I'd disagree with your some of your assessment. The Munificent-class had the majority of its armament forward. Clone Wars showed what happened when it was attacked on the flanks. The Dreadnought-class has a decent forward firing arc, but its main armament was concentrated in weapons blisters on the port and starboard sides of the hull. If the ships faced each other in combat broadside-to-broadside, the Dreadnought has the upper hand because it has more concentrated fire in those arcs. This is just me nitpicking, but you seem to ignore firing arcs in your videos. For example, in Iron Fist, Mon Remonda was able to take on the SSD Iron Fist by utilizing its firing arcs and limiting those of the Iron Fist. Just something to keep in mind for future videos.
I disagree. From what it sounds like in the eu the dreadnuaght was slow and not very maneuverable meenwhile as was shown in rge clone wars tv show and the eu the munificesent was veryfast and maneuverable for its size. Likely they would run across eachorher in a head on position. The munifecent could totaly keep the dreadnout in front of it if it wanted exposing it to that heavy dual terbolaser and tearing it to ribons this would even work a great distance as they are long range turbolasers. This especialy bad if the dreadnouts best firing arch is a broad side because this bot only incrases its profile making it a larger target for that heavy tubolaser but would also partially expose its engine block stoping it dead in tis tracks. Aslo the heavey turbolaser will have a very easy tame with the dreadbouts sheilds seinf as how in the clone wars it riped through the shields of venators wich had better shielding than the dreadnaut. This also makes logical sense since its hiting the shield with a lot more energy in one place. Also the cabons were fired on barell and then the other si that one would weaken the shield and the other would rip through the shield and hit the ship. This gun was also very rapid and could likely be concentrated on one area fo long periods of time. If i were comanding thr munifecent i would do one of to things 1. Divert all energy to rear sheilds and forward thrusters geting out of its fireing range and than hamering at it with the twin heavy turbolaaer preferably from a vertacle side ways position as to cover more surface area. 2. Speed behind it and dstroy the engines and then just do the rest of the first option. Personly i like them both but prefer the latter. Even if it were the imperial version with fighters and more weapons from a distance they still be useles the plasma dissipating before they even touched the ship. And even if it did have fighters knowing the empire i dout that they would be dedicated bombers as well as that their most common bomber was slow and unshielded as well as had a pretty weak ship to ship payload. TIE bombers would be riped to parts by even the munificents turbolasers. And tie fighters interceptors and even defenders would be plucked from the sky by its point defense guns. The munifecebt is both more rounded and more specialised at the same time. Its overall a better ship. Sorry i know my spelling and gamer are bad im just a flusterd fan boy ranting.
I've always loved hearing about these types of older ships since the info on them is so vague in the novels , unless your going through every detail with a fine comb. Thanks for all the hard work you do .
The real advantage is that the munificent has missle scrambling systems, while the dreadnought lacks missles, meaning that the munificents ability which is normally powerful becomes irrelevant
The Dreadnaught is rapidly becoming my favourite ship in Star Wars. It looks so adorably sad. Like it knows how much bad luck its creators are having and that nobody really likes it and only gets it because they can't get anything else. Constantly living in the shadow of newer ships it still soldiers on, even against the Yuuzhan Vong! Somebody should arrange a deal between the New Republic and Rendili Stardrive regarding the production of Rebel Class Assault Frigates, the younger sister of the Dreadnaught and a fairly capable ship. I am sure that Rendili with all their cleverness can mass produce it.
The Munificent and the Dreadnought were both in the Clone Wars Mod for Star Wars Empire at War. The mods official name was "Republic at War". This isn't a official cannon source but it's still a good reference.
Thank you so much! I had been waiting for this match-up with great anticipation! :-) I LOVE the dreadnaught, although it's clunky and needy in terms of crew. I've been fascinated by the dreadnaught ever since I first read about the Katana Fleet back in high school (late 90's early 2000's).
The Dreadnought's only intangible I can think of is its forward profile is immensely smaller, meaning a literal head-to-head might favor the Dreadnought but the Munificent has it outstripped in its shared era. Please cover the Death Star (or 5 Reapers) VS Unicron
serious question(s). How do you tell the power of the different weapons in star wars? The prefix of Heavy and Light seem to be subjective in relation to the weapon name and craft its on. single, duel, and quad seems self explanatory, but turbo laser looks to be a duel turret. blaster seems to be the smallest, hand held or small craft. then laser, about starfighter size, then turbo laser for capital ship. problem is, you have laser and turbo laser; duel and quad used almost interchangeably to describe both anti starfighter, anti ship roles. the Victory class is described as having only laser weapons, (anti star fighter) but is about equal with a Dreadnought that has turbo lasers. then you have the single HUGE mounts, like the Munificent's two forward turbo cannons and ions. seriously, how do you sort this out?
Luke Skywalker The MC90 is a Mon Calamari Cruiser, designed and first built around 6 years after the Battle of Endor. I believe you are thinking of the CR90 Corvette, a.k.a the Corellian Corvette.
This is my speculations, but, if the U-Wing was destroyed by TIE Strikers, then it's shields wouldn't matter against the sheer numbers of weapons the Republic gunships have. 4 composite beam laser turrets, 2 or 3 anti-personnel laser turrets, 2 mass driver missiles (30 missiles each), and 4 light air-to-air rockets under each wing. The U-Wing has 2 laser turrets and and atleast 1 door-mounted ion blaster. And that's only if the U-Wing has enough firepower to destroy a gunship. Currently, the only things that have destroyed a gunship in canon are Geonosian Starfighters (which use purple ammo), Umbaran Starfighters (which use green ammo), and proton cannons. Correct me if I'm wrong. The most the U-Wing could do is get some shots on the Gunship and, hopefully, it gets destroyed. Or the Rebels can improvise and kill the pilots in it. I don't actually believe it's anti-personnel turrets on the gunship could take out the U-Wing. The Composite Beams or the rockets definitely could. The U-Wing is faster than the gunship, but not impossible to hit. If one of the composite gunners can get a shot on it, or if the pilot can get a missile lock on it, game over.
