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@@Eddo15878 The reason for other people might be that it needs a lot of time or money and that every third video has add for it. But for me reason is that this game is russian and I don't want to support the war in my country
I think it’s a small mercy that most people died without realizing what was happening. It is one of the most peaceful ways to go. You just fall asleep and never wake up. That lone person is the only one who experienced the full horror of what was going to happen to him.
Also from another video apparently you dont really feel it much when the oxygen is less than what the human would need just signs showing up then you become slowly unconcious.
I'll never forget that day. I was flying from Larnaca to Athens via Olympic Airways a few hours after the Helios plane crashed. I was bumped to business class because the flight was full of relatives from the Helios plane. I was sat next to a lady that cried through the entire flight. I kept thinking of what to say to her to try and comfort her but I never uttered a word to her. I just didn't know what to say. Every year around this time, I think of that lady.
I can only imagine the horror the engineer felt when he said "can you confirm that the pressurisation panel is set to auto?". He worked out that the pilot's incoherent complaints were the result of hypoxia.
Had it not been for the language issue with the previous guy talking he may have gotten there sooner. Him asking that even one minute earlier may have saved everyone.
The only thing I can say is I think no one suffered except for the guy that saved it from crashing into the town, hes a hero for that, rip to all, simple mistake turned tragic
Well, not even a simple mistake. A series of serious mistakes. Forgetting to switch something back is quite literally expected to happen. In manufacturing, default state is holy and have to be perfect for everything to start, you have to program everything such that every switch has to be in the correct position to even start something. Having such a switch, one that can cause a tragedy and not having a dozen barriers in front of its actions is insane. It goes against everything I studies in a different, less dangerous field. Then you have language issues, warnings obscuring each other, negligence, it's horrid.
@@whatevernamegoeshere3644im honestly surprised that there isnt an automatic check for every single switch and the board computer throwing warnings if one or more of them are not in the expected state for takeoff. This could mitigate human error, and I‘d rather have a computer causing a flight delay, than this.
I was at a beach near Athens and saw it pass above, I remember because I found the aircraft was lower than usual as there is a mountain behind and the sound of the aircraft was not normal too. It crashed in the mountains behind the beach. Half an hour after all cellphones on the beach were ringing like crazy So sad...😢
@@Septarix no the phones of friends of family telling people on the beach what happened a few kilometers behind us. And probably to leave the beach asap as they were going to close down roads
That F-16 pilot's Mayday call was heartwrenching to hear and I can just imagine how he felt transmitting that Mayday call whilst he was not the one crashing. How do pilots who knows they're doomed feels as the voice of this F-16 pilot is haunting for me.
The volunteer pilot nearly saved the flight, sadly, it was just a bit too late. But he turned the flight away from the densely populated Athens area, if I understand this correctly. This likely saved many lives on the ground. This is so very tragic.
Sorry, but that is incorrect wikipedia information. The aircraft banked left after engine 1 flamed out. According to the accident report there was any signs of any control input except trying to pull up right before impact.
It was not about time. This Andreas had no flight licence for huge planes, just a small one. Thats is why he couldnt do anything but look for a place to let it fall
TL;DR Basically, a mechanic turned on the "Everybody Dies" switch in order to test for a pressure leak, and the pilot never checked to turn off the "Everybody Dies" switch as part of the takeoff checklist.
@@FireFish5000it's not the engineers job to make sure the pilots go through before and after takeoff checklists properly. every pilot on every airline is required to do it. these pilots just didn't do it properly
@@jess_lol4579 So the mechanics/engineers screwed up by leaving a switch on that would kill everyone, pilots were the backup system to check that the mechanics/engineers didn't do anything dumb?
Something about the way the flight attendant pointed to the F16 that they were going down and he couldn’t stop it destroyed me. He knew he was on limited time at that point and had to come to terms with the horror. It was a case of everything going wrong. The missed switch, hypoxia already getting the pilots, the flight attendant waking up but making it into the cabin minutes too late. If he had woken on the 3rd hold when there was still fuel and engines, how different it might be 😭
The only good thing is that the unconscious people on board, all except the volunteer pilot, wouldn’t have had to experience the terror of knowing they were going to crash. It’s not much consolation, I know, to those who love them.
Great video! I learned new things about that accident. It's crazy how close they were to solving it, but sadly hypoxia had already set in. The charges against that mechanic were really harsh, IMO. His mistake would have been without consequences had the pilots addressed the issue correctly. Living with the deaths of all on board must be enough to bear.
"His mistake would have been without consequences had the pilots addressed the issue correctly" -- True, but they could use the same defense. Though one could certainly argue that it was their responsibility to ensure that the airplane was in a safe configuration.
Irwin was charged with 121 counts of manslaughter seems a bit unfair to me. Obviously he forgot to turn it around but in the end it wasn't his fault entirely.
