No way! Lenovo IdeaCentre Mini 5i
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
- In our Lenovo IdeaCentre Mini 5i review, we see how Lenovo quite literally flipped a ThinkCentre and made it less serviceable for "good" looks. Still, it is a great value.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:40 External Hardware Overview
04:21 Internal Hardware Overview
10:12 IdeaCentre vs. ThinkCentre
11:32 Performance and Power Consumption
13:17 Pricing Comparison
16:40 Windows 11 Pro Included
17:11 Wrap-up - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Many years ago I purchased a Mac Mini that was _way_ harder to service than this LeNovo boxen. When the hdd drive died, the “genius” at the Mac shop quoted $200 plus the cost of the replacement drive which was twice what I’d pay for the identical drive from my supplier. I didn’t have the proprietary Apple tool to open the case, but a paint scraper worked really well. I replaced the dead drive with one twice the size and much cheaper than the same Hitachi drive from Apple. It took me all of 20 minutes even though I’d never done it before. So, I figure I paid myself north of $10/minute for the work.
7 screws for full access on a consumer product isn't really bad at all, and considering you know that that hardware inside is the same milspec quality as in a Tiny, this is a pretty good value.
True but I guess my point was more of why make it harder?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo , to justify 'consumer grade' perhaps. "Pay more to get less hassle" powered by Lenovo :D
@@ServeTheHomeVideo consumers are assumed to be less capable of "not breaking it", which isn't completely wrong
And most home consumers do not fix the PCs themselves, the ones I know anyway. Thye have no clue, even for a memory upgrade.
Still better than the iMac Mini.
New to your channel and loving your content so far!
Thanks Tony! I appreciate it.
The reason they flipped the motherboard over and made a case just to make it "consumer-grade" is they sell a monitors that the Tiny slots into to make an all-in-one type device (Tiny-in-One). This way they can have the exact same port layout and use the same motherboard to build the thing, but still force you to pay more if you want to use it with one of their business-grade monitors
The cynical viewpoint passes the smell test; you're probably right.
The case is certainly cheaper for them to manufacture as well I'm sure. But the difference in form factor is certainly so it is incompatible with the Think mounts, monitors, etc.
Flipped chassis are the bane of USB-A orientation, same problem on the AsRock 4x4BOX systems. Amusingly the RJ-45 ends up the right orientation (pins on top to avoid dust settling) because they use a flipped connector and that detail has largely been lost to the ages regardless.
Thank you for explaining the difference. I love that fact how you break it down side by side. You make my buying decision way more easier. Keep up the GREAT WORK!!!
Great review. I prefer the tower so I can continue upgrading and expanding. Keep up the great content!
I'd be interested in seeing decibel levels from the two devices. I bet the plastic and cloth dampens vibration and fan noise better than metal.
With that fabric and plastic my very first thought was "how to make a business pc into a fire hazard".
i love that you explained the tiny mini micro… because even though i was watching the series, the specific branding went over my head!
Just assume the way I name things is the least creative way possible :-)
I've seen almost all of the episodes but probably wouldn't have noticed either.
Great video, very informative !!!
I actually really like the fabric/canvas style. Would definitely prefer that in a home office setting.
The company I work for has recently swapped over to Lenovo Think Centres. Very corporate ready devices. They don't take up any space at all and yet, seem quite capable.
Nice video clip to watch, keep it up, thank you :)
Thanks! We will try.
This is very clearly meant to go in consumer facing scenarios. ex: back of a monitor or even on the side of it. It looks better on a receptionist desk for example plus there's no wifi antennas sticking out thanks to the plastic top.
I personally think they could've done much worse
Thanks for the fun video!
I think it kinda goes with new Lenovo design language, that's recycled plastic (greyish with different particles in) and that fabric with silver Lenovo logo... I think that's their way to go for consumer sustanability... ??
Exactly! And it is pretty disgusting that they added materials to make it look recycled. It's "green washing" at it's worst: make a product less reusable by making it harder to maintain, add materials that aren't needed, and then market it s environmentally sustainable.
It's funny, but also a little evil.
I just realised something: fabric covered home/consumer electronics are probably one of those era-defining design things much like silver/curves/bubble shapes was in the late 90s/early 00s. All this stuff is probably going to look really distinctively 2020s :)
Most certainly these will be relics of an era.