Very nice assessment, Lord Vader, but take this into account: This will be an in atmospheric conflict, given the LAAT can't withstand prolong engagement in the vacuum of space. The maximum atmospheric speed of the LAAT is 620 KPH while the U-Wing has a maximum atmospheric speed of 950 KPH; much faster than the LAAT. On top of that, the U-Wing's flight configuration increases the coverage of it's deflector shields. The LAAT has strong armor, but no shields. and given that the U-Wing has no problem taking down Imperial Walkers that are much heavily armored, it can take on the LAAT in a couple of strife runs. The only thing the LAAT has that can put a dent on the U-Wing are it's rockets, but I believe the U-Wing can outmaneuver them. Laser from the LAAT will have little effect, the U-Wing's shields can hold. In the Battle of Scariff, the Rebels had one U-Wing on the planet. That U-Wing was able to take down at least 2 AT-ACTs, some Tie Strikers, deploy troops on the beach, provide air support until it was shut down by Tie Strikers squadrons that had stronger cannons and was a designated dog fighter. The LAAT was designed as a dropship and could defend itself, it wasn't a starfighter. The U-Wing wasn't designed as a starfighter either, but it could serve that role. I just believe that the technological advantages, speed , maneuverability and weapons systems of the U-Wing can outperform the LAAT.
I was going to bet on the U-wing but your argument changed my mind. I guess the biggest edge the U-wing has is that it is faster and has a hyperdrive, so it could always get away. Gunships were really designed to put soldiers on the ground and back to low orbit, not to pursue proper spacecraft like the U-Wing (Gunships are really repulsorcraft fitted for low-orbit they're not "proper" spaceships).
GSarge17 Only thing about that match up is that AT-ACT's were inferior to the AT-AT's and used magnetic locks to keep the legs from collapsing under the weight of the hull. Bistan's U Wing used ion repeater which took out and magnetic lock on the joints, and therefore the walker. The rebels didn't have any weapons planetside that could handle the AT ACT's otherwise.
I'm personally a fan of the Munificent. There's one thing to note about that ship - its weaponry may not be as powerful as that of an Imperial-spec Dreadnought, but it has a range advantage. In a pitched battle where both ships approach at sublight, that's a huge advantage. This range advantage combined with the superior maneuverability would allow the Munificent to "kite" the Dreadnought, staying out of the effective range of the more heavily armed vessel while chipping away at its shields and hull with its heavy turbolasers.
There is no way in hell the Dreadnought needed tens of thousands of crew members. I doubt there is any possible way you could FIT that many people inside it.
The Munificent has one big weakpoint: The bridge. It sticks out by a lot and the front is made out of a glass like material, that is easy to break and once the shields are down the bridge is easily destroyed. And you could see in episode 3 that the glass can even be easily broken with smaller hard objects. That was a Providence but that one uses the same material.
I feel like we are getting too many MC80 videos.. It's getting kinda tired some and he always seems to like the MC80 more.. (It sounds like it anyways.)
Exactly. I'm tired of the rebel ships having unfair advantage jsut because they are his favorite. We are not here to look at what he likes, we are here to look at facts.
The Munificent also had 2 armor plating that have high resistance to laser weaponry making the Munificent stronger as the Munificent could move to a position to block the shot
I think the imperial dreadnought is an example of the Kuat and other imperial manufacturers learning lessons from the clone wars in retrofitting. Where they had to make weapons platforms and other essential resource heavy capital ship systems interchangeable. It's not necessarily seen in the "ships of the line" like star destroyers. It is, however, part of almost every design for support ships. The imperial Nebula frigates, the smaller SD styled escorts and etc. And the rebellion then took this a step further by having an entire fleet of ships with easily modified and refitted systems as often as possible, including their heaviest cruisers like entire MC line.
Jamie Robinson vulture droid is more maneuverable tie fighters had no shielding and since vulture droids were not piloted by humans so they can take some hits and vulture droids had somewhat shielding so vulture droids will win for sure
I'd give that to the Vulture droid, Tie has to cannons right? Vulture had two to four cannons and four buzz droid missiles couple that with the fact that the Vulture droid can pull off moves that would turn the tie pilot into a bloody mural (i wouldn't want to have to clean that mess up!) plus the TIE was a glass cannon
You're probably right about the outcome, but I'd like to see you stop considering all turbolasers to be equal. Even a cursory glance at the Minificent-class will show you that it has turbolasers of vastly different strengths.
Great video. It's awesome you have new videos so frequently unlike some channels I follow that won't put out new content for a week or longer. If I could suggest The Outrider vs Slave 2.
I would've given this one a 7.5 times out of ten to the Munificent, at most. Seems to me that the Dreadnaught is the sturdier of the two ships, less armed though it may be. Still, great work!
As I see it simple turbolasers that can be used for point defence are like the 127mm Dual Porpouse artillery pieces on WWII ships. They are useful for blanketing an area with flak or against manouverable and lightly armoured ships, like corvettes and frigates, but wouldnt do mutch besides scratch the paintjob on a dedicated combat capital ship, like either of these. On the other hand, heavy turbolasers are the slow firing long range heavy hitters used to crack the shell of any vessel. And since the Dreadnought has more of those, and both of these ships should be effectively immune to light turbolaser fire, it has the distinct weapons advantage.
Nebulon-B is a frigate, not an Star Destroyer/Crusier. If you're referring to the Nebula Star Destroyer, then your pitting something made to counter ISDs against an ISD.
