How GREAT WHITE Got SO POPULAR!
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- The story of how Jack Russell and his band Great White got so popular.
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Great White soon cut an EP with Don Dokken and Producer Michael Wagener for $5,000.The problem was that the rock stations in LA KLOS and KMET didn’t play independent records as part of their regular rotation. So Niven decided to talk with the folks at both stations who agreed to give the EP some spins and it soon took off selling an impressive 20,000 copies.
Kendall recalled I’d never heard of a band with a song in rotation. Not Ratt, not Dokken, none of them. It was something that was unheard of. But Alan was able to do it. And that really got a buzz happening. Everybody was going, “What the heck’s going on here? Great White’s on the radio!” The band son got 8 record labels offering them deals with the group signing with EMI. . Great white released their debut lp which was self titled in 1984.
. But it proved to be a commercial disappointment, with Russell telling the LA Times “It wasn’t a great album. We were trying to write heavy metal anthems back then. We were much more metal than we were much more metal than we are now. We really lacked direction.” Not helping was that after they returned from touring with Judas Priest, there was a shakeup at the their label, leaving them without any allies and they were soon dropped. Russell also claimed that the band hadn’t yet finalized their classic lineup and that worked against the band with him adding the group’s drummer gary holland wasn’t very good adding ‘everybody had progressed musically, but the drummer was the weak link in the chain.” without a label
In search of a label deal, Their manager Niven went back to the 7 other labels who had previously offered teh band a deal. Niven remarked to loudersound “I was utterly naïve. I thought I’d have seven companies interested in taking a look at the situation. What I actually had were seven pissed-off bridesmaids who said that they weren’t good enough for us first time around.”
The group brought in drummer audie desbrow, which according to russell made the band sound tighter. They also added keyboardist and one of the band’s assistant engineers on their debut LP Michael Lardie giving the group a more pop element making them more commercially viable. Lardie, had started playing LA’s music clubs at the age of 15. Without a label deal, Great White soon focused on playing clubs for two years refining their sound, becoming more blues influenced at the insistence of their manager who thought blues based rock was more timeless and niven even got involved in helping co-write some songs. Kendall admitted that Russell wasn’t yet refined in that dept The group independently released second LP Shot in the Dark in 1986. Their cover of the Angels song Face the Day quickly became one of the top played tracks on Los Angeles radio, getting the attention of Capitol records, coincidentally enough was the parents company of EMI in the States. Capitol signed the group and reissued Shot in the Dark and by the end of the decade it sold about 100, 000 copies.
The band underwent another lineup change ahead of releasing their 1987 release once bitten firing bassist Lorne Black and enlisting tony montana. Russell told the times ‘some people don’t know when to stop partying and start playing.”
Lardie remarked to an interviewer around the time of once bitten coming out “This band is a live band and that’s why we work so hard in the studio to make records to go out and play. I Never consider studio part of the job. I engineered the record, so i have an interest in that aspect as well. The album was produced by the band Lardie joined the group in 1985”
Once bitten was considered to be a more mainstream record, - using more synethsizers and acoustic guitar,s but Russell admitted the album was completely rewritten months before it’s release admitting “they were trying to write hit songs. They were good tunes mind you but they weren’t great white. . They sounded like a heavy metal journ
What other bands should I do decade retrospectives on?
They weren't that big but I would love a video on "Every Mother's Nightmare" I loved the song "Love Can Make You Blind". I'd like to hear about their history and their journey
Husker Du. How do you know all this stuff? You don't even have a Patreon.
Enuff Z'nuff
Loudness Galneryus and X Japan
I’d like to hear some stories about Blue Öyster Cult and Love and Rockets/Bauhaus
House of Broken Love is one of the greatest blues rock songs ever. That’s arena rock at its finest.
@Malama_Ki IYHO, that is.
I agree. That song is absolutely genius. Great White came so far that they actually played that song on the Grammys®.
Yup.....that intro is amazing......OMG.
Great White and Cinderella were two of my favorites bands from the 80's. House of Broken Love is an amazing song.
