Makes sense as one of the requirements to be part of this cult is to be extremely stupid and gullible... I was brought up in this toxic cult and even as a very young child I knew it was idiotic
I talked to my dad about it and he struggled to rationalize it effectively to me. Is what it is but I’ve told him I can’t return to the org just off of how they change stuff on a whim and get no pushback
@P8nplays you expect a jw robot to rationalise anything effectively... If they possessed logic and critical thinking they wouldn't be in this silly cult
I don’t know how you do it Lloyd…. But you do…. The insanity of these guys is difficult to watch….You are a treasure to the Ex Jw community sir. Thank you.
My younger brother had severe acne, and we moved to a new congregation in North Carolina and he had a beard to cover it. And they treated him like he used to Disfellowshipped and then that translated to the rest of us being bad associations too. They didn’t even want to share the back room for the book study one night with us there, they said we really don’t have room. But they had enough chairs for all of us.
That’s just so horrible, they should be asked if they ever heard of the new rules and having beards are okay now. Then read them the scripture that puts these gossiping hypocrites in the same category as every other sin. I was so afraid to tell the elders that called me in to the hall to discipline me, because I had no idea what I had said that so terrible that I was publicly reproved , I still to this day know what the hell they were talking about. My husband was there to, but even when a witness drugged me and then told his wife he would meet her at home, I passed out. He had no balls, he never even said anything to the rapist! But my husband was very controlling, he didn’t think that throwing me against a wall is okay, because I WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HIM. I knew he was escalating, so I was just was going to leave the house and let him cool down. My 13 year old daughter saw it all, I had just spent 4 Weeks in the mental health dept of our local hospital, because I was depressed, but mainly because I I was sick and had to go on long term disability. I was in sever pain, so what he did that night was going to cause me to suffer even more. So back to him dragging me back in the house, several times, he had me pinned against the wall and he screamed for her to call 911, he said your mother has gone nuts again, and she screamed back at him, she’s not crazy YOU ARE! He dropped his hands and went and sat n the couch. It was not his first time. The worst time was when I did try to kill myself, I was at my breaking point, and I took an overdose. My husband knew I had, yet he went to bed because he was tired and needed to sleep, well I couldn’t move once I started to throw up. Then I started bleeding severally and I lost my hearing, I was stupid and had taken aspirin and that’s why. Finally about I crawled the 8 or so feet to he bed as he had slept all night. I asked him to take me to a hospital. He yelled at me and then at the hospital he didn’t try to tell the nurse nor press for help. He sat and let me wait 2 hours where I was getting worse, then when a doctor came in the nursat e had judged me and never even took my temperature my blood pressure which haden dropping so low. He yelled at the nurse when he got my results and m family doctor yelled at my husband that if he loved me then he should have showed that but instead he went to bed. The doctor knew he was abusive and he was disgusted with him because he claimed to be a JW, which he knew allot about them. I was in the hospital for two weeks, but my ex had to promise to come in and talk about being a loving husband and father. But he was not going to change, he never listened to any of the advice from the elders. Not even once. I was the one teaching our girls, studying with them every day! Since he wasn’t doing it. But he would count 4 hours, I don’t knmow that, but I was told that only one could count the time, the head of the didn’t ouse! Our youngest baby would not aeven sit on his knee, till after 3 yrs old. I jumped a bit ahead, after my attempt, I was called to the hall as the elders wanted to talk to me about what happened! In the end they said I had attempted murder, even if it was myself, being depressed and abused by witnesses while my mom went in service, I was publically reproved for attempting to murder myself, my husband was not told anything. They never asked me if I was okay, did I need someone to talk to, not once. It just got worse from then on. Eventually he left me because he needed time to figure himself out. So he left me for six months, the day after he went in for private counselling, where he could control the narrative, so he would hear what he wanted to hear. But he could not spend even an hour to help fix our relationship and our family. But I have to say goodnight. I have been sick now for over 28 years, he left me within the first year of being sick. He spent his free time visiting an elder and his wife where he went while I couldn’t even get up out of bed. I didn’t know how bad I was, but it he didn’t believe a word. Because they thought I only had fibromyalgia, and this elder had it too, so of course he told my ex that😮 no it’s not like that. He used to live in Bethal and now he was going to fix our congregation. My husband turned into my ex who had left me, for the second time, and were divorced, finally, but the elder and his me wife had a friend they wanted him to meet, so he was driving to see her on his days off, forgetting he also had a 13 year old daughter, he didn’t even call her for 7 months or more. But then he was told he couldn’t date the very woman they set him up with, no because he told him he was still married biblically to me! Well you know they kept showing up till I angrily opened the door, I had a serious lung infection and feverish but they wanted me at the hall and I told them my doctor said I needed to be in bed. Then he said we meet on another day, and I called them telling them I couldn’t go. He told me if I don’t come they were going to have the meeting anyway. So I asked them to tell me what they decided. But they didn’t. This freeing my ex to marry the woman they set him up with to get him married as soon as possible, because they knew he liked woman and they didn’t want him to come back to m That was never going to happen on my part. He had told me every time I was sick to go see doctor don’t tell him about it.then he’d say I leaving you I can’t this anymore. Or when he felt guilty, he’d tell me that I should find someone who would treat me better. But I was just 16 when I was married off, so I didn’t have an Education. The thing is I didn’t stay that way! And he didn’t like that, he hated me getting my drivers license🎉 even more. He was totally different when he was away! He wanted me to wear the least possible clothes, and on our last trip he wanted to spend all his time at the nude beach, But when I got my voice, and didn’t ask his permission to work full time. Now I could support myself and finally was free. It’s been so long, he has never said he was sorry, not even now when he knows I am dying. I was never faking it, that was him telling it to himself to justify his lies.
I remember a’beard situation’ in my congregation many years ago!!! I’m 78 now been an X for also many years and it is still fresh in my mind. But now they make jokes about beards!!! 😡🤢
I am no friend of WatchTower . I was in it 40 years and it ruined my youth. However this beard business is all very American. I have always lived in England and beards were simply NEVER an issue here.
I was DFd and divorced when my daughter was 6. I had visitation and we never missed a beat. I paid my child support and kept my relationship with my daughter very close. I never tried to confuse her, but I urged her with intent to, at the very least, not get baptized until she was an adult. Somehow, she obliged and didn't do it until she was 18. Within a month of her 18th b'day I received a text from her stating the she was going to give "the truth" an honest effort and couldn't see me anymore. We'd had dinner together only the week before! That was ten years ago. We've never spoke again since the day of that text, to which I replied, "Just always remember, I'm not the one who gave you an ultimatum."
They making jokes about staff that's seriously affecting peoples lives, even the armageddon and the anointed doctrine, they tryna sweep it under the rugg and make a joke outa of it.
The level of self-serving is so transparent. These people serve themselves. “New light”. New shunning rules. The “organization” destroyed my childhood. Lifetime trauma. Have they repented?
They never will. They already addressed this by saying "no apology is needed" for "changes in understanding". I'm sorry, I meant "adjustments". The reason they use that word, is because when you adjust something, it's already real. What they are doing and have been doing for decades is flip flopping. No organ transplants, then they're ok. Vaccines are great, then bad, then great again. There's no direction coming from god. They are just a bunch of men, controlling millions of people and always trying to get more. They use fear and high control tactics to trap people, even using their families against them. I wish I wasn't born into this, but at least the pattern stops with me and my family. Critics thinking is encouraged in my home. It always will be.