Okay, I just thought of this. What about the Harrower-Class Dreadnought vs the Resurgent-Class Battlecruiser. I believe it will be an awesome battle, hearing the end of a battle between the backbone of the Sith Empire's fleet vs. the First Order's show of power. Like if you agree!
arc 170 would win, it has more firepower (aswell as a pilot co pilot a back gunner and a astromech i believe, which im pretty sure is more than the x wings measly one pilot and one astromech, unless the x wing can hold a pilot and co pilot but im pretty sure it can only carry a single pilot) sure the arc 170 is slower but it (most likley, not 100% sure though) can take more hits both shield wise and hull wise (or atleast ne of the two) so its durability which is similiar to the x wing and its larger weapon loadout pretty much ensures its victory, the only way i can think of for the x wing to win is try and use hit and run tactics to strike it and then run and strike it again when able...but im no star wars ship expert so this is just my opion and what im asuming these starfighters can do...but if we do go to the indivual pilots clones were bred for the purpose of war..where as rebel pilots are lack luster, they have no skill but they do have expierence..but thats irrelevant since they would have equal skill pilots in the match up
Braha'tok-class gunship vs CR90 Corvette. Both similar craft and it would be nice to consider how the battle would turn out depending on whether the corvette had the externally mounted A-wings.
It's all about the doctrine. 10 munificents, 1 lucrehulk battleship and as much as vulture droid fighters. Lucrehulk to lead the way forward, munificent to support and widen the battlewidth, fighters to not get bomb by bombers. This is the formula. However, for the republic, It's basically everyship is out there to be competent enough. If you take any CIS ship out and compare with their Counterparts probably the other side wins.
I think that dreadnaught definitely is better defensively. Whilst their shields are similar, the dreadnaught appears to have a strong hull, whereas the munificent has shown to have a weak hull once the shields break.
Eckharts I noticed that kept calling back on the weakness of the dreadnougt but never told anything weakness wise (most torbo lasers being located underneath and pointed down) like there used for orbital bombardment
My only thought on the comparison is based on Legends you keep saying standard fit, but Rendil drive yards leased the Dreadnought design to thousands of shipyards that each tweaked the design so there was no standard fit. Depending on what Legends source you are using the CIS Providence cruiser is one of the Dreadnought variations.
Isd..to me it just seems more hevily armed and armoured compared to t he providence (depending on which model of the providence you mean) but im no swse(star wars ship expert...im lazy okay?) so its just my opinion/asumption
Munificent is my favourite ship! Would like to see a artiquens class light cruiser (imperial command cruiser) go up against something, that's my favourite republic/imperial ship!
It has more firepower than a Venator! Not counting the star fighter. Even so, droid fighters can latch onto the outside of it, same with the powerful Providence. It was a beast in legends and I’m all about quantity over quality. The CIS Navy is underrated 😡
Not sure if you'll read this but there is actually sourcebooks that compare these two ships (albeit in different books, but cross compatible and produced by the same people), these books being the sourcebooks for Fantasy Flight Games tabletop RPG (the newest ones being canon too). I'll save the less useful details and put the following (its somewhat abstracted). Speed wise, both ships are comparable however the Dreadnaught is considerably more sluggish, and while the Munificent has shields which are just above twice as powerful as those of the Dreadnaught, where as the Dreadnaught has some of the heaviest armor of any other ship its size (they are mentioned to be amongst the most durable vessels ever made). That being said, when it comes to weaponry the Dreadnaught is completely outclassed: the Dreadnaught has more /heavy/ weapons, whereas the Munificent has vastly more weapons in general, in addition the Munificent's main gun is powerful enough to disregard the Dreadnaught's shields AND armor. Starfighter wise the Dreadnaught actually has space for twelve fighters in it's small hangar, whereas the Munificent has room for a minimum of twelve (up to thirty six non-droid fighters). The only real way I can see the Dreadnaught winning is if it preforms a ramming manuever as soon as possible so it can exploit its superior armor and hull strength compared to the relatively fragile but well shielded Munificent.
No I have an intangible most munificent weapons on the underside if you can get about the ship it's very weak also dreadnoughts were known for being quiet sturdy usually taking typical front line ships awhile to take them out
The main difference between these vessels is not their firepower, protection or mobility, but is in fact one is designed and crewed as a warship and the other is crewed as an armed merchantman. In battle this would show itself mainly in that the Dreadnought would have stronger infrastructure and the ability to take casualties without substantially losing combat efficiency, whilst the Munificent would beginning failing as soon as it starts taking damage (not enough redundancies or crew to maintain it with casualties). :-) So yes the Munificent would probably start with an edge but this would soon begin to be reversed as damage is taken by both vessels.
Dress had superior armor so it could take more punishment. Also as an intangible the munificent wasn't automated in the traditional since. It was crewed primarily by b1 battle droids. This means as damage mounts the munificent will have far less effective damage control. In the hands of a living crew the ship could easily outmaneuver a dreadnought but as you have placed this as the standard compliment this would not be the case in your matchup. Under normal circumstances as you have stated in a one-on-one fight the Dreadnought should have a significant advantage.
I liked the Dreadnought since Star Wars Rebellion cheap to produce and brings a lot of fire power. I recently purchased one in Star Wars Combine for the hell of it.
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd iits just who ever fires 1st with whould be the 2nd death star because it only took a few seconds where star killer base take 40 seconds
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd The Death Star was a lot smaller than the Starkiller so it would be relatively hard to hit. It could just orbit around the back of the Starkiller and fire. Also, DS2 was very fast at firing. It could fire a low power shot every 3 minutes (not sure about planet destruction level though). On the other hand, the Starkiller took a long time to first find a star to drain and then it had to go through a long firing process.
Death Star wins 10/10 times. The starkiller base cannot for example shoot behind itself so the Death Star could just go behind it and fire. Also the starkiller fail, i mean base takes a lot longer to charge, days probably. The death star 2 takes an hour to charge full power.
That was very good & even though you did your best with the Source Materials. What would've been your best guess on what the Dreadnaught would've had during the Clone Wars? I'm guessing it was Retro-Fitted to be a Pre-Imperial Dreadnaught, but it still had some of the Pre-Clone Wars Features. Anywho, Liberator Cruiser (Rebel Alliance with the Fighter Carrying Capacity of 6 & the Troop Carrying Capacity of 3) versus the Imperial series of Star Destroyers (FCC:6 & TCC:3).
