@@Sakosaga Its nothing to do with instant torque. Its to do with one being rated at the wheels and the other at the crank. That "instant torque" line is getting old. The only gain to an ev is response - not how much torque it can make low down because thrust at the wheels is what counts (torque multiplied by gearing over time) and that almost always goes to the ice thanks to multiple gears.
dont even know any of the mfs you mentioned sorry, but the point is that this channel used to have ideas fun projects and good topics now is just these mfs driving random cars. the channel changed who tf cares about that other shit you watch
TH-cam is already saturated enough with review channels, and Doug is the best one, no one can duplicate him. Donut’s best content doesn’t get published anymore, they used to be unique and entertaining, now it’s just car ads
Happy to lend you guys the I5N! It was awesome to see you all thrashing it on the track like it’s meant to be 🙌. Big thanks to the entire Donut crew; you all run an amazing production and take great care of everyone. Much love from all of us at 1 Shot! We’re stoked to support the channel and appreciate the shoutout 🫡
Why only 1 hot lap on the IONIQ? Also, I'm fairly confident that the IONIQ would win with the SoC near 100% and use of the boost button. Whether or not you like EVs, that IONIQ is effing fast.
@@biglee13m Throttle House has also shown that the Mustang is faster around a track. I’m not against you here, but the Mustang is faster. I’d rather HAVE the Ioniq, but SoC be damned, a car that’s 1000lbs heavier will handle worse around a track.
@@Baimobile7 lol, you can do more than one hot lap? In fact, you should do at least 3 in each car if you're comparing them. Seems more like they got the result they wanted and stopped, which makes me sad. :-(
OK, yup, that's fair. Throttle House did the comparison better to (they do 3 hot laps), and the dark horse was faster 'round the track. :-) I forgot about that one. But wow, it's way closer than it has any right to be with that much weight--not to mention the IONIQ 5 N is a totally usable, family-friendly daily-driver. I could own that without my wife and kids hating me because they could all still comfortably ride in it. Impressive.
I drove the Ioniq 5 N today. It is absolutely insane. We went 0-190kmh in like 6.5 seconds. It just never stops pulling. It can totally be setup to feel like an ICE vehicle. I didn’t even feel like I was driving an EV once I put the simulated transmission and engine sound on. I want one
The N would have easily won in track/sprint mode with the battery preconditioning. I'll bet they didn't even use the boost button on that lap. They didn't use launch control for the drag either, which automatically turns on the boost
You have made valid points regarding the use of all the functions. Which the N series has, but it was stated during the drag race that the NGB function only works for 10 seconds. While I agree that an ev could be the way of the future, I don't believe the tech has evolved enough. With the utilization of hybrid technology, it would give eve developers more time to perfect it. When the steam engine was nearing its end of life, it was getting mileage of 100 mpg. ICE has the potential to be reliable and honestly safer (automive fires in ICE vs. EV). This test was purely based on performance as that is the direction that Donut has always taken. No, I'm not bashing you. I just wanted a healthy discussion.
@Instantur absolutely. Take into consideration that we need to work on efficiency first. Several companies that make super cars have produced good examples. It we work towards efficiency first and then performance, the platform for performance can and will grow.
@@ahallman1980 About 90% new cars sold in Norway are Electric now, the tech has matured enough. Norway has long stretches of poor roads and cold winters, yet we manage fine with our EVs. Hybrid cars are complicated and expensive to maintain and repair, might as well just go with pure ICE if you can't make the switch to EV (pro tip, most people can).
If you're going to keep dismissing EVs, then why did you make this video? And you're saying the Ioniq 5N lost to that poorly-engineered Mustang on the track? Only a fool would believe that result. This video starts with bias and arrogance and ends with manipulation and distortion.
I don’t believe the 5N would have lost to the Mustang if correctly set. They didn’t specify if it was set for hot laps. Should have been set to track mode in sprint settings for such a short track. Also around a long track like the Nurburgring, the Dark Horse will not best the 5N because of its heating issues and less power.
My thinking entirely, don’t just say you’re fiddling with the settings show the settings. It’s literally tuning the car and it makes a world of difference. Is it in endurance lap mode or is it still in drift mode so they can do the donuts? Who knows.
In general, the electric car is the one that has the problem of heat. Internal combustion engines are much stronger than electric cars in terms of heat. The fact that the Mustang went into limp mode due to heat problems on this short track means that it cannot enjoy the circuit freely. On the other hand, the 5N can drive 60 km hard without any battery or brake overheating problems.
As a prior owner of 3 Mustangs and currently have a 2019 mustang and Fiesta ST in the garage and not a single EV car, I'm so utterly sick and tired of the EV bashing for the sake of it. Just get over it already, we're car guys not tribalistic morons and I know damn well that Hyundai would have destroyed the mustang on the track if the driver wanted it to, it's also pretty clear it did a far better job holding a drift as well, which is what the drift mode is for, not donuts. The whole video is honestly an embarrassment.
@@LiquidFoxDesigns seriously. I was hesitant to watch this video because I knew their take would be bad on the EV, and sure enough. I’ll probably just skip it next time
I resto-modded a 1965 fastback mustang a few years ago, and did civic swaps in high school. Motorcycles, lifted trucks, Panamera, and various beaters. This is boring to listen to and a lazy take.
They weren’t drifting. They were doing donuts. I mean a mustang doesn’t have any of those modes either so I don’t know what the fuck you’re fucking complaining about.
Ford came out and said there's a software issue causing manual equipped dark horses during track use where the engine was allowed to hit maximum speed several times in a short period would cause a few indicated concerns and/or reduced engine power. But at the same time Ford does neeed to get their head out of their ass, quality, drivability issues, terrible software.
@@Dewan2011 yes.... but This is the track version of the car Its like you get a gt3rs and then after 2 laps you have to stop for a half an hour so car can have a rest
For years, "car people" were always about pure performance. Now that EV's out perform most vehicles, they all just fall back on "well it's still an EV". I don't get all the hate
It’s boring and this boringness endangers our good old ICE Cars. So it’s good performance but not interesting. I personally have an EV and it’s good acceleration but boring as fuck. Such cars just can’t replace an ICE car
I drive a Hyundai Ioniq 5, it's fantastic. Very fun, sporty drive, great range, roomy for someone over 6', and massive cargo space- roughly 76" from back of driver to trunk (you can fit a single size mattress in it)
It's weird that Donut has taken an anti-EV stance. The N did surprisingly well against the Mustang. I would choose the N over the Mustang because it's also going to be more practical to daily.
@@MrBezyBez Truth, back seats are actually functional in the 5N so that's already a win imo. I won't buy it because a $65k car should come with electric seats but for some reason they dropped it for the N (as if a couple lbs in a 4800lb car makes a difference), but I'd buy it over a Mustang I can't take to Costco.
0 People buy a Dark Horse to daily or for practicality. Don't buy a coupe sports car if that's what you're looking for. Surprised that has to be said honestly....
I feel like "It's great and I had a great time, but it's an EV" is kind of a cop out. You said yourself it's great, just let the car have it. Horse guys whined about the petrol car, this is just the same thing. You're allowed to prefer the mustang, I do too, but don't bash the EV just because
Fake car enthusiast at its finest. Even saying the sounds it makes are unnecessary is weird because it's supposed to be a fun hot hatch. If it didn't simulate a 8 speed or make funny sounds or let you customize things the way they let you people would complain, you just can't win. I'd take N over the dark horse any day, faster and a better daily driver.
@Sakosaga it was the same on top gear when the first hyundai N came out. It beat the golf gti round the track for half the price and they said omg it's great to drive, and so fast, but they'd take the golf cause of the badge.
@@AlmondBscotch Pretty sure someone who didn't have much camera time before but now is because half the good hosts have left? I'm glad they are adding more females now, some of the coolest women are car heads! :)
@@DanielBrownOre Steph is an Audi technician and guest host on Donut's RMS (Real Mechanic Stuff) channel. Im guessing its either, they were doing RMS stuff on the same day or she's (insert Sandro) "hanging out with the boys"
Usually a huge donut fan but the ev hate in this really rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Even when the Hyundai won a challenge they just had to throw in the "too bad its an ev". Reminds me of the old top gear episode with the lotus body tesla
One car will be working in 20 years and has enough aftermarket support to keep it going well beyond that... and the other will be lucky if its still on the road in 10 years given current EV trends.
It's not really an SUV. It's a moderately larger hatchback. I would barely even consider it a crossover. Not all models even have AWD, which should be a requirement to call it an SUV.
@@F0XD1E The Ioniq 5 does have a good amount of space though. I wouldn't call it a hatchback really, and not all SUVs come with AWD either. Wikipedia classifies the Ioniq 5 as a "compact crossover SUV"
@@rowaystarco A lot of manufacturers label things as SUVs to get around emissions/mpg laws etc. Also because that is the hot item in the American market. People are more likely to buy an "SUV" rather than a "hatchback".
