
    @Truthseekingcatholic 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The church needs more converts and cradle catholics who practice their faith. The Catholic church is the only church where your soul is cared for. You're not going to get that as a protestant. I converted from non denominational 6 yrs ago. So glad to be home.

  • @meghanhickman1864
    @meghanhickman1864 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Which books on the Church Fathers do you recommend

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This one is good: amzn.to/3ZfAXgb

  • @peaceandjoy2568
    @peaceandjoy2568 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you, for this very inspiring interview. Dillon is intelligent and profound in his insights. I think a whole new world will open up for him into the mysteries of Our Lord's Mystical Body. May God bless his ministry.

  • @TonyKeeh
    @TonyKeeh 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    There is one true Church built on the rock. Everything that breaks off from it is schismatic. If you are not on the rock, you are a schismatic. You can never claim to be the true Church if you're not on the rock.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That is St. Cyprian’s argument in the 2nd century

    • @TheEternalHyperborean
      @TheEternalHyperborean 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's weird because your Pope said that every religion is a way to God. So according to your leader it doesn't matter if somebody is catholic or not.

    • @Ruudes1483
      @Ruudes1483 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheEternalHyperboreanCan you quote what he actually said, verbatim?

    • @theprotestantreset
      @theprotestantreset 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Rock is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The only rock worth standing on :)

    • @Ruudes1483
      @Ruudes1483 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theprotestantreset Hence it can be explained as about Christ: **and upon this rock**, i.e., on Christ, that he might be the foundation, and that the thing founded might receive a support. Augustine says in the book of Retractions that he explained it in many ways, and left it to the hearers to accept what they would. Or, to demonstrate that “this rock” means Christ: “and the rock was Christ” (1 Cor 10:4). And in another place, “for other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 3:11).
      Another explanation: **upon this rock**, i.e., upon you, Peter, because from me, the rock, you receive that you are a rock. And just as I am a rock, so upon you, Peter, I will build my Church.
      But what is this? Are both Christ and Peter the foundation?
      One should say that Christ is the foundation through himself, but Peter insofar as he holds the confession of Christ, insofar as he is his vicar. **Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone** (Eph 2:20). **And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb** (Rev 21:14). So Christ is the foundation through himself, but the apostles are the foundation not through themselves, but by Christ's permission, and by the authority given by Christ; “the foundations thereof are in the holy mountains” (Ps 86:1). But especially Peter's house, which is founded upon the rock, shall not be destroyed (Matt 7:25). Thus it can be attacked, but cannot be conquered.

  • @Krista_Lynne
    @Krista_Lynne 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a great conversation!

  • @christopherfleming7505
    @christopherfleming7505 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This dude will be catholic within a couple of years. 😊

  • @Convert2024
    @Convert2024 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Even if Catholics are talking to other denominations to come together it can’t happened. Because to understand Catholicism means to obey not to wonder with your own understanding

    • @brandonedwards1181
      @brandonedwards1181 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Verry very wrong my man, may the Lord show you his love and change your depraved viewpoint!

    • @georgerafa5041
      @georgerafa5041 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can understand a great deal, it just takes study. A loooooooot of study

    • @Convert2024
      @Convert2024 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ you could bring some light to the part of obeying. Because I just don’t see it. I been inside the Protestant works and I know what you move from denomination to denomination and us always for obedience. You could tell us if you change denominations and why.

    • @Convert2024
      @Convert2024 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ well and a lot of logic. Especially now that we have so much lies into all of it.

  • @PalermoTrapani
    @PalermoTrapani 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hi Cameron: Great discussion between you and Dillon. The Council of Nicea in 325 Canon 6 does list the top 3 Churches in rank 1) Rome, 2) Alexandria and 3) Antioch. The Council of Constantinople in 381, which was a local Eastern Council and not given ecumenical status till the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD did place the Church of Constantinople as 2nd rank. The Council of Chalcedon in Canon 28 tried to get Constantinople ranked 2nd but Pope Saint Leo the Great did not accept Canon 28 into the Roman Canon and thus it was never received as binding on the entire Catholic Church at that time.

  • @williammcenaney1331
    @williammcenaney1331 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I grew up with Pope Paul VI's new liturgy. So, I've attended rock concerts at Holy Mass. The music diverts our attention from the liturgy to the music. Music can distract Catholics, even during the Traditional Latin Mass where a professional choir performs Gregorian Chant or Renaissance polyphony. But rock music profanes the Mass. That reminds me of what Fr. Denis Fahey wrote in a book about Christ's social kingship. Fr. Fahey said, "The world must conform to Christ, not he to it." A committee invented Pope Paul VI's novel rite of Mass to please Protestants, not to preserve the ancient Traditional Latin Mass.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Good points!

