Thanks so much for these videos. I just moved with my 1969 444, and she was a little cranky. I have a 444/445 manual, but schematics are a language I'm still learning, so these videos helped me understand them. I even took apart the power relay and cleaned the contacts (without the video I never would have guessed where that was located!!!) and now she works beautifully!
Taking apart the relays and cleaning them fixes all kinds of stuff, everybody thinks they need a new relay but the actual relay is hardly ever bad, just dirty! Glad you got it up and running again!
A friend just got a Rockola 442. Almost everything inside appears the same to yours. ...And his has the same problems. Thanks for putting the 3 video series here. It's a lifesaver.
Glad you're enjoying the videos Ryan, we have a soft spot for these old Jukeboxes, it's a shame there's so many broken ones around! Glad you're getting another one back up on it's feet!
This has been a great help to me working on my 1968 Rockola 437! Almost exactly the same but mine is an 80/160 version like the manual. I got everything working except the Read out is only picking up the A side of the records. It passes over the B side. Thanks again!!!
They mention that in the manual I think... if it keeps passing over that little solenoid isn't pulling in for some reason, the circuit should be pretty small...
Awesome video Joe. You know what you are doing, that's for sure. Got a little problem. Bought a Rock-Ola 460 about a year ago. Got it cleaned up and going. Yesterday moved it from the garage to the house on an appliance carrier and now it won't pickup the record at the end of the song. Going through the relays to see what's up, but can't find anything. Per your video, I will check the relays under the turntable. We really jarred it hard going up the stairs, yikes!
If you press the cancel button on the back will it pick it up? If it will then the arm needs adjusted it’s the screw on the end that allows it to pivot a little bit
Definitely something in the relay or one of the switches on the cam. In the manual (any of them) it shows how everything works step by step you’re up to the step where the relay pulls in so it’s either loose or dirty connections or something
@@LyonsArcade Thanks Joe! I am going to go through them one by one now. You're right, something has got to be loose somewhere. Thanks again. I'll let ya know what I find.
Depends on where it jams, sometimes the gripper bow will jam because the pin that holds it together sticks slightly out of the piston, when the piston pulls in the pin holds it from going all the way inside the sleeve and the arm will be stuck halfway up in the air...
Joe I need to know where I can get a copy of a manual with schematics for a 435 rockola princess deluxe. All I can find is a schematic of the Amp, which I have and does work (great sound). I have a manual but not with the wiring diagrams like you show on your videos. My 1.6 A fuse keeps blowing (good thing I have a large supply). Any help you can give would be great.
I have a Capri II and it isn't clearing the selection - when your record drops ~22:50 am I seeing the selection for that record getting cleared (right side of the turn table / solenoid engaging)?
@@LyonsArcade sorry, not sure what that means, did I say something wrong? Edit: Though I see I typed "left" when I should have said "right" - I corrected that mistake.
incredible !here i am 4 years later.... and i have a jukebox... almost working..Where did you get that manual ron? than i can make mine working again. thank you for the entertainment all those years. still going strong :)
Thanks for the great jukebox videos first off, do have a quick question do you know if you can switch out the moveable turn table to one that is not. So on this one you got the 3 tabs that will drop to play a record that has a single hole ( think 45 vs LP) I have a few old Phil Collins 45’s from England and they have the single hole not the big one out 45’s do. I have the rock ola 490 and my turntable is solid not with the drop pens like this one has.
I'm sure it could be swapped over but I've never done that myself... most of the parts interchange between the various models though so I would imagine the turntables would swap, I think the idler wheel and all that is the same under the turntable. Thanks for watching Jeff!
If we wanted to replace components for circuit shortages which we see happening in the far left box, is there a good repair kit you would recommend we order?
Hi Montana; Unfortunately nobody really makes a kit for it, what you have to do is either look in the manual for the part description (it'll say like 10uf 24v electrolytic capacitor), or look at the actual parts, then order them individually from a place like www.Newark.com ... You can still get about everything, if you run into a part like an IC chip that isn't on Newark you can usually find them on ebay. Good luck!
