Jewelers have used this type of technology for decades, as there are very few options hot enough for platinum work. It was pretty common to bubble it through isopropyl alcohol for a mildly reducing flame, and as an added bonus the bubble chamber serves as a flashback arrestor.
@@gurglejug627 This was called a "water torch" and the output of the electrolysis cell (the hydrogen and oxygen gas) was bubbled through the bottle of alcohol. Without some similar setup the entire machine could have had an explosive event, and the corrosive liquid inside the electrolysis cell could be spread all over the shop and the jeweler, which was not recommended. Typically the torch used between an 18 gauge and a 22 gauge needle, depending upon the gas output and amount of heat needed.
@@r2db Hold Sir, there would needs be two totally seperate electrolysis Chambers- one for each electrolised gas. Which doesn't really address my argument - I'm not sure, but would reasonably assume a physical arrester would be present between the flame and each of the electrolysed gasses? (I know oxygen is a propellant and not a fuel per-se, but the slightest impurity or leak would render it dangerous)?!
@@gurglejug627 These devices are usually run with alternating current and one single chamber. There is no reason to add complexity by separating the gases, since they are recombined back into water seconds after the electrolysis. This is why it needs a flashback arrestor. Again, that has typically been a bottle of liquid. This is not new technology, it has been done this way for decades. It is just a lot less expensive now thanks to much cheaper manufacturing. What used to be a $2000 piece of equipment is now a few hundred dollars.
@@r2db thanks, I wasn't at all aware the gases were stored together. Having a flammable arrestor liquid close to a most highly explosive mixture of gasses doesn't sound like the best solution (pls forgive the pun) though if it works, it works... but is there really no other physical flashback arrestor/prevention in the machine?
Very nice bit of kit. I've done mig, tig, arc and gas (+brazing) as a trade but not lead welding. Looks simple enough and a bit of fun. The fact is lightweight is a bonus. Nice one Rodger.
I certified and everything in a w s e in 87, Never heard of led welding, The only thing I really know about lead. There's number one, it's toxic. A number two radiation cant passed through it
@@PandaJ The only thing that really replaced oxygen Acetalyne is a plasma cutter. But even then it never really replaced it I could see maybe in the future lasers. They already use some for certain things. They use water to cut a lot of big stuff now. But I don't ever see them getting rid of a acetalyne gas and oxygen
Hydrogen embrittlement was it's downfall 100 years ago. this is old forgotten technology being done in a modern way. And it's perfect for welding Lead@@PandaJ
I'm glad they found the principles. This was done in 2000 or so by a guy in Florida, and then the video disappeared. I jumped to the demonstrations, and did not see him put his hand in the flame. The guys in Florida cut across water, and into his hand and water pooled on the flesh, but no heat on the flesh, only heat on metal.
Did lead welding for years back in the 60's. We were told to clean all surfaces (including the filler rod) with a lead scraper to remove oxide prior to welding.
Hey Roger, I don't remember you've ever talked about airclearners/scrubbers. As a builder I've been thinking about this stuff as we set up new houses. I don't see any big channels talk about this
Great looking product. I will be very interested in using this technology for copper as an alternative to tig and for silver soldering small items. I like working with lead, this might encourage my creativity.
This video shows welding of lead. It uses water + electricity (and mineral's to make the electrolisis of the water easier) The water it turned into oxygen and hydrogen and the gas is then used to make a gas torch which can melt the lead. Its very novel idea if you are not wanting to carry gas. This is what we can also do to power things btw. If the electricity is zero carbon / renewable we can make "green hydrogen". And then use it as a high density energy source.
Don't think you touched on this but the flame colour is due to the lead that is being welded. Hydrogen flame by itself is colourless unless there are impurities in the combustion stream, either from the gas source itself or being pulled in from surroundings. There are old engineering guides of trying to detect a hydrogen flame due to a leak by walking around with a wooden broom - if it goes on fire, then you have found it!
This type of welding is good for small projects and very thin material it does not penetrate as well as a MIG or Tig but for lightweight stuff it's probably perfect with low heat. I wouldn't be using it on something that held my life in its hands though. I've been a welder my whole life, and I have to say this is really interesting I'm going to look into it and experiment a little bit.
@@SkillBuilder Well, what about soldering? Does it generate enough heat? Oh, I saw a guy in a jewelry store using one of these. I thought he was using a hydrogen tank. This is what it must have been. Is it hot enough for that?
Very interesting! I suspect it would be possible to make an attachment that injects argon or nitrogen or some inert gas almost parallel to the Hydrogen Oxygen jet so the inert gas is heated up to adequate temps by the H/O2 reaction, the resulting steam imparting its heat to the inert gas, so that could be used to weld steel too if you sometimes wanted to. While non steel welding would be its main function the accesory to do both would be neat
Oxy - hydrogen is not really good for welding steels, not so much because of hydrogen making the weld brittle rather because the products of combustion produce too much water. Acetylene is the choice of gas for welding because it contains far less hydrogen (90% carbon & 10% hydrogen by mass, approx rounded figures.) and so produces a much better stronger weld. For the welding of lead this machine would be fine, no problems as long as it can keep up with the required flowrate, depending on flame size. There is no conspiracy or anything being hidden about this. Having said that, oxy - hydrogen does have a good use, I personally use it for glass working with borosilicate glass for making laboratory glassware. Not from a hydrolysis machine though, mine comes from cylinders as I need a high flow rate that is not available yet from these smaller machines. There will also be problems with electrode corrosion inside the generator, these electrodes will probably be 316 stainless steel chosen for reasonable life and cost. The waste products from this corrosion could well contain hexavalent chromium salts and some people would make a big noise about that ending up in the drain waters.