I love Great White. R.I.P Jack Russell
The song "Rock Me" is genius and it continues to get around somehow.
Bloody hell I thought this was gonna be about the wigs!
Click bait lie.
Their version of 'Babe I'm Gonna Leave You' is truly amazing.
Darn right! I remember watching that over and over again on MTV unplugged. It was mind playing how dead on Mark was. That era does not get a lot of love due to bands that had style over substance, but a lot of those bands could BRING IT. They do not get their due.
RIP Jack. Those first 2 Great White metal tinged albums kick a$$! The later blues influenced records are all solid. "Save Your Love" is still one of the best Rock ballads of the 80s. PLAY LOUD
Absolutely! Abso freaking loutely , My man ! ☕️😎💨
I'm gna go ahead and agree it is the best Rock Ballad of the 80s hands down! Rock me is also a crazy good one
Amazing track that too few are even aware. It is a ballad masterpiece!
House of Broken Love is a masterpiece and master class in guitar playing . Some of the best soloing and phrasing EVER put to record , such a killer band they have an extremely string discography actually all the way through the 90s.
@@mattmacarthur520 one of the best guitar riffs of the 80s and all time!! Love that song !!
The original bassist in Dante Fox was Don Costa! Don passed away unfortunately right before Jack. RIP guys!!
Ooh... had not heard that... another good bassist that got effed over by "SHARON!".... RIP Don Costa
Peace out Don! Rock on in heaven brother.😢😊
Lorne Black as well..
No the original bass player of Dante Fox😊 was Warren ' Dupee' Jones from Garden Grove
Jack had the voice most of us could only gream of. Sleep well bro.
I've always said, Gream Big!!
Kendall is one of the most underrated guitar players among fans that I think there has ever been. He is revered among players, but that guy is one of the best ever.
Saw him up close in a small venue in 95🔥🔥🔥
Uh a ha
Absolutely. Definitely one of the best guitarists ever.
I think he's not mentioned enough by guitarists either. Yes EVH changed the game, but there were guys like Kendall whose licks and tricks were being copped as well.
I picked up Jack hitchhiking after he did his 11 months..he stayed at my house fir 2 months..he taught me piano and how to sing..we partied like it was 1999...we stayed friends for a few years but Great White blew up.. He was one of the kindest human I ever met...Legendary Voice..
cool story bro, yeah right, liar
@@veronatragedy7016 geek
Then I hope you never visit Los Angeles because many of us have unbelievable story's that are in fact true but that happens when you get involved with certain lifestyles.
@@veronatragedy7016
My band opened for them once at a festival. They were all very nice & invited us into their tent.
Jack stayed at my house as well! He stole my guitar , banged my girlfriend and then split! Oh well, I forgive him! They rocked!
I am 58. Jack was not much older than me.
RIP Jack❤
THat puts things into perspective, doesn't it
Rock on, Rick, stay healthy, man.
@@ThrillingTwo
You are correct.
Thanks for your comment and you too stay healthy.
The best to you and yours.
I'm just a year younger than you.
jacks voice was smooth as silk
Great White was almost the perfect 80's rock band, Jack Russell's vocals were very good up until the day he retired from music. Not many vocalists at his age could still hit those notes!
He couldn’t hit them at his age. By time he retired he sounded bad…
True about the older dudes. On a side note, I recently saw Dangerous Toys, and Jason McMaster still sounds pitch perfect, and still hits ALL the high notes. I was stunned.
Cheers!
They were the best Zeppelin cover band, ever.
And that’s not a slight. These guys were good
Hands down the best! Makes me want to dispute how the Great White name came about.
@@PhillipAvatarblack
Shark Week...? Totally. And I’m sticking to it.
Lol
@@PhillipAvatarblack I honestly don’t know. I always just assumed it was like Cream, 10cc, Lovin Spoonful, Steely Dan kind of thing and was referring to something sexual, most probably a penis.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I grew up with Great White‘s music. I guess my favorit Album is Psycho City - never understood why it is so underrated… in this video it is not even mentioned. Everything about this Record is magic. Hooked is huge as well… Love the band & love Jack‘s Voice. Happy that I saw them live! RIP Brother 🖤🤘🏻🦈🔥
I actually think that CD was the peak of the band in many ways.
