Brilliant video as usual. I’m a non JW with a super PIMI sister who has been shunning me for 24 years. She shuns her son who was specifically D’fd for sporting a beard and gaining tattoos. I’m bristling at the idea that she is now fine with this after the trauma he has suffered over the last decade. I’m fuming. They really are terrible humans.
I agree, I’m thinking he may have left on his own, cause he knew he wasn’t able to fight against these changes and they would eventually be implemented. Can you imagne him sitting Wednesday morning with his GB Buddies and half of them with beard?! Sisters in bethel wearing pants and on and on. He maybe silently in his home in NC not attending meetings or field service. The reason why is because no one sees him , there must be pimos in the area, but it’s like he disappeared in thin air.
My mother just told me as a way of proving me wrong about my claims of information about Tony. She asked a sister about him and his removal, and the response was, he is still of the anointed living in North Carolina quietly doing works in another congregation. I said I already knew where he was and that he was living in a home purchased by the organization. She immediately asked how did you know that??? And oh no the society doesn't do that buying homes for the anointed and would not entertain anything that resembled proof. She will hear nothing see nothing.
@@michellefinklestein3219 So Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's??????????
The men’s suits just brought back a memory. What men trying to look like executives on a window washers income all packed into a big old four door with a broken AC on a 95 degree day smelled like. To say that some of us didn’t sent our suits out for dry cleaning enough would be an understatement.
I remember in the congregation I was part of in the late 1980's to the mid 1990's the elders had a rule that even going out on days out or shopping etc the sisters should wear clothes as if they are at a meeting as its a witness to others who we are. Also we were to be prepared to preach so needed to dress as we would be on the field service..... I remember a few times my mum and I and a few others would get taken to one said and reminded about our dress as we would always wear pants when we were not on the service or at meetings. One day a new CO turns up and he gave a talk saying that it was okay for the sisters to wear pants when not doing field service or going to the meetings..... I am not sure whether you have heard but in some congregations now the elders don't want the new updates and have refused to announce them. I wonder if we are going to see a divide coming....
I live in a part of the USA that gets VERY hot in the summer. 115 degrees F hot. WT always told JWs traveling to the summer convention that we had to wear our convention clothes (suit/tie for men; dresses for women) ON THE DRIVE TO THE CONVENTION and in the hotels and restaurants. Mind you, this is not during the convention, but the personal day driving to the convention before it starts. For me, that was a three hour drive. Other JWs in the District were traveling 8 or more hours to the convention site. Somehow, wearing a suit and tie in 115 degree weather was supposed to bring honor to Jehovah.
I remember similar talks from COs. I'm hearing the rumors! It looks like some are reacting poorly....this is a BIG change. Beards and pants....some are going to rebel.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 When I used to attend the KH they always used to talk about the Scribe's and Pharacees all the unwritten law's. Now let me think who does that remind you of.
From the moment I hear “Alright, Welcome” I know I’m safe hands! As has been emphasised by other listeners, it must be a case of them responding, too late, to stem the flow of people heading out of those KH doors for good, many having heard a podcast like yours! Keep up the good work!
The indoctrinated elders repeat and repeat like idiots the same thing that the superintendents teach them. They do NOT realize that they are hyper indoctrinated, .... great contribution guys.... we love your work of activism, this Corporation/sect/Religion... must be exposed, so that it does not do more harm to others. Thanks guys.
Shouldnt it be King Michael? Also, seeing all the social media pics of groups of JW women of all ages with grins showing off their pants in kingdom halls is actually quite sad. Pants. Frigging pants. And they are overjoyed. Because they can wear pants.
My son sent me this message yesterday 😂 “Had a dream that I was rolling a spliff in dudley convention because the jw rules have changed The rules had become relaxed but everyone was judging me. I blame you for this” 😂 looking forward to you take on this this Stacy I know it’s gonna be great!!
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Oh and BTW; I would bet there are elders in some congregations who will reject the dress code changes and reject the greeting of those who were disfellowshipped. Maybe there will be new cults formed as they split off from the watchtower. It's happened in the past.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 I've even heard that it's happening in more progressive areas of the country. Of course, based on what I've been hearing, the servant bodies in those congregations tend to understand these changes as examples of the Society being "too little, too late". Then again, considering what I've read and heard, it raises the question: Why did those more progressive appointed servants defer to the Society on these matters so long?
@Thomas.Schwed3662 Listen, I knew there was going to be blow back on this, & it would cause a divide w/ some. In these “last days”, this was the order of events in JW theology for decades: 1. An increase in the preaching work, bearing the “good news” before the great tribulation 2. The Gov’t turns its attention to all of false religion 3. The heavy hitting msg of judgement is to be preach w/ boldness (by that time, it’s too late) 4. This msg captures the interest of ALL Gov’t around the world, drawing their attention to JWs 5. As they begin to wage war on JWs, it will be like touching Jehovah’s eye, & he will come to their aid as Armageddon begins That’s the order; yet, it’s been the exact opposite! Lol. -They’ve become lax w/ their preaching, told not to even defend or argue “The Truth.” -The field service time they once turned in was stated it was for Jehovah, but now it wasn’t biblical & all they need to do is check a box. Lol -Being clean shaven, wearing modest dress & grooming was seen as being separate, while dignifying “The God of Order”; now it’s damn near like the Churches they ridiculed for so long, “Come as you are.” Lol U don’t think old timers, who saw 1975 come & go, who expected the end to be here in 2000, & who’s hopes got raised by Lett telling them this is final part of the final part of the final part of last days r a bit miffed? Of course they r, & they r confused. Many already had issues w/ the music videos, pop-like kingdom melodies, but now all of this? It’s striking some nerves, & I think the GB can care less about the older ones, b/c they are of zero value as they die off; they are thinking of the future.
