Secret Briefing: The Pedersen Device
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Welcome to your briefing on the new equipment we are issuing for the Spring Offensive of 1919. With this new secret weapon, we can finally push the Germans out of France and end the war!
Want to see a Pedersen Device firing? Check out my shooting video on Full30:
www.full30.com/video/2d4d7839...
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"OH BOY! I cant wait to use this OVER THERE"
-War ends in 1918-
"What a cock-block man"
GTS Revolution no problem, just 200 warbonds and you can use it whenever you want
AmberStormNeko I love history, ur gona see me around >w>
That's pretty much what Jack Churchill said when the US nuked Japan and stopped world war 2.
He knows when the war ended but it was more fun to pretend the war was still in progress since this device was not ready in 1918. :-)
Fascinating, but inaccurate. US forces wore their ponytails over the left shoulder.
Raymond Gill I heard special forces wear their hair in French braids down their backs, is this true?
During WW1 US Navy sailors wore their ponytails down the center of their backs , that's what the bib was for . You could descern a sailor from the front side by the neckerchief hanging down his chest . The accoutrements for the Pedersen Device were white canvas for naval personnel . Many US Marines were issued white accoutrements from ship's supplies , while many were issued the green ones with the Globe and Anchor stencil . Look at pictures taken of the 4th Marine Expeditionary Force / Naval Landing Party during the Assault on Kiel in April 1919 . My great grandpa was a sailor in the assault boat landing party in that action . I have his Pedersen Device magazine made of white canvas with "USS South Carolina" stenciled on it in my collection of family memorabilia .
LMAO
😂😂😂😂
@@victorwaddell6530 excellent
I'm not sure that hair is regulation.
John Fallon lol
They're drowning in mud in the trenches! Do you think they have time for hair cuts, and shaves?!?! Besides, the lice need a warm, friendly environment! Lice have feelings, too!!!!
actually they started to shave more often after the Gas attacks in WW1. Prior to the Gas attacks most armies required facial hair but changed those rules when the discovered gas mask did not work well with beards and mustaches. The men want to live despite the odds so they shaved. Note: this is also why Hitlers mustache looked so stupid.
+KillerSalmon But seriously imagine him in a trench with all the mud. You'd be able to find debris and fragments of shrapnel in his hair
John Fallon lol 1918 hippy roleplay lol jk nj ian
You can notice him having difficulty not falling back into his usual tone of voice halfway through the video, that's pretty funny.
An actor, I ain't. :)
@@ForgottenWeapons You're pretty funny, would be cool to see you in Red Alert 2 lol
@@ForgottenWeapons we love you and what you do regardless.
@@sonicknuckleswomble8927 "I'm escaping to the one place that still has forgotten weapons...SSSPPPAACCEE!"
It would’ve been really funny if you had someone walk in, whisper in your ear, upon which you then inform the viewers that the war is over and that they can go home
"I'm Sargeant McCullom and today we're gonna take a look at some of the guns in the upcoming war."
this is really high quality color footage for 1919. The audio quality is stupendous as well !
Painstakingly hand-painted frame by frame. The sound is a local voice actor reading a script in the theater.
I do miss the usual musical accompanist though...
and a bit late, seeing as the war ended in 1918...
Not of static garbage noise and grainy vertical lines. 0/10
@@NikovK painted?
Wow I'm convinced now this next spring offensive will really do it!
you know Hobbes i think you're right.
lmao
Funny Farmer don't worry Hobbes we'll do it
Why, with this new device, our troops will be home by May Day!
I'm not so sure.
that magazine gives me the creeps
i's not locked in at all?
i can imagine it catching on the wall of an enemy trench and falling into the mud
It's quite securely locked in place, just not with a latch like we would expect to see today.
@LogicalSense Little guy, whoever has been letting you tell stupid obvious word salad lies your whole life has turned you into a complete fucking clown
@@htomerif Yeah thank you for your valuable input I don't know what would have gone on here without it can I offer you a breath mint
@@misombra - maybe a hat, so that he can tell which end to wipe.
At least the magazine is up where you can see it while firing, so you'd notice that it's missing pretty quickly, and not get a nasty surprise when you pull the trigger.
Get off this flashing light box and get back to the front, soldier!
he cant, the war was over november 1918
Back to the front, you will do what I say when I say... Ah, Metallica.
@@afriendofafriend5766 barking of machinegun fire does nothing to me now... BACK TO THE FRONT!