Yep. Even though Mr Irwin should have switched the cabin pressurisation switch back, it's ultimately the flight crew's responsibility to ensure the aircraft is correctly configured before takeoff. Misinterpreting the warnings definitely didn't help either.
@@exsandgrounder Yes, but unfortunately the pressurization system is not a part of the takeoff configuration, and thus not the takeoff config warning system.
@@speedbird9313all pilots are required to go through before and after takeoff checklists. in the pre-flight checklists it's required that pilots check what setting the cabin pressurisation switch is on. these pilots didn't do it
@@Kareena1988no it isn't. when you're flying what is basically a flying tin can that could kill everyone on board if something went wrong it's required to go through the checklists properly
@@jess_lol4579You have to understand how mediocre the average person is. Thats what leads people to say things like “it’s normal”. The average person simply doesn’t have the discipline or care. It’s definitely not normal or human at that elite level of what should be professionalism.
The amount of mistakes that happened in insane. They should have to mark switched they moved with tags to remind themselves, the pilot barely speaking English when it's universally required for flying was inexcusable, and them not even noticing during the pre-light check makes you wonder if they were even trained.
The pilot was probably quite good at the English required for interactions with air traffic controllers, else he wouldn't have racked up nearly 17000 flight hours.
I'll always remember that day. The plane flew right above us with the f16 following and crashed very close to where i was at the time. As i was leaving a few minutes after, i saw the place it crashed, the smoke and firemen. My heart sunk.
One of the worst cases of "experienced" pilot incompetence I ever saw. How did the switch get overlooked during the pilot takeoff checklist??? Did they actually do the checklist? Alarms were mis-interpreted or ignored, Even when the O2 masks dropped they kept climbing! IMO, even a non pilot would know to descend. Then they charge the maintenance person. I guess there was no one else left to blame. And why I no longer fly?? Take a good guess.
Here me out : A "panic button" for pilots to activate AI assistance in emergency situations. With an option to regain control but the point is to take over when a pilot feels he is behind the plane/ out of control.
@@jobjongebloet to even train an ai to the complexities of an aircraft is incredibly difficult, especially with the bullshit thats going on with ai, and blunders it makes with simple prompts, let alone a million different procedures and variables.
@@jazim9489but I bet if all the measurement data was passed into a trained Ai, it could identify the problem more consistently than any pilot could. I have doubts about it actually flying the plane, but from the plane crash videos I’ve watched? Yeah it could for sure put two and two together better than any of the pilots in the crashes.
@@Aviationaccidents I certainly did, another enjoyable video (although I was fully familiar with what downed Helios 522), not that that removed anything from the experience
The thought if everyone slowly passing out while not being able to comprehend what was going on, and somehow that one guy surviving for that long alone is terrifying, genuinely one of the scariest crashes ever
What a tremendously well put together video with excellent facts and effects for everyone to see and ive seen alot of similar ones but this is great well done!
This is the best video I've seen on this haunting aircraft tragedy. Hadn't heard the F-16 pilot's mayday audio nor seen actual post-crash video before.
So this is literally just the pilots fault. the maintenance guy could have switched literally every single switch just for fun because what do we have pre-flight checks for???
Amazing how much technology these planes have but the manufacturers cant make it more obvious when there is an issue a simple audio verbal warning could of stopped this
there WAS an audo verbal warning, but it was the same one as another audio verbal warning, thats why it caused them to get confused, although the verbal warnings arent closely related.
@@GiveToastBacki think that’s what they meant. if the audio cue was more specific like those terrain warnings they would’ve immediately known what was wrong
@@GiveToastBackwhich is precisely the issue. They could have had a voice over say it? They could have had distinct audio warnings? But they chose to use the same audio warning for two very different situations.
Another first rate video. Amazing amount of depth and effort collating schematics coupled with real audio footage. Thankyou so much . On the subject of the story itself , amazing how many key warnings the pilots missed starting with missing the pressurisation switch was set to manual. Like in any other theatre it does make you wonder how likely it is for pilots to get so blase when running through preflight checklists missing key settings with fatal consequences or if there are procedures in place as safety nets to ensure vital anomalies aren't missed ?
My math teacher was on this flight. I remember when they announced this accident when I was in school. Concurrently, my neighbour happened to cancel his flight. It really is down to luck sometimes.
Honestly, if I were the ground engineer and a pilot would disregard my question about "Is the pressurization set to auto?", I'd force him to put on the oxygen mask before literally anything else.
@@GiveToastBack: Nonetheless, I would at least hope that if you emphasised that enough, it might hopefully set in, hopefully before it's too late (which it might have been anyway). Of course, all of this is easy to say now, when you see how the very incident played out...
