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  • @BlackWaterCyclist
    @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

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  • @thephoenixcycle8854
    @thephoenixcycle8854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very cool information thank you!

  • @furapneusvialonga8574
    @furapneusvialonga8574 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hello, ONLY today came a cross some off your videos, by the way great information. I want to ask you if it is possible to put a dub spindle on a non dub cranks ?? Thanks and best regards.

  • @aarons9059
    @aarons9059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BWC, really super video you did.
    Can you clarify a few things?
    a)Do you know which SRAM Dub or BB30 crankarms are bonded to NDside spindle & not removeable? (Ex. are all Eagles bonded or just XX1/XX0, etc. I know GXP is bonded, just trying to better clarify which models the Spindle is removeable.)
    b)With these SRAM cranks (NDS & DS) - am I understanding correctly, both sides can take 30mm Spindles or Dub Spindles? Probably dumb of me to ask, but I wasn't 100% clear if only one side's interface can be interchanged (ie DS, but not NDS),
    thanks so much for any time you have to clarifying these things!
    PS liked seeing the Assioma's ;)

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Aaron! All Dub spindles are bonded so it won't work with the dub spindles. Both DS and NDS have the same BB30 interface which is nice. As far as which models, really any model that has a bolt on the NDS is removable. Its really just the models that have PF30 printed on the black spindle that are removable.
      Just some extra info, you can put a Race Face crank arm on one side and a sram on the other if you for some reason broke a crank arm. Cannondale you cannot do this because the BB30 interface is clocked a little off so it will go on the spindle but one crank will be at 12 o clock and the other at like 5 o clock.
      Yeah the Assiomas were awesome until I broke them :( I was doing some rough MTB riding with them and killed them. My fault completely.

  • @azuanaziz4383
    @azuanaziz4383 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the info DUB spindle can share crank with bb30 spindle

  • @woodworks2123
    @woodworks2123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. How do you figure out exactly which spindle lenth to get as theres alot of choices?

  • @BlackWaterCyclist
    @BlackWaterCyclist  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for watching. I hope you have found this video beneficial. If you have done this modification, what was your experience, or do you have any questions for me? Love to hear feedback and questions.

    • @paulb9769
      @paulb9769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi please help. I purchased a Force 22 BB30 crank is it possible to fit it to a BSA 68mm shell?

  • @RodrigoAmado207
    @RodrigoAmado207 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just to be sure.... so if I buy a DUB crankset, I can remove the spindle, install a PF30 spindle and use with a PF30 bottom bracket? If yes, does the same goes for a CINCH/RaceFace crankset? Thanks for the video!!

  • @swiszdelafuente6555
    @swiszdelafuente6555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if i customize sram crankset replace the spindle for fatbike

  • @johnnon6583
    @johnnon6583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are the drive and non drive side of the spindle the same fitting and bolt diameter?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Johnny, sorry my TH-cam just notified me of your comment. Yeah both sides are the same.

  • @janikkaspar
    @janikkaspar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the awesome video! Do you mind posting the spindle lengths of the SRAM MTB and SRAM Road?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Road pf30 is 118mm and MTB pf30 is 114 . The mtb pf30 spindles are narrower than the road option. They use the bend in the crank arm to make them wider to clear the mtb frame. Those measurements are with the arms removed and measured end to end.

  • @manoloman2000
    @manoloman2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hola , en unas bielas x0 con eje bb30 largo, ¿ se podría cambiar el eje para caja de pedalier bb92 por uno de la marca Race face cinch 30 ? y de ser posible ¿ que largo se necesita para bb92 ?.
    Un saludo.

  • @iamtoobi
    @iamtoobi ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great thanks for sharing! I can't find anywhere else that posts the spindle lengths for Sram bb30/pf30/bb386/... I'm trying to fit some Sram Red 22 road cranks on a BSA frame. I know the Force 22 spindle is long enough to fit BSA BB with external cups. But I suspect the Wide (which i think is called BB386) version of the Sram Red 22 crankset (the one with removable spider) has the same spindle length as the Force. Have you encountered that or know if those spindles are the same length?

  • @rafaelolioza6203
    @rafaelolioza6203 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what size is the second axis?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the question. The short black spindle is 115mm (came off the mtb crank) and the longer black spindle is 118mm (Came off the road crank). Is that the info you were looking for? Thanks again for watching.