A can of worms. That's what Mark Sanderson has opened with his words. These new, kinder, gentler edicts will hasten the demise of the cult that we all know and loathe.
Ironically, I’ve heard the LDS Church made similar “adjustments” a couple of yrs ago, including how they handle their version of the judicial committee (which is eerily similar to to JW’s version).
Imagine how disappointed these JWs will be, who act like they're children who've been given a new toy, when the GB gets "new light" (probably sooner than JWs think) that says they prayed to Jehovah again and Jehovah said pants and beards are unscriptural after all and everyone need to switch back to the old way.
Stacy, thank you for yet another great podcast! I finally understand their reasoning behind Proverbs 4:18. A JW elder friend of mine & I were talking about the recent changes(beards, no ties, slacks for women, & greeting a disfellowshipped person). He told me, "things are revealed when we're ready." He also said that a brother many years ago couldn't understand why they had to do certain things; My friend said "this is what's required NOW. When we're ready for it, it will change." This is indoctrination at it's worst. My friend doesn't even see how this is a justification for their beliefs without any proof of why the change was necessary, or that this viewpoint can allow for the change in more of their doctrinal views. Views such as birthdays, disfellowshipping, divorce, the torture stake, etc., & even Proverbs 4:18! The irony is astounding!
Thank you again! Yes...Jehovah’s chariot must be in Team Red Bull...can't keep up with the speed anymore...🥴 But so glad the outside world now, more and more, is being aware of what goes on inside a KH. Here in the Netherlands a lot of tv shows and a documentary exposed the CSA and shunning policies. That's why I have now joined Team Sparlock😊
Speaking of 'giving you wings', I would actually say that the Society has replaced petrol with jet fuel in the last fill-up of Jehovah's celestial chariot. If there were such a thing as Jehovah (or, Yahweh), I would suggest that he take his business to a different filling station.
Now sisters please remember not to wear slax when visiting bethel or having a part on the platform, likewise with the brothers to wear jackets and ties on these occasions. Please remind me of the scripture for this instruction, Mark Sanderson forgot to mention it. Thanks Stacey once again for your work and humour.
I can imagine all the meeting parts on what is an appropriate beard for men and slacks for women. If their beard looks like Billy Gibbons or Lee Sklar it’s probably a no go.
I’m one of those rare ex-JW’s who had a dd214 from four years in the Navy prior to becoming a JW in 1974. I mustered on the flight deck in my dress whites to put it in perspective. The JW dress and grooming rules compared to being in the military. Short hair and clean shaven, check. Uniform or in the case of the JW’s dressing having to dress like I was the VP of a Fortune 500 company, check. I’m still looking for that scripture where Jesus sent people home to change into first century business attire for salvation. The beard thing is a convoluted mess as well. Apparently Jesus looked in the mirror, realized he had a beard and thought “well sh*t, I guess I probably should let those guys in NY give permission to grow one too”. The thing that touched a nerve with me was shunning my son after he graduated and making him leave home. I was an MS, handled accounts and gave good talks so let’s just say there was a lot of arm twisting going on. He was not baptized and was into metal aka a headbanger. Fortunately we both left the JW’s and put all that behind us. Since then I have gone to see Queensrhyche and Yngvie with him and a ton of Sprint Car races. Things that we never could do as JW’s.
So sorry Stan. We all shunned people we loved. It's CRUEL...and it causes tremendous damage to everyone involved. But I LOVE that you're hitting the rock concerts and races!!!! Live life!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I don’t dwell on it anymore but an a TH-cam junkie and watch some of the activist videos. Back when we left there wasn’t anything like this channel. We just stopped going to meetings and tried to live our best life.
@@survivingparadisepodcast A lot of JW's were never comfortable with a military veteran. The only other one I knew was a WWII veteran elder who would lose it and start cussing. After he and a few other of that generation passed I was the sole military veteran in the congregation. Some folks didn't like that much.
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Yikes Right !! Hated the suit n tie thing as a kid and always thought it weird when mom had to wear a dress during winter. 😢 Always knew something was wrong..But its the only truth. Right ? Danger Will Robinson
As I recall, the policy of 1974-81 was strictly with regard to disassociated individuals. Disfellowshipped individuals continued to be treated as they had been since the disfellowshipping arrangement was adopted 1952. I remember articles in "The Watchtower" during the late '70's in which the Society specifically counseled against greeting disfellowshipped individuals. Congregational reports were cited stating how some active publishers were given to greeting and even embracing disfellowshipped individuals in the lobby of the Kingdom Hall. The Society responded to these reports by stating that such a course was still wrong from the Society's vantage point. What was announced by Sanderson and that monstrosity on his face is the precise opposite of the policy of 1974-81 and that against which the Society warned in those articles in the late '70's.
Excellent Stacy. Hearing that JWs are rejoicing over these new “privileges” just screams how controlled and manipulated they all are. It should make a lot of people think, at least I hope it does. It’s all so ridiculous and comical, I’m embarrassed for them.
I went to the memorial yesterday. Cuz I'm trying to maintain a relationship with my family. Every man was wearing a tie. And no ladies were wearing pants. I wasn't surprised. I always think it's funny that they think that God is so loving, that he's cool with kids dying of hunger, disease, war..... But he cares whether we have beards or not. Lmao
Those guys are likely to inform those disfelloshipped that they should by no means continue the conversation when spoken to. As you see in the video that the 2 that spoke remained but the outcast was the one to break off.
