Can you use a video camcorder to make a cinematic film?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2018
- In this video I answer whether or not I think the JVC HM-170U 4k camcorder would be a camera for creating films and achieving the "film look."
This episode was shot with the
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Camera discussed:
JVC 170U - amzn.to/2zV0S0F
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The film look is a marketing scheme. Tell a wonderful story
Very well explained. Thanks.
Hey, Mr. Turner.... thank you for responding to my question. This was VERRY helpful to me. When I was analyzing camera options, I knew about "the sensor" in a camera being important, but I forgot about how important it is. I saw all of the different controls on the HM 170u and got blown away... forgot all about "the sensor". I, of course bought my HM-170u months ago. I'm going to play around with it, see what all I can do with it. I'm also looking at other options again before I shoot my next 4 feature films including the Cannon M50. Thank you again for taking the time to answer my question, and... you did a great job with my name! Thanks!
johari nichols what’s your thoughts about the m50 for filmmaking?
I'm glad it has been helpful for you, and I'm happy I didn't butcher your name.
G L Hey, how you doin? I was told years ago not to use a DSLR for making a feature film. However, I never experimented with one to find out for sure what the reason is. I think I know why those people said that to me but before I share it publicly I'm going to experiment with one. I am still learning how to use this JVC hm170u. I can tell everyone this: the JVC is difficult when trying to achieve a "film look" outcome... but not impossible. What Mike Turner said is accurate, in that the M50 (DSLR's) have better sensors. But the jury is still out on whether I would risk it for a feature. I'll let everyone know in the months to come.
Have you used a DSLR for extensive videotaping?
johari nichols I’m looking forward for the results!
I believe things like poor autofocus,image stabilization and small batteries and also the price keep people on a distance with DSLRs. I’ve used in the past the canon t3i and I was happy with the outcome,but maybe it’s time for an upgrade to m50 😋
Well, it depends what you're shooting. Like Mike said, if you're shooting weddings or maybe a small music video, then the t3i might still work for you. The M50 isn't bad for those things based off of what I'm learning so far. I am definitely not against DSLR's. I'd like to hear what Mike Turner would say about those two types of DSLRs.
Thanks you know a lot about cameras keep up the good work.
Thanks!
I own the JVC GY-HM170 and after changing the settings and using an external monitor. I got the best quality I could squeeze out of this camera. One of the key factors of achieving the best quality is lighting and illumination. Along with the best settings depending on the project being captured.
This camera definitely needs light more than some others, but i guess they all do to achieve the best results. I agree though, if you take time to light and tinker with the settings, it is impressive for the money. There is so much to tweak.
I've inherited this camera for a church setting with stage lighting.....Can you share any particular settings that you found good results with?
Thanks for answering my question and I do use sliders and jobs im just looking for a new camera and I didn't like the Canon R so what do you think about the fz2000
What kind of things are you shooting? And what's your budget?
I've been thinking about the same thing but with the jvc Ls300 what do you think about that one for the cinematic look
I've owned the JVC Ls300 for over a year now. I've shot a few commercials with it and a whole lot of weddings. I feel the film look is possible. Also i forgot to mention the film look is also achieved with fluid motion. Slider, dolly and jib shots. It isn't totally dependent on the camera. But a good camera with a sensor larger than 1/2" doesn't hurt:)
I am looking at this for talking head podcasting. I will be controlling the light most certainly. Product reviews and such. I need also a complete package. I am using a DSLR but I need a more video centric and cinema is not what I am doing. I am aware of the small sensor. But good video on how not to use the JVC GY-HM170UA.
Thanks for checking it out! If it were me , I would save a little money and buy a used jvc ls300. It's miles above the 170u
Hi. Great review. I'm dealing with all the problems that you said but for me at least, it gets the job done after some touchs in camera and in the edit suite, FCP 7 in my case. I use it for events and we are testing it for films. I know that sdf is harder to get but i do like the cinema subdued color and the matrix paint wb. I am sharing 2 links of looks that we are testing. Always towards the greenish look. Hope you like them. Best regards
Thanks for the comment. I don't see the links. Did you send them? I would really like to see what you are doing.
