Piccolo earned it! He's been the ultimate stepdad and teammate for literally everybody while always getting shit on! The guy was KING at one point. He deserved that badass upgrade
@@hunterhadoukenI was thinking that the meaning behind Piccolo(my 4th favorite character in Dragon Ball) getting that upgrade wasn’t just through training. It was also from all the total power ups and fusions he had acquired over time, combined. I thought his orange color was a random choice but it dawned on me that it’s probably due to the namekian connection he has to the dragon balls
Both are unearned. People like this to confuse unearned and deserved. I’m saying this as a heavy piccolo fan who loves orange piccolo and been begging for piccolo to have his own unique form. Piccolo wished for his and gohan put zero work into his. I would be willing to acknowledge that he trained off screen if it wasn’t directly contradicted in the movie with him struggling with piccolos gi. It’s a azzpull if I ever seen one.
Gotta be honest gohan beast was literally a thing stated to happen If im not mistaken on the japonese dub he says that he feels like hes close to a new form (wich i would say this is a mix between ssj2 and the mistic form something like The blue+kaioken and the official but not canon ssj4 limit breaker wich is ssj4 with god ki)
Lmao W video, super is “nostalgia bait: The anime” im afraid, there’s no logical reason behind these power ups. The power ups in super are more like “ hey remember this series defining moment transformation/upgrade, well here’s the modern,less epic version of that pulling at your nostalgia “
While I would LOVE to write an entire masters thesis on why Piccolo’s transformation was well and truly earned, I will try to be brief. Simply put, DBS manga established well before the movie came out that the dragonballs were originally meant to celebrate brave Namekian warriors, and the wishes were supposed to be reserved specifically as rewards for said warriors who used them during times of suffering. Piccolo didn’t cheat into a power up. He only asked for his potential (his already present but latent power) to be unlocked. He made his wish with unselfish desire, because he only wanted the power to protect Earth against a new emerging evil, since he was the last and only available line of defense left. It was Piccolo’s bravery and sacrifices over the course of the entire franchise that proved his mettle as a bold Namekian warrior, and it is that journey that was what prompted Shenron to fulfill the true original purpose of the dragon balls, to give Piccolo his earned reward for years of service.
If you read the manga you’ll know it was coming and even in the show Gohan told Goku that he’s going to push pass SSJ and have a power that’s completely his own so it was foreshadowing a new transformation
Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan are asspulls if you ask me. I'll agree with you on one thing, Piccolo deserved way more, Super did him dirty. He is always training and always gets the short end of the stick. The thing is he should have been relevant with how much he trained but he wasn't allowed to be. They then had to think of a way to make him relevant again, and quick. We need him to be relevant, fuck it let's just make him wish for it and call it, Yes! Amazing writing, everyone gets a pat on the back. I Understand "but it's Namekian heritage blah blah blah", it's still lame and boring writing to have him just wish for it. Same thing with Super in general, they make all characters useless. Most of them were background characters in Z. Gohan can't even handle first form frieza as a super saiyan ???? Frieza being relevant is also an issue if you ask me, just don't bring him back, nostalgia bait(same with Cell max). But now they are needed for T.O.P hey guys lets give people plot based power ups, Let's say roshi was training in secret, Android 17 was training off-screen, Gohan is now blue level when they kept saying he was rusty,Krillin makes Goku go Super Saiyan somehow, Don't even get me started on Beast Gohan L0L, bro has barely had to work for any power up ever.
Piccolo i think earned it. He has always kept up his training and he deserved a power up to be somewhat relevant again in the narrative. Gohan just really didnt ngl😅 its pointed out during the movie how little he has been training and keeping it up
Finally someone said it.. ngl that film was pure shite.. as a longterm fan someone who watched dbs dbz growing up when it oglriginally aired i hate these forms. They are so overhyped and unearnt. Not to mention gohan beast looks pretty stupid.. ultimate gohan was enough imo. Piccolo has been outclassed since semi perfect cell why would unlocking potenital do anything lol that was a namek powerup
Bro the universe 7 saiyans getting super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 isn't an asspull, they were already primed to be able to go super Saiyan they just never knew that it was even a thing. Their stories which we never got to see got them too at least Battle of God's level in their base forms and that's where we met them.
I assume you mean universe 6 but that was an absolute asspull. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta worked for that and the 6 Saiyans just....did it. It's bull and crap writing
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuythat’s because they are advanced past the universe 7 saiyans and don’t just rely on the primitive principal of emotions to fuel their powers. It just is what it is, it doesn’t matter how universe 7 did it when we’re talking about universe 6
@@MilleniumKage considering Saiyan biology is the same in both universes the 6 Saiyans still should've earned it. "Advanced beyond" is an ass pull take homie, they're still warriors, hell they're lazier compared to universe 7 so technically they should've lost the ability to even transform based on your take.
