"I told you to go where you are?" "Exactly" "I did, ok sir.". Hilarious, and you know what? Not just the controller is a great guy, the pilots noticed how desperatly close to total resignation he was and the did not give him hard times at all :-)
The problem arose because the ground controller is trying to move planes around like a finely choreographed ballet. His instructions (prior to this video) were "Delta, follow Corporate" and "Jet Blue 1069, follow Delta". However, JB 1069 spoke to the Delta flight, who explained they were waiting for the Corporate jet, so JB 1069 decided he was going to go ahead and jump from 3rd in line to 1st in line, thereby messing up the whole scheme. This is where the controller says, "You can't just do that".
This is a ATC trying to maintain both visual and misread locations from the Tower Control, trying to make sense of the mess in one of the busy airports in the world. The pilots is trying just try to navigate so many lazy pilots and taxi them through the runway, and making sense of conflicting info of visual and false info on the map.... BRAVO to him.... listen again.
I imagine they are still in the stone age using flight strips and mental memories of the situation on the ground when even video games have very precise visuals of the airport and movement of aircraft.
Wasn’t it unable to do anything? The controller was annoyed due to the pilot reacting 180 degrees to his directives. It came down to language issues and never saying he couldn’t make sense of his rapid fire NY accent.
You state in the beginning of the video "...understanding of the facts that lead a JFK ATC GND controller to retire at age 32." In reality, the controller in question (Arny) was fired from his job at Kennedy (JFK). He went on to work at La Guardia (LGA) and was once again fired. He now works as a local controller at Islip/Long Island Mac Arthur (ISP) changing between tower, ground and clearance usually working weekends. Occasionally, pilots have asked: Aren't you the guy in that video?
The video was better before it got too silly to synch up with what was actually happening. I understand the intention there, but I was more involved and more entertained while it was being played straighter.
God bless this controller. I’m looking at a coloring book explanation with color coded plane icons and I still have little clue what’s going on. I would have thrown my headset and walked home.
The controller is not fully to blame here. The overall layout and naming of the taxiways and apron entrance/exit points at JFK are a mess. Take an airport like (YYZ) Toronto Pearson (my home airport) for example. Taxiways = X, Runway high speed exits = X1, Apron entrance/exit = XX. In my opinion, I believe that a surface naming system like YYZ and other Canadian airports, are much easier for pilots and on ground personnel to understand and follow.
JFK is always hilarious. Remember the kid controller? BTW, this guy was not fired, he was moved to a smaller airport, I think Long Island MacArthur. I maintain he'd be great as a radio talk show host.
Yes Kennedy Steve would have prevented the whole mess from happening. But we have to remember that this epioside dates from (apparently) 2010, well before KS had made a name for himself as the world's dominant ground controller. (And a shout-out to H89SA who helped to make that happen.) There are a few legendary figures (now mostly retired) who could do things nobody else could do. If it's the bottom of the ninth with the score tied, two on and a full count, you need Mariano Rivera. If your plane's engines are both dead and there's no dry landing option available, you need Sully. And if the JFK taxiway system is totally gridlocked, you need Kennedy Steve. Like the others, he's retired. Like the others, he's a freak of nature (to borrow a phrase from Al Haynes.) We're glad he served us as long he could.
Why don't they just all send the GPS position over the transponder so the ATC could have just had a graphic on a screen with the full overview so he don't have to ask for their position all the time?
The controller, Patrick Harten, 35 did the Miracle on thehudson with Sully. This was a guy arny .."the controller in question (Arny) was fired from his job at Kennedy (JFK). He went on to work at La Guardia (LGA) and was once again fired. He now works as a local controller at Islip/Long Island Mac Arthur (ISP) changing between tower, ground and clearance usually working weekends. Occasionally, pilots have asked: Aren't you the guy in that video"
I feel for the guy when it is obvious the pilots up front took matters in their own hands. I hope the controller survived this incident and is thriving.
Nope he got transferred to a smaller airport not too long after this and another incident in which he let one of his kids transmit air traffic control transmissions
Lmao...'you can't just...you can't just do that...See this takes so much energy, guys' *mainlines more caffeine* and this illustrates some of the issues the A380 causes. I've seen the Jepp charts for JFK and lots of them are almost exclusively dedicated to the A380 and where it can and cannot go
@ 6:55 JFK Ground: "Jetblue 144, you an inbound or an outbound?" Jetblue 144: "Inbound to Whiskey" JFK Ground: "I told you to go where you are?" Jetblue 144: "Exactly"
Now, this is probably just because I have NO idea of how ATC works (so I'm sorry if this is a really stupid comment), but why don't they just implement the use of GPS? It may not help the routing but at least they'd be able to to see where everyone is at any time.
