I wish they made it so Seraphines mom was from Zaun and her dad was from Piltover, that would be so cool and such a good motivation as her ultimate goal to unite the two cities
YES, I saw someone comment that her inspiration was to unite Zhaun and Piltover because she lived in both. She didn’t btw she spent her first less then a year of living in Zhaun and by the time she’s older she wouldn’t remember that, and it doesn’t seem heroic or even fitting to have the be her inspiration. I completely agree that making her parents from different lands would be the best for uniting both cities, that would feel really heroic and give her a less selfish vibe.
well you must be new here then....back in the day riot used to just put whatever into runeterra and that was that, they designed whatever was cool and slapped a story to it... so all the old champions were like that....
@@uchiha617hh That's true, but lately they've been trying to have a cohesive lore. They may or may not have been completely successful in that endeavor, but they were trying. Even Zoe and Yuumi have pretty solid spots in the lore, but Seraphine is full of unaddressed holes that Necrit has pointed out. The old champ style was fine when that was the norm, but it's not anymore.
Aatrox when he get trapped in a sword : can't breath, can't feel, can't talk, only thought, wanted to *game end* himself Hundred of Brekarn soul when they get trapped in a floating flatform : "this is fine"
"Damn this whole place sounds like vocal diarrhea, y'all mind singing to one song so I don't have to deal with everyone with incoherent conflicting desires and shit?"
@@YetiCOOL112 When making a character the natural design of the character comes first as to make them connect with the original story. Then other designs come second, like if they were to go on a adventure or from another timeline, different designs are made. If you make the secondary designs first then the original design won't contrast with the others.
@@Manu-dm5qd well not really since Brakens carry their memories and stuff in their dead corpse (the crystals) then the new gen would absorb them and continue the cycle.
I don't feel bad for Skaner's people at all, between an old forgettable race of monsters and technology, i choose technology any day lol, besides, Skarner is a crappy old ass champion xD.
It was how Malphite, Taric and Ezreal originally ended up as champions originally back when the game itself with summoners and all were still canon (Malphite and Taric were legit aliens and Ezreal just got his glove that made him end up getting pulled in accidentally every now and then)
I would actually be fine with that because althought what they were doing were shitty in itself they were still coming clean with it unlike this clusterfuck of a mess
@@nudgeone7927 Most went in for political/personal reasons and whatnot, I just mentioned those three as an example regarding the whole pulling Seraphine from the other universe into Runeterra
@@zenzei7907 Could you imagine Sona having a twitter account similar to Seraphine but also bringing in some mute people problems on her way to suddenly being pulled into KDA? That would just feel more organic and all compared to making a whole new champion for it
Tbh at this point I can't even understand what they expected with the realese of this champion. They already said in a video that they realized that the community likes when Champions have a good connection with the Lore and other Champions (Examples: Sylas, Senna, Yone etc...). Then they created Seraphine, I understand that you want a champion to give skin to but, you could predict all of this backslash just by knowing something that you stated in one of your own videos.
No try to understand it, her motivation is to unite the two cities who have been enemies for ages... The as necrit said, it was an initial lore rework.. to remove the brackern backlash which is not an imp part of her lore... Further rework should include the key points bringing more color and description to her lore.. Including her key motivation, Cloth scheme etc..
I wish she has a canon meeting with one of the more twisted individuals like Singed or Urgot. Maybe that'd prove some form of struggle to her, trying to comprehend how such messed up individuals can exist and whether or not it's worth saving the city where such individuals are the norm and not the exception
Yeah man starving exploited underclass aside zauns pretty much a factory for terrorist, organized crime, and freaks of nature and youd have to a very heavy of mix of optimistic and stupid to think that can change non violently. Hell half the zaunite champs make camille look reasonable and her whole job is killing people and keeping the working class down.
@@aeroanosupremo Assuming she doesn't have any cuts (or blood), she could be fine. I also imagine she could learn about WW and get him calm enough for her to try and help him somehow.
Urgot : "I seek an uprising to weed out the weak." Swain : "I seek to unite all under Noxus in preparation of a bigger threat." Skarner : "I seek to return my race back to normal." Seraphine : *"Music go brrr. We defeated the CEO of racism."*
Mordekaiser: "I rip and teared for my belief for an afterlife of glory for one's power, only to find an empty plane of existence to disappear to, so I decided to build a hall for myself from the souls of others!" Lillia: "I was born from the dream of something that holds dreams, but it's starting to die from not getting dreams anymore, so I'll go out and get those dreams for it myself." Seraphine: "Hearing people's a headache, but people not like each other so I listen anyway thanks to this rock that keeps screaming in agony"
Um... Is it really racism if both city's are just in the same country. Discrimination is fine and all but I think that kind of word only works quite farther than that. Like Ionia/Noxus far.
Considering she's supposed to be basically the same one as the KDA universe Seraphine, there's no way they would make her evil in any way, she's supposed to be all #relatable and yada yada (or, you know something something girl power and Mary Sue or something)
If just if, the soul in the crystals are actually in agony while being used as hextech crystals and when she sings she make those in agony to calm down for sometime that would make her lore more bearable
@@richardhuang7158 i mean it's so easy to fix her lore though? like her kit is similar to sona and her out of place outfit - their is an aspect of rythm long ago that travel to many places to play music and sing like a bard, and because of that he has countless number of trysts... and one of his decendants isd seraphine and another one is sona who has the weapon of the said aspect though no one knows
@@facebookuser1653 every single one of them is just a card that already exists, but better, even on similar regions too, like the Ahri one wich is just better Warmothers
So, they just take the easy exit and simply put an end to the whole ''I know about the slavery and genocide of an entire race but I won't do nothing about while I sing in the name of goodness and empathy.'' TLDR: Still an empty champ.
Well now that they fixed the inherit problem in her lore now they can add to her by simply giving her more stories to flesh her out. They can fill up how she came so popular and give her some character flaws. Also now that she doesn't fully understand what the soul in the crystal wants they can have a story line for her where she begins to understand about what is going on with the souls in the crystals and tries to do something about it but then some higher ups in Piltover try to stop her. A good antagonist for that plot line could be Camile who tries to keep her family business running.
@@thechainwarden I thought something like that Seraphine would have travel somehow to the Crystal Scar, met Skarner and learn the truth, then trying to protect them both while trying Zaun and Piltover have some peace, we know Camille is involved, also Viktor and Jayce There's potential for good stories, Seraphine isn't a bad person for not doing anything even knowing where the crystals come from, maybe singing it's the way to bring peace to Piltover and Zaun with the help of the Brackern Soul after learning the truth, maybe the one she has wants to help so they can free more souls from the crystals leaving them powerless while not killing anyone
Watch them just say that her Twitter depression is canon and that's her struggle. The problem with her is that she still doesn't fit the world. This is like shoving Rapunzel into a random tower in Game of Thrones, and not a human Rapunzel, a cartoony Pixar Rapunzel. This is basically season 8 of Game of Thrones, random ass fan service that don't make sense. The idea was cool, but there's a reason why it was fan theory. Another problem of why she feels so off is her playstyle, it feels shoved in and last second. If her playstyle was more defined and unique then it would fit her unique style in the Lore, gameplay and Lore are different things but Gameplay is suppose to exaggerate the Lore and make it almost a legend. Think of any champion, lets just say Yasuo. His gameplay makes you wonder about his power level in the Lore and how much he can actually do against champions like Zed. It makes you wonder about his abilities that would fit in the Lore. Even with simple champions like Sett gameplay wise, His glowing W look makes you imagine him using his vastaya powers during a fight in the lore, if he even has any. But with Seraphine, you look at her character design and abilities and you just think to yourself, why? What does this really do to add to her character. It's basically Sona but Sona actually has a good backstory and that's the problem. Seraphine's Gameplay adds a little bit to the Lore but her Lore is terrible in the first place so it's even worst. You can bring up Aatrox and Riven's similarities but Aatrox is basically a god killer and his destructive big motion in his abilities show that power, His ultimate and His Q's.
I disagree on the playstyle, she plays more like a nami than a sona. Sona is the best scaling support on game but has a shitty laning phase while Seraphine scales alright and has a pretty strong early game. She can do alot of things if she manages land her slow and hard to hit abilities which is identical to how namı plays out.
for me seraphine's design and clothes shoud be a mix between piltover and zaun she wants them to unite so she having clothes that are a mix from both cities would make sense
nah that would not make her marketable. She gotta have a pink cool dress and shit. Honestly this is comparable to project irelia, and some other skins that have been released lately, like that one from thresh. They clearly changed their designers, for the worst.
Wouldn't that piss the two sides even more? I mean i know zero about the lore but if the two cities hate each other so much mixing their culture would piss them off. A cool idea though.
@@Shadowhunterbg their culture is kinda mixed already, honestly. Even though they're two different cities one is literally on top of the other. It's one big mess
@@bigvidboi4909 Are you talking about Thresh Spirith Blossom? Because if it is about that one, then I don't really agree, I actually loved that skin (Project skins look cool too), it's great that they make skins for the thirsty women or men (or non-binary if you will), they give you the money while the players enjoy, hell, God knows I don't play Cassiopeia but I snatched her Spirit Blossom skin as soon as I got it on a chest. What I don't like it's exactly what they did with Seraphine, cute pink dress and celestial-like clothes? Great skin line! Look at the Star Guardian skins. The problem? It's not a skinline, it's supposed to be her classic look, it's horrible. Thresh Spirit Blossom looked gorgeous alongside with Cassiopeia, Ahri, Lillia and everyone else, they could have still made Seraphine look cute without having to make something flashy like this, check out Neeko, Zoe or Lillia. Dissapointed but not surprised.
How Riot fixed her lines: I can __[VAUGELY]__ hear the Brackern's Crystal. The Brackern fuel our ci- [REDACTED] Scarner, I do __[NOT]__ hear the souls of your people. All other lines have been edited/ [REDACTED] for sellable waifu puposes.
They could have make a amazing character with her if they would stop pushing for "perfect and naive cute girl" persona. She would make a amazing evil character if they doubled down on the hextech thing.
@@strider8662 Well I mean, who wants a waifu that’s evil but damn would I want her to be evil because that’ll be so good like if she’s controlling people with her voice abusing the power of Skarner’s dead relative/soul to make people do what she wants(wait a second that’s simping and Pokimane in a nutshell)
She wasnt recruited by kda. Its just common collab. Like BTS and Halsey, Steve Aoki and Monsta X, Dua Lipa and Blackpink. And even the KDA with their songs made with 2 (G)Iddle members and Madison Beer with Jaira Burns and Lexie Liu.
"shoot faster" that would be hilarious, Jinx singing about killing people in her head and then Seraphine thinking she can unite two cities who have years of hatred and class differences/problems
Now what would stop Jinx from shooting Seraphine. Wont Jinx benefit from killing her because that would create a lot of chaos and Jinx lives only to cause chaos.
Dude. How could she ignore it if she's really interested on talking to her crystal? Saying she should do something about it is like cooking without looking at the manual. She lacks info to take action. Please find a better word for your complaint please.
@@animeluva424 Oh then that means your wrong. She's been trying to with it since day one and she's still trying. It's not that she doesn't want to know but she wants to know but bad reception on the other side is f*king her.
I really wish she met Jinx in her lore instead. I mean what better way to learn how to use your voice than from someone who is loud and Brash like Jinx. She finds a common enemy in her alliance with Jinx and learns how to use her voice for good. On top of which will also explain the flashy clothes because Jinx likes to also stand out and im sure Seraphine will pick some stuff up from her.
The more I learn about her, the more I dislike her. The first part of this video nailed it. If she was an opera singer or some type of odd guitarist or some strange Piltover musician, that would make it amazing. Vi's theme song comes to mind. Someone else in the comments laid out a really good summary for what she could have been if she was from Zaun. And maybe she could have made friends with Janna? But instead we get rainbow puke OnlyFans Delle Bellphine pimped out of a candy store using the souls of a race to power her "hover board".
