Imagine that. When you spend more time being an internet activist than you do developing your software, the quality of your software suffers... who'd have thunk it?
I installed it quite a few years ago. It was supposed to be something a friend could work on. I had to get the wifi working multiple times because Elementary would forget the settings every time the laptop was shut down. Thinking about it now, I should have just stuck Mint on it.
This is the first time seeing your channel, and I like what I see. I've tried Elementary a few times over the years & after watching your video, I thought I should try it again, just to see what all the fuss was about. After downloading & verifying the .iso, I wrote it to my Ventoy memory stick & booted it. First time around, after selecting keyboard/language, etc., I was presented with 3 options: LiveUSB, WipeEntireDisk, and Advanced/Custom ... I chose Custom and a new dialog appearing saying Analyzing current config, or similar. That dialog immediately disappeared, then absolutely NOTHING, just the blurred wallpaper. After a while, I rebooted and tried LiveUSB this time, which I prefer anyway so I can run Gparted myself & get oriented before running Installer manually. Once desktop appeared, I ran Gparted, formatted the partition I was willing to sacrifice, then ran the installer. Again, I chose Custom, and was immediately logged out, only to have to go through the exact same rigmarole as the first time 'round. Okay, that's it ... I do have patience, but what I do NOT have is TOLERANCE for shite distros/software that fail straight out of the box. How could anyone expect to trust that their daily driver is going to be reliable/stable if it can't even be installed without having to jump through hoops? Anyway, enough ranting ... I gave it a go so that I could be reliably informed (on top of what I learned through your insightful video), enough to actually be able to contribute to the discussion. As well as the poor install experience, I found the UI to be laughable, as you demonstated ... for instance, having the Font Size slider in that main menu seems ridiculous to me. In my experience, that's something I would change ONCE (if at all) thus it could be hidden away in Settings. The entire exercise seemed like a total waste of space, but I had to give it a go! Thanks for the great content. It has definitely earned a sub ... I'll look forward to your next one =)
problems i found when using pantheon desktop in Ubuntu: 1*. theme & icons must using default one, otherwise themes will look broken in some GTK3 apps including GNOME Terminal (I don't like using their default apps) & missing icons in some places. 2. when using gnome console (that primitive terminal emulator), the window cannot be closed until logout. 3. most apps (.desktop in /usr/share/applications) are hidden in Pantheon & it must be modified to make it appear (for example, GNOME Terminal). 4. why GNOME Web, Document Viewer, file-roller, Capnet Assist & font viewer uses flatpak versions? it causes lot of issues for me when using APT. it takes so long due of installing flatpaks. * this issue is present way back to version 5.1 & they will not fix it.
Oof just read that Elementary OS 8 is super buggy since a bunch of other people are having the same issues so your not the only one there Just makes me wonder if they didn't test it long enough to iron out all of the bugs hoping that the developers can fix this
Elementary is much too limiting for me. For me Ubuntu already is too limiting on its own because the repositories lose packages every year, including essential packages, because Canonical removes the packages when it considers the Snap good enough, their standard of good enough vastly differs from mine. Elementary itself puts extra limitations on top of that. On itself that is not neccesarily a problem, limiting options to make it easy for a user to figure out how to use the DE can help some users under some conditions. But are the conditions such that those users are actually helped by it? Maybe other users, for me it is just limiting.
@@Winnetou17 Where I live most people never had an Apple-PC. I can count the number of times that I used an Apple-PC on the fingers of mytwo hands, not including my thumbs: a few times because a mate had an Apple-laptop (he was like "try this out, it is great") and 1 time I used an Apple all in one myself, that one runs the FreeBSD-based macOS. It is foreign to me: there is a key on the keyboard which functions like the ctrl-key but it is much further to the right, there is a mismatch between the program its menu and some Apple-menu and you seem to miss a lot of usual hotkeys (to immediately go to another program instead of using the mouse) and windowsnapping behavior. I might have missed features but it striked me as being designed with the intention of having few features and being 'easy' for novice users.
My biggest issues with Haiku OS is the lack of software right now with things like the lack of a truly standout web browser, and proper hardware drivers for things like GPU's, but I do think it has a lot of promise if these can be worked out over time, and if they can I'd love to run it on some of the older aging Lenovo Thinkpads in my collection given how efficient it is.
On top of all these questionable decisions, this distro doesn't have a valid reason to exist. If you want a good, stable Ubuntu based distro, use something like Linux Mint or Zorin.
According to the Lunduke Journal, Elementary OS is way too DEI woke. Its a no go for me based that alone. I support distros based on technical merit not ideology.