Can I just thankyou Lloyd you were the one that helped me to make peace with myself that I was right all along .. there was something very wrong about this cult. And now I can live without their burden on my shoulders the worries and all the stress that they piled on us from childhood ... it feels so good ❤
I have been watching your videos for 3 years, Lloyd. I really appreciate your work. My journey out of Watchtower has taken me to becoming a Christian. Even though you have landed in a different place for now, I find you a very good teacher in your videos you have done showing why one of the practices of Watchtower is not supported in scripture. In this video, as you took a minute to focus on Gage Fleegle’s show of emotion in response to the experiences about “God’s mercy” regarding disfellowshipped ones returning, my thought as a Christian is that those tears of emotion belong in response to what Jesus did at his death. That is where God’s mercy showed to all of mankind. Gage’s emotion is in response to a tragic situation that Watchtower itself has created by their most unscriptural and cruel practice of shunning people who make mistakes or who choose to leave the group. What they call mercy is appalling when compared to what God’s mercy actually is. Thank you for what you do😊.
What is odd to me, is that it’s not that they only relaxed their stance against beards, but now they are actually encouraging and promoting brothers having beards. That’s what strikes me as odd…
I remember saying to an elder who was questioning me over having a beard and saying it's "wordly." I said, amongst other things, that nobody's "stumbled" by me having a beard, but there are plenty of people stumbled by rules that are not scriptural like not having beards. He thought about it and said I was wrong because I was stumbling myself! Great logic. Of course, he has a beard now.
I DO NOT THINK ANY BEARD JOKES ARE FUNNY OR THE TOPIC. IT'S BEEN SOOOO MUCH EMOTIONAL,VERBAL AND SHUNNING FOR MANY WHO LET THEIR BEARDS GROW EVEN A FRACTIIN OF AN INCH!!
I was lambasted, ridiculed, humiliated and even on one occasion assaulted by the COBE for simply not maintaining a smooth shaven face during the work week !! The mockery of their former policy which they attempted to defend with misapplied scriptures and the ostracism of brothers like me in the past absolutely INFURIATES ME !! Their gaslighting hypocrisy knows no bounds !!
I remember, back in the 1980s, aJW came to my house and I spoke at length with him. I remember that he wore a shirt and tie, and was clean shaven. I noticed, though, that his face was irritated. That the skin was obviously not smooth. I asked him about this and he said that he has a skin condition that is not amenable to shaving. I suggested that he grow a beard, and he told me that he's not allowed to.
All those years as a kid thinking, "man, how do people know they're anointed?" and it turns out they were just making shit up. I could have fully called myself anointed and they'd have no means of challenging it, except for the fact that I am a woman. XD
It always puzzled me too. I was told it's as clear to the annointed, like knowing if you are male or female. But who could challenge that? It's ludicrous.
‘A man of his proportions getting that agitated’ 😂😂😂 Oh Lloyd, you make the most tedious enjoyable 😂 Thank you for the new light on the new light 💡 I don’t think nothing will ever beat the Revelation: it’s grand climax at hand (I only just realised what they did there with the title😂) book’s interpretation of the seven trumpet 🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺 blasts, that was the start of the waking up for me 😂 the first trumpet blast being the convention in Cedar Point, Ohio 1922 🎺 I can remember discussing that with my Nan after the group study and she said ‘how ridiculous’. Your videos ensure the ridiculous continues to be documented and analysed by your skilled mind, and I’m eternally grateful that you can provide the apostate food at the proper time 💞
As a JW myself of some 30+ yrs but faded, I personally find their complete "about face" on the beard issue both highly amusing and offensive at the same time. I know full well the "soft shunning" treatment dished out to brothers for years who DARED to sport even a short beard or anything beyond a five o'clock shadow. Though it was not "a mortal sin" to have a beard, it was considered very taboo to have anything resembling a beard - except mustaches were allowed for some illogical reason. And the reasons given over the years were basically trollop. Yet because the GB treated this as an unwritten rule, the JW community treated the "offending" bothers almost as pariahs and certainly as "bad associates". Of course few knew the real reason for the origins of this controlling rule. After Charles Russel died, Rutherford manouvered to get the presidency. Being "beard free" himself, one thing Rutherford was noted for was his quiet dislike for brothers carrying beards in the manner of his predecessor Russel and was known to make comments about it. So Rutherford was promoting the clean shaven look and ensured that his underlings followed suit and soon this became an "unwritten" but an essential official element of grooming for brothers. For those brothers who went contrary to this "rule" , they were seen in poor light and would have lost their "privileges" . That they ( the GB) have now gone so obviously to the other end of the scale and are almost appear to be promoting beards as a "mark of maturity" I find it stupidly ironic actually and offensive and the shifty leadership should publicly apologise to the many past brothers who were treated badly. But of course they wouldn't do that. They are not in the business of apologising- but they will announce an "adjustment in our thinking".. until the next time.
“Great joy on earth “to welcome back disfellowshipped ones”. So back in 2019 when I was trying to get reinstated lol I know. I started attending this one kingdom hall and I went up and I told the coordinator of the body of elders that I was disfellowshipped, but I want to be reinstated. And he looked at me dead in the face with a disappointed look and said “and you wanna come here?!” Yeah such love! 🤣
Thanks for suffering thru this content on our behalf and making it bearable for us to keep informed about what the religion is saying since some of us still have believing family members. Much appreciated Lloyd.
You get the feeling they're desperate to come across as the 'friendly and approachable' group! How things have changed....but I don't think it's from the goodness of their hearts. From a marketing perspective they could be shooting themselves in the foot. Am I wrong to think the older JWs would find this suspicious?
I was thinking wow! 5000 people were negatively impacted by their regulations. 5000 people had to suffer being outcasted and damaging relationships because of their rules then all of a sudden it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s so sad.
Ik vind het walgelijk hoe ze lachen over de baard issue we hadden toen in in verschillende gemeentes een hoop problemen hierover ik word hier erg emotioneel van maar ook heel boos hoe we zo voor de gek gehouden zijn😢
I knew Gage when I was a kid/young teen in the 90’s in the Wolcott, CT congregation. He always came across as a kind, sincere guy. I don’t know anything about his personal life or family, but I never met them when he was in our congregation… he was already in Bethel though so his family could have been from anywhere. Being in CT, we always had Bethelites from the Wallkill Bethel.
Yeah the anointed ones, my father is one of them. Ain’t easy to deal with this as I’m trying to keep relationship alive with my parents for my kids to be able to see their grand parents
The clip which stood out for me in this crock of sh1t was the man relating that his father had agreed to a study, having been disfellowshipped when the man was just eight years old in 1979. The man was understandably very emotional. He's 53/54 years old now, so he'd probably left home around thirty years ago and as an obedient JW, he's therefore been shunning his father for all this time and his dad is now in his 70s or 80s. Finally, they may resume normal relations - assuming the man does come back to the fold. If his father hadn't returned (as most people won't), they'd have been estranged for life, albeit, with the recent reform that the son might now invite his father to meetings. They've only highlighted what a brutal religion this is. Very touching indeed, Gage Fleegle.
I’ve never been a JW, but even I got a bit choked up at the stories about families being reunited. Then I remembered it’s a problem of the organisation’s own making and the fact that they’re using the arbitrary reversal of those rules as evidence of god’s love is absolutely ludicrous
The topic with the new young "annointed" ones, how on earth are people still in this organisation?? & laughing about it? New light = how can we keep this cult going.
"The Governing Body has decided...." -- uhh didn't a gentleman by the name of Moses get in trouble for 'declaring' the exact same thing??? How can JWs - old and young - continue to fall for this mess??? Ahh well...fortunately at least some are waking up. DOPE shirt by the way, Lloyd! 👌🏽👌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
The GB nowadays gains 'new light' from reading the bible in context. But reading the bible verses in context is exactly what is forbidden for the ordinary JW members... Greetings from Germany 😊
Jody Jedele is the owner of Tierra Bella Realty in North Carolina. He and his wife Damaris appear to own property in Mecklenburg county North Carolina, they sued a tenant on August 30, 2024 for failure to pay rent . Documents are all online. Rent due $1895.00 on 8/1/2024, Amount of rent past due $309.00. Jody Jedele sued a tenant for $309.00…… seems petty imo. I knew Jody when he lived in Iowa before going to Bethel, I was very young at the time and he was in the neighboring congregation, I dont remember much other than no one really thought much of him, he didnt come from a “spiritually strong” family. Anyway, seems like he built a real estate company at some point, maybe he left bethel for awhile to pursue his real estate license and open Tierra Bella Realty, if you notice Losch said he “began full-time service in 1989 and BEGAN bethel service in 1990” to me that isnt saying he has been in bethel SINCE 1990. I suspect he left Bethel at some point to pursue his real estate career and CCIM. This is just a hunch, I have no inside knowledge. Thanks for the recap, great video as usual!!!!
