Why do you buy a sports car? For driving fun, right! The only car in the test where every driver was giggling like a school girl after her first kiss, was the Mustang. Yes, if you combine 4,000 Lbs with 760 Hp, then, keep your right foot planted in it...your gas mileage is going to suck! The Corvette is, generation one of a Chevrolet mid engine car! So, it is going to be a bit rough around the edges, but, it is a fun-naminal first try. The 911 has been developing since the 60's, so yes, it will be more refined with; the steering wheel, seat and every button, in exactly, the correct place and being German made of the finest materials that the cars price will allow. I like the way you did not say; this car is the best! Hell, they are all the best in their own way!
Why do all these cars have fake manual transmission? Do the test drivers suck that bad or does everybody buying these cars want to cosplay as a racecar driver?
@@pontiacGXPfanthe “fake manual” you refer to does not try to be manual at all it infact is an automatic and in these days it practically impossible to shift as well as the computers
I really feel sorry for the 'Stang owner who wants to hold a conversation or listen to music or answer their phone...! The cabin noise is obnoxious! The Edmonds guys were probably laughing at the idea of some poor sod actually owning one for a daily driver!
The mere fact that a GT500 is even n this flight proves otherwise. True its not refined and quiet.. but that is how its intended to be and I feel pity for the idiots who still try to blame the GT500. Try giving 760 HP to a customer with a DCT and with a chassis that can handle power.. unlike the previous GT500 the new 1 s extremely stable and 1 has to be a moron to spin it.. Also its heavy and that only adds to its appeal... many don't understand that...
@@RCXDerp a great performance car with big gaps in its "evolution". Porsche's only real departure from 911 tradition was the 991 RSR(MR drive layout by moving engine forward and flipping it around) Rear engine kept them from using a rear diffuser for years.(RSR not street legal,BTW) Its a true evolution,model by model since 1964. The same can't really be said about the GT500.
@@LeeePowers you know Porsche tried Front engine rear drive right? Early Porsches had pretty hairy handling, so they developed the 928. Porsche traditionalists wouldn't buy it, so forced Porsche to refine the rear engine layout to make it handle predictably.
I am a very lucky chap. I managed to get ahold of both a lovely chalk 911 992 and a 2020 gt500... and I could tell you I would rather die before having to choose only 1 of them to drive xD. I have to admit, I LOVE THEM BOTH, but if i really had to go for one, despite the porsche even having a tune to 515HP and only 3.0 sec to 60mph with it, the GT500 is the most fun and hardcore car I have ever driven, thus ill always go for it!
The 992 911 is the best daily driver. I had one and sold it for an Alfa 4c. What!? It was not my daily, and it was simply not a fun car to drive on occasion, tall gearing means jail time when you wind it out. Also did not like the overbearing nanny systems. The 4C is a pure sports car, fun, quick, full of genuine character and always a thrill even when simply running errands. Oh and about the 911 steering wheel; yes it looks good HOWEVER, it has a cheap black plastic inlay that you can move and squeak with your fingers and has fake Allen head bolts molded in, really Porsche? It’s a $100k plus car! AND, while the interior is nice you are constantly reminded that unless you spend $150k (very easy to do) it’s incomplete. The door panels when not finished in leather look cheap. The C8 has really made the 911 superfluous, if you can get past the badge...
I am in the same boat. The Corvette is a lot less expensive although the Porsche will hold the value better. I am having a hard time justifying the price for a car that will sit in the garage most of the time waiting for the occasional weekend drive.
WoW, the exhaust sound on that GT500 is 🤤🤤 I'll take the Corvette. Just something about a mid-engine V8 is so thrilling. And with the Z06 coming with a flat-plane crank, it's going to be incredible.
50 out of 50 of the fatest cars on the planet, verified by Dragy, are front engine. Expand to the top 100 and #98 is a heavily modded Hurican. All MRE cars are slow AF.
@@135iN55 or there are far fewer mid or rear engine cars on the road and very few of those are modded to the same extent! (which I get due to cost and value). From a performance standpoint, the mid engine layout is generally superior... This coming from a 7 second TT Viper owner.
Nah... I'm good... it's overpowered... it could barely put its power down. So, in true Mustang tradition, I expect to hear lots of stories of these GT500s spinning out as they come out of their local Cars & Coffee events. I'd go for the Corvette first, 911 second, and if I had to take the GT500, I'd just sell it and buy the 'Vette.
@@richardmodglin3900 Oh, you mean where it had long enough straights to use its only advantage, straight line speed, to make up for it's lack of cornering ability in comparison to the C8? I saw that video too, and clearly, the C8 is much better in the corners than the GT500. All that video proved is that the GT500 is just a typical overpowered Mustang... fast in a straight line, not so much in the corners. If it weren't for those long straights, the GT500 would have lost. Put both cars on a tight technical course, and the GT500 would be going home with its tail between its legs.
@@theranter I didn't hear Randy complaining about the Stangs ability to turn. Of course the C8 is faster in the turns. It should be. It's an International race track and the vette lost to the Mustang. End of story.
@@richardmodglin3900 No, he wasn't complaining, probably because he was amazed that it could handle at all... lol The only reason the GT500 won is the straights... period. If you took the straights out of the picture, the GT500 would have lost. It only won because it has 760hp, and could rocket down the straights to make up for its subpar cornering. And it barely won, considering it was up against a car that has 265 hp less than it does. That's a whole Ford Edge ST worth of hp and then some... and it barely won.
Corvette looks the best inside and out easily. Reliability, cost, spares and performance..its got to be the BASE ENTRY LEVEL Corvette. The Corvette is not 0 to 60mph in 3.4 seconds where did they get that from?.it can do it in 2.9 seconds. Naturally aspirated. Unlike the porsche or mustang. Everyone who has seen the Corvettes interior, especially the 2 colour interior has said that the quality is superb....The square steering wheel is fine in a ferrari or mclaren..so it's fine in a Corvette. Just wait for the Z06 and ZR1.
