It was so refreshing to listen to an intelligent college student asking good questions, making good points, without defaulting to vulgarity and insults. The vast majority of atheists that I encounter in street ministry engage with their "Gotcha" question, and after it is answered and they are challenged with a question - the vulgar language, insults and screaming begin.
On the other hand Christians just calmly respond with intellectual dishonesty. Guys like Cliffe like to go to college campuses and prey on and philosophically engage with unsuspecting college students that are still trying to find their way (philosophically speaking). But put him up against an educated atheist and things don't play out so well in his favor, as demonstrated in this debate... th-cam.com/video/fbsZnHdeoTo/w-d-xo.html
@@josephrohland5604 God bless you.😇 Maybe you should read the bible instead of using the internet to make your ignorant claims. Keep your brainwashing away from me!!! Wicked you are
Christmas is pagan,, devil worship, giveing credid.to the prince.of.darkness, those.who do this.will be put.to death.at.Gods. hand,.jeremiah, cha 10v3 -4 plus you are lieing to your children,,,'santa ,= satan,, interesting, God.is.not.one to be.mocked,,, beleive me,
False, that doesn't give you any real meaning. It's like a hammer who decides that it's meaning is being next to a Tv watching football, and sometimes start to hit the floor in order to disturb neighbors... that, could the hammer thinks "It's my meaning" but in the end of the day it is not its real meaning... and even more, if the real meaning would not exist and the hammer decides to live that way... yet it would give not any meaning to the hammer, just something to do in the meantime, but not meaning.
when it comes to the translation and handing down issue, and how we know that the new testament we have is the one that was originally written, it comes down manuscripts. the more manuscripts a historical document has, the better historians are informed about how accurately it is translated, and no historical document, and I repeat, no historical document, has more manuscripts than the Bible...take that to the bank
Gotta give credit when it's due. It seemed he began to become more open minded and understandable as the conversation went on, which is always great to see. Lets hope Cliffe just planted a seed and with time it grows!
Where he is witnessing is a Prog area. The good news is, there are many little churches on Campus. In Dorms, rooms, offices, buildings in or near campus. Sadly, most of the long time established churches, traditional buildings, are apostate.
As you know, where you live, there is a desperate need for a Nation wide Revival. Similar to a John Wesley who rode 250,000 miles. He preached over 40,000 sermons! Though not a doctor of medicine, John Wesley invented many cures for diseases he had, wrote a book on medicinal cures for the masses, and started clinics for the poor. England is in a downward spiral. Being invaded, like several European Countries by Islam. May God wake up the asleep English people, and the Dead Church there.
I subscribe to wretched channel where Todd Friel does the same thing .. Unfortunately they blocked the comment section in their every single videos... I'm glad I can comment here to say ... God is good all the time. :)
I'm a catholic, and at times I find it difficult to argue with non-christians about God or Jesus Christ in a logical way. But he does a brilliant job in trying to make it logical and reasonable
Calculating the amount of variants/mistakes in the manuscripts, as Pastor Cliffe was talking to this young man. I erred on the side of 400,000 variants in 25,000 manuscripts…16 mistakes per variant. Can university students be more accurate than that in their essays? 🤔 Case in point: we have a son who’s a college senior; he constantly asks for help with proofreading his essays. 😂😂😂
blaby4ever yeah that too. Sometimes cliffe goes to easy on these kids lol. It would be rather easy to tear apart 90% of the arguments brought up by alot of these students
Jacob Leaver you know and its funny cause most of these students bring up the same cycle of questions. Why is the bible reliable after all these transactions, Why is christianity the only way instead of other religions etc. These kids never do their own curious research
Forgive me I’m confused. What’s amazing about 16ish variants per manuscript? Wouldn’t amazing be little to no variants? Or are they all massive manuscripts?
bruh... i wanted to headbutt a wall when the guy asked. What if they just read the manuscripts and wrote down what the manuscripts said? like dude....that is how someone writes down what something else says....
You can study the facts about this topic for 15 years, then hear from a scholar facts you didn't have before. The gist that changes scholars from atheist to believer is actually being able to check the evidence and find that with copyist error, or attempted corrections, the facts and the precepts of Christs teachings are not affected by so called discrepancy, contradiction, or little gaps or omissions. The multitude say the same thing. That's why non canonical books are excluded from the Canon. That's also sent scholars to search for writing by non believers, about Christ, and they find it. I learned the other day, that the word "Christian" was first recorded as the saying of Nero Caesar. The Essenes who hid the oldest scrolls were the "Sons of light". I've never learned that in perochial school or by going to church or bible study. There's so many facts people don't have unless they go search for what is known and what's being found by archaeologists and scholars.
