Might of been good if we could see what you were doing.. Great video view to see the back of your hands and a glare. Next video should be how to use a camera.
You had some good information but unfortunately I wasn’t able to see what you did after you marked the straight line never assume we rookies know what we are doing treat us like second grade children and walk us through every step 🙏☮️🇺🇸
the rookie way looks and its better leaves no room for water to infiltrate your pro way looks ugley and open iviteing the water to infiltrate analize it think about it use it is better use common sense!!!!
The “rookie” 90 looks cleaner and is better from a flashing standpoint. Your “pro” just leaves an ugly gap between the 2 pieces and gives water a place to go
Hes talking about all his war stories that hes the best but if he roofed the pyramids then why is he using a pencil to scribe his work, should be all blow n go and not show how to stencil, talk about rookie roofer jibber jabber, lmao
if I was concerned about frozen water reaching up into the bottom of the drip edge, I would use an electric heat strip attached at the base of the gutter (underneath) which will prevent any ice from accumulating.... it that illegal in the industry????
You know what you're doing but we don't. Sorry to say but this is an irritating waste of my time. Can't see what you're describing. Cuts are in your sight, but not ours. Camera is in the wrong spot. To use your words..."super amateur bad..."
Maybe next time have the camera facing the corner so you can actually see what you are talking about. You are so far away from the camera and so fast, you can't see the cuts and how they look.
putting drip edge under the ice guard in Michigan is against code, MI has cold weather which means ice, hence the reason for ice, the issue is that your gutters fill with ice in the winter, the ice will start backing up under the drip and the first 2 inches will not be protected now cause you put the ice quard on top of the drip , I've tore off thousands of roofs and the first 3 to 6 inches on the bottom will be rotted, if the ice would have gone to the bottom like it's supposed to, it would have been protected by the ice guard, the ice guard would have been doing its job
@@dcwatashi no, people who are installing this on their homes or are doing this line of work need to know. I watched this and clearly knew he's not working on the North. Don't make a big deal of nothing
@dcwatashi okay, you're highness. The expert in the video is deeply apologetic for not spending enough time mentioning every aspect of local code and the differences between that and your local code
Jesus, Dude was playing musical drip edge. Its stuff like this is why kids today don't want to stand on a roof watching someone take 10 minutes just to do a corner. By the way, it does go on top. not the bottom.
@@ScottRoofwalker Why? You have nothing to teach that I already don't know and its clear if it actually took a 1/4 of a second, it wouldn't have taken you almost 10 minutes to show it to people how to do it the wrong way
yes, I agree with the other people, but I stuck with it and forced myself to draw from it and I get what your talking about, thanks for the video for sure.... this video is much like reading an antient book, the information is there, you just have to work on it for a while....
The stuff your demonstrating is what we called rake edge. We never used it on an eve edge. Drip has a 1” projection with a 180 bend. Sometimes it can be used on a rake as well. I agree that contrary to the manufacturer ice dam should be on top of the metal edge. It never made sense to me to lap something lower over something higher. We used to project the roof sheathing a little at the eve for fascia cap and gutter tolerance. Back in my day!
Every manufacturer (except grace) shows it on top of the meat at the eaves. But some areas the code says under. Unfortunately here in Utah they don’t use style D drip edge as you’re describing. Back home in Montana we only used style D drip edge. I always find it interesting to see how things are done in different parts of the country. Thank you for watching and commenting
"I agree that contrary to the manufacturer ice dam should be on top of the metal edge." If you go over the top, there's nothing under the metal but bare wood. Where I live, it goes under by code and we have to use black jack cement on the top seam where the drip lays on top of the felt. If water should ever get under the metal drip, there's felt to protect the wood.
It's hard to see, due to the color of your shirt, angle, and sunshine against the camera. Please do another video on ground. It's is very interesting subject.
All you TH-cam roofers NEVER mention what region you're doing roofing. Here in Florida you WILL FAIL INSPECTION if you put the dryin over the drip edge
My gutter installer didn't trim the descending drip edge, so there is a 1/4 inch gap between the gutter and fascia boards at the corners. Can I just snip the drip edge so it's flush with the fascia?
