Speaking of Legion, Jeff, I just finished watching your interview on _Chris Miller Cycling_ posted over this past weekend. It was a great discussion but I found it exceptionally interesting to hear your viewpoints on Legion’s racing strategy and - for lack of a better word for it - style, when it comes to team racing dynamics. It’s something that rarely gets put out there for analysis on mainstream media, but it should be heard and seen. Your insight holds significant weight, IMO, and I certainly hope to see Chris and Jesse having you on more often.
Ryan is a stud!! Not only is he very powerful and possess great bike handling skills, he's also a very smart racer the way he followed the L39ION riders at the start, didn't panic when L39ION started their game playing in the break & bridged to the lapped rider group and then rode behind his team knowing he would need his strength for the sprint....PLEASE, PLEASE don't race for L39ION if they make you an offer, you're too good for them.
WHAT A RACE!!! I CANT BELIEVE I WAS HERE TO WATCH THIS - I FANGIRLED SO HARD Jeff it was amazing to see you!!! Such a banger race from Ryan and what a finish
Ryan is such a badass. Some of those corners were nuts. Hitting that hill out of the breakaway and getting up 36mph....uphill. Damn. Mountain bikers make the best road bikers.
Can you do a video on the crit racing scene in general. Like do all these dudes have other jobs, what’s their average age? Is the entire sport mostly weekend warriors? How are they getting their hands on $10,000 bikes? What’s the prize purse scene like in the USA? Thank you.
@@arch417powersports most racers in these have normal jobs and make no money from racing. An average P/1/2 race is 99% cat 1 and cat 2, and even the pros don't generally make much from racing. It's an expensive sport - not just the bikes, but eating 3500 calories per day, driving hundreds of miles to race every weekend, etc. I probably spent $10k per year on racing (cat 2), not counting buying a bike (which I got second hand for like 2 grand).
Why would anyone make racing their day job? You’re basically praying to be good enough to one day own the bike you are forced to ride, over just getting a day job and being able to just buy whatever bike(s) that you want to ride.
What's not shown in the video is the late-race attack by two riders. I assumed they were from the breakaway that lapped the field (thus going for the 1st and 2nd place) and was surprised the Mike's Bikes team did not make an effort to bring them back. I guess they were not part of the breakaway and were going after 5th and 6th place then? It's cool that the team kept their cool and recognized they were not a threat.
I'm just your average NorCal bicycle commuter and happened to stumble upon this kind of content, where should I keep an eye out for such races in my locality (San Francisco). These races look very thrilling!
You forgot to mention that Team Legion were riding on their newly 2023 Specialized Allez Sprint aluminum bikes, I love my aluminum CANNONDALE’S by the way @NorCal Cycling ! Kudos for them, you can still race aluminum machines & get results 🚴🏾🚴🏾🚴🏾💨🔥
Incredible race!! I have learned so much from this channel and can’t thank everyone involved enough. I am wondering what app/software you use to get the more in depth analysis of statistics? Is that a web Strava feature, or another software altogether? Thanks!
Hi...I am new to the cycling world. I would have loved to come and watch the race, but knew absolutely nothing about it. How do I find out about races like this BEFORE they actually happen, and not after? Another thing is, I know that advertising is expensive, but isn't that what the sponsors are for? I have never seen one advertisement for crit racing anywhere. How can the sport become more noticed and grow when no one knows about it? The funny thing is that I never see any advertising for the TDF or any other pro races on television, but perhaps it is just me......
can someone explain to me the legion hype. I thought they were crit gods but two days ago i saw them racing at the fast zuricrit race and they were fighting to hold wheels and even got laped from a single rider without teammates...
Newb question: How are folks like Jeff and Dylan Johnson getting the view of their strava data that shows average power and normalized power like the one presented in this video? That's not the default view on Strava (at least that I can find), so is this using some other third party app? Or do I just not know where to look on strava?
Good save with the SIDE CAMERA FOOTAGE. I still invite you to come up to Sacramento any Saturday for the River ride: th-cam.com/video/Ek_TL7pruTg/w-d-xo.html
Taking a win against Legion in any form or fashion is a feat in itself, but man you really have it in for Legion after Justin grinded your team down by himself at crit nationals several years ago.
L39GION had 2 riders in the race that the day before rode well in the road race. MikesBikes had 5-6 riders vs 2 L39GION riders. Is that the way to beat L39GION. 2vs6?