The kid makes an excellent point at about 14 minutes that there are phrases in the Greek language that have no English equivalent, when William Tyndale translated the Greek manuscripts into English, he had to come up with his own phrases which he thought closely matched the original Greek, so it can't be an exact translation from the original. The question I'd have to ask is, could God have inspired a book which was impossible to take out of context and be used to commit horrific acts in Gods name, such as "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ... how does one go about determining whether someone is a witch or not? ... in medieval times, women would be tortured to extract a confession out of them, and then they'd be either burnt alive, or hung. Why don't we torture women today for witchcraft?
Because witchcraft is just as fake as their religion. Contradictory information within their propaganda can enable them to be either peaceful cultists, or zealots bearing swords.
So it’s not entirely fair to comment this since it’s hard enough as it is to do in the moment but Cliff kinda missed a nice moment to build some conviction in this young man. The moment he asked “well how do you know this is true?” Cliff should have told him: Look we’ve gone over about 8 questions/concerns you have, at what point will it be good enough for you to admit that Jesus is the Truth? How many more answers do you need to wash away your doubts? Basically what’s the X amount of evidence you need to submit that it’s true? I think that really would’ve forced him to stop his cynicism and actually come to a decision or at the very least force him to stop making excuses. It would’ve strongly forced him to heavily consider the facts he’s been presented with.
@@josephrohland5604 oh if that was your point…then you seriously have something inwardly wrong with you. John 10:16 - “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” Repent dude. Simple as that.
@@josephrohland5604 I don’t see how you can misconstrue that to mean only Jews. I mean even in your own explanation “I.e. Greeks CONVERTS” admits that it applies to everyone. You can’t be a convert if you are already Jewish. You tried again with Matthew 19:28 but if you literally read the next verse it says “EVERYONE etc…will have eternal life” what version of the Bible are you are you reading to make your argument? Seriously, which one because the NIV, KJV, NSB, ESV, NLT to name a few all affirm what I’m saying here. Also since you seem to like Matthew 15 if you keep reading from what you quoted Jesus literally heals the woman and exalts her for her faith. I’m genuinely interested in how you are coming to these conclusions. I’ve literally never heard anyone make the arguments you’re making here. Even Hasidic Jews, Skeptics, and Atheists don’t correlate what you’ve said here. Did you come up with this on your own? If so I would advise to go back and read the whole chapters you’re quoting from. Did you get this idea from somebody else? If so I think you might be misrepresenting what they’ve said and I’d like to know who so I can hear for myself
@@josephrohland5604 Again sir, you’re not thinking plainly about the chapter (not even whole chapter it’s just a paragraph which makes it worse) He says “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs. Then she says “yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs from their masters’ table.” In this analogy who’s the dog? The Canaanite woman (which you pointed out already so castigating), Who’s the Master? Jesus(I’m sure you abhor that part too). What does the Master have? Bread for his children. Who are his children? The house of Israel (which I’m sure you agree since it’s the point you’re making) Who also gets some of that bread, that precious bread, even if it’s just crumbs, that Jesus was sent to give? THE DOGS. It applies to even us dogs. Look dude, you have not given a good argument to back up your claim. But you have clearly expressed your distaste for Jesus. I’ll check out that TH-camr you mentioned in hopes that maybe he at least makes a better argument. But seriously man, you gotta put that ego and hate aside and just read the text plainly and normally. This really feels like you’re having to do mental gymnastics to come to the conclusions you’ve come to.
@@josephrohland5604 And guess who can’t focus on anything else other then the dog part and who can’t put his pride aside to be honest about the analogy being made in order to save someone. I’ll be praying for you friend.
What gives a life meaning,when God pulls you out of thr world and reveals Himself to you. And opens your eyes and ears and spirit to the secret things pertaining to Him.There is no greater feeling under heaven then to be in God perfect will. To watch His power is amazing,and see His will performed before your very eyes.to witness first hand His move on things,and his plan unroll like a scroll. ITS HEAVEN ON EARTH.WHEN YOU WALK IN HIS WILL,ITS LIKE WALKING IN THE CLOUDSAND HAVING THAT PEACE THAT SURPASSES UNDERSTANDING..WHEN HE AND YOU ARE ONE IN HIS PURPOSE..I HAVE EXPERIENCED NO GREATER JOY.BUT ITS TRUE HE WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. I DONT MEAN A LITTLE OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE,I MEAN COMPLETELY OUT OF IT.TOTALLY RELIANT ON HIS PROVISIONS,ONE DAY AT A TIME,SO THAT YOU COUNT ON HIM ALL DAY LONG,HOUR BY HOUR TO PREPARE YOUR DESTINY BEFORE YOU,ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.EVERYTHING WITHIN YOU MUST BELIEVE!.TALKING ABOUT A GOOD PRAYER LIFE,OH,YOU'LL HAVE ONE.WHEN YOU TQKE THIS JOURNEY ALL OTHER EXPERIENCES IN LIFE ARE SMALL IN COMPARISON..MY SPIRIT IS CRYING OUT RIGHT NOW FOR ANOTHER JOURNEY WITH HIM..HE IS A GREAT COMFORTER,HE WASHES YOU CLEAN TO FULFILL HIS WILL.ALL OTHER THINGS FADE AWAY.MAN,I MISS THAT.BUT IM WAITING ON HIS CALL RIGHT NOW.YOU SHOULD BE TOO.