Was awesome to see them thrash it around the track! Stoked to support the channel. And YES the Donut team paid to replace the entire set of tires on the mustang, and only the right rear on the I5N needed replacing from hitting a crack that took a chunk of tread out
I'd take gas over electric any day but it was obvious that the mustang was going to win regardless of how the 3 events went. Mustang loses the drag race but gets a second chance, mustang lost the lap time but got a second chance. They admitted the Hyundai did donuts as well as the mustang and the were laughing their asses off the whole time, but the Mustang won. If you are going to do comparison tests you need to have an open mind and not decide what the result is going to be ahead of time
If this already hurt, realise the 5 N was on regular street rubber and the DH on Trofeo RS, equalise the tires and a large family hatchback EV is as fast as performance icon on track. And where I live, electricity is almost free and gas is very expensive, and I have fast chargers just besides the tracks... Easy choice.
@@dnegel9546 i mostly agree with that philosophy but at the same time, tires make a disgusting amount of difference on track, probably more than almost anything else. plus you should change the brake fluid for both anyway, not that that's really a modification
@3:02 - "Except for the Ionic N. It just adds a second motor." WRONG! It replaces both motors from the regular dual motor with more powerful ones! How can Donut get something so simple so wrong? (To be clear, the 225hp rear motor used in the base EV6/I5-6 RWD and also used in the rear for the standard AWD dual motor goes to the *front* for the N and a more power [~400hp] rear motor is added to the rear of the N. It's those regular dual motor trims that "just adds a second [95HP] motor" to the front.)
I feel like they also didn’t talk about the different modes and what not. Like drift, mode lap mode, or idk drag mode. I mean obviously they are bias towards ICE vehicles but still, could’ve at least talked about the car more. Or that you can pre cool the battery to get max performance.
yeah and they did a shitty lap in the N and did not bother to run again but the Mustang got a second lap after it overheated... People has done 3 laps I believe or more on the Nurburgring this summer in this thing and it can get pretty toasty in southern Germany as well, no idea how hot it was here tho... So much of the shit about EV's out there is just disinformation and these people just buy it... because they want EV's to fail so they can go back to sleeping with their V8's... People say EV's burn all the time... we had a Volvo catching fire on the road while a guy was driving it here today! Was not an EV... xD Luckily none got hurt.
So Ford has been building the Mustang for about 60 years. The mustang is known as a performance car, so you think that would be priority, yet on a hot lap it's cutting power for overheating? I know he was running the AC on one of the laps, but even with it off it was still having some problems. The first performance EV that Hyundai makes and it's been praised up and down by tons of reviewers. Never spoken of any issue really, and certainly not related to overheating. People will still hate on Hyundai and/or prefer and ICE car for various reasons, but you have to hand it to Hyundai. They did an amazing job on this car; and it just happens to be an EV 👏🏻
My best friend owns a dark horse. I prefer camaro. He has done 20 back to back laps at road America flat out without overheating. In 89° heat. Sometimes, the script is written to make something look better or worse. Looking at you old top gear with the original tesla. WHY would a California company want ev s to look better than a v8 sports car?? 🤔 maybe the same reason their top 3 hosts left. They want to make fun videos, not pushing paid sponsors smoke up our butts.
It actually does 2 fast, 1 bit slower and if you push it, a fourth lap, not as fast but still a lot quicker then most cars. If that does not sound like a lot, realise that most stock gasoline cars, even the sporty ones, get overheating and brake overheating issues by the end of the first or into the second lap. Endurance race cars are a completely different breed and not comparable to any gas car you buy in a showroom...
I'm a car guy too, but it's frustrating seeing all this EV hate.. These cars are pretty much neck and neck now, and EV tech is only going to get better, are more environmentally friendly, and aren't going away. We should be excited for the future of cars, not resisting the change away from ICE engines.
It’s more about the government trying to make people switch. Especially when infrastructure and manufacturing technology is so behind in the usa compared to the rest of the world (thanks to decades of government legislation) that make switching and supporting EVs too expensive for the average income american wage slave
@evildrizzt1 I think the government should be doing a lot more to incentivize the switch.. it's a great way to decarbonize faster, yet an F150 is still the top selling vehicle in America. People clearly aren't being forced into anything yet. Decades of inaction on that front are forcing a faster transition than we could have had otherwise, but still most companies are producing ICE engines until 2030 or 2035. As BEV tech gets better and manufacturing increases, they'll be cheaper to buy and own than ICE vehicles as well.
Consider that we are also moving towards a future with cars being replaced as often as phones. With the complication and inherent danger in working on electrical systems in EV cars, we will see a rise in repair shops specializing in this area. However, the repairs themselves will be much more expensive. As a tradeoff your repair schedule is essentially zero with an EV, but your repairs that do happen are much more expensive. What I anticipate is that planned obsolesce will rise in cars due to cost. It gives the manufacturer a whole lot more control over the vehicle (even gas cars are increasingly moving towards tracking data, just look at the response toyota gave to the GR Corollas that burst into flames) but also allows them to lock out users from "higher trims" which are essentially just software. A trim upgrade to allow you faster speeds is essentially an update, but not something the car is unable to do due to mechanical components. Overall, I think we will run into an issue long-term with cars and recyclability and disposal of. We already have this issue in the tech sector, but it will become much more obvious 20 years into the future once electric cars run into similar issues and have much larger sizes to work with. ]Not to mention the increased cost in general of insurance with EV and modern cars due to the mass amount of sensors in the car.
Why is that sad? That's literally always been an inherent weakness of ICE cars, where a significant portion of the energy from combustion of gasoline is converted to heat. That is wasted energy, as you want to convert as much energy as possible into mechanical energy. Not only is it inefficient, it also creates another problem: how to get rid of heat.
You must be new to cars. Probably doesn't own a car or just started driving. They're in the desert during the summer in California where it reaches 100+ degrees and 120+ degrees track temp. I was at the drag strip, 88 degrees, and track temp was 110 degrees. Even super cars will overheat in those temps. You people sit around waiting for something to complain about. You act like Plaids never overheated their batteries on the track at these temps. You EV fanboys are going to find out the hard way when your EV doesn't work when it's single digits with a real feel in the negatives. Good luck even getting 100miles to a charge if it does.
@@jovand6606 So explain to us why EVs have the lowest reliability score out of all the cars? They average 240 problems per 100 cars. I believe the average ICE only has 170 pph according the JD Powers.
Am pretty sure the hyundai would have won the hot lap even though if they didnt use the boost n mode and if driven correctly!!!!...and not hiding things!!..POV of my own ioniq 5n....
@@onehorsepowercomparisons are based of showroom stock conditions. You upgrade tires on one vehicle and now you open the flood gates to modifications. Hyundai should of released it with better tires. Thats on hyundai not ford.
@@LevyHappyClappertires are the most basic of upgrades tf, its street tires vs track tires. It’s the only thing connecting the car to the road and determines grip, braking distance and effectiveness, etc etc. If you really wanna test the better engine,suspension, and platform you’ll give them equal tires, it’s like running shoes for marathon runners.
@@flyjuice nope. Factory stock ca factory stock. Upgrade the tires on the hyundai and then you could turbo the mustang. Theres a reason everyone compares stock vehicles and not modified ones.
Just a couple comments, since I've had the electrified GV70 for over a year. In my car there are paddles for more or less regen, and it feels like upshifting/downshifting. I love it. Also, the "boost" does only last 10 seconds but you can just press it again. Lastly, if the Hyundai was at 100% instead of 68% for the drag race, it would have been even more of a bloodbath.
So having never seeing anything from this channel I can now assume after watching this video, that these guys don't like electric cars at all. Even the way they did that hot lap seems pretty suspect.
pretty obvious the investors want them to make videos on EVs because that's what's on car lots... the shift in content....donut sold out a long time ago. blame the success because it happens to every channel that's get big and takes on investors to grow with the content. Now enjoy your in video ad for factor ON TOP of your youtube ad and consider buying a EV on the investors behalf because you cant think for youself!!!! "Don't forget to like and subscribe!!!" 🤕🤕🤕
I'm not sure where in that you saw that I thought they couldn't have an opinion. The comment was my opinion. Out of curiosity, why don't you like EV's?
I don't think it's hate bro... I think some ppl still love gas engines and no matter how amazing these evs are they can't be overly impressed.... that's kind of how I feel
Why did they give the win of drifting to the Mustang? The hyundai drifted just as well, if not better. If it's just going to be lame "I prefer this for unspecified reasons" or "I prefer this for unmeasurable reasons", then why even bother with a fake comparison and just say you prefer the mustang and not waste everyone's time with a make-believe comparison?
To favour their fan base i guess. I get it look and feel could be different, maybe it felt better with Mustang? But like you said Hyundai looked just as good and i was also surprised by their given results.
@@edfx yeah, that's my bad, I wasn't thinking about it the right way. Still, it'll be a cold day in hell before it feels better to drift an EV than an ICE.
Mustang with the windows down and the heat on, the IONIC EV with windows up and air conditioning running. The Mustang is unintentionally a bigger gimmick than the EV with its designed gimmicks.
@Donut the 5N being an EV isn't a negative, it's a demonstration the future can still be fun without the inefficiency and pollution. And for all your critique of the 5N being "heavy" you failed to criticize the Mustang for only being 800lbs lighter. A 4000lb "sports car" strikes me as a far more egregious pig of a vehicle since a full-size pickup can be bought new from the same manufacturer weighing less.
