@@colemcdougal7670 yah I'm still debating, the 769 price tag for the salt 2 is up there tho.... Sundown also has a smart version amp like the taramps smart 3&5.. it's their SIA line... I've been researching those as well
98% of product failure is simply from user error. The difference is the people that admit to there mistakes. We are all human & have to all learn the do's & don't in car audio because we are all beginners at some point.
I wouldn't stand up for Skar Audio's business either. Would you stick your neck out for a guy getting bullied when you know he's been a real scumbag in the past?
Loving the content dude. It is possible to build one large enclosure with a tuneable port that you can use for all drivers. Give it a 15” cutout and then you only have to make a baffle for each driver that you can attach to the enclosure cutout. If you build a 4-5 cu.ft. enclosure you can then use various measured sizes of wood (attach to interior walls of enclosure with Velcro to ensure no movement) or XPS foam. Whatever you use needs to be solid/closed cell so that a 1 cu.ft. block for example actually acts as a 1 cu.ft. block when compressed by air. You can also use an external port to adjust tuning for each driver. Varying lengths of 3-4” piping. This will allow you to test each driver in the optimum box/port combination. What you’re currently doing is fun to watch, but not a fair representation of what each driver is capable of. Keep up the good work my dude!
Exactly my thought! I think it's time he steps up his approach to testing now that he's doing so well.. and to test a Fi sub! (Fi Neo 4.11) like I have in my build on my YT channel.
if i were competing, totally worth the money with it holding up to some slight over power and bass burps. but for an daily driver, i think there are other subs in the lower 500.00 range for that. Great video as always!
@@ScramTek ...just get two skar vxf 12s, and you'll be happy with them versus buying and 1 12 at 900 or 500 bucks. One skar vxf 12 by itself will probably give you a real close comparison even if put next to this sundown zv6 12. The sundown would probably take more power, I'm pretty sure, but if you were looking for a everyday listening banging set up, then the skar vxf 12s will fit the bill, while saving you hundreds of dollars. Another thing, in this video, Parker is using a taramps 8k bass amp, to push that one sundown zv6 12. If he was to swap that 1 sundown zv6 12 out, and replaced it with two skar evl 12s, or 2 vxf 12s in this same set up, in this same vehicle, the two skar 12s will perform way better than that 1 sundown zv6 12. And still cost half the price for that one sundown zv6 12 inch sub. So if you are looking for sound instead of name brands to boast about, there are plenty of things to do, and brands to choose from, to get loud and still save.
@@cliffordmcgraw8740 Yeah I’ve heard nothing but good about Crossfire. Only problem is there’s no retailer here in the UK. We have most American brands here but Crossfire is the one I wish was retailed here.
Pretty disappointed in YOU Parker. I thought you would learn from the 1st review you made on this subwoofer. Your biggest failure is using that tiny box for this massive subwoofer. Your box needed to be increased by nearly 2x. This is why it kept getting stinky and surprised you didnt blow it AGAIN 😆. You got super lucky they fixed it for free as well. ITS THE. LACK OF SIZE IN YOUR BOX THAT CAUSES THIS SUB TO BLOW AND YOU SHOULD GET A LARGER BOX AND THEN DO A 3RD REVIEW. I enjoy your videos but you did this sub no justice on this review...thank you as always!!!
Dave Lieb is the man!!! One of if not thee best sub builder there is, I own a pair of Dave Lieb Designs upgraded Sundown X12's and they're absolutely insane! I broke my sunroof on my Lincoln mkx on only 3k with the two 12's them things are violent 👊💪🔊🔊🔊
No joke about working with such a heavy sub...my DB-412 weight 95lbs each....about crushed my finger tips a couple times...and just getting them in my truck was tough..let alone pulling them in and out while messing around with my setup
It didn't blow because the box was too small. Smaller boxes actually allow subs to handle power better, bigger boxes make them easier to blow because of less control.
It blew because it wasn't fully broken in it takes months for sundown SUBWOOFERS to break in I bought a psi platform 4 and it took almost 6 months to break in those spiders are very stiff on those spl subwoofers
@@scottypknowmsayin6918 I still have it takes a lot of abuse ran 8k taramps on it until I could smell the coils been having it for about 4 years now No problems?
@@ceciljones1248 wicked. That is another one of my potential options. B2 Rampage XM4, DC Level 6 and PSI Platform 4 were my tip choices. These ZV6 seem to do quite well too. Just not as fancy looking. DC and PSI are the most customizable.
@@scottypknowmsayin6918 I have a pair of dd3515 they use to be 12s one of my coils is rubbing I very own dd since 2007? Now you want some serious spl? Dd They are pricey but they are worth every single penny? Now I have a Fi neo 4.11 18 should be here today? I have two 15 fi hc series? For the money fi gets good lows and Sq and hand made and reasonable for your money? Just don't order on black Friday or tax season because it takes awhile to get them? My two 15s took about a week to get? My 18 neodymium was ordered on the 27th of last month and finished Monday? Roughly 3 weeks not bad bro it's your choice and preference Top of the line? DD FI PSI SUNDOWN AND THE REST?
it's a gnarly sub for sure, but I think your opinion at the end is pretty spot on, the X series is super close to it now with the v3 especially. Good bang for your buck with the X and the Z is more for the extreme end of the spectrum.