Quite simply meaning is where you find it. There is no empirical meaning, if that is what you're getting at. What is meaningful to you might not be meaningful to somebody else (and vise versa). And that is okay. Not everybody has to find the same meaning or purpose in their life. And you've got no business trying to discount someone else's meaning or purpose any more than they have trying to discount yours. And even if you find meaning in something for a while and then you no longer find meaning in that it doesn't mean that it didn't have meaning to start with.
You are grossly misrepresenting the point, which is that PEOPLE themselves have objectively defined meaning, not that we aren’t allowed to extract meaning from external pursuits/objects. Of course you and I can find different amounts of meaning in different things (art, charity, music, etc.). This guy isn’t trying to impose on you his definition of what you should find important externally. He is saying that your life, if you could put it on a scale that measures meaning, would have weight. If we are all the accidental results of a cosmic space fart, then you cannot successfully convince me that a human’s life is more valuable than a plant’s life. A plant contributes far more and damages far less in terms of its effect on the earth than I do. What’s the difference?
Many thanks for Jesse Bryant who linked me this video, excellent discussion: When Cliffe gives the example of stealing the girls bag, and says "I'm taking this.... what does it matter",? I'd say, we are a social species who are capable of realizing that it's not good to take something that belongs to something else. In order for us to live in a harmonious society we learn to respect other people's property. If we use the old adage "don't do to other people what you wouldn;t want done to yourself", clearly Cliffe would not like it if, after he'd given this talk, he went to get in his car to go home, and someone had stolen it... to quote Cliffe, he'd be "royally bummed out". You don't need a God to tell you it's bad to steal. Every civilization that's ever existed has a certain set of rules in order for that society to exist, knowing not to steal is a basic human trait. I thought the young man at the beginning made some excellent points.
One of the problems I have with apologetics is they seem to look down upon everyday Christian who walk by faith they believe and they're doing God's work everyday. they don't need this long drawn-out explanation backed up by evidence from every corner of Science and philosophy. So put it simply you have to BELIEVE BELIEVE BELIEVE beyond what science is capable of or philosophy can teach you. #IBelieve Hebrews 11 verse 1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of Things Not Seen.
Whilst I agree with the significance of having faith, I believe what pastor Cliffe is doing is planting seeds. He's encouraging people who otherwise wouldn't really care, to pick up the Scriptures and look for 'evidence of reliability '...if that draws some people to Christ I'm all for that. At the end of the day he's planting seeds, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.
But what if, but what if, but what if, but what if. He asked Cliffe if there was any standard of evidence to make him not believe. I wonder if this kid even has a standard that would make him believe. 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. he gives meaning to life. see www.gotquestions.org
these students like to pretend to look like deep thinkers but theyre very shallow and don't really think through the arguments they make so try to wriggle out when their questions and statements are challenged. its like "my questions are fair cos I read them in a book at the university library but yours aren't cos you're pointing out the flaws. if they really read and thought about the things they read at Uni they would see the flaws or strengths in their arguments (like all critical thinkers are supposed to do)before going on camera trying to impress all their peers. the arguments they make are often based on false premises and assumptions, and especially concerning faith because the statements they make are based on hearsay and selections of what they heard that the Bible says instead of actually reading for themselves. good research goes a long way.
16:00 Did this kid just go from implying that 911 being an inside job as a whacky notion to implying that the writers of the gospels conspired in collaboration?
It wouldn’t make any logical sense for the writers of the gospel to collaborate and write something fake just to lose their lives. Jesus is real! Why can’t these people see that? It’s simple, they love themselves too much to stop and let go! :(
Cliff should have brought up ppl that are mentally ill, mentally disabled, physically disabled, and combinations of all three...... He should have asked what makes them any less valuable than a human not being born, or developing, any of those medical conditions.