I think “water powered” is a bit misleading, it’s an electricity powered hydrogen and oxygen generator, the hydrogen and oxygen are then reacted at the torch end to create the heat for the weld.
Prosess 1 Electricity splits the water to make Oxy/Hydrogen. Prosess 2 Converts this gas to make a flame designed to weld Lead. Powered by Electric, Water. The Prosess, You choose. But the fuel comes from H2O Water.
Looks like a brilliant bit of kit!!,total failure to say how much it is and where to get it from, I get the impression that it’s not currently for sale!, can’t find it anywhere online! And I mean nothing!, might have been better to say listen folks it’s not for sale yet, let’s say it is for sale somewhere somehow as long as it isn’t cripplingly expensive I bet there would have been loads of potential sales!!! Man I would have bought one!!! Felt like I was in the twilight zone with this review and boy oh boy did I get a giggle with all the thick people saying it’s soldering not welding!!! Brilliant 🤟🤟
With different settings this welder can be used as a therapy for respiratory and some neurological diseases such as Parkinson's and MS. NICE are currently reviewing it. It is more commonly called Brown's gas. Look it up!
So, if I understood it correctly, it could be used for welding any alloys that don't consist carbides in them and have low enough temperature of melting? Like brass, gold, etc.?
Close, In theory any non ferrous metal but it took 18 months to get it to weld lead. The heat is not the problem The top temperature is a tad under 5,000 degrees F. it will melt a Tungten rod.
Face and eye safety are alwYs a goox idea when working with materials thzt could melt them . Its a soot free flame so it lends to clean welds and is great for casting platinum. It has no added fart smell so its hard to detect leaks so its on demandness is a plus with that no big tanks having leaked out over the weekend just waiting for you to come flip on the light switch
Will this welder do well on lead free soldering applications such as with a lead free solder and copper mating mate??looks like that machine would be a good booster in efficiency as far as options when it comes to production and timing for that type of process compared to map gas or just propane torches and flux combines if it is an applicable option??
No the heat is too concentrated. It is hot but only in one tiny area and with copper and lead free solder you need a lower temperature over a larger surface.
Thanks and I did forget that is the main principal to successful sawtering so I know that you are 100% correct on that response.sprry to hear that though because that machine would have been great.i guess technique in time outweighs thought when you just know how to get in there and just solder,weld cut etc...but good surface area to heat info there for those perhaps curious about that process and how the shown equipment or likewise others in the process with lead apply the function.nothing like metallurgy huh??
It will solder and braze copper but no better then whats out there now. as Skillbuild said the flame is pinpoint focused on this. We are going to make a rosebud type torch to spread the flame. Stay tuned@@MathewBray-i7g
Any metal without Carbon is possible. Lead came about because I've been welding it for the last 40 years. Welding non ferrous is inherently hard that's why they are brazed/soldered for the most part.@@krashanb5767
So, if you eliminate the hydrogen and substitute acetylene you would have a torch that would not embrittle steel. You would just need to scale this up or store the oxygen and use it in bursts.
Oxy/hydrogen with jewelers torches is how lead welding is done already. I've made anodes for plating shops for over a decade this way. But to weld aluminum or other metals would be nice. I've always just used tig for those.
Looks like a useful piece of kit, but we're not all wet behind the ears lads - what are its usage parameters - can it be used for for silver soldering/brazing? What was that about aluminium (welding?)..?
@@SkillBuilder I saw that, and roughly speaking you're right there - but that's my point - I suspect this machine could do so much more, and in fairness, there was a reference to aluminium processing (sorry, but it was a bit vaguely presented in that respect) so I think my point is reasonable and am only hoping for the best for the product/process and am genuinely interested.
I think it has potential for other non-ferrous metals. The reason this is specific to lead is because I've been welding lead for over 40 years now and Acetylene is getting harder to get, and use. I have cracked some other processes using this but it's too early to say which. @@gurglejug627
Good point. Ions are not Iron. The water is split by its ions. Electrons and protons. Subatomic particles. The Iron is one of the many minerals in water. Basically You Remove the Iron from the water so the Ions can be separated. I know. Not confusing at all is it😱
De ionised water is just water with the dissolved impurities filtered out. The process is different to distillation so it isn't marketed as distilled water. The name also refers to the fact that those dissolved impurities will be in the state of being ions, IE molecules with an electron missing or an extra electron. Ask a school child..😉
De-ionised has the minerals removed Including the iron minerals. Distilled is the same but with the bacteria removed. Iron in any form can't be part of the process. Ions are subatomic particles, Electrons and Protons. Cations and Anions. Ask me.😎@@DrRogB
I had one of these 20 odd years ago, used it for polishing clear acrylic edges, the bubbler tank is filled with methyl ethyl ketone to clean the gas, torch had a hypodermic needle so flame tiny, sold it to a jewelry repairer, wonder if you could set up some sort of pulse shield to cover to flame so you don't have to keep pulling away. I have a tig welder with that function.