@nate0 this is true, but I still invert cut one side of the gasket isn't flat but one is 90% of the time . It makes a difference in en losses that have had a few suvs ran thru and stuff
That's a good idea. I know my Fi Neo 4.11s gasket is a lot thicker on the top side when not inverted (I have yet to invert bcuz of space restrictions but maybe if I remove the gasket and replace with my ⅛" butyl gasket tape then it'll fit. (Otherwise I'll routering out the top layer of my 3x baffle 😬). I'll post the experience on my YT channels.
I totally agree with you I've been saying it for years there's no reason for those subs to be at that price when everybody else is making subs a fraction of the price and gives you the same results
We’ve told Parker to use boxes made for the subs he tests. People have offered to build boxes for him for free. Instead he puts them in boxes not made for them and the result is meh.
I'm sure all the subs that he has tested probably could have done better in a box built for them but all the subs were tested in the same box and there were quite a few that did better numbers at a much reasonable price range
@@db2loud generally because this lower priced subs in that enclosure would be closer to spec so it’s almost in the optimal enclosure/power. With this sub it’s sooo much bigger so it displaces soo much more airspace & needs more of box to get it to spec, as well as a bigger port for the airflow this sub can produce. That’s why cheaper subs seem better because their almost in the perfect circumstances.
Im surprised that Dave had the time to repair your sub. I had him build me four Sundown X8V3 with his DL Designs upgraded coils, one of them blew the tinsel lead within a few months. I tried contacting him several times, using several different methods but never got a response. I ultimately had to pay to get it repaired. I am not knocking Sundown or the subs that Dave builds but I cannot recommend him due to poor customer service and not honoring his warranty. I wish people would take pride in their work and take care of their customers.
We have sent several messages Dave and not one reply either so, yea, we will shop elsewhere. People get "too big" and then forget the people who helped get them there. "The customer"
Parker, great content! You were really pushing that sub! What's the chances of you doing a video similar to this on the nightshade v5?? Have you given testing that sub out any thought?
Damn i gotta get the box for mine built! Thanks for posting these motivational video's for me Parker! Two SAZ-1500 anniversary editions should get it moving in my Ranger
Great example of when a guy says all you have to do is invert the subwoofer, give it more airspace in its enclosure and it will be louder. Inverting is not always the answer
What you think about the sound quality of this sub? Jonathon Price said in a video that some people compete in sound quality with these subs which I find hard to believe as I never seen it. But would be nice to have a big sub that does sound really good and accurate instead of sounding sloppy like most all the subs do.
There's a hifi associate of Sundown called Stereo Integrity. I believe they use the same motors but a less stiff suspension to lower the fs. They seem to recommend going sealed with these. Seems they have a big following among DIY audiophiles. You may want to check them out. Though I bet the ZV6 sounds great as is.
I love these sub reviews but we are missing some huge factors when it comes to results for them. 1 being the relation between the sub and the port. That is why we get results like this that are less than exciting.
@@tidobass6048 this is a great example of what to expect when upgrading subwoofers and what to expect as far as gains. If you throw money down on a woofer like this your probably going to be throwing money down on a new enclosure as well.
Each sub has specific recommendations for Port size and cubic ft of airspace. If you aren't using those then it's not going to sound as good as it can.
Almost all these reviews aren’t that useful apart from visual enjoyment. Using the same enclosure for every driver means that some are going to perform well and others won’t. I get that Parker buys a lot of the drivers he reviews and that building an enclosure for every one gets pricey. But I can’t understand why manufacturers will provide one of their drivers but not an enclosure with it. It’s not that much additional expense for them just to ensure that their product performs as well as they want it to. This Zv6 should be getting 150+ dB. He’s got enough power on tap. It’s being held back by the wrong box/port combo
So you think that box was too small and when u blew the dc audio level 5 the box was too big ? I really think your frying the subs with your Brazilian amp u got there ?
Hey Mr. Parker....I love the sundown subs, currently I'm running a 12' Sundown Xv3 reconed with the ZV6 Spider & ZV6 8 Layer Coil so its like 85%-90% a ZV6...These subs like around 2.75 cubic feet minus port area, that's what I have mine at and mines tuned to 33hz, so I would build a whole different box for this subwoofer, and do another review, that way it can show everyone how much the right box for this type of subwoofer will make it come alive!!
@@daviddaupert1693 It sounds the same, Just handles more power now for longer and doesn't bottom out, or unload as easy, it changed my peak fs from 34hz to 33hz
Who would have thought that reducing the volume of the huge box would help. Someone tell Parker that box displace matters. A smaller box will help with power handling too Parker. It's physics bother. Too large of a box is basically like free air providing no support for the subs suspension
My 15in Skar VXF in a Gately 3.5 box sounds so much better though...you know, because it's in a Gately 3.5 box that matches the box size and port size recommendation from Skar. Port size and cubic ft...you gotta use the right box for each sub. Get the recommendation for thos from the sub manufacturer. Too many guys just plopping sub after sub in the same box thinking the sub size is all that matters. I also EQ with a Mini DSP 2x4HD. Learned about that with my HT subs. Even so...900 bucks no thanks.
Buddy you need twice the box you got for that monster and that sub is a 6th order bandpass monster. It will go hard in a 4th order too but 6th order will make it go bonkers. That 1 sub is a 150 db all day sub in that truck with that amp
I just bought one but what is all that rattling sound?sub,box,suv,or a little of each? I personally think you need a bigger box so I’m getting a 2.5 cubic ft box built after displacement.