I still dont think the patches help the relationship between Seraphine and the Brackern. The lore implies that the Brackern are “fine” with their servitude by being kind to the people who extracted them and are using their souls to fuel machinery. Doesn’t make sense to me.
It could be better if the Bracken Soul considers Seraphine to be a important tool because it doesn't trust her completely, willing to step in and tell her some important details before stepping back.
Well you need to remember the Brakern arent human, they dont think like us. So when that Brakern sensed the genuinely innocent song of Seraphine, it responded how it thought Seraphine deserved. If Seraphine had been an evil person or something then the brakerns reaction would have been different.
@@rexerator Yeah. I would consider what the Bracken has to say to be the most important thing because to me, that would change Seraphine's entire appearance.
fr i wish they'd j face it, it wont make sense unless she wants to do something about the backern being used or she's a twofaced villain. both is what most ppl would be happy with, and its much better than whatever this 'ignore ignore I'm ur wifu gimme ur money' bs
She is even more uninteresting with those "lore change"... maybe they should have change her design instead ! C'mon riot SHE DOESN'T F I T and this prove it 5:05. She's a unicorn among horses... litteraly
Can someone explain me why so many people disliked the story with skarners race? Wouldnt it be such an interesting lore when Seraphine seems just so perfect to everyone with the mindset "I love everyone" but has such an evil and selfish background?
@@zefix3133 because people thought she was torturing skarner’s people with the crystal but that is not the case. and yeah everyone seems to be fine with all of PnZ using hextech but somehow sera is the problematic one. also there are champs with way more cruel lores in which they actually torture and kill for fun like eve, yet eve is super loved. seeing skarner be oppressed just gave a reason for everyone to hate sera so yehh. i do agree that her base lore was super rushed and she doesnt look like piltovian at all, idm her using the crystal though
Honestly, a siren or someone from Nami’s clan would’ve been a cool concept, especially how most of her Twitter was about being near water it feels so empty to have a Star guardian dressed girl try to unite Zhaun and Piltover for no actual reason, and she hears voices and that’s it, it’s so disappointing
@Damani Campbell Too many anime weebs and UWU simps are already loving Seraphine. I can’t imagine Riot further addressing this character in the future. Her only potential was a skin for her participation in KDA, and that shit is over.
Her design still looks like not Piltovan. I've seen some fan redesign of her outfit and they look more suitable for Piltover/Zaun. And she still is "very famous in Piltover and Zaun", but she hasn't mentioned in ANY story, even indirectly. So it seems like she's famous only in her imagination LuL And after the changes, there are even more questions. Like, for what reason the soul is helping her? How exactly did it help her? If the help was very small, how did it change her issue with a lot of voices in her head? P.S.: *Edited after the end of the video.* They could have made her parents from separate regions, like, the mother is from Zaun, the father is from Piltover. And that could have driven her to unite both towns.
Had Riot done their homework, yes, they may have been able to make a few new lore mashes between Zaun & Pilt champs that reference Seraphine. We can only hope they do in future lore updates.
I wish riot made it a thing where Seraphine actually knew about Skarner's race, and she goes around trying to tell people. Start a revolution! Save the Brackern!
That's what I'm really, really hoping for with these "changes" to make her more ignorant of the crystal's true identity. I'm hoping in her future lore, she can finally hear the Brackern voices and make a change.
@@KRV1351 but will also highlight even more her hypocritical methods by using the microphone and the useless hoverboard, due it feed on that 'willing' braken soul battery
@@alessandroseverino8222 her lore makes her out to be someone who wants to help. She's supposed to be more naïve than lux, almost all her in-game voice lines feel very light and playful. So ifbshe finally found out her character should be devastated, like that's her tragic flaw that she wants to help without knowing she's actually doing more damage
@@fery088 The old lore being bad doesn't make her story any better, though. She seems even worse than Soraka's "That guy was bad, so I transformed him into the animal he already was in his heart! Oh noes! I became a unicorn goat because I got my feelings corrupted by revenge!"
@@irisrain5171 I don't think the point was that "at least her story is better than the old lore" I think what Fery means is that the old lore used to suck, and Riot made it better (how much better is up to you). They could do the same for Seraphine down the line
@@irisrain5171 oh I agree that her story is bad. I was referring to the fact that they have done shit stories in the past and managed to make em good. While her base story is shit, let's hope a few short stories flesh her out a bit more, it hard but possible.
@@CRSB00 tecnically they sold all, yet are still capable of carry on and support her doing over carry themself in the lowtown of zaun, kinda far fatched still
Her parents have a better backstory than her with just two sentences. But it still doesn't make any sense at all. Leaving Zaun for Piltover is REALLY hard, even the richest Zaunites rarely even saw Piltover, well for some it's by choice because they find more opportunities in Zaun or/and are related to the Black Market there. BUT STILL, it's something only a few people with good wealth achieved to do. That doesn't seem like her parents at all. Would they be criminal that achieved to get on Piltover's lower levels without an authorization? That would be actually cool but they're not saying anything about it. Also, you can't be POOR yet afford to move and STAY at Piltover AND THEN BUY A FUCKING HEXTECH CRYSTAL WITH YOUR * SAVINGS * those are the most important value of all of Piltover and not everyone have custom Hextech equipment. I used to be on roleplay forums and I was on one about League at some point. If I even suggested a story like that at the time for a custom character I would have been laughed at. EDIT: FFS, when she was only a twitter account and soundcloud, I really thought she was the Aspect of Music from Targon. And even making her having to flee Piltover/Zaun and climb Targon for whatever reason would have been a 1000 times better Lore, would have covered for her personality, clothings and lack of inner struggles once she became the Aspect.
I feel a Piltover style jacket or vest over her regular putfit would make it a million times better. Also remove the fairy wings, those seem a bit much
9:01 "Her self doubt nestled into Seraphene, making her next breath a little easier". Oh I happen to a also find it comforting to nestle in the *self doubt* of others.
the exact line was "Her self-doubt nestles into mine" and i think they intended for it to mean that she found comfort in being able to relate to another person
I think riot is reverting to their 2009 storytelling. Summed up: "It would take a miracle to become popular overnight, and to even get out of Zaun and have a decent life in Piltover afterwards, but Seraphine DID JUST THAT."
Go read the story "City of Iron and Glass". Seraphine's entire characteristic of wanting to unite Piltover and Zaun is ripped out of another character's lore
@@JMaverick67 Because Riot didn't invent Sun Wukong? This is them rehashing their OWN lore, not adapting a mythological character known throughout the world.
@@JMaverick67 so many old champion was pretty much the usual clichè. Alistar? "is a minotaur!"; Amumu? "Sad Mummy"; Kayle? "Angel"; Morgana? "fallen angel"; Wukong? "Sun Wukong, is pretty much in the name"; Ashe? "We just liked the drow archer"
@@alessandroseverino8222 Of course the old champs are simple, the game was just starting at the time, and so was the company, we are talking about completely different situations Riot was lazy while making this champion, and they only did it to sell skins
@@App.ollo_ I'm well aware on how seraphine exist only for get some money, be it cause one of the big skinline success and then also the fact of make a twitter account who try to emphatise and indulge pity toward a 'depressed' FICTIONAL CHARACTER... Doing so many end up simping for the newfound 'anime waifu' (comments on her twitter or even the different trailers stating they was surely gonna buy the whole skinline or seraphine ultimate) or for show support fall trap of the marketing plan. Nothing against the old champion, even if a silly parody they're working on making em feel unique or atleast feel part of the universe of Runeterra, Seraphine simply fail over and over on do such since the priority was the kda material
"Her appearance is a mixture of youthful Piltovan and Zaunite fashion, due to her spending time in both cities as a music performer." That's a quote from the LoL wiki... So gold steampunk + green chempunk = bright pink anime idol.
Orianna: loses literally everything to help Zaun Seraphine: has no real flaws, doesn't fit in Zaun or Piltover and yet still gets to exist... For some reason they thought that was a good idea
I think where you're trying to get at, is that Seraphine's lore doesn't fit that of a hero, but that of a side character. It's totally not like every famous people in real life has a tragic backstory/stuggle...
but the champions in league ARENT ordinary people. they aren't the kind of people that had a nice life, that was why in the old days they joined the league, to settle a score.
are you comparing real life famous people with famous "" people "" from a video game with demons, cosmic god dragons, elf lolis, and world ending gems? You must be the kind who also wants realism in minecraft
I swear she stole those clothes from Soraka's closet That one night outfit to change her style a little and suddenly some Sona but more marketed took it to sci-fi town to get some pop
I'll be begrudgingly satisfied if they keep her as-is, but treat her as non-existent for the purposes of their promotional material. If she shows up in the 2021 ranked season cinematic, then I'm going to have some very unkind words for Riot Games.
Even by changing the lore Seraphine is still bad - Her design doesn't fit Piltover much less Runeterra or even League itself. - Seraphine's voice is the complete opposite of what she's being marketed as and turned out sounding like a b*tch. - Seraphine's kit is disappointing she's literally Sona with Neeko's Q, Zoe's W passive on her own W, and Skarner's E. - Her "ultimate" skin. I could continue picking on her but I'm pretty sure you get the idea.
I disagree on the kit, she is a really fun and good character to play. She fits really well with the rest of enchanter supports. However I totally agree on the rest.
Her kit is fine. Problem is everything else, including the in game model. She moves way way way way way way way way way too much on her fucking hover board.
I would like to point out that her motivations are there. Her homes, two places where she grew up, are constantly at odds, and she wants nothing more to see all of the people that she cares about together. So, she continues singing, with the hopes that they can all continue to harmonize.
You know what would be interesting and possible from they way her story is told. What if the Brackern soul is actually pulling a Darkin move and is trying to control and influence Seraphine so the soul can have a body to free its people.
So to summarize, her lore has seen a decent improvement, but still needs a lot of work to be really any good. I'd classify her current (modified) lore as mediocre at best, as good as an amateur author's writing.
I personally think otherwise, I think a 13 year old could write this as part of a league fan fiction. They didn’t fix anything, if anything they made her more boring. At least before, she had the charm of being a villain, now she’s ignorant.
Does her new story remind everyone of sonas new story? The whole performance to soothe and help people, where she starts out nervous, but then focuses on her friend, and then the feelings of the people around her...the only difference is sona actually has a legitimate threat to her, giving her charecter real depth/motivation with the presance of the mage seekers
I believe what’s wrong with seraphine is that she’s too cheery-looking but they tried so hard to give her a sad story; child with unstable magic abilities, poor parents, Zaunite, ancient dead race communication, and so on. Yet, she comes out on top, in a city where everything is about “make it or break it”. I still don’t get how Ekko grew up in the same conditions but he’s still in Zaun living in poverty. Sure, he accepts Zaun for what it is and prefers to live there but Seraphine apparently “hears” Zaun better than anyone and wants to unite both cities... so somehow her parents saved up enough money to ...buy her a shard of a hextech crystal which makes her a star.. immediately?! Her lore is just garbage and there’s no justifying it. They could’ve done so much more with her if they didn’t make her a star in minutes. We don’t even know piltover as a place that appreciates music... they’re all about inventing and progress so how is her music related to that? Garbage! She should’ve had a deeper connection to Zaun, she should’ve been blind or something that gives more purpose to her inhuman hearing or her stupid platform, she should’ve been struggling to become the next rising star, etc. They even could’ve made it so skarners lore was expanded upon by having her look into hextech crystals.. she could’ve been this crazy, magical girl who heard things within the crystals but no one believed her and maybe clan Ferros would try to shut her up to keep their integrity. I mean, I doubt anyone cares about a dead race being used for power buttttt... ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A POPSTAR THAT LIKES TO SMELL THE ZAUN GRAY FROM HER PERCH IN PILTOVER!!!
