Why Does Ford Transit Still Have Blocked DPF After 4 Mechanic Visits & Various Parts Replaced?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มี.ค. 2023
- Launchtech.co.uk
look at why this vehicle was looked at various times but failed to fix the issue and also explain other common causes of constant diesel particulate filter blockages
fault codes
P244C:00-28 Exhaust Temperature Too Low For Particulate Filter Regeneration
P2463:00-AF Particulate Filter Restriction Soot Accumulation
P246C:00-AF Particulate Filter Restriction Forced Power Limit - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
DPF was the worst invention ever for the diesel. They are always prone to falling and mechanics ,as you say, seem clueless as to how to fix the issues. Thanks for your excellent video
Spot on!
Emissions control device, great
Now measure it's emissions under its worse case operating conditions IE whilst under a heavy regeneration cycle.
No point collecting soot to burn later if the additional fuel required to burn it causes worse emissions.
Same goes for stupidness like secondary air pumps etc, fooling emissions measurements by pumping air into the exhaust doesn't mean your emissions are actually cleaner.
Some mechanic accidentally took my dpf out no problems now 😉
@@hallsey5405 I did the same on my car but it needed a dpf delete and tune on engine management because the engine management needs to know it isn't there
@@Markdmarque Yeah my van did need a bypass 😁
I’ve had a DPF problem since Jan and I watched sooooo many of your videos and managed to do it myself and reduced the soot levels from 169% to nearly all clear, no more limp mode, engine light off and driving like a new car! Been 2 weeks now 👍🏼 Thank you 😊
Yes! Well done student 😉👍🏻
The fact that it can say 169% is a clue to DPF being a garbage mandate.
has it blocked again?
I’ve learned more off two of your videos than a months worth of other ones. Thank you 🙏
Great vid...educational and no annoying music thanks
Cheers from the New England colonys !
Awesome video, unfortunately I don't get a lot of diesel cars and trucks at my shop however it's important to stay on top of things because someday I'll run across this and I will be prepared!
Can't get enough of Jimmy's videos, keep up the great work Jimmy !! You'd make a great instructor, logical thinking and step by step detailing, just fab !
Thanks, will do!
Sir, it is knowing how to access the info, what is needed to rectify the fault, then using correct parts to complete that, Your videos highlight this brilliantly
Sorry I forgot the 3.2 Ford diesel is an American model Transit, 350 HD, 2017. The van is in America and I'm in Thailand trying to trouble shoot its many problem's. Not a lot of people know the engine very well. The glow plug problem hasn't even come up. Again thank you very much for what you do to help people.
Hey up Jimmy, just found your channel, someone who knows something, as nowadays everybody thinks they do 🤔, great technical details and the truth, really like this sort of stuff, thanks for sharing, ride safe, Simon B 👍
Thanks 👍
Just found your channel I am in my late sixties and not up to speed with all this new stuff. But still find it very interesting. Thank you so much for making these videos. You tell it as it is.
Regards
Raymond 🏴
Welcome aboard!
I agree this is helping so much
been in the trade for 36 years and I'm still on a learning curve. you never stop learning in this trade
a guy that knows what he's doing...bravo..knowledge is worth every penny and what you pay for.
Thanks
Just want to say a thank you for all your videos on transit customs and DPF's after spending a few evenings watching your videos I tackled my van this weekend and found a blocked fuel vaporizer. Sadly I couldnt get it out with the dpf attached so had to pull dpf out, you make it look easy getting it out. However a clean up with a blow torch reassemble and some dpf cleaner and 5 minutes of forced regen and now 0.5kpa on idle was between 3kpa and 5kpa before. Out for a test drive and no lights or limp mode! Thanks for taking the time to make your videos they are a great help!
Cheers 👍🏻
Hi jimmy just come across your channel. As a mechanic my self for 40 years + in the trade working in a dealership ford being one of them . And I agree with your comment on the heater plugs can you do a video on removing them 😅 . Keep up the good work and the videos coming 👍
I've got maybe 4 videos removing them on my channel
Never likes forced regens - seen an exhaust go so hot the fuel tank melted 😮 your a master of your trade 🙏🙏
Thank you
Great video mate. What is critical for dpf systems is when vehicle gets an oil change you must reset the oil data and service reminders as the systems only know if you tell them. Otherwise the system thinks it hasn't had an oil change and thinks the oil is diluted and will not complete regenerations.
Interesting. Glad I always did that for an oil dilution warning light service.