Motor Trend? People still watch those assholes? I remember when they took their good shows off of youtube and put them behind a paywall on their own On Demand service, and then made that video where they were all "GREAT NEWS! Thank you for saving us from financial collapse by watching our TH-cam channel and all, but in return, we're effectively ditching you all unless you pay us to watch the shows we used to post here by buying Motor Trend On Demand!" I haven't watched or read a single thing from them since that dickheaded announcement.
@@hwnwhaler1 this is very funny i ended up getting a c7 z06 as i didn’t get my 2021 allocation. I got bumped to 2022 and then I said not waiting any longer
Watched the whole video. Best part was the last few seconds… when both drivers wanted to end their day in the car that finished in 3rd place. It’s not refined… or as classy. It’s just badass.
Love all 3 cars. Carlos Lago is a known Chevy fan boy with his expressed love for Camaro’s and the C8 Corvette, none of that is top secret. However, even Carlos can recognize the greatness of that GT500. Randy Pobst drove the Gt500 and the 992 Porsche 912 Turbo back to back on a track. The results... The 911 beat the “unrefined” American slob of a car, the GT500, by a mere 3/10 of one second. Ali stair doesn’t hide his Euro-snob affection for the 911. Saying the fit and finish of the 911, among other things, when compared to the other two is a “Designer Suit” I love 911’s but that C8 Vette’s fit and finish is right there with the 911’s. Sorry Alistair, it just is. A little bit of advice, these two American cars are just as good as that base 911, and both are much cheaper too. I love Carlos for his honesty and fairness. Alistair, you really need to work on your humility and give credit where credit is due. The C8 and the GT500 are both in the same class as that base 911. With a professional driver behind the wheel, like a Randy Pobst, he would prove my claim that the Americans are just as good, if not better, than that base 911
Enjoyed the analysis....In the past few years I’ve owned 3 mini’s including a JCW, and i8... and now have a Vet on order. Haven’t owned a GM product for at least 10 years. Started paying attention to the Vet a year ago and so ordered one. It comes with a discount on the driving school... Perfect.... I’m 72.... Time for a tune up! 😎
I don't really know lickety split about cars but man was this fun to watch! Great videos, all such beautiful cars in their own ways. Man, just gotta shout out that corvette, it really looks awesome!
The way I see it the 911 is an absolute feat of german engineering, it can go head to head with the other two cars despite it being underpowered and based on all the reviews it handles like a surgical knife, the C8 is the evolution of the classic american musclecar, it's an icon taken to the next level on it´s way to competing with every european mid engine supercar and the GT500 is the pinnacle of the american front engine supercar, loud, visceral fast and reaching unthinkable levels of handling putting behind the bad rep most muscle cars had. Personally I´d take the 911 without a second thought but all three are spectacular machines.
Randy pobst had a dead tie between a 911 GT3 RS top dog VS Shelby GT 500 track pack. On a road course. Guess what the price difference is.almost 3 to 1.
@@mikewatch1487 except GT3RS will perform the same in every track you throw at it, while GT500 will suffer heating and issues on some tracks like Nurburging! 2nd you buy GT3RS 200K but you also sell it 180-200K while you buy GT500 at 80K you sell it 30-40K which is better value now?
I can’t wait for the new comparisons with the new z06, 680 NA hp from a 5.5 liter flat plane crank, 4.5 “ wider with 335’s in the rear and 295s up front and a track pack, game changet
Not to nit pick, but the Porsche 911 starts at $100,550 including destination on Porsche USA website. That's with absolutely no options. Most dealers are selling the GT 500 over sticker, but some are selling them for sticker at around $80,000. I found a few dealers selling the C8 base around $60,000. If you have 100k to spend on a car, congrats you are doing very well. The $20k difference between these cars is a lot of money to us more common folk. That's our budget for a car if we are lucky.
Truth. Even if you found a no option 911 its still 20k more than a loaded Corvette. Hard to justify if you're thinking rationally and not just looking at the badge.
@@RCXDerp So true. I've looked at a GT350 for a long time. That engine is just amazing. Hopefully the C8 Z06 has the flat plane V8 so I can get the best of both worlds. All for ~90-100k. I don't think any Porsche could compete with a C8 with even 75% of the soul of the GT350 engine.
Amazing! The Mustang, and the Porsche have swapped places! It's taken a few decades to do it, but it has. I remember when the turbo 911 was the most lusted for, and fearsome car on the road. Hardened auto journalist tiptoed into the power for fear of stepping it out, and losing it. They downright feared rain! Those same journalist had no qualms about throwing the same year model Mustang around a track. Now it's the Mustang that has so much power you can drift practically any corner, and the Porsche is the well mannered track car. Times have certainly changed.
i've owned both and my GT350 is far more enjoyable and comfortable than the 911 let alone the purchase and servicing costs. Mustang is the rock concert ultimate music experience while the 911 is the symphony orchestra...
I'm still going back and forth C8 vs 911. The GT500 does look like a hoot and I'm sure it has a much more usable back seat. Speaking of backs, mine isn't great and I suspect the GT500 has the least back friendly suspension.
Awesome video. Fabulous cars in their own respective ways. This is why a silent electric car will never be on my list to buy. Well done gentleman for an excellent and non biased review.
Finally, someone who agrees with me. Never understood the fuss about Porsche's interior. To me they are BMW/Mercedes/Audi level, which is good but not Rolls Royce level.
C8 is fun to be in like a special occasion on the layout. GT500 can use a very serious update for the 95,000 ford is smoking crack with that half a decade old interior. Porsche have no faults on the interior but they dont take any risk so its very nice but nothing memorable
All the cars are great in their own right but I would definitely pick the 911 to go into my garage...porsche has arguably the best flat 6 engine, the best transmission, the best weight distribution, the best handling and the best interior of most cars on the road...I think there was a missed opportunity to make the Corvette an all wheel drive option...if you going to change a classic American sports car to mid-engine might as well offer a all wheel drive option...the mustang is great for what it is but as long as you can rent one at a airport they will always have a economy feel...