@LevyHappyClapper as a Hyundai salesmen They literally tell us this in our training fun fact the N logo itself is actually one of the corners of the track! A simple Google search would make you wanna remove that comment.
@@LevyHappyClapper The cars are tested in the Nurburgring as the final write-off for production. The 5n can do 2 full laps without overheating which is insane for any production EV.
@NoOneKnown512 he's right. The 5N comes with a drive mode called "Endurance" which is meant for the car to level power and increase battery pack airflow with the adaptive grill shutters so that they indeed last longer around the track!
Hyundai is seriously shaking up the design of their new cars, really leaning into retro-futurism 80s vibes. I'm not a huge fan of EV's myself, but I think they have a place and they should be more common. I will love ICE configurations until the day I die, but I understand their impact on the world around us, so some day they'll probably just be a hobbyist thing, and that's okay. We the millennial folk are used to the ICE configs, we grew up with them, we watched them change, and now there's a new generation of drivers getting on to the roads and EVs are slowly becoming the better choice all around. Unless we find an alternative fuel source that is readily abundant, efficient, and not nearly as pollutant as gasoline the ICE is going away. "I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too"
The N cars are a good value. The downfall is that even the dealers do not really understand them. When I pull my Kona N in for service they think it is a N-Line and I have to check to make sure they do the service properly because of different engine, transmission, tires, interior, shocks, frame, etc.
I feel like somewhere there is a 25ish minute edit of this video that got chopped down at the last minute. You have a weird edit showing a counter of playing with settings, but they never talk about it. They have Steph in the car for a big chunk, but never introduce her or anything. Also talk about big vibes of "ICE cars good EV bad" coming off of this one.
This EV has a great interior, attractive styling, fantastic drivability, makes us grin, and its track performance rivals a Mustang Darkhorse. We hate it.
It’s crazy how far EV’s have come. In less than 5 years they now have “performance” versions which aren’t bad. I for one like what Hyundai did with this little car. Give it some time and they will make one that is “track” ready
You likely would have done better in the Inoiq 5 N with all the fake stuff on. The sound and the shifting, which is why I think they added those features, to give you more intuitive track feeling. But we all know that at the track weight is going to be the biggest penalty in the turns.
@@G82Watts Bro that is part of the fun there's more to a car than engine sounds. And many electric race cars make amazing sounds. I recommend you watching some in person. It's just so stupid to talk about everything that is so good about the car and then totally write it off at the end just because it's an EV. At least talk about why being an EV negates all the other long list of positives. Things don't progress if we just keep blindly saying we don't like things without describing why.
@@germannerd1 I can see how some folks would have more fun in an EV, especially if they aren't use to racing with an hshift car. It would be like trying to convince a horse person to just swap over trackday driving. It's just a whole different experience. I drive both, and my EV is my commuting appliance for a reason, even though it's slower my ICE car is my fun car. It's not that an EV has negatives, it's more that it doesn't have the list of positive an ICE has, when reads like a list of negatives for non ICE car people. True, there is an intangible to it, a subjective feeling if you will. Maybe it's because I've done everything from taking the ICE apart and put it back together, changed the clutch, upgraded various parts of it (mostly cooling), down to just the simple "life" fluid changes. Maybe it is all the real mechanical sounds/vibrations (like turning the key for that cold start sound, hearing the starter wind up and ICE bark to life as I hold the key is a therapy in and of itself!) and feel of actually pushing and pulling gears into place; being able to nail that great lap with all the skills needed and moving bits at play to keep the car in the power band as often as possible. There is a labor of love and a give and take relationship I have formed with my hshift ICE car that's just missing from my EV commuting appliance. Even though the EV is objectively faster, I would sell it in half a heartbeat instead of my ICE car.
For all their talk about innovation most car people HATE innovation. Such a lack of imagination. Think about an electric Dodge Charger that can sound and shift like any Charger EVER made. Or a modern tech Corvette that feels like a '63. Stop living in the dark ages
We're all car lovers here, there is no doubt that nothing beats the feelings you get in a loud powerful Internal Combustion Engine powered car.... But what I will never understand is how EVs get sh!t on every time they are compared to an ICE. Boys, they're better, they just are - and they are just getting started. 10 years from now EVs will do everything better and cheaper and with almost no maintenance. Y'all are gonna look like dinosaurs. This competition pits a full blown track inspired musclecar against basically a soccer dad's 4 door hatchback and it makes the Mustang look like a slug...
@@johnquinn4680 the shipping only adds a couple of grand, ICE cars are taxed much higher in many European countries. In Ireland an Ioniq 5N is about Golf R money. Golf R is gone from the VW ireland website at the moment, sadly.
I could not stand watching European reviews of American cars becuz they would just pump up non-factors in their favor and always threw in the “of course it’s American” for every flaw, blatantly biased, now Americans are doing the same against EV’s, sad. The Mustang wins the “donut contes” … < what? Mustang wins in track battle … good that’s what it is designed to do, and sadly it over heated, had problems, you “forgot to time it”, etc. but it was faster (thank god). The EV is a smooth daily driver that you can charge at home, crush practically anything light to light, and isn’t horrible on a track and didn’t have any of the problems the Mustang did. That’s the real story, daily driver that your g-ma can drive and the g-son can run at the strip. Hate on EV’s all you want but that’s pretty incredible for any car to pull off
For me the Ioniq is the best looking EV car so for. I think it's still about the way you deal with the design of the grill/front of the car and Hyundai did a great job on this design.
I give Hyundai props for trying to make another boring EV into something trying to resemble a sports car, but... Fake engine noise, fake transmission, etc. The Mustang is way too expensive for what you get, but still more appealing.
EVs have transmissions. Just not the ones we're used to using. Most have a single speed trans. (I did hear of a 2-speed trans for an EV but I can't seem to remember where I heard/read it. Maybe it was more of a power to the motor(s) thing and not a transmission thing?) I just looked it up - Porsche Taycan and Audi e-tron GT have 2-speeds
@@bluflaam777LSA The Porsche Taycan has a 2 speed transmission. Tesla tried it for the original roadster but kept snapping them so they gave up and just went fixed gears.
@@matthewschoenemann if it was in reference to the electric car I'd be inclined to agree, but it seems weird to refer to the Dark Horse's stick like that.
Ionic 5 N: AWD, +101hp, insta-torque, gearless. Mustang DH: RWD, -101hp, reg-torque, 6spd manual. (the manual is much slower than the automatic) Definitely a comparison of all time.
I don’t understand ev hate at all. They’re faster and more powerful and no emissions. Just cause you like engines doesn’t mean you have to hate batteries. You can love both for their differences
Everyone has known this for awhile now. As a vehicle you will use 99.9% of the time, you would be foolish not to consider an EV. There's a reason why there's so many of them on the road nowadays. I understand over a decade ago it was novelity and those people were truly guinea pigs. But now that's been over a decade of developent, and infrastructure has been put in place, you can't go wrong with an EV. The problem lies with finding a proper EV for your lifestyle. Granted, not everyone will be able accomodate an EV in their life. It requires some proper battery knowledge more than anything else. The problem lies with people thinking they can "fill up" an EV the same way you can with an ICE vehicle. Once you learn the proper way of operating an EV, you'd always wonder how you went along with an ICE vehicle for so long... For those fortunate enough to be able to afford 2 vehicles and house them properly, you can have the best of both worlds. Have the ICE of your dreams and leave the EV as your daily commuter/errand runner.. 🙂
I had it that way, then the N came along and replaced the gas car with the N. The N doesn’t need to warm the engine for 10min, doesn't do 6mpg when having fun, don't need to replace all oils every 6 months, doesn’t heat soak when stopping for a chat, won't dump the gearbox and/or engine out on the street if I misshift once. The list goes on. Yeah it's no real engine sound but it feels great. Just like I can enjoy (electronic) music streaming on speakers, don't necessarily need to be sitting in a concert hall listening live to a virtuoso on his grand piano. That's nice too, and so is an NA v12 that revs 12000rpm... But not necessary to have fun, per se.
dark horse with the 700A package is over 80k, jesus christ haha...i'd rather just jump for the gt500 at that point, can still get one under warranty. props to Donut for throwing a cute girl in the mix, lord knows they need the fucking clicks now
Fun fact: Pikes Peak hillclimb requires EV to make noise at a certain level (I believe it's for safety). I think Hyundai doesn't want their car to sound like an ambulance so they used the simulated sound, and it's great.
Im not even an EV guy and this feels so fake and biased. The I5N is a fukin sick car. The damn thing didnt overheat twice and assumedly wasnt used to its fullest potential. Its funny to bash on tesla but the ioniq is amazing.
i’ve ridden in the ioniq 5 and the acceleration is absolutely insane. it feels like a rollercoaster. the engine noise i agree its lame asf. if your gonna drive this thing own the dead quiet speed it delivers. honestly its pretty badass to be so quick but so quiet at the same time imo. but if i was gonna choose artificial noise to play while driving it be the supersonic one it fits the ev the best imo also probably another controversial opinion of mine i love the hot hatch/crossover look of this car
In which universe did the Mustang win? The 5N is demonstrably stronger in all disciplines. Acceleration, lateral acceleration and braking. You are the only channel incapable of confirming the results already proven by many other channels. Because it's a stupid EV... wow....
