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- ABC News’ Steve Osunsami addresses criticism behind Erivo's “blackness” related to her portrayal of Harriet Tubman, despite being a British actor.
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Correction. Harriet Tubman is one of the most important figures in US history.
Not to white people....
This is an incomplete story. They didn't address the negative tweets she made about black Americans. That's one of the reasons people were upset about her getting the role. And the female host comes off as dismissive.
What tweets? Link here.
Maybe she warrants criticism for the "tweets" that I still to read about it. But the story here is different.
I had no clue who this stupid group is, until ABC gave them an airtime. A few points to be said;
(1) When it comes to acting, no one cares about the origins of the actor/actress. The story has to be told and the viewers has to feel it. So a skilled actor/actress have to be picked.
There were controversy about only white students playing Founding Fathers roles in school plays because they "looked the part". And non-white students were excluded. Then schools changed that to get kids to participate in historic plays. And the only criteria was a person's ability to play the role. "Hamilton" was a big success, although the play didn't adhere to the color of each historic figure. Who cares!!
2) Affirmative Action programs (which I'm against and I'm black) are not premised today on helping those who faced injustice in the past. Because it doesn't distinguish affluent blacks from poor blacks or poor whites. No socioeconomic consideration. It just consider blackness.
Of course proponents of Affirmative Action have abandoned that. Because the counter-argument is "not after 50 years of Civil Rights Act", and "a poor white kid in WV is having similar rough time" and "for how long will that continue". All are legitimate arguments. So proponents shifted to just another argument, {"ethnic diversity is wonderful"}. And it comes from institutions themselves. Black proponents can't make that argument because a common reply may question the benefit of such proposition and it looks self-serving. It comes from institutions (businesses, schools..etc).
¤ ¤ The entire drama peddled by this fringe group is about is about grievance peddling and attention seeking. There will not be any repatriation. Forget about it. People moved-on. So move along.
I think you she's insecure because she's light-skinned and some racist blacks measure the degree of skin color to determine if someone is black. So this issue is her counter attack on them. Both of these groups look idiotic in the eyes of the society.
I made a comment in a random IG comment section and the director of the color purple stage play (I kid you not) came and cursed me out. Then tagged her and she came and said i was stalking her and I was crazy. I dont know that duck headed woman, never met her a day in my life. But it made me look crazy and it deflected from my comment of her not addressing her anti African American sentiment and friendship with anti African American bloggers. And her starring in a disrespectful rendition of Harriet Tubmans story. Shes a foul woman.
THANK YOU.
Exactly. The piece is disingenuous and fails to mention Cynthia's many disparaging comments about African Americans on African immigrant blogs
The reason why people don't like her is because she was consigning her friend's tweets referring to American blacks as 'Acatas' and ABs not having any culture of their own!!
"Akata" just means a foreign, black person even though it is used colloquially to reference African-Americans. It's not really derogatory. She's wrong for the culture comment though. That's totally incorrect.
Aside from the fact that it looks like she did zero research on Harriet Tubman, she broke code. Who says "ghetto American accent" to a white British actor and not think that black Americans would feel a certain way about it.
@@TheVuduYuDu "Aside from the fact that it looks like she did zero research on Harriet Tubman" HOW YOU KNOW THAT ? YOU SOUND STUPID ! AND GHETTO DOESNT MEAN BLACK ! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM NOT HER ! AND THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED ghetto American accent SHE IS AN ACTRESS AND HER JOB IS TO PLAY ACCENTS !
@@TheVuduYuDu THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU DROP OUT OF HS AND FOLLOW INTERNET GURUS LMAO !
@@TheVuduYuDu SHE WOULDVE NEVER BEEN SELECTED IF SHE WASNT A GOOD ACTRESS AND PART OF HER JOB WAS TO STUDY HER ROLE WHICH SHE DID ! NIGGAS WILL SAY EVERY AND ANYTHING TO CONCEAL THEIR REAL FEELINGS TOWARDS HER ! JUST ADMIT YOU ARE A XENOPHOBE AND MOVE ON !
"One of the most important figures in black American history " umm no .. Harriet od one of the most important figures in AMERICAN HISTORY PERIOD!
Not to white people...
Yeah, we learned alot about her in school and i even helped my little brother write a presentation on her. She was up there in importance for learning about history like Abe Lincoln, General Grant, Frederick Douglass, ect.
Her being British is the least of our concerns.
You have bigger problems
@@ingiashialorde8240 bigger and longer problems
WHATS THE YOUR CONCERN ?
ACT IN YOUR OWN BRITISH FILM INDUSTRY, HOW ABOUT THAT CONCERN
@@lindar6326 THATS CALLED XENOPHOBIA !ITS FUNNY THAT ITS BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO ARE NOW TALKING THIS WAY !
You know what sucks? I have to rely on the comments to get a complete picture of what REALLY happened. You would think CNN, ABC, FOX would all do their research.
The news are owned and operated by white supremacists, so no you're not going to get the truth in the news on tv.
Read a book instead of relying on the media period.
@@jettap7652 valid
the media will never tell you the truth
Jetta P I don’t believe any books have been published on this subject quite yet
The whole point has been missed...someone always trying to down play the whole narrative of this issue..
Or someone trying to up play the whole narrative, and, of course, if you are for the up playing of the narrative, the down playing of the narrative certainly won't be appreciated.
Viola Davis should’ve been cast as Harriet Tubman. Period!
maybe she didn't want to do the role because the role is typical of what black actors here get pertaining roles. Viola has even mentioned that she is tired of that type of role and that the Black- American experiences are different and advanced and need to be told in the present.
Agreed
Yasssss
Point blank 🙌🏽
Exactly. And Viola Davis is not a black actress. She's a phenomenal actress. Big difference. Black people need to separate the two. You can't expect to get an Oscar just because you're black and came out with one movie. I mean, I'm not gonna say Martin Lawrence deserves an Oscar just because he starred in 'Bad Boys 3.' You have to be great, first.
The disingenuousness of this interview is just too much.
ADOS = AMERICAN Descendants Of Slavery, not AFRICAN Descendants Of Slavery.
But leave it to the network under the auspices of Abigail Disney to distort information regarding black people.
The objection to the film "Harriet" by many #ADOS goes a lot deeper than just the lead actress, who by the way has made disparaging remarks about Black Americans - should Mel Gibson be cast to play a key figure in Jewish American or European history?
The whole movie, directed and produced by ADOS women, had an anti-black agenda, and was historically inaccurate, including a fictional character, a big, black man named Bigger Long, hired as a bounty hunter to hunt down Harriet Tubman. They never historically accurately depicted violence against the black slaves on the part of the white slaveowners, because of "slavery fatigue," but they sure could depict Bigger Long beating a female slave to death. In a movie which is supposed to depict a black female heroine freeing her people from slavery by white slaveowners, they made the fictional black man the main protagonist, in an effort to propagate the stereotype of the big black bogeyman in the media. And in the end, Bigger Long is killed by Harriet's former slaveowners, to save her life. If the slaveowner wasn't such a bad guy, why did Harriet risk her life to free herself and her people from slavery?
These were the problems with the movie, not just that an immigrant was playing the main role.
They would have done better to not approach this topic at all. It was unbalanced.
So they are not going to address her Tweets on how she feels about Black Americans?
The white man puts who he wants in his movies.Your job is to pay to watch the movie as usual.Why don't you complain about Popeyes selling you unhealthy chicken sandwiches?
QUOTE HER ! STOP LYING
@LivingThe VeganLife alot of black folks go to Popeyes, but want to hate on another sister who is making process in her life.
No they're not going to address her tweets because this is ABC WHITE MEDIA.. WAKEUP BLACK PEOPLE. Our story will only correctly be told through BLACK OWNED MEDIA
@@mikemushipe6023 Alot of whites go to popeyes as well.
It wasn't because "Erivo was British," it was the things that she said and alluded to about Black Americans, and how hypocritical it was that she made these comments yet her "leg up," came by portraying staples of Black American life i.e. the character of Ciely and the real life Harriet Tubman. ADOS, and reparations, don't have anything to do with this. While ADOS may be the loudest and collective voice expressing a certain sentiment, it is not the totality or crux of this sentiment.