Can you do The Providence Class Dreadnought a.k.a. CIS Dreadnought vs the Imperial II Class Star Destroyer. For the Providence can it be the larger version of the Dreadnought or it would be slaughtered. Also great vid.
While the Munificent frigate is way more heavily armed then the dreadnaught is, the munificent suffers from not being able to do broadsides, they have to get above a target to really bring their full armament to bear. The dreadnought can engage head to head or do broadsides and it has incredibly thick armor and these ships were so powerful that they were sought after even after and during the galactic war and were used as frontline ships up into the vong war. The dreadnaughts bridge was well protected and so were it's shield generators, but it was a very slow ship that really lacked in sublight engines. Also the dreadnought was 80 years old by the time of the clone wars and was crewed by 14,000 personal but they did manage to get it down to 2,200. O and you did miss something the dreadnought actually did have ion cannons to but no one knows how many. I personally would give it to the munificent still though because the dreadnaught had a shit ton of armor to counteract the fact that it' slow and the munificent class frigate could not do very effective broadsides. While the dreadnaught could engage both forwardly and from the side.
1. Venator-class Star Destroyer vs Harrower-class dreadnought 2. Kom'rk-class fighter vs X-wing starfighter 3. Victory I-class Star Destroyer vs Harrower-class dreadnought 4. Gladiator-class Star Destroyer vs Quasar Fire-class cruiser-carrier 5. Aggressor-class Star Destroyer vs Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer 6. Keldabe-class battleship vs Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer
1- id say the harrower....sure it was produced much earlier than the venator and probably could not cary no where near as many fighters (and no where near as good ones at that) but from what i can hear about the two the venator is lightly armed compared to other capital ships of its time..and the harrower from what i know is exceptionaly well armed..so id say the harrower wins but if the venator can manage to deploy its fighters then it might be a different story as far as the victory 1 v harrower goes same harrower wins..sure the victory was even newer tech than the venator but again even the victory seems lack luster compared to the harrower..but im no star wars ship expert so thi is just my assumption
I don't know if anyone answered and I know this ship isn't in the video but the nebulon b carried fighters on that small connection between the man ship and the engine this is shown in the empire strikes back with the falcon
Always loved the look of the munificent, probably my favourite star wars ship of all time.
*the republic would like to know your location*
These two may well have faced each other in the Clone Wars
I'd disagree with your some of your assessment. The Munificent-class had the majority of its armament forward. Clone Wars showed what happened when it was attacked on the flanks. The Dreadnought-class has a decent forward firing arc, but its main armament was concentrated in weapons blisters on the port and starboard sides of the hull. If the ships faced each other in combat broadside-to-broadside, the Dreadnought has the upper hand because it has more concentrated fire in those arcs.
This is just me nitpicking, but you seem to ignore firing arcs in your videos. For example, in Iron Fist, Mon Remonda was able to take on the SSD Iron Fist by utilizing its firing arcs and limiting those of the Iron Fist. Just something to keep in mind for future videos.
firing arcs are very important in naval warfare
when they meet up it wouldn't be able to dodge the front heavy weapons of the munifcent.
I agree with you. A lot of ships would actually have an advantage over something else simply because of targeting blindspots.
@@admiraltroll5255 the dreadnaught could still withstand a lot of damage. I think that it could survive quite a few shots from the Munificent.
I disagree. From what it sounds like in the eu the dreadnuaght was slow and not very maneuverable meenwhile as was shown in rge clone wars tv show and the eu the munificesent was veryfast and maneuverable for its size. Likely they would run across eachorher in a head on position. The munifecent could totaly keep the dreadnout in front of it if it wanted exposing it to that heavy dual terbolaser and tearing it to ribons this would even work a great distance as they are long range turbolasers. This especialy bad if the dreadnouts best firing arch is a broad side because this bot only incrases its profile making it a larger target for that heavy tubolaser but would also partially expose its engine block stoping it dead in tis tracks. Aslo the heavey turbolaser will have a very easy tame with the dreadbouts sheilds seinf as how in the clone wars it riped through the shields of venators wich had better shielding than the dreadnaut. This also makes logical sense since its hiting the shield with a lot more energy in one place. Also the cabons were fired on barell and then the other si that one would weaken the shield and the other would rip through the shield and hit the ship. This gun was also very rapid and could likely be concentrated on one area fo long periods of time. If i were comanding thr munifecent i would do one of to things
1. Divert all energy to rear sheilds and forward thrusters geting out of its fireing range and than hamering at it with the twin heavy turbolaaer preferably from a vertacle side ways position as to cover more surface area.
2. Speed behind it and dstroy the engines and then just do the rest of the first option. Personly i like them both but prefer the latter. Even if it were the imperial version with fighters and more weapons from a distance they still be useles the plasma dissipating before they even touched the ship. And even if it did have fighters knowing the empire i dout that they would be dedicated bombers as well as that their most common bomber was slow and unshielded as well as had a pretty weak ship to ship payload. TIE bombers would be riped to parts by even the munificents turbolasers. And tie fighters interceptors and even defenders would be plucked from the sky by its point defense guns. The munifecebt is both more rounded and more specialised at the same time. Its overall a better ship.
Sorry i know my spelling and gamer are bad im just a flusterd fan boy ranting.
I've always loved hearing about these types of older ships since the info on them is so vague in the novels , unless your going through every detail with a fine comb. Thanks for all the hard work you do .
But the heavy cruiser always wins. You just gotta press that power to weapons ability and the Munificent will burn.
What if it has an anti-missle point defense system instead?
Well you press that button and your shield evaporates, which means your Turbolasers get hit first.