Wait, @Donut, for the Ionic 5 N did you do the drag race and hot lap with the shifting simulation on or off? From what I understand, the simulated shifting decreases the Ionic 5 N's performance a little bit.
Listen, I love gas guzzling cars too, but I don't think the IONIQ was given a fair shake here. You showed you guys fiddling with settings a lot but never actually showed the settings you were running. In that track test, I heavily doubt you guys were setting it into track mode and using the boost and all that. I feel like if you guys weren't using those settings, that's disingenuous. I love ICEs but at the end of the day, EVs are the future and are objectively better (at least, in terms of performance) than ICEs. It's getting annoying to see EV hate constantly when you know it's not because EVs are a fad and mostly because people are still stuck in their old ways and don't want to change or admit that they're wrong. It feels like the IONIQ was just getting beaten up on the entire video, and it's not very fair OR objective. If I'm wrong and you guys WERE using all the performance modes on the IONIQ, then I will admit I am wrong.
mmmm "Objectively better". When are EV guys going to finally WAKE UUUUP and realize its not all about gd numbers. Its working under the hood with your dad when you were a kid, its learning stick for the first time, its getting your first exhaust mod put on, its literally living in the STICK SHIFT (actually took skill to race....not assists) street racing era that was 1999 to 2005. Its not relying on firmware updates and cheap Chinese screens every where. ITS THE WHOLE PICTURE. Not just going fast in a straight line while you literally do NOTHING behind the wheel. There will never be a fair shake here PERIOD because you really cannot compare the two.
@@Turbowski85 Correct, there will be no fair shake here... because EVs are better. You having some nostalgia about gas cars doesn't change the fact that EVs outperform them 9/10.
@@CorndogCrusader Wow my comment went right over your head clearly. You are soley focused on numbers, we are focused on the driving experience (all senses), building, and connection through those builds. All things EV is missing. Nostalgia has little to do with it. Trying to diminish 100 years of ICE evolution and breakthroughs because billionaires are pushing an objectively cheaper to make car for an even higher marked up price is retarded. You are falling for it hook line and sinker. Enjoy your subscription only car in 10 years....
I'm really amazed by the high advanced tech, especially since the ICE car struggled with temperature management on the track, but the EV had no issues at all.
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Love Petrol cars but I have to hand it to Hyundai. The Ioniq 5 N is a masterpiece.
For masturbators, maybe 🤣
And holy crap, the crazy N Vision 74 will probably get produced now too.
"They make close to the same hp", just a whole nissan leaf in between them
It's the instant torque , they should have did a roll race from Around 50-60 tbh
Yeah. I dont even know who write this BS...
One measured at the wheels, the other at the fly.
There's close to a 200hp gap when that boost button is on.
@@Sakosaga Its nothing to do with instant torque. Its to do with one being rated at the wheels and the other at the crank.
That "instant torque" line is getting old. The only gain to an ev is response - not how much torque it can make low down because thrust at the wheels is what counts (torque multiplied by gearing over time) and that almost always goes to the ice thanks to multiple gears.
@@siraff4461 No no, instant torque is still a thing, just because it's a bad point for this argument doesn't mean it isn't a thing.
So every video from Carwow, Throttle House, Straight Pipes, Doug DeMuro, etc. are ads according to the comments 🤦
dont even know any of the mfs you mentioned sorry, but the point is that this channel used to have ideas fun projects and good topics now is just these mfs driving random cars. the channel changed who tf cares about that other shit you watch
As if the entire thing their channels are based are, cars, aren't literal products lol
It's pure envy, disguised like deep criticism
TH-cam is already saturated enough with review channels, and Doug is the best one, no one can duplicate him. Donut’s best content doesn’t get published anymore, they used to be unique and entertaining, now it’s just car ads
@@18choirr44 So why do you engage?
Happy to lend you guys the I5N! It was awesome to see you all thrashing it on the track like it’s meant to be 🙌. Big thanks to the entire Donut crew; you all run an amazing production and take great care of everyone. Much love from all of us at 1 Shot! We’re stoked to support the channel and appreciate the shoutout 🫡
Mustang overheating on one hot lap ... that is pathetic .... I was expecting the EV to do that.
lol right
U expect this EV to over heat, u think This is a german car right
No, low temp in fact
They said it was a hot car.
Why were you expecting that? Just cos caveman says EV bad?
justin out here holding it down.... word.
Yeah he has the channel on his back at this point
Yes. Word.
Facts big props to Justin
He's doing a good job.
Came here to say this too, justin carrying
Why only 1 hot lap on the IONIQ? Also, I'm fairly confident that the IONIQ would win with the SoC near 100% and use of the boost button. Whether or not you like EVs, that IONIQ is effing fast.
That’s what a hot lap is. ONE fast lap. Mustang got two because of the overheating issue
I think they were just in a wrong setting.
@@biglee13m Throttle House has also shown that the Mustang is faster around a track. I’m not against you here, but the Mustang is faster. I’d rather HAVE the Ioniq, but SoC be damned, a car that’s 1000lbs heavier will handle worse around a track.
@@Baimobile7 lol, you can do more than one hot lap? In fact, you should do at least 3 in each car if you're comparing them. Seems more like they got the result they wanted and stopped, which makes me sad. :-(
OK, yup, that's fair. Throttle House did the comparison better to (they do 3 hot laps), and the dark horse was faster 'round the track. :-) I forgot about that one. But wow, it's way closer than it has any right to be with that much weight--not to mention the IONIQ 5 N is a totally usable, family-friendly daily-driver. I could own that without my wife and kids hating me because they could all still comfortably ride in it. Impressive.
I drove the Ioniq 5 N today. It is absolutely insane. We went 0-190kmh in like 6.5 seconds. It just never stops pulling. It can totally be setup to feel like an ICE vehicle. I didn’t even feel like I was driving an EV once I put the simulated transmission and engine sound on. I want one
The N would have easily won in track/sprint mode with the battery preconditioning. I'll bet they didn't even use the boost button on that lap. They didn't use launch control for the drag either, which automatically turns on the boost
You have made valid points regarding the use of all the functions. Which the N series has, but it was stated during the drag race that the NGB function only works for 10 seconds. While I agree that an ev could be the way of the future, I don't believe the tech has evolved enough. With the utilization of hybrid technology, it would give eve developers more time to perfect it. When the steam engine was nearing its end of life, it was getting mileage of 100 mpg. ICE has the potential to be reliable and honestly safer (automive fires in ICE vs. EV). This test was purely based on performance as that is the direction that Donut has always taken. No, I'm not bashing you. I just wanted a healthy discussion.
@@ahallman1980 the new M5s weight is an example of why hybrids might not be the perfect middle ground we thought it could be.
@Instantur absolutely. Take into consideration that we need to work on efficiency first. Several companies that make super cars have produced good examples. It we work towards efficiency first and then performance, the platform for performance can and will grow.
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@@ahallman1980 About 90% new cars sold in Norway are Electric now, the tech has matured enough. Norway has long stretches of poor roads and cold winters, yet we manage fine with our EVs. Hybrid cars are complicated and expensive to maintain and repair, might as well just go with pure ICE if you can't make the switch to EV (pro tip, most people can).
If you're going to keep dismissing EVs, then why did you make this video? And you're saying the Ioniq 5N lost to that poorly-engineered Mustang on the track? Only a fool would believe that result. This video starts with bias and arrogance and ends with manipulation and distortion.
EVs are trash. Get over it vibrator boy
The fact a new car got heating issues after mild abuse just made me rethink a lot of things( i drive a 98 shitbox laguna with 194 hp)
You are not their target audience
@@TheSometimeAfter Where did this come from?
@@kieran.c7684 The Laguna is French. Someone driving a crappy 90s French car probably doesn't have the money for a 500+hp new car.
But does it have a "transmition"
@@bwofficial1776 Don't you dare talk shit about the Renault, Peugot, Alpine OR Bugatti. Yes Bugatti. Check yourself before you get wrecked.
I don’t believe the 5N would have lost to the Mustang if correctly set. They didn’t specify if it was set for hot laps. Should have been set to track mode in sprint settings for such a short track. Also around a long track like the Nurburgring, the Dark Horse will not best the 5N because of its heating issues and less power.
My thinking entirely, don’t just say you’re fiddling with the settings show the settings. It’s literally tuning the car and it makes a world of difference. Is it in endurance lap mode or is it still in drift mode so they can do the donuts? Who knows.
EVs are effected more due to weather than ICE cars. What are you smoking? Also it’s a Hyundai 🤮
I agree, it looked like it was sliding around quite a bit, like it was still in rwd (drift) mode
He was clearly sliding it through the corners and didn't even give it another lap. Hyundai can definitely do better than that
@@angelgjr1999living in the past forever I see…. companies can’t Improve? things never change? okay… be blind forever then..
Why did i think future buff jimmy was vin diesel 😂😂
I'm like 99% sure he does play Vin diesel in another ad they've done before 😂😂😂
Family
@@zygon8685 it's becuase he is a vin diesel look alike they hired for a funny video and used him a few other times
Downside, Factor apparently makes all of Jimmy’s hair fall out. Acceptable trade off? I think not. Stay strong Jimmy!
@@davidwilmot9895 Yep, when they were doing their Buff Horses apparel promotions.