I'm not sure you fully understand why the bubbler was filled with what it was, distilled water would have cleaned the gas just as well.. however what you had in your bubbler added color to the flame making it easier to see. Some companies make specialized needles or torches for working with this gas and jewelry. I even worked with a company that made a torch head that had such tiny holes that the flame couldn't go back inside but the gas could freely flow out.. we also made a small burner using the same concept. Someday I hope to make a little camping stove that's powered by solar and a 12 volt battery but uses water and a little bit of electrolyte to cook food or heat whatever..
on shannon machines website it says 'The clean gas is produced by the machine through the combination of caustic solution, distilled water and M.E.K., which causes a very clean flame that is brought to the ideal polishing temperature.'@@EclecticLensYT
It is not soldering, it is lead welding or lead burning. You can't lead weld with a blow torch, the flame is no hot enough or concentrated. You can use two pack welding kits but the gas is an arm and a leg.
This is so bloody smart. It's like a small scale hydrogen generator for use with an auxiliary process. Great video, much appreciated. However, is this actually welding or is more like brazing/soldering (adhesion)? It appears from the tip-manipulation that there is very little actual fusion at the seam. Or maybe it is classed as welding for the properties of Lead. Anyway, for domestic works it looks good.
@@jay90374 the distance the touch came up to literally drip the filler material makes it appear otherwise. Anyway, it's all non structural... And lead. So a lot lower risk than steel and aluminium applications that I am used to.
Try looking up lead burning on Google! It is welding. The filler rod/stick is made of the same material as the metal being joined. It's lead. Both the filler and the sheet being joined are being melted and fused together. The filler is usually strips cut off from scraps or spare sheet as that you are joining. Trust me, I used to do it to make back gutters and front aprons to go around chimney stacks. It is NOT soldering or brazing. In addition to that, if it was soldering or brazing a flux would be involved.
leemajors You don't understand anything about this. That is code 8 lead he is cutting and you show me a lighter that does that. You can't even weld lead with a propane torch.
Just a matter of definition, this is soldering. The base metal is not melted so it's not technically considered welding. You're heating the base metal to attach the bonding agent (solder) but it's not actually welded. Big difference. Soldering and Brazing are similar and closer to what this system does.
The base metal is melted, you can see that clearly where the filler rod (same materials as the lead) is not used. Soldering and brazing requires a solder or silver solder and this doesn't. We use the filler rod for convenience but it is not a brazing rod or solder. This has been done for centuries and the term burning or welding is what it has always been called. Watch it more carefully
The correct term is autogenous lead welding meaning it comes from itself. Lead to Lead with or without a lead filler rod. Brazing uses a softer melted metal to join a parent metal that is not melted just heated. As is soldering
This is specifically aimed at lead burning for all the reasons explained. It is not a question of chosing lead, that is the job it is designed to do. Millions of roofs have leadwork on them.
Lead Burning/Welding comes from the old days when the only way for a sealed joint in Lead was a wiped joint using lead solder. Or by applying a flame (Burning). The correct terminology is, Autogenous Lead Welding, Autogenous meaning "it comes from itself, With or without a filler rod of the same metal. Brazing and soldering are different softer processes
That is not water welding nor is it powered by water. It's oxyhydrogen made by electricity. It's like saying one is welding with rocks or crude oil instead of oxyacetylene because acetylene is made from rocks or crude oil.
Wish plumbers would stick to soldering. I served my time in welding engineering and in my early years after, went on the tools in oil and gas and nuclear as that was where the dosh was. The amount of time I spent cutting out tacks and other snotty bits left by pipe fitters was staggering. If I caught them in the act something always kicked off. Leave it…😂
Hmm, it's a bit "snake oil" to call it a water powered welder, the power comes from the electricity supply. Also that no blowback balony sounds a bit dubious, water vapour in the lines?? as far as I can remember hydrogen and oxygen wont blow back in any case , whereas oxy acetylene can, due to the breakdown of the acetylene alone. But it is a nice convenient piece of kit for lugging up on a roof or where ever.
The electricity is used to make hydrogen from water. The welding is done with the hydrogen not the electricity. You can't weld lead with electricity, it has been tried.
@@SkillBuilder Thanks, yes I realise that the hydrogen and oxygen are doing the welding, but the power to create those gases comes from the electricity, not the water, which your title seems to imply. ATB
@@HydrOwelder5 In the real world it's actually a Hydrogen welder as you are using electrolysis to actually get the 'fuel' you need to then burn. You might as well call a steam engine a water engine as thats the 'fuel' used. A good little unit by all accounts except the 'name'
The correct term is autogenous lead welding meaning it comes from itself. Lead to Lead with or without a lead filler rod. Brazing uses a softer melted metal to join a parent metal that is not melted just heated. As is soldering@@josipdrazin6708
is it me that misunderstand it? I,'m not fom Barcelona, but Denmark..🤣 It is for welding lead?.. but, as far as I know, it's totally forbidden to use lead, dono about uk?
How much.My LPG car can’t get the lpg no more it’s a fad who do you go to for supplies.Looks spot by the way.Your juice is to high can you turn it down can you stove it in.