I just built my own house after years of not being in the business, and I feel you. The worst parts was the heights, I used to climb around like a monkey. I got through it but not easily.
@@redneckgoatfarmer I’m glad you made it through safe. My friends brother fell off a roof 20 years ago and although survived, he has never been the same. He has a pretty sad life now after the fall.
Is that snow on the ground in the background? Then you have no idea of what you are talking about when you say that drip edge goes under ice shield. The ice shield is designed to be installed 3" down over the gutter board and drip edge goes over top of ice shield that way if the gutter fills up with ice the water will not goes between the gutter board and plywood. If your thinking that the gutter with screw in hangers will fit under drip edge then you obviously haven't hung gutters.
@@ScottRoofwalker Go to CertainTeed shingle installation manual. PG. 45 Figure 5-8. I am a Roofing installer since 1971. 3 brothers who worked with me. Dad started in 1952. We all had ten steps ahead of everyone. Slate, tile, and copper roofing. We live in the snow belt of Cleveland east side. Never had to advertise. I was the problem solver . I fixed more bad installs than you can believe and inspection reports for law firms. So if you want to challenge me on anything please do.
@@larrycrookshanks1646 I used to roof homes for Gross builders in North Royalton. I know they do that there. Certainties does show that as an alternative. It is not the only application. After 26 years of roofing even in places like Big Sky and Aspen I’ve never seen the fascia damaged in this fashion.
Crookshank is correct. Just looked up several GUIDES for the application of various "ice shields." All say: "Place metal drip edges or wood starter shingles over the (ice shield) membrane." That's in agreement with Larry Crookshanks. The ice shield should be the bottom-most layer. Directions: "Install ICE & WATER SHIELD roofing underlayment directly on a clean, dry, continuous structural deck. Some suitable deck materials include plywood, wood composition, metal, concrete, and gypsum sheathing. That's as clear and direct confirmation, as any.
@scottroofwalker review your comments in this section. Many of us disagree with your method. Drip edge goes over water and ice then underlayment on top of that. You are doing it wrong.
@@Dedicateddad4ever ok. Well, I’ll put together a rebuttal for you and after that you are welcome to go tell the manufacturers and national building code that they’re telling people to install their products wrong.
This video is irritating.. I can't see anything. It's basically this dude talking about how he prepares his drip edge better than anyone else.
Might of been good if we could see what you were doing.. Great video view to see the back of your hands and a glare. Next video should be how to use a camera.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
you need a better cameraman I couldn't see anything. but this is very interesting.
You had some good information but unfortunately I wasn’t able to see what you did after you marked the straight line never assume we rookies know what we are doing treat us like second grade children and walk us through every step 🙏☮️🇺🇸
I’ll redo this better then
the rookie way looks and its better leaves no room for water to infiltrate your pro way looks ugley and open iviteing the water to infiltrate analize it think about it use it is better use common sense!!!!
The “rookie” 90 looks cleaner and is better from a flashing standpoint. Your “pro” just leaves an ugly gap between the 2 pieces and gives water a place to go
Guess nobody told you that the 90 gets cut when the next trade gets there
Water gets in everyone of my corners and they are done this way
Video angle is terrible. Couldn't see shit
Thats what I was thinking. Camera guy had no idea what parts needed to be shown.
he spent 3 minutes bashing other people's work when he could have just showed how to do it... Next video
Hes talking about all his war stories that hes the best but if he roofed the pyramids then why is he using a pencil to scribe his work, should be all blow n go and not show how to stencil, talk about rookie roofer jibber jabber, lmao
The cameraman doesn’t appear to know what the video is about.
So no seal over roof edge? What is protecting the raw wood edge under the metal?
Really good content but the video isn't showing the drip edge as you're working on it. I needed to see the metal while you were cutting.
I have another video. But I can make one tonight just for you to help
I was able to film it this evening. I will get it uploaded for you in the morning
The new video is almost done uploading ..
Cutting drip edge corners for gutters- answering viewer questions
th-cam.com/video/YOIaHbV5sHs/w-d-xo.html
if I was concerned about frozen water reaching up into the bottom of the drip edge, I would use an electric heat strip attached at the base of the gutter (underneath) which will prevent any ice from accumulating.... it that illegal in the industry????
