1999 MCI D-Series Bus 35 Mph Frontal Crash Test
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- A full-overlap frontal crash test of a 1999 MCI D-series bus, this test analyzes the potential of injuries using two different types of seats as well as the mounting location of the seats. The two types of seats that are tested are standard Euro-style seats and SafeGuard Premier seats. The bus weighs 44,250 lbs (20072 kg), traveling into a solid wall at 34.7 Mph (55.84 Km/h).
Kinetic Energy: 1.8 million ft/lbs.
Dummy reading limits based upon 5th percentile female occupants. 50th and 95th percentile occupants have slightly higher thresholds for Chest Deflection (63 mm) and Femur Loads (10005 N).
Dummy Readings
Window Seat - Aisle Seat
Row 4 - Euro-style Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 172 - 1065** (High HIC recorded during contact with overhead bin)
Nij (Max 1.0) ND - 0.48
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) 11 - 21
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 1619/1817 - 5043/3696
Row 5 - Euro-style Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 345 - 86
Nij (Max 1.0) 0.42 - 0.51
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) ND - 13
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 1450/1850 - 230/427
Row 6 - Euro-style Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 346 - 1486**
Nij (Max 1.0) 0.30 - 0.86
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) 10 - 6
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 2842/2662 - 1567/964
Row 8 - SafeGuard Premier Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 29 - 28
Nij (Max 1.0) 0.16 - ND
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) 8 - 7
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 636/436 - 278/415
Row 9 - SafeGuard Premier Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 27 - 20
Nij (Max 1.0) 0.11 - 0.31
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) 7 - 9
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 1657/1170 - 305/324
Row 10 - SafeGuard Premier Seats
HIC (Max 1000) 117 - 159
Nij (Max 1.0) ND - 0.69
Chest Deflection (mm - Max 52) 5 - 3
Femur Loads (L/R - N - Max 6850) 2500/1437 - 1430/1372
Row 11 - SafeGuard Premier Seats
HIC (Max 700) 17 - ND
Row 12 - SafeGuard Premier Seats
HIC (Max 700) 30
**Exceeds FMVSS 208 Limits.
ND - No Data. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
As a bus driver, i can tell you the way you stay safe in a crash like this is you don't crash the bus.
This is one of the reasons why truck drivers in the US weren't super fond of cabovers - you get a great firsthand look and feel at whatever you crash into....ya know, before you get crushed. I definitely wouldn't want to be in a wreck in a bus, that's for certain.
I know you give yourself more room. And also a way out from an accident in front of you. That's a great driver.
It's not up to you all the time. Some other vehicle causes you to lose control. Maybe a tire failure at the same time that the road is very curved and you slide off. Black ice. Heart attack. Defective gas pedal. Passengers distract the driver. Or they start a fight on the bus.
@@ram89572and here i thought cabovers stopped being a thing over there cause they cost more to make and maintain
Not like that Altima driver in the opposing lane will give you a choice...
I think that was one of the most violent impacts I’ve ever seen. Yet, that was just 35 mph…
Just???? This is why Americans are stupid, that’s almost 60kmh that’s enough velocity and speed to flatten a regular car….
well it was meant to simulate hitting an equally heavy bus going 35, so it would be much worse than a real scenario
Damn, here in indonesia buss driver are Cruising on 100km/h (60Mph)
I really feel so sorry for Emergency personnel who have to retrieve the injured and deceased from this type of accident . Can you imagine the driver and first 4 rows of occupants .
I was thinking the exact same thing!
That's why they didn't put any dummies there, no point since there's no chance for survival
That's why its just dummies
@@BluegrassFilmsKYthey did out them in there
They really needed to put a driver dummy there. While I agree that doesn't seem survivable, it's data... and important data.@@BluegrassFilmsKY
These BeamNG videos are getting really good.
This is real life
@@Connorplayer123 no shit
I actually crashed the Wentward bus for fun not long ago and I was surprised how tough it is, it definitely didn't deform as violently as this one did for sure!
@@Connorplayer123bro had to ruin the fun
i believe the wentward is a newer model unless I am mistaken@@Wasmachineman
Seemingly out of nowhere, a sales rep walks up. “As you can clearly see, the luggage bays still open smoothly.”