News for you ...you can rent a 911 at the airport also. Soon the C8 also. Let’s see the BMW 8 series looks like a Mustang. The new Volvo Polsar looks like a mustang. I think Ford nailed it with the look of the current mustang. Shelby , or Mustang GT PP2 you cant miss. C8 lacks some visceral feel and the boring 6500 rpm VS 7500 rpm on the Shelby.
I hope ford made a front mid engine using the same engine as ford GT, body of the ford GR1 concept car, and with the heritage name of Thunderbird... That would be great
The car that won is the car they’re both tried to jump in at the end of the video, the GT500. I was looking up the car online and then saw it in person on the street the same day and said I’m buying it. It looks menacing, sounds great, does a bit of everything well, and will cost you in the 80k, what the fuck else do you need. Ford has really stepped it up with the GT500.
@@fbfk997.2 They also do not go off of the in-car dash timer which is very inaccurate. They use a Vbox. th-cam.com/video/zcq1l3tLIjE/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
The GT500 is suppose to get a 3.3, yet look at it's 0-60, so in reality, the surface of the road is what matters and how much prep there is, how good the drivers are, and how much wheel spin you get.
Also add in the Supra. All that being said if I could have any sports car I would probably go with the GTS 4.0 Bigger, heavier, more power does not equal more fun.
Jeff K if they made a Supra in that general price segment I might agree. But yeah I know the 718 GTS would get my money were I to spend that kind of cash on a car.
The British guy is obviously Europe biased to say the Porsche has the best interior. To me it looks boring and cheap for a 100k car. I think the Corvette by far has the best interior with a lot more innovative design... But then again, I own a C7 corvette, so maybe I'm being biased lol
haviii the lego gunner so true. I own a ‘18 911 w/ manual and it is a modern marvel. Definitely respect the vette and stang, but the 911 driving experience in like nothing else.
Never seen a 0-60 for the Corvette with a 3.4s time. It is usually 2.9s, sometimes lower. When the Z06 comes out, it will still be less expensive than that Porsche and it will completely dominate it on the track.
Track pack Shelby would put those other two Cars to shame. Plus cost less then the 911. The 911 was way to quiet imo. Also the Shelby is a 10.6 1/4 mile car on a proper drag strip. Smiles per mile....Shelby. I owned a C8 sold it for a $17K profit and bought a Shelby for sticker. Any Ford dealer would still give me $5K over what I paid for it. A used 911 would lose $10K as soon as you turn the key.
There are different ways of measuring. Some measure from a stand still, while others subtract the first ft of the car moving (they call it "Rollout" and while some claim it only changes 0.1s in most cases it is more). This is one reason why some cars have different times when tested "in the real world" without the subtraction. Other influences are road surface, temperature and height above sea level. The important thing is that cars that get compared, are compared by the same messuring standards. And i guess they measured these cars under the same circumstances.
I'm becoming more and more a fan of the Porsche. Not that particular one, the one I'd go with is a Carrera 4S with the Aerokit (or the Turbo S if I win the lottery).
Lets not pretend that Porsche doesn't make a price competitive car better suited for this comparison. Unfortunately, we all know an $80k 718 Cayman S, would have been laughed off the track.
A great collection of cars. Your episode was let down by the lack of lap times or even footage of the cars being driven at the limit (other than some exterior shots of sliding). No comments on the handling balance of any of the cars? Most of the time was spent talking about interior quality and the engines. How do these compare on the street where they will spend most of their time? Come on Edmunds you can do better. I miss the days of Inside Line.
Decision is easy in Australia. Porsche rip Aussies off with disgusting price gouging at 340k+ for a 911 overpriced VW. Mustangs just... suck. The Corvette is a gorgeous V8 supercar for 200k.
I'd take the gt500 but you don't even have the handling pack which puts it 74k range I found them new for and Ive seen carbon track packs for $94k but either way buy a 70k base base gt500 or a carbon track pack and no major upgrades and you can make that gt500 a 1100whp major beast that runs low 9s in the 1/4 mile and it still handles. Plus over both cars the trans and engine can handle the power no problem. C8 the engine and dct can only handle 600hp and Porsche you will spend out the ass for upgrades
@@ken3923 what when the Vette is no longer a Vette? It's sad because these should've been called something else and they should've left the corvette. The c8 should be Chevies supercar.they marketed them well by saying they start at $60k 2 problems it 1 is they released it to soon it wasn't ready and majority of c8s have had tons of issues and the dash tells you to go to your local Chevy dealer. 2 is majority of the c8s sold cost $85-$95k and the pads are done after a few track runs and just for the little pads they cost $1100 which means the next variants are going to cost $200k to $300k so yes they will be fast but they're going the exotic route which means pricey everything dealer only servicing and we are losing the corvette you can build in your garage. Sucks!!!! Plus GM talked about no tuning for them which means you will be looking at a 15k motec ecu just to tune. Plus next variants are starting with a new engine which who knows the problems that will come with that. They needed a smaller engine to get the car better balanced. The c8 hadto much weight so people adding more weight with turbos are just making that weight and understeer worse. Plus if you listen what Biden said about the electric Vette doing 211 and he can't wait til it comes out means electric or half electric and gas. The car you buy is what you get no upgrading. I grew up around vettes. So Biden was out at GM and brought up the electric Vette I threw it on my TH-cam channel wayyy before my channel is ready. I loved what was going on with the car world Mustangs that can handle and mustang GTs running 8.00 In the 1/4 mile with a completely stock bottom end 760hp handling mustang Chevy with Camaro zl11le and the c7 zr1 and we'll dodge they just make no go tons of power. But it was a great time to live. But the Camaros gone next year and in my eyes the Vette we knew forever is gone. It's gonna be an unobtainable supercar. Which shouldve been badged something different and been Chevies super car. The Vette should kept being it's big hulking buildable car.
