1L with a GPU! Lenovo ThinkStation P340 Tiny
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2024
- We take a look at the Lenovo ThinkStation P340 Tiny. This 1L workstation has not just an Intel 8 core processor, but also a NVIDIA Quadro P620 dGPU installed in mini PC package. Between the GPU and the Intel Core i7-10700T we get additional performance but also a humorous feature in the power supply.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:56 Pricing and Comparing to STH Mini PC Series
02:54 External Hardware Overview
05:28 Internal Hardware Overview
09:32 Performance (Full Quadro P620 Review Linked in Description)
12:03 Power Consumption and Power
15:40 Intel vPro
16:29 Key Lessons Learned
18:58 Wrap-up
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Love your work Patrick! Sysadmin tuning in from Sydney, Australia. Your channel caters to a niche for sure, but i’m so glad you’re doing it!
Awesome, thank you!
I love you beeing so excited in the beginning. Makes you so authentic
You saved me a ton of money across all these videos I have watched back to back these few weeks. It took me back to the Computer Shopper days when I realized they had a cable channel that I watched for an entire week without sleeping. I am one of those roll your own server guys and I cannot thank you enough for the countless pointers. Excellent job and keep up the good work! Also Patrick, on your most worst day you are ten times the best motivational speaker I have ever had the pleasure of watching.
Ha. Thanks
Great timing on the video. I have been looking at one of these for our church to replace the Mac they are using for video and streaming currently. Right now the problem is with Mac its arbitrary number of monitor outputs.
Nicely done! Seems like you work 24/7 ;-)
The P620 is basically a GT1030 IIRC it is slightly more powerful and feature rich. What i'm looking forward to is a 6800U/6800H based system as, with the right RAM, those should be equivelant to a GTX 1650.
I'd also like to get my hands on the $399 Nvidia Orin NX 12 core ARM CPU, and 2048 combined FP32/INT cores. A similar core count to the RTX 3050
You should totally do a single video for each of the manufacturers going over each of the models. Gets a little confusing when watching them all separately when comparing.
The best part is seeing "Quadro"! That brings back datacenter memories before all this AI hype with desktop GPU prices skyrocketing. (Also, you would have to get the M75q. I have it :) It's Ryzen 5 3400G w/ Vega11 that also uses 2GB VRAM. I say "uses" because it's an iGPU so technically shared system RAM. But for significantly less $$$, the AMD benches just a tad behind this setup.)
Could you try swapping out the GPU for a Network card (like a sfp+ connectx ) ?
I'm not surprised by the power consumption at idle, pascal idle gpu will be pulling 10-15W. However the creep up to 33W was very odd to me..
Just imagine this setup with a 12th gen Intel or 5th/6th Gen AMD :p
At 0:42
Hey Patrick!! Did you edit this video?? I seem to remember one time you mentioned you loved to put in music and b-roll at the beginning....it is interesting, but you're now talking again and there is music in the background it is a little distracting and hard to pay attention to what you're saying....
*Finished video*
Overall it was a good video, and I enjoyed it. Thank you for making it....
You should have gotten the T1000 as it is actually quite a BEAST
I wish it was possible to put an HBA in that port and have a separate box that can house a bunch of drives (I believe this is called a JBOD enclosure) of matching dimensions, so that you could stack them and use this little computer as a NAS or a home server.
doesn't seem to be any reason you couldn't do that looking at the way it's built. would just have to be a half-height HBA card.
Love it to hackintoshed this one, also available with radeon graphics. This a solid rock macmini killer.
i love the form factor. Please review the P360!
The Rx 6400 just released, it's single slot and low profile. It might be able to fit in there
"Hello, it's ETA Prime back here again, today we are gonna look at...."
@@pedro4205 lol
Oh man. That gargantuan power brick is ridiculous. LOL!
are those mini-DP output quad-4K? It might be perfect for monitoring.