SIdenote: Reparations were given to slave owners and their descendants so why not to slaves and theirs?
Also what makes Samuel L Jackson "The Dean of Black Actors?"
That was a big surprise. This is a man who has made his career playing what most black actors complained about: crack heads, foul-mouthed knuckleheads. Oh, and by the way, Jackson went to a very prestigious university for acting. His comment kinda took me back.
kjdnyhmghfvb TALK 👏🏾 ABOUT 👏🏾 IT! And that’s the real reason we didn’t care for Cynthia taking on the role of Harriet
Why not slaves and theres? Because that would be a huge undertaking to even begin to attempt. Also slave owners descendants aren’t currently receiving payments by the government. Common sense shows why Slave owners where compensated(I personally dont agree with that part) and anyone with a functioning brain can see why reparations would do more harm overall than good.
@iamthetarotpractitioner 💯
iamthetarotpractitioner NA and Japanese are different. One was/is done as part of a deal between governments and a small portion of the population that was negatively effected by fear during a time of war. Far different than having to prove how Black you are, did you have ancestors in the US who where slaves or impacted by it etc. who will pay for it? The US government? Only White people? Asians? Natives since a percent also owned slaves? Not a clear cut solution. And not the same as NA reparations. Also the amount of division it will create isnt worth it imo in the end. Instead we should and the government should continue to push for opportunities/advancements of Black people not direct reparations.
Didn't she say something negative about black Americans? So why have a person who's being negative about black Americans play a black hero?
Oooh? Is that what happened? This report is so misleading. Had to figure out the full picture from the comment section. And here I was thinking Black Americans were just being too much lol
Of course they would leave that part out🤷🏾♂️🤔
CSB853
What did she say? Are you asking if she said something negative or are you just spreading rumors based on something you heard? You have no context. Drama drama -the news is biased. And people like you are ignorant
@@felixhernandez1402 No she actually made those tweets. You can look them up easily.
African booty scratcher is what Africans are called here. That has stopped African Americans from playing roles like Nelson Mandela. Idi Amin Dada, Ashanti, Winnie Mandela and various African icons. Even stories set in Africa are played by African Americans. Hotel Rwanda, etc
This is completely taken out of context. The issue with Cynthia Erivo is that she talks negatively about Black Americans. Look at her old tweets and interviews. The issue with the movie is that it was completely historically inaccurate.
It’s a movie not a documentary.
@@ericeandco Exactly. I had no clue who this stupid group is, until ABC gave them an airtime. A few points to be said;
(1) When it comes to acting, no one cares about the origins of the actor/actress. The story has to be told and the viewers has to feel it. So a skilled actor/actress have to be picked.
There were controversy about only white students playing Founding Fathers roles in school plays because they "looked the part". And non-white students were excluded. Then schools changed that to get kids to participate in historic plays. And the only criteria was a person's ability to play the role. "Hamilton" was a big success, although the play didn't adhere to the color of each historic figure. Who cares!!
2) Affirmative Action programs (which I'm against and I'm black) are not premised today on helping those who faced injustice in the past. Because it doesn't distinguish affluent blacks from poor blacks or poor whites. No socioeconomic consideration. It just consider blackness.
Of course proponents of Affirmative Action have abandoned that. Because the counter-argument is "not after 50 years of Civil Rights Act", and "a poor white kid in WV is having similar rough time" and "for how long will that continue". All are legitimate arguments. So proponents shifted to just another argument, {"ethnic diversity is wonderful"}. And it comes from institutions themselves. Black proponents can't make that argument because a common reply may question the benefit of such proposition and it looks self-serving. It comes from institutions (businesses, schools..etc).
¤ ¤ The entire drama peddled by this fringe group is about is about grievance peddling and attention seeking. There will not be any repatriation. Forget about it. People moved-on. So move along.
I think you she's insecure because she's light-skinned and some racist blacks measure the degree of skin color to determine if someone is black. So this issue is her counter attack on them. Both of these groups look idiotic in the eyes of the society.
Justice Hussein
Everything you said was pure thought pollution. We do not base our conclusions on emotion but rather data, statistics, and peer reviewed data. Please visit www.ados101.com for information from the Federal Reserve and leading economist. Lastly, 90% of affirmative action benefits went to ....... WHITE WOMEN (who overwhelmingly marry.....wait for it..... WHITE MEN. That entire program was a scam. ADOS people received less than 5% of those benefits). An actress cannot be of any origin! That’s offensive! Could a descendant of a Nazi play a Jewish role? I recently saw members of the LGBTQ community go bananas when a heterosexual woman played the fictional lesbian character, Batwoman. We will not move on because as Einstein said, energy is not created or destroyed and the wealth generated from slavery is STILL in the economy.
@@Ephemeral82 I was making a general statement on Affirmative Action which I'm 100% against it. It's undeniable that affirmative action was installed to help women and ethnic minorities. There are entire record of Supreme Court case-law on it. I'm against it because it taints blacks who achieved and it's mainly driven by liberal arts schools who try to have blacks in them even though most blacks like to go to/ enrolled-in, applied science majors and schools.
Nothing in your link provided me with any credible record. In fact I want the last 30 minutes back, because I spent it trying to look for that Federal Reserve report and read it quickly and it doesn't back your baseless assertions.
An actress' origin is not important. And no one cares if you get offended. Executives sink tens of millions of dollars on a movie and they want it to succeed. So they pick quality cast. She played the role very well and, gained praises for it. If you are black and care about only telling a story of a heroic woman, the identity of who played her role should be irrelevant. She delivered the good. ⚠️Or here's a solution, *_Make your own fucking movie_*.
But it seems that (ADOS) maybe seek to be classified as "saints" by new black immigrants. Hey, get a life. How does a 20 years old (ADOS), think that he, individually, had it worst than 20 years old poor Kenyan migrant? ADOS can piss on themselves.
There will never be a repatriation from US government. Forget it. Tax payers will not fund such madness.
Germans descendents of Nazis do play Jews even in German movies. It's called acting, you imbecile.
You are absolutely correct!
Everybody wants to play dumb.
Wilbur Ash A lot of them are dumb.
I think this story is a little misleading story. The narrative isn’t exactly being told honestly.
@@sunnybang9543 the comment was about this video and the actress, not the movie. 🙄
Trauma is passed down through generations. African Americans and other decedents of Africa have different experiences/upbringing.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH AN ACTRESS WHO'S JOB IS TO PLAY ROLES ?
EVEN AFRICAN AMERICANS AMOUNG THEMSELVES DONT HAVE THE SAME experiences/upbringing ! SO WHATS YOUR POINT MIKE ?
You’re absolutely right...but would African-Americans trade their plight for the plight of war-torn genocide survivors in third-world Africa?? That’s a legitimate question
MIKE DAMN dude are you kidding me? African are suffering over there in Africa. Stop talking about us in that manner, if africa was so great africans wouldn’t be clamoring to immigrate over here with us. So obviously they are more traumatized than we are because there is no mass immigration of black people moving to Africa. We don’t want to be there because this is our home and we built this place and this is our homeland.
Then why are the jews just fine? Why are the japanese just fine? Why are the koreans just fine? Why are the chinese just fine? Why is it just the black people who are 'suffering' still today?
So y'all are just gonna ignore her tweets thats the REAL reason for people's anger?... Yeah? Oh okay then 😂😭😭😭🙄
Right....
This part is constantly and deliberately left out. It lends to the argument that AA indeed have a very different experience. Cynthia Erivo with her ignorant tweets, and many others in the diaspora, paint AA in a very negative light because of that difference. It's so dishonest, it's annoying 🙄.
I didn't see the tweets, about to look that up.
Questions that need IMMEDIATE answers!!!
@@Matoaka365 Exactly. And I was angry about the tweets because it took away from her talent (to me) because she is multidimensional and can sing, act, and more. And they just skirted over the underlying issues AA's have with her.
We're all clear about WHO the decenants of American chattel slavery is EXCEPT when jobs, benefits and reparations are being discussed. Then all of a sudden 🤯 😴
@Call me Caitlyn CUT THE CHECK!!!!!!
EXACTLY!!!
