Personal boundaries & autism - can it work?

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  • Sometimes setting boundaries backfires, so what strategies can we employ to give us the best chance of success in our relationships?
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  • @LunarBoo
    @LunarBoo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    The first part does feel way too real though...
    I never learned to set boundaries. Every little thing that hurt me or made me uncomfortable was met with an "you can't expect everyone to appeal to your needs".
    And it will haunt me forever. I just hope it will eventually go better.

  • @rozarah
    @rozarah 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    I ask myself "what would I do/say if someone I care about was in the situation" and take my own advice to deal with it. Gets easier with practice.

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      🧡 I love this! That's a great tip. But what about when folks say we have no empathy? 😂

  • @Visible.Friend
    @Visible.Friend 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Mike, it cracked me up
    you had to sit thru
    that lengthy talk
    about "time" hehe
    Your portion of the talk,
    that was amazing!
    Did you see how his body language
    changed when you said something
    he didn't like?
    He put his giant legs
    apart taking up space.
    He crossed his arms fully
    to hid behind.
    He jutted his chin out & lower lip
    pouting like a toddler.
    You held your own.
    Like the confidence
    needed when you encounter
    an upset dog off a leash that threatens.
    Your calm speaks volumes.
    Plus, your joke with your colleague
    in her 50s was well received.
    Thanks for another great video, Lee

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Very observant of you! No, I didn't notice much at the time. My mind was fully on the arguments!

    • @Visible.Friend
      @Visible.Friend 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Autistic_AF Mike, you did a great job. I'm so proud of you!

  • @Brainalicious
    @Brainalicious 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Mike, I like your creative solution of attaching the popper to the door!

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you! Cheers! It was with sellotape across the doorframe and door. It honestly worked a treat! -Mike

  • @General_Otter
    @General_Otter 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I clicked this video because I got a notification

    • @dancecommando
      @dancecommando 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Same

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The stimmy notification bell plushie worked!

  • @Darkill13
    @Darkill13 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This is super helpful! Although what's driving me insane right now is trying to learn how to do this on multiple fronts (family, housing, work) while being stuck in survival mode 😩

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I understand that survival mode - and on multiple simultaneous fronts it's a challenge. I hope things improve for you.

    • @Darkill13
      @Darkill13 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Autistic_AF thank you :)

  • @fussyfissy
    @fussyfissy 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Dude watching you on the panel was inspiring as hell - thank you for all you do!

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Aww you’re so kind! 😊

  • @Cal760
    @Cal760 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    It is crazy how people say that it seems they have to be always making ajdusments for autistic people but I have spent all my life as the sentence said “making neurotipicals happy”, and thinking I am the one who “is wrong”. How can someone be wrong abt themselfs? I am just recovering from a terrible experience this weekend where I overworked (literally 24h straight) and was still told why I was leaving (it ends up a family member of mine was in the hospital) I had just a deep meltdown - u had spent the day pushing over boundaries to give my time as a volunteer to help the community.

  • @DWSP101
    @DWSP101 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Very heavy topic because most people struggle with boundaries being on the receiving end and giving end final