I think it's fine that Seraphine's motivation is to unite Piltover & Zaun as much as she can. Due to her disability when she was a child (not being able to control hearing the voices of others in her head), she understands how it feels to be alone and having no one to understand what you're going through. But through her crystal, she now has something that understands her. The crystal also indicated to her that, if people don't understand each other, it can lead to conflict that would spiral out of control, similar to what she experienced when was a child. Seraphine also brings up the fact that she's afraid that her own voice would get lost in the sea of voices she's singing about. Then the crystal indicates to her that they're all influenced by the voices around them. So I do think she acknowledges that she doesn't truly know herself, but that the way she's searching for that is through trying to truly understand others.
How to fix Seraphine: Make her Targonian everything up there seems to be more about struggle, magic, and sparkles. Her appearance and her lore of being a popstar would be fitting. Being an Aspect of Music will give her a reason to exist just it is, before travelling to other lands like PnZ.
I love the champ, but riot seriously fucked up with her runeterra concept... She makes SO much sense in the KDA universe, executed PERFCTLY. She has little to no good lore in runeterra tho :/
That's not just your opinion, she IS a Mary Sue. A character that never changes, always succeeds and everyone loves her. Even Rey from Disney's Star Wars trilogy is less of a Mary Sue than Seraphine.
I mean she's first generation Piltovan of Zaun immigrants, ppl of mixed backgrounds often struggle with their mixed heritage and in turn their identity, as some one who's in between she has a unique perspective of both conflicting sides and so it would be natural for her to seek ways for both groups of ppl to coexist, many find this common ground through mediums like music and since she grew up with little it make sense her best trait to bring this about is her voice, her own natural born talent. A lot of this rlly goes w/o saying
But it not well developed, they just say "hey, she has feels because of this" and that's all. It's not well exploited, like all the points her lore tries to make.
This is great, but this seems like after the fact. Like it wasn't their original intention (there is a slim chance it was) but that was out the window. Im glad you can find it relatable though.
@@Monar88 it's literally all over in her lore bio about how she see's the two sides detest each other and how she wants to bridge resentment and misunderstanding of each opposing side
Yeah, they should've used something stronger. Like duct tape. Duct tape works great for most things. But maybe not a dam. Guess we're back to square one.
@@Jeff-lc7lp hopefully the metal twisting support (since for rior sera is a mid mage... with that kit who rely on others for work...) will deliver such feel
I think a simple fix they could use to have Seraphine personally want Zaun and Piltover in harmony would be to have her mom from Piltover and her dad from Zaun - instead of both of them from down there - and that she could see how beautiful the song between them was, that they fell in love with one another through the music hextech they each worked on and shared with Seraphine when she was growing up. Then, she sees Pilties and Zaunites fighting all the time and she wants to sing to show them that if people come together and try and learn about one another, love and harmony can be found, just like with her parents.
If you look at seraphines ult ingame, it’s a wave of sound wich she is making through singing, and charming the opposing champion I Think this is the reason for seraphine to just become the most known singer throughout piltover and zaun from one day to the other That her singing has some sort of a charming ability. Mby also the crystal is impowerring her ability to charm people or guiding her how to use her powers, hens why she only became popular after getting help from the crystal It also sound like you describe that she can her what people are feeling, through sound and music, mby that’s also the reason why she can charm people with her singing. That she sings in a way that triggers something in peoples minds
I feel that it would be interesting if Seraphine's lore talked more about her ability to listen to the voices of the Brackern. Maybe she could start some kind of revolution in Piltover and Zaun about the ethical use of Hextech Crystals through her songs similarly to how Sylas started a revolution with mages in Demacia.
Definitely. Another comment point out that also the crystal could be influencing Sera in order to make her very visible and loud in both Piltover and Zaun so there's more possibility for any brackern to recognize a call for help in Sera's singing without she being conscious of it. Like being an amplifier.
Saraphine should be an air head who doesn't understand hardship, that will make her seem condescending, but really it's just her naivety and innocence, though her conclusions for why hardship exists come across as someone who never worked a day in her life - and that would be right. Her appearance: She was a blonde but privileged girl before she was blessed, (blessed by who you wonder?) she listened to no one, cared not for anyone, only herself in maintaining her comfort in life (pampered by her dotting parents who constantly called her their "angle". Until the day finally came, where she would taste the hardship of empathy, during the war (the war between Piltover and Zaun), though her parents did well to keep her sheltered from such things, eventually though, the war came to her door step, she heard people screaming in the streets before, but seeing it was something else entirely. Her parents could not protect her anymore from the cruelty of the world, and given her rebellious and spoiled nature, instead of hiding from it, she ventured out to see if she could help. When she saw the destruction of war, and the blood being spilled on the streets, young and old laying dead in the streets, her heart sank even though she didn't understand, understand why all the pain and suffering. She only knew that she wanted it to stop. So while she was traveling through the bloody streets, taking in the ruins of a battle (while not trying to get herself dirty), she found a little boy laying in the street who was still alive, but bleeding badly. Saraphine ran to the boy, not knowing what she would do. She found herself driven by some unknown force which she had never experienced before; it was empathy. Her heart though sanking, was soring deeply with pain, she held the little boy's head on her lap, and for once did not mind the blood even as it was staining her cloths, the little boy unaware of his surroundings asked "Mommy?", this question struck Saraphine's heart cords, because she knew that no matter how she would answer, it would not be satisfying to one who was dying. All Saraphine could do was cry. And when she did cry, her heart began to sing, a song of mourning and anguish, and without fully understanding, she found herself singing to this tone in her heart. It was soothing to the little boy, for it was the song of caring, and the little boy thought he was hearing an angel. And in that moment as Saraphine continued singing, with her tears dropping on the boy, they began to heal the boy, for Saraphine was going through a transformation, with her hair turned long and pink, and her dress stained with blood now glittered with blue and white, for her heart was pure and clean, her voice even became more powerful. And onlookers who had escaped from the previous night's massacre (people who were in hiding during the slaughter) came out when they heard the song. Saraphine's voice was gentle enough to not harm the boy, but was actually strong enough to heal him, and yet her voice was powerful enough to penetrate through the walls of the surrounding houses. Her voice was an elegant mix of gentleness and strength, so that all who heard her voice, would not be deafened by it. So when those who were hidden came to see who was singing, no one recognized Saraphine, but her song kept their attention, even the little boy who was now healed, remained with his head on her lap, just enjoying her song. One little girl grasping her mom's skirt asked "Mommy, is that an angel?", this was Saraphine nearing the end of her song, so when Saraphine finally came to realizing her surroundings, was able to hear the mother's reply "That is a saraphine, dear, they are one of the most powerful angels." And though Saraphine knew she was not really an angel, she decided to let that title be her name, especially if it brought people comfort. So when she sat the boy up and he found his mom who had previously lost her son, Saraphine stood and came to realize her transformation, both accepting that and the people's attention on her. She realized her voice was powerful, and figured she must have been born with magic that only awakened just now. And that is where I would end Saraphine's story bio for now. *I realize this isn't something Riot will use for Saraphine's story, but since they seem to be lacking a story for her, I figured that I would just provide one.* I realize my story for her will not be completely accurate for Runeterra, but I hope whoever reads this will find it enjoyable enough. Have a good day.
yo if anyone reads this. remember the girl in ww story? it could be her especially with his line: "i knew her, but not from where" so you could try and put that together
I remain unimpressed after these "edits" and her story.Despite all of riots attempts to bring out some kind of emotion with this character I still feel nothing whenever I think about her.
I think you could see it as her wanting to hear more of the voice in the crystal and the voice only sings when the cities get somewhat close. So her wanting to hear the voice completely is the reason she wants to unite the citys
I've notifications turned on but i didnt receive a notification for this video, i was just lucky enough to go to TH-cam landing page and find it this early.
The biggest question sticking out to me is, "How did she get this power/What exactly is it?" She can apparently "hear" people's souls and the emotions in them in the form of music, and she can somehow sing back to those souls in a way that resonates with them, which is why she became so popular so quickly -- her song hits each person in exactly the right way to resonate with them. But how? What's the basis of that power? If it's just some type of basic magic then why hasn't anyone else been able to do this before, especially if she can do it so easily and on instinct? It seems to me like her ability is pretty unique, and so therefore it must come from some unique source. Following that, the next question is, "How does this fit into the rest of the lore?" I think it would be kind of silly for this seemingly unique and rather interesting ability to be relegated to a side-character, someone who is just kinda... there. Who doesn't do anything in the lore, like a more photogenic Gragas. I think they could probably set up the answer for the latter by providing a compelling enough answer to the former, and I have an idea I would like to propose for this. Her ability seems to be soul-based, which is kind of a big deal. Not just anyone can use soul magic, and even the "mere mortals" who can don't seem to find it too easy. So what if her ability's origin comes from some sort of foreign source, something that was not originally part of her? Something like a soul shard or fragment from some kind of "Higher Being", like a Celestial or something. This "Higher Being" was associated with souls and/or emotions, but some time in the past its soul was split into pieces (maybe it was "killed" or maybe it did it to itself intentionally). Some of these shards found their way to Runeterra, and one found its way to Seraphine. This particular fragment of this soul, which was full of optimism and joy and kindness, sort of melded with hers in a symbiotic relationship, allowing it to survive as part of her soul and granting her its power. This is why she has such a bright personality, always looking for the good in everyone and everything and trying to help reconcile Zaun and Piltover, as well as why she is able to "hear" other's souls and sing back to them. It's that bright, joyful soul fragment that has literally become a part of who she is. This leaves a lot of potential for growing her story, as well as introducing other characters (who could eventually become champions) or even updating original ones. I mentioned how multiple pieces of this "Higher Being's" soul fell to Runeterra, and perhaps some of these other soul fragments found their way into other people (or perhaps even animals?), imbuing their most prominent characteristics upon their "hosts," such as curiosity, competitiveness, compassion/empathy, vengeance, and the like. Where this could go from here is that these soul shards bonded to different people are calling out to each other, but they're so distant from each other their calls are faint. Seraphine can't hear these calls now because it is drowned out by all the "noise" of Zaun and Piltover, but if she ever goes out to a secluded enough place or somehow the clamor settles down enough she'll be able to hear that calling, and she'll want to chase it and eventually will meet up with some of them. I think it would be sort of interesting to see the clashes of personality between the more positive, light-hearted hosts like Seraphine and the more negative, grim/dark ones, and how they try to work around those differences. And since Seraphine is all about trying to help mend old wounds in people's hearts, she could play a key role in their getting along. Idk. Maybe I'm overthinking all this and Riot does just want another side-character. But I think that would be a shame.
Here are a couple ideas off the top of my head for characters based on the soul shards’ features: - Curiosity: The host has this sort of childish wonder for the world and constantly seeks to understand how it works, yet is incredibly knowledgeable and far from naive due to his love of learning. He loves sharing their own expertise and seeking new knowledge. For him, learning and teaching is the greatest calling in life, though actually applying his knowledge to practical applications (such as inventing) is not something he is as passionate about -- that is seen more as a means to the end of acquiring more knowledge. While he does have morals (he doesn’t go around kidnapping people to vivisect), he also considers nothing sacred or taboo (he is completely willing to steal and dissect already deceased cadavers). - Empathy: The host acts as a sort of local nexus for the emotions of everyone around him, absorbing the emotions people feel and projecting them in an aura around himself. However, he has developed an iron grip over his own emotions in order to avoid getting swept away into other’s emotions. Generally, this mental discipline also allows him to control his emotional aura, suppressing it in part or in totality at will. He lives in Ionia, so the widespread suffering caused by the war has caused him to become a veritable fountain of life for Azakana, who can feed off of many people’s worth of negative emotion all at once just by being close to him. The fact that several follow him around yet do not harm him (not that they could if they tried, due to his iron will letting him resist their manipulations) has earned him the moniker "demon lord" among the Ionians who know about Azakana. Some of the more older and more powerful Azakana have even become protective of their meal ticket, even tentatively obeying him at times for fear of him suppressing his aura and starving them away. - Vengeance/Penance: The host can "feel" the physical and emotional pain of others around him as if it were his own, and he can feel who is responsible for that pain. This results in him being extremely short-tempered. This “phantom pain” builds up over time and takes a long time to fade unless he offloads it onto those responsible for causing that pain. By forcing those responsible to feel the pain they caused, in what he calls "Penance," he can cleanse himself of that pent-up agony. He does this by inflicting “phantom pain” directly into the targets’ minds/souls. This pain can cause the target to feel multiple types of pain at once without actually being harmed, such as broken bones or grief. For people with weak minds and/or too much to repent for, this may be overwhelming and fatal, but since it affects their soul directly even death cannot help them escape their Penance.