  • @rubenvor
    @rubenvor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man! You answered so many of my questions! I'm on the market looking for a cheap used carbon crankset, so my question is: you did that spindle swap, to be able to fit a road crankset on a mountain bike, right?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful for you! Yes I did it to install the road arms on my mountain bike.

    • @rubenvor
      @rubenvor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist Awesome! Last question, how do I start from scratch? I have this old sram XO crankset, but I lost the spindle, and I want to install in in a new frame, which measurements and dimensionas should I consider to get the correct 30mm spindle?

  • @Leo-gt1bx
    @Leo-gt1bx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could I please ask for some advice. I bought a second hand Sram Force 2 crank a Praxis Buzz ring and Dub BSA BB. I discovered that it is only for press fit. How could I size the required spindle for my shell?

  • @paulitolade456
    @paulitolade456 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i appreciate it if you can answer this are sram nx spindle threaded to crank arm or just pressed?

  • @Gav_s_dh5
    @Gav_s_dh5 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, sorry this is a bit late, but I have recently snapped my sram truvativ xo crank on my dh bike and I bought a new mtb crankset but the spindle is for a normal mountain bike and is to small to fit on to my dh bike bottom bracket. As I have seen in this video I can remove both of the spindles and swap it will this work as it’s both mtb cranks worth the bend

  • @guillaumedougados9867
    @guillaumedougados9867 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would that hack be possible with a DUB BB92 as well? The RaceFace spindle is 30mm while DUB spindles are 24mm in diameter - thanks

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually the dub spindles are 28.99mm. all of the dub crank sets have the spindle permanently bonded on the left crank arm so you can't swap the spindles. Also the gxp are permanently bonded as well to the left crank arm. I hope that helps.

  • @BjornPalm
    @BjornPalm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does this really work on the newer kind of sram dub cranks? It seems like the non drive side is just pressed on and not screwed like on the older ones unfortunately. 😢

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately it will not work with the dub spindles.

  • @Rafiki506VaDeRide
    @Rafiki506VaDeRide 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, my spindler (cinch) Sram xx1 is to tight, what can i do???

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you trying to take it off? Is this for Sram? You have to hit it pretty hard with the rubber mallet if you want to break it free.

  • @ryln72
    @ryln72 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Helpful video

  • @alfonsolizarazo9806
    @alfonsolizarazo9806 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video! Could I put a GXP spindle on those arms or specifically on the Cannondale Si arms?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Alfonso, thanks for watching. Unfortunately the GXP spindle is not removable so you cannot do the same as you can with the 30mm spindles. Almost all 30mm spindles have the same interface for the crankarms from Sram to cdale to raceface/Easton. One company that is different is Rotor. I hope that helps.

  • @scubasteve2050
    @scubasteve2050 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your hacks! I noticed you mentioned the crank needs to have a removable spider. I have a Red 22 crankset that I wanted to put a longer spindle on. It has an integrated spider. Is there any reason that shouldn't work. Thanks!

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Steven, thanks man. As long as it has the PF30 spindle then you can change it out. The smaller GXP spindle is not removable.

  • @Eric-si3iu
    @Eric-si3iu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome vid! My rear hub is 197mm can I use the 190mm spindle?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eric, oh yeah, just need to get the race face spindle that is 190mm to replace the narrower spindle and you are good to go.

  • @etan070
    @etan070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if i do this and swap the shorter spindle for a longer one, what bb can i use? i have a orbea rallon with a 73mm threaded bb. thanks

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Several companies make them. Raceface, rotor, wheels manufacturing all make them as well as a few others. If you Google "30mm threaded bottom bracket", you should see several. Let me know if you don't find any. Thanks for watching.

    • @etan070
      @etan070 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist unfortunately there arent much selection here in new zealand and from there are no one decent to talk to about what i need when i called my LBS. i have seen this www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/245410/race-face-bsa-cinch-30mm-bottom-brackets but no one can confirm if it would work for what i need. i hope you could help. thanks

  • @suphanna23
    @suphanna23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you !

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome, hope it was beneficial for you.

  • @tevemullins8156
    @tevemullins8156 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m currently upgrading my gravel bike and this video was very helpful. Do you know what the standard spindle length is on a Quarq BB30? I want to say I need at least 104mm to clear 68mm BSA frame.

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful. When measuring from inside of the left crank arm to the end of the spindle, it was 106mm in length.