@@MichaelWTurner i share it again to see if it appears. Anyway put diegocba1 and jvc gy-hm170 and you'll see 2 video tessts th-cam.com/video/aWwRv0ll_Js/w-d-xo.html
@@diegocba1 Got it. Looks really good! I remember the camera having a really nice picture, but I forgot how nice it really is. And you can tweak the colors, contrast and sharpening so much right in camera. I wish it JVC would make an upgraded version with better stabilization and low light performance that is under $2000. I would definitely buy it. MAybe under 1800, I'm cheap :)
@@MichaelWTurner Thanks. That's right. They are the 2 main problems the camera has. Another nice feature in the upgrade would be to add the J-LOG flat profile for later post processing. Some guys are imitating it with the gamma settings and the wdr in camera. They say that the low light behaviour is 4 times better and without gain, no grain. If i discover some setting loke that i'll post it. Thanks for all you videos and input Michael. Best regards
If you shoot video with any camera in AUTO FOCUS, Dept Of Field is limited.. Try MANUAL FOCUS, You have more control of Dept Of Field.. You are in control of the focus point.. Learn to master your settings, you will get more out of your camera.. It's like a lot of people can Cook, But not many are Great cooks.. Photographer and Videographer for Over 20+ years
Would you recommend the blackmagic pocket cinema camera for recording music video? Another question, if you don’t recommend or even if you do, what other camera would you recommend for shooting music videos.
That's really hard for me to say because I don't shoot music videos and I have never shot one. However that won't stop me from having an opinion. I would say that it would be good for it, but you will need to have a battery solution in place because the battery life on all of them is extremely poor, and you would probably need an external monitor too since you can't move the screen around. Other than that, there is an excellent menu system that makes things fast and easy, excellent image quality, and pro-res files which make editing easier. It's certainly not a bad camera. At the same time you could shoot a music video with any other good cinema camera or good mirrorless camera like a gh5. Gh5 would be pretty good because of the 10-bit internal recording, better battery life, and flip screen. That's if you don't care to use an external monitor. Check out YCIMAGING youtube channel. He shoots music videos.
Michael Turner Ohkay man, thank you so much for that info! Does the gh5 shoot in really high quality? Like Iv seen some music videos shot with the bmpcc 4K and it looks so rich I love the look lol
The gh5-s has better image than quality but the gh5 is still really good too from what I've seen. I'm sure if you do a search you will find music videos shot on both. At the end of the day, it's all about the lenses and lighting. Most modern cameras can produce really good images
I just got a Panasonic G95 bro so far I’m liking it
What canon are you using for this video? Amazing shot and picture
I got my answer, Thank you for info
Thanks! Canon m50 with 15-45mm kit lens.
Michael Turner Thank you Sir
what camera would you recommend for wild life videography?
Panasonic Fz2500. There's maybe 1 or 2 videos about it on my channel
what camara u recommend me to do live stream on fb and band 🎵 video clip!?
Consider your phone only because it is the easiest for live streaming. Other than that the canon m50 markii, allows you to stream directly from the camera, you can also shoot in vertical mode for IG and FB and of course when not streaming, it is a pretty decent camera
great video on the JVC 170U! Like you, I've sort of had a love/hate relationship with the camera. It indeed does have its limits in low light etc and everything that you mentioned. I shoot mostly live concerts and audition videos for high school musicians. The limited dynamic range is my biggest problem with the camera. Bright stage lights on white shirts against dark shadows....big problem. I got so frustrated that I ended up buying a GH5 and and Blackmagic PCC4K. But I still have not given up on the JVC and use it mostly for my wide safety cam wideshot at the back of the hall. A few times when I made really big errors in exposure and focus with the GH5 and the Blackmagic (those cameras are really great but if you don't know what you're doing they will amplify your errors big time...need to really know your stuff with those) the jvc has come through and saved the day for me. @joharinichols, what I found was a big help was that another youtube shooter really went deep into the menus and tweaked out the camera to make a really flat pseudo-log color profile that maximizes the dynamic range and color. With a lot of color grading, I have been able to mix in the footage of the jvc with footage from GH5 and Blackmagic and it has been able to hold its own if you use it just right. Here's the link to the video with the great settings:
th-cam.com/video/vugWVhk3Slw/w-d-xo.html
hope this helps
Thanks for sharing. I was close to buying both cameras you mentioned, but haven't. I've been experimenting with the sony a6400 and really like it, and also the sony nx80 and the canon xf400. The nx80 is pretty good, but loving the xf400. Thanks for sharing the link too
What would be the difference between the Sony z90 and the Jvc cam
For starters the sony has 1 inch sensor as opposed to the 1/2" in the JVC. It also has a better image processor, so it has better overall image quality and low light performance. It also has better autofocus. I believe it also comes with more than 1 log mode for color correction. It also has the clear image zoom feature for extended zoom with no loss in image quality. And it has live streaming. To get live streaming on the jvc, you would need to step up to the hm200. Those are some that i think of off the top 😀
@@MichaelWTurner thanks I still have to decide
not sure yet
This response is 3 years in the making :-) I appreciate everyone's responses to my question. G L Pro, Mike, StuCameraman1.... The JVC 170u can be used to make a "cinematic" looking movie... it can. The problem with that camera... It Is Horrible in low-light situations. That's the main negative with that cam.