The lady reporter missed the gentleman’s point about his advantage of having clothes, food, language and etc. He grew up with the most important thing in life, an identity, a culture and a background to look back on and an understanding of who he should be growing into. I hate that we fight amongst each other as black people across the globe but Black people across the globe needs to understand the difference between them and black Americans. We have no culture, we don’t have a language, we don’t have anything that is ours. We were forced into integration when they destroyed the neighborhoods we were creating. Understand the atrocities black Americans xperienced but also as black Americans learn how to interact with other blacks across the globe to unify.
James Williams she missed it on purpose is she bi racial
Im first generation in this country but you DO have a language culture history and food. You need to just have PRIDE and claim your culture because everyone around the world including Africans have been inspired by you.
She seemed completely uninterested
She missed it because he completely destroyed his whole argument at that point, with just that one statement. He could’ve mentioned that in the beginning and this segment would’ve been half as long. Why waste all that time arguing with that lady just to admit that?
Being K you missed my entire point.. I acknowledged that we are all in the same boat that’s one... and we hate on each other. I worked with plenty of people from Africa who talk down on black Americans that’s 2. My wife being half Nigerian only got respect from some of the African nurses when she disclosed that she was half Igbo. At first they wouldn’t even listen to her and she was the doctor over them.
But back to my point, I didn’t agree with everything the lady was saying about the movie roles and all.
What I said, was that other blacks who look down on black Americans don’t understand that we don’t have a culture or home to look back on for morals and values and that sets us back hundreds of years and puts us behind the 8th ball. A man without an identity is a dead man.
The greatest trick in the world was making Blk Americans believe Africans all lived in villages and were poor and making Africans believe that Blk Americans were all lazy and gang members.
White people call us lazy because we know our worth and won’t work for pennies on the dollar when the job pays more. And when immigrants come over and take those jobs for less the pay than whites they ruin everything we have fought for in this country
Let's be clear, most of her backlash came from her comments against black people
The backlash came from both her comments and casting exces like African-Brits because they are separated from American Slavery.
@@badmonkey222 Who told you they are separated from slavery? You are so uninformed! You think your history begins with slavery? Did you have a problem with Denzel Washington playing Steve Biko?
@@pappitokunde6576 agreed!!!!!
Let me help you understand the difference. Your momma didnt go through the crack epidemic. Your grandparents werent sharecroppers and dirt poor. Your family members arent in jail and in the ground. The past is always present. If I had a few homes and a 401K i wouldnt care about no cab. What we talking about is bigger than cabs.
Exactly 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Kash Money based on your passage i can clearly see the you are not us💯
What about all the hardships Africans had to endure during colonialism? Most African countries didn’t get their independence until the 60s. The African American experience and black people from other places- experience may be different but that doesn’t mean we get to dismiss their struggles.
@@lengend03 I'm not sure what your comment is saying.
@@sogeni BITCH THAT S Y'ALL PROBLEM, NOT OURS
Cynthia Erivo is a very small part of a larger discussion about Black American IDENTITY and Reparations. To make this only about her is disingenuous. ADOS predates Harriet by two years
Ultra Instinct Mastered an African American woman should have played that role. No more talk. If your not African American then to me you may not understand what I understand
@@ctbt1832 What are Black Americans doing in Wakanda?
We are Black Americans not African Americans
@@mikamwambazi3807 - So where exactly is Wakanda? I can't find it anywhere on a map.
I thought they talked about more than just her?
I don’t agree that her being from the UK is a problem. There were many slaves that escaped to the UK to get away from their masters. My only problem is what she said on Twitter about American blacks
WHAT SHE SAID ?
Nikki - what did she say?
John Moscato dude are you stalking the comment section at this point?
th-cam.com/video/QFNJu8Ygqyw/w-d-xo.html this is not the original video that I saw but it’s something. I just find it a little disrespectful to talk down about a group a people then portray someone from that group of people. I don’t hate the actress, she seems lovely so don’t take this in that way
AMERICAN BLACKS ARE PSYCH
One thing that isn’t stated is the accent. He gets no second look because he sounds American, but truth he told. The accent English/ British accent gives them an upper hand
I think that this works both ways. Same way African Americans have been playing African roles for year: Mandela, Winne, Will Smith played an african doctor in that biopic,and the likes. Its wrong to presume that we can understand how it felt or feels to grow up as a minority when we are in our home country but i think people should remember it has been happening both ways African Americans acting purely african biopics as well
Both of these anchors are full of it. Reparations are not about "how Black" one is or who can't get a cab today, it's about compensation to the descendants of the enslaved Africans who actually built this country. If your parents came here from Nigeria 25 years ago you are not a descendant of enslaved Africans in America. Get it?
Thank you! It's really not that hard to understand!
They have a point. Who decides who's black enough for reparations?
@@KoolKeithProductions 🤫
@@MK-hh1vo I noticed how you didn't answer my question, and that's because you can't. You're stuck in your emotions and aren't thinking logically.
@@KoolKeithProductions 🤐
This actress is known to talk about black Americans and it is well documented on saved videos. Also, the producer left out crucial parts of the violence given to the slaves, and they added a fictional black bounty hunter hurting balcks. #selfhatebytheProducer
I have seen none of these tweets although I’ve searched. However, my point of disgust was the black bounty hunter as well.
Make your own movie
You do realize that many African tribes sold other Africans as slaves?
"This actress is known to talk about black Americans " LIES ! AND NEGROES WERE MAD BEFORE THE MOVIE CME OUT ! NIGGAS WERE MAD CAUSE SHE IS NIGERIAN ! YALL XENOPHOBIC
@@shalombereshiyth PEOPLE WERE MAD BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT ! IF YOU MAD ABOUT THE BLACK BOUNTY TAKE THAT TO THE MOVIE PRODUCER NOT CYNTHIA
I’m a black immigrant and the way she was talking about ADOS and the fact that she’s not ADOS. It happened also with Lupita. Let ADOS have those roles, since we love to make a distinction between ourselves and ADOS.
IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY THE AUDITIONS ARE OPENED TO THE BEST ACTORS IF NIGGAS CANT COMPETE THATS ON THEM !
If there is one thing I notice as I read through these comments is the lack of validation/acknowledgement to the other side. You can make a plausible argument for ADOS having a different experience than African blacks. However, racism is racism and being black in America (whether you are an ADOS or not) comes with some degree of consequence and disadvantage.
Damn,aren't you a unicorn!
@@titohornbuckle6604 COMPETE LIKE EVERYBODY AND BE LEFT OUT !
John Moscato facts
This is such a disingenuous piece. Most people took issue because Cynthia has a history of making derogatory comments about African Americans (Side note: I personally loved David Oyelowo as Dr. MLK and have NO issue with non-AA’s playing “AA” roles 🤷🏽♀️). African Americans (ADOS, FBA) have the right to be recognized AND respected as an unique and exclusive ethnicity as is every other group in the diaspora. It’s upsetting that this video dismissed that point completely. It’s not about trying to be divisive or look down on others within our beautiful diaspora. I take it as having autonomy over an identity that has been defined for us for far too long. Peace and love ✌🏽
What did she say about African Americans that isn't true?
Umar Abdullah as stated by many other commentators, this piece disregarded the negative comments Ms. Eviro has made about AA’s, which many feel were disrespectful to African American history and culture AND led to much of the lack of support for her movie.
There are issues within the diaspora among individuals in ALL groups. Some AA’s have negatively treated others in the diaspora and some people in other groups have negatively treated AA’s. I won’t deny that BUT I also won’t place more blame on one group. Everyone must be held accountable. This piece ignored a key detail in the situation regarding Cynthia Eviro and that is what I spoke on.
@@umarabdullah5510 notice nobody answered your question. It's because she didn't say anything. They just don't like her. Xenophobes.
luwakw01 did you even read my comments??? You can’t blame people for not being supportive of someone who wants to portray pillars in their community after making statements THEY feel are disrespectful to their group, and being friends with others who have also (Luvvie). If you don’t understand that then I don’t know what to tell you 🤷🏽♀️.
I WILL NOT feed into the notion that one group is worse or better than another. Individuals within EVERY group have been negative towards other groups and can better themselves. I won’t stand for or support ANY negativity! Period. And who exactly are you referring to as being a Xenophobe? I hope not I.