I loved Hooked for how Bluesy it was . Psycho City was darker but a perfect contrast
My favorite as well, if it had been released a few years earlier it would have been a major hit, but it was too far into the grunge era to do well. Only the die hard fans bought it but we were rewarded with a great album, I wore that CD out the year it was released and still listen to it often now.
every song on psycho kicks ass, you got that right! I saw them on Sail Away tour, they opened with "Dr Me" from psyco psycho,
"Niven went on to see them several more times..." "It wasn't until the third time..." lol
I only knew them for their cover of "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" which was originally from Ian Hunter (of Mott the Hopple) and Mick Ronson. Great song... both versions. R.I.P. Jack
Yeah and that song sucks! They are so much better than that song!
Jack Russell's new book was just released titled " The Tales of Mista Bone," written by K L. Doty, great job, buddy! 🎉
That song was garbage and so was the sellout tripe album (Twice Shy) it came from...> Sad to want your book to be titled by that lame poser song...>
Great singer! Hiim singing led Zeppelin was amazing!
I LOVE Great White. One of my all time favorites. And it's not because of their biggest hits, their deep cuts and lesser known hits are awesome and I can put on almost any Great White album (pre 2000s) and it's rock solid from start to finish.
I always wondered why these guys weren't as big as the other 80s hair metal gods of the same time.
I knew Jack back before he got to singing. I was in a garage band and we had gotten rid it our singer. We got Jack in the band just before i left, wanting to do other things. I always joke about how I had given him a stack of albums to listen to, including my Ian Hunter albums, and never got then back. I have mixed feelings about him, for some things he did but I won't tell them. RIP Jack.
Oh but I will...> Russell did some very dubious things as a younger man that were criminal. All centering around drugs, guns, and robberies. He was fortunate to not serve out his deserved sentence in jail because of a justice system mistake. Otherwise, russell would have been in jail for years and would have been too old by the time he got out to ever live his dreams and sing in a rock band like GW...>
Met the original band in mid nineties and they were all super cool. Signed all my albums! 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽 May he Rest In Peace! 🙏
This dude jack was a solid guy. He was just a regular guy that drove a ford pickup truck I met him. At a show in Maryland hammer jaxx. Was the place. Baltimore Md. back in the day. Great times. Jack was very kind Rip.
Thank you for the post! I loved all the bands from that era! Story highlights of my life! 🤘🏻😊
When I was a kid, a friend had a Jack Russell terrier named Jack Russell. Great White always made me think of that dog.
I saw them twice with Tesla & Badlands
Jack was a talented vocalist, big win there .
RIP
I Remember an awesome night in the 90s seeing Great White at The Strand in Redondo Beach with my soon-to-be-wife. By then they were a once-famous-local-band, but they sounded great. - I also randomly ran into Jack in RB a few years ago.
Hmmm... is this the band that had a faulty pyrotechnic show that burnt down a venue killing some folks?
Yes , and so what....
Great White was a very underrated band… They made great Blues based Rock that was much better than most of what their peers put out. Unfortunately, at the time that meant never reaching the popularity of some of the other bands of the era while still being lumped into the Hair Metal/Glam scene… They’re one of the few bands that deserved to survive the coming of Grunge. Unfortunately they didn’t.
Ummm what ? They literally released 5 albums in the 90s my guy haha! They stayed true to their blues rock sound and pushed on , go check out those albums you’re missing out
@@mattmacarthur520 What does he know? He literally thinks the music was called 'Hair Metal' LOL.
RIP ANGEL 😇
Thank you very much Philadelphia USA 🇺🇸 ❤❤❤Nostrovia
The first 2 Great White LPs were a huge part of my adolescence. Such great 80s hard rock/ AOR releases!) The blues/boogie direction they took wasn't for me, but I still liked some of their later songs like "Lady Red Light" and "Never Change Heart". Lorne Black was a huge inspiration to me as a beginning bass player. Rest In Peace, Jack, Lorne and Don Costa( former bassist not mentioned in this video).
those first two were the WORST
@@MySundin13 Many of us like those releases. Guess we were wrong. Thanks for clearing that up.
