I love the K-wing, and when people don't believe that the damn thing packed a quad turbolaser. "That's a capital ship weapon!" "That's the K-Wing, baybay!"
it doesn't make any sense though, look at Star Wars Cutaway: DBY-827 Heavy Dual Turbolaser Turret or at the Disney's All Terrain MegaCaliber Six crossection. Look at how much space is required to install a turbolaser on a ship. I am aware that these are both heavy turbolasers but it still makes zero sense that a 16m long ship can have a reactor and sfoils able to handle the power required and venting ability to successfully use a quad turbolaser. Even quad heavy laser cannons would be unlikely but more in a realm of possibility.
"You can't blow something up if you die first"....... I think some A Wing at Endor will disagree with you. Yeah he hit the command bridge before of destruction but the Super Star Destroyer explode later technically he died first :)
The Missile Boat is far superior to the B-Wing. Yes the B-Wing has better beam weapons than the Missile Boat, but good luck using them against a Missile Boat with its SLAM system properly utilised. In fact I would argue that, precisely because of the SLAM system, the Missile Boat is a superior starfighter to every other starfighter in the Star Wars Universe, with the exception of the K-Wing.
@@bradhedgehog12 My response was more in the context of how this video barely even touched on the SLAM system when IMHO it's arguably the most cirtical system on any starfighter in the Star Wars Universe and it really does make anything without it a second-tier starfighter - even the TIE Defender.
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: Ninty-one times. Part of me *wants* this to hit one-hundred.
Calvin Ackermann Actually, no the Tie/DF was outdated by the time the E-wing was created, also the E-wing was made to take on Tie avenger's and Tie Hunters, Equal to if not better than Tie Defenders...
@@CS-nq9sq he did a TIE/D vs E wing. E wing lost at 9 1/2 out of 10 if I'm not mistaken. Defenders were more maneuverable than hunters and avengers, better shields too. The hunter was ALMOST as fast though. And neither came close to firepower levels.
Wouldn't it be great to have a heavy bomber, who could turn invisible? Imagine how devastating it is if a bomber suddenly appears out of nowhere and unleash the entire payload in the bridge of a capitalship, only to disappear a moment later.
I love the idea of a book club. I've always wanted to get round to reading more of the huge library of legends books that exist, but it's hard to know where to start. I think a book club would provide a great solution for that, allowing relative newcomers to get started on exploring the best legends has to offer, and allowing experienced readers to relive their favourite books. Please let us know more about this!
i feel that depending on the soldier they could beat the spartans, specially some biotics since i dont think spartans have ever dealt with something that can cause mass mas distortions or singularities at will, so at range my money is on N7 biotics but close quarters the spartans take the win
Spartans would when. Personally I thin the Spartans could pretty easily beat any franchises human faction except WH40K Astartes. That is personal opinion. If they do not have the armor to withstand and/or the firepower to takedown, they lose to they guy(s) that do. Also in Lore Spartans are just unreal in their speed, strength, endurance, durability, accuracy, and so on. They are weaponized humans, not merely trained soldiers.
Unarmored Space Marine vs Armored Spartan II Round 1 The Space Marine gets a standard bolter and the spartan gets any UNSC weapon that won't one shot the space marine. Round 2 The Space Marine gets a chain sword and the spartan II gets a energy sword.
Systems Alliance Marines would beat the UNSC marines hands down: they have superior armour (full body ballstic mesh, plus ceramic armour and kinetic barriers/shields), superior weaponry (rapid-fire mass-accelerator canons even down to their side-arms), they have superior conditioning (the ME lore states that the average Alliance service-members undergoes gene therapy for improved strength and stamina) N7 Vs Spartan: That would be a tough fight. Both have technology and training that are roughly on par, though the average N7 would have access to gear that could short-circuit/overload the Spartan's gear (disruptor ammo, overload-pulse, arc-grenades), or hit them with the force of a freight-train (auto-tracking concussive rounds), or turn them into a fireball (see every explosive combo ever). It would be a close one, but I'd say the N7 would would beat the Spartan, as long as he avoided getting into a hand-to-hand brawl. Titanfall pilot: They'd just kill everyone with that damn Smart Pistol.
Just throwing this out there because i want a new project and I've enjoyed your content. I have both podcasting experience and basic literacy. Currently reading the x-wing series.
Hi EckhartsLadder this was a interesting video i like learning about ships i didn't know about. i hope you are having a nice day/night sincerely a big fan and small youtuber:)
I absolutely wish the B-Wing was better suited for dogfighting, the rotating frame and sheer firepower of the thing makes me happy. The K-wing, though... Quad Turbolaser. That's all you really need.
The reading club could be expanded into colloquium-like podcasts (with or without a livestream Q and A component) which would be a nice addition to the type of videos you already do so well :D
I'm currently re-reading the Heir To The Empire Trilogy, on Dark Force Rising. Didn't feel ready to tackle the Hunt For Red October novel yet. A Star Wars reading club for your channel is a really good idea.
The Legends Book/Reading club sounds like a great idea! I've read The Old Republic: Revan, I'm on The Last Command of The Thrawn Trilogy and then going to read the Darth Bane Trilogy next, I think it is a great idea!
Macross Frontier era defence fleet ( of frontier fleet spec but no colony ships themselves) plus SMS strike force vs Imperial Fleet at the Battle of Endor( minus death star 2) legends.
I knew this day would come. Somehow, some day, I knew if I watched this channel long enough, it would happen. I... I _agree,_ with every single point and placement on this list. I need a minute, guys, this is a bit overwhelming. (Love the Legends lore, Eckhart, and sign me up for the book club!)