On the latest JW Broadcasting, Losch interviews the new members and Jody explains he had broken service to go take care of sick/elder parents & went back to Bethel recently (2022 i think)
Suddenly they discover the parable of the Prodigal Son? They removed the shunning videos and replace. Them with these videos for their Norwegian money.
Which complete numbskull started the slow clap for Gag's little choke? Do they really want someone who cries at the drop of a scripted hat to be IN BATTLE AGAINST SATAN?!
The jokes about beards are sickening!!!! For years you were Satans friend if you had a beard and you HAD to shave it off to be Jehovah’s friend!! 🤢🤢🤢🤮 And NOW it’s a big JOKE !!!!! 😡😡
I only have one critique of the statement about the GB not being robots and having emotions. Let's not forget that he is a complete newbie. He's not seasoned, experienced or likely allowed to do that again. That was very much out of character for a leader and future king slayer.
When I was a JW I dated a guy who had vitiligo & wanted to have a beard to hide it a bit. He would grow a goatee once in awhile, but always quickly shaved it due to the judgement from others. Totally hilarious 🙄
53.00 Oh, please! These tearful displays are precious! It's taken fifty years of mandated shunning to the ruination of countless families and friendships to change only one iota, and they think it's significant. All so they can reclaim Norwegian money lost owing to their removal policy and its concomitant ostracisation. Pure cant!
Regarding the emotional bit about being merciful and allowing a chance to talk to shunned ones... I cannot help but feel that the whole thing is just a distasteful putrid venomous spit in the face the way they parade the poor guys story about his father... Where is the mercy here? Decades have passed. Joy, laughter, tears and anger never been shared between the two. I wonder if anything but regret remains there. 😢 Pink Floyd's words come to my mind: "When I was a child, i caught a fleeting glimpse Around the corner of my eye I turned to look, but it was gone I cannot put my finger on it now The child is grown, the dream is gone I have become, comfortably numb..."
Honestly, I don't think I can watch these anymore. This is truly disgusting! My blood pressure is raging up. My 90 year old mother holds on to their every word.
So does my 86 year old mom. At least she won't discuss this religion with me anymore, tho she still gets in a few stupid comments when talking to my husband, I guess he's too polite to tell her to stop.
My sense is that Gage Fleegle is not an evil man, but corrupted. I am convinced that the evil that men do rarely serves to define their whole inner nature.
Is it just me? I thought that Fleegle moment was completely staged and not at all genuine. He was just waiting for the clapping. His eyes don't even tear up at all and he just continued on as normal, after the clapping. I think they'll keep it in the video because it's all coordinated to stir up emotions.
This new governing body member with real estate credentials likely brokered the HALF BILLION dollar sale of Watchtower property in Brooklyn and worldwide.
I was in for 15 years but left after I had a revelation of who Jesus really is. That was nearly 37 years ago. What horrifies me is the damage they are doing to their children - teaching them that Jehovah only accepts and loves them if they are part of the organisation. They will grow up so psychologically messed up. When I was in the organisation there were no cartoons to indoctrinate children with like there is today. I got out when my children were 13 and 10 and am so grateful I did, but am sorry they missed the enjoyment of Christmas and birthdays in their younger years - they are living happy fruitful lives now with children of their own. I wish more people would wake up to how dreadful this cult really is.
These aren't going to be sudden changes....it's gonna be like new light lol. With the new changes made a couple years ago, you can wait and in the off chance JW are right, change your mind then lol
I think they're trying to get the kids straight out of high school. They can't even risk giving them one Summer to perhaps change their minds by starting a real life.
@@Eric_01 I didnt even went to high school ty for this cult. Most of teens started basic works like washing floors after school half time, preaching full time, that time it was 90 hrs, moving with someone, ofc same sex, I truly hated this lifestyle. But atleast I could move away from my dad that was horrible person, cos I started working early and get own home. I still feel sad that I didnt go to high school and above that. I know I had brains to do so. 2 of my close relatives were teachers and school was so easy to me. But ty for cult, I wasted my life. I´m too old for starting that all over.
I love when david splain says you will be assigned to live in the country or a city. I mean wtf?? If this was real, which it's not, if I make it to the new system I'm going to be told where to live by Ken Flodin?? Please?!??
Yes parents, the very BEST thing you can do for your child or children is to steer them AWAY from any higher education and strongly encourage or persuade them of going into full time service as being THE best way to spend their life. Im sure many JWs themselves might think twice about such admonition coming from JW leadership who arent really sure of anything except how to NOT inform the rank & file about whats really going on with regards to declining numbers etc.
I like the way they re write history by referring to people who were disfellowshipped, as being removed from the congregation, even though this is their latest 2024 designation. And why are disfellowshipped ones made to do a 'Bible' study, in order to be reinstated? Probably as so much has changed in the intervening years, this simply isn't biblical though.
These cartoons are just out of control. Everyone was resurrected to just one bridge? Where did all of these corpses get clothes from? Not only is it weird that the 2000 year old corpses have vintage garb, is it the stuff they were buried in? Have they eaten yet? What language are they all blabbering with? Nobody from the "bible times" spoke English. Can you imagine what grammy's breath is like?
@morningglory9288 Nope. As equally insane and even more than that in the cartoon. Neither of you have any evidence for such claims. It just cracks me up when people will criticize one belief when theirs is just as wild.
@@Eric_01 not insane when you contact spirit mediums who can converse with the deceased and they know everything that goes on in our lives. It's very comforting to know life exists past this life as we know it.
@@morningglory9288 Nope. That is infinitely worse and you've been had by a grifter. Unbelievable that you thought that was a counter to being insane. WOW. The degree of your gullibility seems to have no limit.
Being a Realtor myself, Designations in our industry are optional. Most agents do not get them formally, but do get experience and learning in other ways mostly on the job training at your Brokerage with a Mentor. Destinations are more about proving you had the training in which you say you are experienced. Commercial Real Estate is much more entailed and with more detailed contracts, and you are working with especially if it is for JW purchases millions or billions of dollar deals.
hi there I am an ex JW but my experience is that I was never really ostracized by my parents and sister.... has this happened to anybody else? I left more than 36 years ago after being in the organisation for more than 20... Never looked back - why do people go back?
@jackijax505, No, but I think Jehovah's Witnesses and Latter-day Saints are more similar than they think. JWs' doctrines are more in line with conservative expressions Evangelical Protestant Christianity. Mormonism has doctrines involving a heavenly pre-existence for all immortal souls, the belief in a plurality of deities, the belief that Yahweh (referred to as Elohim and Heavenly Father) was once a mortal man who had to earn his deity status, performing baptisms for deceased persons so that they have a chance at getting into the better place in the afterlife, the belief that humans can attain godhood in the afterlife, the belief that men should be married in religious marriage ceremonies to multiple women; secret rituals in temple buildings where you are assigned a new name that you must give to God in the afterlife etc. Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness theology both hold to some theological concepts that pre-date their denominations' existence and their denominational theologies were also highly informed by the historical, political, social and cultural forces of the time period in which they emerged in 19th century America.