  • @TheWilliamHoganExperience
    @TheWilliamHoganExperience 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    How's this for a boundary? "I will not interact with any person or group that uses coercion to gain my obedience"
    3:00 withholding food as punishment is against the Geneva convention, and is considered a war crime / crime against humanity. If you were subjected to it as a child (I was) make no mistake: You were abused. Even if your mother relented. The threat of withholding food is a existential threat to a dependent child or prisoner. It uses fear of hunger / starvation as a coercive tactic to gain obedience. It's a death threat no different than mock execution in it's intent. It's meant intimidate and subjugate:
    "Withholding food, as a means of warfare, is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions.
    Article 23 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV states: “The Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to avoid, and shall be prohibited from ordering that there be, any employment of methods or means of warfare which may cause unnecessary suffering or which may be deemed to be unjustifiable, hence inhuman.”
    Protocol I of the 1977 Geneva Conventions further clarifies that “the use of starvation as a method of warfare is prohibited.” This protocol also prohibits the destruction of food stocks or the interruption of food supply lines, which can lead to starvation.
    The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has also emphasized that withholding food is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. The ICRC has stated that “the prohibition on using starvation as a method of warfare is a fundamental principle of international humanitarian law.”
    Examples of Withholding Food as a Violation of the Geneva Convention
    The 2005 UN report on the situation in Iraq, which accused US troops of starving Iraqi civilians, is an example of withholding food as a violation of the Geneva Convention.
    The use of economic sanctions, which can lead to food shortages and starvation, is also considered a violation of the Geneva Convention.
    Conclusion
    Withholding food is a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law. It is prohibited under the 1949 Geneva Convention IV and the 1977 Geneva Conventions, and is considered a grave breach of the law. The International Committee of the Red Cross and other organizations have emphasized the importance of respecting the prohibition on withholding food as a means of warfare"
    It's beyond the pale, and should NEVER be used - even in war - much less as a "common" child rearing / disciplinary method.
    Thanks for posting this content. Interpersonal boundaries (Rules) and their establishment, communication, and enforcement are critical aspects of all relationships, familial, interpersonal, employment, or romantic. Coercion and threats have no place in them, yet coercion and threats are all too common as you pointed out with the abusive parenting tactic of withholding food from children. I've come to believe that one of the biggest problems neurotypical people have with autistic and ADHD nuerotypes is our inability to conform to social expectations. This is generally framed as "disobedience" in children. It's consequences are child abuse, exploitation, and trauma, once again proving that autism isn't the problem - neurotypical dominance, bullying, and abuse attempting to enforce unilateral conformity are.
    It needs to stop. Until it does, autistic people are best served by avoiding interacting with such abusive people. Withdrawing from social interactions with monsters isn't pathological. It's a way of establishing autonomy by enforcing the rule that:
    "I will not interact with any person or group that uses coercion to gain my obedience"

  • @dancecommando
    @dancecommando 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Wow, that was a hard crowd to work with, what a twonk. You kept very calm (on the outside!)

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Aww, thank you! Yeah, it's hard and I don't enjoy looking back and watching myself. I look and sound weird! 😱

    • @dancecommando
      @dancecommando 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Autistic_AF One man's weird is another Anne's cool 🤙

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@dancecommando I'm thankful for that!

    • @coreycox2345
      @coreycox2345 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Autistic_AF, I thought you handled it well. It's too bad the room wasn't equipped with an ejection seat to disarm disingenuous, negative people like that.

    • @coreycox2345
      @coreycox2345 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Autistic_AF That Elvis joke was a stroke of genius.

  • @AshleyReneeVlog
    @AshleyReneeVlog 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You had the best seating backdrop for that panel discussion…smack in the middle of the sun like your points we’re going to be on fire 😂

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you, Ashley! Hahaha I hadn't thought about that! -Mike

  • @reneedevry4361
    @reneedevry4361 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thank you as there was lots of great information, suggestions and examples here.
    Sadly the "Wait" option does not work for me. I have had many situations where I have tried this but it takes me so long to becme calm about it that the issue is past in all other eyes.
    Example. A neighbour who cut down 40 trees on my property because the leaves were falling on their parking lot every Fall "making for slippery conditions when wet". I was taking a 3 day vacation. 4 months later, I was still unable to think about this event without immediately thinking violent thoughts. By the time I was able to think calmly and talk rationally about the murder of my 40 trees and all the life that lived there, everyone else had forgotten those trees existed.
    Overall great tips❤️👍

    • @lilynorthover8378
      @lilynorthover8378 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh, that is terrible. I don't think I could be rational about that. My heart bleeds for you.😢

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That’s awful. Can you replant at all? 🌳 🌴

    • @reneedevry4361
      @reneedevry4361 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Autistic_AF thank you for your kindness but that example was from the 90's. I no longer own any land to replant.❤️

  • @BlueRoseHelen252
    @BlueRoseHelen252 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I don't know how you got through that speech but all I can say is well done, my brain would have switched off. 😂 I have set a lot of extra boundaries this last 3 years. Definitely a valuable tool. 😊

  • @Elvenroyale
    @Elvenroyale 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can’t believe only one person seemed to enjoy your Elvis comment! 😅 Good tension breaker, Mike!

  • @AutisticlyRose
    @AutisticlyRose 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Well, coming home to this video after spending 4 days in hospital coming to terms with the fact that I need to set and enforce some very specific boundaries with my maternal unit seems a bit serendipitous! I'm going to take the rest of today to reassure my dog I'm not going anywhere and I figure out how to work everything so I hopefully don't get cut off in the backlash. I do know thats a possibility though, and I'm emotionally as ready as I can be for it.