You're really good at teaching mate, I enjoyed watching this. Thanks for sharing
Thanks 🍻
Very interesting video, thanks for taking the time and trouble to load it!
No worries!
If only garages had reliable knowledgeable people like you fella
Nice one
Thanks
Thanks. Hopefully enough people will learn from the videos
Life of a motor mechanic a lot of learning every year.
Great advice as always Jimmy. Top Man.
Glad you enjoyed it
Another top video from the top techs,thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
New subscriber here, you definitely know your stuff. Great to watch, good work!!
Welcome aboard!
Wish I knew good mechanics as good as you fantastic job and video
Thanks 👍
@@ORileysAutos hi great video where are you based cheers
@@johnbullough6431 Biggleswade UK
Been watching most of your videos now, you,re dam good at your job .:-}
I've a Nissan xtrail, 1st car I've owned with a dpf, the car was doing a regen nearly everyday, even the day after doing a long motorway drive.
I got a fuel card through the blue light card, but it's only for Esso fuel, I save enough for it to be cheaper than supermarket fuel.
Since going over to Esso fuel, my cars not done a regen in over 4 months
Not saying changing fuel supplier would work for everyone, but it definitely worked for me.
Eh I think a regen is actually good for it every once in a while
great video , great content and Jimmy fixed it again ......
Thanks again!
Great video. Thanks for the insights
My pleasure!
I've had to saw the vaporiser off the nut many a time to get a socket on and crack it off. You've got some nads replacing them on the street, bro! Fair play.
Jimmy keep them coming - every day is a school day as far as I’m concerned - I can see a 2017 plate Vivaro coming down to you on a trailer soon 😂 I’m on my third attempt here just waiting on the launch gun to give me the FOAM action which you shared the other night 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
no such thing as a 2017 plate, it's 66 (January/February), 17 (March-August) or 67 (September-December)
Oh dear another fussy so and so.
You are great man You are boss for all dpf story thanks man
Thanks and welcome
Hi Jimmy! Love the videos
Wondering if you could help a welsh lad currently stranded in Canada.
It’s a Ducato 115 multijet, 2l, 2014
I’ve located the dpf which sits vertically behind the radiator.
Just wondering if you know which is the 02 sensor or which bolt I should undo to start the process.
Well done mate! ✌️👍🇬🇧
Thanks 👍
I was having DPF problems for a few years with a 2012 Transit , the van is sold now but its just a pity I didn't find out about you sooner I'd still have the van .
Great information. Thanks for sharing. We have a 2014 460 minibus adblue. Should we be looking at getting a dpf service as a preventative measure?
Jimmy come up to Glasgow please sort my merc, love your videos and work.
On transits during regen the engine glow plugs come on when the engine is in over-run. When putting throttle on, the vapouriser pump hz will increase proportionately up to a max of around 4hz pulses as the increased combustion heat allows more vapouriser fuel to be injected without visible white smoke appearing from the tailpipe. Conversely, when in over-run the pump hz will ramp down to zero (stop flow to the vapouriser) and the glow plugs will come on. At this time during over-run the throttle body will close more to gag the air flow to try maintain DPF heat until load conditions mean heat can be restored. As soon as you ease your foot back onto the accelerator the glow plugs will go back off and the pump hz will ramp back up again. The vapourizer glow plug stays energised throughout. Debatable how much influence the cylinder glow plugs heat has on the combustion or regen heat process during this small operating window or whether it is mainly to load the engine up via load on the alternator in the same way as the heated screen comes on (60A load) during regen.
I think what most likely happens is on-over-run, as the combustion fuel is decreased then post-combustion fuel is increased and the glow plugs are energised to help burn this post injection fuel to maintain heat. I've noticed on my 2014 van it happens more i.e. the glow plugs kick in more frequently on over-run during regens when the weather is colder. No doubt manufacturers will have ECU's calibrated to pull more and more tricks out of the bag as ambient temps drop to help generate heat during regens..
@@johnnyskratch40 good information thanks!
Dont forgot the glow plugs help start the engine when cold so unburnt fuel doesn't get into the dpf which will start to clog the system most likely the very beginning of all problems with dpf systems, dont ignore a bad glow plug
Well done, good man!!!!
Good video Very informative!
Glad it was helpful!
Good man, keep up the good work with the videos. I am thinking of coming up to you for some work on my Touareg, but what is your preferred / normal working area.