As far as I know, intentionally, I didn't cut anything out. The pilots were really sympathetic. Well... they otta be if they were to get out of the tangle. :D
It was probably out of service because you can hear him sequencing strips around while he figures out the order (the click noises in the background). I'm a controller and this happens sometimes and it takes a lot of transmissions to figure it out but it's not a big deal.
Sounded like the one or 2 working Arrivals wasn't keeping the flight strips in order as they were passing off to ground. So flights were just showing up landing and on a moving on a taxiway without coordination, JFK that's a big no no. Then Pilots weren't giving the full info of company flight# where they are what they are doing and where they want to go. IE: Jet Blue 882 on yankee short of alpha for departures on 13L. Then ground and verify who they are where they are and can determine how he can keep everyone moving. Worse, A number of these pilots couldn't speak clearly, were just barely able to speak english or understand the directions being given. Ground sounded like he was ready to "wrap it up". I couldn't for sure but it sounded like Kennedy Steve. Hard to tell because this is from before 2010. But a lot of his responses sound familiar.
If I may, "company" in this context means another aircraft in the same airline as the aircraft to which the instruction is given. For example, "JetBlue 875 follow company ahead" means "follow the JetBlue aircraft (whether a Boeing, Airbus, or whatever) in front of you"
@SavaMarkovicPilot He is a terrible controller. Also, his phraseology is still lagging behind. Rather than using current taxiing instructions (Runway 33L, taxi via.....) he uses the old style (Taxi to runway 33L via...).
"I told you to go where you are?" "Exactly" "I did, ok sir.". Hilarious, and you know what? Not just the controller is a great guy, the pilots noticed how desperatly close to total resignation he was and the did not give him hard times at all :-)
The problem arose because the ground controller is trying to move planes around like a finely choreographed ballet. His instructions (prior to this video) were "Delta, follow Corporate" and "Jet Blue 1069, follow Delta". However, JB 1069 spoke to the Delta flight, who explained they were waiting for the Corporate jet, so JB 1069 decided he was going to go ahead and jump from 3rd in line to 1st in line, thereby messing up the whole scheme. This is where the controller says, "You can't just do that".
This is a ATC trying to maintain both visual and misread locations from the Tower Control, trying to make sense of the mess in one of the busy airports in the world. The pilots is trying just try to navigate so many lazy pilots and taxi them through the runway, and making sense of conflicting info of visual and false info on the map.... BRAVO to him.... listen again.
I imagine they are still in the stone age using flight strips and mental memories of the situation on the ground when even video games have very precise visuals of the airport and movement of aircraft.
@@magentaMegi Not Bravo, Whiskey to him.
@@SraTacoMal Bravo Zulu to ground, I'll get him some Whiskey for dealing with those Deltas. Man's an absolute Alpha.
@@drdream123 JFK has ASDE-X.
i love how there are just so many plane silhouettes that end up just randomly popping up. as well as the guys parked on the runway ;)
"You're unable to do everything with that plane of yours sir." LOL
Wasn’t it unable to do anything? The controller was annoyed due to the pilot reacting 180 degrees to his directives. It came down to language issues and never saying he couldn’t make sense of his rapid fire NY accent.
You state in the beginning of the video "...understanding of the facts that lead a JFK ATC GND controller to retire at age 32." In reality, the controller in question (Arny) was fired from his job at Kennedy (JFK). He went on to work at La Guardia (LGA) and was once again fired. He now works as a local controller at Islip/Long Island Mac Arthur (ISP) changing between tower, ground and clearance usually working weekends. Occasionally, pilots have asked: Aren't you the guy in that video?
I also write that I'm just kidding because I had no idea what happened to him. Tx for the update nonetheless
@@OutThereIam amen!!!~
I've been listening to these guys do their majick on LiveATC for years now, and it never ceases to amaze me.
The video was better before it got too silly to synch up with what was actually happening. I understand the intention there, but I was more involved and more entertained while it was being played straighter.
This is an excellent graphic representation for these ATC exchanges at JFK. I tip my hat to the creativity and effort put into it. Thanks for posting.
God bless this controller. I’m looking at a coloring book explanation with color coded plane icons and I still have little clue what’s going on.
I would have thrown my headset and walked home.
started getting silly towards the end. last half would not be a graphic representation of anything other than the uploaders imagination.
bombud1 Yep... that ruined the whole thing
I picture this guy looking all disheveled and tired smoking a cigarette down to the filter and an ashtray spilling over.
The controller is not fully to blame here. The overall layout and naming of the taxiways and apron entrance/exit points at JFK are a mess. Take an airport like (YYZ) Toronto Pearson (my home airport) for example. Taxiways = X, Runway high speed exits = X1, Apron entrance/exit = XX. In my opinion, I believe that a surface naming system like YYZ and other Canadian airports, are much easier for pilots and on ground personnel to understand and follow.