But what if the Munificant does so too? 🤔
@@thimovijfschaft3271 awww f*ck
The real advantage is that the munificent has missle scrambling systems, while the dreadnought lacks missles, meaning that the munificents ability which is normally powerful becomes irrelevant
The Dreadnaught is rapidly becoming my favourite ship in Star Wars. It looks so adorably sad. Like it knows how much bad luck its creators are having and that nobody really likes it and only gets it because they can't get anything else. Constantly living in the shadow of newer ships it still soldiers on, even against the Yuuzhan Vong!
Somebody should arrange a deal between the New Republic and Rendili Stardrive regarding the production of Rebel Class Assault Frigates, the younger sister of the Dreadnaught and a fairly capable ship. I am sure that Rendili with all their cleverness can mass produce it.
If I recall, the AF was literally a refitted MK.II Dreadnought
A wing versus the first order special forces tie fighter
+Seagull Man good luck
EckhartsLadder thank you
EckhartsLadder, could you please do the Millennium Falcon vs the Ebon Hawk?
The Munificent and the Dreadnought were both in the Clone Wars Mod for Star Wars Empire at War. The mods official name was "Republic at War". This isn't a official cannon source but it's still a good reference.
YES and I love the munificent I used over 50 of that ship in a fleet and destroyed a fleet of venators
Thank you so much! I had been waiting for this match-up with great anticipation! :-)
I LOVE the dreadnaught, although it's clunky and needy in terms of crew. I've been fascinated by the dreadnaught ever since I first read about the Katana Fleet back in high school (late 90's early 2000's).
The Dreadnought's only intangible I can think of is its forward profile is immensely smaller, meaning a literal head-to-head might favor the Dreadnought but the Munificent has it outstripped in its shared era.
Please cover the Death Star (or 5 Reapers) VS Unicron
Millennium Falcon vs the ghost (rebels)
Greedo The Dorito
That's a good one
Finally some one else asks for this one
that is a good one, both are somewhat similary armed (ghost has more guns though) and the flacon is larger. i think this would be good.
been saying that each vid
Brian Berthold same lol
(Second Try) What about an MC90 star cruiser vs Anakin Solo/Black Annie (Jacen Solo's Flagship)?
+Thomas Parry good luck!
Thomas Parry I'm with ya
serious question(s).
How do you tell the power of the different weapons in star wars?
The prefix of Heavy and Light seem to be subjective in relation to the weapon name and craft its on.
single, duel, and quad seems self explanatory, but turbo laser looks to be a duel turret.
blaster seems to be the smallest, hand held or small craft.
then laser, about starfighter size, then turbo laser for capital ship.
problem is, you have laser and turbo laser; duel and quad used almost interchangeably to describe both anti starfighter, anti ship roles.
the Victory class is described as having only laser weapons, (anti star fighter) but is about equal with a Dreadnought that has turbo lasers.
then you have the single HUGE mounts, like the Munificent's two forward turbo cannons and ions.
seriously, how do you sort this out?
Thomas Parry No! MC90 Corvette vs Republic Frigate
Luke Skywalker
The MC90 is a Mon Calamari Cruiser, designed and first built around 6 years after the Battle of Endor. I believe you are thinking of the CR90 Corvette, a.k.a the Corellian Corvette.
venator vs harrower
my two fevirete ships!!!
Harrower all the way.
Harrower has for fire power but Venator has better starfighters
Harrower is an old ass ship
clone wars gunship vs U-wing!
Not a bad match-up, but I think the U-Wing comes out on top because it has flight configuration (wings foils facing back) and deflector shields.
This is my speculations, but, if the U-Wing was destroyed by TIE Strikers, then it's shields wouldn't matter against the sheer numbers of weapons the Republic gunships have.
4 composite beam laser turrets, 2 or 3 anti-personnel laser turrets, 2 mass driver missiles (30 missiles each), and 4 light air-to-air rockets under each wing.
The U-Wing has 2 laser turrets and and atleast 1 door-mounted ion blaster.
And that's only if the U-Wing has enough firepower to destroy a gunship. Currently, the only things that have destroyed a gunship in canon are Geonosian Starfighters (which use purple ammo), Umbaran Starfighters (which use green ammo), and proton cannons. Correct me if I'm wrong. The most the U-Wing could do is get some shots on the Gunship and, hopefully, it gets destroyed. Or the Rebels can improvise and kill the pilots in it.
I don't actually believe it's anti-personnel turrets on the gunship could take out the U-Wing. The Composite Beams or the rockets definitely could.
The U-Wing is faster than the gunship, but not impossible to hit. If one of the composite gunners can get a shot on it, or if the pilot can get a missile lock on it, game over.
Very nice assessment, Lord Vader, but take this into account:
This will be an in atmospheric conflict, given the LAAT can't withstand prolong engagement in the vacuum of space. The maximum atmospheric speed of the LAAT is 620 KPH while the U-Wing has a maximum atmospheric speed of 950 KPH; much faster than the LAAT.
On top of that, the U-Wing's flight configuration increases the coverage of it's deflector shields. The LAAT has strong armor, but no shields. and given that the U-Wing has no problem taking down Imperial Walkers that are much heavily armored, it can take on the LAAT in a couple of strife runs.
The only thing the LAAT has that can put a dent on the U-Wing are it's rockets, but I believe the U-Wing can outmaneuver them. Laser from the LAAT will have little effect, the U-Wing's shields can hold.
In the Battle of Scariff, the Rebels had one U-Wing on the planet. That U-Wing was able to take down at least 2 AT-ACTs, some Tie Strikers, deploy troops on the beach, provide air support until it was shut down by Tie Strikers squadrons that had stronger cannons and was a designated dog fighter.
The LAAT was designed as a dropship and could defend itself, it wasn't a starfighter. The U-Wing wasn't designed as a starfighter either, but it could serve that role. I just believe that the technological advantages, speed , maneuverability and weapons systems of the U-Wing can outperform the LAAT.
I was going to bet on the U-wing but your argument changed my mind. I guess the biggest edge the U-wing has is that it is faster and has a hyperdrive, so it could always get away. Gunships were really designed to put soldiers on the ground and back to low orbit, not to pursue proper spacecraft like the U-Wing (Gunships are really repulsorcraft fitted for low-orbit they're not "proper" spaceships).