Soldering is just nonfusion welding, same as PVC pipe isn't glued it's welded! He is obviously melting the base metal here so you are completely wrong!🤡🤡🤡
@@SkillBuilder Used to do this the old fashioned way as a cable jointer of 30 years. Gas torch, a block of tallow (for use as flux), sticks of D metal (grade D solder) and a moleskin cloth for wiping. Bet I could still do it now. 😉
Stopped watching after he started talking about flashback arresters... It's a neat video but they totally make flashback arresters that work with this and what he says isn't exactly accurate. Heck they even make torch handles for these torches that have built-in flashback arresters in the handle.. This stuff can be incredibly dangerous especially if it's under pressure in a bubbler and should be used more cautiously than they show in this video. Have fun people, be safe!
@@SkillBuildernot true. The hose on oxy acetylene blow because it has nowhere to go when it reaches the flashbacks. It would go to the bottle and blow that otherwise. And those bottles are much thicker than the metal on this kit.
Jewelers have used this type of technology for decades, as there are very few options hot enough for platinum work. It was pretty common to bubble it through isopropyl alcohol for a mildly reducing flame, and as an added bonus the bubble chamber serves as a flashback arrestor.
What is the 'it'? And I'd love to use an alcohol to buffer a flash... honest!
@@gurglejug627 This was called a "water torch" and the output of the electrolysis cell (the hydrogen and oxygen gas) was bubbled through the bottle of alcohol. Without some similar setup the entire machine could have had an explosive event, and the corrosive liquid inside the electrolysis cell could be spread all over the shop and the jeweler, which was not recommended.
Typically the torch used between an 18 gauge and a 22 gauge needle, depending upon the gas output and amount of heat needed.
@@r2db Hold Sir, there would needs be two totally seperate electrolysis Chambers- one for each electrolised gas. Which doesn't really address my argument - I'm not sure, but would reasonably assume a physical arrester would be present between the flame and each of the electrolysed gasses? (I know oxygen is a propellant and not a fuel per-se, but the slightest impurity or leak would render it dangerous)?!
@@gurglejug627 These devices are usually run with alternating current and one single chamber. There is no reason to add complexity by separating the gases, since they are recombined back into water seconds after the electrolysis. This is why it needs a flashback arrestor. Again, that has typically been a bottle of liquid. This is not new technology, it has been done this way for decades. It is just a lot less expensive now thanks to much cheaper manufacturing. What used to be a $2000 piece of equipment is now a few hundred dollars.
@@r2db thanks, I wasn't at all aware the gases were stored together. Having a flammable arrestor liquid close to a most highly explosive mixture of gasses doesn't sound like the best solution (pls forgive the pun) though if it works, it works... but is there really no other physical flashback arrestor/prevention in the machine?
Very nice bit of kit.
I've done mig, tig, arc and gas (+brazing) as a trade but not lead welding. Looks simple enough and a bit of fun. The fact is lightweight is a bonus.
Nice one Rodger.
You right it is Fun
I certified and everything in a w s e in 87, Never heard of led welding, The only thing I really know about lead.
There's number one, it's toxic.
A number two radiation cant passed through it
Won't replace oxy/ace on cast iron or steel though will it?
Oxy/ace still has its place, interesting though!
@@PandaJ The only thing that really replaced oxygen Acetalyne is a plasma cutter. But even then it never really replaced it I could see maybe in the future lasers.
They already use some for certain things. They use water to cut a lot of big stuff now. But I don't ever see them getting rid of a acetalyne gas and oxygen
Hydrogen embrittlement was it's downfall 100 years ago. this is old forgotten technology being done in a modern way. And it's perfect for welding Lead@@PandaJ
I'm glad they found the principles. This was done in 2000 or so by a guy in Florida, and then the video disappeared. I jumped to the demonstrations, and did not see him put his hand in the flame. The guys in Florida cut across water, and into his hand and water pooled on the flesh, but no heat on the flesh, only heat on metal.
We will leave such antics to stunt men, we don't want people come after us for compensation because they tried that trick and failed.
Did lead welding for years back in the 60's. We were told to clean all surfaces (including the filler rod) with a lead scraper to remove oxide prior to welding.
yes the oxidisation has to be removed from the surfaces and the filler rod. That still applies with Hydrogen welding but the flame is a lot cleaner.
The gases are pure Hydrogen and pure Oxygen, The only residue is pure water. this tells in
the welds.
@HydrOwelder5 what's your website please
Skill Builder : Rplacing Tomorrow's World one video at a time.
Hey Roger, I don't remember you've ever talked about airclearners/scrubbers. As a builder I've been thinking about this stuff as we set up new houses. I don't see any big channels talk about this
Great looking product.
I will be very interested in using this technology for copper as an alternative to tig and for silver soldering small items.
I like working with lead, this might encourage my creativity.
This video shows welding of lead.
It uses water + electricity (and mineral's to make the electrolisis of the water easier)
The water it turned into oxygen and hydrogen and the gas is then used to make a gas torch which can melt the lead.
Its very novel idea if you are not wanting to carry gas.
This is what we can also do to power things btw.
If the electricity is zero carbon / renewable we can make "green hydrogen".
And then use it as a high density energy source.
What’s the energy efficiency ratio? As in how many kilowatts to produce 1 kilowatt of hydrogen?
@@adrianchetwynd1334it's bad. Like 2 -1. Still, makes excellent batteries with excess energy
As a Jeweller. I was introduced to hydrogen welding in 1980. Nice hot flame.
Very fine flame, great video, Roger.
You burn a hole at the end because the heat can dissipate forwards you need to go faster and quench with the filler
I’ve done a bit of lead soldering. This looks like a nice bit of kit.