  • @foreverridingsolo
    @foreverridingsolo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just what I need. I have a perfectly good Sram red Crankset that I would like to reuse for my new road
    bike. It has a bsa bb what spindle length do I need to make it work. I know Easton makes bsa 30 bb

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should be able to use the regular 30mm spindle unless it is the older super skinny spindle of the bb30 days. If it is the super skinny spindle then it is not removable. Otherwise you just need to buy the BSA 30mm bottom bracket to make it work with your frame.

  • @adrianmamaril6282
    @adrianmamaril6282 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi bro! i habe giant trance with bb shell of 89.5, and same sram road spindle, 134mm same like this size is enough?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry for the delay. Yes 134mm will be plenty wide enough for you. I actually have ended up finding a 131mm and it is working great. 134 is perfect.

  • @Wheelieparty
    @Wheelieparty 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey do you know the spindle length for a 2021 sram gx eagle crankset?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I will have to look. I am guessing you are talking about the dub spindle? I have a stylo dub that maybe the same that I could measure.

    • @Wheelieparty
      @Wheelieparty 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist
      That’s ok I got the measurement it was 112mm thank you

  • @solomonlopez3514
    @solomonlopez3514 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What size bottom bracket do you have? I currently have a wheels manufacturing BSA 73mm that converts my threaded bb to a 30mm. Could I run an easton 129mm spindle and be alright? My bike is non boost 142 and I have the sram s900 series road cranks you used in the video.

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you would be fine with the Easton 129mm spindle. The race Face is only 5mm wider and I have more than enough room on my boost anthem for 2.5mm on each side of my chainstays.

  • @nesiospeed
    @nesiospeed 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need your advice please !
    I have a 92mm frame shell and i have a dub crankset with a bb sram pressfit 89/92mtb, so i want to use an Sram Xx1 bb30 crankset but the spindle is too short for the 92mm shell, do you know which spindle length do i need to buy ? I saw a cannondale 137mm but im not sure if that size i can use it to fit in my frame, or i need to buy the raceface and in which length options ?
    i preciate for your help ( my bike is a Norco Sight 148mm boost )
    I know that with this New setup i will need to change the bb to a bb30 or made the spindle reduction like you did to fit to 29mm, seems something good to do

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Rodrigo, Sram actually made two different spindle links for BB30 mtb. Surprising the BB30 MTB spindle is shorter than the Road Spindle. If you could find a Sram Road 30mm Spindle, it would be wide enough but not so wide that is makes your Q factor too wide. I would go for something around 130mm wide. Easton has the EC90 Road SPindle which is 129mm which would be perfect. The Race Face shortest spindle is 134mm. I just measured my MTB BB30 and it is 115mm wide. The Road Spindle is 120mm wide. SO if you can find something between 120 and 130, I think you will be in business.

  • @gthegyd4269
    @gthegyd4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, I hope this is still active. I have a SRAM X1 1400 bb30 crank. Which spindle length would be best to use with Wheels mfg bsa30 and 73mm frame? Thanks for any answers

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am glad it worked out for you and thanks for contacting me on IG about it

    • @ttvrdik
      @ttvrdik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What length was used for that set up?

  • @efrenm8826
    @efrenm8826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are both ends of the spindle the same diameter? If they are not do you know if I can fit a dub spindle on an xx1 non dub crankset?

    • @efrenm8826
      @efrenm8826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Note my bike has a sram dub 73mm bsa bottom bracket and I'm trying to replace my current crankset I got a deal on a sram xx1 crank but I didn't see that it was a non dub so the outside diameter of the spindle is larger than my 29mm dub thats why I want to replace my dub spindle on to the xx1 crankset

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@efrenm8826 ok so you have a few options. The DUB spindle is stuck with the left side crankarm. It is one piece. So to keep the DUB BB you will need to run your DUB left side and spindle with the XX1 on the right side because the interface is the same between the DUB right crank arm and the 30mm right crank arm. But then you would have two cranksets tied up into one bike. If I were you I would get the appropriate 30mm bottom bracket. What bike do you have? I can maybe figure it out for you. The XX1 you got is PF30(30mm spindle) correct?

    • @efrenm8826
      @efrenm8826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist yes thats exactly what the xx1 is and as for my bike I have an evil insurgent 2019

  • @jethrovergara
    @jethrovergara 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does sram have the same spindle material on all of their bb30 cranksets? I'm planning on changing my sram red spindle for a shorter one but concerned about the weight of other sram bb30 spindles cranks

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah all the Sram spindles are the same weight. They do not make an SL version for the Red cranks. Some companies do have slightly lighter spindles than the Sram, like Raceface but they do not have narrower spindles.