    • @williammcenaney1331
      @williammcenaney1331 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@CameronRiecker Thank you. Now you know partly why the Traditional Latin Mass is the only one I attend.

    • @TERRANO1992
      @TERRANO1992 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I attend both types of mass because one of the things that hasn't changed is the Eucharist I attend novus ordo mass also use gregorian chant,, part of that may no longer follow the actual mass rubric So I attend these two types of mass Because it is valid God bless

  • @bencook6585
    @bencook6585 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    35:44 Congratulations, you discovered ecumenical councils.

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lol

    • @briancoe4371
      @briancoe4371 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Was about to write this comment. Already here. 😂

  • @jonathangermain4143
    @jonathangermain4143 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These are both channels that I have only recently discovered on TH-cam. This collab is unexpected yet welcome.

  • @akolesar96
    @akolesar96 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Excellent conversation, gentlemen. Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam Meam, et tibi dabo claves regni coelorum...

  • @gemum4219
    @gemum4219 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish I could share a LOT more here, but I would have to write a book. However, as a cradle Catholic I didn't study a lot of it, I just believed. However, my spouse having recently converted 4 years ago, has taught me so much. It has put me on a path where I have ravenously began to study the Bible, church history, tradition, everything I can get my hands on. The more I delve into it the more I get drawn in every manner, spiritually, my heart, mind, behaviors etc.... All I can say is go for it. Start with Bible in a Year, either podcast or in youtube format. Pray for the Holy Spirit to carry you through your challenges. And keep at it, questioning and asking God to show you more.

  • @williammcenaney1331
    @williammcenaney1331 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    St. Augustine coined "Trinitas," the Latin synonym for "Trinity."

    • @juliathelittle7007
      @juliathelittle7007 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      With all due respect it was Tertullian 160-230 A.D. st Augustine did write at length on the Blessed Trinity but not till around the 400’s.

    • @williammcenaney1331
      @williammcenaney1331 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@juliathelittle7007 What word signified the Trinity in the language Tertullian wrote in? Remember, I said St. Augustine coined "Trinitas." I didn't suggest it was the only ancient word that stood for the Trinity.

  • @RitaGatton
    @RitaGatton 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Rather than come up with a new liturgy for Protestants, why not just use the original liturgy for the Eucharist that Our Lord established at the Last Supper, the Catholic liturgy? We have used it for two thousand years and it works.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am an extraordinary minister of the Holy Communion. The Church has never used one liturgy for 2000 years. The reading of scripture (liturgy of the word) and liturgy of the Eucharist has been present throughout, but never in the same form. I'm not sure what exactly you had in mind, but please be aware of the history behind the Liturgy.

    • @ThatGuy-nr5sp
      @ThatGuy-nr5sp 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alisterrebelo9013 you are a minister of the Holy communion . Well a question to the question . Can a Protestant service or pastor , perform the liturgy or communion. I thought it had to be done by a priest?

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ThatGuy-nr5sp In a Catholic Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist can only be performed by a priest or Bishop.
      In a Protestant service depending on which Protestant denomination you are talking about, something similar will apply. Example for Anglican and Lutheran aervices, only their priests can say their version of the mass.
      Does this answer your question?

    • @ThatGuy-nr5sp
      @ThatGuy-nr5sp 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ yes that answered my question thank you.
      If I may ask another question
      How is an Anglican or Lutheran church able to perform the Eucharist, if they are not in communion with a catholic or Orthodox Church. I thought a priest had to be ordained by an apostolic church or bishop.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ThatGuy-nr5sp Great question.
      In Lutheranism, they rejected the role of the Bishop as being necessary for transmission of the priesthood and bishopric. So they ceased the God made tradition of laying of hands by Bishops, both for the transmission of priests and bishops. They claim they don't need this to be able to confect the Eucharist. So from a Catholic perspective, they no longer have the ability to confect the Eucharist as this is dependent on being validly ordained by a bishop in an unbroken line of bishops going back to the Apostles.
      I will talk about Anglicans next.

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Dillon got his answer from his own words. God told the Israelites that they don't need a king. He spoke through Moses, through the prophets, through the priests. The Pope is not the king. He is "Moses, the prophets and the priests." Christ IS the King. The Pope is the vicar.

  • @caritamundo9316
    @caritamundo9316 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thus, the Catholic church is undoubtedly and clearly the One True Church of Christ❤

  • @joevasanu7459
    @joevasanu7459 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Interesting and thoughtful guest, but much that went uncorrected
    In the limited time to respond to so many misconceptions thrown out.
    Since he seems sincere about finding out the truth, Maybe consider a charitable response video? For example, the Protestant, sorry, I forgot his name, kept mischaracterizing the title”vicar.” Giving him grace, he simply grossly misunderstands what it means. He says, among other things, that it is “boldly claiming that the Pope is a “representatION” of Christ. No, a vicar is simply a representatIVE; thus the Pope is the earthly representative. Unlike sinless Jesus, the pope will always be an admitted sinner.
    Also, even more needed to be said about the rarity of a claim of infallibility for the pope. Pope Francis has NEVER claimed to have spoken infallibly on a matter of faith or morals.