Yes I’m am aware but how is a woman wear womens trousers dressing like a man. That was the scripture that they used to use to stop sisters wearing trousers a very weak point!!!
Ironically, I remember there was, not a court, but a basket (such as one would find in a sporting-goods store) outside directly behind the service building of my Assembly Hall in Ohio. We would occasionally play pick-up games at the end of Friday work days and when finished with loading the food-service trucks to send to the district assembly site. In retrospect, I don't think it belonged to the Assembly Hall servant or his assistant, but, rather, to the brother who contributed the land for the Assembly Hall as he actually lived right next door.
When I was on an aircraft carrier in the early 70’s we had to do an UNREP aka underway replenishment every few weeks to take on food and supplies. When I bring this up to ark believers they swear there was enough food storage on their ark. I wonder which supply ship pulled alongside them with supplies???
Oh if only this new light would have come out in the early 1970s. Maybe one day they will say it's OK for men to go to the baptismal pool wearing a Speedo. Isn't it a shame that polyester Leisure Suits are no longer in style? Just imagine how festive that would look in a kingdom hall. How about bell bottom trousers and Beetle Boots? Just think about an elder trucking his way to the platform attired as such. Don't forget tie dying. Who knows how far this can go? Maybe someday piercing, tattoos and multicolored hair will be allowed.
'Erratic' is a kind word for it. 😄 The absurdity of it all... Perfectly dissected and ridiculed (as it should be) by the podcaster who should have 50,000 subscribers (at least). The voice of reason, in the midst of all this insanity.
Watchtower March 15, 2024 _Questions From Readers_ * *In view of what is written at Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11, is it proper for a woman to wear slacks that are a cotton/polyester blend or other blended fabrics?* The Governing Body has decided that, even though the Mosaic Law is not binding on Christians and does not mention polyester or pants, we will make a rule about it anyway. Listen to and obey the following counsel, whether it makes logical sense from a human standpoint or not. Deuteronomy 22:12 mentions tassels. 22 is 10 + 12 or 11 x 2. Tassels on four corners of trousers would be 88. These are God's numbers, not ours. In view of the foregoing, a Christian woman serving Jehovah should ask herself, _is American Cheese really cheese? Did Jesus eat American Cheese, or any cheese at all?_ One would not want to brazenly assume that because "Jesus" and "Cheeses" sound eerily similar, that they are the same thing or have anything to do with pants at all. In view of this powerful scriptural evidence regarding cheese, which comes directly from Jehovah, skipping Jesus entirely _(see Watchtower, April 15, 2013, illustration),_ and goes right to the Governing Body (but not Tony Morris), we can prove conclusively that Watchtower was chosen by Jesus in 1919 as the only true religion having any valid doctrines about pants, facial hair, neck ties, or saying "hello" to another human being, as Leviticus 19:19 clearly shows. If Watchtower was not chosen in 1919, why would Jehovah have had Leviticus 19:19 inspired at all? It is this 1919 appointment by Jesus himself (who previously returned in 1874 without anyone noticing) that empowers Watchtower, and no "false", "so-called Christians", to shed new light about pants, slacks, trousers and mixed fabrics for Christian women. So if a woman were to put on a worn-out pair of her husband’s trousers that had American Cheese stains on them to do a job around the house or on the farm,* she would not be going against the evident purpose of the law, namely, to prevent confusion of sexual identity or about any variety of cheese being mixed with either cotton or polyester. However, if a woman was wearing her husband's trousers while topless, that would be a matter for two Elders to investigate. A third Elder would be called in if the first two Elders liked what they saw. * Because so many Jehovah's Witness women are farmers. See _Farmers Almanac,_ 1907 "Miracle Wheat" edition. A Christian woman appreciates that whether it would be proper for her to wear slacks or pants of blended fabrics, with or without cheese stains, depends upon factors other than her personal likes. Personal likes are always subject to the judgmental opinions of your brothers and sisters, "the most loving people on earth". How do others in the congregation feel about blended fabrics? Would a cotton/poly blend stumble others? Do the pants have tassels? Are they Bedazzled? Is she eating Nachos? The Bible’s counsel is that women “adorn themselves in well-arranged pants, with modesty and soundness of mind, . . . in the way that befits women professing to reverence the Governing Body, namely, through wearing good pants.” We hope that this "new light" from "God's sole channel of communication on earth", the "voice of God", the Governing Body mentioned in the parable pretending to be a prophecy about a hypothetical faithful slave of corporate officers, has deepened your appreciation for cheese, blended fabrics, pants, sisters that are married to farmers, and the number 22. "Evidently", this is fabric served at the proper time. *[Footnotes]* For additional details on the matter of proper pants and all things cheese, please see _Revelation- Its Grand Climax At Hand_
@@thomash.schwed3662 If only I could match good 'ol Fred's level of 'out there' wackiness... I'd love to hear this in Fred's voice. It'd be a perfect match.
Each day, 25,000 people, including more than 10,000 children, die from hunger. The top priority on Jesus' to-do list? Approve pants for women and facial hair for men. With a friend like Jesus, who needs enemas?
