The GREATEST Anti-Starfighter Frigate...that the Imps wasted (Lancer-class)
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The Lancer-class Frigate was the greatest anti-starfighter frigate perhaps in the entire history of Star Wars fleets. It was the perfect answer to the Rebel Alliance use of X-Wings, A-Wings, and Y-Wings, and would address the shortcomings of the Imperial Star Destroyers, and could have easily defended the Death Star and Super Star Destroyers. See how the Lancer-class could have been used, and was used correctly by Thrawn and the New Republic.
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Ah yes, the staple anti-fighter ship of every Empire At War mod.
Isn't it in the base game?
@@argosime no
The base game has the Tartan Patrol cruiser that is similar but has far less guns so becomes obsolete pretty quick IMO.
@@arthurfrayn7619base game it shreds fighters with it's overcharge.
@@TheMock5000 True but they costs 2 points (space battles are usually limited to 20 total) and once you unlock Victory Cruisers they cost 3 points. You get a big tough ship and a bunch of TIE fighters and a few bombers for free with those. That package deal is hard to beat; more versatile IMO.
The Lancers put the fear of Force in Rebel pilots. But they were also very, very weak even to fighters. Rogue Squadron was able to mission kill one with twenty two torpedos which left one a burning hulk. That's not a huge amount of firepower to take out a ship of it's size. And (at least initially) the guns had massive maintenance issues - the Imperial sourcebook saidt hat on any given day maybe half the guns would be offline. When Corran Horn is buzzing one he's sending back guncam footage to the other Rogues to spot towers that were offlined.
Technical problems could be solved but the frigate did have some major issues beyond just tactical utilization. Kilogram for kilogram, the Raider class frigate was a much better anti-starfighter platform that could perform more missions.
I played the SW-Strategy-Game _Rebellion_ once as the Empire and I built well over a hundred of these things. The Rebels' starfighters constantly had a hard time.
I’d protect my Death Star with Lancers and Victory 2s at a 3:1 ratio. Also, max cap Tie Defenders.
Where can I download that game? Is it on steam?
@@Ally.Cat.252 Haven’t been on BitTorrent in years, but I would think it would be there…
*Fun fact:* The last Lancer ship was used was during the Dark Nest Crisis by Raynar Thul, a student of Luke who during the Yuuzhan Vong wars was lost in the Unknown Regions and became Lord of the Killiks
14:23 For example, Raith Sienar was inspired by ETA-2 and Alpha-3 to create the TIE line.
Maybe it's with a companies that copies Smartphone copies one another.
There also may be a lot of poaching of each other’s talent happening between these corporations.
Well the Lancer-class was based on basic design of the Carrack-class light cruiser and the Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser, both were old designs by the time of The Empire as the Dreadnaught-class was first seen in use 80 years before Clone Wars. All three ships and a number of other ships were all build based on classic Mandalorian Kandosii-type Dreadnaught which dated back all the way to the Mandalorian Wars.
Updated, Smaller, Modern Versions. The Carrack is truly terrifying when you realize its as fast as Star Fighters and can be crewed by Two People...with insane firepower for it's size. Gotta love the Carrack.
That A-Wing pilot pulled a leroy jekins on that SSD.
I think that while the Lancer was at the job it was built for, enough to scare Rogue Squadron pilots like Wedge Antillies and Corran Horn. I don't think it wasn't needed.
The Carrack class already existed. It was tougher, more capable, and in an Anti-Starfighter configuration it had plenty of Light Laser canons, as much as the Lancer. Plus a good complement of Turbolasers and tractor beams for more versatility.
More focus on issuing Carrack Light cruisers out to protect fleets and convoys would of made a massive difference. Since even the Corellian Corvette, or Nebulon-B would have to take pause when dealing with them.
Not forgetting the Gozanti class cruisers and Firespray class escort carriers.
1:10 there actually is a good justification for this. Space gas and dust. The ships navigation shields can only take so much before they fail and if you are going fast enough you get a free turbolaser bombardment across the front of your ship.