This lead burning (welding), not soldering.
@@neilcrawford8303 thanks for enlightening me.
We used to have one of those at school many years ago.
Don't think you touched on this but the flame colour is due to the lead that is being welded. Hydrogen flame by itself is colourless unless there are impurities in the combustion stream, either from the gas source itself or being pulled in from surroundings. There are old engineering guides of trying to detect a hydrogen flame due to a leak by walking around with a wooden broom - if it goes on fire, then you have found it!
Colour of the flame is the same when it is away from lead😎
That was half a chemistry lesson.. awesome video
This type of welding is good for small projects and very thin material it does not penetrate as well as a MIG or Tig but for lightweight stuff it's probably perfect with low heat. I wouldn't be using it on something that held my life in its hands though. I've been a welder my whole life, and I have to say this is really interesting I'm going to look into it and experiment a little bit.
This is for welding lead, It is a specific tool for one job
@@SkillBuilder Well, what about soldering? Does it generate enough heat? Oh, I saw a guy in a jewelry store using one of these. I thought he was using a hydrogen tank. This is what it must have been. Is it hot enough for that?
Yes it is hot enough the flame is 2800 celsius.@@alext8828
*WATER POWERED WELDER!?!*
Now I’ve seen Everything!!!!
Watch this space. You've seen nothing yet
Very interesting! I suspect it would be possible to make an attachment that injects argon or nitrogen or some inert gas almost parallel to the Hydrogen Oxygen jet so the inert gas is heated up to adequate temps by the H/O2 reaction, the resulting steam imparting its heat to the inert gas, so that could be used to weld steel too if you sometimes wanted to. While non steel welding would be its main function the accesory to do both would be neat
Steel can be done, but you need to add an Hydrocarbon gas or vapour. I make the HydrOwelder to try to get away from Carbon gases
Oxy - hydrogen is not really good for welding steels, not so much because of hydrogen making the weld brittle rather because the products of combustion produce too much water. Acetylene is the choice of gas for welding because it contains far less hydrogen (90% carbon & 10% hydrogen by mass, approx rounded figures.) and so produces a much better stronger weld. For the welding of lead this machine would be fine, no problems as long as it can keep up with the required flowrate, depending on flame size. There is no conspiracy or anything being hidden about this. Having said that, oxy - hydrogen does have a good use, I personally use it for glass working with borosilicate glass for making laboratory glassware. Not from a hydrolysis machine though, mine comes from cylinders as I need a high flow rate that is not available yet from these smaller machines. There will also be problems with electrode corrosion inside the generator, these electrodes will probably be 316 stainless steel chosen for reasonable life and cost. The waste products from this corrosion could well contain hexavalent chromium salts and some people would make a big noise about that ending up in the drain waters.
What a fantastic piece of kit
Thanks Richard
I think “water powered” is a bit misleading, it’s an electricity powered hydrogen and oxygen generator, the hydrogen and oxygen are then reacted at the torch end to create the heat for the weld.
Water powered is exactly what it is. The electricity is not doing the welding.
ok, but the water won't power the welding torch without electricity, so water powered is misleading.
Prosess 1 Electricity splits the water to make Oxy/Hydrogen. Prosess 2 Converts this gas to make a flame
designed to weld Lead. Powered by Electric, Water. The Prosess, You choose. But the fuel comes from H2O
Water.
@@HydrOwelder5great, but who uses lead for welding these days? Except for special circumstances.
Actually half of Amsterdam uses lead pipes. Its a huge problem if something cracks.
this is amazing it won't be harmful in the eyes but yeah we should keep wearing protection 😊
Looks a bit hot for my low level of lead burning but would like to try it
The queens chamber of great pyramid has two domes in the celing that are vented out to be recombined later . One dome had cathode other dome was anode
Could not agree more. It has all the parts of an electroliser including sound. That's what we
are working on now
Something about putting your hand in the hands of the man who distills the water
Exactly like the water powered car and space ship 🛸
Looks like a brilliant bit of kit!!,total failure to say how much it is and where to get it from, I get the impression that it’s not currently for sale!, can’t find it anywhere online! And I mean nothing!, might have been better to say listen folks it’s not for sale yet, let’s say it is for sale somewhere somehow as long as it isn’t cripplingly expensive I bet there would have been loads of potential sales!!! Man I would have bought one!!! Felt like I was in the twilight zone with this review and boy oh boy did I get a giggle with all the thick people saying it’s soldering not welding!!! Brilliant 🤟🤟
That looks really good,
What are you soldering together? Lead plates
With different settings this welder can be used as a therapy for respiratory and some neurological diseases such as Parkinson's and MS. NICE are currently reviewing it. It is more commonly called Brown's gas. Look it up!
These are really big in jewelry making and science labs for glass blowing
So how do i get hold of one?
Wonder if you could use that on Sterling Silver 925 and 940 or Gold for small work, great piece of kit...
Silver and gold are very hard to weld but this process has been used to braze silver and gold for years'
You could use this method soldering plumbing pipes.
No
@@SkillBuilderdo tell... why not?
So, if I understood it correctly, it could be used for welding any alloys that don't consist carbides in them and have low enough temperature of melting? Like brass, gold, etc.?
Close, In theory any non ferrous metal but it took 18 months to get it to weld lead. The heat is not the problem
The top temperature is a tad under 5,000 degrees F. it will melt a Tungten rod.