@@MySundin13 You're entitled to your opinion, even if it's a tad bit clueless...> The first album "black album" is 10000 times better than anything GW would ever officially release afterwards...>
I listened to a song that him and Tracii Guns did together. He was still a great singer. He had a great blues voice. Rest in peace. Got to see Great White and Tesla on tour.
“A zoologist that studies fish.” An icthyologist.
gazuntite. Do you need a hankie? 🤣
Enjoyed seeing the "Bad Boys Coming to LaCrosse" headline! They rocked the LaCrosse Center a few times back in the day!!
Never forget The Station nightclub. ❤
I will never forget it I was going to go that night and glad I didn't I remember receiving the phone call the next day after it happened and my brother told me what had happened there I couldn't even believe it especially cuz I seen the band there a year before there were no pyrotechnics so still puzzles me why they would do something like that in such a small place seen many bands at 2 darken flotsam and jetsam Blue oyster cult Dee Snider
@@silverspike3864 Same, so you saw the show where Kendall was doing his Train Station band. Matt Johnson was playing guitar from Russell’s Shelter Me album. I remember Audie chasing a guy down the street after the show because he threw a rock through the bus window. I tried to meet them outside after the show, but Jack just said thank you and got on the bus. I saw him and Ty Langley once more eight months later in Attleboro Massachusetts in some small underground room. The show was off with just one guitar player the mix was bad. I decided to skip the next station show and going into work at 3:30am. I woke to phone calls.
That was a horrible thing!
@@silverspike3864 I saw Great white open for Rainbow at the Strand in the 90s. Loudest show I ever attended.
Saying Great white played some "hot spots" is probably not the best choice of words
Wow, did NOT know W.A.S.P's drummer Tony Richards was in a same band with Jack. Learn something new every day.
Yup. They swapped drummers around the same time actually.
this band had a ton of different members
wow I had no idea of the backstory…… But it does not change my mind. I still loved great white with Jack Russell and luckily like 1 million other fans I was lucky enough to meet him so I have photos of myself with him.😁..... RIP Jack ❤🙏🏻🎤🎤🎤🎤
The song heartbreaker such a great rock tune. R I P jack
RIP Jack. 🎸🎸🎸🎸
I saw them in the mid 90's. They played really well, but they were cheezy AF
Wasn’t a fan but I saw them with Badlands and Tesla. I was there for Badlands but Great White by far was the best band of the night. An incredible frontman and his voice live was like the record.
I love 80s music. But I had no idea any of this happensome crazy stuff probably because I was on my drugs to be almost on my seventh year of Sobriety
if I get 7 minutes I'm happy. Good for you .. keep it up..!!!
Man this guy is dialed! Great information and well done program. ❤
What is also wierd is that WASP also did a cover of I Dont Need No Doctor.
By Steve Marriott, a true original and pioneer. They respect him.
The WASP cover is much better than the GW version imo
Rip Jack. I don’t wanna face the day
Probably the MOST underrated band of that entire era . Jack Russel had a soulful and bluesy voice that was unmatched and Mark Kendall was one of the most melodic guitarists to ever do it! Go listen to House of Broken Love and thank me later ! Some of the best guitar playing you will ever hear coupled with jacks amazing vocals . They probably have the strongest discography as well, their 90s output is absolutely killer and SOOO many people are missing out on some of the best blues rock ever made
Wish it was longer this time. There was alot going on with Jack and Mark Kendall with there being 2 Great Whites but still another great video.
A great band. I don’t think people realize how many good songs they recorded.
I’d heard rumors about Mark’s hair and always wondered you never saw him without a hat. Cueball Kendal sure could play though.
I always where a hat and people always think I'm bald and there shocked when I take it off that I got nice thick long hair at 43 yrs old lol
His hair held the band back from success then came the hat with the built in ape drape bonde mullet ala don dokken and gw is fit to open for true hair bands.
