Running form definitely makes a difference. When I first started running a couple years ago I was over striding at 230 lbs and tore through some Brooks Ghost in 200 miles. All that breaking stress on the front of the shoe demolished the tread and cushion. Now with improved form and at 190 lbs I have a pair of Hoka Napali with much less rubber at over 300 miles. I did recently change how I use them, now for shorter 4-6 mile efforts as they don't quite give me enough comfort for my 10+ mile runs any longer. Rotating shoes is great and also has allowed me as a newer runner to buy clearance shoes at $50-70 to try different types of shoes and not feel like I'm "locked" into a shoe I don't enjoy as much.
Also, don't forget your work shoes too. A few years ago I was getting shin splints, then I realized my work shoes were over two years old, guess what got new work shoes within a week the shin splints went away.
I've been using Ghost 11 since January, and it has almost 600 miles in it. Normally some other running experts will say the ideal mileage to change the shoes is about 500 but I'm on a budget so I think it's okay to keep it for some extra 100 miles, the out soles is a bit worn out but nothing too much to damage the EVA midsole. A proper running form really can save your money lol
I have used shoes for hundreds of miles, but that was all before they got to the $160 standard (to wit... the ASICS Nimbus back in the mid-90s lasted FOREVER). Now, I find that my shoes are "deflated" and tired at roughly 100-150 (to wit... I got 78 miles out of my Hoka Rincon before they were shot). Scheduled obsolescence has crept into this industry.
From what I understand the Adidas boost material should stay bouncy longer, however the outer sole has come apart on the ones I've owned so far that I can't take advantage of it.
1. Accumulate a dozen shoes you don't really like or ever use, trying to find love. 2. Find the ones you love. 3. Run in the ones you love until they fall apart. 4. Use duct tape until the duct tape falls apart. 5. Throw away shoes bought in #1 above. 6. Begin serial purchases of ones you love. 7. Manufacturer announces they are discontinuing the ones you love. Scour the internet universe for ones you love that may yet exist in your size. 8. After universe collapses, reluctantly purchase new version of of the ones you love, holding your breath......
I learned recently that swapping shoes daily if you're a daily runner is important to allow the foam to decompress fully between runs. I've only recently started buying clearance shoes so I can have multiple pairs/brands going. I'm prone to injury, so whatever helps!
Well, I started running 40 years ago. I passed the 100km mark this past Christmas and, believe it or not, I did the last 20,000km in one pair of shoes that I still run in. New Balance. I contacted them and sent them my story and a picture of the shoes a few months ago. I will be running in them today. They are not pretty but they are years of memories. Let me know if you would like me to post a picture anywhere.
I would bet that New Balance doesn't want your story to get out. Can you imagine if everyone put in so many miles when they continue to preach that your shoe is dead after 500km?
I race in the same shoes I do my speedwork in. Those shoes I am swapping out around the 300 mile mark. But my everyday mileage shoes I am usually comfortable around that 500 mile range.
I’m about to start my 5th pair this year at 800miles road running. It’s always the heels, I heel strike but it doesn’t hurt me to do my feet are fine, but the outer heels just wear immediately
Got my first pair of Pegasus 35 to 1300ish km and directly bought 2 more pairs they hold up really well... my epic react startet faling appart at like 800km
I have recently returned to running after an 11 year hiatus. My average day is 5-7 miles, but have gone 15 miles on my long day. I’m running in VibranFivefingers., and I love ‘em. So far I have 218 miles in 43 days.
What an interesting Video, the Garmin app seems to set a max mileage on the shoe when you enter what type of shoe you run in - not sure where they get those numbers from. But the joy and excitement when you do buy a new pair of shoes is always great (and kind of motivates you a little😁). On the other hand parting with a beloved pair that are way past their ability to provide comfort is a sad moment in any runners life 😭
I have been loyal to the Skechers Gorun series of shoes for over 6 years now. My latest pair was the GOMEB Speed 3. I bought them in December of last year. I ran a total of 2,042 miles on those shoes. I had a hole in the right front that developed after about 1400 miles. I patched it up by using a piece of a sole from an old pair of Nikes I had from years ago and placing an insole over it inside the shoe. I just love how light weight those shoes felt. I tend to not like overly cushioned shoes. I prefer neutral shoes. I tried a pair of Altra Duos this past July that I ordered. They felt too big and so I went back to my worn down GOMEB Speed 3's. I then bought a pair of Nike downshifter (I think that is the model) but I quickly returned them after taking them out for 2 miles and getting bad foot cramps. I finally bought a pair of Skechers Horizon's and another pair of Skechers Pure just yesterday. So far I have put 9 1/2 miles on the Horizons and they feel a bit overly cushioned for my liking but I do feel a bit of relief on my right knee that has been acting up. Let's see if I can get these pairs to last over 2,000 miles. What can I say. I like to save money and get my money's worth out of running shoes.