I have a 443, I replaced both gripper and carousel motors and now it keeps blowing the 1.6 mech fuse during write-in sequence. Any ideas? I checked the cam, and both relays. thanks.
Any idea what could be the problem if the readout doesn't start spinning after the write-in did its job? I Have a Rock Ola 442 that has the bow hovering over the left side where the vinyls are and I can make selections but the readout doesn't startup. I wonder if it's because it's in the middle of picking up a vinyl or because something else broken. I checked all the fuses and they are all still in tact.
You're on the right track, it could be partway through it's cycle, (even though it looks like it's all the way over the basket), this means that the switches on the back of the cam (look at the shaft that runs from front to back that the gears are attached to).... those switches go on and off depending on where in the cycle that rod is. The read out can't turn without turning the basket too, so if the cam isn't all the way turned back around where it should be (even slightly off) the switch won't be pressed so the read out/basket can't turn. It could be too bad connections on the switches, or the 'wobble plate' on the read in /read out pin plate. When it selects a pin, it moves the 'wobble plate' inside the selector plate which makes a switch pull in on the top of the plate, that switch is in the power feed that turns on the read out. If you look in a manual (they're all similar) it'll show you where the cam should be at rest position and which switches it should be pushing on the cam.
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for the super fast reply! I think I will have to take apart that gear box and clean it out like you did, because if I try and turn the motor by hand it just jams at some point and the other way around it's the same, it turns and I can see the cogwheels moving but once they hit the inner section where it's supposed to lift up the bow it stops. So I can't get the bow to lift. Love your channel btw!
I've got a 432 and mine is stopping exactly like yours did, but only on one spot. I've tried every location, and only A1/B1 fails. It picks it up and just as it putting it down it clicks and stops. Won't work again until I scan and reset it. Once the record is back in the basket, operate starts to work again. I cleaned the wiper arm with improperly alcohol, but it still fails. My turntable is also spinning at about 41rpm unfortunately. Not sure if it is the motor, the idler wheel or all three, including the turntable working together. Any suggestions? Also can't find any cheapish replacement 28inch Fluorescent bulbs.
That speed problem is usually the motor, but you can oil the shaft and keep laying it, it'll work it's way out and start playing at the correct speed again...... I've never seen it hang on just one record, that's pretty strange... when you turn the machine off, it hangs it up?
I also have a 445 I'm restoring. My problem is I got a new needle with cartridge. The old one was missing and wires frayed off. I'm not sure what wires go to which lugs on the cartridge. Any way you could get me diagram so I can finish mine. Thanks
I have a rockola 456 and am having a rather strange issue. Whenever power is on the selector wheel will not stop turning. It plays and selects songs fine, but I cannot get the wheel to stop turning between songs. Any suggestions or directions I can go? I know nothing of jukeboxes this is all new to me.
I have a question, I have a Rockola 448 and I saw that you sprayed contact cleaner on the selection buttons, so you just spray it down good all over and then leave it dry? My write in wheel won’t go either and I want to get it working again but the other side will spin around the wheel just fine
Hi jo , I really need your help here in the uk , I have done everything you said and the tone arm not going far enough to select the record . Please help , thank you Pam
Look and see if there's a red or yellow push button sticking out on the power supply there are circuit breakers on them. Might have just tripped one of those....
We inherited a Rock-ola 443 from my mother-in-law with all her favorite music. I am excited to get it playing again. What were you using to clean the relays and contacts? Thanks for your videos! You have made this a much less intimidating project for me :)
Hi Taryn! When you clean the contacts you're just trying to get all the dirt off of them basically, you can use anything, like a wet piece of card stock paper (a business card)... or you can even use spray contact cleaner as long as it's labeled non-conductive on the can, they sell some at Lowes and Home Depot. You spray it on and it cleans the contacts without even having to scrub it or anything. You can also check any contact with a multimeter, set it on ohms and put one probe on one side, the other on the other side of the contact and see if the resistance goes down to 0 or close to it (less than 1 ohm).... if it does your contact is conducting electricity well and will work fine. You can absolutely fix it, good luck!