If this is the direction Wayland is moving Linux, count me as very unimpressed. I use Deb files because I trust them. If I have driver issues, I figure out that Mint installed the flatpak version. All the pop-ups for permissions would get old quick. I guess part of first run is to set all permissions to on. Why am I blocking permissions from my word processor? I guess on a workstation, corporate IT would like all the clamps, but on the personal PC it is a nuisance. But, since it probably wouldn't install on my non-standard e5 based system, I'll stay with Mint and hope it takes a really long time to drop X
Not buying that "classic session" and "secure session" nonsense, but hey. It's good to keep it "layman's terms." I just don't want permission management to get in my way even in CachyOS. I am security-savvy and the permission system in Linux is just overkill for me. Of course, it may not be overkill for users who get their computers infected left and right.
I'm seriously thinking that I'll have to abandon this OS on my Dell XPS. There's no "upgrade path"...and with all the customization and tweaks?....yeah...I'm thinking I might switch to OpenSuSE KDE Edition. While I realize its only a few people?...an upgrade path?...some script or command that would allow someone to go from ElementaryOS 7 to ElementaryOS 8 somehow CAN'T be done? (And no....before y'all come at me with "Why Don't YOU Do It?"... I'M NOT A CODER....THAT'S why!...) But I give them much props,....they came along and created something that is phenomenal!! I will give it until like...March / April / May of '25?....to see if they come up with an upgrade path that doesn't require a full re-install, if not?...then these next few coming months?....could be the last this system sees my hardware.
You couldn't pay me to touch this distro with a barge pole with all the issues it has, and all the issues with it's devs, so just a suggestion Tom to please stop covering this trash distro for such low view counts, and wasting your time, and our time!!! ✌
@@Winnetou17That's because he already has talked about the developer drama calling for harm, and death to certain groups that don't fall into their twisted ideology. So no I'm not exaggerating, I'm just saying it like I see it, as I don't see this distro being around too much longer if even Tom can't get it to instal on real hardware.
@@Winnetou17 I agree. And what Lunduke said is just rude & totally disrespectful and kept referring the creator Danielle by her Wrong name!! Maybe she would benefit from more help & Devs but considering it's the output of virtually one person of course there will be some bugs! 🐛 Perhaps he should put his Red hat back on and find some manners when doing such ultra right vlogs! 😠😤😡
Same, I always have issues with it, and just end up keeping a couple USB keys clipped to my EDC laptop bag with my 2 most used distros on them I've written with Etcher being Manjaro Gnome, and Solus Budgie, & another key encrypted for data backup.
Idk what problems you were having.... But I just installed it on Qemu, in like 5 minutes, and it boots to desktop no problem. Maybe your ISO is corrupt? Not that I wanted to install this trash, but I was just curious. Have a nice day!
I noticed (Daah) that we make up a list of how we feel about a certain object/thing that changes over time even if the object stays the same. I know it's off-subject, but, I am curious how do you feel about Laws ?? (how do you use this tool in a general manner?!) Because recently I decided to treat a Law as a Guide first, and means for approval second. (* considering no law is added by accident, and some where written in __ *) I ask you because, I don't see ppl on youtube use the Law as a Guide, only as a defense/attack mechanism to personal intentions. well, except this show, in which we see the connection between the law and company related conflicts (I really appreciate it btw, thanks :).
It's complete Trash rc 2 works some what better It still is Trash i had to work that i can install it and install My flatpaks then it got far wors it is a unstable mess
Imagine that. When you spend more time being an internet activist than you do developing your software, the quality of your software suffers... who'd have thunk it?
Plus by doing that kind of BS they drove others away from wanting to help with the distro, so I'm not surprised this distro is dying!!
“Elementary, my dear Watson”
It's a well-known distro, despite all the issues. I'm boring and have stuck with Mint for many years.
On the positive side an OS that will not install properly on hardware has the advantage that it is completely secure.
LOL 🤣
I installed it quite a few years ago. It was supposed to be something a friend could work on. I had to get the wifi working multiple times because Elementary would forget the settings every time the laptop was shut down. Thinking about it now, I should have just stuck Mint on it.
The devs are actually one person that pushes politics more than actually developing the distro. Pantheon is cool, but this distro is dead.
Agreed 100%, & as I said before I think it's a waste of Tom's time, and energy to even bother covering this POS any longer.
This is the first time seeing your channel, and I like what I see. I've tried Elementary a few times over the years & after watching your video, I thought I should try it again, just to see what all the fuss was about. After downloading & verifying the .iso, I wrote it to my Ventoy memory stick & booted it. First time around, after selecting keyboard/language, etc., I was presented with 3 options: LiveUSB, WipeEntireDisk, and Advanced/Custom ... I chose Custom and a new dialog appearing saying Analyzing current config, or similar. That dialog immediately disappeared, then absolutely NOTHING, just the blurred wallpaper. After a while, I rebooted and tried LiveUSB this time, which I prefer anyway so I can run Gparted myself & get oriented before running Installer manually. Once desktop appeared, I ran Gparted, formatted the partition I was willing to sacrifice, then ran the installer. Again, I chose Custom, and was immediately logged out, only to have to go through the exact same rigmarole as the first time 'round. Okay, that's it ... I do have patience, but what I do NOT have is TOLERANCE for shite distros/software that fail straight out of the box. How could anyone expect to trust that their daily driver is going to be reliable/stable if it can't even be installed without having to jump through hoops?