One little trick. If you couldn’t drive your thumb through the midsole (bottom out) when it was new and then you can, that can indicate some effectiveness has been lost. Tread doesn’t tell you anything about the midsole. Of course the runner and the shoe matter. My xc team used to wear nike air max and air max triax (half the cost). We would find that the cheaper triax lasted around 300 miles while we could eak out 500 with the max. It actually ended up being cheaper in the long run to buy the more expensive shoe. Nike say react foam last 20% longer so that should mean 600 miles. But if you don’t ‘need’ shoes none of this matters.
Hi everybody! I’m a college runner and I have put almost 1200 miles in my brooks adrenaline gts 22 and it all depends on the surface that you are running on and your running form. If you are running on grass/trails they will last forever. But the second you put those suckers on pavement it will eat through them like nothing! So take this with a grain of salt and use YOUR BEST JUDGEMENT. Aka, look at the bottom of the shoes, if the outsole is bare then get rid of the shoes or change them out if budget isn’t an issue. If it is, and your foot isn’t hurting than running a little further isn’t going to hurt (no pun intended)
Love the videos. The Run Experience vids have been great inspiration in influencing me to run my first marathon at age 40 and to vlog about it. Plz keep up the content!
Makes sense. Manufacturers can give you a ballpark estimate, but the reality is, we all have different weights, run on different surfaces, have different foot strikes and running forms, and shoes are all built differently. So you gotta just check your shoe look at the wear patterns yourself.
I switched out a pair of Altra and a pair of Hoka all summer in Texas training for a 50k and I believe changing made me much stronger. Plus it gave time for my shoes to dry out since I was running six days a week.
Had the same feeling, and now it is starting to get colder I'm taking them inside. And also in the summer they're in the sun for a couple of hours, at the frontdoor, and it got me thinking. Taking them in from now on!
If you don't wear a shoe for stability then you can wear a shoe until it basically falls apart. I wear the Brooks Pure series shoe which is kind of semi-minimal with not much cushion. I get a standard 1500 miles and then only replace because the upper rips out on the pinky toe side.
Depends on the shoe. I laughed at the Ultraboost comment. With mine I get 1000km in them easy (625miles). Nothing comes close. Other shoes like Kinvaras I get 400-500km (320miles) before the midsole is too compressed. For me the midsole is the key. The distance I get in them is higher now that I am lighter and more midfoot than rear. Rotation is key, but I don't really get much extra mileage out of them..it is more for if they get wet, different types of work out etc.. cyclists have different types of bikes for different types of cycling. skiers have different types of skis for different types of skiing. etc.. it kinda makes sense to have different running shoes for different types of running. The key things is that shoe rotation doesn't cost more.. (track your mileage on strava).. at least the same mileage per shoe
I've worn through a pair of new runners in 3 days of hiking. Quality of foam and consecutive hours of use make a huge difference. A cheaper shoe will slough away after a few hours when your feet are getting really hot. Apparently 3 days of that on rough terrain and your bare feat will be touching the ground.
Have not paid attention to the milage but I rotate a lot. Essentially I've got 3 different types of Altras (from trail to pavement), a pair of Xero shoes and believe it or not I also run in a pair of very inexpensive speedo watersheos (very minimalist). Definitely the forefoot is where they wear out first.
This is such a first-world problem, absolutely envious of all the people changing shoes at 200 to 300 miles. By that standard, I'd switch shoes once every two to three months, which makes this mileage simply unaffordable for people like me. I can afford one pair of good running shoes a year, so I almost always put at least 1,500 kilometers into a pair before I switch.
What about Vibram Five Fingers? They don't have any cushioning that can be damaged so I think you can use them until they have holes, I personally do it, one of my pairs alredy has more than a thousand miles.
Totally, i own one with 8mm and another with 4mm sole (V-Alpha) they usualy last until a hole forms (2000km-3000km), no change in any aspect until then, they are the best shoes, period. Next. barefoot, super techonological sole with regeneration and adaption.
I recently retired my ASICS Kayanos 26 at approx 340 miles (540 kms). I weight 177 pounds (80kgs). 95% of the running was done on un-paved park paths. Total cost: US$0.55 per mile (purchased in Australia).