I'm quite comfortable with and used to watching tragic incidents but this one was beyond heartbreaking. Everything that led up to the untimely ending was straight out of a horror movie.
Hang on, even I'm thinking "why test this at ground level as the temperature isn't cold enough to freeze the seal, which is what they were reporting"??
As a 737 type rated pilot, I wonder how or what has to happen in order to forget to check that. Checklists go over it multiple times and SOP's in all companies as well... for sure is a big case of negligence.
People ultimately aren’t perfect that’s why there needs to be several layers of protection against something like this, there shouldn’t be one person responsible for a checklist
The ground engineer that tested the pressurization system and left its switch in manual was also the one who spoke with the pilot and asked him if the switch was in the auto position. If the pilot had still be coherent at that time it could’ve been easily corrected at the last minute. It should’ve been noticed and corrected during the ground check by the flight officers though since it was on the preflight check list and the ground engineer wouldn’t have suffered the crew and passengers’ fate at his own hand.
F-16s have a system that prevents G-LOC crashes (when a pilot loses consciousness due to hard maneuvers) that triggers automatically if the plane is diving towards the ground and no input is made by the pilot for a certain amount of time. It levels the aircraft and prevents ground collision. Couldn't a system that descends the plane automatically to 10,000ft in case of depressurization and no input is made to correct be implemented? Could also be aligned with terrain atltitude charts so that the auto pilot could plot a safe descent vector. That would allow for crew and passenger survival. Hypoxia makes you lose counsciousness at first but only kills you if you are exposed to a low oxygen atmosphere for too long. A system like this could yeld better chances of survival in the case of a silent outflow valve failure and the pilots failure to notice. I get that the installation of a dedicated warning light helps, but wouldn't the loss of cognitive functions possibly impair the pilot's judgement?
Either lack of training or just something going on with the pilots, its not the first time accidents caused by something like pilot error happened, there are times where captains could be as experienced as 20000 flying hours and still make the most basic mistakes
Man this one sucks, how can the mech be charged when it wasn’t necessarily in their procedure to change back to auto after a test? Ridiculous Added to the fact this was part of pre flight checklist and has sufficient warnings from on board Sadly pilots at fault .. would like to know more info about the guy that managed to get into the cockpit
Agree but he shouldn't have stated that he turned it to AUTO pressurisation. He shouldhave stated truth that he possibly did leave it MAN and that it wasn't in checklist to switch back to AUTO after tests.
@@gofigure8 agree there, I guess he panicked but he should’ve just told the truth I don’t know the wording either, could he have been advised by a lawyer to state “to the best of my recollection I believed it to be on auto” etc.
The CVR recording enabled investigators to identify Andreas Prodromou as the flight attendant who entered the cockpit in order to try to save the plane. He was a trained pilot; however, he was never trained on a Boeing 737. He called "MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS HELIOS FLIGHT 522 ATHENS"
@@SystemExplore would love to know the time discrepancy here between the emergency occurring and him gaining access to the cockpit and his hypothetical actions inbetween .. e.g. why is the only one not incapacitated at that time?
The pilots had multiple chances to figure out what the issue was and solve it before take off and in mid flight, but the missed every one of them. This is negligence on their behalf and caused the death of every one on the flight.
How do you even rationalize that? That’s an unbelievable coping statement. If the ground engineer 1. Actually did his job instead of being lazy, he could have determined that there was an actual leak. Not only that but 2. He could have finished his original lazy work by flipping the switch back to auto. The fault began with the engineer.
@@Silverarrows445While the engineer should have set the switch back to its usual position, I would say it's the flight crew's responsibility to configure the aircraft correctly before takeoff and to act on the warning systems in the correct manner. Boeing, for its part, could probably have done a better job with the aircraft design too (and hopefully the recommended changes have made a difference).
Great documentation, I really like your voice which is Ideal for such a documentation. What I ask myself why did the one survivor waited so long to go into the cockpit + how could he survive this long in the airplane?
Everything about this scenario is heartbreaking. I cant imagine the overwhelming feeling of guilt engineer Irwin would have felt, and still would feel today over his mistake. Its easy to blame him but we all make mistakes as humans. The final moments of the flight attendant must have been filled with fear and dread. I cant imagine how difficult it would have been for him seeing people slowly become unconscious and die around him. Finally getting into the flight deck and seeing the Captain on the floor and First Officer slumped over would have been so confronting followed almost immediately by the engine flaming out. At the airline I work for (as a flight attendant) we must enter the flight deck during a decompression if the aircraft doesnt make a descent after 1-2 minutes. Im a big believer in flight attendants being trained to use the radios and even some basic flying lessons provided by the airline would be beneficial. The dread in the F16 pilot's voice after witnessing the crash and knowing someone had tried to stop the end result happening but not knowing if they'd survived or not. Everything about this flight is sad but has absolutely helped strengthen aviation safety.