In general, the electric car is the one that has the problem of heat. Internal combustion engines are much stronger than electric cars in terms of heat. The fact that the Mustang went into limp mode due to heat problems on this short track means that it cannot enjoy the circuit freely. On the other hand, the 5N can drive 60 km hard without any battery or brake overheating problems.
As a prior owner of 3 Mustangs and currently have a 2019 mustang and Fiesta ST in the garage and not a single EV car, I'm so utterly sick and tired of the EV bashing for the sake of it. Just get over it already, we're car guys not tribalistic morons and I know damn well that Hyundai would have destroyed the mustang on the track if the driver wanted it to, it's also pretty clear it did a far better job holding a drift as well, which is what the drift mode is for, not donuts. The whole video is honestly an embarrassment.
@@LiquidFoxDesigns seriously. I was hesitant to watch this video because I knew their take would be bad on the EV, and sure enough. I’ll probably just skip it next time
I resto-modded a 1965 fastback mustang a few years ago, and did civic swaps in high school. Motorcycles, lifted trucks, Panamera, and various beaters. This is boring to listen to and a lazy take.
Mustangs are not real performance cars .... get yourself a corvette
They weren’t drifting. They were doing donuts. I mean a mustang doesn’t have any of those modes either so I don’t know what the fuck you’re fucking complaining about.
Completely agree. Both of these are great cars, Donut boys need to quit being shits over what powers them and just enjoy the ride already...
I think the important thing with the N, is the fact that Hyundai is at least TRYING to make EVs appeal to ICE car enthusiast.
yep, I always wanted fake engine noises and fake gear shifts
@@LevyHappyClapper Dude, it's not just 'fake, but how EVs communicate w/ driver.
Soooo
The mustang overheated twice (a track version of mustang) and in your review that doesnt matter?
Okay i guess....
Not everybody rip around the track you know
@@Dewan2011this is the flagship mustang. It should be able to handle the track as well as a Korean economy suv
Ford came out and said there's a software issue causing manual equipped dark horses during track use where the engine was allowed to hit maximum speed several times in a short period would cause a few indicated concerns and/or reduced engine power. But at the same time Ford does neeed to get their head out of their ass, quality, drivability issues, terrible software.
@@Dewan2011 yes.... but
This is the track version of the car
Its like you get a gt3rs and then after 2 laps you have to stop for a half an hour so car can have a rest
@@jamie3810 ok
But that is just stupid....
Having a track car that you cant drive hard on the track...
For years, "car people" were always about pure performance. Now that EV's out perform most vehicles, they all just fall back on "well it's still an EV". I don't get all the hate
It’s boring and this boringness endangers our good old ICE Cars. So it’s good performance but not interesting. I personally have an EV and it’s good acceleration but boring as fuck. Such cars just can’t replace an ICE car
@@ventilator2946 Cars like the Ioniq 5 N and the upcoming N vision 74 are not boring. We just need to make cool EVs.
I drive a Hyundai Ioniq 5, it's fantastic. Very fun, sporty drive, great range, roomy for someone over 6', and massive cargo space- roughly 76" from back of driver to trunk (you can fit a single size mattress in it)
My only issue with these guys reviewing electric vehicles is they are not fans of them to begin with so I don't know if I can trust their opinion
It's weird that Donut has taken an anti-EV stance. The N did surprisingly well against the Mustang. I would choose the N over the Mustang because it's also going to be more practical to daily.
@@MrBezyBez Truth, back seats are actually functional in the 5N so that's already a win imo. I won't buy it because a $65k car should come with electric seats but for some reason they dropped it for the N (as if a couple lbs in a 4800lb car makes a difference), but I'd buy it over a Mustang I can't take to Costco.
@@notsure4539 i mean electric seats weigh more
0 People buy a Dark Horse to daily or for practicality. Don't buy a coupe sports car if that's what you're looking for. Surprised that has to be said honestly....
@@notsure4539 they dropped the electric front seats, not for weight savings, but to get them lower.
I feel like "It's great and I had a great time, but it's an EV" is kind of a cop out. You said yourself it's great, just let the car have it. Horse guys whined about the petrol car, this is just the same thing. You're allowed to prefer the mustang, I do too, but don't bash the EV just because
Fake car enthusiast at its finest. Even saying the sounds it makes are unnecessary is weird because it's supposed to be a fun hot hatch. If it didn't simulate a 8 speed or make funny sounds or let you customize things the way they let you people would complain, you just can't win. I'd take N over the dark horse any day, faster and a better daily driver.
@Sakosaga it was the same on top gear when the first hyundai N came out. It beat the golf gti round the track for half the price and they said omg it's great to drive, and so fast, but they'd take the golf cause of the badge.
I like how Steph is just sitting passenger princess the whole time 😭
She manspreads like a pro
Best part of the video ❤️
@@AlmondBscotch Pretty sure someone who didn't have much camera time before but now is because half the good hosts have left? I'm glad they are adding more females now, some of the coolest women are car heads! :)
@@DanielBrownOre Steph is an Audi technician and guest host on Donut's RMS (Real Mechanic Stuff) channel.
Im guessing its either, they were doing RMS stuff on the same day or she's (insert Sandro) "hanging out with the boys"
@@MetaDrow Oh, I didn't recognize her from the RMS vids, that's great, thanks for clarifying!
Usually a huge donut fan but the ev hate in this really rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Even when the Hyundai won a challenge they just had to throw in the "too bad its an ev". Reminds me of the old top gear episode with the lotus body tesla
It’s weird how they will shit on evs then make a whole 18 minute ad glorying Chinese evs
Well, one of these cars has 4 doors, a backseat, storage space, and a much faster drag time...and the other overheated. Twice.
One car will be working in 20 years and has enough aftermarket support to keep it going well beyond that... and the other will be lucky if its still on the road in 10 years given current EV trends.
@@Hybris51129THAT PART
M3 comp xdrive has all that and more luxury, less weight, and faster. Much rather have that then an EV.
@@Hybris51129you are wrong, the Mustang will be lucky if don't end getting smash into a wall lol
@@Hybris51129Mustangs rarely last that long 😂
The Hyundai is a real sports car, it just happens to be electric and also an SUV. Gas fan boys everywhere are so mad at Hyundai and I'm here for it. 😎
It's not really an SUV. It's a moderately larger hatchback. I would barely even consider it a crossover. Not all models even have AWD, which should be a requirement to call it an SUV.
@@F0XD1E The Ioniq 5 does have a good amount of space though. I wouldn't call it a hatchback really, and not all SUVs come with AWD either. Wikipedia classifies the Ioniq 5 as a "compact crossover SUV"
@@rowaystarco A lot of manufacturers label things as SUVs to get around emissions/mpg laws etc. Also because that is the hot item in the American market. People are more likely to buy an "SUV" rather than a "hatchback".
Dude! the fact that viewers are allowing you guys to push their cars that hard is insane. A special THANK YOU to them.
I hope they bought new tires for the owners.
Was awesome to see them thrash it around the track! Stoked to support the channel. And YES the Donut team paid to replace the entire set of tires on the mustang, and only the right rear on the I5N needed replacing from hitting a crack that took a chunk of tread out
@@1shotenergy Glad to see that they did. Thanks!
I'd take gas over electric any day but it was obvious that the mustang was going to win regardless of how the 3 events went. Mustang loses the drag race but gets a second chance, mustang lost the lap time but got a second chance. They admitted the Hyundai did donuts as well as the mustang and the were laughing their asses off the whole time, but the Mustang won. If you are going to do comparison tests you need to have an open mind and not decide what the result is going to be ahead of time
+1000
The Mustang dorked the Ironic doing donuts....your eyes must've been painted on mate !!
If this already hurt, realise the 5 N was on regular street rubber and the DH on Trofeo RS, equalise the tires and a large family hatchback EV is as fast as performance icon on track. And where I live, electricity is almost free and gas is very expensive, and I have fast chargers just besides the tracks... Easy choice.
If you modify one vehicle then you have to modify the other. Thats why comparisons are made using factory vehicles.
@@dnegel9546 i mostly agree with that philosophy but at the same time, tires make a disgusting amount of difference on track, probably more than almost anything else. plus you should change the brake fluid for both anyway, not that that's really a modification
Both enthusiasts vehicles so it's down to personal preference. Easy choice would be a common EV/Hybrid crossover.
@@dnegel9546 Tires are an exemption. EVs usually come with Tires meant to be quiet. But same type of tires on both to make it fair and square.
Easy choice for you to be gay
Ioniq5's the best EV in the world
Tesla Plaid way better
@@davothegreat9990 Both great in their own way. I will take Plaid to drag race and I5N to my kids sports game when I am 10 minutes late.
@@ndychung007 Plaid is faster and quicker in every single way. Not just a drag race.
Rimac Nevera
@@davothegreat9990 Rimac solos
@3:02 - "Except for the Ionic N. It just adds a second motor." WRONG! It replaces both motors from the regular dual motor with more powerful ones! How can Donut get something so simple so wrong?
(To be clear, the 225hp rear motor used in the base EV6/I5-6 RWD and also used in the rear for the standard AWD dual motor goes to the *front* for the N and a more power [~400hp] rear motor is added to the rear of the N. It's those regular dual motor trims that "just adds a second [95HP] motor" to the front.)