The box what you using for testing is optimised for Sundown X12 V2, then of course it have the biggest chance that it will be the loudest - and obivously in your case it was up to date. I'm not saying that it is wrong, just not as accurate SPL results as it could be, because the subs you tested, had not equal chances, because of a box what is not optimal for them - maybe for some close, but not optimal. I mean with this, in my opinion 1 of DeafBonce or American Bass, or Skar sub maybe would outperform the X12 V2 in a proper box made for them, but maybe not... I think this Z easily will outperform the X V2 in a box optimised for it, so yeah, I would like to see it in a proper box. And also an idea: custom boxes made for your best subs. My case: I have a Gladen RS-X 6.5 sub, I made a custom ported box optimised for it's TS parameters from the specs sheet like almost everybody doing when designing a custom box for a sub with not the manufacturer's recommended box specs. I found out that a Sundown X6.5 have similar shaped transfer function graph curve in any box like that Gladen sub, even their peaks are at the same freq in any box in a same listening enviroment, so I compared them with simulations: I simulated the X6.5 in the Gladen's box, and the Gladen was louder by few tenths of dB at the peak + up to 3-3.5 dB off from the peak on it's RMS power (250 W) like the X6.5 on it's RMS power (300 W), but the X6.5 not reached it's xmax, the Gladen just touched it's xmax, because for X6.5 is acceptable a bigger net volume box. After this I designed a custom box for the X-6.5, the X-6.5's peak was louder like the Gladen's in the Gladen's box, and also simulated in the X6.5 box both drivers, had the same transfer function differences like I wrote down just before on their RMS powers. But Gladen overpassed it's Xmax, so, I needed reduce the power for it in simulations, and after that obivously X6.5 became much louder like the Gladen at the peak, even Gladen was quieter at the peak like in it's box, but still a tiny bit louder off from the peak like the X6.5, just now I can't prove this with real tests, because Sundown's stuff is 1 - hardly avialable in my country, or 2 - it is way too expensive mainly because of shipping payments and similar things... So, in any means, boxes optimised for the given drivers giving always the best results like for me: Gladen outperforms X6.5 in a box made for Gladen, because the Gladen box is a bit small for the X6.5, and X6.5 outperforms the Gladen in a box optimised for X6.5, because the X6.5 box is too big for Gladen, and even X6.5 outperforms the Gladen at the peak freq when both are simulated in their boxes = both subs have very similar sounding, Sundown is somewhat louder, but needs a bigger space, Gladen is somewhat more musical/daily, and needs a smaller place...maybe there's something similar reason why all (mainly "flaghip") subs you tested were quieter like the X12 V2 - maybe for some of them is a need for a bigger box because it's not using the driver's max output potential, or some of them is a need for a smaller box because the drivers starting to have bigger excursion at 70 percent of Bl on smaller power like in an optimal box... Or let's say even if the X12 V2 is truely the loudest, but I think the order from 2nd place downwards would be different for sure.
did a 146.2 metered on the headrest with 1x10" Zv4 back in the days. was running it on a saz3500 in 0.5ohms... Killed 2 of them in the end (had a reserve)
They need to build them better for 900 bucks, you should be able to push them that hard on clean power... What's the point of all that Xmax if you can't push it to the point where you can use all of it without it gettin stinky, It would be cool if you could review the em audio 3k and 5k or even some of the psi platform 5 and 4 with the upgraded options.. I love sundown and what they do, but I think those brands above offer a better value, even the Savard high output subwoofers like the ho12. Which is like 450 but handles 2k every day.
My team mate has a pair of Resilient Sounds Platinum 12s running a 150.1 at the headrest on 2443 watts at 34Hz in the trunk. They sound good and take some abuse. RS FTW
The Qts Was .39. Usually Subs Under .40 Don't Need A Whole Lot Of Volume For Thier Enclosure. Not Sure If It Correlates With Why Sub Was Louder With Motor In Box. What Kinda Shows The Box Isn't Ideal Is Your Impedance Rise. It's Only Going From .5 To 2.2Ish. My Subs Rise From .5 To 5.8 Ohms A Little Past Box Tuning Hz. Alot Of SPL Guys Rise Even Higher. Oh And Was That Noise When You We're Playing Free Air Just Air Rushing By The Enclosure Opening Or Was That Suspension Creaking/Hissing?
Honestly though, I'd prefer my Deaf Bonce DB3515's over these and if you wan lows and power handling, bang for buck all around monster woofers then my wolfram PT-18's are where it's at!!! 4in PE coils 4krms each and get thisss I paid $650ea shipped yes'rrr
It's more expensive than my Deaf Bonce Apocolypse DB-SA412 that I bought on clearance for $750 each...probably could have got something crazy for that price at Robotunderground if I had been willing to wait but at least it made me step up my electrical for the major power I needed to run the things...my wife says I'm out of control with my car audio addiction....she just doesn't understand
I agree, with you about both things, he could probably get 3 super subs from robotunderground but he’s reviewing popular equipment regardless of price , and the wife also believes I am insane ha ha ho ho he he
I just can't get behind chandler at RU, he says some of the most off the wall things. Box rise is a myth just turn the gain up... he supports pedophilia too 🤢
A sheet of mdf and a dowel shouldn't be too much and could net you a 145 on music I bet. The sub was probably only seeing 2.0cuft and they want way more so it would be a good video, tuned to like 27/28 with lots of port area will cause these subs to shine without hurting themselves.