@@Cat_Woods, I think the Mormons' theology is a bit more inventive, though Joseph Smith Jr. took a lot of inspiration from other sources. Charles Taze Russell was definitely influenced heavily by the Millerite-Adventist movement which many Jehovah's Witnesses don't seem to know much about. Evangelical Protestant Christianity as a movement that became popular in the 19th century, I believe, could also be considered as a possible significant influence. I sometimes wonder how, or even if Russell's previous background in Presbyterianism and Congregationalism -- extensions of the wider and more global Reformed Christian (Calvinist) movement -- had any sort of influence, however large or small, on early Bible Student-Jehovah's Witness theology or rituals? Could William Miller, the founder of the Millerite-Adventist movement, could his Baptist background and the Baptist movement's respective theology be considered as a possible indirect influence on the theological thought of the early International Bible Students denomination that somehow could have made its way into the Millerite movement and helped shape the beliefs of those Adventist movement clergy whom Russell came into contact with? JW theology is almost kind of bland. The lack of more esoteric and mystical ideas outside of numerology used to apply Biblical prophecy as referring to modern events makes it more boring.
As for the stories about former members who've been removed from their congregations returning to the faith, many of them probably don't believe in Witness teachings but want to retain a relationship with their JW family and friends. Many are probably those whom we could call POMI (physically out, mentally in); basically, they still believe in JW doctrines despite their excommunication and may not have questioned their beliefs all that much. That wouldn't be surprising at all. I have little doubt that Watch Tower society's shunning policy has had a difficult impact on Witnesses' emotional and psychological health. To see a Governing Body member get emotional, Gage Fleegle Schpiegel in particular -- where is your emotion for those Witnesses who rejected having a blood transfusion and who might have died because of that? Where are your tears for all those closeted, repressed LGBT Witnesses who feel that they're eternally damned to annihilation regardless of whether or not they ever decide to express their sexuality or gender identity who believe that God doesn't love or care for them at all and that they're "better off" killing themselves in this life? Did you all forget that Stephen Lett's own nephew killed himself because he wasn't able to find a way to reconcile both his sexual orientation as a gay man and his newfound atheism with his past experiences in the Jehovah's Witness faith? Where are your tears for those victims of child molestation within your denomination who feel like their congregations and the Society have let them down by not doing more to help bring their assaulter to justice? Where are your tears for those apostates or doubting members who felt they could no longer bear to be alive after they've been told they have lost their eternal salvation, have lost or risked losing their religious community and support network and who had lost or risked losing their relationships with their family and friends? I guess it's nice that Witnesses are acting in less robotic, formulaic ways in the new videos instead of having everything be scripted. Most of us know that most JWs don't talk in that robotic, scripted way in their private lives. That Maria Dill woman, it's a bit disturbing how she goes up to a man, was it at an airport, who is morning the loss of a loved one and she immediately starts asking him, "Who died?" and starts with the proselytizing. Maybe she means well, but that's still kind of rude and predatory. Then you have the lady who told a, what was it a cashier? Asked her about her fingernails being painted with certain colors which indicate that she supports anti-domestic violence efforts. The JW woman then starts telling her about her Church's advice on how to deal with this issue -- basically, you need to be a more devout Jehovah's Witness and that'll somehow magically inspire your spouse to stop being an asshole to you. The number of Memorial partakers goes up, well, no problem...Jehovah will just reassign your position in the afterlife. Before that, they said Witnesses who did that were either mistaken due to previous religious beliefs making them feel as if they had special status with God if they're a convert, the others were mentally ill, apparently. God, my head hurts...
Three minutes in and several references to bearded attendees - the irony - have followers really gone from it's not allowed to actively encouraged and then joke about it?
I understand your thoughts on domestic violence iro divorce not being 'allowed' . I have seen some leave their partner for this very reason and later be able to get a divorce because the other person then went on to give them that reason ie they committed fornication/adultery. And honestly a person in that situation should not be rushing into a new marriage having come out of that kind of marriage anyway IMO. But I absolutely see your point of course.
They are becoming more liberal as time goes bye ... firstly with dress and grooming now with reduced age restrictions for responsible positions in there congregations and loosening the grip on those that are disfellowshipped ... more mainstream less spiritual..
@@Eric_01 Mark Sanderson's ultimate power trip, "Hmmm, I think a beard would really suit me."🤣 It's a shame Stephen Letts didn't go for one, he may have looked less like a bloodhound chewing a toffee.
Young people stay away. Protect your spiritual space, get an education (develop your talents and skills), learn to manage your money, and enjoy your life.
Yes yes yes!!! What is with all the laughing???!!!! With Geoffrey Jackson? Is it a nervous laugh? But yeah it’s like the curtain has been pulled back and they are still like I can’t believe these people haven’t noticed yet.
the beard jokes feel like a mockery considering how strict they were about it . almost how stupid were you all
Makes sense as one of the requirements to be part of this cult is to be extremely stupid and gullible... I was brought up in this toxic cult and even as a very young child I knew it was idiotic
They are hoping the sheep will simply laugh it off as nothing of any consequence. My elder son already said to me it's just a minor adjustment 😂
They're rubbing the noses of the rank and file in it, of course!
I talked to my dad about it and he struggled to rationalize it effectively to me. Is what it is but I’ve told him I can’t return to the org just off of how they change stuff on a whim and get no pushback
@P8nplays you expect a jw robot to rationalise anything effectively... If they possessed logic and critical thinking they wouldn't be in this silly cult
I don’t know how you do it Lloyd…. But you do…. The insanity of these guys is difficult to watch….You are a treasure to the Ex Jw community sir. Thank you.
My younger brother had severe acne, and we moved to a new congregation in North Carolina and he had a beard to cover it. And they treated him like he used to Disfellowshipped and then that translated to the rest of us being bad associations too. They didn’t even want to share the back room for the book study one night with us there, they said we really don’t have room. But they had enough chairs for all of us.
😢 shocking. I hope you and your family are all out 😆
That’s just so horrible, they should be asked if they ever heard of the new rules and having beards are okay now. Then read them the scripture that puts these gossiping hypocrites in the same category as every other sin.
I was so afraid to tell the elders that called me in to the hall to discipline me, because I had no idea what I had said that so terrible that I was publicly reproved , I still to this day know what the hell they were talking about. My husband was there to, but even when a witness drugged me and then told his wife he would meet her at home, I passed out. He had no balls, he never even said anything to the rapist! But my husband was very controlling, he didn’t think that throwing me against a wall is okay, because I WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HIM. I knew he was escalating, so I was just was going to leave the house and let him cool down. My 13 year old daughter saw it all, I had just spent 4 Weeks in the mental health dept of our local hospital, because I was depressed, but mainly because I I was sick and had to go on long term disability. I was in sever pain, so what he did that night was going to cause me to suffer even more. So back to him dragging me back in the house, several times, he had me pinned against the wall and he screamed for her to call 911, he said your mother has gone nuts again, and she screamed back at him, she’s not crazy YOU ARE! He dropped his hands and went and sat n the couch. It was not his first time. The worst time was when I did try to kill myself, I was at my breaking point, and I took an overdose. My husband knew I had, yet he went to bed because he was tired and needed to sleep, well I couldn’t move once I started to throw up. Then I started bleeding severally and I lost my hearing, I was stupid and had taken aspirin and that’s why. Finally about
I crawled the 8 or so feet to he bed as he had slept all night. I asked him to take me to a hospital. He yelled at me and then at the hospital he didn’t try to tell the nurse nor press for help. He sat and let me wait 2 hours where I was getting worse, then when a doctor came in the nursat e had judged me and never even took my temperature my blood pressure which haden dropping so low. He yelled at the nurse when he got my results and m family doctor yelled at my husband that if he loved me then he should have showed that but instead he went to bed. The doctor knew he was abusive and he was disgusted with him because he claimed to be a JW, which he knew allot about them. I was in the hospital for two weeks, but my ex had to promise to come in and talk about being a loving husband and father. But he was not going to change, he never listened to any of the advice from the elders. Not even once. I was the one teaching our girls, studying with them every day! Since he wasn’t doing it. But he would count 4 hours, I don’t knmow that, but I was told that only one could count the time, the head of the didn’t ouse! Our youngest baby would not aeven sit on his knee, till after 3 yrs old.