Yeah, rules are rules, but using your laped teammates to win, I wouldn't be too proud of that, especially because it doesn't happen often. Respect to you for riding hard and lapping the field tho.
Super star, really? With all do respect some of you domestic racers take things a little too serious. Crit racing is unique to the US, wonder how these American "pros" would do in Europe? The term "pro" is used oftentimes. I'm curious, what sort of money does a domestic "pro" contract average. Do these contracts include equipment, clothing, travel expenses?
Probably about as well as when you lot come to the US to pretend you can play basketball. Sports are about money because money means development. And cycling is one of the most expensive and pompously elitist sports of all. Even World Tour teams are on a hierarchy for this very reason. Put budget caps in place with profit sharing as in other sports and then see the result 20-30 years down the line. But we know that won't happen because Euros would lose their advantage.
@c johnson I have no idea what your trying to say? I don't play basketball and what's with the angry attitude? Just curious what a domestic pro gets paid?
@@cjohnson3836the euro basketball players are winning MVP awards - 4 of last 5 are Euros, African just won it. An American has not won MVP since Harden in 2017/18.
@@magoo2434 Gonna let you in on a little secret, MVP doesn't mean you're a great player. It can mean that. But it often means you're the least bad on a team that over-performed. It simply means you were valuable to your team's wins. Not that you're actually a great player.
Imagine if Legion showed up with 6 riders….. win a race with “TWO” Mikes Bikes riders, then make a video on “How to beat Mikes Bikes”……sounds crazy right lol….. maybe it’s to get more clicks, dunno. Enjoy the commentary, just this is not what the title really suggest. Was it the same setup the day prior when Tyler won?
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Speaking of Legion, Jeff, I just finished watching your interview on _Chris Miller Cycling_ posted over this past weekend. It was a great discussion but I found it exceptionally interesting to hear your viewpoints on Legion’s racing strategy and - for lack of a better word for it - style, when it comes to team racing dynamics. It’s something that rarely gets put out there for analysis on mainstream media, but it should be heard and seen. Your insight holds significant weight, IMO, and I certainly hope to see Chris and Jesse having you on more often.
my days are happier with norcal cycling videos
nice win. also nice to see Legion not put anyone into the barriers, but of course we all know who was absent from the race...
Spot on. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Proof?
Was it your mom?
@@Wardawg-there’s enough proof online, but the issue is the race organisers that don’t say anything about it in general.
Same thing with the UCI…
@@Wardawg-got your proof now buddy 😅
Honestly I was so pumped for you just imagining that race to the final corner. Nice one Ryan.
Ryan is a stud!! Not only is he very powerful and possess great bike handling skills, he's also a very smart racer the way he followed the L39ION riders at the start, didn't panic when L39ION started their game playing in the break & bridged to the lapped rider group and then rode behind his team knowing he would need his strength for the sprint....PLEASE, PLEASE don't race for L39ION if they make you an offer, you're too good for them.
Is this Ryan trolling? 🤔🤭
Thanks for coming out to our race this year, it was great to have you.
Jeff, Thanks for putting up some quality NORCAL stuff.
These are such great videos. The commentary is money 👍
Thank you!
"millimeter perfect on your equipment"... would love a follow up on what that means exactly
He knows how to handle his bike so well he can place it to within a millimetre of his intended target
I just realized how fast my reaction is I saw norcal posted and clicked so fast 😂
I’m with ya
Bro i did the exact same thing😂
Aero click 👈💨
When I see a 1k watts I imagine jeff saying Oh EJ there goes a thousand watts again 😅
in the wind .. drink up :)
That Race Was Pure Wow, Congrats To Ryan!
After lapping the field, Ryan moves thru the entire peleton all the way up to 4th wheel in just 1 lap!! Crazy.
WOW epic result!! Congrats on the big win guys, awesome tactics playing out.
WHAT A RACE!!! I CANT BELIEVE I WAS HERE TO WATCH THIS - I FANGIRLED SO HARD Jeff it was amazing to see you!!! Such a banger race from Ryan and what a finish
always love your videos, always entrancing viewing
Ryan is such a badass. Some of those corners were nuts. Hitting that hill out of the breakaway and getting up 36mph....uphill. Damn. Mountain bikers make the best road bikers.