There’s something cool I think everyone misses when you play seraphine in her story she talks about hearing everyone song and longs for them to come together to make a beautiful song well a really cool Easter egg of this is seraphine passive if you get near other allied champions you’ll hear music as more allied champions gather around you more instruments get added to the background music when all five champs are in there they make up one of seraphine released songs that’s a node to her lore each character has a song and when we all come together we make beautiful music !
But she have it (in the kda universe)! Only reason for explain the mary sue birth, 0 coerence with estetic and plothole with itty bit of story around it
Theres one way to fix her lore, make her an indie idol that went from region to region singing channeling everyones voice, then when she came to zaun and piltover she heard the voices of the crystals which made her curious, she began collecting them and in doing so she began to hear a song that as she continued to gather more crystals it became stronger and clearer, so she stayed in P&Z to figure the secret pf the voices, as she became more famous she reached the truth about the crystals and the souls trapped inside so she decided to gather all of them so she could find a way to take them home, there, she's not someone who became an idol overnight but she was already one but not that popular, she became aware of the souls later and decided to help them be together, this way she doesn't seem bratty
Riot: so the fanbase hates seraphines lore? we need to fix it Also riot: LeTs ChAnGe LeSs ThEn 1 PaRaGrApH but seriously this is still lazy riot could atleast to pretend to care about her runeterra lore
I mean, they also did it for Karma. One paragraph changing the end of her bio. But the thing is... Karma 's problem on her LORE and that was easy to fix. Seraphine on the other hand... the problem is her whole character design, not just her LORE. A fix like this won't change her core problems
@@bestnameever1850 that can open up a plot point where seraphine eventually discovers the truth about the crystals, making her realize the cruelty that revolves around her equipment and hextech and making her go insane or something idk if it is something riot would even consider given how seraphine is as a character (generically light-hearted and etc.) but hey, it would be cool
@@lagc5103 And maybe she can have a story where she uses her pop status to try and make this information know. but some other piltover family trys to stop her
Ah yes. Seraphine turning her emotions, feelings, doubts, fears, into single notes, that then turn to droplets, floods, rivers in fact, that take on laminar flow and wash over the crowd... Good job riot, you managed to stuff more bs into her story than you have into your Season 11 items.
I think if she and skarner met, both their stories would develop tremendously. It would definitely develop seraphine as a character, giving her more struggle and emotional development other than her struggle with her powers. I would love for skarner and Seraphine to turn into allies rather than how people are pitting them as enemies.
Well if she's an Empath like she's written, the reason why she would try to bring the places together would probably to end the negative emotions between them. Emapthic characters are sensitive to emotional turmoil and it can cause them pain if left unchecked. Maybe if they wrote that it was painful for her to the point of physically affecting her, would give her a reason to stop the conflict. As for the crystals, I think how they have her right now is the best spot for her to find out about the Skarner race. As it said her the story, she knew the voice had to be heard. This could play towards her finding out what the crystals really are and her trying to stop their use by trying to prove to people they are alive (via their soulsong) or something.
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Necrit: "Unfortunately, they still ignore the other big problems."
Riot has a tendency to do that, my friend.
Yet again here you are :D
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I wish they made it so Seraphines mom was from Zaun and her dad was from Piltover, that would be so cool and such a good motivation as her ultimate goal to unite the two cities
YES, I saw someone comment that her inspiration was to unite Zhaun and Piltover because she lived in both. She didn’t btw she spent her first less then a year of living in Zhaun and by the time she’s older she wouldn’t remember that, and it doesn’t seem heroic or even fitting to have the be her inspiration. I completely agree that making her parents from different lands would be the best for uniting both cities, that would feel really heroic and give her a less selfish vibe.
No, that requires too much effort
@@sphallolalia3079 Yep. It's something that helps the character.
THIS. at least she would have a REASON to unite the cities, besides “they sing well together”
That worked for explaining a dynamic between two places with Sett (Ionia/Noxus) so it definitely work here as well
I mean, her lore isn't as horrible now but I still feel like she's the first ever skin to get a champion
Well put.
well you must be new here then....back in the day riot used to just put whatever into runeterra and that was that, they designed whatever was cool and slapped a story to it... so all the old champions were like that....
@@uchiha617hh That's true, but lately they've been trying to have a cohesive lore. They may or may not have been completely successful in that endeavor, but they were trying. Even Zoe and Yuumi have pretty solid spots in the lore, but Seraphine is full of unaddressed holes that Necrit has pointed out. The old champ style was fine when that was the norm, but it's not anymore.
@@promatheus951 Seraphine with bullet holes 😍
hahaha
Aatrox when he get trapped in a sword : can't breath, can't feel, can't talk, only thought, wanted to *game end* himself
Hundred of Brekarn soul when they get trapped in a floating flatform : "this is fine"
They get to listent to songs, also idk if its possible for crystals to breathe
Aatrox feel constant pain when he trapped in sword, its a reason of his wishes to suicide
@@ztashed6366 I feel constant pain in my body and because of my family so I want to suicide checks out ;(
@@cin2110 hey man, do you need someone to talk/vent to?
@@cin2110 we can play together like bffs
I feel like her goal is:
Less headache.
Or at least
Better sound in the city.
"Damn this whole place sounds like vocal diarrhea, y'all mind singing to one song so I don't have to deal with everyone with incoherent conflicting desires and shit?"
And then Urgot spears her off the stage and grinds her into rainbow cotton candy for the zaunite kids to enjoy.
Imagine trying to unite Caitlyn and Warwick at one concert.
@@Wildjesta Project ww be like 👁️👄👁️
@@Wildjesta bruh
That's what happens when you make a skin for champion in alternative Universe first, and then make a classic one.
Like you would know anything about it.
@Felix XD Like YOU would know abything around it. He is right cause thats exactly what happened.
@@YetiCOOL112 When making a character the natural design of the character comes first as to make them connect with the original story. Then other designs come second, like if they were to go on a adventure or from another timeline, different designs are made. If you make the secondary designs first then the original design won't contrast with the others.
It's like going to a renaissance fair, but instead wearing a medieval knight's armor, you decide to dress up as Darth Vader.
@@remnantryku7112
I'd do that
It still bothers me that she's trying to fix a blood filled conflict between two cities filled with psychopaths with singing.
Imagine Urgot blasting her with a single shotgun knee move oh yea
@@peri2656 nothing would please me more.
Yeah, just like what ling mingmei from sdf macross did
Singed, I red the newest story, boy dat guy is such a frk!
I'm gonna assume there're will be another faction coming into play.
Skarner is going to be Moses.
"let my people go" Scorpion
his people is dead ...
@@Manu-dm5qd well not really since Brakens carry their memories and stuff in their dead corpse (the crystals) then the new gen would absorb them and continue the cycle.
@@Manu-dm5qd they are being killed
And then every zaunian and piltovian first born child will die on one night if they didn't painted their doors with the blood of a sacrificed sheep
𝗧𝗛𝗨𝗦 𝗦𝗔𝗬𝗘𝗧𝗛 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗟𝗢𝗥𝗗
(ᵗʰᵘˢ ˢᵃʸᵉᵗʰ ᵗʰᵉ ˡᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒʳᵈ)
ngl I still feel bad for Skarners people from her LOL XD
so piltover uses hextech crystals like the robots used humanity in the matrix
@@sweetxnothing13 without the matrix
At least she's not directly involved this time.
I don't feel bad for Skaner's people at all, between an old forgettable race of monsters and technology, i choose technology any day lol, besides, Skarner is a crappy old ass champion xD.
Camille's family are the true culprits.
In a way, just making her KDA lore canon and just saying "She somehow got summoned to Summoners Rift cause magic" would have been decently believable.
It was how Malphite, Taric and Ezreal originally ended up as champions originally back when the game itself with summoners and all were still canon (Malphite and Taric were legit aliens and Ezreal just got his glove that made him end up getting pulled in accidentally every now and then)
@@jonsku6662 literally every champion were dragged into the game in the retconned summoners lore wdym just taric malp and ez
I would actually be fine with that because althought what they were doing were shitty in itself they were still coming clean with it unlike this clusterfuck of a mess
Yeah. It would be a good way to patch things up.
@@nudgeone7927 Most went in for political/personal reasons and whatnot, I just mentioned those three as an example regarding the whole pulling Seraphine from the other universe into Runeterra
Seraphine's problem is that she was made for KDA and not Runeterra, simple as that
This is true
best summary for all her problems
True, many people are saying that it's the first champ made for a skin lmao, they should've just made a KDA sona skin
@@zenzei7907 Could you imagine Sona having a twitter account similar to Seraphine but also bringing in some mute people problems on her way to suddenly being pulled into KDA? That would just feel more organic and all compared to making a whole new champion for it
you spelled marketing wrong
So now she seems less evil, but her story still has no real place, struggle, or substance
For me she still evil
I mean... progress? Not really, but Riot will pretend it is
i think they should have commited to the evil side, would have made for a much more entrataining story
She's just more ignorant.
@@xaveriuzxalv6572 ......Bruh
Tbh at this point I can't even understand what they expected with the realese of this champion. They already said in a video that they realized that the community likes when Champions have a good connection with the Lore and other Champions (Examples: Sylas, Senna, Yone etc...). Then they created Seraphine, I understand that you want a champion to give skin to but, you could predict all of this backslash just by knowing something that you stated in one of your own videos.
riot: what?? they dont like when i make cashgrabs champs that pander to popular culture??? what is this?
Kda is better without seraphine
No try to understand it, her motivation is to unite the two cities who have been enemies for ages...
The as necrit said, it was an initial lore rework.. to remove the brackern backlash which is not an imp part of her lore... Further rework should include the key points bringing more color and description to her lore..
Including her key motivation, Cloth scheme etc..
@@d3faltxd I hope so as well
@@d3faltxd It's definitely needed.
I wish she has a canon meeting with one of the more twisted individuals like Singed or Urgot. Maybe that'd prove some form of struggle to her, trying to comprehend how such messed up individuals can exist and whether or not it's worth saving the city where such individuals are the norm and not the exception
Yeah she just sounds like a pilty who doesn't understand what's happening in Zaun
Yeah man starving exploited underclass aside zauns pretty much a factory for terrorist, organized crime, and freaks of nature and youd have to a very heavy of mix of optimistic and stupid to think that can change non violently.
Hell half the zaunite champs make camille look reasonable and her whole job is killing people and keeping the working class down.
Also WW, a murderous punisher "werewolf", like sooner or later she will find one of them
@@aeroanosupremo Assuming she doesn't have any cuts (or blood), she could be fine. I also imagine she could learn about WW and get him calm enough for her to try and help him somehow.
@@tonypeppermint5329 would be interesting to see Warwick talk, guy has barely 3 minutes of dialogue I think
Urgot : "I seek an uprising to weed out the weak."
Swain : "I seek to unite all under Noxus in preparation of a bigger threat."
Skarner : "I seek to return my race back to normal."
Seraphine : *"Music go brrr. We defeated the CEO of racism."*
Lillia: OH I HIT YOU IM SO SORRY.
Mordekaiser: "I rip and teared for my belief for an afterlife of glory for one's power, only to find an empty plane of existence to disappear to, so I decided to build a hall for myself from the souls of others!"
Lillia: "I was born from the dream of something that holds dreams, but it's starting to die from not getting dreams anymore, so I'll go out and get those dreams for it myself."