Wayyy back in the day of Star Wars: Rebellion game time, I used Lancers to great effect in my Imperial forces. They were tougher than a bunch of fighters, needed less time to recover to full strength and fit well in a capital ship fleet. I loved these things, and I agree whole-heartedly they should have been used over Ties in handling the Rebels. Fortunately the "actual" Empire wasn't as clever as us.
Why didn't they put those very effective point-defense quad laser canons on the capital ships? Or put miniaturized versions of the planetary shields like in Rogue One in vulnerable areas that can keep the nimble fighters from exploiting the trenches.
in modern navies, there is a stark different between a Frigate and a destroyer.
Frigates are slow, tending about 26 knots, they may weight just as much as a destroyer, but have a lower cruising speed, lower max speed, and often longer range.
Both ships operate as anti-air screens, anti-sub screens.... but frigates often have very light antiship weaponry trading it for extra anti-sub or anti-air.
a destroyer will run with fast ships, fast groups, will escort a carrier, and operate often with 1-2 cruisers.
A frigate will run with other frigates, MAYBE having a destroyer as their leader. their job is to escort slow moving targerts... large slow targets... like LST's, marine transports, cargo ships and tankers. They are not made to slug it out with other big ships, instead they are to screen and protect.
In star wars, i can see for example, a single Arquitens-class leading a convoy, with 4-6 Lancers providing screen, for a group of Gozanti-class cruiser-armed cargo ships.
God, everytime yall bring up the cost in these breakdowns, it makes me realize the actual value worth of a credit is the most inconsistent thing in Star Wars lore.
I wonder what the galaxy would look like if it were ruled and controlled not by fear, but by actual tactics, rational thinking, and competence.
You know, installing a couple of concussion missile tubes would both increase it's anti-starfighter power and give it the potential to deal with light capital ships.
Or an ion cannon. No need to kill what can't kill you...
I wonder if you could still take down the Lancer Frigate with starfighters if you just be equally unfair?
A bunch of B wings alpha striking at once would get it no matter the losses
Rogue Squadron had to fight one once, and Wedge was more nervous about that fight than he was about either Death Star attack.
I mean, rogue squadron did it with 1 x wing and a dozen y wings with no losses.
@@Blaaz91they had plot on there side
mabye a more heavily armed and armoured starfighter like a b wing could pose a threat to it
Wars over, imp
I personally prefer the Raider II-class Corvettes, who are equipped with six laser cannons, ion cannons, two dual medium turbolasers and one concussion missle launcher, capbale of firing the same ST7 Concussion missiles used by the Resurgent-class Star Destroyers' point-defense quad Concussion missle emplacements and the Special Forces TIEs, which are more advanced and powerful than the now-outdated ST2 used on the the Millennium Falcon as well as the HM-6 used on the RZ-1 A-wing, a speed of 1,000 kilometers per hour at maximum atmospheric speed, and a hangar where it can hold a couple fighters, where I would either hold with TIE Whisper Interceptors (but not Kylo Ren's modified TIE Whisper Interceptors) who has a top speed of 140 MGLT per hour and a maximum atmospheric speed of 1,400 kilometers per hour, and upgraded stealth systems like sensor-confusing technology that allows the TIE Whispers to avoid enemy detection, and a hyperspace tracker, like the Supremacy used, or I would use modified Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wings, equipped with a miniaturized Class 1 hyperdrive and modified engines, capable of traveling at 140 MGLT per hour and 1,500 kilometers per hour at maximum atmospheric speed, far more stronger, yet lightweight armor, far more stronger shielding, stealth systems, jammers, life support system and a Concussion missile launcher on the fighter's nose, firing ST7 Concussion missiles, where a barrage of these missiles are able to deal severe damage to the hull of an MC85 Star Cruiser, and upgraded rapid-fire dual laser cannons which rivals the First Order TIEs' L-s9.6 laser cannons, which are more powerful than the now-outdated L-s9.3 model used on the TIE Interceptor, TIE Avenger and TIE Defender, capable of destroying even bigger asteroids. The cockpits also must look like that, see here!: www.swcombine.com/rules/?Fighters&ID=126.