Umar Abdullah whether or not YOU think her comments were disrespectful is irrelevant. Clearly, many AAs feel they were and, therefore, chose to not support the movie.
Wow the one time we decide to do some press and this is what happens. This interview is awful. This is not about blackness. Nobody mentioned blackness. Its lineage.
Africans and African Americans are not the same
Yeah africans are sidonians, african americans are hebrews
Cynthia is a Hamite.
Y W periodt
Y W ok but they still black so stfu
Kaizenitou Z you don’t know what your talking about... they got a Hebrew Israelite of school in Liberia...I can go on but do your research.
I thought Cynthia Erivo auditioned for her role and was hired by Black American directors. 🤷🏾♀️
Exactly.
Lol right 😂
The director was hired after
This!!!
Thank. You!
She tweeted negative thoughts about black Americans..
She is no harriet in my eyes.
Wow, I lost respect for her! She just a pipe. You can't take a role and respect the struggle blacks suffered through. You never feel the pain.
I am a black Brit and I have to agree with her. The Black American has historically and culturally experienced an extreme form of trauma, and so they should never be overlooked in their own country. Casting directors need to be more mindful of their choices. At the same time its extremely difficult for brilliant black actors in the UK to gain the roles that they deserve. The writers are here plus the directors - but the Brits do not support Black Film or Drama here; so there is not enough work or sometimes no work for them in the UK - that is why they are flooding the USA. The best of the best cannot find work in the UK because despite what they say - the arts in the UK is systemically racist.
Mendora Ogbogbo I lived there for a year as a child and I get it. I love our culture there but I did feel someway when I’m told a Black British actor is better than my classical training. It’s such a slippery slope.
Thank you for sharing about the UK. IMO as an African-American, if Cynthia had the best audition then she deserved the role. Identifying who is black enough in this country is extremely complicated and imo it’s all based on who has suffered the most and who is the biggest victim. People get called out for not being dark enough, being mixed, not facing enough discrimination, not growing up in a black enough neighborhood, etc. I understand that our people are trying to be protective, but we are ostracizing people within our own race. I think that we should be more united.
Sistah B Love and light to AA’s , ADOS is a unique group of brothers and sisters & I’m an African brother who has a gigantic affinity with this group , The comments from tweets are not a reflection of the reality..I assume Cynthia has no real malice for African Americans brothers and sisters.
Then why not head back to the mother land that sold your ancestors into slavery! Don’t they have a cinematic universe there? Why be around white people you hate so much!
There's no such thing as a Black British
So no platform is going to address the social media comments?
That Part!
I am a black Hebrew American. You can't downplay or whitewash what we have been through both psychologically and physically. For instance, seeing one of our people hung from a tree and the cops lie and say it was suicide aches at the heart of black descendants of slaves because we know what our ancestors went through and the history behind lynchings. You have no idea the everyday grief coming from the outside looking in. You had a choice to come here...my ancestors didn't, big difference. Especially when its continuous inequality to keep us down to use as commodities.
That's what happens when we dont produce our own stories.
Matthew Gresham so, Harriet Tubman is not African American ?
djcj101 that's not what he was saying. But he's also misinformed.. because Debra Martin chase, an American black woman and scholar produced Harriet. Directed by Kasi Lemmons, another American black woman.
His whole comment was stupid. But so was your reply.
Lol the director is black
@@luwakw01 produce not direct idiot. Just because somebody Directs doesn't they have control.
You're not educated & repeating foolish unsubstantiated rhetoric.
That movie was a fictional, not Harriet’s life.
Nubia Nubia I am sorry but she should have not gotten the job
It wasn’t fictional, cause everything in it was what actually happened, but it was just altered
That’s what I thought this video was going to address
It's bigger than a movie th-cam.com/video/eTb9hY6Iw_E/w-d-xo.html
Facts
I wish they would have also included that often times black immigrants judge and don’t see black Americans as good, worthy or hard working. Also, his lack of trying to understand her point as a journalist was disappointing
Yes! There is prejudice there. Like Black immigrants try to distance themselves from Black Americans because stereotypes and prejudices about ADOS are famous the world over. There's a lack of solidarity among us. Also I 100% agree. Trying to argue that "White Jay" was more Black American than he was, was such a "white person's argument" and cutting off her reply was purposely not getting or representing her point
Where did you get this bs from? Every community has assholes, not all black immigrants are like that.
Why would they include this, when the ADOS say the same about Africans? Distracts from the core issue.
Can’t you blame them?
@@obinnaezealah2465 of course not. No one is saying every single person in a community is this way but that's like the "not all white people are racist" argument people make when talking about race. It's the institutions that seek to keep us separate and oppressed - that's the real issue.
I feel like they made it out like ADOS that are the instigators when there are more complex emotions, history and animosity between the diasporas. That's all I'm saying
I don't like the fact that the black male reporter is smiling while talking to the female ADOS leader. It's seems condescending. She is not making jokes. She is speaking facts that are hard to comprehend when you have melanin in your skin and are from a Caribbean or African lineage and your ancestors haven't worked as slave in America and suffered generational indignities because of it. It's not about being more African American. Referencing the camera man was not cute but I assume a point was trying to be made. Look, there are differences between being a descendant of slaves and being an African person that is an immigrant living in America. There is nothing to smile about or shake your head about. It is something to ingest and discuss with dignity and empathy. We all should be proud of our blackness but respect that there are nuances and ADOS is just laying out the information that should be recognized.
Lydia Rhodes I hope you know slavery did not only exist in America. The whole Caribbean and South American had slaves.
@@printemptjanvier2760 of course I do. The indignities of slavery is exactly that be it on American soil or Caribbean soil. However, the narrative here is about ADOS as it pertains to American Society and Black Americans that are the product of the slavery that happened here. The way that this actress has on social media demeaned black Americans and to have her represent Harriet Tubman was not the representation that I, as a descendant of slavery in this country, found fitting for her. This is no way an attack on her talent but the attack is on her empathy and character in this regard. She showed who she was in countless tweets and never apologized, yet she had people stand up for her without investigating her online ignorance. ADOS has brought up some facts that I had not even thought of and I am here for it. I may not agree with everything but I am here for the conversation and and leaning way towards the ADOS platform.
@@printemptjanvier2760 of course I do but this discussion is regarding the American slavery lineage. I mentioned Caribbean Americans because tho there was slavery on theses islands the path was different and as immigrants, Caribbean s here in America do not walk the same paths as Black Americans that have had feet on their necks at every turn. It doesn't mean that it isn't tough for both but there is a difference and ADOS has been able to shed light on a sensitive subject that is not divisive. It is filled with facts, if we are just willing to listen without judgment.
This is why you can’t rely on the news to give the real facts
I'm not even ADOS and I believe the role shouldn't be hers but to a black American; besides she is on record of being disrespectful to African Americans. And I support ADOS in all their efforts true justice demands it.
melvin barnett African Americans are disrespectful to each other. This whole argument is a waste of time. I’m so over this. Black people need to walk backwards and connect to our roots and stop doing the work of our oppressors against each other.
What about all those African movies that star black Americans? Shouldn’t they leave that spot for actual Africans who understand the story and pain? Y’all black Americans are so dramatic smh
Ruthie Morris and it’s funny they’re acting so harsh towards Africans. Black Americans are proving to be more racist towards Africans than the race that actually tortured every black person on earth.
@@teddysaineti
Either listen to what we are saying OR take your Trolling somewhere else.
OAK CLIFF check myself? I careless about a movie too, but have you seen how everyone in the comment section is throwing stones at non-black Americans who are scoping these top spots? Everybody is talking about connection to culture and history. If that’s the case then non-Africans shouldn’t star in telling stories about Africa cause non of y’all go through what our forefathers endured. To keep it real we’ve always rooted for every black person in this world. Africans are better than what Cynthia portrays, don’t let this blind you. Despite what we’ve been through our cultural roots always teach us about unity and love for every human being. It’s considered bad luck to ever mistreat someone based on their color, nationality etc.. I’m just disappointed reading all this division stuff
This interview saddens me because they literally painted a picture that makes one believe that ADOS is entirely divisive and in a sense self hating. And that is so far from the truth. I went to college with students from Africa and I love them dearly because they are the part of me that I've never known but the difference is they are able to bring their knowledge of self and culture wherever they go. ADOS don't have that privilege. We spend so much time trying to find out who we are in a society that is embedded in white supremacy. And to say that the discrimination is the same because we look alike does not mean our life experiences are the same. Example: ADOS faces discrimination and has no other option but to deal with it and the repercussions here in America...an African immigrant can deal with it and decide to go back to the home/country from which he/she originated from. I personally believe this conversation is an easy conversation to have without the media/press sticking their brown noses into it. The media continues to push the agenda of division. They will throw the rock at the wrong house and hide their hand and blame someone who was just walking by. Lol. I can't!!!! I really don't have the time to say all the things that were wrong with this interview but critical thinking might help people to see things differently.
