McLaren MP4-12C Cheap For A Reason?
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This really helped me choose between the McLaren and the Honda Civic.
Ewie M 😂
Yeah grass cutter are better
Ewie M if you can’t afford Tiffany don’t take your fiancé shopping there for a diamond ring.... go to the other store
@@dbdeluxe just because the car is expensive dies not justify it being expensive to maintain. Besides its a joke
I know im late but the VTEC tech that burns oil for extra HP
Value dived because McLaren would come out with a new model every other year. Before you know it your car is 3 generations old.
Thanks for this video Rob, have been strongly considering a 12c.
Street Speed 717 caught you! Lol
why would you consider the same car as buddy
+Street Speed 717 no problem, great drive just better off buying a warrantied one.
you dropped a 360 and a gallardo off at my house in 04 or 05, i live in montvale nj and we had a blue 911 turbo that we owned. you might remember it being in the driveway, let me know if you remeber. we rented each car from gotham dream cars for about a week each
@streetspeed717 Don't get rid of the Z!!!
I used to have a MP4
From Sony
Adam Hanafi good one. saddens me that Sony is extinct in the music player biz.
me too , and hate the freaking software to put music into it xD
Adam Hanafi as
I used to have a Type R
Air freshner
I used to have a Bugatti
Cologne
A British car with electrical gremlins...never heard that one before...
Think yourself lucky it's not an Italian car or motorcycle with electrical problems...
😂
Actually Aston Martins have almost none electrical problems
+greathey1234 Nice joke, mate!
@@basshead. mine is 12 years old and has never given me any issues so far
Lets just talk about the Liberty walk 458
Pumpkin Man miata*
i was talking about the white ferrari 458 dumbass
It's fucking worthless lmfao
Yeah we know. It still looks like shit.
do all these supercars just break down every few thousand miles and cost a fortune to fix or do you just have bad luck
+Westin Mcclister its random, just hope it happens under warranty.
superspeedersRob Would you say a used Lamborghini Gallardo is a better option? (not the manual for obvious clutch issues)
+superspeedersRob if I buy a used mp412c, should I get an extended warranty? If so which warranty do you recommend? Thanks
Not Telling bumper to bumper
Carmax bumper to bumper warranty...LOL
I like that you always show the other side of owning a supercar
$35K repair bill? F*ck that.
Now I know why 12Cs have depreciated.
I can't believe a steering rack and a bad battery could cost as much as a brand new Camaro 2SS with full trim... That's ridiculous!!!
I don't understand why these manufacturers of supercars can't make a car that won't break. it's really mind boggling that you pay $130,000+ for a car that can break at any point..
tmacfan16 There have been some exceptions - Dodge Viper and Audi R8 V8 are some of the few more reliable cars of this category.
Not really the best examples. Not much to break on a Viper to be honest and I wouldn't class the R8 V8 as a supercar at all. Slower than my old 997, not that impressive. Also, very, very heavy depreciation on R8s and not that "reliable" - do some research on leaking dampers.
and the Huracan, espically since partnered with Audi
any car can break at any time for any reason, some more than others.
Audi's also aren't that reliable. Maybe AMG GT-R will be a reliable supercar.
now I have an excuse other than money not to get a McLaren.
It could just be me, but the sound levels are really low in comparison to other videos.
keep the issues with cars going. so I guess the 10 year old lamborghini is the way to go.. without warrenty
+matthew george ill do a video soon comparing them all.
superspeedersRob that my friend, would be awesome. I have decided if I get my 10 year old lambo it's going to be from NJ or fl, hopefully next year.. your videos are very genuine, simple and entertaining.
matthew george you can always get a less than 10 year old Austin Martin with BUMBER TO BUMBER UNLIMITED MILEAGE WARRANTY
GO30tv 〽 can't do that. have to have a 10 year old lambo, already had a 10 year old bentley. next has to be italian... lol
+superspeedersRob can u do a video about maintenance of a used Bentley or Maserati. Or do u know about 2009 maserati grantruismo or 2007 Bentley continental gt
All McLaren's come with a battery trickle charger. They include it for a reason. Use it and your battery will be fine
thanks Rob, these videos are always so nice and educational
Any car that can still sell for over $100K is NOT cheap!