I guess im bitter bc i dont like these changes one bit. When I was in my early 20s I was out on my own, and was being Harrassed for occasionally wearing pants to the midweek meeting because I was coming straight from work.. My work schedule/location made it difficult to be on time and dressed in a skirt. If I went home to change, I'd be late. I was threatened with a marking talk and loss of privileges so I just stopped going midweek. 🙅♀️ guess i should be happy bc this is what led me to being pomo now lol It stings to see my father with a beard when he kicked out my oldest brother in the middle of the night because He didn't want to shave after the article came out a few years ago saying wearing a beard was left up to the local b.o.e... i just want the gb to stand on business! 😩 🤣
You're not alone at all!! MANY are bitter.... younger generations of JWs will never understand the harassment and marking many went through for doing something Jesus always approved of???!! It's insane. It's okay to be upset!
Wow at min. 53...1985, the year I was blackmailed into baptism and the year of my disssacotion from jw.cult... Yep, it was something. We had to wear nylons and just "beige"...from age 14 and up. Why that age???😂🤣🤣🤣😪 in Europe, it was okay 👍 to wear bikinis 👙, but not in Canada???? Same year???? That's what we call "unity" isn't it?
Brilliant video as usual. I’m a non JW with a super PIMI sister who has been shunning me for 24 years. She shuns her son who was specifically D’fd for sporting a beard and gaining tattoos. I’m bristling at the idea that she is now fine with this after the trauma he has suffered over the last decade. I’m fuming. They really are terrible humans.
Thank you for being here! I'm so sorry for all your family has been through!
Tony Morris must be shaking his head in disbelief, no wonder he moved on- he would never have agreed to this
Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's????????
I agree, I’m thinking he may have left on his own, cause he knew he wasn’t able to fight against these changes and they would eventually be implemented. Can you imagne him sitting Wednesday morning with his GB Buddies and half of them with beard?! Sisters in bethel wearing pants and on and on. He maybe silently in his home in NC not attending meetings or field service. The reason why is because no one sees him , there must be pimos in the area, but it’s like he disappeared in thin air.
@@beautyRest1 So Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's??????????
My mother just told me as a way of proving me wrong about my claims of information about Tony. She asked a sister about him and his removal, and the response was, he is still of the anointed living in North Carolina quietly doing works in another congregation. I said I already knew where he was and that he was living in a home purchased by the organization. She immediately asked how did you know that??? And oh no the society doesn't do that buying homes for the anointed and would not entertain anything that resembled proof. She will hear nothing see nothing.
@@michellefinklestein3219 So Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's??????????
Scores leaving a week now turning into hundreds leaving a week. Keep it up Deathtower.
Agree!
Assumably.
The men’s suits just brought back a memory. What men trying to look like executives on a window washers income all packed into a big old four door with a broken AC on a 95 degree day smelled like. To say that some of us didn’t sent our suits out for dry cleaning enough would be an understatement.
I HATED it....all of it!!
Another spot on episode Stacey. We really appreciate you my friend.
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I appreciate YOU!
I remember in the congregation I was part of in the late 1980's to the mid 1990's the elders had a rule that even going out on days out or shopping etc the sisters should wear clothes as if they are at a meeting as its a witness to others who we are. Also we were to be prepared to preach so needed to dress as we would be on the field service.....
I remember a few times my mum and I and a few others would get taken to one said and reminded about our dress as we would always wear pants when we were not on the service or at meetings.
One day a new CO turns up and he gave a talk saying that it was okay for the sisters to wear pants when not doing field service or going to the meetings.....
I am not sure whether you have heard but in some congregations now the elders don't want the new updates and have refused to announce them. I wonder if we are going to see a divide coming....
I live in a part of the USA that gets VERY hot in the summer. 115 degrees F hot.
WT always told JWs traveling to the summer convention that we had to wear our convention clothes (suit/tie for men; dresses for women) ON THE DRIVE TO THE CONVENTION and in the hotels and restaurants. Mind you, this is not during the convention, but the personal day driving to the convention before it starts. For me, that was a three hour drive. Other JWs in the District were traveling 8 or more hours to the convention site.
Somehow, wearing a suit and tie in 115 degree weather was supposed to bring honor to Jehovah.
All facts I remember the same thing.
Probably not unless some individuals have the correct heart .
Most elders would put their position above all else sadly the ego can ruin a good man
I remember similar talks from COs. I'm hearing the rumors! It looks like some are reacting poorly....this is a BIG change. Beards and pants....some are going to rebel.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 When I used to attend the KH they always used to talk about the Scribe's and Pharacees all the unwritten law's.
Now let me think who does that remind you of.
From the moment I hear “Alright, Welcome” I know I’m safe hands!
As has been emphasised by other listeners, it must be a case of them responding, too late, to stem the flow of people heading out of those KH doors for good, many having heard a podcast like yours!
Keep up the good work!
Thank you Daz!!! It's all meant for future young people....but it's too late for many
Thank you, Stacey! It is always great to hear these things that are so true put into words in such an enjoyable way!!
Thank you, I truly appreciate that!!
The indoctrinated elders repeat and repeat like idiots the same thing that the superintendents teach them. They do NOT realize that they are hyper indoctrinated, .... great contribution guys.... we love your work of activism, this Corporation/sect/Religion... must be exposed, so that it does not do more harm to others. Thanks guys.
Shouldnt it be King Michael?
Also, seeing all the social media pics of groups of JW women of all ages with grins showing off their pants in kingdom halls is actually quite sad. Pants. Frigging pants. And they are overjoyed. Because they can wear pants.
Isn't that amazing???? Like nothing weird about it at all....that men are giving them permission on how to dress!! :O
I know its gonna be another great episode!!
Thank you!!