Reading this comment has made me sexually aroused. You seem like a nice intelligent woman.
I'm an immigrant from the Caribbean 🇬🇩. What you're seeing here is proof of the argument that non American blacks are dangerous and disingenuous, the reporter left out that she disrespected my black American people intentionally, calling "akata" which is an insult.
Ray of Sunshine
This comment doesn’t reflect my life at all as an African American who grew up in poverty
Stop speaking for me i don’t deal with white supremacy and never have
That’s Cynthias point “you people” always act like your view points and beliefs reflect what every African American believes when it doesn’t
Never experienced racism in my life
So if you’re going to make a claim that America is racist every black person would have to agree with you because racism isn’t subjective
All this discussion does it highlight how African Americans want to be victim so bad they shame non Americans Africans it’s pathetic
Ray of Sunshine thank you for explaining this😇
@@uno9331 I don't believe you. Either you are in black face or self delusional. I think you told the truth when you wrote "I don't deal with white supremacy and never have". How you process things is, of course is your choice - whatever gets you through the day, until it doesn't anymore...
No one gonna talk about how the lead character in 12 years a slave was British and wasn’t a descendant of slaves either.
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This division is so sad for black people in general. It is not the oppression olympics. I hope we can collectively move past this
Hotta Fyah you really don’t know why people are upset are you?
Thank you. This Yvette woman is a special kind of oppressed. She's a complete separationist.
@@amalnasser4118 there is nothing to be upset about over this "issue". African-Americans are grasping at straws here.
Amen
You can’t divide something that isn’t connected.
She called us Akatas, which is a very derogatory Nigerian term for African Americans.
Burning Hand Productions Nigeria is not Africa my dear.Never heard that word you say they call you.If Nigerians are rude to African Americans not all Africans should pay for that .
Sarah sulwey I agree with you on the fact that all “Africans” should pay for it. However, I thought you said Nigeria is not Africa? 🤔 Anyway, I wouldn’t attack all Africans because, well, I am African. I’m of Nigerian descent my sister.
Not true. It’s not derogatory at all.
Olive Tracy Please explain
Kudio j. Hall that is such a lie. Akata means a foreigner from abroad. Nigerians even call Nigerians living abroad “akata”. Stop looking for hate where there is none.
originally the hollywood exec wanted to cast Julia Roberts as the role until someone with brains stepped in.
serious Julia Roberts
That was such a joke
I don't belive that please come with something better. Lmfao
@@eugenelaw5294 Dude I wasn't joking www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/entertainment/julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-trnd/index.html
Julia Roberts with blackface?
@@eugenelaw5294 No really it's true I saw it on one the popular news outlets. They wanted Julia Roberts to play Harriet Tubman.
I never realized there was so much racism between black people ....
R C recism has no color is how one interprets
I shiver at the hatred the African Americans show Africans.. it’s such a shame
like for real
Instead of listening to what she was saying, the interviewer just pressed his own view. She understood his view. He never humbled himself enough to truly understand her view. It’s because he has no reason to. I appreciate the fact the defends her position and did not back down. 💯%
This isnt totally true. And why this coming out now, this is oooolddd news.
Very strange actually....white supremacy probably just circling the Wagons
It is old but its because of the Oscars I believe.
Yes!! Very old news! We didn't support it because if her old tweets.
Justin Simuel oh yeah I’m white and I sit around trying to figure out how can I keep the black man or woman down today! Uh.. no we go to work n try to provide a good life for our families... get real lady quit playing victim
@@TheSands83 thank you for your uninformed, unnecessary, and unwarranted comment it has been noted.
I’m so sick of the division in the Black Community. It is atrocious! We are our own worst enemy!!!
Totally agree 😔
Not really because all those actors STILL live in UK, they are not in the American Black community. Plus Daniel Kaluuya just said he's not Black.
Lawd so true....but i gotta tell ya allot of other minorities got that issue too....discrimination is strong
Chloe Smith don’t be a dummy. Be truthful. Africans and African Americans don’t have the same background. You can’t just allow anyone to be a distraction in our fight because all of a sudden it’s convenient for them
mark two exactly Daniel just said he doesn’t want to be black. It’s only convenient for him in movie roles. We aren’t the same ppl
I don’t get this. My family is Caribbean and I cannot stand being told I’m not black enough by others. Why are we dividing ourselves like the majority culture wants us to
I totally agree
I agree with you....and im african
It's not us, its the bs that immigrants bring with them. Don't disrespect the people that made it possible for you to have rights here.
No other group/race of people divide themselves. If they're Latin, whether from Mexico, Spain, Honduras, they are Latin. If they're French, whether from France or Canada, they're French. WHAT IS WRONG WITH US?! This nonsense almost makes me want to turn my Black card over!
Please acknowledge how Caribbean ppl do this same thing to black Americans when they get here. No respect for the black culture here or how they got the opportunities they have.
I agree a divide is bad but we’ve got to fix a few things across the board first👍🏾
For those who were wondering about what she said in her tweets, she was impersonating a “ghetto American accent”.
Steve Osunsami was very gracious in his handling of this topic. the news anchor on the other hand was very brash in her demeanor towards it. cynthia erivo has made disparaging comments about Foundational Black Americans, that is the real gripe that said people have with her, I for one am glad that she did not win the Oscar. There is an undeniable difference between Black Americans and other black peoples of the diaspora. u cannot deny that just for the sake of denying it. we fought bled and died for this country. fought in every war and then had to fight oppression within our own country even the more. you all came later and are partaking and or taking the benefits that rightfully belong to us. it is the truth whether u want to acknowledge it or not.
Hes refusing to understand he came off very condescending hes looking at race it's more from a cultural standpoint. The majority of Africans are very prejudice toward Ados
Nah he’s an idiot as well
You said that very well! Thank you ⭐
Remember the outrage when British actor Daniel Day Lewis played Lincoln?
@Freedom Fries - There was, wasn't there? It's all so bloody ridiculous
Right there was none
much ado about nothing. Africans didn’t make this much noise when Denzel played Steve Biko.
@@deldee
Forest Whitaker's - idi Amin
Nelson Mandela was played by 7 African American males - Danny Glover 1987, Sidney poitier 1997, morgan Freeman 2009, Clarke Peter's 2013, David Harewood 2010, Terrence Howard 2011, Laurence Fishburne 2017.
@@gmmonomotapa2889 what Africans actor could have made ppl wanna come see those movies?.... yall sound dumb
I am a black American and I appreciate both sides I urge people not to be dismissive of either side.
Jazzy Jones So am I but this still has to be discussed.
Callhermsross I agree , we need to discuss this issue .
There is no both sides! It should be your side! Don't be fooled. These folks are backward and tribalist! They have no conception of Blackness until they move West!! I can say without a doubt if you were in their country. Anything that's for their group! You won't be getting it! Look out for your own group!!
ITS NOT AN ARGUMENT ABOUT HER BLACKNESS, THE ISSUE IS WITH HER VIEWS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS AND NEGATIVE THINGS SHES SAID ABOUT AA.
Cynthia called Black Americans akatas
And her greedy ass took that role playing an akata....didn't she.
Do you know the meaning of akatas?
@marwanmohd1 You do know Harriet was ADOS idiot.
Thats the exact problem I have with her. She is very disrespectful.
@marwanmohd1 name them.
First day f all, it's about lineage, not your experience of having melenated skin. It is also about the he wealth gap on this country between ADOS and white. GET THE STORY RIGHT!!!
@@TheDemsk All white people. White people in this country benefit from white privilege.