Anyway, enough ranting ... I gave it a go so that I could be reliably informed (on top of what I learned through your insightful video), enough to actually be able to contribute to the discussion. As well as the poor install experience, I found the UI to be laughable, as you demonstated ... for instance, having the Font Size slider in that main menu seems ridiculous to me. In my experience, that's something I would change ONCE (if at all) thus it could be hidden away in Settings. The entire exercise seemed like a total waste of space, but I had to give it a go!
Thanks for the great content. It has definitely earned a sub ... I'll look forward to your next one =)
A Distro for people feeling a transformation is coming ;)
problems i found when using pantheon desktop in Ubuntu:
1*. theme & icons must using default one, otherwise themes will look broken in some GTK3 apps including GNOME Terminal (I don't like using their default apps) & missing icons in some places.
2. when using gnome console (that primitive terminal emulator), the window cannot be closed until logout.
3. most apps (.desktop in /usr/share/applications) are hidden in Pantheon & it must be modified to make it appear (for example, GNOME Terminal).
4. why GNOME Web, Document Viewer, file-roller, Capnet Assist & font viewer uses flatpak versions? it causes lot of issues for me when using APT. it takes so long due of installing flatpaks.
* this issue is present way back to version 5.1 & they will not fix it.
Oof just read that Elementary OS 8 is super buggy since a bunch of other people are having the same issues so your not the only one there
Just makes me wonder if they didn't test it long enough to iron out all of the bugs hoping that the developers can fix this
Maybe it just does not identify as an operating system. Stop being a bigot 😂
I do think it will fix those decently quick (say, this week)
Sounds like it’s malware.
yeah and it is woke
already shows the all 'inclusive' priority over excellence .it will go the dodo
Elementary is much too limiting for me. For me Ubuntu already is too limiting on its own because the repositories lose packages every year, including essential packages, because Canonical removes the packages when it considers the Snap good enough, their standard of good enough vastly differs from mine. Elementary itself puts extra limitations on top of that. On itself that is not neccesarily a problem, limiting options to make it easy for a user to figure out how to use the DE can help some users under some conditions. But are the conditions such that those users are actually helped by it? Maybe other users, for me it is just limiting.
Of course it's limiting, it's mimicking MacOS. It's meant to be easy to use, decently intuitive, but barely customizable. Some like that.
@@Winnetou17 Where I live most people never had an Apple-PC. I can count the number of times that I used an Apple-PC on the fingers of mytwo hands, not including my thumbs: a few times because a mate had an Apple-laptop (he was like "try this out, it is great") and 1 time I used an Apple all in one myself, that one runs the FreeBSD-based macOS. It is foreign to me: there is a key on the keyboard which functions like the ctrl-key but it is much further to the right, there is a mismatch between the program its menu and some Apple-menu and you seem to miss a lot of usual hotkeys (to immediately go to another program instead of using the mouse) and windowsnapping behavior. I might have missed features but it striked me as being designed with the intention of having few features and being 'easy' for novice users.
Makes glad i dont run elementary os anymore, im considering going with haiku OS and freebsd next on a thin client.
My biggest issues with Haiku OS is the lack of software right now with things like the lack of a truly standout web browser, and proper hardware drivers for things like GPU's, but I do think it has a lot of promise if these can be worked out over time, and if they can I'd love to run it on some of the older aging Lenovo Thinkpads in my collection given how efficient it is.
I can only wish I could install HaikuOS on my crappy laptop with an eMMC drive.... A driver for "mmcblk" still doesn't seem to exist.
Deviancy took over at Elementary OS. It's no wonder it's a POS.
Agreed, and I can't see this one lasting too much longer if the main "DEI" dev can't even make a decent installer that works on bare metal hardware.
Xir is this for?
Nick was using this distro until recently. he now uses fedora nor tuxedo os (allegedly)
On top of all these questionable decisions, this distro doesn't have a valid reason to exist. If you want a good, stable Ubuntu based distro, use something like Linux Mint or Zorin.
According to the Lunduke Journal, Elementary OS is way too DEI woke. Its a no go for me based that alone. I support distros based on technical merit not ideology.
Touch grass. Everything is inherently political, ranging from the circumstances around your birth to this exact comment
@@dracostyx It's ironic that only chronically online people use the phrase "touch grass".