John Smith Yes I agree. Good value is probably a more suitable term
It's all relative. For your "normal" household, certainly not cheap, but for someone who can buy sport cars no problem, it's another story.
It is when $100k is 30% of the original price.
Yes is cheap... If you can't afford it, it doesnt mean that it isnt..
for example, if suddenly an offer of buying a private boening747 pops at 10 million dollars, it is VERY Cheap but it doesnt mean that maybe I can afford it.. but it still cheap
With the mclaren is the same, it's a car as good as a 458 and it's almost half the price (but now you can see why)
If it's selling for $100k would be almost 50-60% off MSRP....
is that video old? the jeans are from 2005 lol.
Great video Rob! It's so tempting to jump on one of these 12C's, especially now that they've dropped below $100k but I think the lustre would wear off quick if I ran into even half of the problems you've described
I love that I learn something each time I watch one of your vids. Thanks!
1. Mclaren offers an extended warranty. 4K for 2 years and renewable up to 12 years/unlimited mileage Saves any expense and everything is covered under warranty. 2. The battery going flat means you didn't have it on a trickle charger. 3. The AIS upgrade kit is actually cheaper than a new kit and includes a new screen. 4500 for the kit which has GPS and rear camera vs a plain ol screen. 4. If you need someone to work on it, talk to a tech that knows what they're doing, will save you tons than going through a dealer. 5. 15,000 miles on any exotic is a TON of miles.
I’ll take the 12 year
12 years?
Looks amazing in this color!
Agreed, I thought the same thing. Also, I like the front much better than the redesigned one on the 650S. Dunno, other people say it's derivative, but I feel it's much more elegant & less flashy.
Same for me, 12C is beautiful, 650 and 675 front end never grew on me.
I think it looks like an old mans car in this colour and these rims.
Great stuff Rob. Honest review of these great marques, no BS. Awesome TH-cam channel for those of us interested in exotic cars. Like StreetSpeed, was strategizing how to acquire a 12c in view of their massive depreciation.
$3k for a battery is just horse shit.
Lithium batteries are very pricey generally.
Robert Wolfe yeah but not $3k. I have 18 and 24v lithium drills and the most I've paid for a brand battery was about $250. Much smaller of course but not small enough to consider $3k to be priced fairly. Likewise my RC planes run lithium batteries and run about $60 for a 11v. The majority of the price would go towards Mclaren branding etc. But my point is that it is sold as a road car. 90% of these Mc's sold will be road driven and never see a track and like Rob said, the weight advantage isn't relevant. There is absolutely no reason to run a lithium battery. They could run an excellent dry battery and even with good margins for the dealer, sell them at $500. If I owned a Mc and was told I was looking at 3k, which would be closer to 6k here in Aus for a battery, id be trading the car on a 458. You expect to pay more for a supercar part, for instance if an exhaust header was 3k, well ok, it's an art piece, they don't break often, you'd wear it, but a consumable part like a battery that depending on how the car is driven might only last 24 months, $3k is a definite deal breaker.
TheAussieStig30 A stock comparable lithium battery for my Exige is between $900 to $1500 USD while a AGM lightweight racing battery is about $200 to $300 USD. Depending upon Ah a lithium car battery for my Exige can range from $900 to about $2500 depending upon which company. McLaren uses lithium because it must remain on the cutting edge of material science no matter the cost.
Robert Wolfe definitely. I supplied batteries for 15 years and the most expensive I supplied was the same as what V8 Supercars use and from memory it sold for under $600 and was about the size of a motorbike battery and was extremely light. It went into either a F5000 race car or a V8 Commodore circuit car. It's fine for Mclaren race cars or purpose sold MP track cars to use the expensive batteries, but for a car that is sold as a road going car, buyers have the right to expect they can buy consumable parts without costing ridiculously disproportionate amounts of money. The other side of this is that there will be people out there who either get wrong information or won't pay the money will try to fit a normal battery and then damage the vehicle rendering it needing expensive proprietary software patches or flashing, which could lead to the car being sold and another person needing to spend big dollars to fix it.