I jumped a bit ahead, after my attempt, I was called to the hall as the elders wanted to talk to me about what happened! In the end they said I had attempted murder, even if it was myself, being depressed and abused by witnesses while my mom went in service,
I was publically reproved for attempting to murder myself, my husband was not told anything. They never asked me if I was okay, did I need someone to talk to, not once.
It just got worse from then on. Eventually he left me because he needed time to figure himself out. So he left me for six months, the day after he went in for private counselling, where he could control the narrative, so he would hear what he wanted to hear. But he could not spend even an hour to help fix our relationship and our family. But I have to say goodnight. I have been sick now for over 28 years, he left me within the first year of being sick. He spent his free time visiting an elder and his wife where he went while I couldn’t even get up out of bed. I didn’t know how bad I was, but it he didn’t believe a word. Because they thought I only had fibromyalgia, and this elder had it too, so of course he told my ex that😮 no it’s not like that. He used to live in Bethal and now he was going to fix our congregation. My husband turned into my ex who had left me, for the second time, and were divorced, finally, but the elder and his me wife had a friend they wanted him to meet, so he was driving to see her on his days off, forgetting he also had a 13 year old daughter, he didn’t even call her for 7 months or more. But then he was told he couldn’t date the very woman they set him up with, no because he told him he was still married biblically to me! Well you know they kept showing up till I angrily opened the door, I had a serious lung infection and feverish but they wanted me at the hall and I told them my doctor said I needed to be in bed. Then he said we meet on another day, and I called them telling them I couldn’t go. He told me if I don’t come they were going to have the meeting anyway. So I asked them to tell me what they decided. But they didn’t. This freeing my ex to marry the woman they set him up with to get him married as soon as possible, because they knew he liked woman and they didn’t want him to come back to m
That was never going to happen on my part.
He had told me every time I was sick to go see doctor don’t tell
him about it.then he’d say I leaving you I can’t this anymore. Or when he felt guilty, he’d tell me that I should find someone who would treat me better. But I was just 16 when I was married off, so I didn’t have an Education.
The thing is I didn’t stay that way! And he didn’t like that, he hated me getting my drivers license🎉 even more. He was totally different when he was away! He wanted me to wear the least possible clothes, and on our last trip he wanted to spend all his time at the nude beach,
But when I got my voice, and didn’t ask his permission to work full time. Now I could support myself and finally was free. It’s been so long, he has never said he was sorry, not even now when he knows I am dying. I was never faking it, that was him telling it to himself to justify his lies.
@@wcabb4277 You are very very brave. Thank you for sharing your story.
I remember a’beard situation’ in my congregation many years ago!!! I’m 78 now been an X for also many years and it is still fresh in my mind. But now they make jokes about beards!!! 😡🤢
I am no friend of WatchTower . I was in it 40 years and it ruined my youth. However this beard business is all very American. I have always lived in England and beards were simply NEVER an issue here.
I was DFd and divorced when my daughter was 6. I had visitation and we never missed a beat. I paid my child support and kept my relationship with my daughter very close. I never tried to confuse her, but I urged her with intent to, at the very least, not get baptized until she was an adult. Somehow, she obliged and didn't do it until she was 18. Within a month of her 18th b'day I received a text from her stating the she was going to give "the truth" an honest effort and couldn't see me anymore. We'd had dinner together only the week before! That was ten years ago. We've never spoke again since the day of that text, to which I replied, "Just always remember, I'm not the one who gave you an ultimatum."
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How frustrating it is 😔 It’s so unfair.
That’s so cold hearted! It’s unbelievable!
That is not right.
This is so horribly sad!
They are so wrong for the beard jokes 😬 knowing how people were actually treated when they grew one
They making jokes about staff that's seriously affecting peoples lives, even the armageddon and the anointed doctrine, they tryna sweep it under the rugg and make a joke outa of it.
This org is truly like nothing else. Extreme mind control like nothing in human history I believe
@@wakarlajc23 Very true.
The level of self-serving is so transparent. These people serve themselves. “New light”. New shunning rules. The “organization” destroyed my childhood. Lifetime trauma. Have they repented?
They never will. They already addressed this by saying "no apology is needed" for "changes in understanding". I'm sorry, I meant "adjustments". The reason they use that word, is because when you adjust something, it's already real. What they are doing and have been doing for decades is flip flopping. No organ transplants, then they're ok. Vaccines are great, then bad, then great again. There's no direction coming from god. They are just a bunch of men, controlling millions of people and always trying to get more. They use fear and high control tactics to trap people, even using their families against them. I wish I wasn't born into this, but at least the pattern stops with me and my family. Critics thinking is encouraged in my home. It always will be.
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Can I just thankyou Lloyd you were the one that helped me to make peace with myself that I was right all along .. there was something very wrong about this cult. And now I can live without their burden on my shoulders the worries and all the stress that they piled on us from childhood ... it feels so good ❤
You have the best reviews!!!! Your insights and comments are spot on! ❤
Thank you so much again dear Lloyd fir a great job! I fully woke up during the pandemic thanks your fabolous videos! ❤❤❤❤
I have been watching your videos for 3 years, Lloyd. I really appreciate your work. My journey out of Watchtower has taken me to becoming a Christian. Even though you have landed in a different place for now, I find you a very good teacher in your videos you have done showing why one of the practices of Watchtower is not supported in scripture. In this video, as you took a minute to focus on Gage Fleegle’s show of emotion in response to the experiences about “God’s mercy” regarding disfellowshipped ones returning, my thought as a Christian is that those tears of emotion belong in response to what Jesus did at his death. That is where God’s mercy showed to all of mankind. Gage’s emotion is in response to a tragic situation that Watchtower itself has created by their most unscriptural and cruel practice of shunning people who make mistakes or who choose to leave the group. What they call mercy is appalling when compared to what God’s mercy actually is. Thank you for what you do😊.
Becoming a Christian, does that mean you believe in Hellfire and the Trinity?
Love you to bits Lloyd., Sharon ❤
What is odd to me, is that it’s not that they only relaxed their stance against beards, but now they are actually encouraging and promoting brothers having beards. That’s what strikes me as odd…
I remember saying to an elder who was questioning me over having a beard and saying it's "wordly." I said, amongst other things, that nobody's "stumbled" by me having a beard, but there are plenty of people stumbled by rules that are not scriptural like not having beards. He thought about it and said I was wrong because I was stumbling myself! Great logic.
Of course, he has a beard now.
I DO NOT THINK ANY BEARD JOKES ARE FUNNY OR THE TOPIC. IT'S BEEN SOOOO MUCH EMOTIONAL,VERBAL AND SHUNNING FOR MANY WHO LET THEIR BEARDS GROW EVEN A FRACTIIN OF AN INCH!!
I was lambasted, ridiculed, humiliated and even on one occasion assaulted by the COBE for simply not maintaining a smooth shaven face during the work week !! The mockery of their former policy which they attempted to defend with misapplied scriptures and the ostracism of brothers like me in the past absolutely INFURIATES ME !! Their gaslighting hypocrisy knows no bounds !!
It's not funny at all
And the jokes show that they had beards back then so where did that rule even come from.
I agree my husband was shunned and counceled so hard for growing a beard. From friends and family it's bullshit.
@@jojogyapong5024 NOOOPE!!
I remember, back in the 1980s, aJW came to my house and I spoke at length with him. I remember that he wore a shirt and tie, and was clean shaven. I noticed, though, that his face was irritated. That the skin was obviously not smooth. I asked him about this and he said that he has a skin condition that is not amenable to shaving. I suggested that he grow a beard, and he told me that he's not allowed to.