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuy universe 7 was fed the part truth with takes of tapping into Rage when it’s really a strong sense of emotion and S cells needed to do the trick. Universe 6 saiyans are able to correctly gather the energy, and there may be a more efficient way to do it, the universe 7 saiyans hadn’t bothered to learn to do so because they were fed with the notion of only raw angry emotion being the only way to achieve it when in actuality, it can be much simple. Saiyans with more calm natures have more s Cells and while universe 7 was murderous and aggressive, while Universe 6 wasn’t wiped out and was able to civilize and become a more peaceful society, hence more S cells so yah, they are more advanced, idc if you like it or not because it doesn’t matter.
Cant speak for piccolo, but gohan has ALWAYS been labeled as a non fighter even tho he actually is. Look back to kid gohan when he seen goku getting beaten by raditz he had a sudden burst of power stronger than gokus. He was able to damage frieza as a kid which goku had a very hard time doing until he went super saiyan. Fast forward again to cell vs gohan he surpassed goku yet again. Then by the time the buu saga came around gohan was weaker than goku because as its true to the story he isn’t a “fighter” but this is where beast gohan comes in. Gohan had his potential awakened by a kai and had become stronger than ss3 goku yet again no training. Fast forward to super and gohan is now weaker than goku again but with a little training hes already sparring against ssb goku. Now for the last fast forward we’re in superheroes. Gohan had his power awakened by a supreme kai. And all it took was the deep rage that always gave him power since the beginning of z to awaken his beast form which is obviously a transformation derived from the kais. A kai with white hair awakened and gohans power and his hair turns white while in beast form so common sense should tell its definetly a kai transformation. People forget when it came to gohan its never been about training its been stated multiple times thats its all in his anger. In short gohan powers are completely earned based off his character and I haven’t even started the video. Now piccolo i guess hes a namekian so wishing on the dragon balls for more powers is literally unearned but he gets a pass.
Sadly I have to disagree. Piccolo's form is an ass pull because it was established that the dragon balls can't make someone stronger if they are already stronger than the dragon. To unleash their potential is one thing, but to give him a whole ass transformation, elevating him to God level is a stretch. Secondly, both Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo are around the UI or UE levels of power, since it was established that the Gammas were equal to Blue Goku and Vegeta, as well as that Cell max was Broly level threat. Also we see Beast going against UI Goku in the Manga and he wasn't losing
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuy He was, but Vegeta stated that Gohan is fast enough to go past UI's autonomous dodging, so I believe that Toriyama and Toyotaro were trying to imply that the battle can go either way. Still doesn't change the fact that Beast is undeserved, unexplained ass pull. Unrelated, but I actually have one good thing to say about Orange and Beast, I like the designs. People are hating on Gohan's ridiculous hair, but I think it's still much better than the color slap that was blue/rose, but it still continues the trend introduced in Super of just rehashing old transformations with a little tweak. For Orange Piccolo in terms of design, I love it, he looks really cool and makes him actually look more powerful, which again, Blue didn't do for Goku and Vegeta.
Orange Piccolo DOES scale to an MUI Goku and SSB Vegeta, Just weaker versions of them from a previous manga only arc as Piccolo says Gamma 1 and 2 are equal to Goku and Vegeta from that previous manga arc Also Piccolo in Z does scale to the Saiyans alot of times post Raditz, In the Android Saga after fusing with Kami he is able to contend with Android 17 who is stronger then Android 18 who then beat Super Saiyan Vegeta earlier
0:05 Beast Gohan is a lot higher than Super Saiyan Blue. Cell Max is a little weaker than Broly at full power which took Goku and Vegeta fusing to take down. So Gohan is at the level of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego Goku and Vegeta because in the manga the events of Super Hero take place after the Granolah arc. Gohan’s giant hair in Beast is due to it being an evolution of his Ultimate form. Just to get an idea when the elder Kai gave Gohan his ultimate form he said he can make a cat into a tiger something like that.
And also about Gohan getting soft Gohan did train in the Super Hero movie. At the end Piccolo asks him how he learned the special beam canon and he reveals he practices in secret implying he remains consistent.
@@Higgins1605 a weaker mui Goku. They did fight and it was akin to a tie......then Goku stated he was holding back. Gohan will only ever be on par at best
Piccolo earned it! He's been the ultimate stepdad and teammate for literally everybody while always getting shit on! The guy was KING at one point. He deserved that badass upgrade
YESS THANK YOU!!! I was hoping someone would agree! 😂
@@hunterhadoukenI was thinking that the meaning behind Piccolo(my 4th favorite character in Dragon Ball) getting that upgrade wasn’t just through training. It was also from all the total power ups and fusions he had acquired over time, combined. I thought his orange color was a random choice but it dawned on me that it’s probably due to the namekian connection he has to the dragon balls
Dude's not a stepdad, he's a baby sitter.