Cliffe lacks faith, he is convinced through his series of tests that convince him that God, Jesus etc is true/real. Jesus said to Thomas "you believe because you see the evidence but Thomas BLESSED are those that believe without evidence! Told Peter he was blessed because he believed Jesus is the Son of God because it wasn't through carnal means that he believed but because the Father told him. John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. This is faith!
If you haven't seen a documentary called... It's worse then you think... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministry... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
Herod likedJohn the baptist,Salome tricked Herod into taking his life..John finished his work.and then went to paradise. Me ,I would rather leave this Earth ,like Elijah than John.
Jesus encourage ,anyone who had a need to faith,always ,only believe.we have a covenant with God,And by Jesus stripes we are healed,All the promises of God ,are Yes and Amen.Heaven and Earth will pass away,but God word stands forevr.
Skeptic: There is no God, you cannot prove He exists, we do not need one anyhow. Believer: So what is your plan? Skeptic: Just do good and be a good person. Believer: But most people in the world do not really believe...and think they are good people doing good. Skeptic: There you are! Believer: Erm...have you looked at the condition of our society lately?
Miricles signs and wonders are essential for the believer,Jesus said ,these sign will,Will,follow them that believe.people will go to hell if the Christian lack power (Sodem and Gormorah would have all repented had Jesus been there.Jesius said the works that I do shall you do also,and greater works because I go unto my Father,God is not willing that perish ,but that all come to repentance.Jesus commanded His Disciples not to go out preaching without the manifest Power of The Holy Spirit;should we do any less.God wants the Church to grow in every aspect not go backwards.
Jerome believed that the "brothers" of the Lord were Jesus' cousins, thus amplifying the doctrine of perpetual virginity. Jerome concluded that James "the brother of the Lord", (Galatians 1:19) is therefore James, son of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, and the son of Mary Cleophas.
Cliffe is such a marvelous balance of knowledge, authority, humility, patience. Thank you Holy Spirit for producing fruit such as is seen in this man!
It was so refreshing to listen to an intelligent college student asking good questions, making good points, without defaulting to vulgarity and insults. The vast majority of atheists that I encounter in street ministry engage with their "Gotcha" question, and after it is answered and they are challenged with a question - the vulgar language, insults and screaming begin.
On the other hand Christians just calmly respond with intellectual dishonesty. Guys like Cliffe like to go to college campuses and prey on and philosophically engage with unsuspecting college students that are still trying to find their way (philosophically speaking). But put him up against an educated atheist and things don't play out so well in his favor, as demonstrated in this debate...
th-cam.com/video/fbsZnHdeoTo/w-d-xo.html
The Bible is truly amazing
@@josephrohland5604 lol Ever Heard of Jesus? New Covenant? Are you "paid" to come up with this?
All religions will bown down to the name of Jesus.
@@josephrohland5604 God bless you.😇 Maybe you should read the bible instead of using the internet to make your ignorant claims.
Keep your brainwashing away from me!!! Wicked you are
@@josephrohland5604
Well guess you'll always be lost.
Don't care about your opinion at this point. Go bother someone else please.
@@josephrohland5604
Glad your getting paid to create division. God bless you
Amazing QNA, the guy asking questions was polite and the theologian was right on with the answers. I hope more people see it.
THIS GUY IS GOOD, GOD BLESS.
@@josephrohland5604 so long as it’s stable. You Might wanna test it tho before you go around offering it.
@@josephrohland5604 is this bridge available still , no need to test it I have blind faith
three videos in one day! what a blessing :)
Once again Cliffe your love for people is astounding! I'm coming up to CT for Christmas I hope to meet you in person.
Christmas is pagan,, devil worship, giveing credid.to the prince.of.darkness, those.who do this.will be put.to death.at.Gods. hand,.jeremiah, cha 10v3 -4 plus you are lieing to your children,,,'santa ,= satan,, interesting, God.is.not.one to be.mocked,,, beleive me,
This pastor is very persuasive and when he is enlightened by science he would be able to preach the Good news even to the atheists and agnostics.
Family, Friends, Dreams, Goals, Accomplishments, Nature and Joy all give life a meaning.
False, that doesn't give you any real meaning.
It's like a hammer who decides that it's meaning is being next to a Tv watching football, and sometimes start to hit the floor in order to disturb neighbors... that, could the hammer thinks "It's my meaning" but in the end of the day it is not its real meaning... and even more, if the real meaning would not exist and the hammer decides to live that way... yet it would give not any meaning to the hammer, just something to do in the meantime, but not meaning.
God bless you cliff
I THANK GOD for you!!!!
God bless you
Who’s the Jezebel screaming in the background lol
Cliffe, you are amazing mate!