I have that same db meeter , he doesn't let the bass play long enough to properly reed it it needs a good 2sec to register so he's losing about 2db by burping it so fast
All these large-roll subs are pigs with those long coils and heavy surrounds... 400g Mms. Moral of the story, if you actually intent to play music (targeting 35Hz+) you're better off with a conventional surround with less moving mass like a DC XL SPL or a Sundown U. With correct box loading there is no need for 40mm of xmax for bass extension as the f3 is dictated by motor force (qts) and volume. All these large-stroke subs are mainly good for
I've been running a Zv5 15" as a daily for about 18 months. In a 4.25 box tuned to 33hz on a Synergy 3.1. Sub still sounds great, just not the best sound quality as the box is pretty peaky.
Parker, I watch all of your videos & I notice you don't do any reviews on any Resilient Sounds Subwoofers. I would love to see some testing on them as well as some head to heads between Sundown & Resilient Sounds subwoofers. Just an idea. I'm about to upgrade my single 12 to a single 15" & I'm torn between Sundown, Resilient sounds, & Fi. I love all 3. 😂🤷♂ Nice video tho. Keep the content comin bro.
Nice video man!
Yessir! Thanks for helping me get this beast fixed
Ide like to see what some of these salt amps can do... Debating whether to grab a taramps for my xv3 or a salt amp
@@KaySwiss21 salt
@@colemcdougal7670 yah I'm still debating, the 769 price tag for the salt 2 is up there tho.... Sundown also has a smart version amp like the taramps smart 3&5.. it's their SIA line... I've been researching those as well
@@KaySwiss21 salt.
I vote a custom sub box for the zv6 and a revisit 😊
Hey Parker I 2nd this proposition!
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I like how when people toast their skar equipment its skars fault but when sundown equipment fails they have no problem sayn it was their fault.
98% of product failure is simply from user error. The difference is the people that admit to there mistakes. We are all human & have to all learn the do's & don't in car audio because we are all beginners at some point.
I wouldn't stand up for Skar Audio's business either. Would you stick your neck out for a guy getting bullied when you know he's been a real scumbag in the past?
@Josh Murphy elaborate on the scumbag...
@@DTW-bx2vy
‘admit’
Not going too, if you know you know. It's been long enough now it's not worth writing a book over but they will not get my defense still to this day.
Would love to see a box built for that sub . Showcase how the right enclosure makes all the difference.
Yes then he could've surpassed that 145db and see this sub truly shine.
It's all.... About the box.
I got a zv5 15 on a wolfram 5k put about 2500 to it hitting 149.6 after new alternator before 146
Then he'd need to use custom enclosures for every one of his subs tested to be fair otherwise put an asterisk next to the new Z's score
@@girthquake9655 lol you said “box”.
Loving the content dude.
It is possible to build one large enclosure with a tuneable port that you can use for all drivers.
Give it a 15” cutout and then you only have to make a baffle for each driver that you can attach to the enclosure cutout.
If you build a 4-5 cu.ft. enclosure you can then use various measured sizes of wood (attach to interior walls of enclosure with Velcro to ensure no movement) or XPS foam. Whatever you use needs to be solid/closed cell so that a 1 cu.ft. block for example actually acts as a 1 cu.ft. block when compressed by air.
You can also use an external port to adjust tuning for each driver. Varying lengths of 3-4” piping.
This will allow you to test each driver in the optimum box/port combination.
What you’re currently doing is fun to watch, but not a fair representation of what each driver is capable of.
Keep up the good work my dude!
Exactly my thought! I think it's time he steps up his approach to testing now that he's doing so well.. and to test a Fi sub! (Fi Neo 4.11) like I have in my build on my YT channel.
I need a playlist of the songs so I can bump 😂😂
if i were competing, totally worth the money with it holding up to some slight over power and bass burps. but for an daily driver, i think there are other subs in the lower 500.00 range for that. Great video as always!
What drivers would you recommend in the sub $500 range?
If it helps, a used Zv5 can go as low as $500. I got 2 and acquired one of them for that price.
@@ScramTek ...just get two skar vxf 12s, and you'll be happy with them versus buying and 1 12 at 900 or 500 bucks. One skar vxf 12 by itself will probably give you a real close comparison even if put next to this sundown zv6 12. The sundown would probably take more power, I'm pretty sure, but if you were looking for a everyday listening banging set up, then the skar vxf 12s will fit the bill, while saving you hundreds of dollars. Another thing, in this video, Parker is using a taramps 8k bass amp, to push that one sundown zv6 12. If he was to swap that 1 sundown zv6 12 out, and replaced it with two skar evl 12s, or 2 vxf 12s in this same set up, in this same vehicle, the two skar 12s will perform way better than that 1 sundown zv6 12. And still cost half the price for that one sundown zv6 12 inch sub. So if you are looking for sound instead of name brands to boast about, there are plenty of things to do, and brands to choose from, to get loud and still save.
@@ScramTek crossfire c7 series subwoofers are totally awesome for less than 500 and im feeding mine double rated daily.
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Yeah I’ve heard nothing but good about Crossfire. Only problem is there’s no retailer here in the UK. We have most American brands here but Crossfire is the one I wish was retailed here.
Pretty disappointed in YOU Parker. I thought you would learn from the 1st review you made on this subwoofer. Your biggest failure is using that tiny box for this massive subwoofer. Your box needed to be increased by nearly 2x. This is why it kept getting stinky and surprised you didnt blow it AGAIN 😆. You got super lucky they fixed it for free as well. ITS THE. LACK OF SIZE IN YOUR BOX THAT CAUSES THIS SUB TO BLOW AND YOU SHOULD GET A LARGER BOX AND THEN DO A 3RD REVIEW. I enjoy your videos but you did this sub no justice on this review...thank you as always!!!