Seraphine: "Hearing people's a headache, but people not like each other so I listen anyway thanks to this rock that keeps screaming in agony"
Um... Is it really racism if both city's are just in the same country. Discrimination is fine and all but I think that kind of word only works quite farther than that. Like Ionia/Noxus far.
@@grimmrockbro3597 No, it's possible, especially if there are laws that allow discrimination to exist without problem.
lol youuuuuu
Is it just me or her story is kinda boring? Before they fixed it I was actually hoping she would be a villain
Its incredibly boring.I dont like Samira but at the very least it ties her lore into other champions including a future one.
Her story is so bad (and bad written) that she appear as somewhat evil when the intention was to make a poor sensitive soul with good intentions.
Considering she's supposed to be basically the same one as the KDA universe Seraphine, there's no way they would make her evil in any way, she's supposed to be all #relatable and yada yada
(or, you know something something girl power and Mary Sue or something)
It would be cool if she is two-faced
It would've been cool if it turned out she's actually a bad person but Riot clearly wanted her to be a protagonist
If just if, the soul in the crystals are actually in agony while being used as hextech crystals and when she sings she make those in agony to calm down for sometime that would make her lore more bearable
This would actually be really nice
And yet, we have this pile of shit. (Seraphine not OP)
ok, that actually would make sense with brackern helping her then
And it would fix her voice lines
@@richardhuang7158 i mean it's so easy to fix her lore though?
like her kit is similar to sona and her out of place outfit
- their is an aspect of rythm long ago that travel to many places to play music and sing like a bard, and because of that he has countless number of trysts... and one of his decendants isd seraphine and another one is sona who has the weapon of the said aspect though no one knows
"She still looks out of place"
**laughs in KDA LoR cards*
KDA card feel like knife in back.
still cant believe they made the cards permanent and not labs only
And the fact that none of those were balanced make it worse
@@facebookuser1653 every single one of them is just a card that already exists, but better, even on similar regions too, like the Ahri one wich is just better Warmothers
@@eruick047 bet theyll super focus on these cards and change them from time to time so they dont end up as dead cards
So, they just take the easy exit and simply put an end to the whole ''I know about the slavery and genocide of an entire race but I won't do nothing about while I sing in the name of goodness and empathy.''
TLDR: Still an empty champ.
Honestly doubling down on that situation would even be better instead of some all-good pure girl.
It would add some depth to character.
they made her emptier somehow, bruh
Well now that they fixed the inherit problem in her lore now they can add to her by simply giving her more stories to flesh her out. They can fill up how she came so popular and give her some character flaws. Also now that she doesn't fully understand what the soul in the crystal wants they can have a story line for her where she begins to understand about what is going on with the souls in the crystals and tries to do something about it but then some higher ups in Piltover try to stop her. A good antagonist for that plot line could be Camile who tries to keep her family business running.
@@thechainwarden I thought something like that
Seraphine would have travel somehow to the Crystal Scar, met Skarner and learn the truth, then trying to protect them both while trying Zaun and Piltover have some peace, we know Camille is involved, also Viktor and Jayce
There's potential for good stories, Seraphine isn't a bad person for not doing anything even knowing where the crystals come from, maybe singing it's the way to bring peace to Piltover and Zaun with the help of the Brackern Soul after learning the truth, maybe the one she has wants to help so they can free more souls from the crystals leaving them powerless while not killing anyone
The facial expressions of her model...are.....something.
Are something to make your own nightmares crawl in fear into the blanket with you
It's perfect. I remember when Necrit asked if she liked to cause pain and we got a close-up of her giving a big smile.
Fish....
the ultimate skin's first form splash art has some horrific animation
Ugly and fast made
Just one comment on her in-game appearance: Her hair not breaking her neck, is the biggest magic in this game ever. (Bigger than Nami floating.)
What a pity.
Fr tho😂 how the hell can her head carry that giant pink hair
Nami is swimming or surfing.
@@alienworld780 🤓
@@xmissamy :v
Watch them just say that her Twitter depression is canon and that's her struggle.
The problem with her is that she still doesn't fit the world. This is like shoving Rapunzel into a random tower in Game of Thrones, and not a human Rapunzel, a cartoony Pixar Rapunzel. This is basically season 8 of Game of Thrones, random ass fan service that don't make sense. The idea was cool, but there's a reason why it was fan theory.
Another problem of why she feels so off is her playstyle, it feels shoved in and last second. If her playstyle was more defined and unique then it would fit her unique style in the Lore, gameplay and Lore are different things but Gameplay is suppose to exaggerate the Lore and make it almost a legend.
Think of any champion, lets just say Yasuo. His gameplay makes you wonder about his power level in the Lore and how much he can actually do against champions like Zed. It makes you wonder about his abilities that would fit in the Lore.
Even with simple champions like Sett gameplay wise, His glowing W look makes you imagine him using his vastaya powers during a fight in the lore, if he even has any.
But with Seraphine, you look at her character design and abilities and you just think to yourself, why? What does this really do to add to her character. It's basically Sona but Sona actually has a good backstory and that's the problem. Seraphine's Gameplay adds a little bit to the Lore but her Lore is terrible in the first place so it's even worst.
You can bring up Aatrox and Riven's similarities but Aatrox is basically a god killer and his destructive big motion in his abilities show that power, His ultimate and His Q's.
5:03 enough said
she literally never had "twitter depression" she might have acted sad twice but I guess gen z thinks depression = sadness now.
@@chey1863 "When playing her, you actually have to pay attention to which abilities you use and in which order you use them"
To proc Power Chord?
I disagree on the playstyle, she plays more like a nami than a sona. Sona is the best scaling support on game but has a shitty laning phase while Seraphine scales alright and has a pretty strong early game. She can do alot of things if she manages land her slow and hard to hit abilities which is identical to how namı plays out.
Mundo, zoe, and yordles exist. But a magical singer doesn't make sense.
for me seraphine's design and clothes shoud be a mix between piltover and zaun she wants them to unite so she having clothes that are a mix from both cities would make sense
nah that would not make her marketable. She gotta have a pink cool dress and shit. Honestly this is comparable to project irelia, and some other skins that have been released lately, like that one from thresh. They clearly changed their designers, for the worst.
Wouldn't that piss the two sides even more? I mean i know zero about the lore but if the two cities hate each other so much mixing their culture would piss them off. A cool idea though.
@@Shadowhunterbg their culture is kinda mixed already, honestly. Even though they're two different cities one is literally on top of the other. It's one big mess
@@bigvidboi4909 Are you talking about Thresh Spirith Blossom? Because if it is about that one, then I don't really agree, I actually loved that skin (Project skins look cool too), it's great that they make skins for the thirsty women or men (or non-binary if you will), they give you the money while the players enjoy, hell, God knows I don't play Cassiopeia but I snatched her Spirit Blossom skin as soon as I got it on a chest. What I don't like it's exactly what they did with Seraphine, cute pink dress and celestial-like clothes? Great skin line! Look at the Star Guardian skins. The problem? It's not a skinline, it's supposed to be her classic look, it's horrible. Thresh Spirit Blossom looked gorgeous alongside with Cassiopeia, Ahri, Lillia and everyone else, they could have still made Seraphine look cute without having to make something flashy like this, check out Neeko, Zoe or Lillia. Dissapointed but not surprised.
@@bigvidboi4909 Sorry if I misunderstood your comment btw, this is what I got from it.
How Riot fixed her lines:
I can __[VAUGELY]__ hear the Brackern's Crystal.
The Brackern fuel our ci- [REDACTED]
Scarner, I do __[NOT]__ hear the souls of your people.
All other lines have been edited/ [REDACTED] for sellable waifu puposes.
They could have make a amazing character with her if they would stop pushing for "perfect and naive cute girl" persona.
She would make a amazing evil character if they doubled down on the hextech thing.
Put both the versions of her lore as canonical and make her someone with double personally
@@strider8662 Well I mean, who wants a waifu that’s evil but damn would I want her to be evil because that’ll be so good like if she’s controlling people with her voice abusing the power of Skarner’s dead relative/soul to make people do what she wants(wait a second that’s simping and Pokimane in a nutshell)
@@JohnZ- Is that really a question? Who wants a waifu that is evil? literally every second person on this planet.
@@mineborders Well uh, some Yandere Waifu’s are evil but people simp them
Then she got recruited by KDA, and left everything behind to perform at worlds.
She wasnt recruited by kda. Its just common collab. Like BTS and Halsey, Steve Aoki and Monsta X, Dua Lipa and Blackpink. And even the KDA with their songs made with 2 (G)Iddle members and Madison Beer with Jaira Burns and Lexie Liu.
I wonder if she can hear Jinx's theme song in her head when she comes across Jinx
Probably.
"shoot faster" that would be hilarious, Jinx singing about killing people in her head and then Seraphine thinking she can unite two cities who have years of hatred and class differences/problems
Now what would stop Jinx from shooting Seraphine. Wont Jinx benefit from killing her because that would create a lot of chaos and Jinx lives only to cause chaos.
I could imagine jinx skipping by and seraphine is just in the corner having savinh private ryan flashbacks
@@thelastwolffe2167 Jinx would gave fun when she discovered Seraphine dream
So she doesn't know anymore... now shes not mean, shes just ignorant.
both facet of a single coin yes?
Dude. How could she ignore it if she's really interested on talking to her crystal? Saying she should do something about it is like cooking without looking at the manual. She lacks info to take action. Please find a better word for your complaint please.
@@grimmrockbro3597 ignorant doesn’t mean to ignore it means to not know
In case of "we fucked up" put the bliss blanket, 100% fuckups approval and with it a paper "she did not know about it" permit!
@@animeluva424 Oh then that means your wrong. She's been trying to with it since day one and she's still trying. It's not that she doesn't want to know but she wants to know but bad reception on the other side is f*king her.
I really wish she met Jinx in her lore instead. I mean what better way to learn how to use your voice than from someone who is loud and Brash like Jinx. She finds a common enemy in her alliance with Jinx and learns how to use her voice for good. On top of which will also explain the flashy clothes because Jinx likes to also stand out and im sure Seraphine will pick some stuff up from her.
no no, he's got a point.
She does meet Jinx with a voiceline commenting on her song.
That doesn't make sense when you look at Jinx's supporting cards in LoR. Also, does Jinx really have that kind of wardrobe? It's too shiny.
Alliance with Jinx wouldn't work if her goal is to unite people and mayhem is the exact opposite of it.
@@cye2310 iff you think about it, jinx does ally people... against herself.
The more I learn about her, the more I dislike her.
The first part of this video nailed it.
If she was an opera singer or some type of odd guitarist or some strange Piltover musician, that would make it amazing.
Vi's theme song comes to mind.
Someone else in the comments laid out a really good summary for what she could have been if she was from Zaun. And maybe she could have made friends with Janna?
But instead we get rainbow puke OnlyFans Delle Bellphine pimped out of a candy store using the souls of a race to power her "hover board".
Everybody uses Brackern crystals to power technology. Even Jayce
@@lasuperchavasentai1907 But Jayce doesn't use the powerful Brackernsoul-infused crystals to power his flying loudspeaker.
@OHGAS in her adjusted lore, she doesn't even know that they're alive, she just thinks it's some kind of a voice
@@lasuperchavasentai1907 Camille's family is the true culprit.
@OHGAS imagine getting angry on a game that is dieing
I still dont think the patches help the relationship between Seraphine and the Brackern. The lore implies that the Brackern are “fine” with their servitude by being kind to the people who extracted them and are using their souls to fuel machinery. Doesn’t make sense to me.
It could be better if the Bracken Soul considers Seraphine to be a important tool because it doesn't trust her completely, willing to step in and tell her some important details before stepping back.
It still gives that "slavery was a choice" vibe and that reeeeally isn't a good look
Well you need to remember the Brakern arent human, they dont think like us.