I love your work
when it comes to the translation and handing down issue, and how we know that the new testament we have is the one that was originally written, it comes down manuscripts. the more manuscripts a historical document has, the better historians are informed about how accurately it is translated, and no historical document, and I repeat, no historical document, has more manuscripts than the Bible...take that to the bank
The life of Paul is the key. That guy had it all, to claim Jesus is God had nothing going for him.
The best part of this is .
The only reason we have vaule at all its because .
As our lives and free will it had be given to us by God
Amen
This is a clear example of a person hiding behind intellectual smoke screens. He doesn't believe because of his heart, not his mind.
exactly
Gotta give credit when it's due. It seemed he began to become more open minded and understandable as the conversation went on, which is always great to see. Lets hope Cliffe just planted a seed and with time it grows!
"This is a clear example of a person hiding behind intellectual smoke screens. He doesn't believe because of his heart, not his mind."
Huh?
@@rrock2025 Yeah he is rigth you can see intellectually something is truth but you don't want to a accept it (Your heart)
Joel olsteen needs to hear cliff message at the end
Who keeps yelling in the background. Shhhhhh. I'm trying to learn.
I KNOW RIGHT! Geez...
I think that there have been lgbt protests at some of his chats. God keep free speech for us
Where he is witnessing is a Prog area. The good news is, there are many little churches on Campus. In Dorms, rooms, offices, buildings in or near campus. Sadly, most of the long time established churches, traditional buildings, are apostate.
I agree Bruce. Apostate is one of those words which isn't used much these days either.
As you know, where you live, there is a desperate need for a Nation wide Revival. Similar to a John Wesley who rode 250,000 miles. He preached over 40,000 sermons!
Though not a doctor of medicine, John Wesley invented many cures for diseases he had, wrote a book on medicinal cures for the masses, and started clinics for the poor.
England is in a downward spiral. Being invaded, like several European Countries by Islam.
May God wake up the asleep English people, and the Dead Church there.
Please come to UTD! University of Texas at Dallas :)
I subscribe to wretched channel where Todd Friel does the same thing .. Unfortunately they blocked the comment section in their every single videos... I'm glad I can comment here to say ... God is good all the time. :)
The pursuit of truth ultimately gives life meaning. It’s literally the source of meaning. I mean without truth meaning itself is meaningless.
These kids educating Cliffe is Beautiful!❤️
Why are you commenting? There is no God, remember?
I'm a catholic, and at times I find it difficult to argue with non-christians about God or Jesus Christ in a logical way. But he does a brilliant job in trying to make it logical and reasonable
Calculating the amount of variants/mistakes in the manuscripts, as Pastor Cliffe was talking to this young man. I erred on the side of 400,000 variants in 25,000 manuscripts…16 mistakes per variant. Can university students be more accurate than that in their essays? 🤔
Case in point: we have a son who’s a college senior; he constantly asks for help with proofreading his essays.
😂😂😂
awesome
Keep em comin Cliff. God bless you. Are you off your brocoli? You haven't mentioned it in a while! ;-)
All things are possible to those who believe ;Herod
you can hear the "tolerant" screaming in the background trying to suppress dialogue...
this same tolerance manifested itself as "black lives matter" chants in 2020...
5:40
So the wiping out of people is not the issue, the criteria they used is?
i wanna find FULL debates on campus, not by parts like on You Tube
this is what this guy does though. talks to students.
Jacob Leaver yeh i know but sometimes it cuts out the good stuff
blaby4ever yeah that too. Sometimes cliffe goes to easy on these kids lol. It would be rather easy to tear apart 90% of the arguments brought up by alot of these students
Jacob Leaver you know and its funny cause most of these students bring up the same cycle of questions. Why is the bible reliable after all these transactions, Why is christianity the only way instead of other religions etc. These kids never do their own curious research
blaby4ever
And they jump around so much, kind of annoying.
Without the resurrection of Jesus there is no Christianity.
Numbers 6:24-26,
Deute. 28, Joshua 1:7-8
Psalms 24 & chap. 139,
Matthew 6:9-15 & 12:31-32,
Romans 10:9-13,
Humans are valuable to humans, there are exceptions.
What is that person yelling in the background?
Stupidity.
Man, you've got some good ears. Thanks.
They're saying "Register to vote"
I don’t get the manuscript variant thing.
Forgive me I’m confused. What’s amazing about 16ish variants per manuscript? Wouldn’t amazing be little to no variants? Or are they all massive manuscripts?
nice
bruh... i wanted to headbutt a wall when the guy asked. What if they just read the manuscripts and wrote down what the manuscripts said? like dude....that is how someone writes down what something else says....