If the GB will allow sweatpants and flip-flops in the kingdom hall, I may consider going back.😁
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Give them time, they are getting pretty desperate!
@@paulathomas2132 they need that money to come back!
In the live feed of Rick Fearon’s a woman IS wearing sweatpants inside the KH!!! I hope she’s a PIMI 🤞
^live feed at the Memorial yesterday
My son sent me this message yesterday 😂
“Had a dream that I was rolling a spliff in dudley convention because the jw rules have changed The rules had become relaxed but everyone was judging me. I blame you for this” 😂 looking forward to you take on this this Stacy I know it’s gonna be great!!
Don't forget to show that DR. Note to medicate yourself. Oh wait, don't forget the elders blessing. 🌿💨✌️
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LOL!! Thank you for being here!!
Always have some fun a nice way .. Thank You Stacey !
Thanks Digi!
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Oh and BTW; I would bet there are elders in some congregations who will reject the dress code changes and reject the greeting of those who were disfellowshipped. Maybe there will be new cults formed as they split off from the watchtower. It's happened in the past.
Per Ex JW Reddit, it’s already happened in some Bible Belt states.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 I've even heard that it's happening in more progressive areas of the country. Of course, based on what I've been hearing, the servant bodies in those congregations tend to understand these changes as examples of the Society being "too little, too late". Then again, considering what I've read and heard, it raises the question: Why did those more progressive appointed servants defer to the Society on these matters so long?
@Thomas.Schwed3662
Listen, I knew there was going to be blow back on this, & it would cause a divide w/ some.
In these “last days”, this was the order of events in JW theology for decades:
1. An increase in the preaching work, bearing the “good news” before the great tribulation
2. The Gov’t turns its attention to all of false religion
3. The heavy hitting msg of judgement is to be preach w/ boldness (by that time, it’s too late)
4. This msg captures the interest of ALL Gov’t around the world, drawing their attention to JWs
5. As they begin to wage war on JWs, it will be like touching Jehovah’s eye, & he will come to their aid as Armageddon begins
That’s the order; yet, it’s been the exact opposite! Lol.
-They’ve become lax w/ their preaching, told not to even defend or argue “The Truth.”
-The field service time they once turned in was stated it was for Jehovah, but now it wasn’t biblical & all they need to do is check a box. Lol
-Being clean shaven, wearing modest dress & grooming was seen as being separate, while dignifying “The God of Order”; now it’s damn near like the Churches they ridiculed for so long, “Come as you are.” Lol
U don’t think old timers, who saw 1975 come & go, who expected the end to be here in 2000, & who’s hopes got raised by Lett telling them this is final part of the final part of the final part of last days r a bit miffed? Of course they r, & they r confused.
Many already had issues w/ the music videos, pop-like kingdom melodies, but now all of this? It’s striking some nerves, & I think the GB can care less about the older ones, b/c they are of zero value as they die off; they are thinking of the future.
I could see that happening! There will be some that will disobey and believe they're doing it for "jehovah"
Wow, I need to go read these@@bygeorgehemayberite8385
You had some really good points about the family.
Thank you! They completely disrespect the family arrangement
A can of worms. That's what Mark Sanderson has opened with his words. These new, kinder, gentler edicts will hasten the demise of the cult that we all know and loathe.
I agree......the old timers are starting to 'think'.....not good long term
Ironically, I’ve heard the LDS Church made similar “adjustments” a couple of yrs ago, including how they handle their version of the judicial committee (which is eerily similar to to JW’s version).
I need to dig into that, I heard that too
…..lolol. Loved this episode! Righteous indignation mixed with hilarious sarcasm.
Thank you, that is a good description of my insanity :)
Imagine how disappointed these JWs will be, who act like they're children who've been given a new toy, when the GB gets "new light" (probably sooner than JWs think) that says they prayed to Jehovah again and Jehovah said pants and beards are unscriptural after all and everyone need to switch back to the old way.
It's truly stunning!!!
I'm buying my PIMI sister a woman's suit 🤣
Why
@@jordanissport the same reason I bought my older brother a Beard oil kit
I asked my sister if she was going to wear pants to the meeting. She said she wasn’t ready. 🤣🤣🤣
For her birthday? ;) LOL
oh wow!@@leogolive
Stacy! Thanks for the video, looking forward to watching it. Hope you're doing well!!
Am I missing something? Is this a video somewhere? I just hear this as a podcast but always see it referred to as a video 😂
@@cindyricketts382 you got me...I just listen to most stuff while I do chores, etc.
Thank you Meliora!!
Stacy, thank you for yet another great podcast!
I finally understand their reasoning behind Proverbs 4:18. A JW elder friend of mine & I were talking about the recent changes(beards, no ties, slacks for women, & greeting a disfellowshipped person). He told me, "things are revealed when we're ready." He also said that a brother many years ago couldn't understand why they had to do certain things; My friend said "this is what's required NOW. When we're ready for it, it will change."
This is indoctrination at it's worst. My friend doesn't even see how this is a justification for their beliefs without any proof of why the change was necessary, or that this viewpoint can allow for the change in more of their doctrinal views. Views such as birthdays, disfellowshipping, divorce, the torture stake, etc., & even Proverbs 4:18! The irony is astounding!
Thank you again!
Yes...Jehovah’s chariot must be in Team Red Bull...can't keep up with the speed anymore...🥴
But so glad the outside world now, more and more, is being aware of what goes on inside a KH.
Here in the Netherlands a lot of tv shows and a documentary exposed the CSA and shunning policies.