So when that Brakern sensed the genuinely innocent song of Seraphine, it responded how it thought Seraphine deserved.
If Seraphine had been an evil person or something then the brakerns reaction would have been different.
@@rexerator Yeah. I would consider what the Bracken has to say to be the most important thing because to me, that would change Seraphine's entire appearance.
fr i wish they'd j face it, it wont make sense unless she wants to do something about the backern being used or she's a twofaced villain. both is what most ppl would be happy with, and its much better than whatever this 'ignore ignore I'm ur wifu gimme ur money' bs
She is even more uninteresting with those "lore change"... maybe they should have change her design instead ! C'mon riot SHE DOESN'T F I T and this prove it 5:05. She's a unicorn among horses... litteraly
More like an unicorn among donkeys
@@nechocat1234 Gordon Ramsey for league 2021
@@nechocat1234 Or she's the donkey among horses XDD
It looks like a star guardian among other people. Her hair color is not natural at all, it looks too magical
@@somdutt6303 i think that is the point, no? A spoiled rich girl, with silly clothing and hair trying to fix things with song, vs actual busy people
In my opinion, Riot should have made her evil in the Runeterran lore, she would've been more interesting.
this or not make her from PnZ when she clearly looks more targonian etc
Would still be #relatable and all, because music industry
Ooooh seraphine a member of the black 🌹 rose??
Can someone explain me why so many people disliked the story with skarners race? Wouldnt it be such an interesting lore when Seraphine seems just so perfect to everyone with the mindset "I love everyone" but has such an evil and selfish background?
@@zefix3133 because people thought she was torturing skarner’s people with the crystal but that is not the case. and yeah everyone seems to be fine with all of PnZ using hextech but somehow sera is the problematic one. also there are champs with way more cruel lores in which they actually torture and kill for fun like eve, yet eve is super loved. seeing skarner be oppressed just gave a reason for everyone to hate sera so yehh. i do agree that her base lore was super rushed and she doesnt look like piltovian at all, idm her using the crystal though
Still don't understand why riot didn't make her siren like champ.
Honestly, a siren or someone from Nami’s clan would’ve been a cool concept, especially how most of her Twitter was about being near water it feels so empty to have a Star guardian dressed girl try to unite Zhaun and Piltover for no actual reason, and she hears voices and that’s it, it’s so disappointing
Yes. PLEASE. Imagine the possibilities. She even already has a charm, siren lore would be perfect
Yeah I expected her to be a siren not a literal pop star
@Damani Campbell Too many anime weebs and UWU simps are already loving Seraphine. I can’t imagine Riot further addressing this character in the future. Her only potential was a skin for her participation in KDA, and that shit is over.
im sayinggg, the way she sits on her stage reminded me of a siren sitting on a rock or something
Her design still looks like not Piltovan. I've seen some fan redesign of her outfit and they look more suitable for Piltover/Zaun. And she still is "very famous in Piltover and Zaun", but she hasn't mentioned in ANY story, even indirectly. So it seems like she's famous only in her imagination LuL And after the changes, there are even more questions. Like, for what reason the soul is helping her? How exactly did it help her? If the help was very small, how did it change her issue with a lot of voices in her head?
P.S.: *Edited after the end of the video.* They could have made her parents from separate regions, like, the mother is from Zaun, the father is from Piltover. And that could have driven her to unite both towns.
Had Riot done their homework, yes, they may have been able to make a few new lore mashes between Zaun & Pilt champs that reference Seraphine. We can only hope they do in future lore updates.
I wish riot made it a thing where Seraphine actually knew about Skarner's race, and she goes around trying to tell people. Start a revolution! Save the Brackern!
Use your voice to free the slaves, not enslave the masses..... i like that
That's what I'm really, really hoping for with these "changes" to make her more ignorant of the crystal's true identity. I'm hoping in her future lore, she can finally hear the Brackern voices and make a change.
@@KRV1351 but will also highlight even more her hypocritical methods by using the microphone and the useless hoverboard, due it feed on that 'willing' braken soul battery
@@alessandroseverino8222 her lore makes her out to be someone who wants to help. She's supposed to be more naïve than lux, almost all her in-game voice lines feel very light and playful. So ifbshe finally found out her character should be devastated, like that's her tragic flaw that she wants to help without knowing she's actually doing more damage
You can polish a turd, but it's still gonna be a turd.
Fact
Well to be fair, people said the same for the old lore of LoL
@@fery088 The old lore being bad doesn't make her story any better, though. She seems even worse than Soraka's "That guy was bad, so I transformed him into the animal he already was in his heart! Oh noes! I became a unicorn goat because I got my feelings corrupted by revenge!"
@@irisrain5171 I don't think the point was that "at least her story is better than the old lore" I think what Fery means is that the old lore used to suck, and Riot made it better (how much better is up to you). They could do the same for Seraphine down the line
@@irisrain5171 oh I agree that her story is bad. I was referring to the fact that they have done shit stories in the past and managed to make em good. While her base story is shit, let's hope a few short stories flesh her out a bit more, it hard but possible.
Lovely.
But they haven't explained how her parents even make it to piltover
Hard work and determination.
@@CRSB00 tecnically they sold all, yet are still capable of carry on and support her doing over carry themself in the lowtown of zaun, kinda far fatched still
Her parents have a better backstory than her with just two sentences. But it still doesn't make any sense at all. Leaving Zaun for Piltover is REALLY hard, even the richest Zaunites rarely even saw Piltover, well for some it's by choice because they find more opportunities in Zaun or/and are related to the Black Market there. BUT STILL, it's something only a few people with good wealth achieved to do. That doesn't seem like her parents at all. Would they be criminal that achieved to get on Piltover's lower levels without an authorization? That would be actually cool but they're not saying anything about it.
Also, you can't be POOR yet afford to move and STAY at Piltover AND THEN BUY A FUCKING HEXTECH CRYSTAL WITH YOUR * SAVINGS * those are the most important value of all of Piltover and not everyone have custom Hextech equipment. I used to be on roleplay forums and I was on one about League at some point. If I even suggested a story like that at the time for a custom character I would have been laughed at.
EDIT: FFS, when she was only a twitter account and soundcloud, I really thought she was the Aspect of Music from Targon. And even making her having to flee Piltover/Zaun and climb Targon for whatever reason would have been a 1000 times better Lore, would have covered for her personality, clothings and lack of inner struggles once she became the Aspect.
Even in her story's illustration, she looks incredibly out of place =/ Star Guardian among medieval steampunk.
I feel a Piltover style jacket or vest over her regular putfit would make it a million times better.
Also remove the fairy wings, those seem a bit much
She only had a belt that looks from Piltover and thats it
I would say it’s more Victorian steampunk rather than medieval judging by the top hats and architecture
@@myriadofcolours9861 Ye.
Piltover is not really Medieval steampunk they have a more early Victorian to maybe late 19th century aesthetic?
9:01 "Her self doubt nestled into Seraphene, making her next breath a little easier". Oh I happen to a also find it comforting to nestle in the *self doubt* of others.
Misery loves company
the exact line was "Her self-doubt nestles into mine" and i think they intended for it to mean that she found comfort in being able to relate to another person
I think riot is reverting to their 2009 storytelling. Summed up: "It would take a miracle to become popular overnight, and to even get out of Zaun and have a decent life in Piltover afterwards, but Seraphine DID JUST THAT."
Perfect timing, now i got something to watch while i eat
Nice
now I got something to watch while I study
same
Eat well my brother
@@eerie_shroom8500 also nice
0:24 nice shoes teemo :)
So that's why he has that smug face
Voice in the crystal: PAIN, OH MY GOD, SO MUCH PAIN, WHERES IS MY FAMILY? WHERE AM I? SO. MUCH. PAIN
Seraphine: Good stuff. I sing now.
Thats so utterly incorrect lol
@@vinaamii3915 uhhh really?
@@applecakepizzawaffle1145 Yeah, I don't think Brackern while in their crystal form feel pain. I could be wrong though
@@vinaamii3915 Im just jokin around
@@cosmicstariight966 But the whole Brackern hivemind arent in coma because the pain of being shattered were so intense?
Go read the story "City of Iron and Glass". Seraphine's entire characteristic of wanting to unite Piltover and Zaun is ripped out of another character's lore
How different is that from someone like Wukong, who is heavily ripped off from Sun Wukong?
@@JMaverick67 Because Riot didn't invent Sun Wukong? This is them rehashing their OWN lore, not adapting a mythological character known throughout the world.
@@JMaverick67 so many old champion was pretty much the usual clichè. Alistar? "is a minotaur!"; Amumu? "Sad Mummy"; Kayle? "Angel"; Morgana? "fallen angel"; Wukong? "Sun Wukong, is pretty much in the name"; Ashe? "We just liked the drow archer"
@@alessandroseverino8222
Of course the old champs are simple, the game was just starting at the time, and so was the company, we are talking about completely different situations
Riot was lazy while making this champion, and they only did it to sell skins
@@App.ollo_ I'm well aware on how seraphine exist only for get some money, be it cause one of the big skinline success and then also the fact of make a twitter account who try to emphatise and indulge pity toward a 'depressed' FICTIONAL CHARACTER... Doing so many end up simping for the newfound 'anime waifu' (comments on her twitter or even the different trailers stating they was surely gonna buy the whole skinline or seraphine ultimate) or for show support fall trap of the marketing plan.
Nothing against the old champion, even if a silly parody they're working on making em feel unique or atleast feel part of the universe of Runeterra, Seraphine simply fail over and over on do such since the priority was the kda material
"Her appearance is a mixture of youthful Piltovan and Zaunite fashion, due to her spending time in both cities as a music performer."
That's a quote from the LoL wiki... So gold steampunk + green chempunk = bright pink anime idol.
Orianna: loses literally everything to help Zaun
Seraphine: has no real flaws, doesn't fit in Zaun or Piltover and yet still gets to exist...
For some reason they thought that was a good idea
@J C that's the point
I think where you're trying to get at, is that Seraphine's lore doesn't fit that of a hero, but that of a side character.
It's totally not like every famous people in real life has a tragic backstory/stuggle...
Yeah that's boring and this isn't real life
but the champions in league ARENT ordinary people. they aren't the kind of people that had a nice life, that was why in the old days they joined the league, to settle a score.
are you comparing real life famous people with famous "" people "" from a video game with demons, cosmic god dragons, elf lolis, and world ending gems?
You must be the kind who also wants realism in minecraft
Ugh i know right
Same with people complaining about asol his lore
Like its so accurite to real life cosmic dragons
Yeah you're right.
SERAPHINE DESERVES STAGE 4 CANCER
I swear she stole those clothes from Soraka's closet
That one night outfit to change her style a little and suddenly some Sona but more marketed took it to sci-fi town to get some pop
Now I'm sad they didn't just give Soraka a new skin :(
"Why does she look like a star guardian?" had me laughed so much
That one got me too.
When gragus has better lore then the new champ, we have a problem.
Gragas lore is drink everything like there is no tomorrow until he finds water to get sober, and Seraphine failed to top even that lol
gragas lore best lore
LMAO
Skarner gaming
Can we just keep pushing Riot for this and telling them how poor of an addition Seraphine is and not forget about it in 2 weeks time please everyone.
We are tryng to telling to rework this fast create champ we need to keep telling them this is not what we want
keep banning her from games, riot will eventually listen
I'll be begrudgingly satisfied if they keep her as-is, but treat her as non-existent for the purposes of their promotional material. If she shows up in the 2021 ranked season cinematic, then I'm going to have some very unkind words for Riot Games.
No, I actually like her.
0:05 cries in aurelion sol
Im legit crying
Why aurelion?
@@Roko-ph4dx he didn't appeared in the opening as usual.
@@carolineribeiro9063 I think it's more referring to the minor rework that somewhat gutted the champ.
@@lVlasterjuice I'm sad about that too, look how they massacred him.
"Riot was always good at is fixing their own mistakes"
Client: no
Seraphine shortened lore: Seraphine is a playable character, the end.
now you can go play the game.