@@hunterhadoukenbro beast gohan is stronger than MUI
@@Tysuonet bro WHAAAAAATTT?!?
Both are unearned. People like this to confuse unearned and deserved. I’m saying this as a heavy piccolo fan who loves orange piccolo and been begging for piccolo to have his own unique form.
Piccolo wished for his and gohan put zero work into his. I would be willing to acknowledge that he trained off screen if it wasn’t directly contradicted in the movie with him struggling with piccolos gi. It’s a azzpull if I ever seen one.
Gotta be honest gohan beast was literally a thing stated to happen
If im not mistaken on the japonese dub he says that he feels like hes close to a new form (wich i would say this is a mix between ssj2 and the mistic form something like
The blue+kaioken and the official but not canon ssj4 limit breaker wich is ssj4 with god ki)
very unearned, Piccolo deserves powers, but the way it is done is just kinda shit xD
Lmao W video, super is “nostalgia bait: The anime” im afraid, there’s no logical reason behind these power ups. The power ups in super are more like “ hey remember this series defining moment transformation/upgrade, well here’s the modern,less epic version of that pulling at your nostalgia “
While I would LOVE to write an entire masters thesis on why Piccolo’s transformation was well and truly earned, I will try to be brief. Simply put, DBS manga established well before the movie came out that the dragonballs were originally meant to celebrate brave Namekian warriors, and the wishes were supposed to be reserved specifically as rewards for said warriors who used them during times of suffering. Piccolo didn’t cheat into a power up. He only asked for his potential (his already present but latent power) to be unlocked. He made his wish with unselfish desire, because he only wanted the power to protect Earth against a new emerging evil, since he was the last and only available line of defense left. It was Piccolo’s bravery and sacrifices over the course of the entire franchise that proved his mettle as a bold Namekian warrior, and it is that journey that was what prompted Shenron to fulfill the true original purpose of the dragon balls, to give Piccolo his earned reward for years of service.
Gohan should always be strong but not the best fighter...
Yall see the shenron tattoo on my arm????? 😳
Badass tattoo🔥🔥
Piccolo deserves it!
If you read the manga you’ll know it was coming and even in the show Gohan told Goku that he’s going to push pass SSJ and have a power that’s completely his own so it was foreshadowing a new transformation
Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan are asspulls if you ask me. I'll agree with you on one thing, Piccolo deserved way more, Super did him dirty. He is always training and always gets the short end of the stick. The thing is he should have been relevant with how much he trained but he wasn't allowed to be.
They then had to think of a way to make him relevant again, and quick. We need him to be relevant, fuck it let's just make him wish for it and call it, Yes! Amazing writing, everyone gets a pat on the back. I Understand "but it's Namekian heritage blah blah blah", it's still lame and boring writing to have him just wish for it. Same thing with Super in general, they make all characters useless. Most of them were background characters in Z. Gohan can't even handle first form frieza as a super saiyan ???? Frieza being relevant is also an issue if you ask me, just don't bring him back, nostalgia bait(same with Cell max).
But now they are needed for T.O.P hey guys lets give people plot based power ups, Let's say roshi was training in secret, Android 17 was training off-screen, Gohan is now blue level when they kept saying he was rusty,Krillin makes Goku go Super Saiyan somehow,
Don't even get me started on Beast Gohan L0L, bro has barely had to work for any power up ever.
Piccolo i think earned it. He has always kept up his training and he deserved a power up to be somewhat relevant again in the narrative. Gohan just really didnt ngl😅 its pointed out during the movie how little he has been training and keeping it up
Finally someone said it.. ngl that film was pure shite.. as a longterm fan someone who watched dbs dbz growing up when it oglriginally aired i hate these forms. They are so overhyped and unearnt. Not to mention gohan beast looks pretty stupid.. ultimate gohan was enough imo. Piccolo has been outclassed since semi perfect cell why would unlocking potenital do anything lol that was a namek powerup
Bro the universe 7 saiyans getting super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 isn't an asspull, they were already primed to be able to go super Saiyan they just never knew that it was even a thing. Their stories which we never got to see got them too at least Battle of God's level in their base forms and that's where we met them.
I assume you mean universe 6 but that was an absolute asspull. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta worked for that and the 6 Saiyans just....did it. It's bull and crap writing
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuythat’s because they are advanced past the universe 7 saiyans and don’t just rely on the primitive principal of emotions to fuel their powers. It just is what it is, it doesn’t matter how universe 7 did it when we’re talking about universe 6
@@MilleniumKage considering Saiyan biology is the same in both universes the 6 Saiyans still should've earned it. "Advanced beyond" is an ass pull take homie, they're still warriors, hell they're lazier compared to universe 7 so technically they should've lost the ability to even transform based on your take.