I've always been fascinated by the mechanics rather than the electrics in a jukebox. . I've never been able to figure out how that arm grips the record, rises & then TURNS to place the record down (& vice versa for returning it to the rack). How does it go up & then turn? Please don't say "gears & cogs" - I know it's that, but I still can't work it out.
There is a motor on the bottom that starts turning spokes and wheels. As the spokes on the wheel turn around, the spokes pull the arm towards the turntable, which makes a small piston on one side slip out of the arm, once the arm has pulled far enough back it's gripping the record between the end of the bow and the piston that slipped out of the arm... the spokes on the wheel are designed in such a way that at this exact moment, one of the wheels with spokes on it hits a small piece of metal attached to the other wheel with spokes on it, and the two of them then turn together. As such they lift the arm straight up in the air, in an arc, holding the record. As it continues to turn by having the one wheel mesh with the other wheel through a set of teeth, there are two metal ears on the arm that hit a little tab that a solenoid pulls one way for the A side and another way for the B side. When the arm hits that tab in whichever position it's been put into, it twists the arm, now free of one of the wheels with teeth on it, either to the left or to the right. It's no longer mated with the wheel with teeth on it that was keeping it from moving sideways, so it turns a complete 90 degrees and has the record now approaching parallel with the turntable. As the wheels with teeth on it continue to move, it lays the record farther down towards the turntable, eventually completing it's arc when it gets to the turntable. The wheel with teeth on it then turns a little farther, and the teeth push the record arm away from the basket, allowing the piston inside to slip back within the bow and releasing the grip on the record. To return it all it does the exact opposite and the motor runs backwards from how it ran to lay it down.
@@LyonsArcade OMG. . Like OMG . . I find that to be an absolutely genius piece of mechanical engineering. Forget the records, forget the music . . I could watch it doing that all day. Thanks.
Please can you tell me where did you get the schematics from that are on your computer? I have a 446 and someone can help repair it if they have these. Thanks
When I have the pleasure and I use the term loosely to work on a juke I always clean the shit out of everything re solder everything and bicidy bam furshisin!! Take it to someone that can fix it cause I don’t know crap about jukes.
Joe's Classic Video Games ok I sold Victrola . May it die in hell or I buy it back for less. Question what would a monitor and main board Cost for a space invaders . I only ask because I acquired one in the juke sale slash trade slash three sheets in the wind and he ain’t going to do shirt with it. Now it mine.
Thanks so much for these videos. I just moved with my 1969 444, and she was a little cranky. I have a 444/445 manual, but schematics are a language I'm still learning, so these videos helped me understand them. I even took apart the power relay and cleaned the contacts (without the video I never would have guessed where that was located!!!) and now she works beautifully!
Taking apart the relays and cleaning them fixes all kinds of stuff, everybody thinks they need a new relay but the actual relay is hardly ever bad, just dirty! Glad you got it up and running again!
A friend just got a Rockola 442. Almost everything inside appears the same to yours. ...And his has the same problems. Thanks for putting the 3 video series here. It's a lifesaver.
He should be able to get it going! Thanks for watching...
Going through the cleanup and fixing process of a model from a few years before this. Hugely appreciated.
Glad you're enjoying the videos Ryan, we have a soft spot for these old Jukeboxes, it's a shame there's so many broken ones around! Glad you're getting another one back up on it's feet!
Thank you SO much for showing me the proper way to clean up the arm and internals. My 1967 434 Concerto rocks again!!!
Very cool, yes it's very common, pretty much every single Rock Ola has this issue. Glad you're back up and humming again!
This is great content. I enjoy watching these "technical puzzles" get figured out.
It's pretty fun as long as we actually DO get it figured out :)
Great explanation of the troubleshooting process! And equally amazing explanation of what it took to convert a dime into
Music back then!
Thanks Dan, we appreciate that!
This has been a great help to me working on my 1968 Rockola 437! Almost exactly the same but mine is an 80/160 version like the manual. I got everything working except the Read out is only picking up the A side of the records. It passes over the B side. Thanks again!!!
They mention that in the manual I think... if it keeps passing over that little solenoid isn't pulling in for some reason, the circuit should be pretty small...
Keep the videos coming! We appreciate you!