The First Order began production of their TIE Defenders, Special Forces TIE Interceptors and TIE Bombers (EC Henry) and even their TIE Reapers as a response to the defeat at the Battle of Crait, where their Defender was critical to the First Order's conquest across the galaxy. The loss of valuable resources onboard the Supremacy meant that the First Order required swift victories to secure control, and the TIE/D was the means through which they achieved this.
TIE Whisper Fighters has a top speed of 140 MGLT per hour and a maximum atmospheric speed of 1,300 kilometers per hour. Special Forces TIE Interceptors has a top speed of 140 MGLT per hour but has only a maximum atmospheric speed of 1,350 kilometers per hour, which is slower than the RZ-2 A-wing. Kylo Ren's modified TIE Whisper Interceptors has, I don't know, a top speed of 145 MGLT per hour and a maximum atmospheric speed of 1,500 kilometers per hour. The First Order TIE Reapers and Special Forces TIE Bombers has a top speed of 110 MGLT per hour and a maximum atmospheric speed of 1,100 kilometers per hour, while the U-wing Mark II has a top speed of 115 MGLT per hour.
Why do they not utilize computers and automation more in the Star Wars universe?
Because Lucas wasn't writing sci-fi or trying to predict future technology, but rather presented new concepts with IRL concepts. So you get WWII dogfights, and spaceships based on Texas-class battleships.
Right now I feel I could take on the whole empire myself.
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My poor Tartan.
I always mix this ship up with the Carrack class.
I guess I'm not the only one that noticed the similarities.
Some designer broke an unwritten rule of star wars. You can't just surround a ship in turbolasers, that's just cheating.
Love the Lancer Class Frigate
Lancer frigate my beloved ♥
One of the most powerful anti-figther ships and yet barely got produced imperial brains 0 rebels 1000.
A Starfighter killer if given modifications
Because the Empire didn't consider snub fighters important enough. Tarkin doctrine, they wanted big impressive ships. Otherwise, they would have build more Lancers and TIE Defenders, and not Death Stars and Executors. They probably would hjave stayed with the Venators instead of the Imperial class.
Awesome video as always!
A good video all around.
Jawa jerky, does it taste as good as Ewok jerky? If so I might have to barter for some and sale it off to the locals for real food.
Imagine the katana fleet were lancers instead of dreadnoughts
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The 1 week to 6 month should be the same as with our naval ships.. in that case it means at least 1 week with multiple meals fresh cocked each day where you can choose what you want to eat and all other stuff like clothings, spare parts and more also in full stock and 100% secured that nothing is missing if it is needed... an 6 month is maximum time you can operate with the crew only eating field or emergancy rations and only keeping nessesary systems operational. So really the absolut minimum time you can operate even in worst cases... and the absolut maximum time you can run the ship before forced to resuply if you want or not.
And that times can differ even more in the real world... some submarines have a minimum operation time from 6-8 weeks... but can in theory operate 8-10 month in in emergancy.
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The kind of ship where promotions are easy. Being a fighter screen means much merit and that merit means political capital
Why would zombies attack a Droid they aren't edible unless the zombies have low iron levels. I'm pretty sure there is no iron in droids, so zombies, these aren't the droids you're looking for!
Sadly there are to few stories involving this ship.
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So...an escort shit that cost as much as a light cruiser, require just as much crew, equipped with exactly enough weapon to do exactly one job, which it's actually can't, since it cannot even keep up with a freaking star destroyer?
Even if they did it wouldn’t make a difference, cause I created backstabber squadron, and the livyathan class hyper dreadnaught, with a titan mech, called the lc-am11 the hyper jump titan
Why arent you blinking
I built the fuck outta these in Star Wars: rebellion
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Imagine this ship acting together with TIE Defenders and Phantoms, there would basically be no rebel alliance anymore.
For real
Yes I can confirm; had they invested in TIE Defenders instead of Death Stars they would have dominated. Source: the PC classic TIE Fighter where I commit starfighter genocide and destroy corvettes with them.