My father owns 2012 12c we have the car for 3 years he has put 20k miles on it so that means he drives it quite a lot. We haven't had any major issues once the wiper broke and it was covered by the warranty. So if you are planning to buy a 12C you must buy a classified car with a warranty. Also, it was surprising because we had to leave the country for 1 month and my dad made a stupid mistake he didn't plug the car in a trickle charger so we thought the battery was going to be dead, but everything was fine and the car started up on the first try. My father is so happy with the car and with McLaren as a brand now he is trying to find a 675LT but he is waiting for the perfect spec.
Honestly people. Just buy a Porsche... If you have alot of money, just get any Porsche you like.... Seriously... Porsche
Porsche is too safe though. They are not unique and their appeal quickly wanes especially if the owner uses it as a daily driver non-track toy.
***** I was using the word safe in a metaphorical sense. Porsche does everything perfectly which can be a bit tiresome.
Porsche still got their problems home boy, remember the engines that randomly grenade on the 996 and 997?
When all hell breaks loose buy a Porsch-a! Oh Porsche does everything so good and they're reliable so that makes them boring? I don't get it.
Shazy What was the cause? I bet a new engine is about 30 grand.
Salomondrin better start taking notes. Cuz he buying mclearns now. Cringe150 can only afford these lemons cuz he's sponsored by them
Papa Fisherman goomahh shmee owns a tech company and makes money that way though...
he has 675lt which is more modern and better, MP4 was their first and it probably sucks, 675lt drives fine
Shmee definitely gets a discount on almost all his cars. But McLaren also does some or all of his servicing for free
*videos like this one, is the reason I LOVE THIS GUY*
*STAY AWESOME,STAY BLESSED"
These are the videos that I enjoy from you! Quality not quantity.
Thank you for this video, I was considering a 12-C to replace my R8. Lol but not with issues like this. $$$$
Julio Garcia don't just go by this video the MP4 12-C is a great car! Just be smart when buying one. Get a extended warranty and you'll be all good.
Julio Garcia wow! Nice R8!
Julio Garcia spend a little more and get the 650S!
get in touch with Doug Demuro, he'll hook you up with a bumper to bumper warranty. And while you're at it, make sure to check out his column on Autotrader where he'll talk about the warranty in greater detail!
robert335ijb4 *spend a shit load more I think you mean.
The 650s will run you around $250,000
Rob, I'd LOVE to see you do a video about Gallardo ownership. It'd be great to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
Love the video tell people the truth regarding buying a older car. A lot of people just see the cheaper prices without thinking about repairs / parts
These are my favorite videos. Keep it up rob
Should have bought a aston martin with a unlimited mile BUMPER to Bumper warranty
goodfella21f it was a reference
Bumper to bumper is not what it seems. Anything that is wear and tear will not be covered. lol
that color looks badass on a elegant looking car... maintainin the low key
So glad you posted this. I have a 360 and was looking at these McLaren) because you don't have that expensive clutch job. Never thought about the steering or battery. Thanks.
GREAT VIDEO. Very informative and the best that I have seen from Rob
Rob, sounds like the dealer took you (or the extended warranty company) to the cleaners and misdiagnosed while they were at it. Notchy steering on the 12C is commonly indicative of faulty Accumulators. These affect the handling and give it that smooth ride. When they go bad you get that notchy steering and/or somewhat rougher suspension ride, as if all three settings are a variant of race mode. The steering will feel like it gets stuck in spots at random. The new style accumulators are $2k installed for all for corners. These would have likely been replaced as part of the whole steering rack system which is why the problem was resolved. The $3k battery, I agree, is ridiculous. The other issue with the battery going dead and the window being stuck is easily resolved by jacking the front driver side, remove the wheel and wheel liner, and pull the trunk release cable. Putting the tender on for a couple hours would have then cracked the window, or replace the battery. But shattering the window was avoidable. But I agree, the car is full of gremlins, I've experienced nearly EVERY one of them. But despite this, it's never stranded me. My tip is to carry a bluetooth ODB-II to clear codes. I wouldn't use this car as a rental because when they decide to go into limp mode, the renter won't know what to do. Despite all this, it's still the best bang for the buck supercar. Huge step up from a GTR or R8, with the panache and performance of a Ferrari or Lambo, but a Porsche price tag. Honestly, what is as fast out there and looks this good for this kind of money? A car that is as fast as the 488 GTB at half the price and the doors of a billionaire.