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@@domanceeowhy not its free
@@Eddo15878 The reason for other people might be that it needs a lot of time or money and that every third video has add for it. But for me reason is that this game is russian and I don't want to support the war in my country
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I think it’s a small mercy that most people died without realizing what was happening. It is one of the most peaceful ways to go. You just fall asleep and never wake up. That lone person is the only one who experienced the full horror of what was going to happen to him.
Also from another video apparently you dont really feel it much when the oxygen is less than what the human would need just signs showing up then you become slowly unconcious.
@@fategdyes, because the feeling of breathlessness or suffocation is caused by an excess of CO2 in the lungs, not by a lack of oxygen.
I'll never forget that day. I was flying from Larnaca to Athens via Olympic Airways a few hours after the Helios plane crashed. I was bumped to business class because the flight was full of relatives from the Helios plane. I was sat next to a lady that cried through the entire flight. I kept thinking of what to say to her to try and comfort her but I never uttered a word to her. I just didn't know what to say. Every year around this time, I think of that lady.
The fact that the aircraft flew for 2 hours with all except one of its occupants dead is horrifying
25-year-old flight attendant Andreas Prodromou was a hero and tried to save the plane. 😢💔🇨🇾🇨🇾🇨🇾
@@StephenLuke He truly was
@@pablorubio8287 An event like that happened back in 1999 when Payne Stewart’s Learjet suffered the same fate. 😢💔
I doubt that
@@MrStian78 Doubt about what? Is there a problem?
I can only imagine the horror the engineer felt when he said "can you confirm that the pressurisation panel is set to auto?". He worked out that the pilot's incoherent complaints were the result of hypoxia.
If he did he would have told the pilots to immediately reduce altitude.
Had it not been for the language issue with the previous guy talking he may have gotten there sooner.
Him asking that even one minute earlier may have saved everyone.
the video makes clear that is not what happened.
Wasn't it proven by flight data that he lied about the switch being put back to auto? So maybe he realized his mistake and that's why he was asking.
The only thing I can say is I think no one suffered except for the guy that saved it from crashing into the town, hes a hero for that, rip to all, simple mistake turned tragic
Well, not even a simple mistake. A series of serious mistakes. Forgetting to switch something back is quite literally expected to happen. In manufacturing, default state is holy and have to be perfect for everything to start, you have to program everything such that every switch has to be in the correct position to even start something. Having such a switch, one that can cause a tragedy and not having a dozen barriers in front of its actions is insane. It goes against everything I studies in a different, less dangerous field. Then you have language issues, warnings obscuring each other, negligence, it's horrid.
That's not a simple mistake. That were multiple huge mistakes. It is absolutely insane this happened at all. So many human errors.
@@whatevernamegoeshere3644im honestly surprised that there isnt an automatic check for every single switch and the board computer throwing warnings if one or more of them are not in the expected state for takeoff. This could mitigate human error, and I‘d rather have a computer causing a flight delay, than this.
I was at a beach near Athens and saw it pass above, I remember because I found the aircraft was lower than usual as there is a mountain behind and the sound of the aircraft was not normal too. It crashed in the mountains behind the beach. Half an hour after all cellphones on the beach were ringing like crazy
So sad...😢
They were ringing as an alarm or it was the phones of passengers whim were receiving calls?
@@Septarix no the phones of friends of family telling people on the beach what happened a few kilometers behind us. And probably to leave the beach asap as they were going to close down roads
Thats crazy!
The F16 pilot's voice is so heartbreaking
Having to all of process that while continuing to aviate is such a mindbender i'm sure
Yes 😢😢😢
@@KidMotor No kidding.. watching it happen, having to radio back, comprehending everything all while flying a sensitive aircraft
Indeed
That F-16 pilot's Mayday call was heartwrenching to hear and I can just imagine how he felt transmitting that Mayday call whilst he was not the one crashing. How do pilots who knows they're doomed feels as the voice of this F-16 pilot is haunting for me.
The volunteer pilot nearly saved the flight, sadly, it was just a bit too late. But he turned the flight away from the densely populated Athens area, if I understand this correctly. This likely saved many lives on the ground. This is so very tragic.
Sorry, but that is incorrect wikipedia information. The aircraft banked left after engine 1 flamed out. According to the accident report there was any signs of any control input except trying to pull up right before impact.
It was not about time. This Andreas had no flight licence for huge planes, just a small one. Thats is why he couldnt do anything but look for a place to let it fall
@@Kareena1988 Wouldnt call the 737 a huge plane tho🫢😆
@@speedbird9313 why not?
@@speedbird9313Is this an apt place for a joke?