Vaguely reminds me of the .22 conversions for the AR-15, having basically a stand-in .223/5.56 case on the front. But man, this thing was pretty genius. Converting a freakin' boltgun to a semi-auto is incredible no matter how you think about it.
I agree that being able to create this machine does demonstrate an insane degree of engineering prowess far beyond what I myself could ever do. That being said I don't think the Pederson would have been that combat effective
@@Agentporpoise For clearing trenches this is a great idea.
@@Wayf4rer not when it jams five times per magazine
Not only that, you can convert back and forth in 15 seconds
This was very informative, and really helped me prepare for the offensive.
5/5 Meritorious Service Awards
For a second I thought that said "Murderous Service Awards".
I knew it, he's a Closet time traveling WWI Vet.
No he is time traveling buffalo Bill!
Wait, ¿so is Karl's real name Jim FERGUSON? 😲😝
historians are allways baffled by the minigun ploughed up by a farmer in a Flanders field in 1952, for years they thought some doughboy had brought his gandpappy's gattling with him..
He has no name but the name we gave him. Gun Jesus.
I’d watch that version of doctor who... also... what do you mean... one?
In battlefield 1 there is a gun call the "1903 experimental". It's literally this, you can even see the person quickly convert it back to a bolt action
Obviously, as it's a video game, you perform the action quickly and flawlessly each time. It's also humourous how in video games you always acquire lightning-fast reloads of extremely heavy weapons, or hard-to-load weapons.
For games specifically it's better to focus on whats more enjoyable, rather than what's more accurate. No one is claiming that reloads were that fast or consistent, it's just fairer if everyone takes the exact same time to reload.
Harry McDonnell You're right. If it took ten minutes to unjam a machine gun in BF1, that would be extremely boring. If it took 60 seconds to load the Mauser c96, that would suck. It's all about playability.
+Harry McDonnell
Yeah but the animations are always amusing as hell if you know how the gun actually works, or have used one yourself.
it would be kinda of cool if they had a game mode were such this as weapon malfunctions and slow reloads were a reality
Who else us watching in 144p for added effect?
Wow. That's genius
I'm in the trenches right now eating a biscuit and coffee. My battlefield communication gear can only view this in low detail.
Shouldn't it be on 16mm reel to reel film?
Kent Vesser for true immersion
Dude like wtf?
official army jiggling confirm
this is so well made that I can't tell if the intent is to show that this device did help them drive out the Hun, or if this is how it would have been advertised and it actually did nothing.
It did nothing because the war ended before it could be issued to soldiers
Spoiler: The war ended in 1918.
So, as a German I now feel like a spy 0.0
Time for sabotage. Let's dump his tea in the harbor.
@@wolfhead21 And blame the indians for it.
If they'd actually used THAT it would have backfired so bad. Therefore,
I think the Kaiser will forgive you for being a bit late with that information...
Ian never learned that loose lips sink ships.
that is really cool and I love how you presented it, very creative. keep up the great work man
I absolutely love this channel. You have taught me A LOT about old guns. I've watched about fifty videos thus far. Keep up the good work Ian and crew!
i think this is your best video so far. information+entertainment=awesome :D
Love the way you presented this one Ian
This was an amazing idea and executed perfectly. I'd love to see more "vignettes" like this in the future!
That (without a doubt) was the greatest ending transition in existence.
Fantastic work Ian.
The way you set up this video is awesome, love the concept of showing off the conversion kit in this way. I would like to know more of the history of this device (a second explanation video maybe) going into more detail about why it was made. Great job, keep up the good work
Nicely done! I was figuring you would cover this when I saw it coming up at RIA, but I was certainly not expecting this Can't wait to hear how that big Spring Offensive of 1919 goes...
I'm a "gun guy" and never heard of this. great video sir and thanks for preserving and sharing our American culture.
Going back to watch videos from the early years. What a great idea for presenting The Pedersen Device!
I LOVED this episode format. You should do more like this. Nice job. I love this channel.
This was OP in BF1. Allowed you to feel not so naked as a sniper scout. Albeit at the cost of some range on the rifle proper. I don't think you could zero the sights.
This weapon is good for close range
Wow, I was waiting for someone to explain this! When I saw this conversion in bf1 game play I had no understanding of it! Great Video!
Love this kind of video of video. Makes me feel like I’m watching old troop instructional vids. Use to watch a tone of them as a kid when I found out about the world wars. Keep it up!