You sir, just described my first empire campaign victory in Thrawn's Revenge lolol
If only man
These little ships pack one helluva punch, but they were slow. You could say they move at a snails pace.
Remember when Wedge heard Rogue Squadron had to take out a Lancer Frigate and he was more nervous about that single engagement than he was about either Death Star?
Specifically, when Rouge Squadron along with three whole squadrons of Y-wings had one (1) Lancer-class and one (1) Carrack-class blocking their escape vector.
Maybe a missed tactic, pairing Lancers with Carracs or Nebulon Bs
I'm actually listening to that audiobook now. :) Book 1 Rogue Squadron.
The answer for the empire was to modify the ISD by shedding some of the lighter turbolasers and replacing them with PDCs, albiet spread around the hull and also concentrated in crucial areas.
Imagine an ISD with a hundred quad laser cannons.
Sir, that's a warcrime.
I can only imagine the rude awaking pilots would have when an ISD starts to create a literal cloud of fire as PDC open up on snub fighters attempting the usual trench run
And now that you mentioned it, the real question is why they didn't do that?
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What I don't get is why they didn't simply incorporate more point defense around critical areas like the superstructure, hanger bays or reactor bulbs on Star Destroyers? I can't imagine a battery of quad cannons being such a significant power drain to cause any issues for the main reactor.
On that note, why not swap out some of the rear facing turbo lasers on vessels like the Dreadnought to add anti starfighter screening to their role? Imperial space battles predominantly engaged capitol ships from a forward oriented position, so I can't imagine all of the rear turbo lasers doing much to contribute to the cause while deployed with a fleet.
The Lancer isn't incredibly faster than a Dreadnought anyway, so repositioning mid battle to face a new wave of fighters isn't tactically sound. Just bolster and adapt what you've already got instead of wasting funds and resources on something so heavily specialized
Only criticism I have, please personally refrain from the whole "they have to many crew, that's bad" trope. The United States Navy is regretting the reduction of crew via automation. Less crew equals longer watches. Longer watches leads to sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation leads to making very bad mistakes, slow responses & reactions. You also have to take into account battle damage. Some crew will always become casualties, who will pick up the slack if you have to few crew? There's a reason why IRL warships have two different specs for crew compliments. A lower number for peace time, and a higher number for war time.
Ngl, it's pretty badass the New Republic used the Lancer and other imperial material to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong. Those invaders made rebels and imperials understand they were all in the end brothers that killed each other for decades
New republic and Empire had signed final peace treaty at least 6 years earlier so...
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But certain tensions between them were surely there. I mean, 20 years of non-stopping war aren't forgotten so easily, you know?
The Tarken doctrine really screwed the empire, this ship would have made rebels unable to act with hit and runs as effectively, especially when beside a proper capital ship
A proper capital ship would've been bristling with anti-fighter weaponry.
The Tarkin doctrine was used too early in the Galactic Empire's Reign. It should have been used far later when they actually did have a physical presence in every system outside of the Unknown Regions and had hundreds of thousands of ships. Tarkin jumped the gun WAAAAAY too early.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 I'd argue that even still, it should never have been implemented, the venator was more than capable in my opinion, and even if the ISD had to be implemented, the venator could easily fly aside it
@@LoneWolf20213this. A proper power projection would have worked much better
It's a shame that dedicated ships aren't used on the scale they need to be used at, and when they are used, they often get used for the opposite of what they were intended for.
It was the same thing with the Venator. It wasn't used as the dedicated carrier it was, but instead as a battleship, which it wasn't meant for. Same thing with this ship. Under-used or miss-used
The Lancer being slower than an ISD is an example of sourcebook shenanigans. In the first x-wing book it’s described as being able to outrun Y-Wings which are sourced at a speed of 80 megalights. The lancer is described in sourcebooks as having a speed of 20 megalights. The Lancer should have a speed of over 80 megalights which makes it faster than the ISD which is sourced as having a speed of 60.
The imps had so much at their hands, and wasted so much of it
Based on the Roman Empire, so...yeah.