90 watts? That's POE territory. The best scenario I see for these things may be as a thin client to get extremely high frame rates with Teradici PCoIP Ultra which, if I'm not wrong, you can't do with a regular thin client.
Seeing this system make me want to build a FrankenBook with, maybe, ThinkPad T400/R400 chasis, love to see those socketed CPU even tho is only support T series CPU.
Thanks, I hate it. Now all the ports are upside down. I hate Flipped USB-A ports.
Still cant beat the M75Q gen2 that i got with 4750GE for only $488, or as i configured it, $530 with an extra USB-C port, larger PSU, and WiFi+BT module
Upset there hasnt been a 5850GE update, and that the prices have been terrible after i bought it, often 2x the price for the 4650GE
the fabric top is so that you can use your computer like a coaster.
That is a wise insight. I never thought of that!
You should've made this a 59-second short video. "The Lenovo IdeaCentre Mini 5i is just a Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny, flipped upside-down and stuffed inside a gray plastic shell. Buy the ThinkCentre Tiny instead." Done and done.
2 minutes ago!
Gotta love these mini computers, I need to pick one up for our office at the data center.
Easy to service, got an i3-10100 one for $460 with 3 year warranty. Replaced 1TB HDD with an $20 256GB SSD. Will look to order more our office users.
Sold out right now :( this would be perfect for a set top box for me imo.
if they had at least put cutouts into the plastic and left off the metal bit with the 3 screws, then it would still look nice enough but contribute a bit to cooling of the components on that side.
9:08: and you can just pop that little latch *jumpcut* :)
Surely the most notable feature is the industrial carpet on the top?
TBH i'm upset Intel isnt making an i5 variant that is 2 performance cores and 16-24 efficiency cores instead of 6P+4E(same functional die area). I was REALLY hoping to get 26 cores in this form factor at only 35w
the fabric does make it more appealing for the media PC in the living room (HTPC) croud.
5:04 oh yeah, showing those sick gains. Flex those muscles
It looks similar to an Apple Mac Mini with one overwhelming difference, they don’t natively run MacOS. The OS and the apps make or break the experience.
Awww yea he’s back with 1L machines!
Have the M90q Tiny Gen2 from Black Friday as well!
new to your channel. What's the deal with all the trussing?
I hate tripods
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Me too. That's some expensive tripods. LOL! Looks like 2" standard Global Truss? GLOBAL TRUSS ARCH SYSTEM 10FT WIDE X 8FT HIGH ARCHWAY. I have smaller goal post GT when I was light programming in real time.
do you over heat? do you have a heat sink hooked up to your body?
I can't understand why they would add a fabric cover and not perforate the metal underneath to marginally improve air flow
Oh, trust me, I have no issues with my screwdriver being too thick.
So, you are saying, that you have to have a tiny bit to srew it? MY TIME HAS FINALLY COME! :-D
I prefer the "normal" black systems as well,but I can see this version has a much bigger WAF factor if you want to have it in the office corner of the livingroom.
(WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor)
I think this is what they were thinking.
The metal one is for businesses and it wouldn't sell as well if it were hard to take apart. BUT this version is for consumers and I bet someone said "Lets put fabric on it like the Amazon and Google assistant speackers have on them and people will buy them." Then I can see someone saying "Yeah and we can make it harder to take apart because you know a lot of consumers are lazy so they'll see that they have to pull it apart and un-screw it, and they'll just say "fuck it."
The ole, we know what customers want because they have no clue
I've been servicing PC's for more than 20 years now. Most of that time professionally. I understand using bits in power tools, but in a screwdriver?!
That only makes sens in a very compact mobile setups (like my wife's Wera Kraftform Kompakt 11). When I know that I'll be doing any service work I'm taking real tools. Most of the time they are specifically suited to serviced devices.
A 4-in-1 screwdriver takes up much less room in a tool belt and fits pretty much all the fasteners used in enterprise-grade hardware. Consumer grade stuff like Macintosh and IdeaCentre hardware with Torx and recessed screws are a different matter.
This would be cool and all but until just recently you could get a EliteMini HM90 with 16 GB ram, 512GB SSD, and a Ryzen 9 4900H. while it has 4MB less cache, it has a higher base clock, higher boost at 4.4Ghz. And it also has 8 cores ,16 threads for only $40 more.