I like the idea of the book club, I enjoyed the Thrawn Trilogy. However my first star wars book was The Truce At Barkura and thats what got me into Star Wars, more than the films in fact.
@@kyloren114 The Mandalorians were the only race who managed to single handedly drive the Vong off planet and as stated in the book, made them FEAR the power of Mandalore. Additionally, that was worn out Mandalorians united by Boba, not the peak battle-ready Mandalorians of KOTOR. Remember how they literally NUKED Sorroco? Yeah, the Vong would have a pretty hard time with them.
Love the reading club idea and would like to hear more about it from you. I've got a lot of the older Star wars books myself that I need to read through after getting them from car boot sales and charity shops.
Video suggestion: in all your vs. episodes no-one ever won against the Flood. You should do "What sci-fi factions from any universe could defeat the Flood?"
I loved the firepower and the versatility of the B-Wing in the expansion for X-Wing vs Tie Fighter back in the 90s. I don't know how it compares to the newer K-Wing. The K Wing lacking a hyper drive is a problme but for raw fire power, it does beat out the B Wing. The B Wing can dog fight though. It wouldn't top that spot but it can defend itself and especially when escorted. I would like to play the K Wing in a game to see how well the 2 turrets would peel fighters off of its own back. Those are my 2 that do the job the best.
The idea of SW book club is actually cool. For a while i wanted to start reading legends books but i just didn't know where to start or they weren't available for my country.
Topics like that always makes me wonder: Is Star Wars a depiction of WW2, or is it an eternally frozen WW2? The OT gives the impression of a WW2 world (fighters becoming prominent but dreadnoughts still being prominent). You have dogfights and fighter aces and the incredible destructive power of lone fighters/bombers. It always seemed like a parallel to historical development, where enormous fleets of battleships became obsolete and carriers became the new tool to project power. On the other hand, both PT and ST have extensive dreadnoughts and carriers. If Star Wars really progessed, the Empire would have used the Venator, built some super-heavy carriers and concentrated on building better fighters. But they don't. Which leads me to believe that Star Wars is just magically frozen. Sure, dogfights are cool and showing a little fighter destroying a huge superdreadnought is David vs Goliath for modern times, but it also shows that Star Wars is less of an organic universe and more a background to show cool storiy archs on. Which robs it a bit of immersion/coolness to be honest. Which leads me back to the actual topic. Heavy bombers worked for a while, because the shifting circumstances opened a quick window of opportunity. The Boing Flying Foetress worked because of the ever changing circumstances of a world war, not because they were inherently superior. And even they had to shift from day-time raids to night raids. Whereas modern strategic bombers are less focused on being heavy (because a nuke isn't that heavy) and much more focused on stealth (because AA is much deadlier). But Star Wars simply ignores that. Instead of going more fighter focused, they just buid bigger dreadnoughts. Instead of building stealthier or quicker bombers, they build slower and heavier ones. It makes actual comparisons of combat effectiveness impossible, because it lacks internal logic.
It's a bit of a mix of WW2 and Vietnam(at least the OT is). The reason why the Empire decided not to make the Venator the mainstay ship was because it didn't fit the Tarkin Doctrine. Basically it wasn't scary enough and didn't hold enough weapons. "rule through fear of force, rather than through force itself." While the Venator was an awesome(in my opinion) force projector like you said, it wasn't really meant to be a battleship.
@@anthonyanderson1367 I get that. But that still lacks progress. E.g. Germany did not care much about carriers with their only carrier getting postponed further and further. So I could see the Empire being mired in a Tarkin-doctrine show-off with every moff wanting more and bigger battleships. And the rebels should win because of that. It actually makes the setting more believable. The corrupt empire ignores the new technology and the new modern rebels adopt it and defeat the old power. BUT in Star Wars, the design of battleships apparently stopped for several thousand years, evolved significantly for a few decades and then stopped or regressed. It's just a flaw, imo. Not a huge one, but still a plothole, sacrificed to the rule of cool.
@@hafor2846 yeah... Unfortunately. However in legends there are dedicated Carriers that do appear on scene as well as better starfighters. However there are still the dreadnaughts and battleships. I tack that on to the fact that there were still superweapons and extra-galactic invaders that used heavy warships.
Question: Was Thrawn Force sensitive and he is unconsciously uses it in a different way like increasing his mental prowess or is he just a natural born genius?
Had the B-Wing been mass produced, and not been a research and development project, they would have easily replaced the X-Wing fleet in the Rebel Alliance hands down. Most versatile ship.
If there's to be a book series, I hope to see plenty of timeline variation so it doesn't drag on. Or perhaps alternate between canon/legends every other book reading. Looking forward to the project and would love to be involved.
(Apparently not so) Quick genuine question. Are the bombers from The Last Jedi really that badly designed? They get a lot of shit for apparently being a massive downgrade, but they are clearly just the heaviest heavy bombers out there, considering how a single bomber was able to take out a dreadnought. And while the open bomb bay is a clear disadvantage, they were also clearly heavily armed and would probably serve the rebellion well. Their use against the Mandator was clearly simply a very risky attack, they were in over their head and it wasn't really the bombers fault (which I have seen so many comments claim) Just to make it clear, I'm not defending the movie as a whole, it has too many major flaws for me to do so. But I thought the bombers were fairly cool and believe this is just a case of people hating the movie and therefore looking for things to call bad. so yeah, long story short, were the bombers really that bad?
The bombers themselves were not bad, but they weren’t the right ship for the job. I see those bombers more suited to a planetary bombardment role, in which they would do very well, but in episode 8 something like a b wing would probably be the better choice, but I don’t think the resistance had any available at the time.