I always thought in Rebels that Thrawn would have had ships like this in his fleet and was surprised that he didn't have any with him, as of all the imperials there's him and Vader who are smart enough to both recognise the threat of fighters and the utility of anti-starfighter capability. Either way I would have thought that he would have had them while engaging the rebels at least a couple to protect his stern if nothing else.
He would have, but they needed five plucky heroes to never lose to him.
I mean they wrote Thrawn differently in Rebels. That, or they were unaware of the lore themselves.
@@Commander23cI would not be surprised if they didn’t know the lore
13:02 because of the unlimited computational power and vast amounts of energy available, it would be possible to make any ship completely OP. (For example: look at Luthen Rael’s ship in Andor, with a couple of ion torpedoes and photon torpedos Luthen probably could have taken out that Cantwell-class). But the biggest limitation is that governments, factions, and individuals don’t have a lot of credits to buy these OP ships.
It’s a shame that a ship as niche yet capable as this existed but the empire just said “The rebels keep destroying our star destroyers and death stars! What do we do?” and the answer is “Make more!”
well for the docking port ontop of the bridge: kinda makes sense if we assume that many medium to large ships come with multiple ports including some on the underside. would also allow the ship to dock with those tie fighter recovery ships. and now live happy with the mental image of a gozanti class carrier with two lancer class frigates stuck to it.
The Raider is also a good choice
Paired together I hears they are dangerous
Especially cause the Raider can take on stronger vessels the Lancer cannot
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"Vegan Italian Leather"? Were the cows vegan? Were the Italians vegan? Or are you flogging plastic crap?
I never wasted this ship in EAW mods. I use it to help out my bigger ships. Lancers are valuable to me.
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The only real 'problem' I have with this ship is that you want your escorts to be *faster* than the things they're escorting, so they can maneuver around them more easily, and quickly change position to respond to threats. So, it could have used a bit of a beefed up engine. Of course, it can still work fine, it's just less convenient, and if one of the frigates gets disabled it'll take others more time to move up and take its place.
Rather than redesigning to fix that though, if they just added some Gozanti-esq clamps along the underside, a ship that long could have carried at least a couple squadrons of TIEs externally. Then it wouldn't even need to be that fast.
The Lancer being slower than an ISD is an example of sourcebook shenanigans. In the first x-wing book it’s described as being able to outrun Y-Wings which are sourced at a speed of 80 megalights. The lancer is described in sourcebooks as having a speed of 20 megalights. The Lancer should have a speed of over 80 megalights which makes it faster than the ISD which is sourced as having a speed of 60.
Heck it was probably 'speed 7' or speed 8, in the stats?
Which is likely not actually equal to 70 or 80 MGLT, anyway. As the X-Wing was listed with speed 8, originally... 8 may = 100 MGLT, truly.
With 6 being 75, and 7 being 87, and so on...@@zzzxxc1
5:00 could be a hyperwave transceiver for Comms?
hmm maybe the lancer could have benefitted from some corellian corvette style heavier laser cannons. Like it makes it less good at its job, but given the average imp didnt use it right it would have helped it be a bit more versatile against medium size ships too when theyre used defensively. An arquitens with a lancer would be a stout pair though lacking fighters of their own.
Sir, the rebels are using a lot of quick hit and run tactics with starfighters. We need laser canons to counter. Should we install them along our massive pizza slice ships with pleny of available hull space?
No, build multiple new ships, extremely expensive, just for laser canons so our pizza slice ships can stick with the big pew pews.
Excellent choice sir. Shall they also be pizza slice shape?
Make them giant exclamation marks!
Of course sir!
*Thrawn shaking his head* I'm surrounded by...wait, exclamation marks you say?
well, realistically, the targeting computers of imperial ships should have no problem shooting the slow, big, lumbering rebel starfighters, and with the numerical superiority of the imp fighters (usually 10:1), rebel starfighters should have been wiped in every engagement......but, plot armor, and plot demands that imperial troops can't shoot or do basic military tactics or maneuvers......