😂
*Slaps wreckage* You can fit so much in this baby!
" I'd like to speak to you about upgrading your protection in the event of an accident. You were at $1M a year cov we'd like to increase that to $5M but please be advised, we still will never pay out but we should, granted."
I drive older MCI's. Until now, I have just hopped in and gotten them where they need to go, and am generally happy with MCI's. However, I am fkng speachless right now.
May your further journeys be safe :)
Quit.
I just love how everyone clapped at the end
To be fair the D series has been very successful.
They were happy that the bus hit the wall and stopped, rather than missing and ending up going through their offices and into the car park.
@@CycolacFanyea, it must have taken a lot of hard work to get every detail right for the test to work properly. So they were happy when it worked as they expected.
Driver in buses is the crumple zone….. ouch.
I have driven this year of bus and even if you are hitting a pickup truck or moose can trap you behind the wheel. Newer buses are better than older busses in this respect, but there is only so much you can do when slowing 18 tonnes to 0. Greyhound Canada had a plaque on one of there buses in memorial to a driver that was pinned in a burning bus from a suicidal driver in an oncoming pickup truck. Managed to direct passengers to safety despite this.
Imagine you have the job to recover the bodyparts of the driver, put the totally disrupted body in a coffin and tell his wife and kids that daddy is not very handsome anymore, and it is not reccomendable to open the coffin...
Now I know why they didn't put a driver mannequin up front. Result is academic
Shop vac required for cleaning
Instant death, for sure...
Bus driver tried his best to stay awake, but eventually he just hit a wall.
it's Remote control
As a bus driver, this was both poignant and funny. 😂
@@ernestofabiarios2623Thank you so much Mr. Obvious. Every one here believed so hard that crash test are made out on real scenarios
youre not just ruining the joke, youre plain wrong. they don't have remote control to the bus, instead the bus is pulled by a cable/track system until the desired speed is reached and then it is disengaged.@@ernestofabiarios2623
Hard to believe this is a 35 mph accident. Nothing but deaths and injuries out of this.
Inertia is high
The weight of the back starts to crush it
Thats hitting a solid object, cars and most buildings even would absorb a lot of the impact making it a less severe crash unless they hit a heavy concrete wall.
@@taylorsopko5807 Plenty of these accidents done with cars at 40mph and it's not bad at all.
@@PyroShields I meant the bus hitting a car wouldn't be bad, for the bus lol.
Wow! I would of never expected to see such a catastrophic impact from an impact at 35 mph, I mean damage forsure but if this were full of actual people and it ran into like a highway overpass wall at just 40-45 mph easily could of killed 6-8 people possibly more and dozens of serious injuries. I don’t think anyone whether belted or seated in the back would have been able to escape being injured in some way
The bus weighs 20 tonnes, was going at 35mph, and crashed into a completely solid wall. That's more less the equivalent of the bus hitting front-to-front another bus going at the same speed with the same weight.
In real life, such a scenario would not be common, but naturally with plenty of trucks and buses out there it could occur.
*would HAVE never
8:45 watch the whole video bro.
See the Greyhound bus crash details, Fresno California from July 2010. Six people died, including the driver. That bus had similar impact damage from a highway speed collision with an overturned SUV.
this is not at all comparable. Not in the slightest. What's seen here is literally 2 buses colliding frontal with both at 35mph.
An SUV is not even close to the same weight.
@@whytebearconcepts
Was wondering why they didn't put a dummy in the drivers seat, then realized it would probably be obliterated
Maybe they couldn’t find one dumb enough to do it
Same. I think it is worthwhile to see driver's area.
I have been at the scene of an accident where a double deck bus hit a bridge at around 100 km/h. It wasn't full frontal, but impact was enough to cause absolute chaos. As i was passing by driving my own bus, i happened to be the first at the scene and i immediately started calling emergency services and tried to remember my first aid lessons the best i could. I was so focused i never even heard all the equipment arriving at the scene and after three hours , in which my bus was used to shelter the passengers from the crashed bus, i continued for the rest of the 450km i still had to drive that day. I saw stuff that still haunts me. Wear those seatbelts people. Please.