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I feel like they also didn’t talk about the different modes and what not. Like drift, mode lap mode, or idk drag mode. I mean obviously they are bias towards ICE vehicles but still, could’ve at least talked about the car more. Or that you can pre cool the battery to get max performance.
Just shut up and watch or don't
It's Donut for ya. Car media for the casuals.
haha, 69 likes rn
When an EV couldn't get a full lap because it got hot EVERYBODY sad bad things. When it the ICE no one bats an eye. SHAMEFUL.
yeah and they did a shitty lap in the N and did not bother to run again but the Mustang got a second lap after it overheated...
People has done 3 laps I believe or more on the Nurburgring this summer in this thing and it can get pretty toasty in southern Germany as well, no idea how hot it was here tho...
So much of the shit about EV's out there is just disinformation and these people just buy it... because they want EV's to fail so they can go back to sleeping with their V8's...
People say EV's burn all the time... we had a Volvo catching fire on the road while a guy was driving it here today! Was not an EV... xD Luckily none got hurt.
Not true ... I batted my eye lids
So Ford has been building the Mustang for about 60 years. The mustang is known as a performance car, so you think that would be priority, yet on a hot lap it's cutting power for overheating? I know he was running the AC on one of the laps, but even with it off it was still having some problems. The first performance EV that Hyundai makes and it's been praised up and down by tons of reviewers. Never spoken of any issue really, and certainly not related to overheating. People will still hate on Hyundai and/or prefer and ICE car for various reasons, but you have to hand it to Hyundai. They did an amazing job on this car; and it just happens to be an EV 👏🏻
My best friend owns a dark horse. I prefer camaro. He has done 20 back to back laps at road America flat out without overheating. In 89° heat. Sometimes, the script is written to make something look better or worse. Looking at you old top gear with the original tesla. WHY would a California company want ev s to look better than a v8 sports car?? 🤔 maybe the same reason their top 3 hosts left. They want to make fun videos, not pushing paid sponsors smoke up our butts.
And the Ioniq 5N will do 2 full laps at the Nurburgring without any overheating or battery degradation whatsoever. That's a winner right there.
That it? Not winning any endurance races anytime soon.@@chefgoot
@@boatymcboatface666 Mustang certainly isn't either. What's the point?
It actually does 2 fast, 1 bit slower and if you push it, a fourth lap, not as fast but still a lot quicker then most cars.
If that does not sound like a lot, realise that most stock gasoline cars, even the sporty ones, get overheating and brake overheating issues by the end of the first or into the second lap.
Endurance race cars are a completely different breed and not comparable to any gas car you buy in a showroom...
It would be classy to introduce a bit more of a nuanced view than just ‘is ev so i dont like’. Now it keeps the reviews a bit lobsided
I'm a car guy too, but it's frustrating seeing all this EV hate.. These cars are pretty much neck and neck now, and EV tech is only going to get better, are more environmentally friendly, and aren't going away. We should be excited for the future of cars, not resisting the change away from ICE engines.
Absolutely ! We have to be happy that tech is gonna bring us BEV like this IONIQ 5 to enjoy it !
It’s more about the government trying to make people switch. Especially when infrastructure and manufacturing technology is so behind in the usa compared to the rest of the world (thanks to decades of government legislation) that make switching and supporting EVs too expensive for the average income american wage slave
@evildrizzt1 I think the government should be doing a lot more to incentivize the switch.. it's a great way to decarbonize faster, yet an F150 is still the top selling vehicle in America. People clearly aren't being forced into anything yet. Decades of inaction on that front are forcing a faster transition than we could have had otherwise, but still most companies are producing ICE engines until 2030 or 2035. As BEV tech gets better and manufacturing increases, they'll be cheaper to buy and own than ICE vehicles as well.
Consider that we are also moving towards a future with cars being replaced as often as phones.
With the complication and inherent danger in working on electrical systems in EV cars, we will see a rise in repair shops specializing in this area. However, the repairs themselves will be much more expensive. As a tradeoff your repair schedule is essentially zero with an EV, but your repairs that do happen are much more expensive.
What I anticipate is that planned obsolesce will rise in cars due to cost. It gives the manufacturer a whole lot more control over the vehicle (even gas cars are increasingly moving towards tracking data, just look at the response toyota gave to the GR Corollas that burst into flames) but also allows them to lock out users from "higher trims" which are essentially just software. A trim upgrade to allow you faster speeds is essentially an update, but not something the car is unable to do due to mechanical components.
Overall, I think we will run into an issue long-term with cars and recyclability and disposal of. We already have this issue in the tech sector, but it will become much more obvious 20 years into the future once electric cars run into similar issues and have much larger sizes to work with. ]Not to mention the increased cost in general of insurance with EV and modern cars due to the mass amount of sensors in the car.
@precisionsniper2012 now that is a scary thought..
Pretty sad when Mustang, an ICE car, cuts power due to overheating when the 5N, a BEV, has no heating issues. 5N is a track beast.
Why is that sad? That's literally always been an inherent weakness of ICE cars, where a significant portion of the energy from combustion of gasoline is converted to heat. That is wasted energy, as you want to convert as much energy as possible into mechanical energy. Not only is it inefficient, it also creates another problem: how to get rid of heat.
@@rustler08 batteries have big heating issues if pushed to limit, otherwise mostly reliable.
@@jovand6606 There is Ioniq 5 N doing Nurburgring hot lap x2 video on youtube. It did not overheat.
You must be new to cars. Probably doesn't own a car or just started driving. They're in the desert during the summer in California where it reaches 100+ degrees and 120+ degrees track temp. I was at the drag strip, 88 degrees, and track temp was 110 degrees. Even super cars will overheat in those temps. You people sit around waiting for something to complain about. You act like Plaids never overheated their batteries on the track at these temps. You EV fanboys are going to find out the hard way when your EV doesn't work when it's single digits with a real feel in the negatives. Good luck even getting 100miles to a charge if it does.
@@jovand6606 So explain to us why EVs have the lowest reliability score out of all the cars? They average 240 problems per 100 cars. I believe the average ICE only has 170 pph according the JD Powers.
The Ioniq 5 N is fuckin Incredible
Am pretty sure the hyundai would have won the hot lap even though if they didnt use the boost n mode and if driven correctly!!!!...and not hiding things!!..POV of my own ioniq 5n....
Also the DH has Trofeo RS tires as opposed to regular P Zeros on the N. Equalise the tires, and they would be very very close...
@@onehorsepowercomparisons are based of showroom stock conditions.
You upgrade tires on one vehicle and now you open the flood gates to modifications.
Hyundai should of released it with better tires. Thats on hyundai not ford.
@@dnegel9546 exactly right ... otherwise you could fix the Mustang overheating issues as well ... and put a blower on it .... and and and so on
@@LevyHappyClappertires are the most basic of upgrades tf, its street tires vs track tires. It’s the only thing connecting the car to the road and determines grip, braking distance and effectiveness, etc etc. If you really wanna test the better engine,suspension, and platform you’ll give them equal tires, it’s like running shoes for marathon runners.
@@flyjuice nope. Factory stock ca factory stock. Upgrade the tires on the hyundai and then you could turbo the mustang.
Theres a reason everyone compares stock vehicles and not modified ones.
Just a couple comments, since I've had the electrified GV70 for over a year. In my car there are paddles for more or less regen, and it feels like upshifting/downshifting. I love it. Also, the "boost" does only last 10 seconds but you can just press it again. Lastly, if the Hyundai was at 100% instead of 68% for the drag race, it would have been even more of a bloodbath.
So having never seeing anything from this channel I can now assume after watching this video, that these guys don't like electric cars at all. Even the way they did that hot lap seems pretty suspect.
pretty obvious the investors want them to make videos on EVs because that's what's on car lots... the shift in content....donut sold out a long time ago. blame the success because it happens to every channel that's get big and takes on investors to grow with the content. Now enjoy your in video ad for factor ON TOP of your youtube ad and consider buying a EV on the investors behalf because you cant think for youself!!!! "Don't forget to like and subscribe!!!" 🤕🤕🤕
So what? I don't like EVs either. People can't have an opinion?
I'm not sure where in that you saw that I thought they couldn't have an opinion. The comment was my opinion. Out of curiosity, why don't you like EV's?
@@Icebergslim333 You can have an opinion but this video is an objective comparison not a vlog of talking about why they don't like evs. Grow a brain.
Why do people say this is an ad, both of the cars are private owned?
It's not a direct ad, but it's an ad format. Use your brains
I'm getting "Hyundai Ad" vibes from it, personally. Not sure why, but it feels like there is some astroturfing going on here.
You'll know when it's an ad, it features Jimmy miming using a wrench 🤣
@@Ultimatebubs Why would they need to get a car from a viewer/friend if it was a Hyundai ad? Wouldn't they provide the car?
@@Ultimatebubs I got the same feeling right until Justin said "This doesn't makes me like EV's, Would I buy it? Absolutely not."
so sick of the EV hate from this channel. Some of us don't care how the power is generated, only what the experience is.
The real experience is the cobalt mines
@@parkerlee1301 The real experience is on the oil rigs.