I know someone who was in that exact situation. But it’s also hard to feel sympathetic to it bc these people are choosing to be in a crazy cult 😩
All those years as a kid thinking, "man, how do people know they're anointed?" and it turns out they were just making shit up. I could have fully called myself anointed and they'd have no means of challenging it, except for the fact that I am a woman. XD
It always puzzled me too. I was told it's as clear to the annointed, like knowing if you are male or female. But who could challenge that? It's ludicrous.
And again spiritual food at the proper time from Master Evans. Thanks so much Lloyd! 🫰🏻
‘A man of his proportions getting that agitated’ 😂😂😂 Oh Lloyd, you make the most tedious enjoyable 😂 Thank you for the new light on the new light 💡 I don’t think nothing will ever beat the Revelation: it’s grand climax at hand (I only just realised what they did there with the title😂) book’s interpretation of the seven trumpet 🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺 blasts, that was the start of the waking up for me 😂 the first trumpet blast being the convention in Cedar Point, Ohio 1922 🎺 I can remember discussing that with my Nan after the group study and she said ‘how ridiculous’. Your videos ensure the ridiculous continues to be documented and analysed by your skilled mind, and I’m eternally grateful that you can provide the apostate food at the proper time 💞
As a JW myself of some 30+ yrs but faded, I personally find their complete "about face" on the beard issue both highly amusing and offensive at the same time. I know full well the "soft shunning" treatment dished out to brothers for years who DARED to sport even a short beard or anything beyond a five o'clock shadow. Though it was not "a mortal sin" to have a beard, it was considered very taboo to have anything resembling a beard - except mustaches were allowed for some illogical reason. And the reasons given over the years were basically trollop. Yet because the GB treated this as an unwritten rule, the JW community treated the "offending" bothers almost as pariahs and certainly as "bad associates". Of course few knew the real reason for the origins of this controlling rule. After Charles Russel died, Rutherford manouvered to get the presidency. Being "beard free" himself, one thing Rutherford was noted for was his quiet dislike for brothers carrying beards in the manner of his predecessor Russel and was known to make comments about it. So Rutherford was promoting the clean shaven look and ensured that his underlings followed suit and soon this became an "unwritten" but an essential official element of grooming for brothers. For those brothers who went contrary to this "rule" , they were seen in poor light and would have lost their "privileges" . That they ( the GB) have now gone so obviously to the other end of the scale and are almost appear to be promoting beards as a "mark of maturity" I find it stupidly ironic actually and offensive and the shifty leadership should publicly apologise to the many past brothers who were treated badly. But of course they wouldn't do that. They are not in the business of apologising- but they will announce an "adjustment in our thinking".. until the next time.
“Great joy on earth “to welcome back disfellowshipped ones”. So back in 2019 when I was trying to get reinstated lol I know. I started attending this one kingdom hall and I went up and I told the coordinator of the body of elders that I was disfellowshipped, but I want to be reinstated. And he looked at me dead in the face with a disappointed look and said “and you wanna come here?!”
Yeah such love! 🤣
Thanks for suffering thru this content on our behalf and making it bearable for us to keep informed about what the religion is saying since some of us still have believing family members. Much appreciated Lloyd.
Yeah I’m not a fan of the “jokes”.
It’s a deflection , because they are embarrassed and uncomfortable with their non-explanation
The jokes were so cringe.😬
That's a given from this organisation.
You get the feeling they're desperate to come across as the 'friendly and approachable' group! How things have changed....but I don't think it's from the goodness of their hearts. From a marketing perspective they could be shooting themselves in the foot. Am I wrong to think the older JWs would find this suspicious?
I am crying now just like "FLAGE BEAGLE." COME ON NOW, APPLAUDE ME NOW, NOW, NOW!!!
I can't HEAR YOU!!!!
I was thinking wow! 5000 people were negatively impacted by their regulations. 5000 people had to suffer being outcasted and damaging relationships because of their rules then all of a sudden it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s so sad.
Dear Lloyd!
I remember your video ,where you revealed ,that an elder had told you,that you had great potential ,he was right indeed 😂
Ik vind het walgelijk hoe ze lachen over de baard issue we hadden toen in in verschillende gemeentes een hoop problemen hierover ik word hier erg emotioneel van maar ook heel boos hoe we zo voor de gek gehouden zijn😢
The fake cry by the GB member and then like where's the applause? *Claps ensue
I knew Gage when I was a kid/young teen in the 90’s in the Wolcott, CT congregation. He always came across as a kind, sincere guy. I don’t know anything about his personal life or family, but I never met them when he was in our congregation… he was already in Bethel though so his family could have been from anywhere. Being in CT, we always had Bethelites from the Wallkill Bethel.
Yeah the anointed ones, my father is one of them. Ain’t easy to deal with this as I’m trying to keep relationship alive with my parents for my kids to be able to see their grand parents
I love how they gaslight people by saying that the “thinking” was that the 144,000 number would go down and down. NOPE!! That’s what you taught us!!!
The clip which stood out for me in this crock of sh1t was the man relating that his father had agreed to a study, having been disfellowshipped when the man was just eight years old in 1979. The man was understandably very emotional. He's 53/54 years old now, so he'd probably left home around thirty years ago and as an obedient JW, he's therefore been shunning his father for all this time and his dad is now in his 70s or 80s. Finally, they may resume normal relations - assuming the man does come back to the fold. If his father hadn't returned (as most people won't), they'd have been estranged for life, albeit, with the recent reform that the son might now invite his father to meetings. They've only highlighted what a brutal religion this is. Very touching indeed, Gage Fleegle.
Lloyds comments washed my soul on this video ❤
I don’t know why he got allegedly emotional when he has no life. What is he getting worked up about seriously? A missed publication deadline lol.
I think he's gonna get his a## kicked in the Battle of Armageddon. JC isn't gonna like all that blubbering.
When the “anointed” number gets too high…new light will be delivered: 144,000 is a SYMBOLIC number
Or it is 'an overlapping number', so in total it will be 288,000 people... (similar to the 'overlapping generations' since 1914...)
Lloyd, thanks for the perfect Monday morning treat!
I’ve never been a JW, but even I got a bit choked up at the stories about families being reunited. Then I remembered it’s a problem of the organisation’s own making and the fact that they’re using the arbitrary reversal of those rules as evidence of god’s love is absolutely ludicrous
Thanks ❤
The topic with the new young "annointed" ones, how on earth are people still in this organisation?? & laughing about it? New light = how can we keep this cult going.
I Dont think Gage's tears are sincere, they are just crocodile tears.
"The Governing Body has decided...." -- uhh didn't a gentleman by the name of Moses get in trouble for 'declaring' the exact same thing??? How can JWs - old and young - continue to fall for this mess??? Ahh well...fortunately at least some are waking up. DOPE shirt by the way, Lloyd! 👌🏽👌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
The GB nowadays gains 'new light' from reading the bible in context. But reading the bible verses in context is exactly what is forbidden for the ordinary JW members...
Greetings from Germany 😊
Jody Jedele is the owner of Tierra Bella Realty in North Carolina. He and his wife Damaris appear to own property in Mecklenburg county North Carolina, they sued a tenant on August 30, 2024 for failure to pay rent . Documents are all online.
Rent due $1895.00 on 8/1/2024, Amount of rent past due $309.00.
Jody Jedele sued a tenant for $309.00…… seems petty imo.
I knew Jody when he lived in Iowa before going to Bethel, I was very young at the time and he was in the neighboring congregation, I dont remember much other than no one really thought much of him, he didnt come from a “spiritually strong” family.
Anyway, seems like he built a real estate company at some point, maybe he left bethel for awhile to pursue his real estate license and open Tierra Bella Realty, if you notice Losch said he “began full-time service in 1989 and BEGAN bethel service in 1990” to me that isnt saying he has been in bethel SINCE 1990. I suspect he left Bethel at some point to pursue his real estate career and CCIM. This is just a hunch, I have no inside knowledge.