@@PhillipAvatarblack ape drape…. Fn hilarious! 😂🤣 I’m dying ova hea
I recently saw Great White in concert and although I was not a huge fan ( I had heard a few songs) I have to say really impressed with Mark Kendall’s guitar playing- his feel, tone and style is quite excellent. I was initially disappointed that the original vocalist wasn’t in the band but they eventually won me over, Brett Carlisle did a great job and they played all of their hits including Once Bitten Twice Shy which brought the house down… it cool that many of the so called ‘hair bands’ don’t have to put wigs on these days and can now embrace the bald look (lots of bald heads in the audience😉) RIP Jack
Brett’s voice is perfect for the current line up!!
What a G most people I know smoke dust and end up in Deuel CYA only ever go on to the CDC. Best turn around in history for southern California wild child. What a talent too, I've always been a fan. I met Jack and the band at a midnight screening of The song remains the sama at Marina Pacifica in OC one night. Im pretty sure they were celebrating getting signed or something must have been 1982. By 1983 I went to CYA but thats another story RIP Jack
I saw Great White live in 1987.... they were amazing.
Anyone else think the card was Nigel Tufnel and thn clicked it fully expecting Spinal Tap?
It’s Jack Russell and title clearly says great white
Nope clearly looked like Jack Russell.
LMAO YES
They both had something in common. They both turned their amps up to 11
@@rnrtruestories The card does say Great White, but the resemblance is so similar, it could be taken as a joke. A great video as always.
Great White... this takes me back to 8th Grade. Great tunes. RIP Jack
Great White was a GREAT Band and Mark Kendall was a MONSTER Guitar Player.
Uh. Ok.
It was so frustrating when once bitten twice shy would come on the headbangers ball…
such a horrible song 😂
THANK YOU!!! I never liked that song either. Great White was too good to cover that tune.
Opposite for me, I don't know the original song but when I heard that on headbangers ball the first time I was like, wow this rocks.
A friend came over the next day and asked about it, he did not seem that big on the song.
I was like no way this song is gonna be huge, it wasn't long till he had that song blaring in his car and loved the album probably more than I did.
Today I don't care for it as much, I'm more into the slower bluesier stuff of theirs but at the time I thought it ruled.
@@jonldavisthat track was the soundtrack to my graduation beach trip in ‘89 could not get enough
1 album is called Once Bitten. 2nd is called Twice Shy . They have a song called Once Bitten Twice Shy 🤘
I played drums with a band called Rock Asylum that played a gig with Dante Fox in Aug '83 at a club called the Woodstock in Orange County CA.
Because they were good? And what the hell is the problem with dropping out of high school?
I never said there was anything bad just giving some background.
My favourite band
And come 2003, things were never the same...
Saw Great White open for Whitesnake in 1988, great all around show.
Thanks for the video! Great White was awesome back in the day. I saw them for the first time opening up for JP in 84. I was hooked!!!!
Hooked was a perfect album. Start to finish it's great.
7:21 so...don't skip over this........HOW did they get radio play? what mechanism was it? good friends? a desire for creative expression? just helping a brother out?
or...............PAYOLA
One of my favorite channels. A band history on Triumph would be sick
awesome band. One of my favs growing up for sure..!!!
The "other" Canadian rock trio. Awesome idea
Well if Triumph is ever profiled on this channel how about another Canadian band called SAGA,
They put out some great music during the 80’s, Just a suggestion…
Great White had really good songs and were Great Live!!! RIP Jack
When i interviewed great white in the 80s i had to ask for murry Stravinsky at the hotel
Great white had some really good music. RIP Jack !!
Great White was a great band. I saw them in concert back in the 80’s. Tesla opened up for them and both bands were awesome!!! I was devastated when I heard that Jack passed away. I have their cassette’s but I am having trouble finding their cds. I’m still searching though. Rest In Peace Jack…..❤
yeah, how did they get so popular. i could never figure that one out
It's sad they're mostly known for the Station fire which was such a terrible thing. But their first 3 albums are absolute bangers. They're often lumped with the hair bands but they were more blues to me
High School dropout?? Nice,I’d hope someone could say something a little nicer about me after I pass. Especially if some goof is still making money off me after I’m dead.