As a white American I do recognize that white privilege in America is a major issue and has a heavy hand in how black Americans are treated and perceived even in daily life. Though it is not about wealth. It’s about an overall generalization of how white Americans are treated versus how black Americans are treated. I’ve never had cops called on me for doing normal things. I’ve never been shot at or mistaken as a suspect or as being suspicious of committing a crime just because of the color of my skin. Black Americans and ADOS members can be wealthy too. I’m poor and have always been dirt poor. I’m from Louisville, Kentucky btw just for reference. But because I’m white I have a better chance of being successful and accepted in America. It’s a sad and disgusting truth but it is true. Not every white person is more wealthy than black Americans. But everyday life is tougher for the average black american. Especially when it comes to law enforcement and the justice system. It is “normal” for an average everyday black American to experience racism or systematic oppression at least once throughout ones life. And once is one time too many. I feel like the fact alone that only one black woman has won an Oscar is proof enough of systematic racism. Women in general are globally the biggest oppressed population. We are put down and judged and held accountable for every wrong doing of man. We get raped and beaten and tortured and told it’s our fault for being women. For wearing clothes that are revealing. But still. As a white woman, I have it easier than black women or Hispanic women in this country. And as an aunt of three going on four beautiful mixed nieces and nephews, it makes me absolutely petrified and disgusted to be in this country. Especially during this administration. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re not Native American, then you are an immigrate of this country that has been built on the backs of other immigrants. However I do agree that the specific subject they are speaking on does directly associate with lineage. You can be black and not have any slave connection. But again, you can be black and not have any slave connection and still be treated wrongly in this country just for being black. However I feel like it doesn’t matter if she’s British or not. Harriet Tubman is a big part of black history. Not just slave history. Somewhere down her lineage there was an instance that her ancestors were brought to the uk. Whether it was by their own free will or as a slave or maybe even an indentured servant. Regardless she is still black and has a right to play a hero in black history. Besides she’s an amazing actress and British or not if the color of your skin was black and knowing what slaves and black people go through, wouldn’t you want to be able to tell your kids that you played one of the most iconic women in black history? Lineage and ADOS aside, I see nothing wrong with it.
Wherever Cynthia was born dont matter.....cause she is an actress and she looks the part of the character in the movie and she did do really good in sending that message across in the movie
I just love the way people pretend like they don’t understand something. This is not complicated and it’s not necessary to turn it into confusion. I think people have explained it very very well and it’s just a game people are playing when they say they don’t get it
Sad that ADOS has to explain the point. They make a mockery of the truth. Its not that complicated.
The people in the Ados movement have little to no critical thinking skills.
Asia is equivalent to the modern Nazi’a speaking for all white people. The are the loud minority speaking for the majority.
@Elle D So you felt like we were being demonized?
It’s called acting.
I swear this is black people being racist to other black people. We all the same. For example my ancestors were slaves and I was born in Kenya. No difference at all. The struggle your ancestors have been through doesn’t justify your blackness. Black is black.
Daud Abdikadir so your tribe doesn’t matter? C’mon, u know it does, quit playing. Same thing here
Keisha Jones no my ancestors tribe doesn’t matter I have no idea where it’s at who they are nore do they know me and probably could give 2 shits about meeting me what does matter to me is my fellow Americans no matter there skin color you were not a slave your parents weren’t slaves and your grandparents weren’t slaves this was generations ago today’s white society America today owes blacks of today absolutely nothing
It's called bad acting.
Xternal Exo I bet you won’t say that to an Ashkenazi Jew!!!!🤨 The other part of the Emancipation Proclamation was to pay Asiatic ( African Americans) Americans 💰 and 40 acres as Reparations for the involuntary slavery! ( Note: all of you who say the USA 🇺🇸 don’t owe us. Please research and read about the federal agency called The Freedmans Bureau! That was where all the newly freed Moorish ex-slaves were to go! Not to mention President Abe Lincoln place $5 million dollars 💵 aside in the First National Bank Of Chicago. Once you see for yourself, you will quickly understand why Abe Lincoln was assassinated and the 13th Amendment was rewritten and the Bureau was shut down and the Moorish ex-slaves were never recompensed. ) Now the money and issue has to be addressed but only when our people come to this government correct! Question should be is, where is that money that been sitting since 1863/1865 when the Emancipation Proclamation was passed?!🤔🤨 The centuries has kicked over twice!! From the 1800’s to 1900’s and now to the 21st century. We talking interest upon interest !!
As I said in the start of this post! Bet y’all won’t say that to a Jew?!🤨 They still hunting Ex-German Nazi soldiers and still seeking full restitution. Hell in my state, NJ, just few years back now . Jews found two Nazis here in NJ and dragged their a$$es to over seas court to continue to seek justice!
Peace to all from the Magi Hypnotist in the East. 🇲🇦🇺🇸✡️🙏🏿
I'm latino and I get where the ADOS woman is coming from. I went to a top university and my first year there I realized most of my black peers were African immigrants descendent not African American. So in a sense I do get the frustration because Black American ancestors have put in work but others end up benefiting. A lot of immigrants also talk bad about blacks without realizing that they'd also be treated like crap if not for the work black people have put into stuff like the civil rights movement
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
You still have to qualify to get into a top university & many black Americans (ADOS) do not meet the qualifications. You're not getting into an Ivy with a 2.7 & 1100 SAT. Black Americans play victim so much that they csnnot focus on what they need to do in order to advance themselves in life while carribean/african immigrants come here with $300 to their name in many cases barely able to speak the English language & in 10 years time they are highly productive members of American society. You cannot blame the immigrants & their offspring for making tjr sacrifices & taking advantage of all America has to offer while the ADOS continues to bask in victimhood. Cry me a river.
Silly comment. Do you think it was easy for those Africans to get into those schools? They studied and worked hard. If ADOs refuse to work hard that's their problem.
@@DB-115 Black Americans want handouts.
@@MrSivram28 yup.. black immigrants scoff @ the idea of a handout.. We'll break our backs working 3 jobs to feed our families. We're not taking any type of gov't assistance.
Black Americans, we are descendants of Royalty don’t forget.
HahahHa is this for real 🤣🤣🤣🤣Blk Americans are clearly bored.
If her birth place dosen't matter, why couldn't you make it to that level in Europe?
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T Byas To be wealthy one had to be born into money. It makes no difference if one was black or white. It was a matter of peerage.
I bet you she'll never play queen elizabeth.
@@MsExcite1 That would be like a black man playing a Achilles...
@@bigkingspeakerdwestemperor5068 She's a british woman ...she should be able to play the role of another british woman.
The female reporter is dismissive with no intelligent response to the important points in the ados argument.
It's hard for normal folks to understand.
Linsey Davis was very dismissive. Watch out for her.
@NEGUS ASKARI HODARI ADOS is idiotic. Anyway, some f the commentators say that the reporter ignored what the concrete criticism of the actress was (her alleged "offensive" tweets against black Americans). And then he turned the segment to another issue that bothers him which what a fringe idiotic group thinks if him. If that's accurate then the reporter erred by spinning the story.
I had no clue who this stupid group is, until ABC gave them an airtime. A few points to be said;
(1) When it comes to acting, no one cares about the origins of the actor/actress. The story has to be told and the viewers has to feel it. So a skilled actor/actress have to be picked.
There were controversy about only white students playing Founding Fathers roles in school plays because they "looked the part". And non-white students were excluded. Then schools changed that to get kids to participate in historic plays. And the only criteria was a person's ability to play the role. "Hamilton" was a big success, although the play didn't adhere to the color of each historic figure. Who cares!!
2) Affirmative Action programs (which I'm against and I'm black) are not premised today on helping those who faced injustice in the past. Because it doesn't distinguish affluent blacks from poor blacks or poor whites. No socioeconomic consideration. It just consider blackness.
Of course proponents of Affirmative Action have abandoned that. Because the counter-argument is "not after 50 years of Civil Rights Act", and "a poor white kid in WV is having similar rough time" and "for how long will that continue". All are legitimate arguments. So proponents shifted to just another argument, {"ethnic diversity is wonderful"}. And it comes from institutions themselves. Black proponents can't make that argument because a common reply may question the benefit of such proposition and it looks self-serving. It comes from institutions (businesses, schools..etc).