TL;DR Basically, a mechanic turned on the "Everybody Dies" switch in order to test for a pressure leak, and the pilot never checked to turn off the "Everybody Dies" switch as part of the takeoff checklist.
That and mechanic did not check the "everyone dies" logs to see if there was a risk that "everyone dies" when the switch is not set to off.
@@FireFish5000it's not the engineers job to make sure the pilots go through before and after takeoff checklists properly. every pilot on every airline is required to do it. these pilots just didn't do it properly
@@jess_lol4579 So the mechanics/engineers screwed up by leaving a switch on that would kill everyone, pilots were the backup system to check that the mechanics/engineers didn't do anything dumb?
@@FireFish5000
Something about the way the flight attendant pointed to the F16 that they were going down and he couldn’t stop it destroyed me. He knew he was on limited time at that point and had to come to terms with the horror. It was a case of everything going wrong. The missed switch, hypoxia already getting the pilots, the flight attendant waking up but making it into the cabin minutes too late. If he had woken on the 3rd hold when there was still fuel and engines, how different it might be 😭
You dont wake up in the exact same environment that you lost your consciousness in🤪
The production quality of your videos are amazing ,your channel deserves more growth
Thanks!
@@Aviationaccidents Your welcome
The only good thing is that the unconscious people on board, all except the volunteer pilot, wouldn’t have had to experience the terror of knowing they were going to crash. It’s not much consolation, I know, to those who love them.
No volunteer pilot, only a FA.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Helios Airways Flight 522
Great video! I learned new things about that accident.
It's crazy how close they were to solving it, but sadly hypoxia had already set in.
The charges against that mechanic were really harsh, IMO. His mistake would have been without consequences had the pilots addressed the issue correctly. Living with the deaths of all on board must be enough to bear.
based on the time when I'm still playing the sim, you have to set something in that panel, I think they should've seen it
This was ALL on the pilot. He didn't check the switch. He ignored multiple warnings.
@@jtc1964x EXACTLY
"His mistake would have been without consequences had the pilots addressed the issue correctly" -- True, but they could use the same defense. Though one could certainly argue that it was their responsibility to ensure that the airplane was in a safe configuration.
@@Elite7555 True
One of the saddest stories of aviation history.
The quality of your videos is extraordinary, by the way. Keep it up!
Thanks! Will do!
Irwin was charged with 121 counts of manslaughter seems a bit unfair to me. Obviously he forgot to turn it around but in the end it wasn't his fault entirely.
Yeah
Yeah..sounds like a Roland Freisler kind of trial🤨 Luckily it was changed.
He forgot to turn i back by the way, not around😉
Yep. Even though Mr Irwin should have switched the cabin pressurisation switch back, it's ultimately the flight crew's responsibility to ensure the aircraft is correctly configured before takeoff. Misinterpreting the warnings definitely didn't help either.
@@exsandgrounder Yes, but unfortunately the pressurization system is not a part of the takeoff configuration, and thus not the takeoff config warning system.
@@speedbird9313all pilots are required to go through before and after takeoff checklists. in the pre-flight checklists it's required that pilots check what setting the cabin pressurisation switch is on. these pilots didn't do it
Very sad crash and was unnecessary too. Just shows how small things can lead to devastating outcomes
So the "grumpy" pilot breezed over the checklist and condemned them all.
Its human
@@Kareena1988no it isn't. when you're flying what is basically a flying tin can that could kill everyone on board if something went wrong it's required to go through the checklists properly
@@jess_lol4579You have to understand how mediocre the average person is. Thats what leads people to say things like “it’s normal”.
The average person simply doesn’t have the discipline or care.
It’s definitely not normal or human at that elite level of what should be professionalism.
I almost cried watching this..
RIP to all souls on board and that brave man for the last terrifying minutes of his life.
The amount of mistakes that happened in insane. They should have to mark switched they moved with tags to remind themselves, the pilot barely speaking English when it's universally required for flying was inexcusable, and them not even noticing during the pre-light check makes you wonder if they were even trained.
The pilot was probably quite good at the English required for interactions with air traffic controllers, else he wouldn't have racked up nearly 17000 flight hours.
I'll always remember that day. The plane flew right above us with the f16 following and crashed very close to where i was at the time. As i was leaving a few minutes after, i saw the place it crashed, the smoke and firemen. My heart sunk.
This channel is extremely underated
Thanks! Really appreciate that!
@@Aviationaccidents it's true ❤
wow such small mistakes took so many lives
One of the worst cases of "experienced" pilot incompetence I ever saw. How did the switch get overlooked during the pilot takeoff checklist??? Did they actually do the checklist? Alarms were mis-interpreted or ignored, Even when the O2 masks dropped they kept climbing! IMO, even a non pilot would know to descend. Then they charge the maintenance person. I guess there was no one else left to blame. And why I no longer fly?? Take a good guess.