Plus all it takes is some sport cup 2s and the gt500 behaves a lot better on small courses. The Porsche has pzero tires on it which are the altimate for handling and traction. They have all weather's on the gt500 and c8 but c8 is midengine so gets its traction down. I'll but the base70k gt500 that usually beats both on a bigger tracks and you get the cheaper heated and cooled seats. Buy a set cup 2s and have 19k left to make a 1200hp gt500 that then will double tap those 2 cars
A car like the GT500 a sport/pony car that has over 750hp yet is as drivable average sports car or even a sporty sedan......Only in America you will find a pony car rivaling supercars from factory, it's simply impressive
Well, the Pony car here is obtainable, the 911 is for the guy who likes waving his money around, and the Vette says I may have shown up late to the party but here I am.
Seen a ton of other TH-camrs break 3 sec 0-60 times for the Corvette, a couple as low as 2.7 secs. What gives Edmunds? 3.4 secs is pretty poor. Need to get Austin from Speed Phenom on this channel.
You are talking about times from the in-car timer which has been proven to be wildly inaccurate. It can be off from 0.3-0.7 secs when compared to a dragy or vbox. I havent seen anyone replicate a sub 3 sec 0-60 time on a vbox. th-cam.com/video/zcq1l3tLIjE/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
91 octane is the best fuel we get in California, and we performed all testing on a street surface. Acceleration times will certainly be better on a drag strip and with higher octane fuel.
funny how they omitted the obvious in the comparison that the 911 is half the weight of the mustang..but i suppose weight has nothing to do with the transfer of power...
There are no videos that show the C8 running a sub-3sec 0-60 with an accurate measuring device like a Vbox or Dragy. The only time you see it is with the in-car timer which is wildly inaccurate by as much as 0.3-0.7 secs. th-cam.com/video/zcq1l3tLIjE/w-d-xo.html
@@Stanley112803 still no video of them actually doing it. They just post results. Not only that but car magazines also alter their times for elevation, weather, and temperature. You would think if the car was sub-3sec then you would see videos of just that. Instead every single one with a Vbox or Dragy shows low to mid 3 sec runs. Its weird.
Great content guys! Love all 3 cars. If money was not a concern I would buy all 3 of them! Up course the Z06 in the Corvette, GT3 Touring in the 911 and the GT500 as is! ($mile)
Porsche fast no drama , C8 rock and roll bad ass , GT500 badass heavy metal get the hell out of my way how I see it 😁
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J.P. Sayer it’s good but best in the world is a stretch . Best in the world at that price is true though
Why do you buy a sports car? For driving fun, right! The only car in the test where every driver was giggling like a school girl after her first kiss, was the Mustang.
Yes, if you combine 4,000 Lbs with 760 Hp, then, keep your right foot planted in it...your gas mileage is going to suck!
The Corvette is, generation one of a Chevrolet mid engine car! So, it is going to be a bit rough around the edges, but, it is a fun-naminal first try.
The 911 has been developing since the 60's, so yes, it will be more refined with; the steering wheel, seat and every button, in exactly, the correct place and being German made of the finest materials that the cars price will allow.
I like the way you did not say; this car is the best! Hell, they are all the best in their own way!
Why do all these cars have fake manual transmission? Do the test drivers suck that bad or does everybody buying these cars want to cosplay as a racecar driver?
@@pontiacGXPfanthe “fake manual” you refer to does not try to be manual at all it infact is an automatic and in these days it practically impossible to shift as well as the computers
Enjoyable show. But your whole episode takes place on a race track and we don't get lap times?
I was waiting for it too. disappointing
Same
And no drag race with all 3……what the heck? Just put them on the line and race them…see who wins
The Vette and the 911 might be “better” than the gt500, but they were definitely laughing the most in the Stang.
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Prolly cus it’s worse??
Probably cause its the biggest waste of money? Probably cause its the strongest but the fattest ego its the slowest
I really feel sorry for the 'Stang owner who wants to hold a conversation or listen to music or answer their phone...! The cabin noise is obnoxious! The Edmonds guys were probably laughing at the idea of some poor sod actually owning one for a daily driver!
The mere fact that a GT500 is even n this flight proves otherwise.
True its not refined and quiet.. but that is how its intended to be and I feel pity for the idiots who still try to blame the GT500.
Try giving 760 HP to a customer with a DCT and with a chassis that can handle power.. unlike the previous GT500 the new 1 s extremely stable and 1 has to be a moron to spin it..
Also its heavy and that only adds to its appeal... many don't understand that...
Not a Porsche fan at all but they deserve big props for taking the car they had from day one and just evolving it to make it better👌🏾
What is the GT500 then?
@@RCXDerp a great performance car with big gaps in its "evolution".
Porsche's only real departure from 911 tradition was the 991 RSR(MR drive layout by moving engine forward and flipping it around)
Rear engine kept them from using a rear diffuser for years.(RSR not street legal,BTW)
Its a true evolution,model by model since 1964.
The same can't really be said about the GT500.
You truly get what you pay for with a Porsche. There is no substitute......
@@LeeePowers you know Porsche tried Front engine rear drive right? Early Porsches had pretty hairy handling, so they developed the 928. Porsche traditionalists wouldn't buy it, so forced Porsche to refine the rear engine layout to make it handle predictably.
I've always enjoyed Carlos reviewing cars, glad he's back at it!
Porsche is about quality and feeling. Corvette and the Mustang are about performance per buck
I feel bad for the GT500 driver having to put a front license plate on. It's such an eye sore.
Don’t feel bad, they still have a GT500 to thrash at any given whim.
Tell that to California
It’s on a quick disconnect
Mustang for its sound, Porsche for its heritage and Corvette for its looks. No winners of losers here , all great cars.
I am a very lucky chap. I managed to get ahold of both a lovely chalk 911 992 and a 2020 gt500... and I could tell you I would rather die before having to choose only 1 of them to drive xD. I have to admit, I LOVE THEM BOTH, but if i really had to go for one, despite the porsche even having a tune to 515HP and only 3.0 sec to 60mph with it, the GT500 is the most fun and hardcore car I have ever driven, thus ill always go for it!