I still think they should have made this ship faster and change just a couple weapon systems to deal with something bigger then a fighter. over all this ship is nasty and its weapons will take out a carillion corvette. though admiral thrawn would happily have as many of these ships and pair them up with something better. in the Xwing novels with wraith squadron they had to deal with a lancer. and how much the pilots dread facing such a star ship. how they took such down was very good and only put one fighter at risk to get a target lock and fire a lot of missiles to take such down.
Is there any character video coming up? I hope it's legends focused! I love the Jango and Boba Fett series and I hope there will be a Darth Vader, Revan, Sidious series.
Space isnt a perfect vacuum, and i believe in some source materials the Starwars galaxy has something called the Ether which is why their starfighters and ships move the way they do.
Vegan leather? As in not leather, kinda like how almond milk is actually almond juice or nut juice since its made by juicing nuts.
I imagine top Speed is more recommended top speed, because it will take considerable energy to stop a star destroyer from destroying a planet because they were going too fast
Your max speed is a result of how much power you can dump into you regular engines without blowing them up... lol.
Wedge was afraid of this ship and he had 2 deathstars painted on the side of his fighter.
Admiral Thrawn probably through most of his career: I am surounded by idiots.
star wars universe has probably the worst spaceship designs in science fantasy
Vegan Italian leather? I had no idea they were making leather out of vegans!
Seeing all the squadrons clips brings back good memories
14:42 It'd also be a massive pain to ID properly from visuals alone, if you're far enough away you probably can't tell what's what so the fleet numbers would be so muddled.
"Vegan Italian Leather"
What the hell does that actually mean?
The Imps had other quite decent screening ships, like Tartan, Raider, CR92a, Carrack, and Enforcer.
The Tartan is perhaps the best. Its the same length as the Lancer, and had a similar armament of 20 single/double laser cannons. While less durable, it was very fast and very menuverable. This allows the tartan to both keep up with the fleet and match enemy starfighter movements, all the while being able to quickly disengage.
The lancer is severely limited by its slow speed.
The CR92a is another great option. It was tougher and more durable than almost all rebel CR90 varients, having 8 modular emplacements (quad lasers, or double TL) plus a powerful proton torpedoe. launcher. All this while being pretty cheap
The Raider is perhaps the second best in the Imp fleet. Mounting 6 accurate double lasers, anti starfighter concussion missles, and 4 double TL. This ship had a strong hull, great sheilding, and decent menuverability.
The Carrack, mounting the 20 Lasers rather than thr 20 ion cannons is another great option. While it was 100 meters longer than the tartan or lancer, it mounted practically the same armament plus 10 HTL. This allows it to easily stand against enemy corvettes and frigates whilst screening for the fleet. Not to mention, the carrack was incredibly durable and fast.
Vindicators and the subsequent Enforcers had great anti starfighter defenses, and if kept close to fleet csrriers or battlecrusiers, could effectively screening off incoming bombers or starfighters. The Vindicator especially was a decent light battleship and could protect the rear flank of larger ships or act independent. It is an underrated ship imo.
The Lancer being slower than an ISD is an example of sourcebook shenanigans. In the first x-wing book it’s described as being able to outrun Y-Wings which are sourced at a speed of 80 megalights. The lancer is described in sourcebooks as having a speed of 20 megalights. The Lancer should have a speed of over 80 megalights which makes it faster than the ISD which is sourced as having a speed of 60.
@zzzxxc1 yeah I know that, and I've heard it before. But I was just going along with the popular vote. Many say it's slow, so to counter that, I provide different capable ships
Source book Lancer, as it should be, is quite a great ship. But slow Lancer is kind of mediocre. Speed and menuverable makes all the difference for a Screening vessel imo
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Agreed
Where the actual fck was that jawa barbecue picture from?
A Jawa bbq
The more I think about it, and its been years of thought and shifting views and philosophies on ships, I have come to the conclusion that the Lancer is actually a terrible ship for its job.
To start with it is a response to a problem, so that is good, execution however...
Problem 1. Armament. Its weapons have the same range as the very thing it is supposed to defend against, which means that attackers can release their weaponry at the same time, which defeats the purpose of being able to defend something like expensive ISDs.