That's why I have now joined Team Sparlock😊
Speaking of 'giving you wings', I would actually say that the Society has replaced petrol with jet fuel in the last fill-up of Jehovah's celestial chariot. If there were such a thing as Jehovah (or, Yahweh), I would suggest that he take his business to a different filling station.
I love reading that! I'm glad they're being exposed!! Team Red Bull.....LOL!!!
Now sisters please remember not to wear slax when visiting bethel or having a part on the platform, likewise with the brothers to wear jackets and ties on these occasions. Please remind me of the scripture for this instruction, Mark Sanderson forgot to mention it.
Thanks Stacey once again for your work and humour.
Oddly, NO ONE can produce that scripture.....odd, huh?
I can imagine all the meeting parts on what is an appropriate beard for men and slacks for women. If their beard looks like Billy Gibbons or Lee Sklar it’s probably a no go.
Thanks Stacey...you said exactly what I thought but way, way more politely 😳😲❣️
Let’s go! This is about to be good!
Thanks for listening!
I’m one of those rare ex-JW’s who had a dd214 from four years in the Navy prior to becoming a JW in 1974. I mustered on the flight deck in my dress whites to put it in perspective. The JW dress and grooming rules compared to being in the military. Short hair and clean shaven, check. Uniform or in the case of the JW’s dressing having to dress like I was the VP of a Fortune 500 company, check. I’m still looking for that scripture where Jesus sent people home to change into first century business attire for salvation.
The beard thing is a convoluted mess as well. Apparently Jesus looked in the mirror, realized he had a beard and thought “well sh*t, I guess I probably should let those guys in NY give permission to grow one too”.
The thing that touched a nerve with me was shunning my son after he graduated and making him leave home. I was an MS, handled accounts and gave good talks so let’s just say there was a lot of arm twisting going on. He was not baptized and was into metal aka a headbanger. Fortunately we both left the JW’s and put all that behind us. Since then I have gone to see Queensrhyche and Yngvie with him and a ton of Sprint Car races. Things that we never could do as JW’s.
So sorry Stan. We all shunned people we loved. It's CRUEL...and it causes tremendous damage to everyone involved. But I LOVE that you're hitting the rock concerts and races!!!! Live life!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I don’t dwell on it anymore but an a TH-cam junkie and watch some of the activist videos. Back when we left there wasn’t anything like this channel. We just stopped going to meetings and tried to live our best life.
@@survivingparadisepodcast A lot of JW's were never comfortable with a military veteran. The only other one I knew was a WWII veteran elder who would lose it and start cussing. After he and a few other of that generation passed I was the sole military veteran in the congregation. Some folks didn't like that much.
👏👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟🌟❗💪Thank you for sharing
Your excellent Wit & Grand Humor Always such a Treasure 👏🌟🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Ready for the ramblings of an old LADY?😅😅
1) "Lately it occurs to me, what a long strange trip it's been"Grateful Dead😅😅
2) "How ya gonna win when u ain't right within?" Ms. Lauren Hill😊
So thankful for my beautiful mind & heart that guided me from Evil (3rd generation born in) & away from "baptism". 💪
Everything you will Need(not want) is right inside of You. Just be Brave enough to go inside, find it, hang on, & don't let go!☯️🌟🌹
I love this Cindy!!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast thank You gracious Sir🌟🌹🌹🤗☯️
Yahushua Jesus Christ is exposing the hypocrisy of the governing gods that have attempted to stand in his place 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great point about the governing body not even mentioned in the Corinthians passage !
;) thank you!!
Was waiting for this.
Thanks for being here!
I've been waiting for this lol! Love you man!
Always funny AF!
LOL, thanks James....you get me!
Great one, Stacey...always appreciate the laugh and your great presentations!
Thank you Deb, I'm slightly nuts ;)
I hear Birthdays are next
I agree!!!
To the stellar meeting in JW-Landia, the Memorial, quite a few JW Women wore pants, and a bunch of Males without ties or suit... It looked weird...😅
❤❤❤ Have a great week Stacey and friends ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you, you too!! :)
I am very grateful for those talks where everyone can see 👀 openly their lies 😂😂😂...what a gift 🎁
Quick quick ! We need bible scholars to advise us ! Wheel out Mr Lett and Mr Splane. What colour should the pants be ?
LOL, I thought the same thing!!!!
Best show c ever Sacry!
Yikes Right !! Hated the suit n tie thing as a kid and always thought it weird when mom had to wear a dress during winter. 😢
Always knew something was wrong..But its the only truth. Right ? Danger Will Robinson
The best part of all of this is Danger Will Robinson....Lost in Space!! :)
Changes that make it easier to stay but that also make it easier to question why🤔
This has to raise a few questions, right?
First!!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
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Question: didn’t JWs try this re greeting DF’d people in the late 1970s-1980s but it got out of hand? Anybody remember?
As I recall, the policy of 1974-81 was strictly with regard to disassociated individuals. Disfellowshipped individuals continued to be treated as they had been since the disfellowshipping arrangement was adopted 1952. I remember articles in "The Watchtower" during the late '70's in which the Society specifically counseled against greeting disfellowshipped individuals. Congregational reports were cited stating how some active publishers were given to greeting and even embracing disfellowshipped individuals in the lobby of the Kingdom Hall. The Society responded to these reports by stating that such a course was still wrong from the Society's vantage point. What was announced by Sanderson and that monstrosity on his face is the precise opposite of the policy of 1974-81 and that against which the Society warned in those articles in the late '70's.