¤ ¤ The entire drama peddled by this fringe group is about is about grievance peddling and attention seeking. There will not be any repatriation. Forget about it. People moved-on. So move along.
I think you she's insecure because she's light-skinned and some racist blacks measure the degree of skin color to determine if someone is black. So this issue is her counter attack on them. Both of these groups look idiotic in the eyes of the society.
She's married to a black man too. By the way she was talking you'd think her husband was a white man.
@NEGUS ASKARI HODARI Do the Congolese have their own language? They have their culture. We have slave culture.
They really ignored her controversial tweets... love that for them 😒
The reporters are totally clueless to what this about. The actress that played Harriet Tubman clearly is disrespectful to African Americans, but has the nerve to portray one of us, so wrong. A lot of blacks that are foreigners ( british, Jamaican, carribean, African)don’t respect us, and will bend over backwards trying to assimilate to what white folks want. I’ve seen it in my daily life. They ignore us, talk about us, yet want to reap rewards and claim they are like us. I don’t feel this is being divisive, it’s just how it really is.
A question of her blackness??? You guys don't want to be United.
Stay out of it mayonnaise
I don't think there was ever any unity. If there was ADOS wouldn't exist because we would've have been sold as slaves to arabs and whites.
Mayonnaise girl stay out it
madcoki Race traders I would call it just educated black folks that made the best of their situation instead of using excuses
@@zaytelfort4417 You're rude!! You don't have to name call.
And what kills me is the half baked excuses for "Not Understanding" the difference by these two up on TV! THAT PART RIGHT THERE! Did yall hear what Osusami said? He had a family, food, clothes and a language!....but HE dont UNDERSTAND?
Do ppl realize that the OG Harriet was a freaking beast. She saved so many lives. Imagine living in those times and to have to bravery and the courage, knowingly you could die at anytime and just putting that behind and saving hundreds of lives.
I'm African myself and the disrespect towards African Americans from Nigerian community needs to stop!
ADOS is a people with a culture , specific experience, a language and a country. America is our home. Not a convenient stepping stone for newcomers.how come Steve can have a culture and we can’t . He is standing in our success. We are certainly not standing in the success of Nigeria
Unhold your own nuts.
The white man puts who he wants in his movies.Your only job is to pay to watch as usual.Why don't you complain about Popeyes selling you unhealthy chicken sandwiches?
I can see what ADOS is coming from. She makes good points and I honestly never thought about it. These programs were made for ADOS and then someone else comes along and takes it. That has to be hard. These new immigrants need their own programs. If this program is made for you, you should be able to receive it. We need to figure this out. Have you heard of immigrants of Indian descent from India pretending to be black to get scholarships? That's wrong. Black Americans should be receiving these scholarships. I'm glad i saw this, it opened my eyes to something I never thought about.
The white man puts who he wants in his movies.Get out of your feelings and pay to watch the movie as you usually do.
@@mikemushipe6023 shut up
@fro k Demanding hand outs? Honey until you have learned whats it like to not have any money or be on the streets and born poor, shut it, Trump doesnt know whats it like to not be born with money, why on earth did you bring Trump involved in this?
Why is everyone mad at her???? African Americans are very prejudiced and stereotypical too!!! I’m faced more prejudices and discrimination than racism
Steve Osunsami the reporter says that when he walks into a room they see a black man. Nobody just walks into a room of significance WITHOUT first sending their name, resume etc. How many ADOS are named Osunsami? 🇭🇹
None...
Lol you’d be surprise . Met a lot of blacks with African names that were not African
What does this post have to do with the Haitian flag?
@@printemptjanvier2760 I put the flag because I don't want to go to the trouble of stating my heritage. (That's how ppl represent on the Internet.) I'm respectful of Ados so i will not pretend to be one.
@@sesayida Right you are! I know of two myself. Kareem Abdul Jabar and the boxer Ali. Oops you're sooooo right.
See the point of both sides, kinda confused, i definitely want to learn more
@E i There is no "Both Sides". The entire film was a mockery that USED "Harriet Tubmans" name to tell (and sell) a perverted story of a great Black Women's life. Erivio has made several disparaging comments (tweets) about American Blacks. if Sense was Common she should have been denied the role for those comments (tweets) alone which were proof she does not "know" a Damm thing about The Life of Harriet Tubman or Black American History. This movie was nothing but a sad attempt to drain money from Black American pockets while destroying the legacy of Harriet Tubman.
Here's a better explanation by one of the Founders th-cam.com/video/eTb9hY6Iw_E/w-d-xo.html
Same
I'm just here to say, "ADOS" we made it!!!
Clark Harris ADOS needs to go to the international media. American media is bias against ADOS people
a b I agree 100%. But this is a very small victory in the overall goal and purpose. I’m just glad that we ain’t stopped making progress and we finally had to be recognized by the media, although it did pissed me off that they did not address our main issues. But that was expected. Peace and love my brother in our struggle moving forward.
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Why does Hollywood go to these foreign black folks to play American black folks in movies.
Because they get foreign everybody to play every kind of American. An English dude played Abraham Lincoln. "American Psycho"... a British dude. British actors have been an American tradition forever they aren't gonna suddenly stop at race.
Many black American have played African roles. You ADOs are narrow minded. Open your minds and think outside the box
The same reason Samuel L Jackson played Mandela and Jennifer Hudson played Winne, And Will Smith played the Nigerian Doctor in Concussion. Talent
Damn. I think I agree with the Ados lady. Damn the black brother don’t get it. A black African American should have played that role.
It's not her fault, the role should have been given to an African-American! Full stop.
No African American actor with self respect would have did that role. The movie is all lies.
Exactly! That’s the real issue. The movie should have not been done. The truth is that there isn’t a lot of information on Harriet. Not enough for a full-length film. They had to make up half the story to tell the movie. I don’t think there are too many black American actors that were jumping at the chance to do it.
slow feet can’t eat we betting everybody
J-Lo was roasted for playing a Mexican American (Selena). These "controversies" are petty. No one is being disrespectful On Purpose, no one INTENDED to hurt Anyone
Speak on your people only and give your point of view. Good day sir.
JLo didn't make public statements making fun of Tejanos, or Mexicans. And Selena was not a liberator, she was an entertainer.
Google Cynthia's comments, they aren't nice.
While I think this particular issue is being overblown, because Morgan Freeman played Nelson Mandela. That being said, Hollywood wasn't always so liberal and it wasn't that long ago. How blacks, native Americans, latinos, and Asians were portrayed in film and tv, was very racists. Even cartoons like Bugs Bunny and Woody Woodpecker.
@ISaidIt 2 WTF you're talking about? Africa is where his ancestors are from, it's where all black Americans ancestors are from. Anyways that wasn't my point, I was informing this guy that Hollywood wasn't nice to any minority 50 years ago.
@ISaidIt 2 Where do you think the movie was shot? America?🤦♀️
Who cares just make the damn movie so that we learn/watch about history and non fiction movies and all......
I’ve been saying this for a long time. Blacks from other countries did not have the same experience as us. It’s annoying. But when we bring this up, we look like we’re hating on our race.
The only issue with Erivo is the fact that she came over here talking trash about black folks in this particular area of the world. People don't understand that we're all AFRICAN and exist throughout the diaspora. Erivo is not British just like I'm not African-American. We're both simply African. You'll never find a group of Chinese people living outside of their homeland tell you that they're anything other than Chinese. We keep trying to separate ourselves from each other while white folks stand united and laugh at our confusion. Its extremely odd to be a member of an ethnic group of people that are walking around without their true identity. The fact that Erivo came over here talking trash about black folks lets you know she has no understanding of how the transatlantic slave trade destroyed our collective consciousness. She was born in Nigeria right, there are plenty of decedents walking around America that are off Nigerian decent so she's basically talking trash about her own people. To quote Paul Mooney - "If you take an African Zebra from the continent and place it in Canada its not then a Canadian Zebra. Its an African Zebra living in Canada."
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It’s an African American Story! That’s why!
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It's a movie
Bruce strkland it’s history
Sam Ba it’s American black history!
And the little mermaid was a white fish girl but nobody had a problem when they turned her black.
Now it’s a victim contest? Oh shut up.