The 992 911 is the best daily driver. I had one and sold it for an Alfa 4c. What!? It was not my daily, and it was simply not a fun car to drive on occasion, tall gearing means jail time when you wind it out. Also did not like the overbearing nanny systems. The 4C is a pure sports car, fun, quick, full of genuine character and always a thrill even when simply running errands.
Oh and about the 911 steering wheel; yes it looks good HOWEVER, it has a cheap black plastic inlay that you can move and squeak with your fingers and has fake Allen head bolts molded in, really Porsche? It’s a $100k plus car! AND, while the interior is nice you are constantly reminded that unless you spend $150k (very easy to do) it’s incomplete. The door panels when not finished in leather look cheap. The C8 has really made the 911 superfluous, if you can get past the badge...
I can't wait for the C8Z!
911 has been on my list forever and was close to pulling the trigger... until the the C8. Now I’m up in the air.
I am in the same boat. The Corvette is a lot less expensive although the Porsche will hold the value better. I am having a hard time justifying the price for a car that will sit in the garage most of the time waiting for the occasional weekend drive.
WoW, the exhaust sound on that GT500 is 🤤🤤
I'll take the Corvette. Just something about a mid-engine V8 is so thrilling. And with the Z06 coming with a flat-plane crank, it's going to be incredible.
The mustangs sound like shit (or a long fart) IMO! I too cant wait for the C8Z!
50 out of 50 of the fatest cars on the planet, verified by Dragy, are front engine. Expand to the top 100 and #98 is a heavily modded Hurican. All MRE cars are slow AF.
@@135iN55 or there are far fewer mid or rear engine cars on the road and very few of those are modded to the same extent! (which I get due to cost and value). From a performance standpoint, the mid engine layout is generally superior... This coming from a 7 second TT Viper owner.
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@@ssoffshore5111 Oh yes my GT350 is also twin turbo and 1400hp and my girlfriend has E cups too
The GT500 is the life of the party and doesn't make any apologies for it! Buy the GT500...you only live once...enjoy it and never apologies.
Nah... I'm good... it's overpowered... it could barely put its power down. So, in true Mustang tradition, I expect to hear lots of stories of these GT500s spinning out as they come out of their local Cars & Coffee events. I'd go for the Corvette first, 911 second, and if I had to take the GT500, I'd just sell it and buy the 'Vette.
@@theranter GT500 put its power down good enough to beat a C8 at VIR.
@@richardmodglin3900 Oh, you mean where it had long enough straights to use its only advantage, straight line speed, to make up for it's lack of cornering ability in comparison to the C8? I saw that video too, and clearly, the C8 is much better in the corners than the GT500. All that video proved is that the GT500 is just a typical overpowered Mustang... fast in a straight line, not so much in the corners. If it weren't for those long straights, the GT500 would have lost. Put both cars on a tight technical course, and the GT500 would be going home with its tail between its legs.
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I didn't hear Randy complaining about the Stangs ability to turn. Of course the C8 is faster in the turns. It should be. It's an International race track and the vette lost to the Mustang. End of story.
@@richardmodglin3900 No, he wasn't complaining, probably because he was amazed that it could handle at all... lol
The only reason the GT500 won is the straights... period. If you took the straights out of the picture, the GT500 would have lost. It only won because it has 760hp, and could rocket down the straights to make up for its subpar cornering. And it barely won, considering it was up against a car that has 265 hp less than it does. That's a whole Ford Edge ST worth of hp and then some... and it barely won.
Corvette looks the best inside and out easily. Reliability, cost, spares and performance..its got to be the BASE ENTRY LEVEL Corvette. The Corvette is not 0 to 60mph in 3.4 seconds where did they get that from?.it can do it in 2.9 seconds. Naturally aspirated. Unlike the porsche or mustang. Everyone who has seen the Corvettes interior, especially the 2 colour interior has said that the quality is superb....The square steering wheel is fine in a ferrari or mclaren..so it's fine in a Corvette. Just wait for the Z06 and ZR1.
Actually the C8 is having a lot of pads issues right now...
Nice you guys keep this up you’ll surpass motor trend in no time
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Motor Trend? People still watch those assholes? I remember when they took their good shows off of youtube and put them behind a paywall on their own On Demand service, and then made that video where they were all "GREAT NEWS! Thank you for saving us from financial collapse by watching our TH-cam channel and all, but in return, we're effectively ditching you all unless you pay us to watch the shows we used to post here by buying Motor Trend On Demand!"
I haven't watched or read a single thing from them since that dickheaded announcement.
I got a c8 in rapid blue as well I’m waiting for it to arrive at my local dealership
One year later. How long did it take?
@@hwnwhaler1 this is very funny i ended up getting a c7 z06 as i didn’t get my 2021 allocation. I got bumped to 2022 and then I said not waiting any longer
Watched the whole video. Best part was the last few seconds… when both drivers wanted to end their day in the car that finished in 3rd place. It’s not refined… or as classy. It’s just badass.
I'd probably have the Porsche out of all 3. Although the Shelby is the most insane out of them.
That dual clutch transmission in the GT500 is no joke. It's the first production mustang and pony car with a DCT which is cool.
Gotta love these horsepower differences!! great video!! 👍
The c8 and the Porsche are close
Love all 3 cars. Carlos Lago is a known Chevy fan boy with his expressed love for Camaro’s and the C8 Corvette, none of that is top secret. However, even Carlos can recognize the greatness of that GT500. Randy Pobst drove the Gt500 and the 992 Porsche 912 Turbo back to back on a track. The results... The 911 beat the “unrefined” American slob of a car, the GT500, by a mere 3/10 of one second. Ali stair doesn’t hide his Euro-snob affection for the 911. Saying the fit and finish of the 911, among other things, when compared to the other two is a “Designer Suit” I love 911’s but that C8 Vette’s fit and finish is right there with the 911’s. Sorry Alistair, it just is. A little bit of advice, these two American cars are just as good as that base 911, and both are much cheaper too. I love Carlos for his honesty and fairness. Alistair, you really need to work on your humility and give credit where credit is due. The C8 and the GT500 are both in the same class as that base 911. With a professional driver behind the wheel, like a Randy Pobst, he would prove my claim that the Americans are just as good, if not better, than that base 911
That front license plate on the Mustang...criminal.