Ryan is a beast bike handler!
Can't get over Roman's two different shoes.
Such a demanding course, max 203 BPM?! Insane.
Can you do a video on the crit racing scene in general. Like do all these dudes have other jobs, what’s their average age? Is the entire sport mostly weekend warriors? How are they getting their hands on $10,000 bikes? What’s the prize purse scene like in the USA? Thank you.
These guys are pro cyclists - paid through endorsements mostly. Some may have day jobs but some are training all the time. Sponsors send them bikes.
@@arch417powersports most racers in these have normal jobs and make no money from racing. An average P/1/2 race is 99% cat 1 and cat 2, and even the pros don't generally make much from racing. It's an expensive sport - not just the bikes, but eating 3500 calories per day, driving hundreds of miles to race every weekend, etc. I probably spent $10k per year on racing (cat 2), not counting buying a bike (which I got second hand for like 2 grand).
Why would anyone make racing their day job? You’re basically praying to be good enough to one day own the bike you are forced to ride, over just getting a day job and being able to just buy whatever bike(s) that you want to ride.
@@slowcyclist4324 haha I get why your nickname is slow cyclist at least :D
I live in Berkeley and watched this race!
What's not shown in the video is the late-race attack by two riders. I assumed they were from the breakaway that lapped the field (thus going for the 1st and 2nd place) and was surprised the Mike's Bikes team did not make an effort to bring them back. I guess they were not part of the breakaway and were going after 5th and 6th place then? It's cool that the team kept their cool and recognized they were not a threat.
Ryan sounds like he is really enjoying this.... 😐....🤣
Speak softly and carry a big stick
Great video Jeff.
I was going to say "a hip and shoulder" but it turns out just being an excellent rider will get a win too. Well done Ryan.
I'm just your average NorCal bicycle commuter and happened to stumble upon this kind of content, where should I keep an eye out for such races in my locality (San Francisco). These races look very thrilling!
Good clean racing. Congrats to the top four, made the break work. course looks like a butt plug but that roundabout surface sucks.
Let's get TMB out to Austin, TX to race the Driveway series. NorCal vs Tx... could almost be more heated than the SoCal vs NorCal rival, muhahaha!
You forgot to mention that Team Legion were riding on their newly 2023 Specialized Allez Sprint aluminum bikes, I love my aluminum CANNONDALE’S by the way @NorCal Cycling ! Kudos for them, you can still race aluminum machines & get results 🚴🏾🚴🏾🚴🏾💨🔥
I’m pretty sure those were SL7s, the Allez Sprint they posted on social media are the ones they gave to brosridebikes
such a fun looking course
This course was kind of hard. First time I got pulled from a race.😅
Incredible race!! I have learned so much from this channel and can’t thank everyone involved enough.
I am wondering what app/software you use to get the more in depth analysis of statistics? Is that a web Strava feature, or another software altogether? Thanks!
Lmao legion, norcal? This got to be awsome
congrats!
awesome race!
RYAN GO-MAN
what are those dope shades in the beginning of the video? 🤔🤔
PIT VIPER
@@NorCalCycling do we get a sponsor discount???
18:35 What a camera angle
Slo-mo shot at 8:10...dudes aren't even breathing!
Ahhhhh🤔’tis the reason why Legion is madddd😅😅😅
Will you guys be coming to Tulsa Tough?
what layout you use for display power and heartrate monitor
thoughts on seeing mike's bike at the lifecycle this year?
Nice W
what is Ryan's strava ?
Excuse my ignorance, I don't understand why they don't pull the field when they get lapped?
Nice
My Boy Sam_+
Hi...I am new to the cycling world. I would have loved to come and watch the race, but knew absolutely nothing about it. How do I find out about races like this BEFORE they actually happen, and not after? Another thing is, I know that advertising is expensive, but isn't that what the sponsors are for? I have never seen one advertisement for crit racing anywhere. How can the sport become more noticed and grow when no one knows about it? The funny thing is that I never see any advertising for the TDF or any other pro races on television, but perhaps it is just me......
I feel like Legion will find a way to snag Ryan off of Team Mike’s Bikes
While simultaneously attacking Jeff for explaining how Ryan won...
can someone explain to me the legion hype. I thought they were crit gods but two days ago i saw them racing at the fast zuricrit race and they were fighting to hold wheels and even got laped from a single rider without teammates...