Thanks for the recap, great video as usual!!!!
Wow interesting , and now he is actually a KING!
Interesting. Thanks for this information.
Do you know what year he started partaking of the bread and wine?
On the latest JW Broadcasting, Losch interviews the new members and Jody explains he had broken service to go take care of sick/elder parents & went back to Bethel recently (2022 i think)
How completely appropriate he's a realtor, that's what they really worship, their assets.
Wasting your life away for a multi billion dollar real estate conglomerate under the guise that they’re doing it for God.
Sad but true
Suddenly they discover the parable of the Prodigal Son?
They removed the shunning videos and replace. Them with these videos for their Norwegian money.
Which complete numbskull started the slow clap for Gag's little choke? Do they really want someone who cries at the drop of a scripted hat to be IN BATTLE AGAINST SATAN?!
The jokes about beards are sickening!!!! For years you were Satans friend if you had a beard and you HAD to shave it off to be Jehovah’s friend!! 🤢🤢🤢🤮 And NOW it’s a big JOKE !!!!! 😡😡
The googleling is actually a very smart move, since a search pool of this magnify will highlight The new GB members real estate name..
I'm disappointed they don't have Elizabethan men and women in original dress. Men in tight pants and high heels and wigs!
I only have one critique of the statement about the GB not being robots and having emotions. Let's not forget that he is a complete newbie. He's not seasoned, experienced or likely allowed to do that again. That was very much out of character for a leader and future king slayer.
THAT FAKE EMOTIINAL MOMENT I'M SURE WAS ALL IN THE SCRIPT!!!!
I think it’s possible he could be waking up- realizing he and the rest of the GB are full of it.
@presentmoment22 Naaaahhh ..I doubt it!! Look in his eye's ...they're nothingness
@presentmoment22 I would love to think that.....but the GB Ahave seen and know too much to know it's all BS and it's all about the money.
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When I was a JW I dated a guy who had vitiligo & wanted to have a beard to hide it a bit. He would grow a goatee once in awhile, but always quickly shaved it due to the judgement from others. Totally hilarious 🙄
53.00 Oh, please! These tearful displays are precious! It's taken fifty years of mandated shunning to the ruination of countless families and friendships to change only one iota, and they think it's significant. All so they can reclaim Norwegian money lost owing to their removal policy and its concomitant ostracisation. Pure cant!
Regarding the emotional bit about being merciful and allowing a chance to talk to shunned ones...
I cannot help but feel that the whole thing is just a distasteful putrid venomous spit in the face the way they parade the poor guys story about his father...
Where is the mercy here? Decades have passed. Joy, laughter, tears and anger never been shared between the two. I wonder if anything but regret remains there. 😢
Pink Floyd's words come to my mind:
"When I was a child, i caught a fleeting glimpse
Around the corner of my eye
I turned to look, but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone
I have become, comfortably numb..."
Honestly, I don't think I can watch these anymore. This is truly disgusting! My blood pressure is raging up. My 90 year old mother holds on to their every word.
So does my 86 year old mom. At least she won't discuss this religion with me anymore, tho she still gets in a few stupid comments when talking to my husband, I guess he's too polite to tell her to stop.
My sense is that Gage Fleegle is not an evil man, but corrupted. I am convinced that the evil that men do rarely serves to define their whole inner nature.
Am I the only one that thinks Geoffrey Jackson is always drunk in these? I mean we already had Tony so it really wouldnt surprise me.
Is it just me? I thought that Fleegle moment was completely staged and not at all genuine. He was just waiting for the clapping. His eyes don't even tear up at all and he just continued on as normal, after the clapping. I think they'll keep it in the video because it's all coordinated to stir up emotions.
@@Mercipher21 he gives me the creeps
I think the teleprompter got stuck. 🙃
@@xjwfurious 😆
No, I had the same thought too - I think they will definitely leave that clip in the final version. But perhaps we are too cynical and Lloyd is right!
JWs need to get a barber shop quartet !!
I was waiting for this , thanks Lloyd
This is really saying that there is no free will if God has to put the thought in their minds to fulfill this prophecy. I must be missing something
"Beard jokes" from a bunch of yobs is in very, very poor taste given the way they treated brothers who did have beards.
Is Mr Jackson the new Fred Franz? Coming up with convoluted theories of Armageddon, Babylon the great, wild beast, UN🤣
Mark Sanderson nicely fits the saying that there is no arrogance like Christian humility.
(Edit: spelling correction)
amazing review Lloyd I have not watched it all yet, I cant believe the New Light they now Have adopted crazy 😧
16:37 I was listening in while working on a design, and I thought for a moment they had allowed a woman to speak... 😂
Thank you for highlighting their BB so we don’t have to “endure” this!!
This organization makes me sick to my stomach
This new governing body member with real estate credentials likely brokered the HALF BILLION dollar sale of Watchtower property in Brooklyn and worldwide.
I was in for 15 years but left after I had a revelation of who Jesus really is. That was nearly 37 years ago. What horrifies me is the damage they are doing to their children - teaching them that Jehovah only accepts and loves them if they are part of the organisation. They will grow up so psychologically messed up. When I was in the organisation there were no cartoons to indoctrinate children with like there is today. I got out when my children were 13 and 10 and am so grateful I did, but am sorry they missed the enjoyment of Christmas and birthdays in their younger years - they are living happy fruitful lives now with children of their own. I wish more people would wake up to how dreadful this cult really is.
These aren't going to be sudden changes....it's gonna be like new light lol. With the new changes made a couple years ago, you can wait and in the off chance JW are right, change your mind then lol
8mins in & all I'm hearing is they are getting desperate with age changes (& that was before you said it 😅) - younger & more naive.
I think they're trying to get the kids straight out of high school. They can't even risk giving them one Summer to perhaps change their minds by starting a real life.
@@Eric_01 I didnt even went to high school ty for this cult. Most of teens started basic works like washing floors after school half time, preaching full time, that time it was 90 hrs, moving with someone, ofc same sex, I truly hated this lifestyle. But atleast I could move away from my dad that was horrible person, cos I started working early and get own home. I still feel sad that I didnt go to high school and above that. I know I had brains to do so. 2 of my close relatives were teachers and school was so easy to me. But ty for cult, I wasted my life. I´m too old for starting that all over.
@@Eric_01 absolutely
I love when david splain says you will be assigned to live in the country or a city. I mean wtf?? If this was real, which it's not, if I make it to the new system I'm going to be told where to live by Ken Flodin?? Please?!??
Yes parents, the very BEST thing you can do for your child or children is to steer them AWAY from any higher education and strongly encourage or persuade them of going into full time service as being THE best way to spend their life. Im sure many JWs themselves might think twice about such admonition coming from JW leadership who arent really sure of anything except how to NOT inform the rank & file about whats really going on with regards to declining numbers etc.
So they can die penniless after being servants to watchtower.
Cause that’s what you prophesied and told people..!!
I think you're giving him too much credit Lloyd...that crying scene looked fake as hell to me. Looked like it was only meant for show.
I like the way they re write history by referring to people who were disfellowshipped, as being removed from the congregation, even though this is their latest 2024 designation. And why are disfellowshipped ones made to do a 'Bible' study, in order to be reinstated? Probably as so much has changed in the intervening years, this simply isn't biblical though.
I like the blond hair back again. It suits you.👍
I am disfellowshipped, for years. No elder has called on me. I am glad but the lie is there.
Same here 4.5 years out. It is probably because there know I am opposed, you are probably the same
These cartoons are just out of control. Everyone was resurrected to just one bridge? Where did all of these corpses get clothes from? Not only is it weird that the 2000 year old corpses have vintage garb, is it the stuff they were buried in? Have they eaten yet? What language are they all blabbering with? Nobody from the "bible times" spoke English. Can you imagine what grammy's breath is like?