The bombers normally aren't meant for the way they were used. As the poster said before me, they are meant for bunker bursting and other roles. If you use them in the way they are meant for, then they do their job. But in the context they were used, it was set up to fail. Poe used them in the worst possible way.
Nah they were designed like the B17. And this bombers got theyre asses kicked over germany, only the P51 mustang long range fighter minimized the losses a little. Without fighter support every heavy bomber is toast.
Hey Ecks I recently listened to Maul lockdown and Deathtroopers through audible and really enjoyed them. I was wondering if you had any other suggestions for good listens?
Lots of Y and B-wings, or an H or V-wing with maybe some Imperial or Old Republic craft like a TIE Bomber.. Forgot about the K-wing, basically the A-10 of the SW verse, but yeah think for most of us its mainly alphabet Rebel craft on this one
In my personal opinion I wouldn't consider the B wing a heavy bomber, it's a lot more of a heavy Starfighter, it's more than capable to hold it's own against a tie fighter or two, it's shields and relatively small profile makes it much better at fighter to fighter combat than a lot of other "bombers" I see the B wing as mix between a X wing and Y wing but that's just my take on it
Even with the Death Star MkIII, there’s just too many everything that the Republic owns. Even the Supremacy will fall under the fire of enough venators, and that’s not including Palpatines secret fleet
Jake Dempsey I suppose, though supposedly, the First Order is small due to only growing in the outer rim, but then again, it didn’t take much for the New Republic to bow before them...
Glad someone else gets it. The SLAM system is the most underrated starfighter system in existence in the Star Wars Universe and the Missile Boat was so badass that the Emperor had ti shelved while it was still in the field testing stage, until after the Battle of Endor, because he feared what the Rebels could do with them if they were able to mass-produce them. It's really sad just how many Star Wars fans aren't even aware of its existence.
@@andrewrichards312 Well, my thinking has rather advanced in the time. Basically though, for the best of the best. The absolute elites you're better off with defenders, x-wings and such. Wedge, Luke, and the like can place a cannon bolt through a view screen. For everyone else? Missile spam levels the playing field hilariously.
@@Blinks77 Based on what you've said here, I'd question your definition of "advanced". It doesn't matter how good an elite pilot might be; the cannons on a starfighter are always going to have a limited range, far shorter than that required for a missile lock. The fact is that the SLAM allows a pilot of a Missile Boat to get just close enough to get a missile lock, unleash their payload and then fall back outside of even enemy missile range if they've managed to launch a missile at them at the same time. That's the thing here, the SLAM really does create an uneven playing field, where range really does become killer. The only way around it would be if you were to increase the range of both a ship's cannons and their targeting system to exceed that of the SLAM's range. Have you ever played TIE Fighter and experienced the SLAM system in dogfighting and combat firsthand, or are you simply basing your opinion on the SLAM and its effect on the battlefield on more detached observations?
I always loved the Star Fortress. 1,000 proton bombs is hard even for the K-wing to complete in sheer destructive firepower. (Plus it has the turrets to defend itself, just like the K-wing). In addition to that, it can also be adapted very easily to a wide-range of non-combat roles, which in my opinion is a big thumbs up for a space force that doesn't have a lot of money to spend.
So many comments about "i want this!" and "i want that!" How about making a comment about the current video, instead of allways just demanding? Very nice work here. Nice to see certain crafts, that i only know from the Battlegrounds game, and from TIE Fighter.
The K-Wing is probably one of my favorite starfighters in Star Wars, its massive array of ordinance slung under the wings makes it look like a suped-up A-10 Warthog, the kind of ship that just screams "I'm going to turn you and everything within a square mile of you into a crater" xDD
What was the ship shown in the artwork after the first ship but before the second? When you were saying about future versions improving upon the first ship. It looked like a suped up B-wing.
I like all of your video series. They've been interesting and some have brought things I'd forgotten about or didn't know. Keep up the good work. I'd potentially be interested in the book club. I'm currently attempting to read the "Aftermath" series...... Though I did get the Thrawn trilogy because I read the new version of Thrawn. (I originally skipped the trilogy back in the day because I didn't like Tim Zahn writing, but I'm going to read them soon.)(If I can get through Aftermath or throw them away. Lol) Thanks
"Legends" is how I came to Star Wars back in '91 with the Thrawn trilogy (which I'm currently rereading for, I think, the fifth time). I still find Zahn to be the best author in Star Wars (Stackpole being a solid second). But an EU book group sounds good, I've read every novel from the Thrawn trilogy up into the start of the Vong war (1991 to 2000ish). After that I'm a little spottier on my Star Wars novels outside Zahn ones.
Say you had a fleet of the Star Destroyers from each era; what do you think is the minimum number of Venator, Imperial I/II, and Resurgent Star Destroyers needed to police a sector; or even the entire galaxy? (Assuming each SD had a full compliment of fighters)
Question: Was Thrawn's art analysis actually a real thing? Like can a person actually know something just by looking or studying the art works of a people?
What is the Starfighter shown at 2:24 , I. Ask. As I love the look of it, it’s sort of a cross between the D wing, the B wing and the H-60. It appears you were showing it. As an H-60, but as you said the H-60 has a separate gunner cockpit, and the earlier images don’t show the s foil wing that this one has. It makes me think of if the decided to move the cockpit into the center of the B-wing’s body to make it easier for pilots to adapt to, but also added a bit more room for missiles and/or torpedoes
Great video! Quick question though, is there any difference between the TIE IT you mentioned and the TIE Punisher from the X wing tabletop game? That model used in the artwork during the video looks like the latter.