Damn, i never thought about all of this, especially with an MP4-12C
Great video. I love this channel exactly for these information car type videos. Liked before I even watched. Thanks Rob. :)
wow thats crazy repair bills, great great advice as always, Thank you Rob 👌👍👍
I think more people should start reporting things like that... These are not acceptable in cars so expensive... Either they should stop overcharging or up their quality...
Troy Sowers are you watching?
LMAO I was just thinking the same thing! Small world ;)
Can you imagine if he had to deal with these $37k costs?!!!
Caffey he has a warranty
Caffey funny you should mention that, he just went back to his old lambo
His car is under warranty.
walfy melo What do you mean by "he went back to his old Lambo"?
As always love the video rob!
Great video! I have been looking at a 12c this video made me change my mind. Thanks for the great info.
very uselful video this, can you make more videos like that on what to expect from different exotic cars? im not far away from buying my 1st exotic car(sls amg) so it would be useful to get some pro tips on that 😊
that is, if u can call the sls amg exotic haha
Genes what are YOU even talking about?? I know it is an exotic car but i also know a lot of people don't consider an exotic like ferraris and lambos and what not. Please read carefully before replying
Is that slammed 458 blessed too?
thankks rob. you are a great reality check. in terms of buying a car but then thinking about maintenece costs. some people forget about that i thjink
Your Knowledge Is Great Rob!
In the future, that was what launched Mclaren as a car company and that will rise in value.
Imho, the face of the 12c is better than any Mclaren now.
@Kristof Alexy Yes, it was NOT the F1 as that was NOT a production model car. No serial production. I agree with you. 12C's weren't well built. But, like Jaguar XK120's of the 50's, mechanics will get used to them and find ways of fixing them better. Again, I say that the 12C was the beginning of McLaren as a car company and surely the first model they built will rise in value at some point in the future.
Your mad.
@@TrustMeIKnowEverything You're. Considering your name, you should've known that.
@@jpracingph oh sorry. Its not imho that is short for in my honest opinion. Basically when I'm quickly writing a message addressing a moron I usually can't be bothered to actually address you correctly. But if you want I'll try. You're a moron.
And no you're wrong. The 650s is way way way better value.
British cars with electrical problems who knew ?
is that like the myth of american cars having shite interiors?
SNORKYMEDIA Lmao, they're both true, no need to be offended
Thanks for the heads up Rob. Great informative vid.
Clear honest review. Thank you. I'll scratch it off my list. Cannot stomach the risk.
what makes a steering rack cost 35k?!?!? even with the labor cost...sounds like they make it expensive for no reason at all
I had to put a new steering rack on a range rover 2 months after it left the showroom.. cost $3.5K (on warranty). I thought that was exorbitant :0
why does mclaren charge $35000? because they can
Well, every car manufacturer makes most of the money on parts, if you make millions of cars you have millions of potential customers. If you have less customers, you need to charge them more. Not just that, but since you're not producing millions of parts it literally drives up the unit price.
And like the previous response said, they charge that much because they can. You really don't have an option, if you were driving a car worth 5k and the repair cost 5k you could make the decision to buy a 10k car for the same price. In this case you're stuck with a McLaren. And if you want to retain resale value you need a good service history so you got no option.
35k seems reasonable on a Bugatti repair but should be 10k on McLaren......
I wonder if you can get used parts somewhere for this car. That would give your wallet a huge break!
Wow there are like no McLaren dealerships in northern US. If you have a dealership-only issue, you might have a 600+ mile trek to get your car fixed. (unless they have more places that fix them that are not listed on their website)
My guess is that they do what most low volume supercar companies offer. For things that can be fixed quickly they may send someone out to fix the car. If it's a more involved repair, they'll transport the car to a location where it can be worked on
areitu Assuming you're out of warranty, I'd wager that all would be out of pocket for you, rather than the dealer.
Rob these jeans are horrible lol
Did you laugh out loud? Really?
Super helpful video dude bc these cars are a steal right now. Thx for the info to elaborate.
Summary of this video:
British Electronics.
Nope. Exotics are fragile and stupid expensive.
what were the electronics like on every other manufacturers FIRST car?