Biggleswade
Brilliant video well explained
Glad you liked it
Well done. Great info
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve got a sprinter that is showing many of the same symptoms as this it’s been to various Mercedes specialists, merc main agent and a local garage and it’s no better. DPF was taken off when it was having a clutch two months ago and acid bathed light back on with less than 1000 miles since.
Great lesson thank you
Glad you liked it!
Does this model have the 2 air filters? Worth replacing them at the same time?
At what millage should the glow plugs be changed as a maintenance item, doing 100,000 miles per year? Just found your cannel. WE have a 3.2 ford. Thank you very much.
Interesting stuff, not sure how similar a 2012 Subaru Outback diesel system is but my mate bought one a while back with 50k miles, not long after purchase the money light came on and it went into limp mode so he took it to the local garage, something like £1200 later with some new parts and a dpf clean he got it back, there were signs the dpf had previously been cleaned and the garage said chemical cleaning doesn't work (which my friend now takes as gospel) so it was sent away to be burnt out? or something, anyway the garage said it possibly wouldn't work, later on the eml came back and it went into limp mode again so he took it to Subaru, a new dpf and parts for something like £2500 and it was meant to be fixed but by then he was paranoid it was going to go again so recently part ex'd it on a Hyundai.
Diesel particle filter - designed to stop diesel particles from entering the environment. So you pump a load of Nast chemicals into the DPF and squirt it out over the road and back into the environment! Guess you put profit over health!
Great video I have to say you no your stuff about the workings of these dreaded dpf’s
Thank you
Great video and very good explanation on how to fix the issue, i'm looking at buying a 2014 Transit custom which the seller has stated there is a exhaust filter issue hence price!
I'm assuming its the dpf also and has same issue , where can i source the same part make you use as there are so many chinese ones online and i need a decent trusted part. Thanks :)
Luke
Hi mate, was there a code for the exhaust pressure sensor or did you just go off live data readings?
Thermostat replaced?
Great vids, keep up the good work
Thermostat getting replaced part on order. I ain't replacing the Thermostat. I was called to figure out the injection fault as no clear indication of what was causing it. It's common for this pipe to block so I checked it. Very difficult to unblock it
excellant work
Thank you! Cheers!
I used some Launch Flow restored and after the second tank full popped the vaporizer off and it looked almost completely clean. Think I'm going to use that every 3 months or so as preventative maintenance.
Did you buy the extended prope for the launch dpf cleaner, i mainly do volkswagen cars, and would have thought i could use the standard prob, if that was the one you were using in the video via the pressure difference sensor pipework.
My Relay was starting to smoke rather bad but after doing 400 miles in a few days it seemed to have cleaned itself out. That's one thing my van didn't fail it's mot on ha
Great video 👍🇮🇪
Thanks 👍
I heard somewhere that the new Peugeot boxers with the 2.0HDI using these ford engines? Or is that only the 2.2? Thanks for your work.
Launch is the best, I only recommend Launch.
Launch UK are an amazing company
@@ORileysAutos I know matey, I'm a Vehicle Electrician. I trust my life to Launch
Saab do the same. Failed regen because the thermostat is stuck open. Can't reach system requirements. Can the vaporiser be stripped and cleaned?
Hi love your videos how to clean dpf on peugeot 5008 2.0 hdi from 2012 .
Tbh the part name itself is pretty cool: A Vaporiser!
Hey Jimmy, now you've had your new launch scanner a while, how about another quick vid on its ins and outs. . Assuming you're a bit more familiar with it.
Cheers bud.
If I can think of anything extra to add yes
I run everything that puts a load to the engine, like the ac on full blast, heated seats, heated windows etc so the exhaust Temps rise more... It actually helps out alot!
Yes the AC trick helped me fix my dpf plus diesel additives plus check your oil level and a good run on the motorway
I currently have a transit in with blocked dpf that a mobile cleaning company couldn't unblock so I'm removing it to be cleaned properly. I've also found the vapouriser blocked and have codes for 2 glow plugs .