Nice computer gamer I can’t wait to use it
How fast is the fabric? Infinity? ;)
And beyond :-)
They just released a new Lenovo IdeaCentre Mini. It has an embedded power supply and all of the IO anyone could ever want, including Thunderbolt 4. It even has dual M.2 SSD slots! It looks like they dropped the HDD tray and replaced it with a PSU.
It includes a 16 thread i5-13500H for $535. It’s the best price I’ve seen for any mini PC.
They probably made it easier to open as well. It’s a selling point.
“With its built-in power supply, this mini desktop is compact and endlessly upgradable, featuring an easy-to-open chassis on the top and bottom lid so you can upgrade the memory chip or SSD with ease.”
I have a Brand new Lenovo idelcenter 5I Windows 11 22H2 Home Edition that is up to date. 16 m ram, i5-13500H it is very good, except, I tried to run a Microsoft Defender Antivirus scan (offline scan) and it asked for a recovery key. This should not be happening. yes, they are stored in my MS account for both the ideal Center comp and my yoga laptop. The point is home edition does not have bit locker , I can hit a skip button selection to complete the scan, but I should not have to type in 48 numbers. This does not happen on my yoga laptop. This should not be happening because Blitlocker should not exist in the Home edition of Windows, this is a common problem on Lenovo systems, it seems the factory image they use to load the PC's and laptops automatically enables Blitlocker in the Home edition. This bug needs to be resolved. Lenovo tech support says to turn off encryption, that is terrible solution.
@@jeffreyfinn2940 It's not a bug. Windows 11 Home comes with drive encryption by default on modern laptops and PCs, although it's not branded as bitlocker. My 2022 Asus laptop has the same thing. You can disable drive encryption in settings. Or you can simply install a fresh image of Windows 11.
A friend of mine just bought a lenovo laptop with win 11 pro on it sent it back and ask them to put win10 pro on it as its better for him.
This really shows why "business class" is better, also that the barrier between it and "consumer class" is can really be artificial.
How I wish you went back to your old table with an over head camera, just nitpicking :)
In my mind while watching this I took the fabric as being carpet so I was calling it the carpeted pc ;)
its a bad idea to use plastic for housings mini pc`s like this, much better for few bucks more would be solid alluminium with cooling ribs for better overal cooling and so a longer lifespan
One caveat if you’re thinking about getting one of these. Lenovo support for It’s consumer product line (Idea brand) is not the same as that for the Think branded business products. It’s very much in line with what you get from Dell or HP on their consumer products (off shore call centers, etc).
Do any of these 1L pc's have dual nics has a option ?
Some Lenovo ThinkCentre 1L PCs have Intel i350-T4 NIC options that you can order. Hard to find or retrofit though
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The Lenovo part number is 4XC0R41416 but it's heavily backordered, and not orderable ATM. Kit includes all the brackets etc. to retrofit, fully, any compatible Tiny that has the Internal PCIe riser connector.
You want a Whia System4 screwdriver
Yes!!! Christmas is soon
-3db please
Nice thermal insulation
Sorry but for me? Steel is real
Is this powerful enough for a Minecraft server?
Yes, but may want to look at a higher frequency CPU in it for best performance.
echo is pretty harsh
I hate it when usb ports are on upside down, a hole damn computer where all the ports are on upside down... nope...
I would have 3 things to day:
it's a great box to hide behind your TV. for browsing and rare usage, it's a good choice, but there are much better ones on the market. that IF you want silence, power, gaming or anything else.
For me, there are more things against than for, in this specific choice.
a) intel culture of "work" since skylake is mostly binary, you get full power or idle, which means, power consumption and noise is ALWAYS there, unless you really just don't touch it. AMD does it much better in SFF, in last 2 gens AMD really leapfrogged intel in working culture in lower loads. If you want a tiny ps5 replacement steam box as well, AMD beats intel soundly.
b) that brick breaks whole 1L thing. You literally have a brick that is ~50% of the size of the whole system, and its only replaceable by OEM parts that are similarly sized. I personally throw those almost instantly and pick USB-C GAN chargers, they are like 30% of the size of standard brick with same power, which makes a world of a difference with 1L SFF and tiny laptops.