@@thomash.schwed3662 Thanks for the comprehensive reply-you have a good memory!
Great summary from Thomas here....they also went full nuclear when Ray Franz was ousted. They tightened everything.
Great summary!!@@thomash.schwed3662
Awwww Yeeaaahhh My guy Stacy let's do this 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you!!
Thank you for another great presentation 😂
Thank you for being here!!
Excellent Stacy. Hearing that JWs are rejoicing over these new “privileges” just screams how controlled and manipulated they all are. It should make a lot of people think, at least I hope it does. It’s all so ridiculous and comical, I’m embarrassed for them.
They're definitely making people ask questions! :)
*"figure flaws:"* = Watchtower eschatology
Just INCREDIBLE language!
I went to the memorial yesterday. Cuz I'm trying to maintain a relationship with my family. Every man was wearing a tie. And no ladies were wearing pants. I wasn't surprised. I always think it's funny that they think that God is so loving, that he's cool with kids dying of hunger, disease, war..... But he cares whether we have beards or not. Lmao
Right? He is more concerned with clothes than actual lives......absurd
@@survivingparadisepodcast thanks for another great episode. I'm always so excited when I see them come up. Thank you.
Those guys are likely to inform those disfelloshipped that they should by no means continue the conversation when spoken to. As you see in the video that the 2 that spoke remained but the outcast was the one to break off.
I love your sarcasm when you spoke on God planning to resurrect those in Noah’s day😂.
LOL, thank you, it's a pet 'absurdity' for me......so silly
“Jesus, being the FASHIONISTA that he is…” 😂😂😂
@mrm8850 At that time long robes (dresses) were worn
Dressed be gone LOL
Good morning Stacey.
Hi Michelle!!
Deuteronomy 22 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
Nothing about wearing trousers no scriptural basis for that stupid rule.
@@Womanmad1 it is about woman who are wanting to look like Men and men who want to be like woman dressing like woman.
Yes I’m am aware but how is a woman wear womens trousers dressing like a man. That was the scripture that they used to use to stop sisters wearing trousers a very weak point!!!
@@Womanmad1 Dylan Mulvaney
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_"Who told you you were naked? Well, Lord, I looked down and saw my junk."_ 1 Schmeckel 6:6
LOL LOL
Ty for sharing. I always wondered how you look like😂 love your voice❤
Thanks Susan....not much to look at ;)
46min... like Noah who didn't wear pants either 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🫠
And if WT starts to install basketball 🏀 courts outside of the KHs I may return to Jehovah
Ironically, I remember there was, not a court, but a basket (such as one would find in a sporting-goods store) outside directly behind the service building of my Assembly Hall in Ohio. We would occasionally play pick-up games at the end of Friday work days and when finished with loading the food-service trucks to send to the district assembly site. In retrospect, I don't think it belonged to the Assembly Hall servant or his assistant, but, rather, to the brother who contributed the land for the Assembly Hall as he actually lived right next door.
But they will outlaw 'dunking' because it's too violent ;)
Oh yes, and the BB games at Bethel were legendary!!! Lot's of fights!! @@thomash.schwed3662
That's about to get good good. 👌🏿😂
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I didn’t always shave my legs. Ya don’t like ‘em don’t look at ‘em. 😅😅😅
LOL!!! I love it!
In paradise restored on earth it would not be out of order if men returned to wearing beards, in perfect fashion, like Adam in Eden. WT 5/1/68
OUTSTANDING reference, thank you!!!
Built the ark without the benefit of a Home Depot😅😅😅 where do you come up with this stuff
LOL, I'm crazy
When I was on an aircraft carrier in the early 70’s we had to do an UNREP aka underway replenishment every few weeks to take on food and supplies. When I bring this up to ark believers they swear there was enough food storage on their ark. I wonder which supply ship pulled alongside them with supplies???
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I won’t be surprised if we could walk naked during summer. No secrets to hide. Honesty is a. Good policy. LOL….
I must say, most of us don't want that LOL
As always an interesting Issue as Sex n a very human way .. Thank You dear Stacey !
Thank you!
I went to Escondido assembly hall wearing nothing but fig leaf. Didn't go over. =(
Did they condemn your lack of modesty or where hair was growing on your body? ;)
Oh if only this new light would have come out in the early 1970s. Maybe one day they will say it's OK for men to go to the baptismal pool wearing a Speedo. Isn't it a shame that polyester Leisure Suits are no longer in style? Just imagine how festive that would look in a kingdom hall. How about bell bottom trousers and Beetle Boots? Just think about an elder trucking his way to the platform attired as such. Don't forget tie dying. Who knows how far this can go? Maybe someday piercing, tattoos and multicolored hair will be allowed.
LOL, the 70's were awesome! Oh yes, I believe all of those things will soon be a 'conscience matter'...it's coming, they need to keep young people
'Erratic' is a kind word for it. 😄
The absurdity of it all... Perfectly dissected and ridiculed (as it should be) by the podcaster who should have 50,000 subscribers (at least). The voice of reason, in the midst of all this insanity.
Thank you so much XJW....appreciate your thoughts!
Watchtower March 15, 2024 _Questions From Readers_
* *In view of what is written at Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11, is it proper for a woman to wear slacks that are a cotton/polyester blend or other blended fabrics?*
The Governing Body has decided that, even though the Mosaic Law is not binding on Christians and does not mention polyester or pants, we will make a rule about it anyway. Listen to and obey the following counsel, whether it makes logical sense from a human standpoint or not.