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Spoken by someone who doesn't know anything, lol
@@SNORKYMEDIA good point
Do a video on the slammed ferarri
Very good information and well presented. Thanks very much.
Food for thought. Starting to rethink the whole exotic car thing. You probably saved me a few bucks and mucho headaches.
Tell us about the 916 914/6 to your right...
it seems like all these super cars are junk, what a let down. shit maybe a Vette would be the way to go
Tactical overheats
Depends on which one
K.C.'s RC finally someone with some brains. JUST those models overheat when being pushed really hard. The problem Can be fixed easily. Also almost every super/hyper car over heats when being pushed really hard thats the price you pay when pushing a lot of HP.
and the z07 had upgraded cooling in 2015-16. So it didn't overheat much even in auto
Thats why you get a high end Porsche
Nicely done, and very informative. Thanks
I was really considering this car. Thanks for info.
A steering rack and a battery worth 1/3 of the total cost of the car. Seems better to as soon as something breaks on a -12, part it out and buy a new one. You'll have cash left over.
LOL true.
It probably costs 300$ to mclaren and they sell it as 34700$ in labor
TheFPSPower the steering rack does not cost McLaren $300..lol
Big Boss It's just an example, ofcourse these aare expensive parts, but not that expensive, else the car would cost a lot more.
TheFPSPower Agree
mclaren could make a prius clone and charge $100,000
Rbreeze 78 so basically what Aston did with the cygnet
Thanks again for sharing Rob
I love these videos especially when I actually plan on buying a McLaren at some point. But it's really good stuff to know
I understand supercars will have 'problems'.. but does anybody make a reliable six figure car? It seems like you either get a good motor with a junk transmission or vice versa or the car is full of electrical problems.
Hercules Rockefeller Porsche
Acura NSX and believe it or not Audi R8.
Lexus LFA, Acura NSX, R8, Porsche 911.
Wasn't Porsche literally just doing recalls on all their PDK cars??? Did I miss something where recalls meant a car was reliable?
Joe11Blue Recalls mean the issue is being addressed before it becomes a problem for everyone. Still means there's accountability. Better than letting the issue persist.
My 650s was just in a 2 month repair... $30k
the.leviathan lol a year salary for a repair.. after 2 fing months. Its 2016, why isnt McLaren making reliablity an issue
Kenanlambo, if $30K is a year's salary then you don't have the 650s in the first place.
kenanlambo Will be publishing a video on that shortly. It's still a secret :D
for a normal person in middle class that is a years salary, which is what he is saying
$30k is not middle-class. Middle-class starts at like $60k.
I think that would be a fantastic idea! To see what repairs could be swapped over from other cars. I don't make a crap ton of money but I do get pretty substantial bonuses once a year. I was considering taking a bonus + incentive and going with a DB9, F430 or something along those lines (again, I don't have buckets of money lying around). So to hear someone say "you can use this part and it'll work" would be fun.
Good knowledge Rob...Thanks!
Rob, please stop turning and looking at the car. Thank you for all the videos.
Cheap? Wish I could afford a car that 'cheap' haha
Nice to watch somebody that knows what they are talking about!
love your honesty.
get a bumper to bumper carMax warrenty...
That 458 looks like shit.
hellobooom that's why we all have our own taste. I personally think the colours are bad, but it would look good
hellobooom you'd still drive it though
It's 2sexy as a Ferrari
It does! Lets take an italian supercar and stance it out like a jdm $5000 Honda
That's not stance bro. It's just slammed with a Liberty Walk kit on it. Stance cars have ridiculous negative camber angles. Plus most stance cars I see are static. I bet you this 458 is on bags.
I am shocked about the unreliability and costs to repair of this car. Wow, thanks for your honesty and sharing. Not many supercar owners want to reveal such problems.
I replaced a steering rack/pinion-gear on one of my cars myself over the weekend. It was heck!
I stayed up late at night working on few issues with my car and finished around 3 am, which was 2 hours before I had to get up for work. The steering rack that I got cheap had came with some weird gaskets that don't even fit anywhere so I just used the old gaskets if I could. I am sure I skipped at least a few of the line gaskets. And now today, 2 years later, any steering fluid that goes in will just leak out the next few days. So I just drive it without the power steering and it really got me to learn more about my car and the handling around corners. You can feel the car more, feel the road more, feel the tires more. Edit: But now I get some uncomfortable feeling in my left ribs when I take right turns, so I gotta technique the turns.