Very cool stuff, wasn't aware that Lenovo had an option of this type! Have you ever messed with an HP Z mini? They're a good bit bigger than the 1L PCs, but they perform quite well and come equipped with low spec quadros as well. Seems very similar to this device, but with quite a bit more cooling. Uses a similar power brick, too, haha!
Like this? th-cam.com/video/p82thXoAdKw/w-d-xo.html
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Uhhh, yeah! A LOT like that one! 🤣 Must have missed that video somehow!
Might be fun to try passing the GPU from a hypervisor into a VM with VMware or proxmox
The GPU appears to be a regular PCI-E card, so you could upgrade to an RX 6400 and get even more power! Also I think the CPU is socketed, but finding any 10900Ts would be impossible.
It is PCIe, just a custom faceplate. The other challenge is ensuring a replacement is properly cooled
Also, 12900T versions with undervolting would be great for a beowulf cluster. 64GB would be nice too.
i hope HP/Dell adopt this also as i think it would make servicing much easier if not make the computer more flexible/open up upgrade options.Just wish Lenovo would also have made a ryzen version as an alternative.
A 1650 would be better because I'm pretty sure this runs off PCie 3 only.
@@AidGum I guess you can spring for the more modern ones with x8 pcie 4.0 or the Quadro T1000
I've worked on one of these in my shop, that GPU is not for gaming at all but is more meant for multiple displays. I had a customer who needed 7 outputs for his management software and this was the model we had to get for him. If you do want to game on this I would highly recommend swapping out the gpu with AMD's new sff RX 6400 which would really bring it up to modern games on medium settings.
A word of caution: not all low-profile cards are single-slot. My wife's EliteDesk 800 SFF has a low-profile GTX 1650, but it is still two-slot thick beacause of the big heat sink.
Have you done any reviews in your Tiny series with the Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Tiny Workstation?
It would be nice to see a review if you havent.
Thanks!
We have not gotten that one yet. I think the next Lenovo is the P620 big Threadripper Pro workstation refresh with the new TR Pro.
What about database benchmarks using for example HammerDB ❓
How do you manage to maintain that energy level lol. Always so upbeat I love it
Literally wish i had this energy every day - this guy is a king
@@JashtonnFS he could sell ice to the Eskimo lol. Its Infectious
@@christopherjackson2157 Haha tell me about it! I’d buy anything off this man.
I actually record these between 4:45AM and 6AM or after 10:30PM just to bring the energy level down a few notches.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 😂😂 my respect just went up 10000%
If is requires an external brick to run you should include that in the volume. Nonetheless, sick sff pc!
Hi Patrick, will the ThinkStation P340 Tiny run and be compatible with the PNY Nvidia T1000. I'm thinking of getting one and adding the T1000, Thanks
Can the power brick for this Tiny also power the Tiny-in-One monitor? Normally you use the power brick that comes with the monitor as it is made to power both the monitor and the Tiny, that wouldn't work in this case.
sorry for the Off Topic question, I have 1 of this p340 tiny I buyed used with intel i5 10th gen and 32gb ram, I changed the 256gb m2 ssd with a datacenter class kingston 480gb m2 nvme, so I have another m2 slot free. I have no discrete gpu so maybe with a rizer bracket I can use the pci express slot. Now the question: someone has experience of adding inside the Lenovo p340 tiny a m2 Coral.ai card, passing it to the proxmox host and using it with a Frigate vm to save only real motion triggered videos to an external disk? for example saving to a nas (I don't have one but want to buy also for other reasons). ma Thank you for any reply, the problem now is to find the Coral cards and their price, also the usb are out of stock worldwide.
Can the graphics card be removed and could I install a 4 port Intel NIC.
Would have been nice if you tested power consumption/draw/temps without the GPU.
Is there a way to put a 4*nvme pcie card in there and turn it into an unraid server? Remove gpu? Replace wifi card with nvme as well? That would be 7 nvme...
I am wondering if the 10th and 11th gen Intel Core T CPUs throttle down in these Lenovo units. I had a 6700T and 7500T Dell Optiplex 1L back in the day and with stock cooling, neither power throttled after a few seconds running full load.