Do a free air 5 minutes RMS torture test at 40hz. For a $900 worth of sub, it should survive and backup its reliability.
It's not a Russian sub I don't think it'll handle it LOL
Dave Lieb is the man!!! One of if not thee best sub builder there is, I own a pair of Dave Lieb Designs upgraded Sundown X12's and they're absolutely insane! I broke my sunroof on my Lincoln mkx on only 3k with the two 12's them things are violent 👊💪🔊🔊🔊
Yes he is incredible!! Very stoked I got to meet him
Yeah man if like to see you build a box for this beast!
I'd buzz if parker actually got a sundown sponsorship. they are the best 12 inch subs for sure. "that ive heard and felt to date"
better he's independent, at least i hope he is
I’d love to meet this dude one day. He said the sundown manufacture place was close to him and it’s about 30 minutes from me I’ve been there aswell.
No joke about working with such a heavy sub...my DB-412 weight 95lbs each....about crushed my finger tips a couple times...and just getting them in my truck was tough..let alone pulling them in and out while messing around with my setup
Lmao
It sounds like you need to build and improve your upper body and core strengh, lmao! Nah, just joking bro.
@@erikybarra1841 Donut POWER
As much as you spend on the high tier subs, I know you can just build a bigger single sub box.
Then everyone can really see what these subs can do
Have you thought about trying a Pride subwoofer? I know they are very expensive.
Can you review a deaf bonce 3512 and compare it to a 3012r and a xv3
When is an Fi sub going to make an appearance on this channel 👀
It didn't blow because the box was too small. Smaller boxes actually allow subs to handle power better, bigger boxes make them easier to blow because of less control.
It blew because it wasn't fully broken in it takes months for sundown SUBWOOFERS to break in I bought a psi platform 4 and it took almost 6 months to break in those spiders are very stiff on those spl subwoofers
@@ceciljones1248 how did you like the Platform 4?
@@scottypknowmsayin6918 I still have it takes a lot of abuse ran 8k taramps on it until I could smell the coils been having it for about 4 years now No problems?
@@ceciljones1248 wicked. That is another one of my potential options. B2 Rampage XM4, DC Level 6 and PSI Platform 4 were my tip choices. These ZV6 seem to do quite well too. Just not as fancy looking. DC and PSI are the most customizable.
@@scottypknowmsayin6918 I have a pair of dd3515 they use to be 12s one of my coils is rubbing I very own dd since 2007? Now you want some serious spl? Dd They are pricey but they are worth every single penny? Now I have a Fi neo 4.11 18 should be here today? I have two 15 fi hc series? For the money fi gets good lows and Sq and hand made and reasonable for your money? Just don't order on black Friday or tax season because it takes awhile to get them? My two 15s took about a week to get? My 18 neodymium was ordered on the 27th of last month and finished Monday? Roughly 3 weeks not bad bro it's your choice and preference Top of the line? DD FI PSI SUNDOWN AND THE REST?
it's a gnarly sub for sure, but I think your opinion at the end is pretty spot on, the X series is super close to it now with the v3 especially. Good bang for your buck with the X and the Z is more for the extreme end of the spectrum.
Exactly!
Saw the thumbnail and thought it was Banjo from Flair’s TH-cam channel
Can you please start including the qts numbers they are very important and I feel it’s a determining factor when choosing subs
Remember to invert the gasket when you invert the sub for a proper seal Parker! 😀
@nate0 this is true, but I still invert cut one side of the gasket isn't flat but one is 90% of the time . It makes a difference in en losses that have had a few suvs ran thru and stuff
That's a good idea. I know my Fi Neo 4.11s gasket is a lot thicker on the top side when not inverted (I have yet to invert bcuz of space restrictions but maybe if I remove the gasket and replace with my ⅛" butyl gasket tape then it'll fit. (Otherwise I'll routering out the top layer of my 3x baffle 😬). I'll post the experience on my YT channels.
I totally agree with you I've been saying it for years there's no reason for those subs to be at that price when everybody else is making subs a fraction of the price and gives you the same results
We’ve told Parker to use boxes made for the subs he tests. People have offered to build boxes for him for free. Instead he puts them in boxes not made for them and the result is meh.
I'm sure all the subs that he has tested probably could have done better in a box built for them but all the subs were tested in the same box and there were quite a few that did better numbers at a much reasonable price range
@@db2loud generally because this lower priced subs in that enclosure would be closer to spec so it’s almost in the optimal enclosure/power. With this sub it’s sooo much bigger so it displaces soo much more airspace & needs more of box to get it to spec, as well as a bigger port for the airflow this sub can produce. That’s why cheaper subs seem better because their almost in the perfect circumstances.
I just have a 10" sundown x v2 in a high output enclosures built by Dave Marin. I'm using a sundown sia 3500. I'm good with that 😀🇺🇸
Parker let's trie out the 20.000 rms taramp amplifier with 4-15"d1 punishers
Im surprised that Dave had the time to repair your sub. I had him build me four Sundown X8V3 with his DL Designs upgraded coils, one of them blew the tinsel lead within a few months. I tried contacting him several times, using several different methods but never got a response. I ultimately had to pay to get it repaired. I am not knocking Sundown or the subs that Dave builds but I cannot recommend him due to poor customer service and not honoring his warranty. I wish people would take pride in their work and take care of their customers.