Is any face or eye shielding required? How well does it work for out of position welding? It looks awesome. Thanks for showing us. 👍
Glasses are always a good idea. But it has never spit lead back at me. Think it's because of the low pressure.
Face and eye safety are alwYs a goox idea when working with materials thzt could melt them . Its a soot free flame so it lends to clean welds and is great for casting platinum. It has no added fart smell so its hard to detect leaks so its on demandness is a plus with that no big tanks having leaked out over the weekend just waiting for you to come flip on the light switch
Thanks Preston, Rare to find someont who understands the process.@@prestonsmith6087
Will this welder do well on lead free soldering applications such as with a lead free solder and copper mating mate??looks like that machine would be a good booster in efficiency as far as options when it comes to production and timing for that type of process compared to map gas or just propane torches and flux combines if it is an applicable option??
No the heat is too concentrated. It is hot but only in one tiny area and with copper and lead free solder you need a lower temperature over a larger surface.
Thanks and I did forget that is the main principal to successful sawtering so I know that you are 100% correct on that response.sprry to hear that though because that machine would have been great.i guess technique in time outweighs thought when you just know how to get in there and just solder,weld cut etc...but good surface area to heat info there for those perhaps curious about that process and how the shown equipment or likewise others in the process with lead apply the function.nothing like metallurgy huh??
It will solder and braze copper but no better then whats out there now. as Skillbuild said the flame is pinpoint focused on this.
We are going to make a rosebud type torch to spread the flame. Stay tuned@@MathewBray-i7g
The future of welding. Love it 👍
this comment suggests you don't understand the chemistry of welding
@@wotviewer And you don't understand the meaning of showing gratitude.
I've been welding lead for 15 years, I would be interested to give this a go, how much are they and where do you get them?
Amazing skills 👏🏽👏🏽🧱👍🏽
great bit of kit
Can this weld metals other than steel? Copper and its alloys? Aluminum?
It doesn't weld steel for the reasons explained in the video
@@SkillBuilder I know. Didn't fraze it well. What about other metals?
Any metal without Carbon is possible. Lead came about because I've been welding it
for the last 40 years. Welding non ferrous is inherently hard that's why they
are brazed/soldered for the most part.@@krashanb5767
Yes, stated in other responses, but this product is optimised for lead..
So, if you eliminate the hydrogen and substitute acetylene you would have a torch that would not embrittle steel. You would just need to scale this up or store the oxygen and use it in bursts.
What's idrogen.
Not sure why this video came into my feed, I have never done or needed to do any lead soldering. Not sure how many applications in the US there are
Oxy/hydrogen with jewelers torches is how lead welding is done already. I've made anodes for plating shops for over a decade this way. But to weld aluminum or other metals would be nice. I've always just used tig for those.
What Hydrogen are we talking?
Looks like a useful piece of kit, but we're not all wet behind the ears lads - what are its usage parameters - can it be used for for silver soldering/brazing? What was that about aluminium (welding?)..?
It was clearly stated in the video that this is for lead welding. I am sorry if you missed that while you were busy drying your ears.
@@SkillBuilder I saw that, and roughly speaking you're right there - but that's my point - I suspect this machine could do so much more, and in fairness, there was a reference to aluminium processing (sorry, but it was a bit vaguely presented in that respect) so I think my point is reasonable and am only hoping for the best for the product/process and am genuinely interested.
I think it has potential for other non-ferrous metals. The reason this is specific to lead is
because I've been welding lead for over 40 years now and Acetylene is getting harder
to get, and use. I have cracked some other processes using this but it's too early to
say which.
@@gurglejug627
I saw this welding machine I want to buy items from which country you're boss. 😊
Do you have a link to a recommended piece of kit? I'm dying to play with it
We will add the website link next week but right now you can contact Ken Quinton on his Facebook page.
Is that Kenny Quinton from Stanstead Abbotts?
De-ionised water - the iron taken out of it?
Good point. Ions are not Iron. The water is split by its ions. Electrons and protons. Subatomic particles.
The Iron is one of the many minerals in water. Basically You Remove the Iron from the water so the Ions
can be separated. I know. Not confusing at all is it😱
De ionised water is just water with the dissolved impurities filtered out. The process is different to distillation so it isn't marketed as distilled water.
The name also refers to the fact that those dissolved impurities will be in the state of being ions, IE molecules with an electron missing or an extra electron.
Ask a school child..😉
De-ionised has the minerals removed Including the iron minerals. Distilled is the same but with the bacteria removed. Iron in any form can't be part of the process. Ions are subatomic particles, Electrons and Protons. Cations and Anions. Ask me.😎@@DrRogB
I had one of these 20 odd years ago, used it for polishing clear acrylic edges, the bubbler tank is filled with methyl ethyl ketone to clean the gas, torch had a hypodermic needle so flame tiny, sold it to a jewelry repairer, wonder if you could set up some sort of pulse shield to cover to flame so you don't have to keep pulling away. I have a tig welder with that function.
The rhythm of pulling away is the pulse. MEK is toxic and a banned substance
I'm not sure you fully understand why the bubbler was filled with what it was, distilled water would have cleaned the gas just as well.. however what you had in your bubbler added color to the flame making it easier to see.
Some companies make specialized needles or torches for working with this gas and jewelry.