You only want to use a DSLR cam for filmmaking, if you have no other options. It's ok under those circumstances. Just remember, the DSLR was intended to replace the old Kodak, Fuji "still photography" film cameras we used to use in the 80's. The DSLR was not intended for continuous filming. That's why overheating and audio are challenges with those. One other thing to mention, very important. Film Look, is in the eye of the beholder these days. If you were born in the past 21 years, a great film look is what us older ones call, great high def look. To us older ones, a "film look", is something that looks close to 16 or 35mm film. Thank you to everyone who took an interest in my question 3 years ago.
In my experience the single biggest contributor to the "film look" is actually framerate and shutter speed. Locking in on a 24fps with a 1/48th shutter speed that goes a long way to achieving it, but of course depth of field is also really important.
Thank
God you said this 3 months ago. Cause I needed it now
Fran rates is the least of the problems for film look it’s aperture and the camera
@@dantedlane2 its all of them combined
Well from what i see the fz2000 is a cinema camera only thing I don't like is no lens selection and d.o.f
The fz2000 is technically what they call a "bridge camera," but from what i can tell it's a really nice option
Almost any camera can be used to film cinematic images you just need to know how to use them. I started with actual 16mm and super8 film, when I transferred to digital I had to relearn how to shoot as opposed to film. I eventually was able to achieve shallow depth of field on those smaller chips and even rack focuses. It just takes patience and practice!!
100%
I want to see Hc X 1500 panasonic
I haven't had the opportunity to play with it, but I was obsessed with it when it first came out. I read a ton of reviews but too many negative, so I lost interest
the famous "bokeh" "essential for any filmmakers" it's just bullshit; just watch 60's movies like Blow Up, La notte or even Eyes Wide Shut, or some Terry Gilliam movies are shot nearly zero bokeh, it's mostly wide angle, Bokeh is just some cliché thing that wannabe filmmakers use, never forget that Festen was shot with a Camcorder and is still one of the greatest masterpiece ever made, and same for 28 days later, so if this camera can do manual stuff, if you have good lighting, a good script and great actors you can shot with anything even Iphone if you like.
It isn't essential at all. I know for my wedding films, I like having little shallow depth of field here and there. I think it makes things look dreamy for lack of better words. Certainly not necessary though.
th-cam.com/video/x5k67oxYdZ4/w-d-xo.html THANKYOU FOR THE ADVICE , WHAT CAMERA WITH YOU RECOMEND
Kinda depends on what you are using it for and your budget
@@MichaelWTurner FOR FILMING SHORT FILMS AND MUSIC VIDEOS, ANY RECOMENDATIONS?
@@YOVATAPA what's your budget?
@@MichaelWTurner under 1000
@@YOVATAPA You can a used panasonic gh4 for around 500 bucks these days. And that leaves room for a couple of inexpensive prime lenses. Pretty good camera for 500 in my opinion.
Great video. Not sure why so many dislikes. Maybe some fascists. Keep up the good work. Congrats.
Thank you!
@@MichaelWTurner It's all good. Your camerawork and lighting (and sound) are good enough for movies. Make one and I'll see you grooving.
"Lawrence of Arabia"...NOT shot in 4K. Food for thought for any aspiring filmmakers.
99% of the audience don't care about 4K because 99% of the audience don't even know what 4K is. All they know is what the story being told is.
Absolutely
It's a racist movie bro. Secondly, you're on the Internet, would not have been capable back then.
If you can`t get it then you need to look into your POST skills which a lot of people suck in