Haha yeah that was funny too. His argument 1 was "what if it changed overtime" His second objection "What if they made a consistent copy" LOL
You can study the facts about this topic for 15 years, then hear from a scholar facts you didn't have before.
The gist that changes scholars from atheist to believer is actually being able to check the evidence and find that with copyist error, or attempted corrections, the facts and the precepts of Christs teachings are not affected by so called discrepancy, contradiction, or little gaps or omissions.
The multitude say the same thing.
That's why non canonical books are excluded from the Canon. That's also sent scholars to search for writing by non believers, about Christ, and they find it.
I learned the other day, that the word "Christian" was first recorded as the saying of Nero Caesar.
The Essenes who hid the oldest scrolls were the "Sons of light".
I've never learned that in perochial school or by going to church or bible study.
There's so many facts people don't have unless they go search for what is known and what's being found by archaeologists and scholars.
The kid makes an excellent point at about 14 minutes that there are phrases in the Greek language that have no English equivalent, when William Tyndale translated the Greek manuscripts into English, he had to come up with his own phrases which he thought closely matched the original Greek, so it can't be an exact translation from the original. The question I'd have to ask is, could God have inspired a book which was impossible to take out of context and be used to commit horrific acts in Gods name, such as "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ... how does one go about determining whether someone is a witch or not? ... in medieval times, women would be tortured to extract a confession out of them, and then they'd be either burnt alive, or hung. Why don't we torture women today for witchcraft?
Because witchcraft is just as fake as their religion. Contradictory information within their propaganda can enable them to be either peaceful cultists, or zealots bearing swords.
Cliffe do you have written material to work through?
What is that girl SCREAMING in the background?? 🤨🤔🤷🏻♀️
Demonic attempt to disrupt the hearing of God's Truth.
Who’s yelling in the background?
My life has no purpose or meaning
beyond what I give it.
Where does it say they begin worshipping on Sunday?
Really man?....
So it’s not entirely fair to comment this since it’s hard enough as it is to do in the moment but Cliff kinda missed a nice moment to build some conviction in this young man. The moment he asked “well how do you know this is true?” Cliff should have told him: Look we’ve gone over about 8 questions/concerns you have, at what point will it be good enough for you to admit that Jesus is the Truth? How many more answers do you need to wash away your doubts? Basically what’s the X amount of evidence you need to submit that it’s true?
I think that really would’ve forced him to stop his cynicism and actually come to a decision or at the very least force him to stop making excuses. It would’ve strongly forced him to heavily consider the facts he’s been presented with.
@@josephrohland5604 what’s your point?
@@josephrohland5604 oh if that was your point…then you seriously have something inwardly wrong with you. John 10:16 - “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.”
Repent dude. Simple as that.
@@josephrohland5604 I don’t see how you can misconstrue that to mean only Jews. I mean even in your own explanation “I.e. Greeks CONVERTS” admits that it applies to everyone. You can’t be a convert if you are already Jewish.
You tried again with Matthew 19:28 but if you literally read the next verse it says “EVERYONE etc…will have eternal life” what version of the Bible are you are you reading to make your argument? Seriously, which one because the NIV, KJV, NSB, ESV, NLT to name a few all affirm what I’m saying here.
Also since you seem to like Matthew 15 if you keep reading from what you quoted Jesus literally heals the woman and exalts her for her faith.
I’m genuinely interested in how you are coming to these conclusions. I’ve literally never heard anyone make the arguments you’re making here. Even Hasidic Jews, Skeptics, and Atheists don’t correlate what you’ve said here. Did you come up with this on your own? If so I would advise to go back and read the whole chapters you’re quoting from. Did you get this idea from somebody else? If so I think you might be misrepresenting what they’ve said and I’d like to know who so I can hear for myself
@@josephrohland5604 Again sir, you’re not thinking plainly about the chapter (not even whole chapter it’s just a paragraph which makes it worse) He says “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs. Then she says “yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs from their masters’ table.” In this analogy who’s the dog? The Canaanite woman (which you pointed out already so castigating), Who’s the Master? Jesus(I’m sure you abhor that part too). What does the Master have? Bread for his children. Who are his children? The house of Israel (which I’m sure you agree since it’s the point you’re making) Who also gets some of that bread, that precious bread, even if it’s just crumbs, that Jesus was sent to give? THE DOGS. It applies to even us dogs.
Look dude, you have not given a good argument to back up your claim. But you have clearly expressed your distaste for Jesus. I’ll check out that TH-camr you mentioned in hopes that maybe he at least makes a better argument. But seriously man, you gotta put that ego and hate aside and just read the text plainly and normally. This really feels like you’re having to do mental gymnastics to come to the conclusions you’ve come to.