What is the Starfighter shown at 2:24 , I. Ask. As I love the look of it, it’s sort of a cross between the D wing, the B wing and the H-60. It appears you were showing it. As an H-60, but as you said the H-60 has a separate gunner cockpit, and the earlier images don’t show the s foil wing that this one has, and the cockpit is also in the center of the main wing inside of at the end It makes me think of if the decided to move the cockpit into the center of the B-wing’s body to make it easier for pilots to adapt to, but also added a bit more room for missiles and/or torpedoes.
The B-Wing arguably has better areodaynamics and maneuverability based on its design with the rotating cockpit. As well, the B-Wing had a superior weapons' system design to the ARC 170; multiple configurations, including one that could concentrate it laser weapons and single-handedly take down an Imperial Star Destroyer. Not sure how an ARC 170 would even compete in a 1v1 fight. ARC 170's were mass produced for the Clone Wars; many were lost. Where as the original B-Wings were designed in secret, during Star Wars Rebels, specifically for the Battle of Endor. Few were lost, if any at all, and were heralded as the difference maker in the battle. Not the Y-Wing squadron.
Hey I heard you should do one video bringing in the new universe which I haven't seen a video about yet which is talking about the Robotech universe mostly regarding the vf-1 Valkyries
I find it interesting how many people nit pick the designations of Capital Ships. Like how the Star Destroyer is not a Destroyer. But they don't seem to do the same with fighters and bomber designations. Like the Star Fortress is a heavy bomber like the B-17, however the Y wing and B wing would be more considered a Fighter Bombers/ multirole fighters like the F/A-18 or a single seat attack aircraft like the A-10 or F-117a.. This just popped in my head while watching the video..
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I love the K-wing, and when people don't believe that the damn thing packed a quad turbolaser. "That's a capital ship weapon!" "That's the K-Wing, baybay!"
it doesn't make any sense though, look at
Star Wars Cutaway: DBY-827 Heavy Dual Turbolaser Turret or at the Disney's All Terrain MegaCaliber Six crossection.
Look at how much space is required to install a turbolaser on a ship. I am aware that these are both heavy turbolasers but it still makes zero sense that a 16m long ship can have a reactor and sfoils able to handle the power required and venting ability to successfully use a quad turbolaser.
Even quad heavy laser cannons would be unlikely but more in a realm of possibility.
The K-Wing's best asset is the SLAM System. Take it away and it's essentially a glorified Y-Wing.
"K-wings solve all problems." - Commander Marius Vahle
Only because of the SLAM system - precisely why the Missile Boat should have gotten the second slot in this.
Imagine if it had a hyperdrive...
Apart from the Sequel Trilogy. :P
@@jayburn00 it would be too heavvy
"You can't blow something up if you die first"....... I think some A Wing at Endor will disagree with you.
Yeah he hit the command bridge before of destruction but the Super Star Destroyer explode later technically he died first :)
The Kamikazes from WW2 would seem to contradict that statement as well.
K wing definatly earned the top spot easily.
@Itnetlolor TLJ bombers don't make sense either lol. How do the bombs even fall in space? Where the hell is the gravity coming from?
The bombers have there own gravity and also MAGNETS!
@@aurorathearcticwolf4243 still stupidly design ship tho lol
Ryan Angkasa they were based off of the B-17 suprisingly but oh gosh did Disney really mess up
Master Vengco , the planet nearby, it seems.
The missile boat is way more then just a heavy bomber. And I always admired the b wing. Wish I could fly the k wing
The Missile Boat is far superior to the B-Wing. Yes the B-Wing has better beam weapons than the Missile Boat, but good luck using them against a Missile Boat with its SLAM system properly utilised. In fact I would argue that, precisely because of the SLAM system, the Missile Boat is a superior starfighter to every other starfighter in the Star Wars Universe, with the exception of the K-Wing.
@@andrewrichards312 No kidding. And yeah I like the Missile Boat too.
@@bradhedgehog12 My response was more in the context of how this video barely even touched on the SLAM system when IMHO it's arguably the most cirtical system on any starfighter in the Star Wars Universe and it really does make anything without it a second-tier starfighter - even the TIE Defender.
@@andrewrichards312 no kidding In Star Wars Tie Fighter I used that ship
The star wars equivalent of the A-10. Space brrrrrrrrrt
I love the K-wing. It's supremely practical, looks cool, and it follows the "looks like a letter" paradigm in a way that's just as good as the X-wing.
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways:
Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: Ninty-one times. Part of me *wants* this to hit one-hundred.
I'm sure he'll get to it eventually. And I hope you do get to one-hundred.
Perhaps, he wait you to top one hundred to do it ^^
That would be cool, but... I've noticed that he hasn't done a Yuuzhan Vong battle breakdown in a while.
from the Moment you talked About the b-wing i knew the k-wing was on Nr.1
Would love that book club and am looking forward to the thrawn trilogy
This is why I LOVE legends, you can have lists/similar videos to this, there just isnt enough craft in canon for a list like this
The Y wing is just my favourite due to the backstory, and how it came to be
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
TIE Defender beats both.
Calvin Ackermann Actually, no the Tie/DF was outdated by the time the E-wing was created, also the E-wing was made to take on Tie avenger's and Tie Hunters, Equal to if not better than Tie Defenders...
TIE Avenger is unquestionably inferior to the TIE Defender
@@CS-nq9sq he did a TIE/D vs E wing. E wing lost at 9 1/2 out of 10 if I'm not mistaken. Defenders were more maneuverable than hunters and avengers, better shields too. The hunter was ALMOST as fast though. And neither came close to firepower levels.