He basically warranted the subwoofer only because it's on TH-cam he wouldn't have given him the time of day any other way
I run Pioneer & PSIs
We have sent several messages Dave and not one reply either so, yea, we will shop elsewhere. People get "too big" and then forget the people who helped get them there. "The customer"
@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome Yup and who knows how much special care they put into the rebuild because he's a youtuber.
Big facts
That sub definitely has alot of potential, especially with the right enclosure. Maybe even close to a 150 db...
Parker, great content! You were really pushing that sub! What's the chances of you doing a video similar to this on the nightshade v5?? Have you given testing that sub out any thought?
Hey Parker, really interested in hearing the 12" Onyx from Resilient Sounds. Every thought about testing one of these?
Yeah we need some resilient sounds on the channel
@CUJO & FRIENDS I miss my resilient sounds team 15 that was a monster sub I thought it was a 12 because the motor is so dam big
@Quetzalcoatl Toltec Sun God what happened to your RS team sub?
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 Not long after I bought it I had to sell it to buy a new TV
Damn i gotta get the box for mine built! Thanks for posting these motivational video's for me Parker!
Two SAZ-1500 anniversary editions should get it moving in my Ranger
Can you review something off Fi?
Great example of when a guy says all you have to do is invert the subwoofer, give it more airspace in its enclosure and it will be louder. Inverting is not always the answer
Can you imagine 6 of those Sun downs replacing the six in your big box? Wow. Good video Parker. Where was bass head kitty?? Lol
Awesome review man, had my headphones on and could feel the bass from that zv6 🎧😎
What you think about the sound quality of this sub? Jonathon Price said in a video that some people compete in sound quality with these subs which I find hard to believe as I never seen it. But would be nice to have a big sub that does sound really good and accurate instead of sounding sloppy like most all the subs do.
Agree!!
There's a hifi associate of Sundown called Stereo Integrity. I believe they use the same motors but a less stiff suspension to lower the fs. They seem to recommend going sealed with these. Seems they have a big following among DIY audiophiles. You may want to check them out. Though I bet the ZV6 sounds great as is.
I love these sub reviews but we are missing some huge factors when it comes to results for them. 1 being the relation between the sub and the port. That is why we get results like this that are less than exciting.
I agree port area and airspace is definitely a factor
@@tidobass6048 this is a great example of what to expect when upgrading subwoofers and what to expect as far as gains. If you throw money down on a woofer like this your probably going to be throwing money down on a new enclosure as well.
Each sub has specific recommendations for Port size and cubic ft of airspace. If you aren't using those then it's not going to sound as good as it can.
@@snauspockets9924 right, my point exactly. And a subwoofer of this caliber is going to really expose that..
Almost all these reviews aren’t that useful apart from visual enjoyment.
Using the same enclosure for every driver means that some are going to perform well and others won’t.
I get that Parker buys a lot of the drivers he reviews and that building an enclosure for every one gets pricey.
But I can’t understand why manufacturers will provide one of their drivers but not an enclosure with it. It’s not that much additional expense for them just to ensure that their product performs as well as they want it to.
This Zv6 should be getting 150+ dB. He’s got enough power on tap. It’s being held back by the wrong box/port combo
Wow, so the skars you tested did the same for a 1/4 of the price? A single evl 12 can get 144.4 for $200
Yo Parker bro you should do a 18inch review for the one time man.
Yep videos ago was DS18! I plan to do more soon
@@ParkerTheBasshead He means a 18 inch sub
@@ParkerTheBasshead 18 inch sub
Put it in the right box and that tip about getting into a wreck is priceless
I've only seen one of these once in person. One beautiful subwoofer and massive!
Apparently no one heard these subs in action before in the right enclosure but I’m here to tell you I’ve heard them and they get down!!
So you think that box was too small and when u blew the dc audio level 5 the box was too big ? I really think your frying the subs with your Brazilian amp u got there ?
Good cinematography… your getting better and better at this stuff, love your vids and review knowledge
This sub deserves one of our Wizard Industries EBS115 enclosures; a night and day difference!!
I hit 145.5 at 59 hz with my single 12 zv6 on a salt 4 in a 6th order
Literally felt the intro in my soul
Hey Mr. Parker....I love the sundown subs, currently I'm running a 12' Sundown Xv3 reconed with the ZV6 Spider & ZV6 8 Layer Coil so its like 85%-90% a ZV6...These subs like around 2.75 cubic feet minus port area, that's what I have mine at and mines tuned to 33hz, so I would build a whole different box for this subwoofer, and do another review, that way it can show everyone how much the right box for this type of subwoofer will make it come alive!!
Forreal. From what i see right here id tell people save the extra money and get the xv3.
@@justinjones5302
The Z series is more expensive than the X series.
i had the xv3s and switched to the xv5 and the xv3s ain’t shit lol
Currently I have the xv3 15 and was wondering about that same upgrade you have… how does it sound compared to the stock xv3?
@@daviddaupert1693 It sounds the same, Just handles more power now for longer and doesn't bottom out, or unload as easy, it changed my peak fs from 34hz to 33hz
The same box he blew it in lol nice!
Who would have thought that reducing the volume of the huge box would help. Someone tell Parker that box displace matters. A smaller box will help with power handling too Parker. It's physics bother. Too large of a box is basically like free air providing no support for the subs suspension
I want to see Sacrilegium 1 by Zeal & Ardor on one of those! It would be pretty brutal
One day, when my electrical is up to par lol. Love the intro to this video!