I even worked with a company that made a torch head that had such tiny holes that the flame couldn't go back inside but the gas could freely flow out.. we also made a small burner using the same concept. Someday I hope to make a little camping stove that's powered by solar and a 12 volt battery but uses water and a little bit of electrolyte to cook food or heat whatever..
on shannon machines website it says 'The clean gas is produced by the machine through the combination of caustic solution, distilled water and M.E.K., which causes a very clean flame that is brought to the ideal polishing temperature.'@@EclecticLensYT
MEK is a very dangerous liquid and is banned.@@lestercranmer2631
Great😊
Looks more like soldering Rodger. Correct me if I'm wrong though. The cutting is great though
Perhaps a gas blowtorch would be cheaper ??
It is not soldering, it is lead welding or lead burning. You can't lead weld with a blow torch, the flame is no hot enough or concentrated. You can use two pack welding kits but the gas is an arm and a leg.
It is actual welding because you are melting the base metal. If you were using lead to join any other metal, then it would be soldering.
@@SkillBuilder Many thanks Roger.and Harry
This is so bloody smart. It's like a small scale hydrogen generator for use with an auxiliary process. Great video, much appreciated. However, is this actually welding or is more like brazing/soldering (adhesion)? It appears from the tip-manipulation that there is very little actual fusion at the seam. Or maybe it is classed as welding for the properties of Lead. Anyway, for domestic works it looks good.
He was obviously melting the parent metal (lead) and using a matching filler rod so yes, this is fusion welding!
@@jay90374 the distance the touch came up to literally drip the filler material makes it appear otherwise. Anyway, it's all non structural... And lead. So a lot lower risk than steel and aluminium applications that I am used to.
We should have tried to pull it apart. It is welded good and proper
Try looking up lead burning on Google!
It is welding. The filler rod/stick is made of the same material as the metal being joined. It's lead. Both the filler and the sheet being joined are being melted and fused together. The filler is usually strips cut off from scraps or spare sheet as that you are joining. Trust me, I used to do it to make back gutters and front aprons to go around chimney stacks.
It is NOT soldering or brazing.
In addition to that, if it was soldering or brazing a flux would be involved.
@@neilcrawford8303cheers that's great. The soldering and brazing was suggesting adhesion instead of fusion.
All good stuff!
Interestingly enough, this tech was being used during the second World War in the aircraft fabrication industry.
haha i skipped forward and was like "what on earth is this witch craft, it's melting that steel like butter!?"
Its lead.. Can melt lead with a lighter so nothing special here just an over engineered gas torch
its lead
leemajors
You don't understand anything about this. That is code 8 lead he is cutting and you show me a lighter that does that.
You can't even weld lead with a propane torch.
How's it work on aluminum?
Aluminium is a tough nut to crack even with conventional methods. But I'm confident it will happen
Price please???
I would consider this for melting metal that are too deep for a plasma torch such as cotterpins in steering systems
It won't do it
Hello I want to know more about your hydrogen welding machine. Please let me know how can I contact you.
Just a matter of definition, this is soldering. The base metal is not melted so it's not technically considered welding. You're heating the base metal to attach the bonding agent (solder) but it's not actually welded. Big difference. Soldering and Brazing are similar and closer to what this system does.
The base metal is melted, you can see that clearly where the filler rod (same materials as the lead) is not used. Soldering and brazing requires a solder or silver solder and this doesn't. We use the filler rod for convenience but it is not a brazing rod or solder. This has been done for centuries and the term burning or welding is what it has always been called. Watch it more carefully
The correct term is autogenous lead welding meaning it comes from itself. Lead to Lead with or
without a lead filler rod. Brazing uses a softer melted metal to join a parent metal that is not melted just heated. As is soldering
@@HydrOwelder5not necessarily softer, just a 'third party' material
How can you weld wih wa uh
Just like TIG
Give us link to buy iamm from sauth African
Dont subs use elctrolasis & salt water to provide oxygen?
Yes
Pretty sure ive seen people use a similar set up to power cars this way until the misteriously died and vanished lol
Impossible to find the price no website no shop ?
The website is under construction.
Very limited applications I noticed that's why the demonstrator choice lead!
This is specifically aimed at lead burning for all the reasons explained. It is not a question of chosing lead, that is the job it is designed to do. Millions of roofs have leadwork on them.
the same tec can power internal combustion engines.
Yeh, the bloke disappeared 👀
@@gdfggggg which one?
@dantronics1682 there's more than one? 👀
JCB are investing in that technology. Not particularly practical though especially trying to store the stuff.
@@adrianchetwynd1334 it already exists, it generates plasma though , not gas.
cool
do they have a website,i cant seem to find one
It is under construction. Hopefully it will be up and running by next week.
so this is for lead not steel , dont think it would melt steel
3:30 Yeap exactly what he said.
its use by gold smiths
Did you watch the video?
It would melt steel easily, but it causes unique disadvantage, because it make it brittle. Steel after welding with will shatter like a glass.
Lead Burning/Welding comes from the old days when the only way for a sealed joint in Lead was a wiped joint using lead solder. Or by
applying a flame (Burning). The correct terminology is, Autogenous Lead Welding, Autogenous meaning "it comes from itself,
With or without a filler rod of the same metal. Brazing and soldering are different softer processes
The fuel is uses is electricity.