You guys should come up here one day.
classic
I can't imagine the stress of that job...hugs to that controller (I wish I could)
I have heard this recording like 4 times and every time it cracks me up!!!!
I listen to this everyday. The new york accent is cool. I'd love to work with him. That has to be a nerve racking job
Now they have ground radar. You have to give the generation of cotrollers who had to do it this way out of memory!!!
The controller sometimes sounds like Peter Griffin, very funny!
Jetblue 179: ".... and we'll meet you at the "Duty Free" hahahahaha
and Ground: "You guys should come up here one day. You'd enjoy the show"
You did well with the graphics on this. Very funny.
2:25
The alien with the buzzing killed me
Lol!!
Love the graphics!
lol i love the animations... heard this a dozen times and this is awesome!
JFK is always hilarious. Remember the kid controller? BTW, this guy was not fired, he was moved to a smaller airport, I think Long Island MacArthur. I maintain he'd be great as a radio talk show host.
i wonder why they fired him, anyone that can clear this mess up deserved a rise!
10 minutes? kennedy steve woulda had that sorted out in 4 minutes! good video!
I half-expected "Ground Control to Kennedy Steve! Mayday! Mayday!"
Yes Kennedy Steve would have prevented the whole mess from happening. But we have to remember that this epioside dates from (apparently) 2010, well before KS had made a name for himself as the world's dominant ground controller. (And a shout-out to H89SA who helped to make that happen.)
There are a few legendary figures (now mostly retired) who could do things nobody else could do. If it's the bottom of the ninth with the score tied, two on and a full count, you need Mariano Rivera. If your plane's engines are both dead and there's no dry landing option available, you need Sully. And if the JFK taxiway system is totally gridlocked, you need Kennedy Steve. Like the others, he's retired. Like the others, he's a freak of nature (to borrow a phrase from Al Haynes.) We're glad he served us as long he could.
This guy is so cool. U always wanted to be an airline pilot and be would make my day.
Nice, very good visualation
After listening to some of these..im starting to notice a trend..and that trend is that JetBlue tends to screw things up for the NY controllers..lol
Well done. I really had that "LOL" everybody types.
Thanks for the info!
2:27 OK, that icon made my day....
fantastic animations:)
This poor guy, I feel bad for him
"Jesus Jetblue" haha
Every time I say I'm screwed up or something like that I always say "Jesus JetBlue
#blamejetblue
TheSpeedyPatriot #jetbluedidnothingwrong
I wish there was a video of this, this too funny!
I'm so glad i fly helicopters and not fixed wings! xD
"Request present position departure" - Thank you very much!
Was the one who retired at age 32 as mentioned in the beginning, the one speaking in the video?
Am I wrong but is this whole mess caused by the corp jet that cut in line?
this guy deserve a free hug :)
It's not the same without Kenndy Steve in control
It would have been a good video, what's missing is callsign tags next to the planes, and what's with the messing around?
Why don't they just all send the GPS position over the transponder so the ATC could have just had a graphic on a screen with the full overview so he don't have to ask for their position all the time?
They have an ASDE-X (ground radar) that provides a graphic layout of the planes on the taxiways and runways.
Wankel Motor Isn't ADS-B going to do something like that?
"Your unable to do everything, sir, that plane of yours, sir." haha
This was back in 08...BEFORE the change. it says so in the description. The change was last year...
Who's on second?
The controller sounds like Peter from family guy ;)
i think you can see what this guy looks like. he was the controller for US1549 it was on Air Crash Investigations. or something like that.
The controller, Patrick Harten, 35 did the Miracle on thehudson with Sully.
This was a guy arny .."the controller in question (Arny) was fired from his job at Kennedy (JFK). He went on to work at La Guardia (LGA) and was once again fired. He now works as a local controller at Islip/Long Island Mac Arthur (ISP) changing between tower, ground and clearance usually working weekends. Occasionally, pilots have asked: Aren't you the guy in that video"
I feel for the guy when it is obvious the pilots up front took matters in their own hands. I hope the controller survived this incident and is thriving.
Nope he got transferred to a smaller airport not too long after this and another incident in which he let one of his kids transmit air traffic control transmissions
You need to slow down the text at the beginning. Not all of us can read as fast as ATC talks.
Lmao...'you can't just...you can't just do that...See this takes so much energy, guys' *mainlines more caffeine* and this illustrates some of the issues the A380 causes. I've seen the Jepp charts for JFK and lots of them are almost exclusively dedicated to the A380 and where it can and cannot go
@ 6:55
JFK Ground: "Jetblue 144, you an inbound or an outbound?"