How do refs realize who has lapped the field and who hasn't? I've done some crits, but never witnessed a field being lapped..
they recognize the riders and also write down race numbers
I imagine a lapping group or rider happens gradually over a lot of laps, the refs have plenty of time to note down the individuals.
Newb question: How are folks like Jeff and Dylan Johnson getting the view of their strava data that shows average power and normalized power like the one presented in this video? That's not the default view on Strava (at least that I can find), so is this using some other third party app? Or do I just not know where to look on strava?
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@@Wasatchwatts Thanks! Very cool!
What saddle is that at @15:51 ???
Sqlab 612 probably?
well, MitoQ just beat Legion and they're an above average squad of young guns from NZ. Really important to look beyond USA when you stroke your ego
WHATS UP LEGION!!!! 😂😂😂😂
18:35 o lawd
During an alley cat years ago, we just shoved sticks in their front wheels. Shutting the inside door < taking their foundation.
If you can’t beat ‘em, lap em.
Where are the William Brothers? Does it count as beating legion when they are not there?
yes
What sort of tire pressure are these guys on? Course looks pretty rough around the roundabout.
60-70 psi with 28mm tires
@@romankilun1527 Go Bears!
Did Ryan just wake up ?
Kind of a rough surface through that hairpin. Bit sketchy.
"No Cry Babies".
Good save with the SIDE CAMERA FOOTAGE. I still invite you to come up to Sacramento any Saturday for the River ride: th-cam.com/video/Ek_TL7pruTg/w-d-xo.html
second 😀
Thats 2 of the weakest links of Legion...
Okay…
Are you fucking joking? They are two of the strongest...they are the reason Justin and Cory win so much
Lol he beat them by several minutes
Why do you always have a flu? Have you considered getting the vax and making when higher risk?
kid is in preschool lol
Taking a win against Legion in any form or fashion is a feat in itself, but man you really have it in for Legion after Justin grinded your team down by himself at crit nationals several years ago.
i wasn't at that race, and i wasn't on TMB at that time. Also, big props to justin for that win, it was well deserved
L39GION had 2 riders in the race that the day before rode well in the road race. MikesBikes had 5-6 riders vs 2 L39GION riders. Is that the way to beat L39GION. 2vs6?
I think the way to beat legion in at least Norcal is simply Ryan Gorman. Especially if he can finally appease the flat tire gods.
Yeah, rules are rules, but using your laped teammates to win, I wouldn't be too proud of that, especially because it doesn't happen often. Respect to you for riding hard and lapping the field tho.
This makes no sense
Not only is that within the rules, it's expected.....every pro team in the USA does this. Watch Athens every year
Super star, really? With all do respect some of you domestic racers take things a little too serious. Crit racing is unique to the US, wonder how these American "pros" would do in Europe? The term "pro" is used oftentimes. I'm curious, what sort of money does a domestic "pro" contract average. Do these contracts include equipment, clothing, travel expenses?
Probably about as well as when you lot come to the US to pretend you can play basketball. Sports are about money because money means development. And cycling is one of the most expensive and pompously elitist sports of all. Even World Tour teams are on a hierarchy for this very reason. Put budget caps in place with profit sharing as in other sports and then see the result 20-30 years down the line. But we know that won't happen because Euros would lose their advantage.
@c johnson I have no idea what your trying to say? I don't play basketball and what's with the angry attitude? Just curious what a domestic pro gets paid?
@@andrewsandoz8005 Do you not have the ability to read your own writing?
[wonder how these American "pros" would do in Europe?]
@@cjohnson3836the euro basketball players are winning MVP awards - 4 of last 5 are Euros, African just won it. An American has not won MVP since Harden in 2017/18.
@@magoo2434 Gonna let you in on a little secret, MVP doesn't mean you're a great player. It can mean that. But it often means you're the least bad on a team that over-performed. It simply means you were valuable to your team's wins. Not that you're actually a great player.
Imagine if Legion showed up with 6 riders….. win a race with “TWO” Mikes Bikes riders, then make a video on “How to beat Mikes Bikes”……sounds crazy right lol….. maybe it’s to get more clicks, dunno. Enjoy the commentary, just this is not what the title really suggest. Was it the same setup the day prior when Tyler won?
legion did this at their own race
That's what Legion does almost every time. Shows up with 82 people.