What I got from this video:
Buy a new NSX instead.
Joe11Blue Nope, buy an old NSX. There's a reason old 911s, 355s, etc. are sought after; owners have half a chance of keeping them roadworthy. In another decade, if this McLaren is any indicator, all these modern hybrid super cars will be static art works. Some people will disagree with me, citing examples of alternative ECUs where old hardware is emulated by modern hardware. At which point having the original ECU will suddenly become as important to the resale as matching chassis and engine numbers.
Andrew Small
You're going to sell an expensive car in a down market...
Thanks for the vid Rob
Awesome insight rob!
Why would anyone buy that piece of shit if all that stuff breaks within 15,000 miles?
nice pants lol
Rob is my spirit animal
You just became my best friend in the sports car world. You speak my language. I can squeeze, budget and manage my honest man's income to buy a fairly interesting car but I need it to be reliable reasonable to maintain and repair. Maybe it's boring that my Porsche 911 is a base model but so far, nothing has gone wrong, scheduled services are not too ridiculous once the warranty ends, there are non-dealership shops that specialize in the brand. I do think McLaren currently makes the best looking sports cars on the planet. Am hoping to hear that overall cost of ownership is coming down with newer models.
Oh... I own an McLaren MP4-12C
In Real Racing 3
ok NO - Lets talk about that Slammed Abortion, Spaghetti. Did you buy that?! You're progressively going str8 #TunerBro on us. lol
Heard some of the same things. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Very good information.Thanks.
Rob please get slimmer fit jeans, those look awkward my dude. 😂🔥
steez not everyone likes dressing like a bitchmade manchild.
OMGWTFLOL thank you haha
Imo none of the supercars is worth the time and money. You can have all the fun you ever want without scraping up your overpriced car with just a random muscle, or mid range sports car.
Ford GT isn't too bad...the old Ford GT at least.
ftffighter huh. Ford GT'S are worth almost double the price they were when new in '05
RtdXyron You want a reliable "super car" get a Porsche. You will never regret it.
I was meaning reliability and price of parts
Giovanni Santana Porsche has never been reliable, repairs are expensive. They do have a very good warranty if you have one. Also some models their engines break to often while others catch fire. I know all this from personal experiences.
There's a simple rule with buying cheap used cars that are way more expensive when new.
The car might be cheap now, but the parts and the fixing will still be charged as if the car is new, i.e. expensive AF.
Great vid and info Rob
Excellent video. It gives me prospective of owning one of these exotics
Rob - you turned around to point at the car 68 times during this video. Ha! Just look at the camera and talk. We know what car you're talking about we don't need you to point at it every 3rd word.
This car is just not that fast, sophisticated or even exotic to justify any of that, and its looks so mid-engine-supercar generic, plus from all the reviews i have seen its driving dynamics are somewhat limited and artificial, well it got the carbon tub going on for it, but besides that...junk.
***** Maginally faster, and the 458 is known to be much better to drive at and beyond the limit, also more involving.
It's very very fast.
You lost me at, "not that fast, sophisticated or even exotic".
Rob when you deal with a car that cannot have it's battery removed, you use this special tool with a small battery that hooks up to the terminals so you can change batteries.
Good info. Thanks for sharing.
So this things an expensive piece of shit.
One Really Long Username For No Reason What So Evr 12c is outdated by the 650s a far superior model thats still being sold
One Really Long Username For No Reason What So Evr Flawed but still a hell of a lot of performance for the price
My father owns 2012 12c we have the car for 3 years he has put 20k miles on it so that means he drives it quite a lot. We haven't had any major issues once the wiper broke and it was covered by the warranty. So if you are planning to buy a 12C you must buy a classified car with a warranty. Also, it was surprising because we had to leave the country for 1 month and my dad made a stupid mistake he didn't plug the car in a trickle charger so we thought the battery was going to be dead, but everything was fine and the car started up on the first try. My father is so happy with the car and with McLaren as a brand now he is trying to find a 675LT but he is waiting for the perfect spec.