My 15in Skar VXF in a Gately 3.5 box sounds so much better though...you know, because it's in a Gately 3.5 box that matches the box size and port size recommendation from Skar. Port size and cubic ft...you gotta use the right box for each sub. Get the recommendation for thos from the sub manufacturer. Too many guys just plopping sub after sub in the same box thinking the sub size is all that matters.
I also EQ with a Mini DSP 2x4HD. Learned about that with my HT subs.
Even so...900 bucks no thanks.
That thing is choking. Chaffing like crazy..Build a damn box man!
Buddy you need twice the box you got for that monster and that sub is a 6th order bandpass monster. It will go hard in a 4th order too but 6th order will make it go bonkers. That 1 sub is a 150 db all day sub in that truck with that amp
its just amazing that you have had problems with two of the most expensive subwoofers
Let's see this vs the Deaf Bonce 3512R!!!
I'd love to see this put up against the Sundown N/s 12
I’m about 20 min from Sundown HQ lol we must stay close
I just bought one but what is all that rattling sound?sub,box,suv,or a little of each? I personally think you need a bigger box so I’m getting a 2.5 cubic ft box built after displacement.
The box what you using for testing is optimised for Sundown X12 V2, then of course it have the biggest chance that it will be the loudest - and obivously in your case it was up to date. I'm not saying that it is wrong, just not as accurate SPL results as it could be, because the subs you tested, had not equal chances, because of a box what is not optimal for them - maybe for some close, but not optimal. I mean with this, in my opinion 1 of DeafBonce or American Bass, or Skar sub maybe would outperform the X12 V2 in a proper box made for them, but maybe not... I think this Z easily will outperform the X V2 in a box optimised for it, so yeah, I would like to see it in a proper box. And also an idea: custom boxes made for your best subs.
My case: I have a Gladen RS-X 6.5 sub, I made a custom ported box optimised for it's TS parameters from the specs sheet like almost everybody doing when designing a custom box for a sub with not the manufacturer's recommended box specs. I found out that a Sundown X6.5 have similar shaped transfer function graph curve in any box like that Gladen sub, even their peaks are at the same freq in any box in a same listening enviroment, so I compared them with simulations: I simulated the X6.5 in the Gladen's box, and the Gladen was louder by few tenths of dB at the peak + up to 3-3.5 dB off from the peak on it's RMS power (250 W) like the X6.5 on it's RMS power (300 W), but the X6.5 not reached it's xmax, the Gladen just touched it's xmax, because for X6.5 is acceptable a bigger net volume box. After this I designed a custom box for the X-6.5, the X-6.5's peak was louder like the Gladen's in the Gladen's box, and also simulated in the X6.5 box both drivers, had the same transfer function differences like I wrote down just before on their RMS powers. But Gladen overpassed it's Xmax, so, I needed reduce the power for it in simulations, and after that obivously X6.5 became much louder like the Gladen at the peak, even Gladen was quieter at the peak like in it's box, but still a tiny bit louder off from the peak like the X6.5, just now I can't prove this with real tests, because Sundown's stuff is 1 - hardly avialable in my country, or 2 - it is way too expensive mainly because of shipping payments and similar things...
So, in any means, boxes optimised for the given drivers giving always the best results like for me: Gladen outperforms X6.5 in a box made for Gladen, because the Gladen box is a bit small for the X6.5, and X6.5 outperforms the Gladen in a box optimised for X6.5, because the X6.5 box is too big for Gladen, and even X6.5 outperforms the Gladen at the peak freq when both are simulated in their boxes = both subs have very similar sounding, Sundown is somewhat louder, but needs a bigger space, Gladen is somewhat more musical/daily, and needs a smaller place...maybe there's something similar reason why all (mainly "flaghip") subs you tested were quieter like the X12 V2 - maybe for some of them is a need for a bigger box because it's not using the driver's max output potential, or some of them is a need for a smaller box because the drivers starting to have bigger excursion at 70 percent of Bl on smaller power like in an optimal box... Or let's say even if the X12 V2 is truely the loudest, but I think the order from 2nd place downwards would be different for sure.
Skar is for the people. They understand that not everyone has bank
This sub is for hitting lows more than getting as loud as possible
Loving the skits. They definitely are always fun to see.
Thank you!!
I agree that skar/Sundown skit was gold!
did a 146.2 metered on the headrest with 1x10" Zv4 back in the days. was running it on a saz3500 in 0.5ohms... Killed 2 of them in the end (had a reserve)
They need to build them better for 900 bucks, you should be able to push them that hard on clean power... What's the point of all that Xmax if you can't push it to the point where you can use all of it without it gettin stinky, It would be cool if you could review the em audio 3k and 5k or even some of the psi platform 5 and 4 with the upgraded options.. I love sundown and what they do, but I think those brands above offer a better value, even the Savard high output subwoofers like the ho12. Which is like 450 but handles 2k every day.
My team mate has a pair of Resilient Sounds Platinum 12s running a 150.1 at the headrest on 2443 watts at 34Hz in the trunk. They sound good and take some abuse. RS FTW
You've really gotta try a DD AUDIO sub dude
i like that sub moves when you played coca cola
I’ve got one of these on a wolfram aw-5000 my box is twice the size of that one. Close to 4 cubic feet tuned to a 30 hz. Thing is filthy.
One day I’ll owne one of this subs 🙏🏻🤘🏻
Love your show bro..can you stick with the low rent subs..most of us can't afford to get $900 subs....😮😮keep on booooming baby..