Amazing
Sorry For can't help it "HHHHHEEEERRRROOOO!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU HEERO!" 🤣😂 I feel better now 😌
Real seraphine lore but shortened
I hate Music When it sound like shit let me murder some Ancient creatures
Even by changing the lore Seraphine is still bad
- Her design doesn't fit Piltover much less Runeterra or even League itself.
- Seraphine's voice is the complete opposite of what she's being marketed as and turned out sounding like a b*tch.
- Seraphine's kit is disappointing she's literally Sona with Neeko's Q, Zoe's W passive on her own W, and Skarner's E.
- Her "ultimate" skin.
I could continue picking on her but I'm pretty sure you get the idea.
you know what Seraphine could be a star guardian Sona. after rework that would be much better not this abomination lol.
I disagree on the kit, she is a really fun and good character to play. She fits really well with the rest of enchanter supports.
However I totally agree on the rest.
Sona with mixed abilities? so Its not sona?
Her kit is fine.
Problem is everything else, including the in game model. She moves way way way way way way way way way too much on her fucking hover board.
Her Kit and Ultimate Skin Part is Fine for me Anything else is eh
I would like to point out that her motivations are there. Her homes, two places where she grew up, are constantly at odds, and she wants nothing more to see all of the people that she cares about together. So, she continues singing, with the hopes that they can all continue to harmonize.
You know what would be interesting and possible from they way her story is told. What if the Brackern soul is actually pulling a Darkin move and is trying to control and influence Seraphine so the soul can have a body to free its people.
So to summarize, her lore has seen a decent improvement, but still needs a lot of work to be really any good. I'd classify her current (modified) lore as mediocre at best, as good as an amateur author's writing.
A kda fan too.
Decent is a bit of a stretch, they just made her not evil. Slight damage control alterations isn't enough to make her mediocre.
I personally think otherwise, I think a 13 year old could write this as part of a league fan fiction. They didn’t fix anything, if anything they made her more boring. At least before, she had the charm of being a villain, now she’s ignorant.
lol they just made her hearing ability less pronounced so she isn’t accountable for any lack of action on her part.
Does her new story remind everyone of sonas new story? The whole performance to soothe and help people, where she starts out nervous, but then focuses on her friend, and then the feelings of the people around her...the only difference is sona actually has a legitimate threat to her, giving her charecter real depth/motivation with the presance of the mage seekers
Also Sona has that graphic description of what her ult actually does to people. Everything about Sona is just more interesting than Seraphine.
I believe what’s wrong with seraphine is that she’s too cheery-looking but they tried so hard to give her a sad story; child with unstable magic abilities, poor parents, Zaunite, ancient dead race communication, and so on. Yet, she comes out on top, in a city where everything is about “make it or break it”. I still don’t get how Ekko grew up in the same conditions but he’s still in Zaun living in poverty. Sure, he accepts Zaun for what it is and prefers to live there but Seraphine apparently “hears” Zaun better than anyone and wants to unite both cities... so somehow her parents saved up enough money to ...buy her a shard of a hextech crystal which makes her a star.. immediately?! Her lore is just garbage and there’s no justifying it. They could’ve done so much more with her if they didn’t make her a star in minutes. We don’t even know piltover as a place that appreciates music... they’re all about inventing and progress so how is her music related to that? Garbage! She should’ve had a deeper connection to Zaun, she should’ve been blind or something that gives more purpose to her inhuman hearing or her stupid platform, she should’ve been struggling to become the next rising star, etc. They even could’ve made it so skarners lore was expanded upon by having her look into hextech crystals.. she could’ve been this crazy, magical girl who heard things within the crystals but no one believed her and maybe clan Ferros would try to shut her up to keep their integrity. I mean, I doubt anyone cares about a dead race being used for power buttttt... ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A POPSTAR THAT LIKES TO SMELL THE ZAUN GRAY FROM HER PERCH IN PILTOVER!!!
Seraphine should adopt vayne's line
"I hear the innocents cry out.
My question: Why would the soul(s) in the crystal help her at all? It'd have to know she's not a part of the hive, right?
I dont think it was helping her directly, by the crystal singing it's song it indirectly helped her understand how to control her magic(?) hearing.
The crystal also seems go have some overarching plan itself though. Maybe to make itself heard above the city is to convince sera to unify it.
@@kitnal4143 Maybe so it can make it's voice louder so Skarner can find them.
I hope its not gonna be one of those "they see the potential of the character" and that they believe she'll help free them eventually.
Do the crystal even realize that they aren't helping one of their kind?
I think it's fine that Seraphine's motivation is to unite Piltover & Zaun as much as she can. Due to her disability when she was a child (not being able to control hearing the voices of others in her head), she understands how it feels to be alone and having no one to understand what you're going through. But through her crystal, she now has something that understands her. The crystal also indicated to her that, if people don't understand each other, it can lead to conflict that would spiral out of control, similar to what she experienced when was a child.
Seraphine also brings up the fact that she's afraid that her own voice would get lost in the sea of voices she's singing about. Then the crystal indicates to her that they're all influenced by the voices around them. So I do think she acknowledges that she doesn't truly know herself, but that the way she's searching for that is through trying to truly understand others.
How to fix Seraphine:
Make her Targonian everything up there seems to be more about struggle, magic, and sparkles. Her appearance and her lore of being a popstar would be fitting. Being an Aspect of Music will give her a reason to exist just it is, before travelling to other lands like PnZ.
There is just one question.....does an Aspect of Music even exist?
@@garreonlefay6703 I mean there's an aspect of "getting people up this damn mountain" so there's probably an aspect for anything
Why would mountain people have a popstar lol
@@machtus Makes sense.
@@machtus damn, that's a fact😂
I still want to when skarner finds her they become a dynamic duo to save the brakern.
It wasnt that bad tbh but sheesh shes still seen as a champion that came from kda but not runeterra
I love the champ, but riot seriously fucked up with her runeterra concept... She makes SO much sense in the KDA universe, executed PERFCTLY. She has little to no good lore in runeterra tho :/
@@mel1723 simply cause the goal of sera was the marketing and build upon the kda universe?
in my opinion, she's the definition of a mary sue
That's not just your opinion, she IS a Mary Sue.
A character that never changes, always succeeds and everyone loves her. Even Rey from Disney's Star Wars trilogy is less of a Mary Sue than Seraphine.
@@AzureRoxe well said, dude
Agree
0:22 i can't unsee teemo wearing heels
I want Spirit Blossom Teemo with heels as the new K/DA skin
In before "WhAt's wR0ng w/ thAT yOu CIs bIGoT?!1?".
Riot doesn't care, they just want to sell kda sera skin. While doing the bare minimum to avoid community backlash.
I mean she's first generation Piltovan of Zaun immigrants, ppl of mixed backgrounds often struggle with their mixed heritage and in turn their identity, as some one who's in between she has a unique perspective of both conflicting sides and so it would be natural for her to seek ways for both groups of ppl to coexist, many find this common ground through mediums like music and since she grew up with little it make sense her best trait to bring this about is her voice, her own natural born talent. A lot of this rlly goes w/o saying
But it not well developed, they just say "hey, she has feels because of this" and that's all. It's not well exploited, like all the points her lore tries to make.
It could of worked like that, now you bring it up.
This is great, but this seems like after the fact. Like it wasn't their original intention (there is a slim chance it was) but that was out the window. Im glad you can find it relatable though.
@@Monar88 it's literally all over in her lore bio about how she see's the two sides detest each other and how she wants to bridge resentment and misunderstanding of each opposing side
@@MysticDojo It's told to us, but the problem is that it's not _shown_ to us. That's the first and foremost rule of all storytelling.
This is like sticking a wad of gum in a leaking dam lol.
And thinking it is a Flex Tape commercial lol
Yeah, they should've used something stronger. Like duct tape. Duct tape works great for most things.
But maybe not a dam. Guess we're back to square one.
Hmmmmm just make her lore to make money get crystals and go to shurima thats better right?
Skarner: HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA why seraphine?
Seraphine: did I hear something? No problaby just my imagination
I think at this point they must be resigned to being used by everyone and are just trying to speak what they can
Seraphine is an abomination that shouldn't have ever been released. 200 just became 2000
She was good as a kda universe only character. Making her playable was not a good move
I wished we got a badass Pantheon like Champ
@@Jeff-lc7lp hopefully the metal twisting support (since for rior sera is a mid mage... with that kit who rely on others for work...) will deliver such feel
I think a simple fix they could use to have Seraphine personally want Zaun and Piltover in harmony would be to have her mom from Piltover and her dad from Zaun - instead of both of them from down there - and that she could see how beautiful the song between them was, that they fell in love with one another through the music hextech they each worked on and shared with Seraphine when she was growing up. Then, she sees Pilties and Zaunites fighting all the time and she wants to sing to show them that if people come together and try and learn about one another, love and harmony can be found, just like with her parents.
If you look at seraphines ult ingame, it’s a wave of sound wich she is making through singing, and charming the opposing champion
I Think this is the reason for seraphine to just become the most known singer throughout piltover and zaun from one day to the other
That her singing has some sort of a charming ability.
Mby also the crystal is impowerring her ability to charm people or guiding her how to use her powers, hens why she only became popular after getting help from the crystal
It also sound like you describe that she can her what people are feeling, through sound and music, mby that’s also the reason why she can charm people with her singing. That she sings in a way that triggers something in peoples minds
That's dangling dangerously, DANGEROUSLY close to Sona territory honestly-
@@Lyres-Liar-In-The-Lairi dont know sona's lore
I swear to god seraphine's expressions make me laugh so hard, it looks like a tf2 parody
I feel that it would be interesting if Seraphine's lore talked more about her ability to listen to the voices of the Brackern. Maybe she could start some kind of revolution in Piltover and Zaun about the ethical use of Hextech Crystals through her songs similarly to how Sylas started a revolution with mages in Demacia.
Definitely. Another comment point out that also the crystal could be influencing Sera in order to make her very visible and loud in both Piltover and Zaun so there's more possibility for any brackern to recognize a call for help in Sera's singing without she being conscious of it. Like being an amplifier.
How can you ethically use the souls of other lmao
@@nudgeone7927 Using seraphine logic "it diden't cry. If did it, probably i missheared it"
Meanwhile in our universe:
Shark Girl goes, "a.", instant hit with everybody and becomes famous.
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That's cause shes our shark overlord and she will take over TH-cam
@@oniohno Fair enough XD
True.
To be fair she was hyped up by a multi milion dollar company who's "idols" got increasingly popular during the entirety of 2020
Saraphine should be an air head who doesn't understand hardship, that will make her seem condescending, but really it's just her naivety and innocence, though her conclusions for why hardship exists come across as someone who never worked a day in her life - and that would be right.
Her appearance: She was a blonde but privileged girl before she was blessed, (blessed by who you wonder?) she listened to no one, cared not for anyone, only herself in maintaining her comfort in life (pampered by her dotting parents who constantly called her their "angle".
Until the day finally came, where she would taste the hardship of empathy, during the war (the war between Piltover and Zaun), though her parents did well to keep her sheltered from such things, eventually though, the war came to her door step, she heard people screaming in the streets before, but seeing it was something else entirely.
Her parents could not protect her anymore from the cruelty of the world, and given her rebellious and spoiled nature, instead of hiding from it, she ventured out to see if she could help.
When she saw the destruction of war, and the blood being spilled on the streets, young and old laying dead in the streets, her heart sank even though she didn't understand, understand why all the pain and suffering.
She only knew that she wanted it to stop.
So while she was traveling through the bloody streets, taking in the ruins of a battle (while not trying to get herself dirty), she found a little boy laying in the street who was still alive, but bleeding badly.
Saraphine ran to the boy, not knowing what she would do.
She found herself driven by some unknown force which she had never experienced before; it was empathy.