I hadn't realized this about how many iconic movies had African actors/actresses
If Cynthia Erivo made disrespectful comments, then let's address that specifically rather than her being British/African. Let's stop conflating both. So much for black unity and oneness!
THE FUNNY PART IS SHE MADE NO "disrespectful comments" THIS IS ALL BASED ON A LIE
@@johnmoscato4648 You are aware that she publicly agreed with her co-star Janelle Monae when Janelle said, "They should put voting booths in the chicken stores (where they were selling those chicken sandwiches that people (black?) were standing in line to buy)" Janelle apologized for that blatantly racist statement. Erivo did not.
That's what has been done. The icing on the cake is that she is not ADOS and her LINEAGE may be from a tribe that sold Harriet's ancestors to Europeans in the first place. She has refused to answer questions about that possible lineage. What the media is doing is painting ADOS as xenophobic for having a very reasonable position.
@@warrenbfeagins NIGGAS SOLD EACH OTHER IN THE US ! YOU ARE A DUMMY !
@@28ny BLAME "Janelle Monae" NOT HER ! WHEN SHE DISAGREES SHE IS BAD WHEN SHE AGREES SHE IS ALSO BAD ! FOH !
Over-simplification of the ADOS argument, alas let the conversation be had. And it is lineage that defines our struggle and our story, not color. #ADOS
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@Apeman Commeth I'm not worried about the movie, "Harriet". There's way more to ADOS and our push for reparations than Africans taking acting roles. It's the muting of our history as descendants of slavery and Jim Crow and the flattening of blackness that is our concern. Reparations is a debt that's owed, and it's entitled to ADOS, not ppl who just happen to be black in America. In that regard, you cannot compare those who migrated here willingly(even if their ancestors were enslaved elsewhere) to those whose ancestors were brought here to America in chains.
@Apeman Commeth Once again, ill-informed. African and black immigrants are not coming here and doing better because they are working harder, they're doing better because they have not been equally disadvantaged. Beyond slavery, there was Jim Crow, redlining, mass incarceration, convict leasing, and more that have all contributed to the systemic oppression of American Descendants of Slavery specifically, not just black people generally. Additionally, as the reporter pointed out, it is the solidarity of their culture in their homes that further ground their identity while we're being told our identity belongs to the whole of black people. It is myth that American blacks are dependant on government assistance because of laziness or comfort; that is a control mechanism implemented by design. Projections show that the median black household will be worth $0 by 2053. That is not individual agency on the part of ADOS! That is true racism, and no one, black or otherwise, gets to say these setbacks for ADOS don't exist! No one is sitting and waiting for a payout, we're fighting for reparations because it's absolutely necessary for economic inclusion in the country of our birth! Politics and government are they keys to success for ANYONE, the country at large is just not used to and uncomfortable seeing American blacks fight so passionately and intellectually in this generation.
@Apeman Commeth I'm black and I agree with you 100%. New blacks to the country don't moan the past and scratch it for grievance peddling. Two balcks, one born to immigrant family in 1990s, and this black guy both had the same chance relatively. The immigrant have parents who busted their asses and, the black citizen probably have parents or grannies who worship Al Sharpton.
Anyway, some f the commentators say that the reporter ignored what the concrete criticism of the actress was (her alleged "offensive" tweets against black Americans). And then he turned the segment to another issue that bothers him which what a fringe idiotic group thinks if him. If that's accurate then the reporter erred by spinning the story.
Now on the merits of this segment. I had no clue who this stupid group is, until ABC gave you an airtime. A few points to be said;
(1) When it comes to acting, no one cares about the origins of the actor/actress. The story has to be told and the viewers has to feel it. So a skilled actor/actress have to be picked.
There were controversy about only white students playing Founding Fathers roles in school plays because they "looked the part". And non-white students were excluded. Then schools changed that to get kids to participate in historic plays. And the only criteria was a person's ability to play the role. "Hamilton" was a big success, although the play didn't adhere to the color of each historic figure. Who cares!!
2) Affirmative Action programs (which I'm against it and I'm black) are not premised today on helping those who faced injustice in the past. Because it doesn't distinguish affluent blacks from poor blacks or poor whites. No socioeconomic consideration at all. It just consider blackness.
Of course proponents of Affirmative Action have abandoned that. Because the counter-argument is "not after 50 years of Civil Rights Act", and "a poor white kid in WV is having similar rough time" and "for how long will that continue". All are legitimate arguments. So proponents shifted to just another argument, {"ethnic diversity is wonderful"}. And it comes from institutions themselves. Black proponents can't make that argument because a common reply may question the benefit of such proposition and it looks self-serving. It comes from institutions (businesses, schools..etc). By the way, quotas are illegal. But Harvard figured away to put a ceiling on Asians at 22% in admissions, to actually push for wealthy whites, along side blacks. They give Asians low grades at personal character tests. So they lower their overall score. Aff Action in education also hurt blacks who earned it by diluting the achievements of everyone (It's only liberal art schools who does so). Now most blacks go to applied science degrees and medicine (. Liberal Art schools use Affirmative Action to attract blacks because they can't have classes and whine about Identity Politics classes, withouthaving a black man sitting beside them.😂
¤ ¤ The entire drama peddled by this fringe group is about is about grievance peddling and attention seeking. There will not be any repatriation. Forget about it. People moved-on. So move along.
I think you she's insecure because she's light-skinned and some racist blacks measure the degree of skin color to determine if someone is black. So this issue is her counter attack on them. Both of these groups look idiotic in the eyes of the society.
@@camronimagi2973 You are my SPIRIT ANIMAL ❤ you could not have said this any better. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes and I feel so defeated, but you reminded me we have to keep fighting! Our children deserve it even if we don't see it in our lifetime. Imagine if those before us just stopped fighting because society wanted them to be complacent.
Imagine what the reaction woulda been if she’d won the Oscar
We are so divided as a people it is unbelievable.
Am an African in Africa and I get it we don't have the same history, they should have cast a black american of the same history.
But we saw an African American playing African roles i.e Idi Amin, Nelson Mandela, Winnie Mandela,hotel Rwanda etc. Yet we have capable African actors/actresses to accurately play those roles.
Hollywood cares about star power those movies would be unknown without the stars,forest Whitaker, Morgan freeman,Jenifer Hudson. The movies needed the star,the world is very disinterested in Africa. Also black Americans have a problem with Cynthia erivo herself,they didn't protest lupita nyongo or the guy she was with in twelve years a slave,we don't get to tell them how to feel Cynthia disrespected them and then she gets to play an icon of their history?? Even I say NO.
@@katn6711 yet the story line was there but the acting was horrible all of those roles should have went to an African brother
Thank you sis
who919 they were produced in America for Americans, we do not need to cater to anyone else
Lindsey is disrespectful, pretending as if she doesn't understand the issue. Steve did a good job of presenting both sides of the argument. As a first generation of black immigrant I benefited from programs that were intended for ADOS. They were done wrong by the country they help built and they are owe a debt, not just from slavery but for decades of policy put in place to keep them as a bottom cast in this country.
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That interviewer looks like he is about to laugh every second of thier conversation or maybe he was just trying to hold in a fart.
That woman at 3:30 explaining why her blackness is more important than the man’s that is interviewing her is so sad. Black ppl arguing over who had it worse. Never thought I’d see something like this in my life. Disgusting.
Ados is about more than discrimination and culture. It's about our community as a whole who literally built this country and are still at the bottom. Data doesn't lie! Even though this was an interview more about Harriet the film, I'm glad for the exposure for our movement.
The white man puts who he wants in his movies.Simple
There is a reason there are entire classes around this issue. It’s definitely a valid and good conversation to have.
I watched the movie, I loved the movie! I told the people who screened it with me that she better receive a Oscar Nomination for her performance. Brit or American didn't matter to me. What stirred my emotions and made me forget that I was watching a period piece was her amazing performance. I am pretty sure that African Americans were not prohibited for auditioning for the role. Casting, producers and the powers that be saw the talent that shined and made it brighter. Please, if you have not seen this movie do not protest or boycott it. It is too important of a film to have this kind of controversy.
Meanwhile her mediocre performance got a nom but Lupita Nyong'o for US missed? Yeah okay
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