@@HalfDemonInuyasha aye vod.
YES! Finally the K-Wing gets some well needed recognition.
Wouldn't it be great to have a heavy bomber, who could turn invisible? Imagine how devastating it is if a bomber suddenly appears out of nowhere and unleash the entire payload in the bridge of a capitalship, only to disappear a moment later.
That is to op but i wish it was real
I love the idea of a book club. I've always wanted to get round to reading more of the huge library of legends books that exist, but it's hard to know where to start. I think a book club would provide a great solution for that, allowing relative newcomers to get started on exploring the best legends has to offer, and allowing experienced readers to relive their favourite books. Please let us know more about this!
Spartans vs N7 or Pilots (Titanfall) and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
i feel that depending on the soldier they could beat the spartans, specially some biotics since i dont think spartans have ever dealt with something that can cause mass mas distortions or singularities at will, so at range my money is on N7 biotics but close quarters the spartans take the win
Spartans would when. Personally I thin the Spartans could pretty easily beat any franchises human faction except WH40K Astartes. That is personal opinion. If they do not have the armor to withstand and/or the firepower to takedown, they lose to they guy(s) that do. Also in Lore Spartans are just unreal in their speed, strength, endurance, durability, accuracy, and so on. They are weaponized humans, not merely trained soldiers.
Unarmored Space Marine vs Armored Spartan II
Round 1
The Space Marine gets a standard bolter and the spartan gets any UNSC weapon that won't one shot the space marine.
Round 2
The Space Marine gets a chain sword and the spartan II gets a energy sword.
Spartans win
Systems Alliance Marines would beat the UNSC marines hands down: they have superior armour (full body ballstic mesh, plus ceramic armour and kinetic barriers/shields), superior weaponry (rapid-fire mass-accelerator canons even down to their side-arms), they have superior conditioning (the ME lore states that the average Alliance service-members undergoes gene therapy for improved strength and stamina)
N7 Vs Spartan: That would be a tough fight. Both have technology and training that are roughly on par, though the average N7 would have access to gear that could short-circuit/overload the Spartan's gear (disruptor ammo, overload-pulse, arc-grenades), or hit them with the force of a freight-train (auto-tracking concussive rounds), or turn them into a fireball (see every explosive combo ever). It would be a close one, but I'd say the N7 would would beat the Spartan, as long as he avoided getting into a hand-to-hand brawl.
Titanfall pilot: They'd just kill everyone with that damn Smart Pistol.
Id make a mix out of the k wing and the missile boat. Nice Video i didnt know ablut the h60.
Thank you EckahartsLadder! You are the only reason I love and know Star Wars.
What was that art of something like a super ARC-170?
Yeah. It was the PTB-625 planetary bomber.
PTB-625 planetary bomber
Yeah, I had the same question- thanks repliers!
I used to play X-Wing Miniatures with my one friend and he had a K-Wing and it was absolutely insane in that tabletop game lol
Just throwing this out there because i want a new project and I've enjoyed your content. I have both podcasting experience and basic literacy. Currently reading the x-wing series.
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Covenant
The Vong kinda stomp.
Hi EckhartsLadder
this was a interesting video i like learning about ships i didn't know about.
i hope you are having a nice day/night
sincerely a big fan and small youtuber:)
This is one of my favorites of the recent videos. The script was really good and I didn’t know about some of these fighters.
An Eckhartsladder video is always a good end to the day
Captain Shack vs Admiral Ecks
(Attempt no.2)
Yes plz
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Yes
nice idea. keep us updated.
I absolutely wish the B-Wing was better suited for dogfighting, the rotating frame and sheer firepower of the thing makes me happy.
The K-wing, though... Quad Turbolaser. That's all you really need.
The reading club could be expanded into colloquium-like podcasts (with or without a livestream Q and A component) which would be a nice addition to the type of videos you already do so well :D
A book club sounds like a great idea. My favorite part of reading is discussing it.
I'm currently re-reading the Heir To The Empire Trilogy, on Dark Force Rising. Didn't feel ready to tackle the Hunt For Red October novel yet.
A Star Wars reading club for your channel is a really good idea.
The Legends Book/Reading club sounds like a great idea! I've read The Old Republic: Revan, I'm on The Last Command of The Thrawn Trilogy and then going to read the Darth Bane Trilogy next, I think it is a great idea!
The Legends Genius Eckhartsladder
Great video and these heavy bombers are cool and awesome. My favorite is the k wing.
Book club is a great idea. Legends deserves more recognition 👌👌
I like the idea of a reading clup and you can have gests to talk about the book
Macross Frontier era defence fleet ( of frontier fleet spec but no colony ships themselves) plus SMS strike force vs Imperial Fleet at the Battle of Endor( minus death star 2) legends.
no.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 yes.
Bary Bend NO.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 yes because it would be a fun to see him do something new.
Barry bend not enough information or interest in it.
I definitely love that idea I would love to read and talk about the old legend book with you guys
I knew this day would come. Somehow, some day, I knew if I watched this channel long enough, it would happen.
I... I _agree,_ with every single point and placement on this list.
I need a minute, guys, this is a bit overwhelming.
(Love the Legends lore, Eckhart, and sign me up for the book club!)
I like the idea of the book club, I enjoyed the Thrawn Trilogy. However my first star wars book was The Truce At Barkura and thats what got me into Star Wars, more than the films in fact.