I would love to have a front license plate….with that car mounted behind it!
Enjoyed the analysis....In the past few years I’ve owned 3 mini’s including a JCW, and i8... and now have a Vet on order. Haven’t owned a GM product for at least 10 years. Started paying attention to the Vet a year ago and so ordered one. It comes with a discount on the driving school... Perfect.... I’m 72.... Time for a tune up! 😎
Great video comparison, been a Carlos fan since he was with MotorTrend
Great commentary guys. A pleasure to watch.
I don't really know lickety split about cars but man was this fun to watch! Great videos, all such beautiful cars in their own ways. Man, just gotta shout out that corvette, it really looks awesome!
The way I see it the 911 is an absolute feat of german engineering, it can go head to head with the other two cars despite it being underpowered and based on all the reviews it handles like a surgical knife, the C8 is the evolution of the classic american musclecar, it's an icon taken to the next level on it´s way to competing with every european mid engine supercar and the GT500 is the pinnacle of the american front engine supercar, loud, visceral fast and reaching unthinkable levels of handling putting behind the bad rep most muscle cars had. Personally I´d take the 911 without a second thought but all three are spectacular machines.
Randy pobst had a dead tie between a 911 GT3 RS top dog VS Shelby GT 500 track pack. On a road course. Guess what the price difference is.almost 3 to 1.
@@mikewatch1487 except GT3RS will perform the same in every track you throw at it, while GT500 will suffer heating and issues on some tracks like Nurburging! 2nd you buy GT3RS 200K but you also sell it 180-200K while you buy GT500 at 80K you sell it 30-40K which is better value now?
I can’t wait for the new comparisons with the new z06, 680 NA hp from a 5.5 liter flat plane crank, 4.5 “ wider with 335’s in the rear and 295s up front and a track pack, game changet
Carlos at the ... I guess I'll take the Corvette says it all
Yeah. I heard that too
Each of these cars has its own brand loyal buyers that weighs a lot on their decision Adept comparison review
How do you expect them to rate brand loyalty?
nah i love both the 911 and GT 500 i would buy both!
Not to nit pick, but the Porsche 911 starts at $100,550 including destination on Porsche USA website. That's with absolutely no options.
Most dealers are selling the GT 500 over sticker, but some are selling them for sticker at around $80,000.
I found a few dealers selling the C8 base around $60,000. If you have 100k to spend on a car, congrats you are doing very well.
The $20k difference between these cars is a lot of money to us more common folk. That's our budget for a car if we are lucky.
Truth. Even if you found a no option 911 its still 20k more than a loaded Corvette. Hard to justify if you're thinking rationally and not just looking at the badge.
@@Jaahhhnnnn even a GT4 cayman is like 105k and that is a real drivers car I'll stick with my GT350 for a while
@@RCXDerp So true. I've looked at a GT350 for a long time. That engine is just amazing. Hopefully the C8 Z06 has the flat plane V8 so I can get the best of both worlds. All for ~90-100k. I don't think any Porsche could compete with a C8 with even 75% of the soul of the GT350 engine.
@@Jaahhhnnnn A 3LT C8 with all the options is a $100,000 car!
Amazing! The Mustang, and the Porsche have swapped places! It's taken a few decades to do it, but it has. I remember when the turbo 911 was the most lusted for, and fearsome car on the road. Hardened auto journalist tiptoed into the power for fear of stepping it out, and losing it. They downright feared rain! Those same journalist had no qualms about throwing the same year model Mustang around a track. Now it's the Mustang that has so much power you can drift practically any corner, and the Porsche is the well mannered track car.
Times have certainly changed.
i've owned both and my GT350 is far more enjoyable and comfortable than the 911 let alone the purchase and servicing costs. Mustang is the rock concert ultimate music experience while the 911 is the symphony orchestra...
I'm still going back and forth C8 vs 911. The GT500 does look like a hoot and I'm sure it has a much more usable back seat. Speaking of backs, mine isn't great and I suspect the GT500 has the least back friendly suspension.
Awesome video. Fabulous cars in their own respective ways. This is why a silent electric car will never be on my list to buy. Well done gentleman for an excellent and non biased review.
You guys have the dopest jobs. I applaud thee.
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I'll have a 911 with a 7-speed manual please.
You guys are on a track and no lap times?
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I think c8 interior is way better than 911..
Finally, someone who agrees with me. Never understood the fuss about Porsche's interior. To me they are BMW/Mercedes/Audi level, which is good but not Rolls Royce level.
I think so too
C8 is fun to be in like a special occasion on the layout. GT500 can use a very serious update for the 95,000 ford is smoking crack with that half a decade old interior. Porsche have no faults on the interior but they dont take any risk so its very nice but nothing memorable
All the cars are great in their own right but I would definitely pick the 911 to go into my garage...porsche has arguably the best flat 6 engine, the best transmission, the best weight distribution, the best handling and the best interior of most cars on the road...I think there was a missed opportunity to make the Corvette an all wheel drive option...if you going to change a classic American sports car to mid-engine might as well offer a all wheel drive option...the mustang is great for what it is but as long as you can rent one at a airport they will always have a economy feel...
The Corvette looks easily the best and has the best interior, makes Porsche look dull to me.
News for you ...you can rent a 911 at the airport also. Soon the C8 also. Let’s see the BMW 8 series looks like a Mustang. The new Volvo Polsar looks like a mustang. I think Ford nailed it with the look of the current mustang. Shelby , or Mustang GT PP2 you cant miss. C8 lacks some visceral feel and the boring 6500 rpm VS 7500 rpm on the Shelby.
I hope ford made a front mid engine using the same engine as ford GT, body of the ford GR1 concept car, and with the heritage name of Thunderbird... That would be great
Yes I was waiting for this video!!!