  • @SweetiePieTweety
    @SweetiePieTweety 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Love your perspectives and your initiative and willingness to put yourself up front on stage for that panel!
    You were endearing, we are so hyper-critical of ourselves. Pointing out and acknowledging your autistic traits would be helpful for those who do not recognize them and factor their necessity and relevance to bringing yourself to the event to contribute. Well done!
    Great video !!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Aww, thank you! It feels strange watching yourself, yet alone annotating a video... you just don't know how it will be received! I'm glad you think it's helpful -- me too, hopefully! -M 🧡

  • @MrDangerJonsson
    @MrDangerJonsson 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This helps me immensely, can you do one on dealing with narcissists?

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In a way, this video was written about NPD/Narcissists, as their traits tend to push boundaries. But yes, I certainly will, thank you for the suggestion. It's on the list!

  • @brandon_air
    @brandon_air 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Trying to balance boundaries with food police who may be dealing with senior issues under own work & financial struggles, trying to enjoy meals and time with them

  • @SmackedyDoo
    @SmackedyDoo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Just a note: it is difficult to read white text on a whitish background (referencing 1:22)

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You're absolutely right! The rest of the text on the video is much easier to read. -Mike

  • @stephaniealexandra5142
    @stephaniealexandra5142 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    An excellent video, I can't hear enough about this subject as I am constantly struggling with setting up boundaries or realising that I'm being taken advantage of.

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hi Stephanie, that’s part of the problem… realising that the other person is so far beyond the original boundary line that it becomes much harder (or impossible) to reinforce.

  • @General_Otter
    @General_Otter 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Yey I love Johny English XD
    Nice clip

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Me too. The James Bond we deserve.

  • @Rick.Sanchez
    @Rick.Sanchez 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    had the SAS video on my front page a day or to agao lol.
    the algorithm works in mysterious ways

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oooo, I didn't see a video - it was an article from "Forces News" that I was reading. Interesting how TH-cam links up these things!

  • @fredflintstone904
    @fredflintstone904 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This video comes at an opportune time for me. I'm on a jury for a serious crime and I need to remain calm and constructive with some others who are emotional when they need a little more rationality. Also I'm (far too late) giving up on my current relationship with the company that sells my products and have to find new relationships and/or products. I've been being taken advantage of for years without proper compensation and I just need to move on. It's not natural for me to actively navigate my life :)

    • @SweetiePieTweety
      @SweetiePieTweety 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jury for Karen Read? 🤷‍♀️. Hope not…. It’s been brutal for the jury to endure from what I can discern. I would be dying due to space and privacy and sensory challenges with jury duty. Good luck to you on all fronts. Mike is great and calming.

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oh dear! You’ve got this. People like us are needed on juries too. Maybe consider telling the staff you need certain accommodations. There’s a high chance that they’ll oblige. -Mike

  • @claiomhdubh
    @claiomhdubh 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I rely on someone for support/survival, someone who is aggressively NPD. I'm not allowed to have boundaries of any kind. Because if I try to develop some, I get evicted. It happens every few years, and it's like she hits a reset button on my life every time. But no one else can help, or is willing to, so I'm stuck with her. I'm 43 years old, and have basically given up pushing back at this point.
    It's been dawning on me that this is defo a major factor in why I have issues with setting boundaries, building self-worth/confidence, not to mention my self-destructive penchant for fawning behavior. I want to feel hopeful for the future, but there's no way to get clear of this without alternative support structures, and where I live there are none. Might sound absurd, but I'll take living with an abusive narcissist to sleeping outside with the mosquitos any day. I know from experience that the homelessness is worse, and far more traumatic.
    Is why I refer to my living situation as a gilded cage. It seems really fancy from the outside looking in. I get shelter/food, and don't have to hold a job (as long as I OBEY). The only price I pay for this "luxurious" lifestyle is: my autonomy, my personhood, my ability to make choices/set boundaries, my ability to regulate my own moods, my sanity, my physical/mental health, and very likely a shortened lifespan.
    Not exactly an equitable exchange, but it's not like I have any other options if I want to keep breathing.