@@josephrohland5604 And guess who can’t focus on anything else other then the dog part and who can’t put his pride aside to be honest about the analogy being made in order to save someone. I’ll be praying for you friend.
How do you come to believe God is real?
Experience, when you apply His perfect will for your life you will then experience Him!
What gives a life meaning,when God pulls you out of thr world and reveals Himself to you. And opens your eyes and ears and spirit to the secret things pertaining to Him.There is no greater feeling under heaven then to be in God perfect will. To watch His power is amazing,and see His will performed before your very eyes.to witness first hand His move on things,and his plan unroll like a scroll. ITS HEAVEN ON EARTH.WHEN YOU WALK IN HIS WILL,ITS LIKE WALKING IN THE CLOUDSAND HAVING THAT PEACE THAT SURPASSES UNDERSTANDING..WHEN HE AND YOU ARE ONE IN HIS PURPOSE..I HAVE EXPERIENCED NO GREATER JOY.BUT ITS TRUE HE WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. I DONT MEAN A LITTLE OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE,I MEAN COMPLETELY OUT OF IT.TOTALLY RELIANT ON HIS PROVISIONS,ONE DAY AT A TIME,SO THAT YOU COUNT ON HIM ALL DAY LONG,HOUR BY HOUR TO PREPARE YOUR DESTINY BEFORE YOU,ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.EVERYTHING WITHIN YOU MUST BELIEVE!.TALKING ABOUT A GOOD PRAYER LIFE,OH,YOU'LL HAVE ONE.WHEN YOU TQKE THIS JOURNEY ALL OTHER EXPERIENCES IN LIFE ARE SMALL IN COMPARISON..MY SPIRIT IS CRYING OUT RIGHT NOW FOR ANOTHER JOURNEY WITH HIM..HE IS A GREAT COMFORTER,HE WASHES YOU CLEAN TO FULFILL HIS WILL.ALL OTHER THINGS FADE AWAY.MAN,I MISS THAT.BUT IM WAITING ON HIS CALL RIGHT NOW.YOU SHOULD BE TOO.
Quite simply meaning is where you find it. There is no empirical meaning, if that is what you're getting at. What is meaningful to you might not be meaningful to somebody else (and vise versa).
And that is okay. Not everybody has to find the same meaning or purpose in their life. And you've got no business trying to discount someone else's meaning or purpose any more than they have trying to discount yours. And even if you find meaning in something for a while and then you no longer find meaning in that it doesn't mean that it didn't have meaning to start with.
You are grossly misrepresenting the point, which is that PEOPLE themselves have objectively defined meaning, not that we aren’t allowed to extract meaning from external pursuits/objects. Of course you and I can find different amounts of meaning in different things (art, charity, music, etc.). This guy isn’t trying to impose on you his definition of what you should find important externally. He is saying that your life, if you could put it on a scale that measures meaning, would have weight.
If we are all the accidental results of a cosmic space fart, then you cannot successfully convince me that a human’s life is more valuable than a plant’s life. A plant contributes far more and damages far less in terms of its effect on the earth than I do. What’s the difference?
Many thanks for Jesse Bryant who linked me this video, excellent discussion: When Cliffe gives the example of stealing the girls bag, and says "I'm taking this.... what does it matter",? I'd say, we are a social species who are capable of realizing that it's not good to take something that belongs to something else. In order for us to live in a harmonious society we learn to respect other people's property. If we use the old adage "don't do to other people what you wouldn;t want done to yourself", clearly Cliffe would not like it if, after he'd given this talk, he went to get in his car to go home, and someone had stolen it... to quote Cliffe, he'd be "royally bummed out".
You don't need a God to tell you it's bad to steal. Every civilization that's ever existed has a certain set of rules in order for that society to exist, knowing not to steal is a basic human trait. I thought the young man at the beginning made some excellent points.
What school is this?
One of the problems I have with apologetics is they seem to look down upon everyday Christian who walk by faith they believe and they're doing God's work everyday. they don't need this long drawn-out explanation backed up by evidence from every corner of Science and philosophy.
So put it simply you have to BELIEVE BELIEVE BELIEVE beyond what science is capable of or philosophy can teach you. #IBelieve
Hebrews 11 verse 1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of Things Not Seen.
Thank you for this comment , I think cliff is a great debater for these young minds but I don't agree with all the points he makes , thank you again 👍
Whilst I agree with the significance of having faith, I believe what pastor Cliffe is doing is planting seeds. He's encouraging people who otherwise wouldn't really care, to pick up the Scriptures
and look for 'evidence of reliability '...if that draws some people to Christ I'm all for that. At the end of the day he's planting seeds, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.