You know what you're doing but we don't. Sorry to say but this is an irritating waste of my time. Can't see what you're describing. Cuts are in your sight, but not ours. Camera is in the wrong spot. To use your words..."super amateur bad..."
Fantastic camera work!! I have to go. The only angle YOU CANT SEE is the frickin corner.
Maybe next time have the camera facing the corner so you can actually see what you are talking about. You are so far away from the camera and so fast, you can't see the cuts and how they look.
Why not take the time to have the camera guy move where can actually see what you’re doing?
Camera didn't show jack shit.
Can even see what your doing
Oh I'm always that guy! Because F the gutter guy. Did I mention I'm the gutter guy too? 😂
Buying a gutter machine and installing gutters changed my perspective
Water loves to capillary. Drip rails crucial to sound construction.
putting drip edge under the ice guard in Michigan is against code, MI has cold weather which means ice, hence the reason for ice, the issue is that your gutters fill with ice in the winter, the ice will start backing up under the drip and the first 2 inches will not be protected now cause you put the ice quard on top of the drip , I've tore off thousands of roofs and the first 3 to 6 inches on the bottom will be rotted, if the ice would have gone to the bottom like it's supposed to, it would have been protected by the ice guard, the ice guard would have been doing its job
And the opposite is true here. Crazy world
@@ScottRoofwalker yes but you should have explained that in your video what state you were in.
@@dcwatashi no, people who are installing this on their homes or are doing this line of work need to know. I watched this and clearly knew he's not working on the North. Don't make a big deal of nothing
@@matthewbrown9029 spending thousands of dollars is a big F’ING deal and so is providing incomplete information
@dcwatashi okay, you're highness. The expert in the video is deeply apologetic for not spending enough time mentioning every aspect of local code and the differences between that and your local code
very amateurish, Not thought out on camera angles; waste of time and very uninformative. Dont try a career as a video man
That is not the correct way.
How true
@@kirksink6002 Thanks mate.
Nice cut looks like someone chewed on it, that why they make red and green snips
Colorblind?
I learned a long time ago that if I didn't have anything good to say don't say anything
Don't be that guy! Don't make it difficult for the gutter guy.
Jesus, Dude was playing musical drip edge. Its stuff like this is why kids today don't want to stand on a roof watching someone take 10 minutes just to do a corner. By the way, it does go on top. not the bottom.
Sorry i wasn’t able to make it simpler for you. Takes a 1/4 of a second to do though
@@ScottRoofwalker Why? You have nothing to teach that I already don't know and its clear if it actually took a 1/4 of a second, it wouldn't have taken you almost 10 minutes to show it to people how to do it the wrong way
@@Xelvog then why are you watching?
yes, I agree with the other people, but I stuck with it and forced myself to draw from it and I get what your talking about, thanks for the video for sure.... this video is much like reading an antient book, the information is there, you just have to work on it for a while....
The stuff your demonstrating is what we called rake edge. We never used it on an eve edge. Drip has a 1” projection with a 180 bend. Sometimes it can be used on a rake as well. I agree that contrary to the manufacturer ice dam should be on top of the metal edge. It never made sense to me to lap something lower over something higher. We used to project the roof sheathing a little at the eve for fascia cap and gutter tolerance. Back in my day!
Every manufacturer (except grace) shows it on top of the meat at the eaves. But some areas the code says under. Unfortunately here in Utah they don’t use style D drip edge as you’re describing. Back home in Montana we only used style D drip edge. I always find it interesting to see how things are done in different parts of the country. Thank you for watching and commenting
"I agree that contrary to the manufacturer ice dam should be on top of the metal edge." If you go over the top, there's nothing under the metal but bare wood. Where I live, it goes under by code and we have to use black jack cement on the top seam where the drip lays on top of the felt. If water should ever get under the metal drip, there's felt to protect the wood.
Who has 8 minutes to waste on 1 corner edge detail on a jobsite, that nobody will ever see in their life, once the house is completed?
Because it takes that long to get it through most roofers heads
Quality workmanship is doing a great job whether someone will see it up close or not.
use an eave flashing on eave and a 90 degree drip on gable
It's hard to see, due to the color of your shirt, angle, and sunshine against the camera. Please do another video on ground. It's is very interesting subject.