Thank you, Ian! I have been curious about this device for forty years. This I the first time that I have seen a comprehensive explanation of how it worked.
Thanks, you’ve done well. Very informative and interesting. I had never of thought a standard bolt action could be a semi automatic within the same unit and over hundred years ago
Ian Didn't the rifle require a special cut in the action for spent cartridges?
Yes.
My 1903 has the cutout
Catwithanm16, OMFG, that must cost a fortune
@@beakiethegoon4439 dont say that please
loved this style of video! kept me glued to the screen the whole time.
nice job Ian! love learning new things from all of your great videos! you do very excellent work thank you so much keep it coming for years please!
“...put the Hun on the run...”
Pure poetry. 😉
I recently heard of the pederson device, so I said let's see if Ian covered it. A comprehensive description of both the item and how it works. Ian is now the Google of firearms. Thank you for your knowledge.
the sepia tones and film grain made this video! great job ian! you are the best I know at what you do!
Sweet. I had read about the conversion parts, but never saw one "in person" like this, especially installed and demonstrated like that. Thanks-- pretty cool.
1919? That's new to me.
+chibani
And we had a plan for it an' everythin'.
All the commonwealth did in the Spring of 1918 was retreat...I wouldnt be talking.
@@williameaton9058 the only reason we the common wealth were in retreat was coz the russians went back home to fight its self and become communist.That is the only reason the russians just handed back the pows and said bye bye enjoy yourselfs and left us to it.That is the only reason we needed americas help.Now dont get me started on america in the second world war you didnt do shit came in in the last five minutes and claim you won the entire war your all full of shit
@@daveclose4935 That is not the only reason why 'you' were in retreat. The French were on the verge of falling into chaotic collapse. It is true that the Germans could transfer their troops from the eastern front to the western, but the sorry state in which the Allied defense then already found itself was not due to that. Besides, the Russians did not stick to their part of the bargain and tried to raise their army against the Germans again. But the revolutionary fight had just begun, and the 'Reds' were fighting the 'Whites', Ukrainians, Poles, who ever was in reach. There still was no Soviet-Union then.
How much difference is there between the .30 caliber cartridge this conversion uses and the .30 Carbine round used for the WWII-Korea era M1, M1A1, and M2 Carbines? And would it be possible for either cartridge to be used interchangeably or not?
Great to finally see a close up of one of these. I have a mk 1 '03 and always wanted to see a demonstration of the pederson device
Very cool! I never knew about these! I also love the way you did the video, great presentation!
I love this idea for videos
Are you planning to do it more often?
Love the presentation, err, breifing. :)
really liked how youve done this vid. smart idea and really entertaining. great work.
I loved your style for this video! keep up the good work.
id love to see this for BF1, it has such an interesting mechanism to it and a video game is probably the closest i could get to firing one
That was a very fun video. I enjoyed it a lot.
Great Video Ian love the style you did it in! Great fun!
I love the format of this video. I'd love to see more like it
That thing is bloody ingenious.
The epitome of awesome but impractical:
In Fiction: The BattleMech
IRL: The Pedersen Device
After only ever seeing the Pedersen Device in illustration for yeeears it was great to actually see one on camera. Thanks Ian and all involved!
This was very much needed. I love you Ian.
Missing the 2x scale model for a demonstration like this! :)
This is what Edmund Blackadder would refer to as a 'cunning plan'.
Or a top secret plan, like the 19 times before it, it involves getting out the trench and walking slowly towards the enemy...
As cunning as a fox who has just been appointed as professor of cunning?
Very nice Ian, you really nailed the tone.
Would've never learned of this cool piece of history, awesome job as always Ian!
Ian is getting his money's worth out of that uniform!
I wonder what common current pistol caliber would be compatible with a current rifle. I want a readily available pistol round that I can fire out of my 308. I feel a refined product like the Pedersen Device now days would take off like a rocket in the commercial market for plinking, more viable self defense, and also help new shooters develop their skills without developing a flinch or other bad habits. I know of a few single shot inserts for Mosin Nagant rifles that you could fire a different cartridge but nothing semi automatic and it involved ejecting the insert, ramming the case out, installing a new cartridge in the device and rechambering the insert.
no not really, because they have stuff like cmmg .22 for the ar-15
no need for this, when you have the AR platform where all you need is to change a upper and can shoot 9mm .45acp w/e you want..
I never get tired of Forgotten Weapons. It’s so well researched and presented.
Real very very sign. Your demonstration today on this film is a home run.