Loved Great White-Jack!!!!!!!! Sail Away is one of those albums that will stand the test of time,in my eyes!!!!
So those 80s big hair bands was useing wigs and extensions !
How wide spred was this?
What other crazy concepts the the average person would not know about big hair bands ?❤
Shit what horrible news I had no idea because I have been working a new job training deal I absolutely love Great White and seen the rest of the new Great White in Las Vegas which was a good show plus saw Jack in his new solo career which also was very good too in Las Vegas with my sincerity R.I.P. Jack because you gave the world your talent to enjoy the music so much! ❤🙏💔
They were a Zeppelin tribute group that made it. Remember "Kingdom Come" Get it On?? But, thanks to these guys, I got my girl. I just learned how to play--"Save Your Love" on guitar and melted her heart with my rendition I played late one night in her place
It's a good video, but I think not mentioning the Rhode Island fire makes the video incomplete.
It'd take you another 20-minute episode to cover what happened with Great White AFTER 2000.
Saw these guys with Quiet Riot and Mama's Boys and all three bands played Mama We're All Crazy Know! WTF??
No wigs except for Kendall so he wore a Spanish hat to hold it.
But they all had hair extensions even many respected Thrash guys like Hetfield,Mustaine,Marty and Lars so many more.
Megadeth was at the Rust in Peace era(watch video of holy war).
Hetfield by Master,its so obvious.
But they all did mostly.
Wow ... some of the greatest hard rock guitarists are not blessed with a nice head of long hair.
the 1984 debut release, was my main cassette tape that summer! Bought it after seeing Great White open for Judas Priest on the Defender of Faith Tour in Austin , TX.
Great band Kendall is a Jem! Love the guy.
Your videos are well researched and very informative! You’re a beast 🔥
I saw Great White about 10 years ago, the show was 🔥🔥!
Never a fan but saw them open for Judas Priest. Shame how things rolled for them. You should have talked more about the fire which was really tragic.
I saw them open for Whitesnake with my first real girlfriend in the winter of ‘88 on the big Whitesnake-album tour.
Great band. ☮️
Great episode, bhai. 👌🫡 💯 🤘
Great White is such a criminally underrated band. They get lumped into the “hair metal” sub-genre but they were actually very bluesy and had many traditional rock n roll songs. Jack Russell was an amazing vocalist, and kills it when he covers Led Zeppelin. RIP Jack, you’ll be missed!
For second it looked like the thumbnail said: “They spent a fortune on WINGS.”
Bring on that Bw3 sauce.
As far as I know Izzy Stradlin of Guns N' Roses suggested to cover the Ian Hunter Tune. That's why he's listed in that album's thank you section... Maybe Alan Niven told Great White about Izzy's idea.
Great video brother. Thank you!
Blotzer wrote in his book about how Jack would be drunk while on boat and start shooting at sharks. I lost all respect for him and lost all interest in the band. I suppose drugs and booze had a lot to do with it.
Grew up across the street from a house they rented in H.B. Their first radio play was thru a KLOS song that had to have 'KLOS' in it. The other bands made kind of goofy parody songs about the station but Great White sent in one of their originals & just dubbed KLOS after the chorus (can't remember the song). We were pretty much punk & thought hair bands were over so didn't pay them much attention. Pretty sure I bought weed from Russell's friend a crazy 'Nam vet who's arms were all scarred from agent orange that was killing him. Feds in suits busted them often but that vet was like Jack Reacher or something, told me he knew too much (Cambodia, I'm guessing) so was always out soon. I will say they practiced every day for hours in the garage that was well insulated to spare the neighbors. You could tell they were getting tight
That's real
Met an incarnation of these guys at amidnight screening of The song remains the same in the OC at the marina pacifica mall around the same time cool older dudes I thought
RIP Jack Russell
As a Rhode Islander, i’ve got no love for this band.