Deuteronomy 22:12 mentions tassels. 22 is 10 + 12 or 11 x 2. Tassels on four corners of trousers would be 88. These are God's numbers, not ours. In view of the foregoing, a Christian woman serving Jehovah should ask herself, _is American Cheese really cheese? Did Jesus eat American Cheese, or any cheese at all?_ One would not want to brazenly assume that because "Jesus" and "Cheeses" sound eerily similar, that they are the same thing or have anything to do with pants at all.
In view of this powerful scriptural evidence regarding cheese, which comes directly from Jehovah, skipping Jesus entirely _(see Watchtower, April 15, 2013, illustration),_ and goes right to the Governing Body (but not Tony Morris), we can prove conclusively that Watchtower was chosen by Jesus in 1919 as the only true religion having any valid doctrines about pants, facial hair, neck ties, or saying "hello" to another human being, as Leviticus 19:19 clearly shows. If Watchtower was not chosen in 1919, why would Jehovah have had Leviticus 19:19 inspired at all? It is this 1919 appointment by Jesus himself (who previously returned in 1874 without anyone noticing) that empowers Watchtower, and no "false", "so-called Christians", to shed new light about pants, slacks, trousers and mixed fabrics for Christian women.
So if a woman were to put on a worn-out pair of her husband’s trousers that had American Cheese stains on them to do a job around the house or on the farm,* she would not be going against the evident purpose of the law, namely, to prevent confusion of sexual identity or about any variety of cheese being mixed with either cotton or polyester. However, if a woman was wearing her husband's trousers while topless, that would be a matter for two Elders to investigate. A third Elder would be called in if the first two Elders liked what they saw.
* Because so many Jehovah's Witness women are farmers. See _Farmers Almanac,_ 1907 "Miracle Wheat" edition.
A Christian woman appreciates that whether it would be proper for her to wear slacks or pants of blended fabrics, with or without cheese stains, depends upon factors other than her personal likes. Personal likes are always subject to the judgmental opinions of your brothers and sisters, "the most loving people on earth". How do others in the congregation feel about blended fabrics? Would a cotton/poly blend stumble others? Do the pants have tassels? Are they Bedazzled? Is she eating Nachos?
The Bible’s counsel is that women “adorn themselves in well-arranged pants, with modesty and soundness of mind, . . . in the way that befits women professing to reverence the Governing Body, namely, through wearing good pants.”
We hope that this "new light" from "God's sole channel of communication on earth", the "voice of God", the Governing Body mentioned in the parable pretending to be a prophecy about a hypothetical faithful slave of corporate officers, has deepened your appreciation for cheese, blended fabrics, pants, sisters that are married to farmers, and the number 22. "Evidently", this is fabric served at the proper time.
*[Footnotes]*
For additional details on the matter of proper pants and all things cheese, please see _Revelation- Its Grand Climax At Hand_
In all honesty, I read that aloud in the voice of Freddy Franz. It's right up there with something he would have said for zaniness.
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If only I could match good 'ol Fred's level of 'out there' wackiness...
I'd love to hear this in Fred's voice. It'd be a perfect match.
I missed this and I LOVE IT!!! Always nail it Adam!!!
LOL!~!@@thomash.schwed3662
Each day, 25,000 people, including more than 10,000 children, die from hunger.
The top priority on Jesus' to-do list? Approve pants for women and facial hair for men.
With a friend like Jesus, who needs enemas?
Actually, after one of the Governing Body's Wednesday-morning "encounters" with Christ, an enema might sound downright pleasant by comparison.
Exactly!!! Absurd....how anyone dismisses this is beyond me at this point
LOL!!!@@thomash.schwed3662
Do or dont is mans false religion/law. In being true by the Holly Spirit there is no religion/law. A good tree bares good fruit. 💚
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You'll recognize them by their fruits
I guess im bitter bc i dont like these changes one bit. When I was in my early 20s I was out on my own, and was being Harrassed for occasionally wearing pants to the midweek meeting because I was coming straight from work.. My work schedule/location made it difficult to be on time and dressed in a skirt. If I went home to change, I'd be late. I was threatened with a marking talk and loss of privileges so I just stopped going midweek. 🙅♀️ guess i should be happy bc this is what led me to being pomo now lol
It stings to see my father with a beard when he kicked out my oldest brother in the middle of the night because He didn't want to shave after the article came out a few years ago saying wearing a beard was left up to the local b.o.e... i just want the gb to stand on business! 😩 🤣
You're not alone at all!! MANY are bitter.... younger generations of JWs will never understand the harassment and marking many went through for doing something Jesus always approved of???!! It's insane. It's okay to be upset!
Watchtower October 12 1989 46:27 ?
1914 Jesus appeared invincibly
2024 Jesus appeared in the form of a PR firm
LOL, I couldn't agree more!
poor ladies better make sure the pants aren't too tight. Wonder what the big man and his son think of a G string on a woman?
I feel it's Blasphemy blaming Jesus for theses decisions.. I suspect it's PR???
Yes, I believe they're actually working with a PR team or plan....
Depart from me i never knew you..
Wow at min. 53...1985, the year I was blackmailed into baptism and the year of my disssacotion from jw.cult... Yep, it was something. We had to wear nylons and just "beige"...from age 14 and up. Why that age???😂🤣🤣🤣😪 in Europe, it was okay 👍 to wear bikinis 👙, but not in Canada???? Same year???? That's what we call "unity" isn't it?
mmmm....wondering if one should put on a wetsuit to wade through all the BS flowing from the mouths of the Governing body.
Rubbish