Exactly that's what the GOP and Donald Trump are doing they have no one else to blame smh
Here me out : A "panic button" for pilots to activate AI assistance in emergency situations. With an option to regain control but the point is to take over when a pilot feels he is behind the plane/ out of control.
@@jobjongebloet to even train an ai to the complexities of an aircraft is incredibly difficult, especially with the bullshit thats going on with ai, and blunders it makes with simple prompts, let alone a million different procedures and variables.
@jazim9489 but it's still better than nothing, and could potentially use llm stuff to activately communicate with the tower
@@jazim9489but I bet if all the measurement data was passed into a trained Ai, it could identify the problem more consistently than any pilot could. I have doubts about it actually flying the plane, but from the plane crash videos I’ve watched? Yeah it could for sure put two and two together better than any of the pilots in the crashes.
A new video, just as my dinner's ready, perfect
Hope you enjoy!
@@Aviationaccidents I certainly did, another enjoyable video (although I was fully familiar with what downed Helios 522), not that that removed anything from the experience
Your videos are always worth the watch,you soothing voice is just "chef's kiss"
Thanks!
The thought if everyone slowly passing out while not being able to comprehend what was going on, and somehow that one guy surviving for that long alone is terrifying, genuinely one of the scariest crashes ever
Much incompetence with this one.. could you imagine being that guy that woke up to a ghost flight & inevitable crash?
The quality in your vidoes are amazing, I learn so much about aviation just from watching them.
Thanks a lot!
What a tremendously well put together video with excellent facts and effects for everyone to see and ive seen alot of similar ones but this is great well done!
Wow, thank you!
This is the best video I've seen on this haunting aircraft tragedy. Hadn't heard the F-16 pilot's mayday audio nor seen actual post-crash video before.
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So this is literally just the pilots fault. the maintenance guy could have switched literally every single switch just for fun because what do we have pre-flight checks for???
Gross pilot error; yes. But do you think that pre-flight checks are for checking every position of every switch?? 🤷🏻♂️
@@speedbird9313 yes, that is quite literally what they are for. else why would the “check the pressure switch” be in the pre-flight check.
@@Martin-kv3th So if I pulled some circuit breakers and just pushed some randome buttons, that would be just fine because they have checklists?
@@speedbird9313 As long as it's pre-flight, yes
@@gabrielc7861 You dont work anywhere near aviation, do you? 🤨
The fact I’m suddenly watching this on August 13 is truly creepy
I am watching it on 15th August
18th
Such a good TH-cam channel, love the narrator, RIP victims
Thanks!
That steward was a warrior. RIP
You mean flight attendant 😅
It’s a role with different names depending on where you’re from
@@ntcrawford722 I don’t think his job title is that important
Amazing how much technology these planes have but the manufacturers cant make it more obvious when there is an issue a simple audio verbal warning could of stopped this
there WAS an audo verbal warning, but it was the same one as another audio verbal warning, thats why it caused them to get confused, although the verbal warnings arent closely related.
@@GiveToastBacki think that’s what they meant. if the audio cue was more specific like those terrain warnings they would’ve immediately known what was wrong
@@GiveToastBackwhich is precisely the issue. They could have had a voice over say it? They could have had distinct audio warnings? But they chose to use the same audio warning for two very different situations.
Another first rate video. Amazing amount of depth and effort collating schematics coupled with real audio footage. Thankyou so much . On the subject of the story itself , amazing how many key warnings the pilots missed starting with missing the pressurisation switch was set to manual. Like in any other theatre it does make you wonder how likely it is for pilots to get so blase when running through preflight checklists missing key settings with fatal consequences or if there are procedures in place as safety nets to ensure vital anomalies aren't missed ?
Thanks!
My math teacher was on this flight. I remember when they announced this accident when I was in school.
Concurrently, my neighbour happened to cancel his flight. It really is down to luck sometimes.
I’m sorry to hear that. 😢💔
It was tragic...may they rest in peace 🙏
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Thats strange, two coincidences? Google says your account was not created in Greece but if what you are saying is true then hope things get better.
@christianplay4041 I am from Cyprus, and we're closely related to Greece.
This is the best aviation analysis channel on youtube. Deserves way more engagement
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Honestly, if I were the ground engineer and a pilot would disregard my question about "Is the pressurization set to auto?", I'd force him to put on the oxygen mask before literally anything else.
Of course you would….🤨
good luck trying to tell that to a disorentiated pilot who's first language isnt english.
@@GiveToastBack: Nonetheless, I would at least hope that if you emphasised that enough, it might hopefully set in, hopefully before it's too late (which it might have been anyway). Of course, all of this is easy to say now, when you see how the very incident played out...
wow , just for a minute i thought there was going to be a happy ending
This is not Hollywood
I'm quite comfortable with and used to watching tragic incidents but this one was beyond heartbreaking. Everything that led up to the untimely ending was straight out of a horror movie.