I run my shoes to destruction. Not sure if that's good for me but a beat down shoe feels better than the shoes within their recommended lifespan. I run 60 km per week but I have 3 pairs of dedicated running shoes. My most comfortable only gets used for full marathons and the other 2 pairs I switch out when one gets soaked in the rain as I prefer running in the rain. My shoes last me around 2 or 3 years before they fall apart and I toss them in the garbage bin.
Thanks for this. I'd think the body mass of the runner vs type of shoes for that mass matters as well as past injuries. For me I go almost daily on different terrains alternating between running and brisk walking and rotate between 2 pairs for part asphalt part trail surfaces and a third pair strictly for technical trails which I seldom use. I'd say Asics has pretty good high abrasion rubber that lasts beyond the miles I put into other brands. Maybe they're made for my build, mass, feet shape and running style? My husband swears by Brooks idk why, I've had a couple but meh about them. My current favorite is the Gel Kinsei Blast, excellent support yet not too firm and not too plush. I also don't wear shoes out completely, sell them when the cushioning starts to compress much less and the outsoles have around 50-60% wear. You'd be surprised how well they get snapped up in the resale market better than throwing them away.
Running Shoe Companies and stores: 250-300 miles My Broke Ass: 600-800 miles. If they don't last that long I'll find a new brand. Shoes are expensive. I've had altra road shoes with 6-7 hundred miles on them but I can't see to get their trails shoes to last 300 miles.
How many miles is completely up to you. As long as your aren't experiencing any problems then it really doesn't matter how many miles they have on them. I run in my shoes until the uppers fall apart. My Hoka Challenger ATRs are 3/8" into the midsole and I am a mid foot striker. It's irrelevant as long as you are fine.
If you are light weight, shoes can last 600 miles. If you are heavy, maybe just 200 miles. On average 400 miles. For every year since the date of manufacture (or the time you bought the shoes brand new) add 100 miles. If your shoes are already 3 years old, you probably can run around 100 miles more before they start falling apart.
I check at 100 miles, then 250 miles to see how many miles I have left. Hokas rarely last more than 150 miles, the original Beacon I stopped using after 170 miles. I weigh 150 pounds and wear out my shoes on the outer corner of the heel and the ball of the foot. I think its better to quit a shoe early to avoid injury. That said-I got more than 500 miles from the early Pegs, the Adidas Supernovas, but my all time favourites Saucony Ride 4's would last 400 miles easy. I bought a lot of this model.
I’m a pretty efficient runner and generally run in barefoot running shoes. My normal running shoes are Nike and I’ll get at least 2k kilometres (1,200 miles) per shoe. I used to get less from them, but I also used to be a pronating heel-striker. Not anymore and now more k’s per shoe.
So appreciate this video and the starting running shoe video I’m new on her and hoping to stick to this I use to be the fastest kid when I was younger loved to run then drugs happened and life too and now I need to loose weight BAD!
I have a pair of road running shoes that work really welll for me in races because of the great cushioning (Im 73) so I save them only for race use. I have a another pair to train in and a third pair for the gym that was my training shoe.
I've got half a dozen shoes on the go at the moment - though mainly use just three. Those three are very different, two done 950 miles; one a road shoe which I've noticed recently are hammered, the second trail shoes which have taking some beating on gnarly trails and fells where the uppers have gone more than the soles which are only now just losing tread, and another pair of faster trail shoes which after 600 miles are losing grip. Frankly though, the cost of running shoes has also made me keep hold of them longer than I probably ought to do.
Most miles i put on a shoe before the foam started to lose its original feel was a par of Nike Epic react. I am about 150 lbs and at the 600 km mark, I started to notice a significant change. Usually get anywhere betwem 350-400km out of most shoes before the cushioning starts to lose its original feel.
Retail run specialty shop guy for 13 years.... It often depends on how efficient the runner runs. I can see a shoe last 200 miles on one runner last 600 on another. If you are hard on your shoes you are probably hard on your body. The shoes become a buffer and should be replaced sooner in those cases. However, there are sooooo many variables. I have literally seen a runner put over 1000+ miles on a shoe and not even care that they have worn it through the foam (I could stick my finger through the sole! Replaced because his socks started getting holes.). Other runners say the cushion and support is gone, yet the shoe still looks new. We are an "experiment of one."
I have a pair of Merrel Barefoot which are just wearing out at an estimated 3000 miles. For a cushioned street shoe I have had a couple of Brooks models which I noticed losing feel around 6-800 miles, and ran another 2-300 before tread went.
Just a comment. The guy in the running shop was indicating patches on a shoe where it might wear thinner from an uneven gait. But the camera was on his face the whole time and you couldn't see what he was saying. An experienced runner might not need to see but if one is trying to learn about pronating for example, one cannot see what to look for.