Thank you Marsene, we'll keep them coming!
This thing is amazing man.
Sure is! I'm working on a 496 right now, love the Rock-olas.
So awesome to see this set of vids! I have a 442 that is doing basically the same thing. I’m very excited to try what you did to my girl going again!
You can get it going Jason, just take your time and read over the manual you'll figure out how it works!
I love watching your videos. Keep them coming, they are very interesting!
Thanks for watching Chris, many more videos coming :)
@@LyonsArcade awesome, I look forward to watching them!
It's the jukebox's "I Quit!" notice. 😆
14:43 that's the same what happened to mine it was a loose screw behind the selection wheel
Almost there, I bet it will play fine after the gripper assembly is serviced.
We'll find out tomorrow :)
Awesome video Joe. You know what you are doing, that's for sure. Got a little problem. Bought a Rock-Ola 460 about a year ago. Got it cleaned up and going. Yesterday moved it from the garage to the house on an appliance carrier and now it won't pickup the record at the end of the song. Going through the relays to see what's up, but can't find anything. Per your video, I will check the relays under the turntable. We really jarred it hard going up the stairs, yikes!
If you press the cancel button on the back will it pick it up? If it will then the arm needs adjusted it’s the screw on the end that allows it to pivot a little bit
@@LyonsArcade Hi Joe. No it won't. I hear the mute relay clicking though, and it will also click when I pick up the tone arm to the reject position.
Definitely something in the relay or one of the switches on the cam. In the manual (any of them) it shows how everything works step by step you’re up to the step where the relay pulls in so it’s either loose or dirty connections or something
@@LyonsArcade Thanks Joe! I am going to go through them one by one now. You're right, something has got to be loose somewhere. Thanks again. I'll let ya know what I find.
How does dynamic braking work? Is this to stop gripper from over extending and jamming motor.
My motor jams?
Depends on where it jams, sometimes the gripper bow will jam because the pin that holds it together sticks slightly out of the piston, when the piston pulls in the pin holds it from going all the way inside the sleeve and the arm will be stuck halfway up in the air...
@@LyonsArcade Thanks. I guess I meant it "stalls" a d I can help it along using my hand. I'm guessing I'm not getting enough power to the motor?
nice work! almost playable :)
Won't be long now :)
Joe I need to know where I can get a copy of a manual with schematics for a 435 rockola princess deluxe. All I can find is a schematic of the Amp, which I have and does work (great sound). I have a manual but not with the wiring diagrams like you show on your videos. My 1.6 A fuse keeps blowing (good thing I have a large supply). Any help you can give would be great.
I have a Capri II and it isn't clearing the selection - when your record drops ~22:50 am I seeing the selection for that record getting cleared (right side of the turn table / solenoid engaging)?
blooooockkkked for being a low iq snark typer
@@LyonsArcade sorry, not sure what that means, did I say something wrong? Edit: Though I see I typed "left" when I should have said "right" - I corrected that mistake.
incredible !here i am 4 years later.... and i have a jukebox... almost working..Where did you get that manual ron? than i can make mine working again. thank you for the entertainment all those years.
still going strong :)
Imagine when these were new! I’ll bet they all needed adjustments going down the assembly line!
Thanks for the great jukebox videos first off, do have a quick question do you know if you can switch out the moveable turn table to one that is not. So on this one you got the 3 tabs that will drop to play a record that has a single hole ( think 45 vs LP) I have a few old Phil Collins 45’s from England and they have the single hole not the big one out 45’s do. I have the rock ola 490 and my turntable is solid not with the drop pens like this one has.
I'm sure it could be swapped over but I've never done that myself... most of the parts interchange between the various models though so I would imagine the turntables would swap, I think the idler wheel and all that is the same under the turntable. Thanks for watching Jeff!
If we wanted to replace components for circuit shortages which we see happening in the far left box, is there a good repair kit you would recommend we order?
Hi Montana; Unfortunately nobody really makes a kit for it, what you have to do is either look in the manual for the part description (it'll say like 10uf 24v electrolytic capacitor), or look at the actual parts, then order them individually from a place like www.Newark.com ... You can still get about everything, if you run into a part like an IC chip that isn't on Newark you can usually find them on ebay. Good luck!