Curious how much economic sense it made to institute this device vs new firearms in a pistol caliber. Pederson device + mags + web gear. Just makes me wonder.
Thanks for sharing, not likely to see that device covered anywhere else.
a question still asked in the most modern procurement. .. and the answer is: " the F-35A is 3x cheaper than modifying, repairing & maintaining F-16C/D's & their logistics"
... with the upgrade of the F-35A...
It's a reoccurring theme that you've hit on, whether it's keeping your old 1970's porcshe 911 & continuously putting modern parts on it vs shelling out for a new one & benefiting from the upgrade & lack of bills... or tearing down an old drafty shack with only electric baseboards & building a new insulated house & saving $20,000 a year on heating... and the modern comforts.
Modifying old stuff is a running tab on your pocketbook & the required capability it's supposed to be filling.
The barrel is the most expensive part of a weapon, so the fact that the most expensive part was already made, and the life of it could be extended by using a much weaker round supplying men with these would have been a lot cheaper than a Thompson each.
no economic sense whatsoever since the sten gun. this thing is multiple complex forgings tooled meticulously to squeeze a moderately powered pocket pistol into a pre-existing rifle receiver. you could build 5 sten guns more rapidly, and less expensively. it's a curio of a "secret weapon to break the stalemate", a really ill conceived idea born of desperation. it really has NO viable purpose in any form of warfare, of any era. the army wasted NO time in scrapping them (as in razor blades), so they must have ultimately agreed.
The Sten was made quite a bit later, so you need to compare it with SMGs of the time, which were expensive.
The concept is closer to the sub-calibre insert used by many armies as as money saving device, much cheaper than a new weapon. Their use was intended to increase squad firepower and not arm every man.
The fact they were scrapped when the War ended (actually in 1931) was because they weren't needed as the US was already working in on a semi-auto main arm.
+ludditeneaderthal True about the economics, but this is circa 1918 for 1919 usage, so no 'Sten'(*) for another 21 or so years.
And rather than longer development time for a whole new SMG/WW1 (semi-)auto rifle, cartridges, ammo storage/carriers etc, it was faster & cheaper for them back to make a drop in kit based upon existing worker/gunsmith skills and industrial knowledge of the/that time.
*the Sten itself was influenced/developed from the Bergman/Lanchester SMG which used the hotter 9mm Parabellum, I believe.
>many of these devices
Wow, was some new cache discovered? I remember some years back these were spoken of as numbering in the dozens at most?
I would guess there are about 200 still around.
That was awesome Ian! Keep up the great work!
It is nice to see such creativity. Great job.
I wish someone would make things like this in the modern era.
"Held in place by spring tension" sounds like lots of half full magazines being dropped or flung away from the shooter.
No, actually they are held very securely.
Great video - I like how you keep things fresh and creative. Keep them coming.
I would like to see more faux instructional videos from you and Karl.
I really enjoyed the way you projected this video or "short film" as if it were provided in the First World War. was really entertaining and interesting.
Why has no one reproduced this? It can't be legal issues. If you can drop a glock into a Roni this must be. Is a part for part copy really that technically difficult?
Name a common .30 caliber cartridge suitable for a small blowback action. I think that's the biggest reason nobody has made new ones.
I'm no expert, but what about .30 M1 carbine?
Also, that got me thinking: What if we weren't talking smaller pistol calibres, but bigger rifle calibres. Barrett M82 shooting .50 Action express? That would end anyone rightly.
Forgotten Weapons Maybe form brass by cutting down .30 carbine or down load .30 Mauser.
Logan Barnette That still functions as a bolt action. 7.62 tokarev would destroy a straight blow back gun like the pedersen.
Forgotten Weapons People make reloads for the French 1935 pistol. That used an extremely similar round
This is really cool. I can't believe no one has reproduced these! There wouldn't be any legal problems because it's not automatic, and it's only a pistol cartridge. Plus it couldn't possibly be copyrighted or something still. Either way, this is a fascinating piece of kit that I kinda wish they had gotten to use at least for a bit, so we could at least have more historical documentation on it and how it would have worked in the field.
It's so cool that you an Indy are working together!!
Bro, whoever restored this footage should get a raise, this looks like it was shot on a modern camera!
Looks very similar to a CMMG .22LR conversion for an AR-15.
same basic concept
Please tell me you plan on getting one and showing how it shoots, or is it one of those that are unusable relics?
I would love to do some shooting with one, but I have to find an owner willing to let me.