Viscount Class Star Defender VS 2 of the MALEVOLENCE (Subjagator Class Heavy Cruiser)
54th Try
Legends Book Club seems like a cool idea! Ive been looking to start reading them so youll def see me there!
The Mandalorians KOTOR vs The Yuuzhan Vong
-Craig Newsome
It took the galaxy united together to defeat the Yuuzhan Gong. The Mandalorians would at least in my opinion, be annihilated.
@@kyloren114 The Mandalorians were the only race who managed to single handedly drive the Vong off planet and as stated in the book, made them FEAR the power of Mandalore. Additionally, that was worn out Mandalorians united by Boba, not the peak battle-ready Mandalorians of KOTOR. Remember how they literally NUKED Sorroco? Yeah, the Vong would have a pretty hard time with them.
Love the reading club idea and would like to hear more about it from you. I've got a lot of the older Star wars books myself that I need to read through after getting them from car boot sales and charity shops.
Would love to get back into reading books about starwars used to read them allthe time when i was younger
Where is our cas assault carrier overview video?
not here
I would like the book club idea I've aways wanted to get into the extended lore of star wars and you are a big factor as to why I do.
Video suggestion: in all your vs. episodes no-one ever won against the Flood. You should do "What sci-fi factions from any universe could defeat the Flood?"
Fractions from Planetside 2
I loved the firepower and the versatility of the B-Wing in the expansion for X-Wing vs Tie Fighter back in the 90s. I don't know how it compares to the newer K-Wing. The K Wing lacking a hyper drive is a problme but for raw fire power, it does beat out the B Wing. The B Wing can dog fight though. It wouldn't top that spot but it can defend itself and especially when escorted. I would like to play the K Wing in a game to see how well the 2 turrets would peel fighters off of its own back. Those are my 2 that do the job the best.
Another great video, and the reading club sounds like a good idea.
The idea of SW book club is actually cool. For a while i wanted to start reading legends books but i just didn't know where to start or they weren't available for my country.
Having started to thoroughly read through the New Republic and Legacy eras I would love to join in the Star Wars Legends reading club.
H-60 Tempest: It's great, we love it
Twin-Pod Cloud Car: Disgusting, we hate it
Topics like that always makes me wonder:
Is Star Wars a depiction of WW2, or is it an eternally frozen WW2?
The OT gives the impression of a WW2 world (fighters becoming prominent but dreadnoughts still being prominent). You have dogfights and fighter aces and the incredible destructive power of lone fighters/bombers. It always seemed like a parallel to historical development, where enormous fleets of battleships became obsolete and carriers became the new tool to project power.
On the other hand, both PT and ST have extensive dreadnoughts and carriers. If Star Wars really progessed, the Empire would have used the Venator, built some super-heavy carriers and concentrated on building better fighters.
But they don't. Which leads me to believe that Star Wars is just magically frozen. Sure, dogfights are cool and showing a little fighter destroying a huge superdreadnought is David vs Goliath for modern times, but it also shows that Star Wars is less of an organic universe and more a background to show cool storiy archs on. Which robs it a bit of immersion/coolness to be honest.
Which leads me back to the actual topic. Heavy bombers worked for a while, because the shifting circumstances opened a quick window of opportunity. The Boing Flying Foetress worked because of the ever changing circumstances of a world war, not because they were inherently superior. And even they had to shift from day-time raids to night raids. Whereas modern strategic bombers are less focused on being heavy (because a nuke isn't that heavy) and much more focused on stealth (because AA is much deadlier).
But Star Wars simply ignores that. Instead of going more fighter focused, they just buid bigger dreadnoughts. Instead of building stealthier or quicker bombers, they build slower and heavier ones.
It makes actual comparisons of combat effectiveness impossible, because it lacks internal logic.
It's a bit of a mix of WW2 and Vietnam(at least the OT is). The reason why the Empire decided not to make the Venator the mainstay ship was because it didn't fit the Tarkin Doctrine. Basically it wasn't scary enough and didn't hold enough weapons. "rule through fear of force, rather than through force itself." While the Venator was an awesome(in my opinion) force projector like you said, it wasn't really meant to be a battleship.
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I get that. But that still lacks progress. E.g. Germany did not care much about carriers with their only carrier getting postponed further and further. So I could see the Empire being mired in a Tarkin-doctrine show-off with every moff wanting more and bigger battleships.
And the rebels should win because of that. It actually makes the setting more believable. The corrupt empire ignores the new technology and the new modern rebels adopt it and defeat the old power.
BUT in Star Wars, the design of battleships apparently stopped for several thousand years, evolved significantly for a few decades and then stopped or regressed.
It's just a flaw, imo. Not a huge one, but still a plothole, sacrificed to the rule of cool.
@@hafor2846 yeah... Unfortunately. However in legends there are dedicated Carriers that do appear on scene as well as better starfighters. However there are still the dreadnaughts and battleships. I tack that on to the fact that there were still superweapons and extra-galactic invaders that used heavy warships.
Truat me I agree 100% with you. Was just trying to explain the in universe answer why the Empire chose the Imperial class over the Venator.
My advice is to not apply too much real-world logic into the space-opera fantasy. It usually ends up ruining the experience.
I know it's a legends only video but the MG-100 Star Fortress would wipe the floor with these things
Question: Was Thrawn Force sensitive and he is unconsciously uses it in a different way like increasing his mental prowess or is he just a natural born genius?
Had the B-Wing been mass produced, and not been a research and development project, they would have easily replaced the X-Wing fleet in the Rebel Alliance hands down.
Most versatile ship.