GSarge17 Only thing about that match up is that AT-ACT's were inferior to the AT-AT's and used magnetic locks to keep the legs from collapsing under the weight of the hull. Bistan's U Wing used ion repeater which took out and magnetic lock on the joints, and therefore the walker. The rebels didn't have any weapons planetside that could handle the AT ACT's otherwise.
Show the clip of you slap boxing your dog more often. That was awesome and it times perfectly with your musoc.
Mc75 profundity vs Victory II star destroyer ( 4th try baby ! )
I'm personally a fan of the Munificent. There's one thing to note about that ship - its weaponry may not be as powerful as that of an Imperial-spec Dreadnought, but it has a range advantage. In a pitched battle where both ships approach at sublight, that's a huge advantage. This range advantage combined with the superior maneuverability would allow the Munificent to "kite" the Dreadnought, staying out of the effective range of the more heavily armed vessel while chipping away at its shields and hull with its heavy turbolasers.
There is no way in hell the Dreadnought needed tens of thousands of crew members. I doubt there is any possible way you could FIT that many people inside it.
Throwing them against each other on Empire at war the dreadnaught wins every time.
Fall of the republic I managed to stop an 18 munificent death stack with a bunch of dreadnaughts
Basically an unstoppable force vs an immovable object
Still would like to see the U.S.S Enterprise E vs Victory II Star Destroyer
OK, how could a 600 meter long ship pack in tens of thousands of crewmembers. Thats insane.
The Munificent has one big weakpoint: The bridge. It sticks out by a lot and the front is made out of a glass like material, that is easy to break and once the shields are down the bridge is easily destroyed. And you could see in episode 3 that the glass can even be easily broken with smaller hard objects. That was a Providence but that one uses the same material.
victory I Star Destroyer vs Venator
+Sidney Schnyder interesting
Sidney Schnyder I'd call it a narrow victory to the Venator because of the starfighters it could carry
Sidney Schnyder
That wouldn't be a fair fight
Joeseph Hunnicutt how
Joeseph Hunnicutt it even says in this video that they are similar
T-70 X Wing vs E-Wing (Cannon vs Legend SSF - could be good..)
I do miss these old vs, reminds me of where this channel started
mc80 home one vs mc80 liberty?
+I ain't no Fish perhaps!
can i have a shout out too
I feel like we are getting too many MC80 videos.. It's getting kinda tired some and he always seems to like the MC80 more.. (It sounds like it anyways.)
but its mc80 vs mc80?
Exactly. I'm tired of the rebel ships having unfair advantage jsut because they are his favorite. We are not here to look at what he likes, we are here to look at facts.
never noticed how much the dreadnought looks like a battlestar without the side hanger pontoons
Funny you mention those, i'd like to see a match-up involving the Victory I, so i'd say we need to see a Victory I vs Venator :)
i know this is a star gate ship but i like to see a Daedalus-class battlecruiser vs a star destroy
or a mc 80
Love you're work my man
The Munificent also had 2 armor plating that have high resistance to laser weaponry making the Munificent stronger as the Munificent could move to a position to block the shot
Trade Federation Battleship is one of my all-time favorites!
I think the imperial dreadnought is an example of the Kuat and other imperial manufacturers learning lessons from the clone wars in retrofitting. Where they had to make weapons platforms and other essential resource heavy capital ship systems interchangeable. It's not necessarily seen in the "ships of the line" like star destroyers. It is, however, part of almost every design for support ships. The imperial Nebula frigates, the smaller SD styled escorts and etc. And the rebellion then took this a step further by having an entire fleet of ships with easily modified and refitted systems as often as possible, including their heaviest cruisers like entire MC line.
Great Video!
+Victor Pereira thanks!
tie fighter vs vulture Droid
Jamie Robinson Tie
Jamie Robinson vulture droid is more maneuverable tie fighters had no shielding and since vulture droids were not piloted by humans so they can take some hits and vulture droids had somewhat shielding so vulture droids will win for sure
vultures had shields?
Vulture don't have shields their are meant to over power their enemy with numbers same as tie fighters.
I'd give that to the Vulture droid, Tie has to cannons right? Vulture had two to four cannons and four buzz droid missiles couple that with the fact that the Vulture droid can pull off moves that would turn the tie pilot into a bloody mural (i wouldn't want to have to clean that mess up!) plus the TIE was a glass cannon
You're probably right about the outcome, but I'd like to see you stop considering all turbolasers to be equal. Even a cursory glance at the Minificent-class will show you that it has turbolasers of vastly different strengths.
I really like the design of the Dreadnaught better than the Munificent. It's simplistic and recognizable, that's enough for me.
Great video. It's awesome you have new videos so frequently unlike some channels I follow that won't put out new content for a week or longer. If I could suggest The Outrider vs Slave 2.
+R3DMAN MADNESS glad you enjoy!
Allegiance class Star destroyer vs MC 90
nice match up. i put these two against each other in republic aw and the results are indeed the same as this video
+Mauro Moens :)
Imperial class star destroyer vs Farragut class battlecruser (elite dangerous)
Harrower-Class dreadnaught vs Venator-Class star destroyer
Harrower-class Dreadnaught vs. Victory 2-class Star Destroyer
High charity vs the Death Star one and each side gets 12 supporting carriers
I would've given this one a 7.5 times out of ten to the Munificent, at most. Seems to me that the Dreadnaught is the sturdier of the two ships, less armed though it may be. Still, great work!
As I see it simple turbolasers that can be used for point defence are like the 127mm Dual Porpouse artillery pieces on WWII ships. They are useful for blanketing an area with flak or against manouverable and lightly armoured ships, like corvettes and frigates, but wouldnt do mutch besides scratch the paintjob on a dedicated combat capital ship, like either of these.