Her heart though sanking, was soring deeply with pain, she held the little boy's head on her lap, and for once did not mind the blood even as it was staining her cloths, the little boy unaware of his surroundings asked "Mommy?", this question struck Saraphine's heart cords, because she knew that no matter how she would answer, it would not be satisfying to one who was dying.
All Saraphine could do was cry.
And when she did cry, her heart began to sing, a song of mourning and anguish, and without fully understanding, she found herself singing to this tone in her heart.
It was soothing to the little boy, for it was the song of caring, and the little boy thought he was hearing an angel.
And in that moment as Saraphine continued singing, with her tears dropping on the boy, they began to heal the boy, for Saraphine was going through a transformation, with her hair turned long and pink, and her dress stained with blood now glittered with blue and white, for her heart was pure and clean, her voice even became more powerful.
And onlookers who had escaped from the previous night's massacre (people who were in hiding during the slaughter) came out when they heard the song. Saraphine's voice was gentle enough to not harm the boy, but was actually strong enough to heal him, and yet her voice was powerful enough to penetrate through the walls of the surrounding houses. Her voice was an elegant mix of gentleness and strength, so that all who heard her voice, would not be deafened by it.
So when those who were hidden came to see who was singing, no one recognized Saraphine, but her song kept their attention, even the little boy who was now healed, remained with his head on her lap, just enjoying her song. One little girl grasping her mom's skirt asked "Mommy, is that an angel?", this was Saraphine nearing the end of her song, so when Saraphine finally came to realizing her surroundings, was able to hear the mother's reply "That is a saraphine, dear, they are one of the most powerful angels."
And though Saraphine knew she was not really an angel, she decided to let that title be her name, especially if it brought people comfort. So when she sat the boy up and he found his mom who had previously lost her son, Saraphine stood and came to realize her transformation, both accepting that and the people's attention on her.
She realized her voice was powerful, and figured she must have been born with magic that only awakened just now.
And that is where I would end Saraphine's story bio for now.
*I realize this isn't something Riot will use for Saraphine's story, but since they seem to be lacking a story for her, I figured that I would just provide one.*
I realize my story for her will not be completely accurate for Runeterra, but I hope whoever reads this will find it enjoyable enough. Have a good day.
yo if anyone reads this. remember the girl in ww story? it could be her especially with his line: "i knew her, but not from where" so you could try and put that together
Is Jhin still in Piltover? Would be cool if both meet...
He is Ionia,Jhin is Asian
@@queenmorganite2825 jhin’s theater/ home is in piltover which is how he met camille so he probably met sera at one point
I remain unimpressed after these "edits" and her story.Despite all of riots attempts to bring out some kind of emotion with this character I still feel nothing whenever I think about her.
Exactly.
The two cities:litterally having a riot
Seraphine: hey I wrote you a fight song! Hope you like it :)
4:35 I'm sure we would all like here to be part of Jhins performance
I think you could see it as her wanting to hear more of the voice in the crystal and the voice only sings when the cities get somewhat close. So her wanting to hear the voice completely is the reason she wants to unite the citys
Doesn't matter that she doesn't know anymore, I'm still playing skarner and spam ganking seraphine
You're doing the Lord's work
What I imagine: Skarner stings Seraphine and paralyzes her before dragging her into the bushes.
What will happen next?
I've notifications turned on but i didnt receive a notification for this video, i was just lucky enough to go to TH-cam landing page and find it this early.
l feel you
School just ended and thos pops up. PERFECT timing
The biggest question sticking out to me is, "How did she get this power/What exactly is it?" She can apparently "hear" people's souls and the emotions in them in the form of music, and she can somehow sing back to those souls in a way that resonates with them, which is why she became so popular so quickly -- her song hits each person in exactly the right way to resonate with them. But how? What's the basis of that power? If it's just some type of basic magic then why hasn't anyone else been able to do this before, especially if she can do it so easily and on instinct? It seems to me like her ability is pretty unique, and so therefore it must come from some unique source.
Following that, the next question is, "How does this fit into the rest of the lore?" I think it would be kind of silly for this seemingly unique and rather interesting ability to be relegated to a side-character, someone who is just kinda... there. Who doesn't do anything in the lore, like a more photogenic Gragas.
I think they could probably set up the answer for the latter by providing a compelling enough answer to the former, and I have an idea I would like to propose for this.
Her ability seems to be soul-based, which is kind of a big deal. Not just anyone can use soul magic, and even the "mere mortals" who can don't seem to find it too easy. So what if her ability's origin comes from some sort of foreign source, something that was not originally part of her? Something like a soul shard or fragment from some kind of "Higher Being", like a Celestial or something. This "Higher Being" was associated with souls and/or emotions, but some time in the past its soul was split into pieces (maybe it was "killed" or maybe it did it to itself intentionally). Some of these shards found their way to Runeterra, and one found its way to Seraphine. This particular fragment of this soul, which was full of optimism and joy and kindness, sort of melded with hers in a symbiotic relationship, allowing it to survive as part of her soul and granting her its power. This is why she has such a bright personality, always looking for the good in everyone and everything and trying to help reconcile Zaun and Piltover, as well as why she is able to "hear" other's souls and sing back to them. It's that bright, joyful soul fragment that has literally become a part of who she is.
This leaves a lot of potential for growing her story, as well as introducing other characters (who could eventually become champions) or even updating original ones. I mentioned how multiple pieces of this "Higher Being's" soul fell to Runeterra, and perhaps some of these other soul fragments found their way into other people (or perhaps even animals?), imbuing their most prominent characteristics upon their "hosts," such as curiosity, competitiveness, compassion/empathy, vengeance, and the like.
Where this could go from here is that these soul shards bonded to different people are calling out to each other, but they're so distant from each other their calls are faint. Seraphine can't hear these calls now because it is drowned out by all the "noise" of Zaun and Piltover, but if she ever goes out to a secluded enough place or somehow the clamor settles down enough she'll be able to hear that calling, and she'll want to chase it and eventually will meet up with some of them. I think it would be sort of interesting to see the clashes of personality between the more positive, light-hearted hosts like Seraphine and the more negative, grim/dark ones, and how they try to work around those differences. And since Seraphine is all about trying to help mend old wounds in people's hearts, she could play a key role in their getting along.
Idk. Maybe I'm overthinking all this and Riot does just want another side-character. But I think that would be a shame.
Here are a couple ideas off the top of my head for characters based on the soul shards’ features:
- Curiosity: The host has this sort of childish wonder for the world and constantly seeks to understand how it works, yet is incredibly knowledgeable and far from naive due to his love of learning. He loves sharing their own expertise and seeking new knowledge. For him, learning and teaching is the greatest calling in life, though actually applying his knowledge to practical applications (such as inventing) is not something he is as passionate about -- that is seen more as a means to the end of acquiring more knowledge. While he does have morals (he doesn’t go around kidnapping people to vivisect), he also considers nothing sacred or taboo (he is completely willing to steal and dissect already deceased cadavers).
- Empathy: The host acts as a sort of local nexus for the emotions of everyone around him, absorbing the emotions people feel and projecting them in an aura around himself. However, he has developed an iron grip over his own emotions in order to avoid getting swept away into other’s emotions. Generally, this mental discipline also allows him to control his emotional aura, suppressing it in part or in totality at will. He lives in Ionia, so the widespread suffering caused by the war has caused him to become a veritable fountain of life for Azakana, who can feed off of many people’s worth of negative emotion all at once just by being close to him. The fact that several follow him around yet do not harm him (not that they could if they tried, due to his iron will letting him resist their manipulations) has earned him the moniker "demon lord" among the Ionians who know about Azakana. Some of the more older and more powerful Azakana have even become protective of their meal ticket, even tentatively obeying him at times for fear of him suppressing his aura and starving them away.
- Vengeance/Penance: The host can "feel" the physical and emotional pain of others around him as if it were his own, and he can feel who is responsible for that pain. This results in him being extremely short-tempered. This “phantom pain” builds up over time and takes a long time to fade unless he offloads it onto those responsible for causing that pain. By forcing those responsible to feel the pain they caused, in what he calls "Penance," he can cleanse himself of that pent-up agony. He does this by inflicting “phantom pain” directly into the targets’ minds/souls. This pain can cause the target to feel multiple types of pain at once without actually being harmed, such as broken bones or grief. For people with weak minds and/or too much to repent for, this may be overwhelming and fatal, but since it affects their soul directly even death cannot help them escape their Penance.
There’s something cool I think everyone misses when you play seraphine in her story she talks about hearing everyone song and longs for them to come together to make a beautiful song well a really cool Easter egg of this is seraphine passive if you get near other allied champions you’ll hear music as more allied champions gather around you more instruments get added to the background music when all five champs are in there they make up one of seraphine released songs that’s a node to her lore each character has a song and when we all come together we make beautiful music !
Angel Hernandez seraphine bad
Imagine Political/Cultural enemies just getting along after a noname Popstar sings her "inspired" song.
It reminds me of that Pepsi add where world peace is achieved because Pepsi.
she just needs a motivation and explenation for her clothes. come on riot
But she have it (in the kda universe)!
Only reason for explain the mary sue birth, 0 coerence with estetic and plothole with itty bit of story around it
"The story still doesn't tell us her journey to the top and how she became popular"
Riot: China. *raughs in chinese*
Theres one way to fix her lore, make her an indie idol that went from region to region singing channeling everyones voice, then when she came to zaun and piltover she heard the voices of the crystals which made her curious, she began collecting them and in doing so she began to hear a song that as she continued to gather more crystals it became stronger and clearer, so she stayed in P&Z to figure the secret pf the voices, as she became more famous she reached the truth about the crystals and the souls trapped inside so she decided to gather all of them so she could find a way to take them home, there, she's not someone who became an idol overnight but she was already one but not that popular, she became aware of the souls later and decided to help them be together, this way she doesn't seem bratty
bro if she were the targonian aspect of music that would've been sick
Riot: so the fanbase hates seraphines lore? we need to fix it
Also riot: LeTs ChAnGe LeSs ThEn 1 PaRaGrApH
but seriously this is still lazy riot could atleast to pretend to care about her runeterra lore
but necrit literally said these small changes actually meant a lot and why they didnt change more for now
I mean, they also did it for Karma. One paragraph changing the end of her bio.
But the thing is... Karma 's problem on her LORE and that was easy to fix.
Seraphine on the other hand... the problem is her whole character design, not just her LORE.
A fix like this won't change her core problems
@@lagc5103 The only real change that was made is her not knowing that brakern crystal stuff. Thats makes her slightlest better
@@bestnameever1850 that can open up a plot point where seraphine eventually discovers the truth about the crystals, making her realize the cruelty that revolves around her equipment and hextech and making her go insane or something
idk if it is something riot would even consider given how seraphine is as a character (generically light-hearted and etc.) but hey, it would be cool
@@lagc5103 And maybe she can have a story where she uses her pop status to try and make this information know. but some other piltover family trys to stop her
i never clicked so fast in ma damn life
Ah yes. Seraphine turning her emotions, feelings, doubts, fears, into single notes, that then turn to droplets, floods, rivers in fact, that take on laminar flow and wash over the crowd...
Good job riot, you managed to stuff more bs into her story than you have into your Season 11 items.
I think if she and skarner met, both their stories would develop tremendously. It would definitely develop seraphine as a character, giving her more struggle and emotional development other than her struggle with her powers. I would love for skarner and Seraphine to turn into allies rather than how people are pitting them as enemies.
Well if she's an Empath like she's written, the reason why she would try to bring the places together would probably to end the negative emotions between them. Emapthic characters are sensitive to emotional turmoil and it can cause them pain if left unchecked. Maybe if they wrote that it was painful for her to the point of physically affecting her, would give her a reason to stop the conflict. As for the crystals, I think how they have her right now is the best spot for her to find out about the Skarner race. As it said her the story, she knew the voice had to be heard. This could play towards her finding out what the crystals really are and her trying to stop their use by trying to prove to people they are alive (via their soulsong) or something.
@Damani Campbell ok, go off queen