I don't think it's hate bro... I think some ppl still love gas engines and no matter how amazing these evs are they can't be overly impressed.... that's kind of how I feel
Why did they give the win of drifting to the Mustang? The hyundai drifted just as well, if not better. If it's just going to be lame "I prefer this for unspecified reasons" or "I prefer this for unmeasurable reasons", then why even bother with a fake comparison and just say you prefer the mustang and not waste everyone's time with a make-believe comparison?
To favour their fan base i guess. I get it look and feel could be different, maybe it felt better with Mustang? But like you said Hyundai looked just as good and i was also surprised by their given results.
Trust me, drifting a true rear-wheel drive car versus an electronically locked RWD is a world of difference when it comes to the feeling.
Completely different feeling. Dropping the clutch in a manual v8 is not the same as electric torque just blowing the tires off 😂
@@Cavemanner Ioniq 5 doesn't have electronic lock. Rear motor only driver rear wheels. how is this no true real-weel drive?
@@edfx yeah, that's my bad, I wasn't thinking about it the right way. Still, it'll be a cold day in hell before it feels better to drift an EV than an ICE.
Mustang with the windows down and the heat on, the IONIC EV with windows up and air conditioning running. The Mustang is unintentionally a bigger gimmick than the EV with its designed gimmicks.
Also noticed the disparity on testing conditions between the two cars.
@Donut the 5N being an EV isn't a negative, it's a demonstration the future can still be fun without the inefficiency and pollution. And for all your critique of the 5N being "heavy" you failed to criticize the Mustang for only being 800lbs lighter. A 4000lb "sports car" strikes me as a far more egregious pig of a vehicle since a full-size pickup can be bought new from the same manufacturer weighing less.
The N stands for 2 Things. It also stands for Nurburgring
you made the ring thing up ... has nothing to do with Nurburgring
@LevyHappyClapper as a Hyundai salesmen They literally tell us this in our training fun fact the N logo itself is actually one of the corners of the track! A simple Google search would make you wanna remove that comment.
@@LevyHappyClapper The cars are tested in the Nurburgring as the final write-off for production. The 5n can do 2 full laps without overheating which is insane for any production EV.
@@LevyHappyClappertell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me
@NoOneKnown512 he's right. The 5N comes with a drive mode called "Endurance" which is meant for the car to level power and increase battery pack airflow with the adaptive grill shutters so that they indeed last longer around the track!
Hyundai is seriously shaking up the design of their new cars, really leaning into retro-futurism 80s vibes. I'm not a huge fan of EV's myself, but I think they have a place and they should be more common. I will love ICE configurations until the day I die, but I understand their impact on the world around us, so some day they'll probably just be a hobbyist thing, and that's okay. We the millennial folk are used to the ICE configs, we grew up with them, we watched them change, and now there's a new generation of drivers getting on to the roads and EVs are slowly becoming the better choice all around. Unless we find an alternative fuel source that is readily abundant, efficient, and not nearly as pollutant as gasoline the ICE is going away.
"I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too"
$60K factory Track car can't do 20 min lap session
Yeah that mustang did overheat.... Ford doing ford things lol
@@teej5619that'll be every American car.
@@lugi25nahhhhhh camaro ss 1le or Mach 1 wouldn’t
The N cars are a good value. The downfall is that even the dealers do not really understand them. When I pull my Kona N in for service they think it is a N-Line and I have to check to make sure they do the service properly because of different engine, transmission, tires, interior, shocks, frame, etc.
The Kona N looks like a blast!
@@focussport It is way too much fun!
I feel like somewhere there is a 25ish minute edit of this video that got chopped down at the last minute.
You have a weird edit showing a counter of playing with settings, but they never talk about it. They have Steph in the car for a big chunk, but never introduce her or anything.
Also talk about big vibes of "ICE cars good EV bad" coming off of this one.
Did you press the Boost button on the Ioniq during the laps? German TH-camr JP Performance did laps on his channel and it actually made a difference.
Yup, only then does it have full power, for 10 seconds I believe.
If they had done that, they wouldn't have gotten the result they wanted, which was letting the Dark Horse win. It's pretty obvious.
@@iSOBigD wow 10 seconds ...
@@LevyHappyClapper10 seconds is an eternity with 640hp at full throttle. Tell me you've never driven a fast car without telling me.
Yeah, it's an extra 40hp... of course it makes a difference.
The guy running sound effect had me dying lmfao 🤣 😂😂
Yeah, that would pretty much be my default, either that or the supersonic sound!
The edit inside the car when they are messing with settings and going from "what does this do? oooo" and immediately cutting to donuts lol
brain aneurysm reading this
@@yodrum basic reading comprehension gave you an aneurysm? Thats fine, the world will always need ditch diggers and factory line workers.
This EV has a great interior, attractive styling, fantastic drivability, makes us grin, and its track performance rivals a Mustang Darkhorse. We hate it.
It’s crazy how far EV’s have come. In less than 5 years they now have “performance” versions which aren’t bad. I for one like what Hyundai did with this little car. Give it some time and they will make one that is “track” ready
Where’s James Pumphrey?!
Update: James started his own channel called Speeed.
Day 82 of asking where James is, right after day 1,215 of wondering where Jame's Dad is
Wasn’t he in that tent vid with Jimmy
Reconnecting with his dad.
Died
@alitty3224 no it was a different guy
You likely would have done better in the Inoiq 5 N with all the fake stuff on. The sound and the shifting, which is why I think they added those features, to give you more intuitive track feeling. But we all know that at the track weight is going to be the biggest penalty in the turns.
The whole "It looks good, it's fun, but it's an EV" is getting super old. It's ok to enjoy a car regardless of it being an EV or not.
You yearn for the cobalt mines
Bro engine sounds is what makes car brands exciting and gives cars character. It has always been that way.
@@G82Watts Bro that is part of the fun there's more to a car than engine sounds. And many electric race cars make amazing sounds. I recommend you watching some in person. It's just so stupid to talk about everything that is so good about the car and then totally write it off at the end just because it's an EV. At least talk about why being an EV negates all the other long list of positives. Things don't progress if we just keep blindly saying we don't like things without describing why.
@@germannerd1 I can see how some folks would have more fun in an EV, especially if they aren't use to racing with an hshift car. It would be like trying to convince a horse person to just swap over trackday driving. It's just a whole different experience. I drive both, and my EV is my commuting appliance for a reason, even though it's slower my ICE car is my fun car.
It's not that an EV has negatives, it's more that it doesn't have the list of positive an ICE has, when reads like a list of negatives for non ICE car people.
True, there is an intangible to it, a subjective feeling if you will. Maybe it's because I've done everything from taking the ICE apart and put it back together, changed the clutch, upgraded various parts of it (mostly cooling), down to just the simple "life" fluid changes. Maybe it is all the real mechanical sounds/vibrations (like turning the key for that cold start sound, hearing the starter wind up and ICE bark to life as I hold the key is a therapy in and of itself!) and feel of actually pushing and pulling gears into place; being able to nail that great lap with all the skills needed and moving bits at play to keep the car in the power band as often as possible. There is a labor of love and a give and take relationship I have formed with my hshift ICE car that's just missing from my EV commuting appliance. Even though the EV is objectively faster, I would sell it in half a heartbeat instead of my ICE car.
I’m here for David Johnson. These edits are clean.
“It’s still and EV so not good”…..EV proceeds to shred the Mustang.
but the Mustang is no good either
Ev still a POS
Jerry’s hyena laugh 😂🤣😂
She's from real mechanic stuff channel
For all their talk about innovation most car people HATE innovation. Such a lack of imagination. Think about an electric Dodge Charger that can sound and shift like any Charger EVER made. Or a modern tech Corvette that feels like a '63. Stop living in the dark ages
The Hyundai looks like the tactical droid from Clone Wars
Yep and it's faster than so many other "fast" cars.
lol i cant unsee that now
That's a nasty shot lol 💀😭
start my ship
lmao
We're all car lovers here, there is no doubt that nothing beats the feelings you get in a loud powerful Internal Combustion Engine powered car.... But what I will never understand is how EVs get sh!t on every time they are compared to an ICE. Boys, they're better, they just are - and they are just getting started. 10 years from now EVs will do everything better and cheaper and with almost no maintenance. Y'all are gonna look like dinosaurs. This competition pits a full blown track inspired musclecar against basically a soccer dad's 4 door hatchback and it makes the Mustang look like a slug...
8:39 was perfect, def need more of that!
Difference, in Europe you have to put 1 in front of the Mustang's price.
It has to he exported champ
@@johnquinn4680 the shipping only adds a couple of grand, ICE cars are taxed much higher in many European countries. In Ireland an Ioniq 5N is about Golf R money. Golf R is gone from the VW ireland website at the moment, sadly.
Oof that sucks
@@johnquinn4680 so does every car outside Europe (including the Hyunday)? Plus, shipping of a xar across the ocean costs usualy not 100k
@@johnquinn4680 most cars has to be exported champ. Why is the Hyundai not so overpriced then champ?
I could not stand watching European reviews of American cars becuz they would just pump up non-factors in their favor and always threw in the “of course it’s American” for every flaw, blatantly biased, now Americans are doing the same against EV’s, sad.