On the other hand, heavy turbolasers are the slow firing long range heavy hitters used to crack the shell of any vessel. And since the Dreadnought has more of those, and both of these ships should be effectively immune to light turbolaser fire, it has the distinct weapons advantage.
mc 75 versus imperial 1 class star destroyer
or if you dont like the mc 75 versus imperial 1 class star destroyer
nebulon class star destroyer vs imperial 2 class star destroyer
Nebulon-B is a frigate, not an Star Destroyer/Crusier. If you're referring to the Nebula Star Destroyer, then your pitting something made to counter ISDs against an ISD.
Okay, I just thought of this. What about the Harrower-Class Dreadnought vs the Resurgent-Class Battlecruiser. I believe it will be an awesome battle, hearing the end of a battle between the backbone of the Sith Empire's fleet vs. the First Order's show of power. Like if you agree!
Arc 170 vs X wing
arc 170 would win, it has more firepower (aswell as a pilot co pilot a back gunner and a astromech i believe, which im pretty sure is more than the x wings measly one pilot and one astromech, unless the x wing can hold a pilot and co pilot but im pretty sure it can only carry a single pilot) sure the arc 170 is slower but it (most likley, not 100% sure though) can take more hits both shield wise and hull wise (or atleast ne of the two) so its durability which is similiar to the x wing and its larger weapon loadout pretty much ensures its victory, the only way i can think of for the x wing to win is try and use hit and run tactics to strike it and then run and strike it again when able...but im no star wars ship expert so this is just my opion and what im asuming these starfighters can do...but if we do go to the indivual pilots clones were bred for the purpose of war..where as rebel pilots are lack luster, they have no skill but they do have expierence..but thats irrelevant since they would have equal skill pilots in the match up
Braha'tok-class gunship vs CR90 Corvette. Both similar craft and it would be nice to consider how the battle would turn out depending on whether the corvette had the externally mounted A-wings.
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+Poseidon Gaming thanks man! You can help by sharing and posting my vids :)
imperial freighter vs Harrower class dreadnought
The Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser has always been a favorite of mine
It's all about the doctrine.
10 munificents, 1 lucrehulk battleship and as much as vulture droid fighters. Lucrehulk to lead the way forward, munificent to support and widen the battlewidth, fighters to not get bomb by bombers. This is the formula. However, for the republic, It's basically everyship is out there to be competent enough. If you take any CIS ship out and compare with their Counterparts probably the other side wins.
Dreadnaught aims for the Munificent's bridge tower. Boom.
I think that dreadnaught definitely is better defensively. Whilst their shields are similar, the dreadnaught appears to have a strong hull, whereas the munificent has shown to have a weak hull once the shields break.
love watching dude
Anyone else just watch these again
Republic Mandator II-class Star Dreadnaught vs Imperial Bellator-class Star Dreadnought!
malevolence vs the merciless hand
Eckharts I noticed that kept calling back on the weakness of the dreadnougt but never told anything weakness wise
(most torbo lasers being located underneath and pointed down)
like there used for orbital bombardment
In Legends it said that the Dreadnaught was a design from the Old Republic days.
pre-clone wars Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser vs a Old Republic Kandosii-type Dreadnought!
My only thought on the comparison is based on Legends you keep saying standard fit, but Rendil drive yards leased the Dreadnought design to thousands of shipyards that each tweaked the design so there was no standard fit. Depending on what Legends source you are using the CIS Providence cruiser is one of the Dreadnought variations.
I like the munificent more and you should do munificent vs nebulon b also I think that A munificent could destroy A imperial dreadnaught. Great vid!
Providence vs Imperial I-class Star Destroyer
Isd..to me it just seems more hevily armed and armoured compared to t he providence (depending on which model of the providence you mean) but im no swse(star wars ship expert...im lazy okay?) so its just my opinion/asumption
Munificent is my favourite ship!
Would like to see a artiquens class light cruiser (imperial command cruiser) go up against something, that's my favourite republic/imperial ship!
It has more firepower than a Venator! Not counting the star fighter. Even so, droid fighters can latch onto the outside of it, same with the powerful Providence. It was a beast in legends and I’m all about quantity over quality. The CIS Navy is underrated 😡
In the future you should do fleet battles consisting of many ships.
Resurgent-Class Star Destroyer vs Starhawk-Class Battleship.
Not sure if you'll read this but there is actually sourcebooks that compare these two ships (albeit in different books, but cross compatible and produced by the same people), these books being the sourcebooks for Fantasy Flight Games tabletop RPG (the newest ones being canon too).
I'll save the less useful details and put the following (its somewhat abstracted). Speed wise, both ships are comparable however the Dreadnaught is considerably more sluggish, and while the Munificent has shields which are just above twice as powerful as those of the Dreadnaught, where as the Dreadnaught has some of the heaviest armor of any other ship its size (they are mentioned to be amongst the most durable vessels ever made).
That being said, when it comes to weaponry the Dreadnaught is completely outclassed: the Dreadnaught has more /heavy/ weapons, whereas the Munificent has vastly more weapons in general, in addition the Munificent's main gun is powerful enough to disregard the Dreadnaught's shields AND armor. Starfighter wise the Dreadnaught actually has space for twelve fighters in it's small hangar, whereas the Munificent has room for a minimum of twelve (up to thirty six non-droid fighters).
The only real way I can see the Dreadnaught winning is if it preforms a ramming manuever as soon as possible so it can exploit its superior armor and hull strength compared to the relatively fragile but well shielded Munificent.
General grievous assult fleet on corosaunt vs the unsc home fleet, both at the start of the battle
Ooh! Hammerhead corvette (Rebels.. not KOTOR). V.S. Gozanti cruiser (imperial version). That would be great!
No I have an intangible most munificent weapons on the underside if you can get about the ship it's very weak also dreadnoughts were known for being quiet sturdy usually taking typical front line ships awhile to take them out
how about a classic one: MC 80 "Liberty" vs. Imperial II Class SD.