@Eric_01 our resurrected life will be in heaven, not on earth. We'll be spiritual beings enjoying life like conditions in heaven as on earth.
@morningglory9288 Nope. As equally insane and even more than that in the cartoon. Neither of you have any evidence for such claims. It just cracks me up when people will criticize one belief when theirs is just as wild.
@@Eric_01 not insane when you contact spirit mediums who can converse with the deceased and they know everything that goes on in our lives. It's very comforting to know life exists past this life as we know it.
@@morningglory9288 Nope. That is infinitely worse and you've been had by a grifter. Unbelievable that you thought that was a counter to being insane. WOW. The degree of your gullibility seems to have no limit.
@@morningglory9288 If you believe in the Bible, you do know that spirit mediums are connected with Demons!
Maybe he felt immense guilt over the thousands of families who where ripped apart needlessly for control.
Being a Realtor myself, Designations in our industry are optional. Most agents do not get them formally, but do get experience and learning in other ways mostly on the job training at your Brokerage with a Mentor. Destinations are more about proving you had the training in which you say you are experienced. Commercial Real Estate is much more entailed and with more detailed contracts, and you are working with especially if it is for JW purchases millions or billions of dollar deals.
hi there I am an ex JW but my experience is that I was never really ostracized by my parents and sister.... has this happened to anybody else?
I left more than 36 years ago after being in the organisation for more than 20... Never looked back - why do people go back?
The Governing Body are good actors though. I can see right through it.
Clapping like seals at absolute nonsense 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Did you see the latest watching watchtower? Interesting about Mormons posting JW videos.
Will people see a merger in the near future? Hmmmm
I'd be surprised, since their doctrine are completely contradictory.
@jackijax505,
No, but I think Jehovah's Witnesses and Latter-day Saints are more similar than they think. JWs' doctrines are more in line with conservative expressions Evangelical Protestant Christianity. Mormonism has doctrines involving a heavenly pre-existence for all immortal souls, the belief in a plurality of deities, the belief that Yahweh (referred to as Elohim and Heavenly Father) was once a mortal man who had to earn his deity status, performing baptisms for deceased persons so that they have a chance at getting into the better place in the afterlife, the belief that humans can attain godhood in the afterlife, the belief that men should be married in religious marriage ceremonies to multiple women; secret rituals in temple buildings where you are assigned a new name that you must give to God in the afterlife etc.
Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness theology both hold to some theological concepts that pre-date their denominations' existence and their denominational theologies were also highly informed by the historical, political, social and cultural forces of the time period in which they emerged in 19th century America.
@@Cat_Woods,
I think the Mormons' theology is a bit more inventive, though Joseph Smith Jr. took a lot of inspiration from other sources. Charles Taze Russell was definitely influenced heavily by the Millerite-Adventist movement which many Jehovah's Witnesses don't seem to know much about. Evangelical Protestant Christianity as a movement that became popular in the 19th century, I believe, could also be considered as a possible significant influence. I sometimes wonder how, or even if Russell's previous background in Presbyterianism and Congregationalism -- extensions of the wider and more global Reformed Christian (Calvinist) movement -- had any sort of influence, however large or small, on early Bible Student-Jehovah's Witness theology or rituals? Could William Miller, the founder of the Millerite-Adventist movement, could his Baptist background and the Baptist movement's respective theology be considered as a possible indirect influence on the theological thought of the early International Bible Students denomination that somehow could have made its way into the Millerite movement and helped shape the beliefs of those Adventist movement clergy whom Russell came into contact with?
JW theology is almost kind of bland. The lack of more esoteric and mystical ideas outside of numerology used to apply Biblical prophecy as referring to modern events makes it more boring.
Wait, why are people going back because of WHICH updates??
Jehova : I really loves beards Let’s have beards but no blood transfusions for dying children and adults
As for the stories about former members who've been removed from their congregations returning to the faith, many of them probably don't believe in Witness teachings but want to retain a relationship with their JW family and friends. Many are probably those whom we could call POMI (physically out, mentally in); basically, they still believe in JW doctrines despite their excommunication and may not have questioned their beliefs all that much. That wouldn't be surprising at all. I have little doubt that Watch Tower society's shunning policy has had a difficult impact on Witnesses' emotional and psychological health.
To see a Governing Body member get emotional, Gage Fleegle Schpiegel in particular -- where is your emotion for those Witnesses who rejected having a blood transfusion and who might have died because of that? Where are your tears for all those closeted, repressed LGBT Witnesses who feel that they're eternally damned to annihilation regardless of whether or not they ever decide to express their sexuality or gender identity who believe that God doesn't love or care for them at all and that they're "better off" killing themselves in this life? Did you all forget that Stephen Lett's own nephew killed himself because he wasn't able to find a way to reconcile both his sexual orientation as a gay man and his newfound atheism with his past experiences in the Jehovah's Witness faith? Where are your tears for those victims of child molestation within your denomination who feel like their congregations and the Society have let them down by not doing more to help bring their assaulter to justice? Where are your tears for those apostates or doubting members who felt they could no longer bear to be alive after they've been told they have lost their eternal salvation, have lost or risked losing their religious community and support network and who had lost or risked losing their relationships with their family and friends?
I guess it's nice that Witnesses are acting in less robotic, formulaic ways in the new videos instead of having everything be scripted. Most of us know that most JWs don't talk in that robotic, scripted way in their private lives. That Maria Dill woman, it's a bit disturbing how she goes up to a man, was it at an airport, who is morning the loss of a loved one and she immediately starts asking him, "Who died?" and starts with the proselytizing. Maybe she means well, but that's still kind of rude and predatory. Then you have the lady who told a, what was it a cashier? Asked her about her fingernails being painted with certain colors which indicate that she supports anti-domestic violence efforts. The JW woman then starts telling her about her Church's advice on how to deal with this issue -- basically, you need to be a more devout Jehovah's Witness and that'll somehow magically inspire your spouse to stop being an asshole to you.
The number of Memorial partakers goes up, well, no problem...Jehovah will just reassign your position in the afterlife. Before that, they said Witnesses who did that were either mistaken due to previous religious beliefs making them feel as if they had special status with God if they're a convert, the others were mentally ill, apparently. God, my head hurts...
Why are all angels white? And white beards? Why not black or Chinese? Or women? Makes no sense.
Three minutes in and several references to bearded attendees - the irony - have followers really gone from it's not allowed to actively encouraged and then joke about it?
I understand your thoughts on domestic violence iro divorce not being 'allowed' . I have seen some leave their partner for this very reason and later be able to get a divorce because the other person then went on to give them that reason ie they committed fornication/adultery. And honestly a person in that situation should not be rushing into a new marriage having come out of that kind of marriage anyway IMO. But I absolutely see your point of course.
They are becoming more liberal as time goes bye ... firstly with dress and grooming now with reduced age restrictions for responsible positions in there congregations and loosening the grip on those that are disfellowshipped ... more mainstream less spiritual..
Are they all going to be growing their grey beards now? Weird.
The irony that they literally had to give EVERYONE permission just so they could do it themselves. Pretty easy to read.
Very weird😂
@@Eric_01 Mark Sanderson's ultimate power trip, "Hmmm, I think a beard would really suit me."🤣 It's a shame Stephen Letts didn't go for one, he may have looked less like a bloodhound chewing a toffee.
Stephen Lett does not look well.
Did he ever?
Weren’t the teachings that the most recently deceased would be resurrected first? The bible characters later?
Young people stay away. Protect your spiritual space, get an education (develop your talents and skills), learn to manage your money, and enjoy your life.
Crikey doesn't Stephen Lett look old?
Yes yes yes!!! What is with all the laughing???!!!! With Geoffrey Jackson? Is it a nervous laugh? But yeah it’s like the curtain has been pulled back and they are still like I can’t believe these people haven’t noticed yet.