The Mustang wins the “donut contes” … < what? Mustang wins in track battle … good that’s what it is designed to do, and sadly it over heated, had problems, you “forgot to time it”, etc. but it was faster (thank god).
The EV is a smooth daily driver that you can charge at home, crush practically anything light to light, and isn’t horrible on a track and didn’t have any of the problems the Mustang did. That’s the real story, daily driver that your g-ma can drive and the g-son can run at the strip. Hate on EV’s all you want but that’s pretty incredible for any car to pull off
It was a mistake not offering your hosts stakes in Donut.
For me the Ioniq is the best looking EV car so for. I think it's still about the way you deal with the design of the grill/front of the car and Hyundai did a great job on this design.
I give Hyundai props for trying to make another boring EV into something trying to resemble a sports car, but... Fake engine noise, fake transmission, etc. The Mustang is way too expensive for what you get, but still more appealing.
A 15 year old Corvette Z06 would be a better choice than either IMHO.
8:39 you just got Coconut Malled
I clicked this video just so i could dislike the 17:08 long ad
Did you guys use the N Grin Boost button for the straights on this thing during the hotlaps?
Weird seeing a drag race at willow springs without the insane production of Jason Cammisa's drag race
10:13 country boy sh*t had me ROLLING
0:25
Lolol "Transmition" for transmission 😂😂😂
james made a channel guys
What is it?
@@meckkz387c it's called "Speeed"
@@meckkz387c It's Speeed
@@meckkz387c speeed 3e's
@@meckkz387c Big Time!
Not sure who decided to call it a 'transmition' at the beginning but hopefully an editor will catch it next time.
EVs have transmissions. Just not the ones we're used to using. Most have a single speed trans. (I did hear of a 2-speed trans for an EV but I can't seem to remember where I heard/read it. Maybe it was more of a power to the motor(s) thing and not a transmission thing?)
I just looked it up - Porsche Taycan and Audi e-tron GT have 2-speeds
@bluflaam777 no he means the literal spelling mistake. Some editor is asleep at the wheel or crying for help.
@@bluflaam777LSA The Porsche Taycan has a 2 speed transmission. Tesla tried it for the original roadster but kept snapping them so they gave up and just went fixed gears.
They misspell things like that all the time as a joke. Like Hrsprs and Mo Powa
@@matthewschoenemann if it was in reference to the electric car I'd be inclined to agree, but it seems weird to refer to the Dark Horse's stick like that.
Ionic 5 N: AWD, +101hp, insta-torque, gearless.
Mustang DH: RWD, -101hp, reg-torque, 6spd manual. (the manual is much slower than the automatic)
Definitely a comparison of all time.
I don’t understand ev hate at all. They’re faster and more powerful and no emissions. Just cause you like engines doesn’t mean you have to hate batteries. You can love both for their differences
Everyone has known this for awhile now. As a vehicle you will use 99.9% of the time, you would be foolish not to consider an EV. There's a reason why there's so many of them on the road nowadays. I understand over a decade ago it was novelity and those people were truly guinea pigs. But now that's been over a decade of developent, and infrastructure has been put in place, you can't go wrong with an EV.
The problem lies with finding a proper EV for your lifestyle.
Granted, not everyone will be able accomodate an EV in their life. It requires some proper battery knowledge more than anything else. The problem lies with people thinking they can "fill up" an EV the same way you can with an ICE vehicle. Once you learn the proper way of operating an EV, you'd always wonder how you went along with an ICE vehicle for so long...
For those fortunate enough to be able to afford 2 vehicles and house them properly, you can have the best of both worlds. Have the ICE of your dreams and leave the EV as your daily commuter/errand runner.. 🙂
I had it that way, then the N came along and replaced the gas car with the N. The N doesn’t need to warm the engine for 10min, doesn't do 6mpg when having fun, don't need to replace all oils every 6 months, doesn’t heat soak when stopping for a chat, won't dump the gearbox and/or engine out on the street if I misshift once. The list goes on.
Yeah it's no real engine sound but it feels great. Just like I can enjoy (electronic) music streaming on speakers, don't necessarily need to be sitting in a concert hall listening live to a virtuoso on his grand piano. That's nice too, and so is an NA v12 that revs 12000rpm... But not necessary to have fun, per se.
I have looked but for some reason I cannot find an EV that can recharge as fast as my ICE car can refuel
@@LevyHappyClappermy car does 100 mi in about 9 minutes not quite fast as gas but damn fast regardless
Lol you guys spelled transmission wrong 0:26
Transmition…. Wtf…. 😂
They also missed the t in Justin at one point
Also spelled cumming up wrong
That split second gave me a headache immediately.. Brain was doing gymnastics trying to understand how that happened.
It’s an ai doing the captions not a real guy
dark horse with the 700A package is over 80k, jesus christ haha...i'd rather just jump for the gt500 at that point, can still get one under warranty. props to Donut for throwing a cute girl in the mix, lord knows they need the fucking clicks now
Fun fact: Pikes Peak hillclimb requires EV to make noise at a certain level (I believe it's for safety). I think Hyundai doesn't want their car to sound like an ambulance so they used the simulated sound, and it's great.
If Justin & Nolan leave, this channel is unfortunately doomed
Well james left so it's already doomed
@@imbirbnah, it's not the same, but not dead. Justin & Nolan can still carry
James left donut. It's official, donut media is dead
His new channel is called. Speeed
The first video is an up to speed on donut.
James isn’t the only person that made donut enjoyable. Just the up to speed videos.
@@mattvang3439also jer and job
Not just James dummy
Im not even an EV guy and this feels so fake and biased. The I5N is a fukin sick car. The damn thing didnt overheat twice and assumedly wasnt used to its fullest potential. Its funny to bash on tesla but the ioniq is amazing.
Nothing worse then large corporate enterprises. Goodbye Donut i loved you
did you notice the "private owner cars" bit at the end? why these two shitty cars? I'm calling BS. Maybe they are private owner but why those cars?
i’ve ridden in the ioniq 5 and the acceleration is absolutely insane. it feels like a rollercoaster.
the engine noise i agree its lame asf. if your gonna drive this thing own the dead quiet speed it delivers. honestly its pretty badass to be so quick but so quiet at the same time imo. but if i was gonna choose artificial noise to play while driving it be the supersonic one it fits the ev the best imo
also probably another controversial opinion of mine i love the hot hatch/crossover look of this car
Justin has so much potential. Especially for an off-road channel.
no, the only thing hurting the EV on that last race was the sht driver.
Womp womp
I move these N-Lines cars onto trains all day and they are pretty fast and cool
In which universe did the Mustang win? The 5N is demonstrably stronger in all disciplines. Acceleration, lateral acceleration and braking. You are the only channel incapable of confirming the results already proven by many other channels. Because it's a stupid EV... wow....
Wait, @Donut, for the Ionic 5 N did you do the drag race and hot lap with the shifting simulation on or off? From what I understand, the simulated shifting decreases the Ionic 5 N's performance a little bit.
4:56 now Jimmy's dad has Jimmy in the ads too
I’m glad we have Justin 👍
It's official, rip donut 😢
Nobody who watched original donut is spending 70k on these shitty cars. its ruined the channel and a waste for the sponsor...
@@jamesjross exactly, or buying an EV
Listen, I love gas guzzling cars too, but I don't think the IONIQ was given a fair shake here. You showed you guys fiddling with settings a lot but never actually showed the settings you were running. In that track test, I heavily doubt you guys were setting it into track mode and using the boost and all that. I feel like if you guys weren't using those settings, that's disingenuous. I love ICEs but at the end of the day, EVs are the future and are objectively better (at least, in terms of performance) than ICEs. It's getting annoying to see EV hate constantly when you know it's not because EVs are a fad and mostly because people are still stuck in their old ways and don't want to change or admit that they're wrong. It feels like the IONIQ was just getting beaten up on the entire video, and it's not very fair OR objective.
If I'm wrong and you guys WERE using all the performance modes on the IONIQ, then I will admit I am wrong.
mmmm "Objectively better". When are EV guys going to finally WAKE UUUUP and realize its not all about gd numbers. Its working under the hood with your dad when you were a kid, its learning stick for the first time, its getting your first exhaust mod put on, its literally living in the STICK SHIFT (actually took skill to race....not assists) street racing era that was 1999 to 2005. Its not relying on firmware updates and cheap Chinese screens every where. ITS THE WHOLE PICTURE. Not just going fast in a straight line while you literally do NOTHING behind the wheel. There will never be a fair shake here PERIOD because you really cannot compare the two.
@@Turbowski85 Correct, there will be no fair shake here... because EVs are better.
You having some nostalgia about gas cars doesn't change the fact that EVs outperform them 9/10.
@@CorndogCrusader Wow my comment went right over your head clearly. You are soley focused on numbers, we are focused on the driving experience (all senses), building, and connection through those builds. All things EV is missing. Nostalgia has little to do with it. Trying to diminish 100 years of ICE evolution and breakthroughs because billionaires are pushing an objectively cheaper to make car for an even higher marked up price is retarded. You are falling for it hook line and sinker. Enjoy your subscription only car in 10 years....
I'm really amazed by the high advanced tech, especially since the ICE car struggled with temperature management on the track, but the EV had no issues at all.
Jeremiah's giggle is just awesome. Pure joy.