Will the glow plugs stop a regen in the future as don't really want to do them lol
Glow plugs fault can on some vehicles put ecu into a un noticeable "safe" mode where dynamic regeneration won't ever happen hence why the dpf eventually clogs up. They are also utilised as a load on the engine during regeneration
Correct 👍🏻
I know with manitou forks if you go too easy on them you have dpf filter issues, but you need to keep the revs up to keep the filter right
Hello mate. I’ve got a 2013 mark 7 transit. Had Dpf problems for months, had the vaporiser and bank 1 sensor 3 changed, engine light still would come back on after. Now the engine light has stayed off but the powertrain light is on permanently, would occasionally come on when I would drive at high rpm to try and force a regen but now it’s on constantly. Never has gone into limp mode the whole time I’ve had the issues with it. I’ve spent nearly £1500 in 6 months on it. Bar going to Ford and bring raped with their prices I’m at a complete loss. Any advice please mate?
is it possible to manipulate the DPF into regeneration mode by maintaining a certain engine speed at a certain RPM , gear ? and do these extra additional regenration modes prevent these problems.
Still good videos for the community, to your knowledge does a autel 808 do DPF resets for vauxall vivaro I know you had one years back ??
Sorry u can't remember. Definitely not the newer PSA Vivaro
2013 vivaro so hopefully it'll be good, cheers
Hi jimmy , I have a 2015 Ford transit 350 2.2 tdci mk8 euro 5
Blowing white smoke out of exhaust no loss of power no engine lights etc driving 100%
Do you think a cable tied injector would cause the issue randomly smoking
Coming from an hgv perspective where scr systems and dpf etc are far more complicated than on any modern car or van I’m absolutely flabbergasted as to how garages can’t seem to fathom these systems out 😅 I’ve even come across a Peugeot Citroen expert who didn’t even know what the fap fluid was actually doing in the system thought it was being injected into the exhaust by the adblu injector i mean Jesus come on fella lolll
Seen mechanics fill the fap/Eloy's fluid reservoir with diesel.
@@prawny12009 Pmsl great inject diesel into a diesel fuel tank I’m sure that’ll help loll nuggets
I was just thinking this, heavy diesel mechs this is nothing new
@@Gearhead90 they don't put it in pump fuel because the additive is extremely carcinogenic hence injecting into the fuel tank.
The thing is it injectors every time the fuel nozzle goes in so if you are a cheapskate that only puts a few less of fuel in at a time the additive estimate counter will trigger earlier.
Poor training David, simple as that fella
When I worked at Ford. We were changing vaporisers on transits every day
Sounds like I work at ford 😅
Done 3 today 1 tomorrow and 2 Wednesday
dpf light came on my Mk4 caddy and just ran the the Vag Group DPF regen as per the instructions never heard from it again and sold the vehicle with a clean histrory.
Please, maybe you can help me, I changed the Dpf filter 3 weeks ago on my Ford custom, and now the problem is back again. Do you have any idea what the problem can be ?
See you in Luton Euro car parts all the time 😅
DPF. One of the major problems is understanding why it fills! Less foot on the pedal stops generating the soot in the first place. DPF systems rely on the temperature sensors to regen.
A couple of years ago a car guy in stralia called John cadogan was talking about the Toyota hilux dpf issues and one of his theories was a air leak in between the air flow sensor and the engine.
This can absolutely cause DPF blockage. I had a cracked intercooler hose on my Volvo V50 cause the DPF to block. Apparently the air leak messes with the sensor readings which throws up error codes on the ECU. While those error codes are there the DPF regen cycle won't run. When my mechanic replaced the hose the regen cycle kicked in as soon as he started the car.
Catch 22 other faults cause regen cycle to fail to prevent the dpf burning out/melting but it then blocks the dpf and refuses to regen at all even after the first fault is fixed.
Clogged adblue injectors cause nox emissions faults (selective nox efficiency below fresh hold) which prevent regeneration, leaking as blue can also completely block the exhaust with urea salts showing as a clogged dpf.
bit late to the party ,how would you do a dpf that was pre vapouriser ,would you just do the dpf clean? cheers ,my transit doesnt have one thankfully but i had a mk4 mondeo 2.2 that went into limp due to dpf shame because it were a great car up to that issue
I'm getting a knoc sensor fault and the ad blue tank isn't tracking the level in the tank. It's ful but only says no engine restarts in 250 miles . Ad blue dosing malfunction
These DPF filters are a scourge of vehicles today
Top man
Can I do away with the dpf have remapped and if I do will it put the dpf vaporizer light off
Hi handsome. Great channel and knowledge. ❤ . I would like to ask you, do you drink English tea or water during your work? These vaporizer are going to make you wealthy. Keep it up. God bless you from northern California USA.
English Tea 6 times a day 😅
Absolute swine to get at and get out those vaporisers I struggle on a lift you got my respect doing on ya back. That euro tab 3 is very quick.