This is one of the worst air crash ever, they didn’t have a chance to see what was coming ahead :(
It is also the deadliest aviation accident in Greek history. 😢💔🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
They did have a chance to hear what was coming ahead 12:36 irwin asked them.
@@alex_zetsu by that time, they had unfortunately already succumbed to hypoxia.
The biggest thing that gets me with these videos is not knowing the outcome till the end of the video.
Hypoxia saved the horror for all but one in this crash. That’s a small consolation. But nonetheless tragic.
Hang on, even I'm thinking "why test this at ground level as the temperature isn't cold enough to freeze the seal, which is what they were reporting"??
Thats a good point actually
May all those who sadly perished Rest In Eternal Peace - May all their families and loved ones find Comfort & Peace - 19 Years Today - 14.08.24
I like the way your present and comment on these vids. Nice work
I appreciate that!
If planes have Pull Up Pull Up or Terrain Terrain why not have Oxygen Oxygen as a verbal warning also ?
How did he get into the cockpit ?
Because this was an Boeing from the early 80’s with no EICAS
Amazing work! Rip to all those people
This is so sad. You can never fully trust even well trained people to do their jobs correctly.
As a 737 type rated pilot, I wonder how or what has to happen in order to forget to check that. Checklists go over it multiple times and SOP's in all companies as well... for sure is a big case of negligence.
@@realslimshaco8550 This is probably one of those situations that created new rules, and what not.
you can never trust a boeing. lol
Because we are human
People ultimately aren’t perfect that’s why there needs to be several layers of protection against something like this, there shouldn’t be one person responsible for a checklist
Another master piece to watch while eating!
Enjoy!
I watched about 3 other videos on Helios, but this is the best.
Anyway, RIP lost lives of Helios flight 522😢
Nothing more horrific than a Ghost flight
The quality of this video is amazing 💯. Props to the video editing and MSFS team
Glad you enjoyed it!
I loved this one, Wouter! Great work!
Thanks mate!
Great video like always 😊
Thank you so much 😀
Excellent video. More please.
The ground engineer that tested the pressurization system and left its switch in manual was also the one who spoke with the pilot and asked him if the switch was in the auto position. If the pilot had still be coherent at that time it could’ve been easily corrected at the last minute. It should’ve been noticed and corrected during the ground check by the flight officers though since it was on the preflight check list and the ground engineer wouldn’t have suffered the crew and passengers’ fate at his own hand.
Why by the first officer? 🤔
those pilots were not experienced and trained enough to fly those planes.
@@akianaaki4209 You dont know what you are talking about. The problem was complacency, not lack of experience.
@@speedbird9313 they didn't follow the check procedures as some people saying here it could've been easy corrected
@@akianaaki4209 Them rushing checklists had nothing to do with lack of experience.
F-16s have a system that prevents G-LOC crashes (when a pilot loses consciousness due to hard maneuvers) that triggers automatically if the plane is diving towards the ground and no input is made by the pilot for a certain amount of time. It levels the aircraft and prevents ground collision. Couldn't a system that descends the plane automatically to 10,000ft in case of depressurization and no input is made to correct be implemented? Could also be aligned with terrain atltitude charts so that the auto pilot could plot a safe descent vector. That would allow for crew and passenger survival. Hypoxia makes you lose counsciousness at first but only kills you if you are exposed to a low oxygen atmosphere for too long. A system like this could yeld better chances of survival in the case of a silent outflow valve failure and the pilots failure to notice. I get that the installation of a dedicated warning light helps, but wouldn't the loss of cognitive functions possibly impair the pilot's judgement?
Excellent video again. Best aviation channel by far!
Excellent video!
Thank you! Cheers!
I dug a little deeper into this and the mystery pilot was flight attendant Andreas Prodromou!
they did say that in the video.
The incompetency of the crew is shocking
The Narrator's voice amazed me
knew about this flight before already but this still hurts to watch. rest in peace people on the plane :(
One of the saddest cases.
quality videos, love this content🤩
Thank you!
How did the experiencet Pilots do so many mistakes this is insane
Either lack of training or just something going on with the pilots, its not the first time accidents caused by something like pilot error happened, there are times where captains could be as experienced as 20000 flying hours and still make the most basic mistakes
Pretty insane. Excellent video.
Thanks for watching
respect to that guy that just tried to save everyones lives but failed😢😢 he tried😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
The fact that if the man had realized earlier what had happened' he couldve probably saved the plane
Cabin oxygen masks drops automatically at 12000ft, the cabin crew kind of take notice of that😉
Condolences to the victims of flight Helios airways 522
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Incredible, tragic, preventable event. Really good video.