A track pack Shelby @ $95K would distroy those other non visceral cars.
Did you use the Sport Response Button on the 911 quarter mile and 0-60 times?
I am in the ordering queue for a C8 Z06, but if $$$ was not an issue, I would buy a 911 Turbo S, but at $260K, hard to justify.
The car that won is the car they’re both tried to jump in at the end of the video, the GT500. I was looking up the car online and then saw it in person on the street the same day and said I’m buying it. It looks menacing, sounds great, does a bit of everything well, and will cost you in the 80k, what the fuck else do you need. Ford has really stepped it up with the GT500.
C8 is the easy winner for me.
718 GTS for me. :P
Why go to a track and not have lap times?
C8 0 to 60 at 3.4?? I've never had a time more then 3.0 in launch mode!? 🤔
They do it on unprepped surfaces and do not subtract roll-out like other car magazines do.
I don't think I've seen one under 3.0 on a real road
@@fbfk997.2 They also do not go off of the in-car dash timer which is very inaccurate. They use a Vbox.
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@@fbfk997.2 2.7 seconds..but for accurate time 2.9
The GT500 is suppose to get a 3.3, yet look at it's 0-60, so in reality, the surface of the road is what matters and how much prep there is, how good the drivers are, and how much wheel spin you get.
The 911 GTS. Nuff said.
Waiting to revisit some of these comments after the c8 Z06 comes out.
The new Corvette is just a very special car for the money.
Great comparison. I'd like to have seen the 718 GTS 4.0 or GT4 in the comparison too.
Also add in the Supra. All that being said if I could have any sports car I would probably go with the GTS 4.0 Bigger, heavier, more power does not equal more fun.
Jeff K if they made a Supra in that general price segment I might agree. But yeah I know the 718 GTS would get my money were I to spend that kind of cash on a car.
718 GTS 4.0 wins.
Gotta love these horsepower differences lol 😂 great video!!
Wow! You can really see the interior build quality between the 3 in this vid
The British guy is obviously Europe biased to say the Porsche has the best interior. To me it looks boring and cheap for a 100k car. I think the Corvette by far has the best interior with a lot more innovative design... But then again, I own a C7 corvette, so maybe I'm being biased lol
C8 is really growing on me
The C8 has pulled sub 3 second 0-60 times. What testing have y'all been doing??
I agree I've been getting 2.8 2.8
All such great cars but it's the 911 for me!
Shelby for me. All 3 are bad ass though.
Still waiting for laptimes. And since TH-cam is a videochannel, why don't we get to SEE the dragrace instead of just showing times?
Porsche makes sportscars. The other cars are cars with performance.
haviii the lego gunner so true. I own a ‘18 911 w/ manual and it is a modern marvel. Definitely respect the vette and stang, but the 911 driving experience in like nothing else.
Great video, thank you guys!
I just saw a GT 500 today! that thing sounds pretty good!!
Could you do a review with the three but with the track pack gt500
Never seen a 0-60 for the Corvette with a 3.4s time. It is usually 2.9s, sometimes lower. When the Z06 comes out, it will still be less expensive than that Porsche and it will completely dominate it on the track.
Track pack Shelby would put those other two Cars to shame. Plus cost less then the 911. The 911 was way to quiet imo. Also the Shelby is a 10.6 1/4 mile car on a proper drag strip. Smiles per mile....Shelby. I owned a C8 sold it for a $17K profit and bought a Shelby for sticker. Any Ford dealer would still give me $5K over what I paid for it. A used 911 would lose $10K as soon as you turn the key.
There are different ways of measuring. Some measure from a stand still, while others subtract the first ft of the car moving (they call it "Rollout" and while some claim it only changes 0.1s in most cases it is more). This is one reason why some cars have different times when tested "in the real world" without the subtraction. Other influences are road surface, temperature and height above sea level. The important thing is that cars that get compared, are compared by the same messuring standards. And i guess they measured these cars under the same circumstances.
Kkk... Call me turbo s please...
I'm becoming more and more a fan of the Porsche. Not that particular one, the one I'd go with is a Carrera 4S with the Aerokit (or the Turbo S if I win the lottery).
Lets not pretend that Porsche doesn't make a price competitive car better suited for this comparison. Unfortunately, we all know an $80k 718 Cayman S, would have been laughed off the track.
All of them are so cool, the mustang looks like a beast ready to kick crap!!
I don't believe the 992 Carrera base is available with a manual transmission as you stated. The Carrera S is available MT or PDK.
A great collection of cars. Your episode was let down by the lack of lap times or even footage of the cars being driven at the limit (other than some exterior shots of sliding). No comments on the handling balance of any of the cars? Most of the time was spent talking about interior quality and the engines. How do these compare on the street where they will spend most of their time? Come on Edmunds you can do better. I miss the days of Inside Line.
I take the Corvette 😍😍😍
The 911 is not enough spectacular looking for me.
C8.....thank you
I’m buying a corvette
Decision is easy in Australia.
Porsche rip Aussies off with disgusting price gouging at 340k+ for a 911 overpriced VW.
Mustangs just... suck.
The Corvette is a gorgeous V8 supercar for 200k.
The C8 has the lowest roofline.
Very hard to hear what is being said while driving and really tough in the Mustang. Maybe locating the microphone in a different location?
Whats the point of 700 horsepower if you cant put the power down
Noticeable lag in shifting the PDK. More than I thought it would be.
CORVETTE looks the best. Best bang for your buck. TOO MANY COMMERCIALS.
Can Edmunds now buy a camera that doesn't produce jittery in car video?
Where was that track? Is that Willow Springs or some other road track in the boonies?
Streets of Willow!
Porsche boring as hell. C8 just right and looks fantastic. Shelby GT 500 big car with great engine and trans. I’d pick the C8. Second the GT500
A GT350 would’ve been more appropriate than a gt500 fyi
So if these were women: the 911 you take to a concert , the C8 to dinner and the GT500 to bed ! ;-D
Fun comparo! If you did track-day them, which one would be the least expensive, assuming no crashes.