But what if, but what if, but what if, but what if. He asked Cliffe if there was any standard of evidence to make him not believe. I wonder if this kid even has a standard that would make him believe.
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. he gives meaning to life. see www.gotquestions.org
these students like to pretend to look like deep thinkers but theyre very shallow and don't really think through the arguments they make so try to wriggle out when their questions and statements are challenged. its like "my questions are fair cos I read them in a book at the university library but yours aren't cos you're pointing out the flaws. if they really read and thought about the things they read at Uni they would see the flaws or strengths in their arguments (like all critical thinkers are supposed to do)before going on camera trying to impress all their peers. the arguments they make are often based on false premises and assumptions, and especially concerning faith because the statements they make are based on hearsay and selections of what they heard that the Bible says instead of actually reading for themselves. good research goes a long way.
I tend to disagree with you Eric, I think they have given this subject of God deep thought and have simply come to a different conclusion to you.
Good video Cliffe! Besides the yelling in the background
Whole vid I'm trying figure out what that loudmouth is yelling
I’m combing the comments to see if someone has figured it out lol
Somebody shut that lady up! Oh my gosh!
16:00
Did this kid just go from implying that 911 being an inside job as a whacky notion to implying that the writers of the gospels conspired in collaboration?
It wouldn’t make any logical sense for the writers of the gospel to collaborate and write something fake just to lose their lives. Jesus is real! Why can’t these people see that? It’s simple, they love themselves too much to stop and let go! :(
I just thought Cliff would ask him questions in return
The sabbath is the forth commandment of the ten commandments not a tradition
I don’t know why the lady yelling in the background annoyed me so much 🤦🏻♂️🥱😆
Cliff should have brought up ppl that are mentally ill, mentally disabled, physically disabled, and combinations of all three......
He should have asked what makes them any less valuable than a human not being born, or developing, any of those medical conditions.
I wonder if only in a 1st world country can human worth/value can be based on IQ
Could the story of Judas point in the Bible that the selling of or profit of Jesus Christ salvation be the same as depicted him selling over the Lord?
Cliffe lacks faith, he is convinced through his series of tests that convince him that God, Jesus etc is true/real.
Jesus said to Thomas "you believe because you see the evidence but Thomas BLESSED are those that believe without evidence!
Told Peter he was blessed because he believed Jesus is the Son of God because it wasn't through carnal means that he believed but because the Father told him.
John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
This is faith!
Adams' rebellion brought so much misery but Jesus will reverse that. Have faith.
If you haven't seen a documentary called... It's worse then you think... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministry... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
JESUS CHRIST is LORD.
Who is the genius yelling over there! It's very annoying
Herod likedJohn the baptist,Salome tricked Herod into taking his life..John finished his work.and then went to paradise. Me ,I would rather leave this Earth ,like Elijah than John.
Jesus encourage ,anyone who had a need to faith,always ,only believe.we have a covenant with God,And by Jesus stripes we are healed,All the promises of God ,are Yes and Amen.Heaven and Earth will pass away,but God word stands forevr.
atheism...what a sad reality it is...
Skeptic: There is no God, you cannot prove He exists, we do not need one anyhow.
Believer: So what is your plan?
Skeptic: Just do good and be a good person.
Believer: But most people in the world do not really believe...and think they are good people doing good.
Skeptic: There you are!
Believer: Erm...have you looked at the condition of our society lately?
Miricles signs and wonders are essential for the believer,Jesus said ,these sign will,Will,follow them that believe.people will go to hell if the Christian lack power (Sodem and Gormorah would have all repented had Jesus been there.Jesius said the works that I do shall you do also,and greater works because I go unto my Father,God is not willing that perish ,but that all come to repentance.Jesus commanded His Disciples not to go out preaching without the manifest Power of The Holy Spirit;should we do any less.God wants the Church to grow in every aspect not go backwards.
Innate Human value, worth, purpose in life and morality and life after death
Did God create man knowing that MOST would go to hell.
The Bible is not proof of God's existence. It's where you after becoming a believer.
The Jews did not start worshipping on Sunday that is false
James is not the brother of Jesus , who is telling you this lie
Jerome believed that the "brothers" of the Lord were Jesus' cousins, thus amplifying the doctrine of perpetual virginity. Jerome concluded that James "the brother of the Lord", (Galatians 1:19) is therefore James, son of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, and the son of Mary Cleophas.
Is God selfish?
I don't think so, do you?
I'm not impressed with Cliffe's long-winded sermon.