Mark 1 Rebel Assault Frigate vs a Modified Imperial Nebulon Frigate
The secutor class star destroyer vs The venator class star destroyer ( or the secutor class vs the victory 1 class) please
I love confederate starships!
Recusant-class Light Destroyer vs Liberty-class Mon Calamari Cruiser
Kandosii-type dreadnought vs the horrower class dreadnought
The main difference between these vessels is not their firepower, protection or mobility, but is in fact one is designed and crewed as a warship and the other is crewed as an armed merchantman. In battle this would show itself mainly in that the Dreadnought would have stronger infrastructure and the ability to take casualties without substantially losing combat efficiency, whilst the Munificent would beginning failing as soon as it starts taking damage (not enough redundancies or crew to maintain it with casualties). :-)
So yes the Munificent would probably start with an edge but this would soon begin to be reversed as damage is taken by both vessels.
Dress had superior armor so it could take more punishment. Also as an intangible the munificent wasn't automated in the traditional since. It was crewed primarily by b1 battle droids. This means as damage mounts the munificent will have far less effective damage control. In the hands of a living crew the ship could easily outmaneuver a dreadnought but as you have placed this as the standard compliment this would not be the case in your matchup. Under normal circumstances as you have stated in a one-on-one fight the Dreadnought should have a significant advantage.
Eckhart's Ladder Were you able to attend the Star Wars Battlefront II stream?
I liked the Dreadnought since Star Wars Rebellion cheap to produce and brings a lot of fire power. I recently purchased one in Star Wars Combine for the hell of it.
Death Star 2 (completed) vs star killer base
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd iits just who ever fires 1st with whould be the 2nd death star because it only took a few seconds where star killer base take 40 seconds
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd The Death Star was a lot smaller than the Starkiller so it would be relatively hard to hit. It could just orbit around the back of the Starkiller and fire.
Also, DS2 was very fast at firing. It could fire a low power shot every 3 minutes (not sure about planet destruction level though). On the other hand, the Starkiller took a long time to first find a star to drain and then it had to go through a long firing process.
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd
death star because it cpuld fire faster and without a sun
Death Star wins 10/10 times. The starkiller base cannot for example shoot behind itself so the Death Star could just go behind it and fire. Also the starkiller fail, i mean base takes a lot longer to charge, days probably. The death star 2 takes an hour to charge full power.
+ NorthPlayyyer It's actually 3 minutes
i know. weird
What about the pelleon star destroyer vs Ascendancy star destroyer
It would be cool, if you could compare the Vulture-Droid Starfighter to the TIE-Fighter or the Tri-Droid Starfighter to the Tie-Interceptor
Imperial Storm Commando Escort Carrier vs. Quasar Fire-Class-Cruiser-Carrier (Phoenix Home)
the Praetor Mark 2 Class-Battlecruiser vs Resurgent Class-Star Destroyer (6th time trying)
That was very good & even though you did your best with the Source Materials.
What would've been your best guess on what the Dreadnaught would've had during the Clone Wars? I'm guessing it was Retro-Fitted to be a Pre-Imperial Dreadnaught, but it still had some of the Pre-Clone Wars Features.
Anywho, Liberator Cruiser (Rebel Alliance with the Fighter Carrying Capacity of 6 & the Troop Carrying Capacity of 3) versus the Imperial series of Star Destroyers (FCC:6 & TCC:3).
MC80b vs Providence class dreadnought?
Can you do The Providence Class Dreadnought a.k.a. CIS Dreadnought vs the Imperial II Class Star Destroyer. For the Providence can it be the larger version of the Dreadnought or it would be slaughtered.
Also great vid.
While the Munificent frigate is way more heavily armed then the dreadnaught is, the munificent suffers from not being able to do broadsides, they have to get above a target to really bring their full armament to bear.
The dreadnought can engage head to head or do broadsides and it has incredibly thick armor and these ships were so powerful that they were sought after even after and during the galactic war and were used as frontline ships up into the vong war.
The dreadnaughts bridge was well protected and so were it's shield generators, but it was a very slow ship that really lacked in sublight engines.
Also the dreadnought was 80 years old by the time of the clone wars and was crewed by 14,000 personal but they did manage to get it down to 2,200.
O and you did miss something the dreadnought actually did have ion cannons to but no one knows how many.
I personally would give it to the munificent still though because the dreadnaught had a shit ton of armor to counteract the fact that it' slow and the munificent class frigate could not do very effective broadsides. While the dreadnaught could engage both forwardly and from the side.
Secutor-class Star Destroyer vs Lucrehulk
1. Venator-class Star Destroyer vs Harrower-class dreadnought
2. Kom'rk-class fighter vs X-wing starfighter
3. Victory I-class Star Destroyer vs Harrower-class dreadnought
4. Gladiator-class Star Destroyer vs Quasar Fire-class cruiser-carrier
5. Aggressor-class Star Destroyer vs Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer
6. Keldabe-class battleship vs Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer
1- id say the harrower....sure it was produced much earlier than the venator and probably could not cary no where near as many fighters (and no where near as good ones at that) but from what i can hear about the two the venator is lightly armed compared to other capital ships of its time..and the harrower from what i know is exceptionaly well armed..so id say the harrower wins but if the venator can manage to deploy its fighters then it might be a different story
as far as the victory 1 v harrower goes same harrower wins..sure the victory was even newer tech than the venator but again even the victory seems lack luster compared to the harrower..but im no star wars ship expert so thi is just my assumption
The kadalbe vs the sovereign oh boy
Arquitens-class light cruiser vs Consular-class frigate
I don't know if anyone answered and I know this ship isn't in the video but the nebulon b carried fighters on that small connection between the man ship and the engine this is shown in the empire strikes back with the falcon
Modified YT1300 Light Freighter (Milenium Falcon) vs Modified Firespray patrol ship (Slave 1)
I have a idea The T-65 x-Wing versus arc 170 Starfighter
you should do a battleship class lucerhulk vs the super star destroyer
Awesome video :)
You sound a little tired though. Are you all right?