The boy JP was a friend of mine til I caught him in my car trying to steal my Alpine
Hey parker, if you still have this zv6, maybe you could do the free air 5 minute test.
I have a couple of Ampere Audio Encore 12” subs. You should get one of those n do a review. Curious to see what they can handle.
I was waiting for that Subwoofer to blow again 😂🤣😂
I have a x12 v3 on sia 3500 always wonder if I would gain much by switching to a zv6
Hey bro how’s the sia 3500 keeping up
I wanted to put one on a sundown audio u12
Need a a better 12” box my man! Something meant for these monster 12” subs!
Does it rise like a mofo? As I understand it, having a massive motor results in more rise?!
I saw 1.2 …..
Wired at 0.5 ohm, that’s substantial impedance rise (box rise) 😝
It will rise like the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away
6:50 Mi Casa FTW!!!!
Amazing... dona review of the American bass Godfather 12s or 15s.. they are amazing
Nice! I'm about to play with my zv5s soon. Beast subs.
The Qts Was .39. Usually Subs Under .40 Don't Need A Whole Lot Of Volume For Thier Enclosure. Not Sure If It Correlates With Why Sub Was Louder With Motor In Box. What Kinda Shows The Box Isn't Ideal Is Your Impedance Rise. It's Only Going From .5 To 2.2Ish. My Subs Rise From .5 To 5.8 Ohms A Little Past Box Tuning Hz. Alot Of SPL Guys Rise Even Higher.
Oh And Was That Noise When You We're Playing Free Air Just Air Rushing By The Enclosure Opening Or Was That Suspension Creaking/Hissing?
Can you review the American Bass XMAXXX 12
Honestly though, I'd prefer my Deaf Bonce DB3515's over these and if you wan lows and power handling, bang for buck all around monster woofers then my wolfram PT-18's are where it's at!!! 4in PE coils 4krms each and get thisss I paid $650ea shipped yes'rrr
Wow i might go with your suggestion on the Deaf Bonce DB3515. How much does the DB3515 weigh? Wonder how the DB4515r sounds
Your box is too small... Your port area is wayyyyy to small and the tuning needs to be lower. Build a new box for it to watch it shine Parker.
Few days!!!!! Different Jp than I'm used to.😂 Oh TH-camrs get there shit bk quick normal ppl 8-10 weeks.
Hey Jacob, great vids, I’m thinking about getting x4 sundowns or db’s what do u recommend
It's more expensive than my Deaf Bonce Apocolypse DB-SA412 that I bought on clearance for $750 each...probably could have got something crazy for that price at Robotunderground if I had been willing to wait but at least it made me step up my electrical for the major power I needed to run the things...my wife says I'm out of control with my car audio addiction....she just doesn't understand
I agree, with you about both things, he could probably get 3 super subs from robotunderground but he’s reviewing popular equipment regardless of price , and the wife also believes I am insane ha ha ho ho he he
I just can't get behind chandler at RU, he says some of the most off the wall things. Box rise is a myth just turn the gain up... he supports pedophilia too 🤢
@Dage The Evil are you ok? Do you need someone to get you medical help?
For not agreeing with someone who supports child molesters? Sounds like you need the help if you are into that kind of stuff as well.
Ty parker the ts parameters are veri apreciated.
A sheet of mdf and a dowel shouldn't be too much and could net you a 145 on music I bet. The sub was probably only seeing 2.0cuft and they want way more so it would be a good video, tuned to like 27/28 with lots of port area will cause these subs to shine without hurting themselves.
I have that same db meeter , he doesn't let the bass play long enough to properly reed it it needs a good 2sec to register so he's losing about 2db by burping it so fast
All these large-roll subs are pigs with those long coils and heavy surrounds... 400g Mms. Moral of the story, if you actually intent to play music (targeting 35Hz+) you're better off with a conventional surround with less moving mass like a DC XL SPL or a Sundown U. With correct box loading there is no need for 40mm of xmax for bass extension as the f3 is dictated by motor force (qts) and volume. All these large-stroke subs are mainly good for
Love the videos bro! In your opinion, having tested a ton of subs, what 12" woofer is the loudest under $400?
Bro the ZVX Skars hands down
I thought the golden rule is clean power. I saw numerous times where your amp clipped. What gives Parker? Do as I say not as I do?
Sundown Monster Lows!!!!!🦺👍
i need a list of the music you was playing, sounds good homie
I've been running a Zv5 15" as a daily for about 18 months. In a 4.25 box tuned to 33hz on a Synergy 3.1. Sub still sounds great, just not the best sound quality as the box is pretty peaky.
4.25 box tuned to 33 hertz is too peaky? Something doesn't add up should be great low SQ.
@@vlad1889 I should have said sloppy, not peaky. But I'm running at .5 so that doesn't help the sq.
Parker, I watch all of your videos & I notice you don't do any reviews on any Resilient Sounds Subwoofers. I would love to see some testing on them as well as some head to heads between Sundown & Resilient Sounds subwoofers. Just an idea. I'm about to upgrade my single 12 to a single 15" & I'm torn between Sundown, Resilient sounds, & Fi. I love all 3. 😂🤷♂ Nice video tho. Keep the content comin bro.
Go with the sundown son. No pun
@@engineer4life90go with the sundown so you can spend your life savings + kids college fund on just the sub..... no thanks
Parker listen to music off TH-cam or download it just wandering what best just for a little set like this.
u should try out the harmony audio monolith 15 it looks like a budget banger