I do agree, 1 issue. busses in the netherlands dont come with them. Luckily I dont use public transport anymore so I can now safely travel in my car which does have one ofc.
@@Lynnfield3440until a bus runs in your car from behind or the side. Highly unlikely, but not impossible ... sadly
@@Kinsanth_ bro's really simping for bus companies to not have basic safety features that cost nothing, yet do so much...
@@Lynnfield3440 i know, still, those companies try to costcut in any way possible just to get the highest profit. Unfortunately at the cost of lives, if it goes down with a crash. 35mph isnt fast i guess around 55-60 kph but the whole inertia from all that mass is the problem
@@Kinsanth_ 35mph with no seat belt is incredibly fast, especially once you hit the windows, go through them land on who knows what, or just bash your head on all those iron bars everywhere on the bus.
Even 50kmh with no seat belt is very fast as the crumple zone is your bones, or your skull stuff like that.
Now accidents only happen occasionally, but is that a reason to ignore safety all to get her, because accidents rarely happen? (not saying you are saying that last part, but a lot of people do say/ think like that).
And the worst part is that travelling by bus isn't even cheap, at times way more expensive that with car and they take about 5 times-6 times longer too. What is a 5 minute ride in a car is a 30 minute drive with the bus costing you like 10 bucks by now probably. When I still used it it was around 5-6 bucks, and that was about 6 years ago when everything was massively cheaper.
I want to see that again with a 2022 coach bus. That doesn't look good for 1999.
I hate to break it to you, but I drove motorcoach and worked on them for years. They’re all going to fare as poorly.
I own buses like these new and old. The new ones are basically just the old buses but with different panels, and more cheap garbage in them. There are some other small changes as well, but the old ones are way better. The new bus computers break, and all my new buses don’t work properly, but the old ones do.
@@ross5323I drive them and public transportation myself and regardless you're fucked
I always keep that in my mind when driving them
And that was only 35mph. I can see why at highway speeds some of these buses have a lot of injuries and fatality.
Deshalb sitze ich möglichst mittig im Bus mit der Tendenz nach hinten.
The storm of glass shards is very scary. Most of looks like the coach didn’t have toughened glass windows.
But also it's beatiful to watch
It's tempered glass, so there are no shards but only small cubes of glass.
Then you scary cat
Unless you run into a bridge support or some other solid structure, this type of damage is unlikely, usually the bus is the more solid that whatever it runs into.
I didn't expect it to survive with this rather good shape, with all the seats staying in place. Impressive.
Haha. What a piece of crap bus
Wow, talk about extreme incentive for the driver NOT TO CRASH the bus!!!
2 thoughts: Wow, this is cool! And i never knew the dummies had underwear on. Not sure how i feel about the logistical side of that.
Only a real dummy would get caught not wearing any.
Why no hole or pole...unisex is dummy friendly.
I guess that it gives more realistic movement in a crash to put clothes on like people usually wear them...
No more driver if in doubt
Steps for driver, 1 take off seat belt, 2 run towards back of bus, 3 live
and that's why you SHOULD ALWAYS wear safety belt when you are rolling into a seat that it has mounted on something on wheels. remember: safety first! always !
Near the front, at least, I don't think it would even come close to making a difference in this case.
However, yes people, WEAR YOUR SEATBELTS.
I'd say if there were an incident like that the bus driver will look like a puddle of tomato soup in the cabin😢
The NOLA Mother's Day crash in 1999 killed 23 when the bus went off the road and hit an embankment. An MCI rep said this was worst frontal impact they had ever seen and bus was probably going close to 70 mph at impact.
And that was the same model.bus as this crash test bus
"how was work honey"
"It was ok, we only smashed a bus today :/"
Avilenino24 is missing something really important here. 1) the D model is based on structure designs dating back to the 60's. It was outdated when the C (its near predecessor) arrived in the late 80's. 2) This test is also on a 20 or more year old bus with a lot of fatigue and corrosion. Steel in the front spare tire and suspension area as well as the sash pillars is a real problem on these old girls. You can hide it with paint but not when you do this.