ASUS is king of this, as he gives you 1.1KG laptop and ~1KG brick to go with it. If you compare it to Anker nano II 30W that I picked for that laptop which is 61 grams (+cable) difference you have to carry with you is mind-blowing. Here is another gain from AMD, they don't use 80W under load, and 30W charger would go just fine, even under load.
Add plastic and fabric to make it look like it uses recycled materials. Lenovo: the three R's are in order of importance, and you get no points for reuse here.
A hundered dollars more and you can get a hystou i7-8809g system. A Hades Canyon clone that will be several times faster than this.
10:05 - and that's why it's made out of plastic, so they can hide the antenna. Yay
Found a used Lenovo 1lt system with Ryzen 2500GE and tried to get the owner to exchange it with a GTX 1050Ti i own but he wouldn't hear of it. 1lt systems with Radeon APUs are fetching a premium in the market.
But you dont have to use a fancy screwdriver. Just a generic screwdriver.
Why they keep packing totally inefficient intel cpu's into tiny boxes. That makes zero sense.
Lenovo builds ThinkCentre Tiny PCs with AMD chips. Most people still want Intel though, especially in enterprise.
lol asparagus pee thats exactly what they done !
A wolf in sheep's clothing. How often do you open up a PC that 7 screws really make that much of a difference?
Me? Weekly.
Why is he filming this at the local strip club?
but I like it❤
Intel, no thanks! :)
oh dear
Your complains about this seem really stupid and petty. This thing is easily serviceable. Very good build quality. If you don't like the outside aesthetics...don't buy it. There are other options. Many homes and offices these days do care about the looks...even if you think that's dumb.
If you check out the M90q, M80q, and other 1L videos we did you can see the extra effort here to make the unit less serviceable.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I'm well aware of those videos. I guess I simply disagree that having to remove 7 screws classifies something as less serviceable. Those screws and panels add to the strength of the chassis. Since the outside is plastic and fabric, it would be very weak without that metal reinforcement. If they didn't have that extra metal and it was flimsy, you probably would have complained about the "poor build quality". Honestly, I prefer screws instead of only plastic clips that will break.
This is not a good value. There is no Intel powered mini PC with good value on the market right now. Try to look in the direction of a Gigabyte BRIX GB-BR with Ryzen 5 or 7 instead.
OMG, seriously. You're complaining about 7 screws in a computer that is EXTREMELY consumer service friendly and upgradeable. Seriously just stop. It's embarrassing
You need more metal music in your videos, Jay 2 cents used too,but they stopped.....more metal plzzzz
Worse Lenovo design ever. Fabric cover will collect dust WTF . The designers must have been on drugs.
And you are whining coz you don't have the correct tools to loosen the screws? jeezzz..
But still waiting for the 'laugh' moment tho...
First world problems… 😀
😂😂😂😂
lenovo trying harder and harder to become apple....
Why does anyone still give Lenovo the time of day after it was proven, in court, twice, that they are still loading superfish spyware on all their systems?
Good question. Same reason I guess that I own a Macbook Pro 13 2013 but have never run MacOS.
The hardware fit my use case at the time, and the software I wanted to use wasn't the default install anyway.
@@morosis82 I actually agree that Lenovo makes better hardware than any other computer company around. It's just unusable in any security regulated environment (PCI, HIPPA, etc)
@@TravisHershberger yep. Used to love my old ThinkPad from work, was pity it ran Windows - a USB key running Linux was much nicer, but alas some of the Dev software stack wouldn't run :(
Source?
This seems to be a problem only when using systems with preinstalled OS. In a managed environment with self installed Windows and only necessary drivers, the drivers will be the same as on any other system of the same platform and there will be no spyware.
I wouldn't touch this product even if you paid me. It is e-waste as far as I am concerned.
13th!
First 5 minutes was a complete waste of time. God damn.
Stop buying cheap wallmart tools lmfao
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lenovo junk
Blathering on seemingly forever and never simply states what the "F" he's talking about !!!!!!
Did not get why he thought this construction was so funny to waste all this time saying we're going to find this so funny. Got REALLY bad around 10:30 trying to compare this to some sort of movie I don't care about. Definitely wasted my time and I know better to skip any future videos that start off like this one did.
You talk too much
Use TH-cam correctly to consume your free videos! Adjust the playback speed!!
Why so rude about Lenovo? You change the memory or drive for a mac mini m1))) And now you understand that lenovo can be upgraded!