Jetblue 144: "Inbound to Whiskey"
JFK Ground: "I told you to go where you are?"
Jetblue 144: "Exactly"
and he shortly thereafter follows with " you guys should come up here one day"
Reminds me of Abbott & Costello's; Who's on first...
...Who's on CharlieAlpha & did I send you there?
JFK Ground is always a favourite for entertainment.
I'm not even mad, I'm amazed. 😂
wow.. I'm impressed with this guy.. hahah
Seriously.... o.O
Made my day :D
My head is spinning!!!!
you...you didnt even MOVE then...who who.. who went out of sequence?
Ground man is cool as hell
Now, this is probably just because I have NO idea of how ATC works (so I'm sorry if this is a really stupid comment), but why don't they just implement the use of GPS? It may not help the routing but at least they'd be able to to see where everyone is at any time.
But who was Papa Hotel Oscar November Echo?
Papa means taxi way P Hotel means taxi way H all the same thing.
Peter griffin on ATC \o/
it doesn't take that much energy it takes a lot of coordination
Most stressful jobs in Transportation:
Air Traffic Controller
Railway Dispatcher
Railway Yardmaster
+A Rare Trump ATC especially ground and approach at major airports are incredibly stressful.
2:33 love that picture 😆
I'm fairly certain this did not demystify the mess this controller detangled... but thanks for trying...
Did anyone taxi to take off? Hold all gates, clear mess, get sequence then pull all and GO.
I figured that was how everyone was placed, I just wasn't sure of the taxiways at JFK..
Yep I guess we're fine to go for full automated planes, there will be no issues.
I don't know!
ATC sounds like Peter Griffin specialy at 7.00 ! Awesome !
Who's on first?
This guy is cool as hell
It's a squadron of Boeings!!! Anyone besides me catch that in the video at 7:49?
At least he didn't have to deal with any tugs (unless they got edited out).
As far as I know, intentionally, I didn't cut anything out. The pilots were really sympathetic. Well... they otta be if they were to get out of the tangle. :D
I thought he was gunna cry at that point.. :)
I try to stay away from JFK on afternoons
What does go around the horn mean
Eeek 8:40...incorrect readback again with Delta 929. Could have been a bit more fun down the line!
This was back in 08...BEFORE the change.
JFK needs a better ground radar...
It was probably out of service because you can hear him sequencing strips around while he figures out the order (the click noises in the background). I'm a controller and this happens sometimes and it takes a lot of transmissions to figure it out but it's not a big deal.
It sucks when the RESDE-X gets broken. You gotta do everything visually.
@7:48 "follow the leader" ahahaa
He sounds so much like Joe Pesci at times. 😂
Okay, okay, okay...
This guy is so cool
What is a 75
Shorthand for B-757.
This ATC's voice sounds like Bobby Boucher from the waterboy movie🤣
i take it this guy plays a lot of rubicks cube?
What work
anyone know the name of the controller that sounds like Adam Carolla?
The audioquality just sucks.
More!
I say that at work quite often now.... :-/
Sounded like the one or 2 working Arrivals wasn't keeping the flight strips in order as they were passing off to ground. So flights were just showing up landing and on a moving on a taxiway without coordination, JFK that's a big no no. Then Pilots weren't giving the full info of company flight# where they are what they are doing and where they want to go. IE: Jet Blue 882 on yankee short of alpha for departures on 13L. Then ground and verify who they are where they are and can determine how he can keep everyone moving. Worse, A number of these pilots couldn't speak clearly, were just barely able to speak english or understand the directions being given. Ground sounded like he was ready to "wrap it up".
I couldn't for sure but it sounded like Kennedy Steve. Hard to tell because this is from before 2010. But a lot of his responses sound familiar.
This is not Steve. I think it's Pat. Also some JB just decided to break sequence, everyone directing did their job well.
Definitely not Steve.
It would never have got that way with Steve
This got me even more confused
"You guys should come up here one day" xD
heard this guy working at islip macarthur now
What does 'company' mean in this context?
i think its a private jet
Ok, thanks!
If I may, "company" in this context means another aircraft in the same airline as the aircraft to which the instruction is given. For example, "JetBlue 875 follow company ahead" means "follow the JetBlue aircraft (whether a Boeing, Airbus, or whatever) in front of you"
@@stephennessling9822
Yes, that is exactly what it means.
@SavaMarkovicPilot He is a terrible controller. Also, his phraseology is still lagging behind. Rather than using current taxiing instructions (Runway 33L, taxi via.....) he uses the old style (Taxi to runway 33L via...).
Just glad he didn't have an air sector that day!
Ah, traffic officers do this every time they stand in the middle of an intersection and try to "clean" the traffic :)
the controller *really* sounds like a young al pacino.
A really bad day for an air traffic controller. XP