I have a 443, I replaced both gripper and carousel motors and now it keeps blowing the 1.6 mech fuse during write-in sequence. Any ideas? I checked the cam, and both relays. thanks.
Any idea what could be the problem if the readout doesn't start spinning after the write-in did its job? I Have a Rock Ola 442 that has the bow hovering over the left side where the vinyls are and I can make selections but the readout doesn't startup. I wonder if it's because it's in the middle of picking up a vinyl or because something else broken. I checked all the fuses and they are all still in tact.
You're on the right track, it could be partway through it's cycle, (even though it looks like it's all the way over the basket), this means that the switches on the back of the cam (look at the shaft that runs from front to back that the gears are attached to).... those switches go on and off depending on where in the cycle that rod is. The read out can't turn without turning the basket too, so if the cam isn't all the way turned back around where it should be (even slightly off) the switch won't be pressed so the read out/basket can't turn.
It could be too bad connections on the switches, or the 'wobble plate' on the read in /read out pin plate. When it selects a pin, it moves the 'wobble plate' inside the selector plate which makes a switch pull in on the top of the plate, that switch is in the power feed that turns on the read out.
If you look in a manual (they're all similar) it'll show you where the cam should be at rest position and which switches it should be pushing on the cam.
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for the super fast reply! I think I will have to take apart that gear box and clean it out like you did, because if I try and turn the motor by hand it just jams at some point and the other way around it's the same, it turns and I can see the cogwheels moving but once they hit the inner section where it's supposed to lift up the bow it stops. So I can't get the bow to lift. Love your channel btw!
Dankeschön
I've got a 432 and mine is stopping exactly like yours did, but only on one spot. I've tried every location, and only A1/B1 fails. It picks it up and just as it putting it down it clicks and stops. Won't work again until I scan and reset it. Once the record is back in the basket, operate starts to work again. I cleaned the wiper arm with improperly alcohol, but it still fails. My turntable is also spinning at about 41rpm unfortunately. Not sure if it is the motor, the idler wheel or all three, including the turntable working together. Any suggestions? Also can't find any cheapish replacement 28inch Fluorescent bulbs.
That speed problem is usually the motor, but you can oil the shaft and keep laying it, it'll work it's way out and start playing at the correct speed again...... I've never seen it hang on just one record, that's pretty strange... when you turn the machine off, it hangs it up?
@@LyonsArcade I sprayed some contact cleaner on the wiper arm and it works now. I wondering if the motor could be cleaned vs replaced,
I also have a 445 I'm restoring. My problem is I got a new needle with cartridge. The old one was missing and wires frayed off. I'm not sure what wires go to which lugs on the cartridge. Any way you could get me diagram so I can finish mine. Thanks
Skylar I've never replaced a cartridge on one, but check out this post: markmail.org/message/faysy3k26u2zyqet
I have a rockola 456 and am having a rather strange issue. Whenever power is on the selector wheel will not stop turning. It plays and selects songs fine, but I cannot get the wheel to stop turning between songs. Any suggestions or directions I can go? I know nothing of jukeboxes this is all new to me.
I have a question, I have a Rockola 448 and I saw that you sprayed contact cleaner on the selection buttons, so you just spray it down good all over and then leave it dry? My write in wheel won’t go either and I want to get it working again but the other side will spin around the wheel just fine
Hi jo , I really need your help here in the uk , I have done everything you said and the tone arm not going far enough to select the record . Please help , thank you Pam
The magazine locked up now to my 437 Ultra Rockola. It has been working fine.it won’t turn in Operation or Scan mode? Any ideas?
Look and see if there's a red or yellow push button sticking out on the power supply there are circuit breakers on them. Might have just tripped one of those....
Its going too the end almost 😎👍🏼
It's getting there!