The weapons are also light, which allows shielded starfighters to theoretically shrug off a couple hits while delivering their ordinance, not kill stop an enemy. The US Navy ran into this problem with the Japanese using .50 and 20mm and 40mm guns, which is why later in the war you saw a massive increase in heavier AA, up to 76mm or 3" guns, giving them range and power to outright kill an incoming aircraft with a single hit.
The Lancer should be running hi track light turbolasers, possibly in pairs rather than quads to keep the mounts nimble.
The ship really needs anti starfighter missiles as well, being able to strike at incomong craft well beyond the range of laser cannons and turbolasers effective range.
It is likely a bit too small to really mount good flak guns like on the CIS ships, but it would be really nice.
Problem #2. Speed. It is horribly slow, 1/3rd that of an ISD which it is supposed to defend, this means that the ISD will outrun its protection as normal. It is the slowest ship in the fleet and a fleet is only as fast as its slowest ship.
So with the shirt range relatively weak armament hamperingnits ability to protect a ship the size of an ISD, and its slow speed not allowing it to effectively manuver into a screening position it is simply a waste of credits. It would be better to literally mount TIE fighters to the hull of an ISD, it would be cheaper and more effective , than to have a Lancer.
The ship that they should have used is a mod of the Carrack which is faster than an ISD so it can defend and then catch up, or even literally run down many of the Alliance bombers, and be able to mount a good mix of light and medium weapnry to effectively keep snubfighters at bay.
I would definitely, as an imperial fleet commander, take a small carrier, such as a fighter kitted Vindicator or optimized Carrack, over a Lancer every day of the week. 72 TIEs 144 laser cannons, with 100 MGLT and range, and a craft carrying at least light and medium turbs, compared to just 80 laser cannons and a 20 MGLT fleet anchor.
"Grand admiral Thrawn likes this ship"
To be fair, this ship breaks the entire 'rules' of combat in star wars. If lancers were commonplace then the WW2 knock off dogfights between starfighters would end. Starfighters and bombers would be impossible altogether as an effective component in fleet engagements and combat would inevitably resemble something close to hard Sci Fi like the Expanse with much longer range duels between ships. That's fine in-universe but it would destroy the aesthetic of star wars which fans would ultimately hate.
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850 crew / 350 min crew. this has nothing to do with automation.
the likelyhood is she runs with 3 shifts of 280 crew per shift or so. so running a min crew, without doctors, without all the damage control teams, mess staff, and other aux personal... about 250 crew + 60 officers + 40 gunners = min crew 1 shift no back up personal.
Smaller weapons for smaller targets. Large cannons are not needed for attacking aircraft. Especially when they hug close to the ship. BUT ….. Vulture Droids would work.
A great anti-fighter ship sure but one of the worst Frigates in Star Wars IMO. Its unable to effectively defend themselves against other Frigates or even most Corvettes due to the lack of anti-ship weapons. If I'm building a fleet I would take a DP-20 Frigate or a Nebulon-B over a Lancer any day.
It's designed solely to escort, and be escorted. Never to work alone.
In that regard, as long as the fleet stays together, it's quite great, basically being a gun barge or platform. But this is really limited, and personally, I'd chose other capable ships.
I would chose ships like the Tartan, CR92a, Raider, and Carrack(20 lasers instead of ion cannons). The Nebulan-B isn't bad either.
The Tartan, like the carrack, is a damorian ship. It's very fast and menuverable, unlike the Lancer, and this allows it to quickly engage and disengage. It has 20 single/double lasers, and is slightly cheaper. It's the same size as the Lancer, but notably less durable.
And regarding the Lancers weaponry, you'd be surprised how much it can do. It's basically 80 heavy starfighter grade laser cannons. It'd have no problem dealing with hammerheads, dornean gunships and most CR90s. It'd struggle against a DP20 or a marauder. While these corvettes technically had TL, most were very light, some being able to serve as anti-starfighter guns. Most corvettes didn't have the power generation of larger frigates or cruisers like the Lancer. Not to mention the durability. But yes the DP20 is great, even if it is old. Almost makes no sense how OP that ship is.