I think that is why the cooling is much more aggressive in these generations with top vents. Also the Core i9-10900T is not that much faster I think because of power/ thermal limits.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I have a Lenovo m90q, and on the specs from Lenovo i can use a i9 10900, yes a regular processor, not the low wattage, thats the difference with the m70q, that model only allows the "T" processors
it would be interesting to put a deshroud RTX A2000 in this tiny PC....
Does anyone knows whats the difference between the ThinkStation line and the ThinkCentre line?
Replace that Quadro card with a 4 port 10Gbe card, max out the ram and that would make a sweet low power Proxmox server. Pfsense would be my first VM!
I don't know why, but that background music gave me inspector gadget vibes. 😅
Alex has been using some 8-bit game sounding tracks in his edits.
I have one of these from beginning of 2018 (Thinkcentre M910x Tiny Q270) that has an RX 460 4GB.
How does it work?
this would be great for a Plex server or emby or jelly fin you didn't even say anything about that the p400+ p600+ p2000+ is what people use to transcode but than again the IGPU will Destory that Quadro in Transcoding for 800$ they can keep the thing
I just don't know why laptop-components in a desktop shell is a mark up of 20%... you miss out the screen, the UPS and the integrated keyboard.
The first dedicated server I ever ran was a notebook actually :-)
This is the "businness PC" markup, just wait to see the prices they sell office PCs at
@@marcogenovesi8570 Nah, it's the same with consumer-grade... For a business it makes little sense, pairing powerful hardware with that tiny form factor; it's less serviceable and upgradeable, therefore not for heavy workload like CAD or media production long-term and too powerful for simple office-tasks where the form factor might come in handy. Something like that in a mITX for reasonable consumer prices would be nice, but then still I prefer "real" hardware, the difference in pricing doesn't make up for a little saving on the energy consumption
@@anno5936 I've seen enough office PCs that cost more than a midrange gaming rig and are still unable to do anything 3D, businness prices are a thing.
@@marcogenovesi8570 Yeah, you are right about that, just saying that the same "logic" applies to the consumer market if you get to that form-factor. On the other hand, I can understand the mark up for a few reasons, like extended support, availability of spares (though that didn't age well with HPs TB extension for the Prodesk Mini series) and certain platform features/tools.
A 10700T with a T1000 would be legit! I just can't justify the purchase right now.
Can you put a NIC in instead of DGPU? Really looking for 1L with multiple 10G NIC.
Some have used these with the riser for NICs. Cooling and the rear faceplate are the two items to watch out for
This is Patrick from STH and I've had too much coffee.
Actually, I record these before 6AM or after 10PM to avoid having coffee speed!
I am seeing a lot of comments suggesting the use of the Rx 6400. The AMD card uses only 4 lanes instead of 16 of PCIe 4. This means that things can get rough on PCIe 3 with less bandwidth.
A 1650 would be better for this PC than the 6400 in this case. Plus you get video encoding.
@@AidGum I wanted to say Radeon Pro W6400, as a workstation card, I don't know why I wrote RX 6400. But it also lacks the video encoding, so your point is valid. There is also a configuration option from Lenovo to add the NVIDIA T1000 8GB GDDR6 card for an extra 240USD!
LOL at that power brick.
Every time I see GPU I think "Swap in a NIC and let's build a router/firewall appliance from the future. Virtualize the resources and add a caching server for SOHO."
Edit: never mind, looks like these must have the GPU, no NIC or Intel graphics options listed.
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I think the NIC is available but different option.
I can't keep track of Nvidia video GPU generation names any more than I can keep track of Mac OS version names. Could you give us a reference point as to what generation of GTX consumer card it's equivalent with?
As in "this is the stablemate to the GTX 9xx generation".
Some of these Quadro cards are hard to find information on. From what I found on this one, it's similar in power to a GT 1030/ GTX 750 Ti/ GTX 570. This is a rough estimate as there isn't a very close equivalent. I didn't include the 900 series because to my knowledge the GTX 950 is the lowest of that generation and the 950 is a step above.