Super Super Super!!!! Thank you Sir!!!!
Video 👎
HATE THE CAMERA MAN BRO!
All you TH-cam roofers NEVER mention what region you're doing roofing. Here in Florida you WILL FAIL INSPECTION if you put the dryin over the drip edge
Everything is regional and local codes trump manufacturers specs
Damn bro it’s snowy outside and you aren’t cold??? Holy cow 🤣🤣🤣 id be freezing man put on a coat! Haha
Dude seems like he thinks he's alot cooler than he is haha😅😅
You may want to reread Grace manufacturers instructions on how to put down ice and water.
Next time I use grace I’ll review them
Bros in a post apocalyptic wasteland
5:25 after the bashings
My gutter installer didn't trim the descending drip edge, so there is a 1/4 inch gap between the gutter and fascia boards at the corners. Can I just snip the drip edge so it's flush with the fascia?
Water loves to capillary. You don't want that. Do it right first time.
Should be fine
Not very clear tbh.
Nice…. Very well explained. I’m glad to have learned something from a pro
drip edge goes on top
I can never be a roofer. Just watching him be that high on a ladder makes my legs weak and feet sweat 😂
I just built my own house after years of not being in the business, and I feel you. The worst parts was the heights, I used to climb around like a monkey. I got through it but not easily.
@@redneckgoatfarmer I’m glad you made it through safe. My friends brother fell off a roof 20 years ago and although survived, he has never been the same. He has a pretty sad life now after the fall.
Perfect. Just what I needed. thanks
Thanks for the intel! How common is it for contractors to cut corner edges like that for gutters?
Not very
"in case water gets under the shingles"? Why the hell would water get under the shingles? Talk about designed to fail.
Ice damming
Is that snow on the ground in the background? Then you have no idea of what you are talking about when you say that drip edge goes under ice shield. The ice shield is designed to be installed 3" down over the gutter board and drip edge goes over top of ice shield that way if the gutter fills up with ice the water will not goes between the gutter board and plywood. If your thinking that the gutter with screw in hangers will fit under drip edge then you obviously haven't hung gutters.
Show me one manufactures specification that says that. There is a reason why they wrap the sub facia with aluminum and then put gutters over that.
@@ScottRoofwalker Go to CertainTeed shingle installation manual. PG. 45 Figure 5-8. I am a Roofing installer since 1971. 3 brothers who worked with me. Dad started in 1952. We all had ten steps ahead of everyone. Slate, tile, and copper roofing. We live in the snow belt of Cleveland east side. Never had to advertise. I was the problem solver . I fixed more bad installs than you can believe and inspection reports for law firms. So if you want to challenge me on anything please do.
@@larrycrookshanks1646 I used to roof homes for Gross builders in North Royalton. I know they do that there. Certainties does show that as an alternative. It is not the only application. After 26 years of roofing even in places like Big Sky and Aspen I’ve never seen the fascia damaged in this fashion.
Make a video helping others to do it the "right" way..if not your just Hershey squirtin into the wind
Crookshank is correct. Just looked up several GUIDES for the application of various "ice shields." All say: "Place metal drip edges or wood starter shingles over the (ice shield) membrane." That's in agreement with Larry Crookshanks. The ice shield should be the bottom-most layer. Directions: "Install ICE & WATER SHIELD roofing underlayment directly on a clean, dry, continuous structural deck. Some suitable deck materials include plywood, wood composition, metal, concrete, and gypsum sheathing. That's as clear and direct confirmation, as any.
Incorrect installation! Drip edge goes over water and ice. You’ll probably be retired when all your jobs fail and need repair though. LOL.
No. No it doesn’t.
@scottroofwalker review your comments in this section. Many of us disagree with your method. Drip edge goes over water and ice then underlayment on top of that. You are doing it wrong.
@@Dedicateddad4ever ok. Well, I’ll put together a rebuttal for you and after that you are welcome to go tell the manufacturers and national building code that they’re telling people to install their products wrong.
Gutter Apron on eve’s
Drip edge on rake’s
Depends on where you live. Minnesota??
Code says 2 inch overlap.