  • @albaniancrusader01
    @albaniancrusader01 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    God requires us to do something special like Eucharist towards worshipping Him.
    Rock bands sing and play for everything like, divorce, breakup, new lover, girlfriend, boyfriend etc.
    If we only mix up God somewhere in this, where is the worship.
    If you just worshipping God in rock band, are we worshipping everyone else that we sing to them or about them?!

  • @josephmiller876
    @josephmiller876 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Oh my. Dillon seems well meaning, but he is just now beginning to learn there are viewpoints beyond his evangelical protestant framework. These are the very very beginner arguments against the Catholic Church. He doesn't realize that the claims he makes actually cut against his position.
    For instance, he compares Catholics to Mormons and Muslims in that they have scripture AND Tradition; that they go beyond what is written, that they have man made tradition which perverts the Gospel; that protestants hold fast to the written word. What is happening, in fact, is that Tradition is the reason we know what is scripture in the first place. Jesus Christ established a Church and that Church canonized the Bible. And scripture tells us to hold fast to tradition whether by letter or by word of mouth (2 Thessalonians 2:15). It's his own man made traditions like sola scriptura which pervert the Gospel and spring forth heresy, charitably speaking, of course.
    I'm glad he is getting his name out there and is in the arena, but he really should stand down from public informal debates for his own benefit. For now, just stick with questions and follow-ups.

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    God worked through a single patriarchy throughout bible history. So I think one man leading Jesus's church should not concern Dillon at all.

    • @Chris-no8yb
      @Chris-no8yb 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Terrific point Myron

  • @freddiedejesus785
    @freddiedejesus785 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Protestant word salad is wild

  • @Dlimit14
    @Dlimit14 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There is no division in the catholic church. There could be disagreement. But division and disagreement are not the same thing. The idea of division in the catholic church would be seen as catholics not submitting to the magisterium, leaving the church and starting their own.

  • @thecatechumen
    @thecatechumen 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dillon casually sips a super aesthetic coffee to make us all feel like peasants

  • @ianmngolia9331
    @ianmngolia9331 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    @CameronReicker What is your position on whether or not Our Lady died? I suppose since she was immaculately conceived and lived without sin she did not die since death is the consequence of sin. But I'm not sure.

  • @eduardohoover2127
    @eduardohoover2127 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Isaiah 12:15 observes the position of the Al Habayit as second in the kingdom, the one holding the keys to the kingdom as King Jesus gave St Peter the keys to heaven and hell and thus appoints Peter the Al Habayit who the Catholic recognizes as the position of pope.

  • @modernjosephus356
    @modernjosephus356 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    51:07 The problem with this unity is if the pope has people believing in something not true, there is unity in belief, but in what is wrong.

  • @davidwireback8621
    @davidwireback8621 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The apostle Paul in his letters to Galatian makes it very clear that we are no longer under the Old Testament and his rules and regulations. That we’re under a New Testament we are now children of faith.

  • @o165o
    @o165o 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It always comes back to "Well I don't like that"
    He'll be Catholic within like 2 years

  • @davidwireback8621
    @davidwireback8621 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was raised as a Catholic went to a parochial school ,graduated from a Catholic high school. been through all the sacraments except for marriage ordination and last rights. And I can tell you I cannot for the life of me imagine going to church every Sunday and doing the exact same thing at the exact same time in a service and then walking out and calling that my due service to God.

  • @Yfuk4747
    @Yfuk4747 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    1:19:31 how can apostolic succession happen now if you don’t recognize that it’s been going on….

  • @shortmashins4031
    @shortmashins4031 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cradel Catholic, was recruted to Jehovah, went to New age church, Baptist, became Atheist. The Shroud of turin took me back to Catholicism.

  • @Mokbelsam81
    @Mokbelsam81 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Came home great at the end of the
    The Catholic Church is the Church of Christ ❤️🙏

  • @myronmercado
    @myronmercado 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You did the video Cameron! How were you able to reach Dillon?

    • @CameronRiecker
      @CameronRiecker  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Instagram! Social media is amazing lol

    • @myronmercado
      @myronmercado 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @CameronRiecker it worked! You got him on your channel.

  • @ryanjonbrown
    @ryanjonbrown 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like the Holy Spirit was speaking through Dillon here. He did a wonderful job.