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuy universe 7 was fed the part truth with takes of tapping into Rage when it’s really a strong sense of emotion and S cells needed to do the trick. Universe 6 saiyans are able to correctly gather the energy, and there may be a more efficient way to do it, the universe 7 saiyans hadn’t bothered to learn to do so because they were fed with the notion of only raw angry emotion being the only way to achieve it when in actuality, it can be much simple.
Saiyans with more calm natures have more s Cells and while universe 7 was murderous and aggressive, while Universe 6 wasn’t wiped out and was able to civilize and become a more peaceful society, hence more S cells so yah, they are more advanced, idc if you like it or not because it doesn’t matter.
read manga and youll understand way more
Cant speak for piccolo, but gohan has ALWAYS been labeled as a non fighter even tho he actually is. Look back to kid gohan when he seen goku getting beaten by raditz he had a sudden burst of power stronger than gokus. He was able to damage frieza as a kid which goku had a very hard time doing until he went super saiyan. Fast forward again to cell vs gohan he surpassed goku yet again. Then by the time the buu saga came around gohan was weaker than goku because as its true to the story he isn’t a “fighter” but this is where beast gohan comes in. Gohan had his potential awakened by a kai and had become stronger than ss3 goku yet again no training. Fast forward to super and gohan is now weaker than goku again but with a little training hes already sparring against ssb goku. Now for the last fast forward we’re in superheroes. Gohan had his power awakened by a supreme kai. And all it took was the deep rage that always gave him power since the beginning of z to awaken his beast form which is obviously a transformation derived from the kais. A kai with white hair awakened and gohans power and his hair turns white while in beast form so common sense should tell its definetly a kai transformation. People forget when it came to gohan its never been about training its been stated multiple times thats its all in his anger. In short gohan powers are completely earned based off his character and I haven’t even started the video. Now piccolo i guess hes a namekian so wishing on the dragon balls for more powers is literally unearned but he gets a pass.
Those transformations are trash and made up at that
They're all made up though....it's a cartoon.
Sadly I have to disagree. Piccolo's form is an ass pull because it was established that the dragon balls can't make someone stronger if they are already stronger than the dragon. To unleash their potential is one thing, but to give him a whole ass transformation, elevating him to God level is a stretch. Secondly, both Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo are around the UI or UE levels of power, since it was established that the Gammas were equal to Blue Goku and Vegeta, as well as that Cell max was Broly level threat. Also we see Beast going against UI Goku in the Manga and he wasn't losing
Goku was also holding back.
@@TotallyNotThatOneGuy He was, but Vegeta stated that Gohan is fast enough to go past UI's autonomous dodging, so I believe that Toriyama and Toyotaro were trying to imply that the battle can go either way. Still doesn't change the fact that Beast is undeserved, unexplained ass pull.
Unrelated, but I actually have one good thing to say about Orange and Beast, I like the designs. People are hating on Gohan's ridiculous hair, but I think it's still much better than the color slap that was blue/rose, but it still continues the trend introduced in Super of just rehashing old transformations with a little tweak. For Orange Piccolo in terms of design, I love it, he looks really cool and makes him actually look more powerful, which again, Blue didn't do for Goku and Vegeta.
Orange Piccolo DOES scale to an MUI Goku and SSB Vegeta, Just weaker versions of them from a previous manga only arc as Piccolo says Gamma 1 and 2 are equal to Goku and Vegeta from that previous manga arc
Also Piccolo in Z does scale to the Saiyans alot of times post Raditz, In the Android Saga after fusing with Kami he is able to contend with Android 17 who is stronger then Android 18 who then beat Super Saiyan Vegeta earlier
0:05 Beast Gohan is a lot higher than Super Saiyan Blue. Cell Max is a little weaker than Broly at full power which took Goku and Vegeta fusing to take down. So Gohan is at the level of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego Goku and Vegeta because in the manga the events of Super Hero take place after the Granolah arc. Gohan’s giant hair in Beast is due to it being an evolution of his Ultimate form. Just to get an idea when the elder Kai gave Gohan his ultimate form he said he can make a cat into a tiger something like that.
And also about Gohan getting soft Gohan did train in the Super Hero movie. At the end Piccolo asks him how he learned the special beam canon and he reveals he practices in secret implying he remains consistent.
HE’S HIGHER THAN SSJ BLUE??? WHAAAAATTT!!! Does that mean Orange Piccolo is also higher than ssj blue? Or is piccolo still not at that level yet?
@@hunterhadouken In the manga im not ginna spoil how but he is around on par with MUI Goku
@@Higgins1605WHAAAAAATTT
@@Higgins1605 a weaker mui Goku. They did fight and it was akin to a tie......then Goku stated he was holding back. Gohan will only ever be on par at best