The electricity is used to make the fuel which is hydrogen. Same as a hydrogen fuel cell.
a hydrogen fuel cell uses hydrogen to make electricity (and water as a waste product) so its the opposite process.
@@Walt_G It's an electric gas generator.
That is not water welding nor is it powered by water. It's oxyhydrogen made by electricity. It's like saying one is welding with rocks or crude oil instead of oxyacetylene because acetylene is made from rocks or crude oil.
Brazing, mig is probably the better choice.
Mig is not a good choice for lead
Essentially its Browns gas, do not use with aluminium though 🤔
Wish plumbers would stick to soldering. I served my time in welding engineering and in my early years after, went on the tools in oil and gas and nuclear as that was where the dosh was. The amount of time I spent cutting out tacks and other snotty bits left by pipe fitters was staggering. If I caught them in the act something always kicked off. Leave it…😂
Not a plumber 52 years a roofing leadworker.
@@HydrOwelder5 wasn’t meaning you Ken. 😜
Hmm, it's a bit "snake oil" to call it a water powered welder, the power comes from the electricity supply. Also that no blowback balony sounds a bit dubious, water vapour in the lines?? as far as I can remember hydrogen and oxygen wont blow back in any case , whereas oxy acetylene can, due to the breakdown of the acetylene alone. But it is a nice convenient piece of kit for lugging up on a roof or where ever.
The electricity is used to make hydrogen from water. The welding is done with the hydrogen not the electricity. You can't weld lead with electricity, it has been tried.
@@SkillBuilder Thanks, yes I realise that the hydrogen and oxygen are doing the welding, but the power to create those gases comes from the electricity, not the water, which your title seems to imply. ATB
@@johnhaydon4055 two Processes but the fuel is from the water
@@HydrOwelder5 In the real world it's actually a Hydrogen welder as you are using electrolysis to actually get the 'fuel' you need to then burn. You might as well call a steam engine a water engine as thats the 'fuel' used. A good little unit by all accounts except the 'name'
Yeah I rather drag around a tank than a machine the needs an electrical outlet
He's basically just soldering....
not even close
You are so wrong. Check out leadburning, there is a world of difference.
That's soldering
No it isn't. Where is the solder?
@@SkillBuilder I mean it looks like you're hard soldering but I am not sure.
The correct term is autogenous lead welding meaning it comes from itself. Lead to Lead with or
without a lead filler rod. Brazing uses a softer melted metal to join a parent metal that is not melted just heated. As is soldering@@josipdrazin6708
Just what's needed with lead gutter making, a whole collection of caustic chemicals lol
This is all wonderful but cionizam is more important and couse of it maybe no tomorrow's.. ?
is it me that misunderstand it? I,'m not fom Barcelona, but Denmark..🤣
It is for welding lead?.. but, as far as I know, it's totally forbidden to use lead, dono about uk?
We still use lead for roof flashings
And you can run your old carburettor car on the gas!
Yes you can but you would need a long extension lead LOL😃
It can be used on the Moon .
Wear gloves
That's braising not welding
in that case I've been erning money doing lead (BRAZING) for the last 45 years. It's autogenous lead welding.
How much.My LPG car can’t get the lpg no more it’s a fad who do you go to for supplies.Looks spot by the way.Your juice is to high can you turn it down can you stove it in.
There is nothing to buy but water and drain cleaner and you don't need much of either. Supplies will never be a problem
@@SkillBuilder how much for the start up equipment and how do you lower the heat,proper TIG welder e is
I wish these boys would learn English. I can understand Roger but Ken is losin' me. I got my CC workin' overtime.
A joke? its ion not iron
It's both. Ions as in the process of electrolysis. and Iron as in the mineral Taken out of the water.
Ya but all you can “weld” is lead ! Lol
That is the job.
@@SkillBuilder ya I get it
Don't drink cranberry juice around some goon
its not welding its soldering!
it is but people think its steel lol
No it's welding. Soldering is dissimilar metals the solder having a lower melting point.
Soldering is just nonfusion welding, same as PVC pipe isn't glued it's welded! He is obviously melting the base metal here so you are completely wrong!🤡🤡🤡
It is not soldering. There is a difference. It was always called lead burning and goes way back to the Romans.
@@SkillBuilder Used to do this the old fashioned way as a cable jointer of 30 years. Gas torch, a block of tallow (for use as flux), sticks of D metal (grade D solder) and a moleskin cloth for wiping. Bet I could still do it now. 😉
Need to learn and speak English😂
Could you teach us please? You seem to have the hang of it.
Stopped watching after he started talking about flashback arresters...
It's a neat video but they totally make flashback arresters that work with this and what he says isn't exactly accurate. Heck they even make torch handles for these torches that have built-in flashback arresters in the handle..
This stuff can be incredibly dangerous especially if it's under pressure in a bubbler and should be used more cautiously than they show in this video.
Have fun people, be safe!
It isn't under pressure and can you please verify your claim by providing a link to the flashback arrestors.
@@SkillBuilder also, if it wasn't under pressure there would be nothing coming out of your torch to light in the first place.
There is pressure and there is pressure. The rubber hose would blow off before anything else. Let's keep it real.
@@SkillBuildernot true. The hose on oxy acetylene blow because it has nowhere to go when it reaches the flashbacks. It would go to the bottle and blow that otherwise. And those bottles are much thicker than the metal on this kit.
How much is this?😊
SAME AS CHINESE PRODUCT