    • @jethrovergara
      @jethrovergara 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist thanks! do you have any idea what spindle length should I get from raceface? I have a cannondale sse hi mod 2013-2015 with a sram red crank. thanks in advance!

  • @kbilly118
    @kbilly118 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this possible on a Shimano m8000 crankset? I want to go from a 73mm bb to an 83mm bb

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not sure why but my TH-cam did not notify me of your comment. But Shimano have 24mm spindles and they are integrated in the driveside crank arm and cannot be taken off.

  • @pcafferk
    @pcafferk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you still have the road spindle? Any interest in parting with it?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually do have it but plan to keep it in case I need to run it on a road frame. Sometimes you can find a 30mm spindle on ebay that is the same width and it should work for you. Do you have the arms already? I could measure the width of the spindle so you know which one to get.

  • @tommytrevino6846
    @tommytrevino6846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m currently swapping out my boost setup for a older model X01 non boost setup that I am trying to make work. Could I purchase a race face spindle with the size I need, bolt it up to the cranks and run that or are the spindles not compatible? I need help! Thank you!

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Tommy, the spindles are compatible if the sram crank is 30mm spindle. You may need to get an Easton spindle at 129mm. The Race Face shortest spindle is 134 so if you use the bent arms of the sram MTB, then it will make your q factor very wide. Are you trying to put a regular non boost on a boost frame?

    • @tommytrevino6846
      @tommytrevino6846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist yes the spindle on my arms are currently 30mm! I need to figure the length of spindle I need for my 2020 stumpjumper that requires a boost setup. And yes I am trying to put them on a boost frame

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommytrevino6846 there are several 30mm spindles of different lengths on eBay that can also work. Some Cannondale spindles are around 124mm on there. So really any 30mm spindle that has that pattern will work for you. I actually recently got a 30mm spindle lathed down to 28.99mm for a dub bottom bracket. instagram.com/p/CPXD-uIBRLl/?

    • @tommytrevino6846
      @tommytrevino6846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist ohh wow let me look. Do you know more or less the size of spindle needed for a boosted 73mm bottom bracket? I have a race face cinch bottom bracket

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommytrevino6846 Sram actually made two different length spindles for their 30mm cranks. You can see in this picture here from Wolftooth components. www.spokelifecycles.com/product/wolf-tooth-components-direct-mount-for-sram-bb30-short-spindle-cranks-2485.htm
      If yours is Carbon then I imagine it is probably the shorter spindle. I just measured the one I have from a crankset like yours for a non boost frame and it was 115mm in length. The road spindle I have, which is actually 119mm long bc the road arms are straight and do not bend like the MTB cranks. You could probably get away with using a road spindle from a Sram road crankset which is 119mm.

  • @efrenm8826
    @efrenm8826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you take the spindle off a sram xx1?

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, sorry for the delay, we had Hurricane Sally hit us Wed and clean up yesterday. If it is the PF30 spindle model of the XX1 then yes the spindle can be removed.

  • @zepp3lin
    @zepp3lin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, didn't know you can do this kinda hack on Sram. I own a RaceFace Crankset with a 30mm Spindle and yes sometimes I did spindle swapping but RaceFace is designed for that.
    I wonder if X01 Eagle™ DUB™ crankset spindle can be swap. Thinking of swapping it to a 170mm Spindle Fat Bike.

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unfortunately the eagle dub spindle is bonded to the non drive crank arm to lower weight.

    • @zepp3lin
      @zepp3lin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlackWaterCyclist Awww.... Thanks for the reply....

  • @JamesNoBrakes
    @JamesNoBrakes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Use PVC pipe over the spindle, not a vice, no marks.

    • @BlackWaterCyclist
      @BlackWaterCyclist  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant James!!! I appreciate the helpful input!

    • @Rob_nunes
      @Rob_nunes 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great idea using PVC. I was thinking about using an old bearing or spacer between the vice and the arm to be the sacrificial part.

  • @eddylee2184
    @eddylee2184 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:2:29 pm

    • @eddylee2184
      @eddylee2184 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, can a Sram sx dub Spindle be removed?. I want to swap the original 175mm with 165mm arms. Because the leftside arm is DUB wide

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    @ellerybice3787 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @ryln72
    @ryln72 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Helpful video