When they were new they stood up pretty well as I had one come in from a light head on with a car to be checked and repaired (light meaning each going 30 or so mph ) (the door and other parts of the car were in the baggage bin - it didn't fare well) but we measured it out and it had sprung back, checked welds etc. even the energy absorbing bumper was Okay - the only damage was a cracked windshield from the flex and we readjusted the latch for the front bumper (the bumper folds down to access the spare tire). It wouldn't do that 20 years later. Age and structural maintenance is a huge issue and one that makes crashes way worse than they could have been, but it it overlooked and very expensive when it is done.
The other thing to note is the C's, D's and DL's etc. have been pretty much superseded. The E, F, G and J models that are of entirely new design (1998 I think) and construction of these is completely of stainless steel. They don't degrade over time, they also show almost zero fatigue even when 15 years old. A quantum leap over the C's and "Ds. From my experience of crash resistance the E-J's are the best busses built today and they stand up the same if they are one or 20 years old. You mention Prevost and Setra and these busses are not great either, you never want to roll a Prevost H model - terrible. These manufacturers still use a lot of steel (cost cutting) which In my opinion is not a good choice for a vehicle on the road for 20 or 25 years and so many miles. I guess what I need to say is when you get on a 10 or the 20 plus year old bus in the test it doesn't matter what safety standard it passed back years ago. it's what is under your seat now that is more important.
Me - I spent 12 years running a body shop specializing in highway coaches and over 20 in that profession.
Driver: "so, where is the crumple zone?"
Manufacturer: " *youre sitting on it* "
Отличный обзор краш- теста автобуса!
They could make a telescopic frontal crash-zone. On board on a ferry, or driving very low-speed in narrow city streets, it could be withdrawn, saving space. Higher speed driving on country roads, it could be extended fully, giving a calculated controlled deceleration in case of an accident.
Maybe more like the crash zone that functions like an airbag, although a decision needs to be made when to deploy it. That could also mean it needs a breakaway lighting system marking the airbag zone. We don't want to increase crashes by being a bigger target. It can risk pedestrians.
Ja genau. So wie ein Schneeräumschild, oder einen Kuhfänger wie an einer Westernlokomotive.😂😂😂😂😂 Viele Grüsse aus Germany
I cant even imagine how many accidents id be getting into with the hot shots trynna cut 2 inches infront of me not seeing that device you just described.
Highway maintenance crews have a large truck that follows behind them that has a huge deceleration “bumper” to absorb impact and protect the workers in front of the truck.
Insane for just 35mph. Now imagine a crash when the driver falls asleep and drives off the highway at 70mph
Definitely want to be a crash tester when I grow up
Same bro, i love watching crash tests
hell you could of been a crash test dummy because they used cadavers in the first ever crash tests
The initial internship as a crash test dummy is pretty hard, I've heard.
In July of 2010 a Greyhound bus collided with an overturned SUV in Fresno, California, that killed 6 people, including the 3 in the SUV. It was caused by the driver of the SUV. an intoxicated minor, striking the center divider and rolling her vehicle. Two minutes later the MCI bus struck the SUV, careened off the side of an exit ramp and flipped in its side, killing 3 occupants of the bus, including the driver. Seeing pictures of the bus from the news reports it had similar damage to this one, maybe a little less impact but the collision was at highway speed and not against an immovable object.
Bearing in mind that this may have been a youth but still a you struggling with alcoholism, I think in our society we have done everyone engraved to service by not man dating by law that every person having any problems with ongoing alcohol abuse, gets reported and is mandated to go into a program.
O ônibus do crashtest tem quase 25 anos, fico curioso para saber a evolução estrutural dos ônibus atuais em situação semelhante. Imagino que as barras metálicas que caíram sobre a cabeça dos passageiros não deve colapsar hoje em dia. Da mesma forma, a chuva de partículas do teto deve ser bem menor, espero.
Now I know what a compact bus looks like.
Imagine if it was a bowling team and each had a bowling ball in the storage above their head. There will be many birds flying in the bus after the crash.
I hit a telephone pole at 35-40 mph, small overlapp pretty much right on the passenger headlight. Broke the telephone pole but I only had minor bruises from the seat belt.
Its astonishing the level of destruction in this accident from a similar speed
Most people vastly overestimate the speed in which they hit something or are hit so that's part of it.