This channel is very informative. Subscribed!
May the man who saved the flight be remembered as a hero who died trying to save everyone else
Unfortunately nobody saved the flight.
@@speedbird9313 he did save the town from getting obliterated, though.
@@GiveToastBack No, he didnt.
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121 counts of manslaughter for forgetting to turn a knob.. man I really feel for this guy..
Roland Freisler kind of trial it seems😒
It was however changed.
My new favourite channel. The quality and production is the best on youtube. May I ask who the narrator is?
Man this one sucks, how can the mech be charged when it wasn’t necessarily in their procedure to change back to auto after a test? Ridiculous
Added to the fact this was part of pre flight checklist and has sufficient warnings from on board
Sadly pilots at fault .. would like to know more info about the guy that managed to get into the cockpit
Agree but he shouldn't have stated that he turned it to AUTO pressurisation. He shouldhave stated truth that he possibly did leave it MAN and that it wasn't in checklist to switch back to AUTO after tests.
Not being able to communicate coherently in English was major contributing factor.
@@gofigure8 agree there, I guess he panicked but he should’ve just told the truth
I don’t know the wording either, could he have been advised by a lawyer to state “to the best of my recollection I believed it to be on auto” etc.
The CVR recording enabled investigators to identify Andreas Prodromou as the flight attendant who entered the cockpit in order to try to save the plane. He was a trained pilot; however, he was never trained on a Boeing 737. He called "MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS HELIOS FLIGHT 522 ATHENS"
@@SystemExplore would love to know the time discrepancy here between the emergency occurring and him gaining access to the cockpit and his hypothetical actions inbetween .. e.g. why is the only one not incapacitated at that time?
The pilots had multiple chances to figure out what the issue was and solve it before take off and in mid flight, but the missed every one of them. This is negligence on their behalf and caused the death of every one on the flight.
Top quality videos ❤
Thank you 🙌
this is one of the worst disasters to me, so unfortunate its mind boggling.
I'm heart broken for Andreas and the fighter pilots. Knowing something terrible is about to happen but you can do nothing to stop it
It wasnt the fault of the ground engineer, it was just a series of failures by crew
Ultimately yes.
How do you even rationalize that? That’s an unbelievable coping statement. If the ground engineer 1. Actually did his job instead of being lazy, he could have determined that there was an actual leak. Not only that but 2. He could have finished his original lazy work by flipping the switch back to auto. The fault began with the engineer.
@@Silverarrows445 checking the pressurization switch was set to auto before take-off was the pilots job as mentioned in the video.
@@Silverarrows445 It's the job of pilots to check settings before they fly.As stated, this item is in their checklist and they skipped it
@@Silverarrows445While the engineer should have set the switch back to its usual position, I would say it's the flight crew's responsibility to configure the aircraft correctly before takeoff and to act on the warning systems in the correct manner. Boeing, for its part, could probably have done a better job with the aircraft design too (and hopefully the recommended changes have made a difference).
What a horrible moment for all of them, especially for the last person that was still alive and tried to survive, I can only imagine his last thoughts
extremely good channel, mate! Incredibly well explained. +1 sub!
Much appreciated!
Definitely the best way to end the weekend
Couldn't agree more
Sad to see that many warnings or buttons or procedures in aviation (and everywhere) came just after fatal crashes :(
This is how people learn.
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Pleaaaseeee make more! I love this series ❤❤❤
Will do!
This was the deadliest crash in greece😔
Great documentation, I really like your voice which is Ideal for such a documentation.
What I ask myself why did the one survivor waited so long to go into the cockpit + how could he survive this long in the airplane?
Everything about this scenario is heartbreaking.
I cant imagine the overwhelming feeling of guilt engineer Irwin would have felt, and still would feel today over his mistake. Its easy to blame him but we all make mistakes as humans.
The final moments of the flight attendant must have been filled with fear and dread. I cant imagine how difficult it would have been for him seeing people slowly become unconscious and die around him. Finally getting into the flight deck and seeing the Captain on the floor and First Officer slumped over would have been so confronting followed almost immediately by the engine flaming out.
At the airline I work for (as a flight attendant) we must enter the flight deck during a decompression if the aircraft doesnt make a descent after 1-2 minutes. Im a big believer in flight attendants being trained to use the radios and even some basic flying lessons provided by the airline would be beneficial.
The dread in the F16 pilot's voice after witnessing the crash and knowing someone had tried to stop the end result happening but not knowing if they'd survived or not.
Everything about this flight is sad but has absolutely helped strengthen aviation safety.
Of course it had to be a Boeing 😢
Plenty of Airbus disasters have happened as well, look up Air France 447.
these two pilots were incredibly incompetent it's amazing they were able to take the plane off