Will this work with the rx 6400 aka a gaming card?
Dang, my guess was maybe 100w, 150w is crazy!
Can anyone please confirm if this supports HBA cards ?
i dont know where he is getting $840 dollars from. i just went to Lenovo site and did the same config at it is saying that it is $2,584?
The TMM series we are ebaying units (some like the EliteDesk 805 G6 we even have purchased from STH readers via ebay.) Since they are 2 generations old now the idea is to find used units. Also - new configs on Lenovo usually there are email coupons for huge percentages off.
The T400 should be standard in this system.
this segment is just getting going - expect major new changes - 10g and dual nvme would be nice - these fea5ture should start to emerge post zen4 which is around the corner, also the sbc mkt will pick up speed - why is this form factor so important for smb mkt sector - price and power plus they can scale up cheap without having to shell out for a powerhog loud 1u - mkt sentiment should improve but now it is on downside due to covid and supply chain and gpu issues - big io and ipc gains could help boost sentiment out of the sediment #ashy to classy
Now i just need an IO shield to fit an RX 6400 to throw into one of these.
Just bend the bundled in with the card, or fabricate one from 0.8mm Aluminum sheet. Maybe the 0.8 is too thin.
Needs a 1650 LP or A2000 with a hole cut out like a hotrod to fit the card.
You always make vPro availability more complex than reality :) vPro requires three things: 1. compatible CPU 2. compatible PCH 3. compatible bios chip/file. Most OEM use a 1.5Mb bios file which only include ME, vPro has a bigger space requirement (5Mb). This size difference usually materialize as a different logic board for standard and vPro machines.
To be fair, vPro has never been something that intel has properly explained to the press, nor has it educated it’s industry engineers on it to any sort of reasonable extent. I can understand why it has been seen in a negative light overall. It has its advantages, but even after all of my learning and qualifications, I had to read through some stack overflow thread to understand it properly - and that was written by complete randoms in the field!
It is less about the availability, and more that we have folks that buy systems that can support vPro, CPUs that can support vPro, but then fail at the final software enablement. Usually this is a corporate IT department that said no vPro so the system looks like it should but does not. That was a bit challenge early in TMM for our readers/ viewers so I like to call it out.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo well said. I’ve had this pop up a lot in my work and it can be misleading/confusing. Appreciate you making it transparent for us all!
Well good luck finding it at that price now xD
Alright, it's got plenty of Think -- but where's the Station? It's so tiny!!!!
I have an M70q with a 2nd HDD in place of that GPU lol
Why is it Apple has managed to make mac-minis that run ever so quiet despite also having cooling-fans?
I need a quiet pc but can't live with the intrusive sound of fans kicking in. A constant (very) quiet hum in the background is not too bad, but it's when extra load makes the fan kick in. It's like driving a heavy car up a mountain and realising its not gonna make it and having to shift down gears to make slow advance - that revving!
So, what's a quiet pc alternative?
Apple are miles ahead because they make their own silicon (CPUs) which are based on ARM. Take a look at the power used by the Apple M1 and M2 chips - it's around 5W. This is why they can make M1 MacBooks without fans.
I think the public should be made aware of the fact that Lenovo was convicted twice of selling systems with embedded fishing ware. The first time they were convicted they received a strong reprimand and was ordered to fix the "issue". The second time they received a very stiff fine. I would think twice before purchasing from a company that blatantly ignores policy and already has a reputation for dishonest dealing and shady tactics. Feel free to GOOGLE it.
aNY OF THE TINY'S LET US PLAY GAMES WITH DECENT PERFORMANCE? (Just saw that the GPU if for extra ports mainly =/
It could be a nice tiny Gaming/Working rig! Just swapp the PCI-E riser to a ribbon, and plug a bigger GPU (probably also will need an extra PSU) :D
It's so sad that mac mini is 1,4L
1.4l turbocharged should have similar power and torque like 2.0l 16V
Dumb clickbait.
That gpu is worse than integrated graphics.
you can put a rx 6400 in this also.