Thanks for sharing this historical document. :-) Great video!
this video was really cool and fun to watch Ian makes me happy
Is this a replica Pederson device? it looks brand new
No, it's original.
Forgotten Weapons wow! looks freakin brand new, so there still out there on the market? how much does one in that condition run
IronZombie ~$60,000
Casual_Cthulhu ow
Of course it looks unused, the film is from WWI when the device was new :)
..on your way to Hollywood Ian??
Can't believe I missed this one! Amazing video, Ian!
and that's how you make videos like a boss. Good shit man!
Where the hell...THATS AWESOME
that moment when americans say hun
Go down south. You'll get called "Hon" by all the diner waitresses.
We call em krauts
Huns here are brits
Weren’t the huns somewhere near China?
@@justustherighteous371 all the Tribes started out in Central &/or northeast Asia, then got pushed slowly west by each other. The huns when we hear about them were in central and eastern europe
That was an awesome episode. Learned allot about that device.
love all the info of your videos
Remove your bolt assembly and use it to end him rightly!
Sincere question from a gun newbie who suddenly owns a 1903 Springfield rifle. The gun was used also in WWII right? Surely the pederson devices must have seen some action there? Also, I'm still unclear why someone hasn't recreated them. In the comments on this video it says its because no one makes the ammo. The devices are worth upwards of $100,000. So...let's make some...AND we'll make the ammo. People do that. I know a guy who makes his own ammunition. Why has no one done that? Seems like a no brainer.
Pedersen devices are not worth anything near $100k. They were never used because they were all scrapped in the 1920s as unnecessary. Reproductions have not been made (IMO) because they require some permanent modification to the 1903 parent rifle, they are quite complex to make, and the ammo is unavailable and not easily replaced by any other caliber (you would need a straight-wall .30 caliber pistol round weak enough for a blowback action). And the number of people who actually follow through with money to buy reproduction guns is always a small fraction of the number of people who say they would.
your best bet is to use it in battlefield 1
Here's one that sold for $60,000. www.rockislandauction.com/detail/58/1852
They were scrapped after the war and the project was kept secret. in WWII there really was no need anymore for such a weapon especially because of the M1 rifle. It really was an ad hoc solution, not something really practical in the long run.
Great ad and instructional video for a upgrade of the 03 rifle.
You should definitely do more videos like this is probably the best video so far 👍
Ah, the Pedersen Device. The most Forgotten of Weapons.
Fun and informative video, but your acting is not quite Oscar level! ;-) I might have bought it more if your ponytail was not draped over your shoulder. Is that ammunition currently manufactured by anyone (I doubt it)?
Nope, nobody.
7.65 French Long will interchange, but it is also quite rare at this time and old French ammo notorious for dead primers. Old gun magazines of 1960's showed Pederson ammo at $8.00 per 100. Few at time knew that it could be used in French M1935A or M1935S pistols selling as surplus around same time. The .30 Pederson ammo just a curiosity back then, probably why you occasionally see a box at gun shows, likely purchase by some deceased gun guy 50 years ago.
+Forgotten Weapons why didn't they use this ammo for the m1 carbine? Seems very similar
Way too short. Carbine round much longer.
+Dor Aran but it's a 30 caliber bullet going 1500-1800 feet per second, they were designing a gun from the ground up, why not use existing ammo? And a shorter oal would help the carbine IMO, it has weird feed issues because the cartridge is long.
ian you are the best for complete knowledge on firearms on the net let alone youtube.
Great video Ian, keep it up!
would that actually work? it looked to be in great condition to my completely untrained and unqualified eye
I expect it would work quite well. Seems to be mechanically totally functional.
Is the .30 cal Pederson ammunition available?
Hahaha, no, you'd have to make your own. These never saw service and were mostly destroyed after wasting away in a warehouse for 10 years.
***** actually... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65%C3%9720mm_Longue I thought I would goggle it. ;-) Should have to start with. Thanks
I don't know how well standard 7.65 longue would work in it. You'd have to tweak the loading to get an accurate repro. I'd also want to avoid modern standard loadings or out-of-spec loadings (at least, something that differs from what it was made to shoot) simply because of the rarity of Pedersen devices. It literally is one of a handful left in existence.
Isn't that a cute lie at the end? I thought these were incredibly rare. Has Rock Island found a secret stash of Pedersen devices?
Love it! Interesting device, and a great job on the video!
Most understanding and reasonable training sergeant I’ve ever seen