Moral of story: sit in the middle area of the bus.
There's no way the driver and first or second row of people would live through this.
Thats a pretty cool video
Are there any head on crash tests of a full size coach bus vs for example a mid size car?
As a bus owner and a driver I know that there is no way to survive that
"cars are meant to crumple to save the driver from super high g-forces!"
meanwhile buses: i would rather have brain damage than death.
a 1mph crash in this bus is like someone hitting the front with a metal bat REALLY hard
I liked the test crash bus with car in testing around 60s because that camera put inside in the bus slow motion
The next time i get on a bus, if the seat belt is there, I'll use it.
It's actually the equivalent of a 70 mph hit. The wall us exerting the exact same force.
Yes the wall is exerting equal opposite force but only one of the items were moving. That would be more energy out than in. How would you describe it if two rigid busses each travelling 35mph toward each other crashed? Still 70mph equivalent? If so then something doesnt add up. Cant hit something stationary and double the speed, but also hit something going equal and opposite and still only add their speeds, right?
Cant be a wall at 35 = 70, while at the same time a two busses at 35 still = 70.
@@MattH-wg7ou I'll try it first thing tomorrow morning.
Have to think tho this is a crash into a solid unmovable object, which don’t get me wrong could happen but it’s very unlikely. a normal crash for a bus would be between it and another vehicle most likely a small car, so in that case these buses are a lot safer than you think.
Yes, it is a problem when running into a wall . Do they have other videos that show other crashes ?
I would like to see other models from all manufacturers not just one company !
I use to drive the counter flow in the Battery and Lincoln Tunnels for NYCTA for years, glad no head- on's in the tunnels.
They don’t even bother putting a dummie in the driver’s seat because obviously he’s a goner.
A sitbelt is important!
Would be nice to have a link to the actual test report, that would make these really good
nrd-static.nhtsa.dot.gov/reports/vehdb/v00000/v06900/v06934R001.pdf
funny how the wheel smashes into the driver just to make sure he's dead
Well, I can take being a bus driver off my list of possible occupations.
Crazy how your choice of seat could be the difference between life and death
Reminder to set towards the middle of a bus.
Imagine this but in a 1970's third world bus with a barely maintained body crashing at a lower speed, the result would probably be the same.
Самый главный элемент безопасности автобуса это адекватный водитель. Его голова должна быть "впереди" автобуса, его же не зря за руль посадили с удостоверением D. Довольный работой и зарплатой.
Well...things still happen unfortunately..
The fact that airbags and seatbelts arent mandated on buses, school or public, is scary af
Seatbelts are mandated, airbags would be useless...
5:03 The Crash Dummies over reacted a little bit, its just a fender bender.
Only Keano Reeves could save the bus!
Precisely why I hated driving motorcoaches. Went back to freight. I got six feet of axle, engine, and transmission to take the blow, not just my coffee cup, Garmin satnav, and six inches of fibreglass.
Great job interior camera operator.
I’m just wondering why the little child is all by themselves in row 12
Its like the scene from killer bean but instead of the shelf getting wrecked its the vehicle
How many bus drivers had died in the past and present years because of the front end of this buses. Rather it's MCI or New flyer or Prevost. The front end should be better designed with reinforced like the flat face school buses.
When buses crash, it's higher up than many other vehicles. It's better not to crash in the first place.
Some suggestions include installing collision avoidance systems, and blind-spot cameras, upgrading turn signals to function as daytime running lights, and putting front side-marker lights as close to the front as possible.
When vehicles are more visible, it improves reaction times. The sooner one brakes, the slower the collision speed should it happen, which makes a difference. The savings from avoiding fender benders would likely make it worth the cost of certain upgrades. Avoiding out-of-pocket hospital bills would mean saving tens of thousands of dollars.
Do flat nose school buses fair any better in the same test?
Doesn't matter what you crash in, with 15+ tons behind you, you're all done now!!!
@@thewiseguy3529 true, but I don't think this applies to buses. The weight is evenly distributed throughout the bus, so it's not really 15+ tons behind you.