I don't mind if someone is doing "DEI" stuff, as long as the product simply works.
From what I know, Elementary doesn't sound like it simply works.
@@anonytuser711 you're replying to a TH-cam comment reply. Look in the mirror
And you can see the fruits of that DEI initiative right in the video.
If this is the direction Wayland is moving Linux, count me as very unimpressed. I use Deb files because I trust them. If I have driver issues, I figure out that Mint installed the flatpak version. All the pop-ups for permissions would get old quick. I guess part of first run is to set all permissions to on. Why am I blocking permissions from my word processor?
I guess on a workstation, corporate IT would like all the clamps, but on the personal PC it is a nuisance.
But, since it probably wouldn't install on my non-standard e5 based system, I'll stay with Mint and hope it takes a really long time to drop X
Not buying that "classic session" and "secure session" nonsense, but hey. It's good to keep it "layman's terms." I just don't want permission management to get in my way even in CachyOS.
I am security-savvy and the permission system in Linux is just overkill for me. Of course, it may not be overkill for users who get their computers infected left and right.
I'm seriously thinking that I'll have to abandon this OS on my Dell XPS. There's no "upgrade path"...and with all the customization and tweaks?....yeah...I'm thinking I might switch to OpenSuSE KDE Edition. While I realize its only a few people?...an upgrade path?...some script or command that would allow someone to go from ElementaryOS 7 to ElementaryOS 8 somehow CAN'T be done? (And no....before y'all come at me with "Why Don't YOU Do It?"...
I'M NOT A CODER....THAT'S why!...)
But I give them much props,....they came along and created something that is phenomenal!! I will give it until like...March / April / May of '25?....to see if they come up with an upgrade path that doesn't require a full re-install, if not?...then these next few coming months?....could be the last this system sees my hardware.
The Pantheon desktop is beautiful, but the package management is terrible.
I thought I was the only one having that issue.
Sounds like they need to mark it as unstable alpha !!! my fav is mint anyway
You couldn't pay me to touch this distro with a barge pole with all the issues it has, and all the issues with it's devs, so just a suggestion Tom to please stop covering this trash distro for such low view counts, and wasting your time, and our time!!! ✌
Elementary OS got Lunduke'd basically, heh. I just installed CachyOS yesterday and runs fine; so easy to install.
You're exagerating. Tom totally should review these kind of distros. And I appreciate he didn't go into the developer drama here.
@@Winnetou17That's because he already has talked about the developer drama calling for harm, and death to certain groups that don't fall into their twisted ideology. So no I'm not exaggerating, I'm just saying it like I see it, as I don't see this distro being around too much longer if even Tom can't get it to instal on real hardware.
@@Winnetou17 I agree. And what Lunduke said is just rude & totally disrespectful and kept referring the creator Danielle by her Wrong name!!
Maybe she would benefit from more help & Devs but considering it's the output of virtually one person of course there will be some bugs! 🐛
Perhaps he should put his Red hat back on and find some manners when doing such ultra right vlogs! 😠😤😡
They had a team of people until DEI split up the team
Yet people are still clowning ubuntu
Ventoy never works for me. It's costing me more than I like.
Same, I always have issues with it, and just end up keeping a couple USB keys clipped to my EDC laptop bag with my 2 most used distros on them I've written with Etcher being Manjaro Gnome, and Solus Budgie, & another key encrypted for data backup.
secure boot still a issue with ventoy.
Idk what problems you were having.... But I just installed it on Qemu, in like 5 minutes, and it boots to desktop no problem. Maybe your ISO is corrupt?
Not that I wanted to install this trash, but I was just curious. Have a nice day!
No, ISO is properly verified and it did install on the VMs without issue. I was just having issues with real hardware.
Well the wallpapers are nice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trash Distro and you have to pay to use it 😢
set $0. it still be downloadable freely. you just don't know the tricks.
joke website for a joke distro lmao you can set to zero but the placement of that payment section is so damn explicit lmao
I noticed (Daah) that we make up a list of how we feel about a certain object/thing that changes over time even if the object stays the same.
I know it's off-subject, but,
I am curious how do you feel about Laws ??
(how do you use this tool in a general manner?!)
Because recently I decided to treat a Law
as a Guide first,
and means for approval second.
(* considering no law is added by accident, and some where written in __ *)
I ask you because, I don't see ppl on youtube use the Law as a Guide, only as a defense/attack mechanism to personal intentions. well, except this show, in which we see the connection between the law and company related conflicts (I really appreciate it btw, thanks :).
Meh...I'll pass.
It's complete Trash rc 2 works some what better
It still is Trash i had to work that i can install it and install
My flatpaks then it got far wors it is a unstable mess