If there's to be a book series, I hope to see plenty of timeline variation so it doesn't drag on. Or perhaps alternate between canon/legends every other book reading. Looking forward to the project and would love to be involved.
Wow that h-60 looks like it would be hard to hit if you didn’t have a good angle on it. Love it.
Talk about the "New Class Modernization Project", I want hear your take on them.
(Apparently not so) Quick genuine question. Are the bombers from The Last Jedi really that badly designed? They get a lot of shit for apparently being a massive downgrade, but they are clearly just the heaviest heavy bombers out there, considering how a single bomber was able to take out a dreadnought. And while the open bomb bay is a clear disadvantage, they were also clearly heavily armed and would probably serve the rebellion well. Their use against the Mandator was clearly simply a very risky attack, they were in over their head and it wasn't really the bombers fault (which I have seen so many comments claim) Just to make it clear, I'm not defending the movie as a whole, it has too many major flaws for me to do so. But I thought the bombers were fairly cool and believe this is just a case of people hating the movie and therefore looking for things to call bad. so yeah, long story short, were the bombers really that bad?
I’d love to see this question get answered. Imo I thought they were pretty shitty.
The bombers themselves were not bad, but they weren’t the right ship for the job. I see those bombers more suited to a planetary bombardment role, in which they would do very well, but in episode 8 something like a b wing would probably be the better choice, but I don’t think the resistance had any available at the time.
The bombers normally aren't meant for the way they were used. As the poster said before me, they are meant for bunker bursting and other roles. If you use them in the way they are meant for, then they do their job. But in the context they were used, it was set up to fail. Poe used them in the worst possible way.
Nah they were designed like the B17. And this bombers got theyre asses kicked over germany, only the P51 mustang long range fighter minimized the losses a little. Without fighter support every heavy bomber is toast.
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Y Wing bombs fall too. Star wars physics dont work like in real, Maybe magnetic.
Hey Ecks I recently listened to Maul lockdown and Deathtroopers through audible and really enjoyed them. I was wondering if you had any other suggestions for good listens?
K-WING FOR THE WIN WWWOOO!!!
Love the k-wing it's an awesome looking ship.
Should do a video on the Skipray BlastBoat...that ship is a beast.
I do like the missile boat. Kind of more like an assault gunship or support craft than a starfighter
The book club sounds like a great idea man
Lots of Y and B-wings, or an H or V-wing with maybe some Imperial or Old Republic craft like a TIE Bomber.. Forgot about the K-wing, basically the A-10 of the SW verse, but yeah think for most of us its mainly alphabet Rebel craft on this one
In my personal opinion I wouldn't consider the B wing a heavy bomber, it's a lot more of a heavy Starfighter, it's more than capable to hold it's own against a tie fighter or two, it's shields and relatively small profile makes it much better at fighter to fighter combat than a lot of other "bombers" I see the B wing as mix between a X wing and Y wing but that's just my take on it
What, realistically, could a bomber/heavy bomber accomplish in a single bombing run against an ISD?
First Order vs Grand Army of the Republic. Who can win this?
Hmm I will have to say that the Republic would win with the Jedi's Help....
Republic because of numbers
Also because jar jar exists, they will automatically want to leave life
Even with the Death Star MkIII, there’s just too many everything that the Republic owns. Even the Supremacy will fall under the fire of enough venators, and that’s not including Palpatines secret fleet
I think it depends on how many ships the First Order actually has. We'll have to wait until we get a real estimate before we know for sure
Jake Dempsey I suppose, though supposedly, the First Order is small due to only growing in the outer rim, but then again, it didn’t take much for the New Republic to bow before them...
You missed out the full name of the Missile Boat. "King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death"
Glad someone else gets it. The SLAM system is the most underrated starfighter system in existence in the Star Wars Universe and the Missile Boat was so badass that the Emperor had ti shelved while it was still in the field testing stage, until after the Battle of Endor, because he feared what the Rebels could do with them if they were able to mass-produce them. It's really sad just how many Star Wars fans aren't even aware of its existence.
@@andrewrichards312 Well, my thinking has rather advanced in the time. Basically though, for the best of the best. The absolute elites you're better off with defenders, x-wings and such. Wedge, Luke, and the like can place a cannon bolt through a view screen. For everyone else? Missile spam levels the playing field hilariously.
@@Blinks77 Based on what you've said here, I'd question your definition of "advanced". It doesn't matter how good an elite pilot might be; the cannons on a starfighter are always going to have a limited range, far shorter than that required for a missile lock. The fact is that the SLAM allows a pilot of a Missile Boat to get just close enough to get a missile lock, unleash their payload and then fall back outside of even enemy missile range if they've managed to launch a missile at them at the same time. That's the thing here, the SLAM really does create an uneven playing field, where range really does become killer. The only way around it would be if you were to increase the range of both a ship's cannons and their targeting system to exceed that of the SLAM's range.
Have you ever played TIE Fighter and experienced the SLAM system in dogfighting and combat firsthand, or are you simply basing your opinion on the SLAM and its effect on the battlefield on more detached observations?
I always loved the Star Fortress. 1,000 proton bombs is hard even for the K-wing to complete in sheer destructive firepower. (Plus it has the turrets to defend itself, just like the K-wing). In addition to that, it can also be adapted very easily to a wide-range of non-combat roles, which in my opinion is a big thumbs up for a space force that doesn't have a lot of money to spend.
A nice change of pace from all the hate :D
I would be ok with it if it wasn't used in a dumb way (plus some major design flaws).
So many comments about "i want this!" and "i want that!"
How about making a comment about the current video, instead of allways just demanding?