@@User-jr7vf think again but you're absolutely wrong. You can go look at all the bus crash tests online they're everywhere. Nobody is surviving a bus crash. We all know how the driver fares. It's the same in every bus. Even Prevost.
Never thought to think of the frame bending up and sending people flying.
Buses have never been more than tube frames and sheet metal. Spam in a can basically.
Well you can definitely say goodbye to the bus driver…
I feel like they should've had a dummy driver like in a regular car crash test. Would've loved to see how that thing ended up
Did the dummies got snapped?
This means that everyone one meter behind the front axle has a poor chance of survival, basically none.
That's it, from now on I'm only driving in concrete blocks! 🧱
Put your seatbelt on !
Slim survivability for the passengers that are slung down the passage way in the middle...
Another reason for this is if a buss flipps over in accident, then pepople in the upp part fall down on the lower side ,
Possible hitting the "lower row" passenger in the process.
the seat belt may also save you from exiting the buss thru the lower windows and then get flattened between the side of the buss and the ground .
This is only around 60 km/h. Most of buses max speed on highway is 100 km/h. I can't imagine the consequences in case of crash without breaking.
My god only 35ph.
Force = Mass X Velocity. The math is scary on large vehicles.
Not gonna lie, that was WAAAYY worse than i expected
First - don't get into an accident. Second - if you are going to get into one, hope you are wearing a seatbelt.
This happend in real life with a belgian bus who came from Sierre driving to Belgium with a bus full of students….
F, I hope they atleast use seatbelts there. in the netherlands the public transport busses dont use them, atleast none I have been on. and I had the missfortune to use them for a pretty long time.
@@Lynnfield3440 seatbelts ar obligatory in tourist cars, not in public transport because there is to much in and out. The most of the people travel short distances, and that is why is not usefull. And also, in tourist cars, you need to sit down, in public transport you can stand up, and so is a seatbelt not used.
@@janvdb5098 RIP then, still dont get why its not required by law there either. its such a small thing that does so much for you.
Crazy how much glass was flying around in there.
Whats lessons the Bus Manufactures learning with this crash test? Any updated in engineering? I would watch a crash test with Setra and Marcopolo buses
The description says they are looking at the seat styles.
The way they are mounted.
So the safest place to seat is somewhere in the middle, cause if the bus gets rear ended by 18 wheeler at the same speed, that might be the last ride for u as well.
Buses don't have very long crumple zones because they have the engine in the back. They should make the fronts of buses far bigger to preven susch an outcome.
Passengers in rows 1 to 8 were wearing seatbelts and despite that were either killed or severely injured with shrapnel and glass
I don't think shrapnel or glass could kill one in this type of crash.
no, they cant. that isnt how tempered glass cubes work. If that bus had glass like the windows on your house, yes, everyone would be killed or bleed. however, that glass needs a lot of force to even cut someone.
Well, that’s not what I expected.
Amazing carnage in passenger section from detaching interior components and storm of broken glsss. Everyone catch the infant in child seat at 13.58 probably killed by a panel striking its head
Wonder what twice the speed would look like.
4 seating rows will be damaged with more flying particles
There would nothing left resembling a bus or a passenger. If that much damage happened at 35 mph, at 70 mph the force of impact would be quadrupled!
This looks like a plane crash not a 35 mph crash. Wow.
I should crash test my bus, I made a RTS Coach a while ago on the Roblox.
Sooooo what's the biggest penalty for screwing up in your job?
I wish them a great holiday.
All the mass (engine, transmission, axles) pushing from the rear...
If you were driving a bus and hit a wall doing over 45mph.....I wonder what would be the first thing to go through you're head?
the bus driver dies and just gets a round of claps
betting this passed to !!!
Gonna watch motor homes next !!
That should be fun !!
3:38 Massive crash, all dummies died, and everyone is clapping 💀 RIP dummies
How do you even recover a wreck of that size? No way you're pulling it along or loading it on the back of a recovery truck.
I would rather be in the back seat than the front
If they had kept it above 50, none of this would have happened
I see why we was told to go sit in the back of the bus wayyy safer
I'd ask what about 60mph or 100kph, but it would be a disaster.
So the bus was rejected from mass production right? I mean it failed the test is what it looks like
I hope everyone was ok