Definitely not easy
Glow plugs are used to help start with low emissions and also in many cases they are used during warmup. If a glow plug has failed that cylinder is less efficient and the engine will have a different performance from that cylinder during warmup. This torsional shock on the crankshaft will damage a dual mass flywheel with all of that cost! I had that conversation with a LUK Dual Mass Flywheel Technical rep. Also crankshaft dampers on the front of the engine if they fail the Dual Mass Flywheel takes all the Torsional vibration and fails early. False economy do the glow plugs.
Have you had dpf issues with any 2.0 yet? I had one today but could not see the exhaust gas differential pressure stats, didn't know if that was because it was a 2.0, we run the launch euro tab III
Yes loads of them. Look for Particle filter inlet pressure
@@ORileysAutos ah ok so it is different, I checked that and was getting no reading at all so suspected the pressure sensor or a wiring fault, said it had 0.2v on the inlet voltage reading though
@@damianbarnbrook1305 the metal pipe that goes to the dpf pressure sensor gets blocked
Hi, Jimmy, my wife has a 2.0 tdci kuga she's had from new, its on 117k miles, it regens as it should & I change the oil 4 times a year, do you think I should give the DPF a clean as a preventative measure given the miles or wait until it starts being an issue? I have always serviced it myself from new and it's never missed a beat, what's your thoughts, cheers. Billy.
If it ain't broke dont fix it 👍🏻
@@ORileysAutos thanks Jimmy.
What model launch you using please pal? Can't seem to find the name of it. I currently use autel mk808- but thinking of upgrading to this
Euro Tab 3 from www.launchtech.co.uk
It helps if you put premium diesel and keep it full. Not heating oil...😅
I knew it was fifth injector before I even watched the video :) I drill the end of them unblock them then weld the hole back up
There are Easier ways to do it 😉
Brilliant
Thanks
why your diagnostic has 2 differential pressure values? top says 0 and bottom says 49.... is this front and back of dpf?
It's not just mechanics, it's everyone. I had a Mercedes E220d Convertible with a soot content of 400%. The key thing is what does the vehicle manufacturer count as red lines and what do they consider grey lines in terms of DPF regeneration cycles running naturally. Using Autel 806 I was able to let the car know the DPF had definitely been replaced, no, honestly. Then making sure that the red line of the EML not being illuminated does not prevent DPF regeneration drive the vehicle whilst keeping the measured PIDs as close to the perfect conditions as possible. In my particular case the engine speed was specified as between 725 and 925 RPM. This is in no way keeping the car in a lower gear and higher road speed to keep the revs high. This does nothing. On a vehicle that has a functioning DPF regeneration system you will see the optimal differential pressure value fluctuate between +1 to +16 and two negative values which can not be returned by the sensors. When the value is in the possible range you will see the exhaust temps rise from 300's to 600's as the system works and these will drop back when the range switches to the nonsense values. This is how the system is set up on '13 Mercedes 180, 200, 220, 250 diesel engines. I got this vehicle to return soot content of 72.5% and 77% the last two times I checked over the last 3000 miles of normal mostly urban driving. It took 3.5 trips on the A34 between Oxford and Newbury to get the DPF to stabilise at a normal fill level. No physical work was done on the vehicle except the Differential pressure sensor was replaced at owners request as the last "Parts Grenadier" told him it was necessary. I also used one tank of fuel with a non specific additive to run this process. The key TLDR message is get a live data scanner which gives you the PIDs you need to monitor for the DPF system to optimise the conditions needed for your manufacturers system. Plus EML illuminated is a red line for every manufacturer. Also don't believe everything you read on Google... Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
I enjoyed it
Have you had ford DPF blow back past the turbo?
Hey mate ever tried any other kind of DPF cleaner? That launch stuff doesn't look available here.
Cheers
fortes is good mate
Is the Thermostat jammed open? (148,000+ mile)
How does a dpf clean cost roughly?
Amazes me why people won't pay for a clean after a new part is fitted.
The custom has got a dangerous safety problem. The design of the air intake for the heater it lets fumes from under the engine bay though the windscreen wiper arm holes and some small grills the fumes the get sucked into the cabin. The exhaust needed to exit at the rear not half way down trapping the fumes
Like any part on a car they don't last forever I had problems with dpf on BMW 318d I had it regenerated all faults on dianostic disappeared I eventually replaced dpf had no further issues