    • @claiomhdubh
      @claiomhdubh 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Apologies for the trauma dump. Vids like this are informative and validating, and I appreciate them greatly, but they can trigger a rush of emotions sometimes.
      Granted, I could just delete the comment, but I think it'll be helpful to have a reminder of my shameful behavior. With luck the embarrassment will stay my hand next time. 😑

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I hope things improve for you, and you find a way out if that’s what you want. 🧡

    • @claiomhdubh
      @claiomhdubh 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Autistic_AF Well not for lack of trying, but it's hard to plan ahead when locked in a cycle (am and will continue to try tho).
      For what it's worth, I appreciate the kind words of support. Thank you. It means a lot. :)

  • @AuditingWithAutism
    @AuditingWithAutism 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I enjoyed watching this video. Did that sound like too much fawning? I'll never know. Oh well, the truth is I simply enjoyed watching this video.

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fawning by way of appeasement, I don't think so!, I think it's just a nice comment! Thank you :) M

    • @AuditingWithAutism
      @AuditingWithAutism 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LOL. Appeasement. Nothing agains peas, but I'm more of a spearmint kind of person.

  • @E.Pierro.Artist
    @E.Pierro.Artist 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    nucleus accumbens: "noo•klee•us uh•come•Ben's"
    Also, 9PM is always at night.
    Also: climate change. That is all.

  • @SloweddieSpaghetti
    @SloweddieSpaghetti 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Felt you on the panel mate, like a mirror of myself (alas, less articulate). Offtopic (sort of): Are you familiar with the 36 Chinese Strategemes?

  • @misspatvandriverlady7555
    @misspatvandriverlady7555 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve been saying for a while that housing is the biggest way bullies manipulate vulnerable people. I lived with controlling manipulators until I was 32 to be housed (and, towards the end, so my child would also be housed and cared for).

  • @chrismaxwell1624
    @chrismaxwell1624 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My brother the transformer for an electric train set. He soldered tow wires to metal coat have and attached the wires to the transformer. So he would go into his room put the coat on on the metal door knob then flipped the switch on the transformer. Anyone touching the door handle got good shock. That never stopped our father but it did impress him after the shock kicking door frame out the wall. My brother good less in framing a door and drywall work after that.

  • @chrismaxwell1624
    @chrismaxwell1624 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    biggest problem with communicating boundaries the communication problem. I can be very clear in my communication yet others don't receive it clearly but think they do only they get it wrong. Then I take their actions as communication wrongly too as in my mind I told them clearly.

  • @dancecommando
    @dancecommando 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    ALAB!

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I had a feeling you'd say that!

    • @General_Otter
      @General_Otter 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Asigned landlord at birth

    • @dancecommando
      @dancecommando 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@General_Otter Like the monarchy!
      It's All Landlords Are.... But yours is just as funny 😂

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@General_Otter That's actually quite true, honestly.

  • @sixthsenseamelia4695
    @sixthsenseamelia4695 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ✌🏼🙋🏻‍♀️

  • @lauraburystedmundsyoga8231
    @lauraburystedmundsyoga8231 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We're holding a Climate & Nature hustings tomorrow evening - I hope I have as much patience as you did if we get deniers coming!!

  • @mikko.g
    @mikko.g 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😀

  • @ray-without-organs
    @ray-without-organs วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:11 this scared the fuck out of me lol! what did that say?

  • @user-sx9lb1uv5m
    @user-sx9lb1uv5m 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very difficult subject to unpack! Surprised 😮 I’ve only run into scientists typically who have read Shubin books. Did you read the other two? Behavior biology ecoevo bio, epigenetics :) epistem :) take care Mike have a fabulous Sunday :

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Just, ‘Your Inner Fish’ :) what are the other books like? Have you read them? 🧡

    • @user-sx9lb1uv5m
      @user-sx9lb1uv5m 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Autistic_AF yes I have read all three :) I especially liked the last one some assembly required and also loved the universe within. I’m currently studying evo-Eco biology. That book is much more difficult as it’s an actual textbook on the subject by Carl Bergstrom and Lee Dugatkin called evolution.

  • @Mental_Health_Gym
    @Mental_Health_Gym 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Off topic, but... What shoes are you wearing in that climate change clip? I can tell they're New Balance, but do you remember which specific style? They look way more comfortable than the ones I have.

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      New Balance… can’t recall the model number, sorry!

    • @Autistic_AF
      @Autistic_AF  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      860v?

    • @Mental_Health_Gym
      @Mental_Health_Gym 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think I found them. Thanks!

  • @theJellyjoker
    @theJellyjoker 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am a PERSON with autism.

  • @wesbeuning1733
    @wesbeuning1733 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People just don't like to respect others personal boundaries.