@@undraftedboomer5055 So its useless on its own, and can't really make an effective convoy escort due to A: not having fighters and thus being limited to defending a single vector. and B: Being useless if a hostile capital ship show up. In other words its massively overspecialized while most combat frigates in the setting have at least some multirole capability and thus are far more useful when putting together a fleet.
@roguerifter9724 in other words yes lol.
@@undraftedboomer5055 True.
The Lancer is a great ship under very specific circumstances. But that's why it being rare makes sense IMO. In most cases it makes more sense to go with a ship that's useful in more then one role. Even as numerous as the Imperial fleet was it was still spread thin compared to the number of worlds, systems, and merchant ships it was responsible for defending. And of course there will always be ships out of action for repairs, refitsm or maintenance decreasing the number of ships available for use,
If I could guarantee two or three Frigates or Frigates and Corvettes for every convoy escort, system defense force, or patrol I would make one a Lancer. But there's no way for those numbers to be feasible and its better IMO to a few very specialized ships that are great at one thing but bad at anything else, and far larger numbers of ships that are good at more then one role
As for a CR90 vs a Lancer I think the biggest factor is the CR90 will be able to easily control the range keeping the Lancer within the effective range of its guns while staying far enough away that the Lancer's Lasers aren't very useful.
@roguerifter9724 the Lancer shouldn't have been used to patrol systems. It's too expensive and too specific in design. The ONLY application for this vessels is either fleet support or in defense of core world structures, and thus was not very useful early on in the Empire.
And yes, especially as the Civil War was growing, and as the rebel alliance turned into the New Republic, more powerful frigates and cruisers had to be distributed to defend Imperial Space.
The Galaxy was very vast, I think something like a million or so inhabitied worlds (correct me if I'm wrong). Even the Empire couldn't control all of it. It's cool we see this in cannon with Andor and the Empire relying on defense corporations. But the farther from the core you got, the less presence the Empire had. Here, only a handful of imperial customs frigates, freighters, and IPVs controlled the whole system, if that...
This made it easy for any substantial rebel cell to rein terror and capture resources. To stop this, frigates like the dated arquintens, Nebulan-B, Tartan, and even the Carrack were distributed from Imp sector fleets and core fleets.
In the end, the Lancer, and ships like it, became more and more of an key vessel to have. Yes, it can be vulnerable and is not versatile. But, the rebels were getting stronger and bolder as the months past. And when War reached its heights after Endor, the Empire was less worried about piracy or outer rim patrols.
Fleets were being made solely for combat and defense of key imperial worlds, not only from the New Republic, but later from other Imperial Factions.
Given Lancer production had practically been stopped before even the Battle of Hoth, these ships had now become invaluable, as Thrawn demonstrated.
But yes, in the end I agree with your point. The Empire's my favorite faction in SW, and I love making the perfect fleet with Imp ships, it's a sad hobby lol.
I don’t believe that having computers being able to calculate the manoeuvres of starfighters is some thing the empire have to worry about since this is a society were sentient androids are a dime a dozen which shows that they have very advanced and cheap computers. The issue with larger turbo lasers is there simply not designed to combat enemy star fighters, and therefore can’t traverse fast enough. The real issue is being able to hit some thing when it was trying to counter measures like sensor jamming is so common and prevalent in Star Wars that is also why they engage at close. Visual ranges.
You should cover the special forces of the Empire; specifically the Storm Commandos. Darth Vader also harbored a special hatred for them as well.
There does seem to be a real top speed in space. And no, not light speed. Something to do with the cosmic background radiation. Things get weird at relativistic velocities.
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my head cannon, artificial gravity and gravity compensation create drag on the ship. Artificial gravity creates a point singularity in space acting as an anchor for said ship... the ship "drags" that along with it as it flies .
In any sort of competent reality, an ISD would be bristling with anti-fighter weaponry.
people need to stop acknowledging the sequel dumpster fire as canon, its nothing more than a shittily written fan fic
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