Very nice work here. Nice to see certain crafts, that i only know from the Battlegrounds game, and from TIE Fighter.
I was worried that the TIE Punisher/Interdictor would not make it.. but it did yaaay!!
I'd love a book club. Great idea.
A video on Mass effect Ship weapons please.
As for the book club, great idea.
The K-Wing is probably one of my favorite starfighters in Star Wars, its massive array of ordinance slung under the wings makes it look like a suped-up A-10 Warthog, the kind of ship that just screams "I'm going to turn you and everything within a square mile of you into a crater" xDD
What was the ship shown in the artwork after the first ship but before the second? When you were saying about future versions improving upon the first ship. It looked like a suped up B-wing.
A Legends Book Club would be awesome. I would try to be a part of it :)
The K-Wing: The Star Wars Galaxy's very own A-10 Warthog.
These ships are awesome!
I like all of your video series. They've been interesting and some have brought things I'd forgotten about or didn't know. Keep up the good work.
I'd potentially be interested in the book club. I'm currently attempting to read the "Aftermath" series...... Though I did get the Thrawn trilogy because I read the new version of Thrawn. (I originally skipped the trilogy back in the day because I didn't like Tim Zahn writing, but I'm going to read them soon.)(If I can get through Aftermath or throw them away. Lol) Thanks
"Legends" is how I came to Star Wars back in '91 with the Thrawn trilogy (which I'm currently rereading for, I think, the fifth time). I still find Zahn to be the best author in Star Wars (Stackpole being a solid second). But an EU book group sounds good, I've read every novel from the Thrawn trilogy up into the start of the Vong war (1991 to 2000ish). After that I'm a little spottier on my Star Wars novels outside Zahn ones.
Say you had a fleet of the Star Destroyers from each era; what do you think is the minimum number of Venator, Imperial I/II, and Resurgent Star Destroyers needed to police a sector; or even the entire galaxy? (Assuming each SD had a full compliment of fighters)
Kind of funny that they even use turbolasers, just load a corvette with a godly engine and thousands of torpedoes, have them destroy everything.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (347th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
Great video!
Question: Was Thrawn's art analysis actually a real thing? Like can a person actually know something just by looking or studying the art works of a people?
Hi, I’ve been subbed since 3k and your quality has improved yet it’s still just as interesting and cool
crazedlegofanatic same
Eckharts Ladder is awesome
What is the Starfighter shown at 2:24 , I. Ask. As I love the look of it, it’s sort of a cross between the D wing, the B wing and the H-60. It appears you were showing it. As an H-60, but as you said the H-60 has a separate gunner cockpit, and the earlier images don’t show the s foil wing that this one has. It makes me think of if the decided to move the cockpit into the center of the B-wing’s body to make it easier for pilots to adapt to, but also added a bit more room for missiles and/or torpedoes
Great video! Quick question though, is there any difference between the TIE IT you mentioned and the TIE Punisher from the X wing tabletop game? That model used in the artwork during the video looks like the latter.
I just finished the first book in the thrown trilogy. Love the idea of a book club
What is the Starfighter shown at 2:24 , I. Ask. As I love the look of it, it’s sort of a cross between the D wing, the B wing and the H-60. It appears you were showing it. As an H-60, but as you said the H-60 has a separate gunner cockpit, and the earlier images don’t show the s foil wing that this one has, and the cockpit is also in the center of the main wing inside of at the end
It makes me think of if the decided to move the cockpit into the center of the B-wing’s body to make it easier for pilots to adapt to, but also added a bit more room for missiles and/or torpedoes.
B wing vs arc 170
Jay Jansen I think the arc takes it simply because of its tail mounted laser cannon and not retarded hull design
That's a dedicated heavy bomber vs a heavy fighterbomber. The ACR-170 is far more suited for a 1v1 matchup
The B-Wing arguably has better areodaynamics and maneuverability based on its design with the rotating cockpit. As well, the B-Wing had a superior weapons' system design to the ARC 170; multiple configurations, including one that could concentrate it laser weapons and single-handedly take down an Imperial Star Destroyer.
Not sure how an ARC 170 would even compete in a 1v1 fight.
ARC 170's were mass produced for the Clone Wars; many were lost. Where as the original B-Wings were designed in secret, during Star Wars Rebels, specifically for the Battle of Endor.
Few were lost, if any at all, and were heralded as the difference maker in the battle. Not the Y-Wing squadron.
@@user-gu7yo5yn9g lol
@@Some_Call_Me_Pietro lol
Hi eck, how is your small baby?
Imagine if in star wars 8 we had K-Wings instead of whatever that resistance bomber was supposed to be
Would have been less of a beat down than if the Empire had mass-produced TIE Defenders and Missile Boats at the Battle of Endor.
Called number 1 and 2. Hard to compete with the K and B-Wing
Hey I heard you should do one video bringing in the new universe which I haven't seen a video about yet which is talking about the Robotech universe mostly regarding the vf-1 Valkyries
"You can't blow something up if you die first." ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION, LAST JEDI?!
I find it interesting how many people nit pick the designations of Capital Ships. Like how the Star Destroyer is not a Destroyer. But they don't seem to do the same with fighters and bomber designations. Like the Star Fortress is a heavy bomber like the B-17, however the Y wing and B wing would be more considered a Fighter Bombers/ multirole fighters like the F/A-18 or a single seat attack aircraft like the A-10 or F-117a..
This just popped in my head while watching the video..
@EckhartsLadder the tie bomber only has ONE bomb bay not 2.. Thus the Tie-iT has ×4 the payload capacity (not ×2, as you mentioned in this video)