We inherited a Rock-ola 443 from my mother-in-law with all her favorite music. I am excited to get it playing again. What were you using to clean the relays and contacts? Thanks for your videos! You have made this a much less intimidating project for me :)
Hi Taryn! When you clean the contacts you're just trying to get all the dirt off of them basically, you can use anything, like a wet piece of card stock paper (a business card)... or you can even use spray contact cleaner as long as it's labeled non-conductive on the can, they sell some at Lowes and Home Depot. You spray it on and it cleans the contacts without even having to scrub it or anything. You can also check any contact with a multimeter, set it on ohms and put one probe on one side, the other on the other side of the contact and see if the resistance goes down to 0 or close to it (less than 1 ohm).... if it does your contact is conducting electricity well and will work fine.
You can absolutely fix it, good luck!
cool!
Thank you Tomy Power!
@@LyonsArcade you're welcome! :)
I've always been fascinated by the mechanics rather than the electrics in a jukebox. . I've never been able to figure out how that arm grips the record, rises & then TURNS to place the record down (& vice versa for returning it to the rack). How does it go up & then turn? Please don't say "gears & cogs" - I know it's that, but I still can't work it out.
There is a motor on the bottom that starts turning spokes and wheels. As the spokes on the wheel turn around, the spokes pull the arm towards the turntable, which makes a small piston on one side slip out of the arm, once the arm has pulled far enough back it's gripping the record between the end of the bow and the piston that slipped out of the arm... the spokes on the wheel are designed in such a way that at this exact moment, one of the wheels with spokes on it hits a small piece of metal attached to the other wheel with spokes on it, and the two of them then turn together. As such they lift the arm straight up in the air, in an arc, holding the record. As it continues to turn by having the one wheel mesh with the other wheel through a set of teeth, there are two metal ears on the arm that hit a little tab that a solenoid pulls one way for the A side and another way for the B side. When the arm hits that tab in whichever position it's been put into, it twists the arm, now free of one of the wheels with teeth on it, either to the left or to the right. It's no longer mated with the wheel with teeth on it that was keeping it from moving sideways, so it turns a complete 90 degrees and has the record now approaching parallel with the turntable. As the wheels with teeth on it continue to move, it lays the record farther down towards the turntable, eventually completing it's arc when it gets to the turntable. The wheel with teeth on it then turns a little farther, and the teeth push the record arm away from the basket, allowing the piston inside to slip back within the bow and releasing the grip on the record. To return it all it does the exact opposite and the motor runs backwards from how it ran to lay it down.
@@LyonsArcade OMG. . Like OMG . . I find that to be an absolutely genius piece of mechanical engineering. Forget the records, forget the music . . I could watch it doing that all day. Thanks.
Dude, that report on your old school scroll mouse needs some 3-1 oil too
my old school scroll mouse doesn't have a report on it.
Please can you tell me where did you get the schematics from that are on your computer? I have a 446 and someone can help repair it if they have these. Thanks
Here you go: dokumen.tips/document/rock-ola-442-443-all-files-combined.html
Joe's Classic Video Games and
I am pretty sure right now Electro mechanical pinball machines are much different to jukebox's back in the day.
There's a lot of similarities, it's all about figuring out what order everything works in :)
My vision blurred when "wobble plate" was repeated over and over and again while the camera was wobbling. lol
You'll get through it ! :)
@@LyonsArcade And I did.
So weird that when something just gets a little bent out of shape it stops the whole works.
They're very well designed but yup one bad connection can screw up everything.
Hii i have hundred records machine but the box is missing
I have a ROCK-OLA #440
I love all the Rock Olas!
had the volume turned down lol
Hey it happens, LOL
Please save. I need someone to fix it
When I have the pleasure and I use the term loosely to work on a juke I always clean the shit out of everything re solder everything and bicidy bam furshisin!! Take it to someone that can fix it cause I don’t know crap about jukes.
Keep watchin man we'll get you fixing them up :)
Joe's Classic Video Games ok I sold Victrola . May it die in hell or I buy it back for less. Question what would a monitor and main board Cost for a space invaders . I only ask because I acquired one in the juke sale slash trade slash three sheets in the wind and he ain’t going to do shirt with it.
Now it mine.
Mic ro switch
Thank you for watching Mr. Carter
It bypasses all this sh-------stuff!
I gotta keep it clean for the Kiddies...
mi rockola 443 se escucha bajito