I'll take the GT500 over the other two any day!
Drop the license plate on the front of the stang.
Let’s keep in mind, this is the base model 911... the 911 S has the same engine tuned to 443 hp. It completely outperformed the C8
At how much coin?
Rob DC good point I was thinking he same as the OP but then the price.. which then one could wait & compare it to the C8 Z06
I'd take the gt500 but you don't even have the handling pack which puts it 74k range I found them new for and Ive seen carbon track packs for $94k but either way buy a 70k base base gt500 or a carbon track pack and no major upgrades and you can make that gt500 a 1100whp major beast that runs low 9s in the 1/4 mile and it still handles. Plus over both cars the trans and engine can handle the power no problem. C8 the engine and dct can only handle 600hp and Porsche you will spend out the ass for upgrades
What's crazy is the GT500 is a mid 10 second car with crazy trap speeds around 130-134mph. Ford nailed it!
Let's see what happens in a few years when the ZO6 ZR1 or Zora versions are available
@@ken3923 what when the Vette is no longer a Vette? It's sad because these should've been called something else and they should've left the corvette. The c8 should be Chevies supercar.they marketed them well by saying they start at $60k 2 problems it 1 is they released it to soon it wasn't ready and majority of c8s have had tons of issues and the dash tells you to go to your local Chevy dealer. 2 is majority of the c8s sold cost $85-$95k and the pads are done after a few track runs and just for the little pads they cost $1100 which means the next variants are going to cost $200k to $300k so yes they will be fast but they're going the exotic route which means pricey everything dealer only servicing and we are losing the corvette you can build in your garage. Sucks!!!! Plus GM talked about no tuning for them which means you will be looking at a 15k motec ecu just to tune. Plus next variants are starting with a new engine which who knows the problems that will come with that. They needed a smaller engine to get the car better balanced. The c8 hadto much weight so people adding more weight with turbos are just making that weight and understeer worse. Plus if you listen what Biden said about the electric Vette doing 211 and he can't wait til it comes out means electric or half electric and gas. The car you buy is what you get no upgrading. I grew up around vettes. So Biden was out at GM and brought up the electric Vette I threw it on my TH-cam channel wayyy before my channel is ready. I loved what was going on with the car world Mustangs that can handle and mustang GTs running 8.00 In the 1/4 mile with a completely stock bottom end 760hp handling mustang Chevy with Camaro zl11le and the c7 zr1 and we'll dodge they just make no go tons of power. But it was a great time to live. But the Camaros gone next year and in my eyes the Vette we knew forever is gone. It's gonna be an unobtainable supercar. Which shouldve been badged something different and been Chevies super car. The Vette should kept being it's big hulking buildable car.
Plus all it takes is some sport cup 2s and the gt500 behaves a lot better on small courses. The Porsche has pzero tires on it which are the altimate for handling and traction. They have all weather's on the gt500 and c8 but c8 is midengine so gets its traction down. I'll but the base70k gt500 that usually beats both on a bigger tracks and you get the cheaper heated and cooled seats. Buy a set cup 2s and have 19k left to make a 1200hp gt500 that then will double tap those 2 cars
@@carculturenation2166 GT500 is on Michelin PS4S. Max performance Summer, not all season.
Yet, The gt500 is the one that put a smile on your faces..
911 base? Kicks ass
A car like the GT500 a sport/pony car that has over 750hp yet is as drivable average sports car or even a sporty sedan......Only in America you will find a pony car rivaling supercars from factory, it's simply impressive
Yep. Those still using the last gen GT500 to argue that this new one can't handle either are making a big mistake.
Well, the Pony car here is obtainable, the 911 is for the guy who likes waving his money around, and the Vette says I may have shown up late to the party but here I am.
The mustang starts off well over 70,000 you must be rich
@@KiingPoop lmao no not at all. you dont have to be rich?!
Conner McGarrah well you let me know someone who is not wealthy that just have 100’000 to buy a mustang with
@@KiingPoop also the starting price for a GT 500 is 70,000 so your comment that it starts well over 70k is not true.
Conner McGarrah you’re wrong buddy go do your research👍🏼
Seen a ton of other TH-camrs break 3 sec 0-60 times for the Corvette, a couple as low as 2.7 secs. What gives Edmunds? 3.4 secs is pretty poor. Need to get Austin from Speed Phenom on this channel.
You are talking about times from the in-car timer which has been proven to be wildly inaccurate. It can be off from 0.3-0.7 secs when compared to a dragy or vbox. I havent seen anyone replicate a sub 3 sec 0-60 time on a vbox.
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91 octane is the best fuel we get in California, and we performed all testing on a street surface. Acceleration times will certainly be better on a drag strip and with higher octane fuel.
@@EK-rr2md 3 seconds.
Watch throttle house review. The 992 they're using is a base with 379 hp, and the c8 has 495 the 4s 922 with 440 absolutely crushes the c8
Watching them laugh like actual children while driving the GT500 is 🤌🏿.
funny how they omitted the obvious in the comparison that the 911 is half the weight of the mustang..but i suppose weight has nothing to do with the transfer of power...
where the drage race at !!?
Keep an eye out...
Who did these times? The C8 is a sub 3 second car.
There are no videos that show the C8 running a sub-3sec 0-60 with an accurate measuring device like a Vbox or Dragy. The only time you see it is with the in-car timer which is wildly inaccurate by as much as 0.3-0.7 secs.
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@@EK-rr2md not sure what Motortrend and Car and Driver use for their tests but both of them recorded sub 3 second times
@@Stanley112803 still no video of them actually doing it. They just post results. Not only that but car magazines also alter their times for elevation, weather, and temperature. You would think if the car was sub-3sec then you would see videos of just that. Instead every single one with a Vbox or Dragy shows low to mid 3 sec runs. Its weird.
Great content guys! Love all 3 cars. If money was not a concern I would buy all 3 of them! Up course the Z06 in the Corvette, GT3 Touring in the 911 and the GT500 as is! ($mile)