If I have a shoe I don't like can't wait till I hit 275, if I love it like Kinvara I push it. Now barefoot shoes have no cushion so they last longer, five fingers or vaper gloves 700-800.
I would wear out tread at about 200 miles when I was a new, super heavy runner with bad form. Now I don't wear the tread much at all. Somewhere in between 500 - 600 miles the foam wears out and my calves tell me that the shoes are done
@@jstew10 Well... No. That's why I included the range of 500-600 miles. 😆 The Altras and Hokas make it to around 600 miles and the New Balances barely make it to 500. I don't have tread issues with any of them. The foam compacts over time.
@@socialseahawksfan9325 it's truly bizarre responding to a conversation from years ago but I'll try to help you make sense of it! What I was saying was that I'd wear out the tread pretty quickly as a new runner. This was due to bad form - heel striking, dragging my feet when tired... You know new runner style bad form. I know you're with me so far. So eventually my form improved and the wear on my tread became negligible! The shoes still wear out though. I weigh about 195 and run about 50 miles a week. Usually around 500-600 miles into the shoe, the foam in the mid foot (where I land now) starts to permanently compress. As this happens, my calves start to compensate (this makes them sore) and that's how I know it's time to get new shoes. Plus you can see the foam start to sag so there's that too. So to wrap this up, I used to replace shoes due to worn tread but now I replace them due to permanently compressed foam! Cool beans. Have a wonderful evening!!
I use brooks beast. I hope to get 250 to 300 miles out of a pair. If i go longer plantar fasciitis starts to set on. Of course I'm 290lbs running 4 to 5 miles a day. I'm certain my weight is a huge factor
I generally rotate a lot of shoes......I don’t just have 1 pair of shoes for running.....I have a few!😅...... I have trainers, speed work, and shoes for looooong runs...also I look for deals on the shoes I want very very rarely do I pay full retail price.
The foam held up longer than the sock liner which “cracked” or ripped in the back at the top of the heel. Had to get new shoes so I wouldn’t get blisters on the backs of my heels. 230 miles.
This is from site: www.nike.com/renew-run Innovative Cushioning The Nike Renew Run features Nike Lunarlon cushioning that uses a soft, responsive foam to absorb shock and reduce impact. It’s combined with a high-density Phylon foam carrier resulting in stability, support, and a soft landing every time your foot hits the pavement. Built for the Everyday Runner Nike’s Product Creation team obsessed over every detail of the shoe in order to meet the needs of the everyday runner. As Footwear Developer Ashlie Johnson says, “We worked hand in hand to create the shoe together. From stitches per inch to foam composition to toe-box material, we obsessed every single part and how it’s built.” Plus, we had runners log more than 9,000 miles in the shoe during product testing-that’s equivalent to 343 marathons. Good shoe but terrible back that make blisters after 1.5 km!! Point is that cushion can last 2 years. And rubber just 3 months or more.
I have over 2500 miles on a pair of my Nike Vomeros! They are literally the Toyota of running shoes lol. I’ll run between 60-90 miles a week usually and have had this pair for over 2 years now! Really depends on the shoe b/c I’ve had Pegasus that fell apart after 5-6 weeks of the same work load. I run mainly on the roads too.
Nice to listen, been using a vomero 14 for 6 months now in rotation, they are probably in around 100km and I was worried about their durability, since I see some worn out on the outsole, on the outer s of it
On a another angle, how long should you keep a pair of running shoes if you don’t regularly run or use them infrequently? Like less than 100 miles but two years old. I’ve heard shoes lose cushioning after some time.
Good video but next time, if someone is pointing to specific areas on the sole of the shoe for goodness sake turn the camera on that. It’s very frustrating not to be able to see that when the interviewee is explaining something.
Do the shoes bounce start degrading as soon as their made or as soon as you 1st use them or is it not like that & it simply deteriorates during each use?
Boost doesn't seem to break down. I expect my adidas uppers and Continental rubber outsoles to wear out before the Boost midsole is shot. But some EVA midsoles seem to have a sweet spot between breaking in and wearing out. My Atreyu standard and adidas SL20 Lightstrike midsoles have about 50 miles in them and are developing compression wrinkles. I'd guesstimate each will be good for about 200-300 miles before they lose that optimal road feel. Under Armour Hovr seems to be somewhere between Boost and Lightstrike. No signs of compression wrinkles in the midsoles. They feel great after a short break in of 10 miles. The uppers are durable but the SL20 outsoles may wear down to the midsoles after about 300-500 miles at the current rate of wear. The maker of Atreyu suggests replacing the shoe around 250 miles to retain that optimal feel, and there's no outsole, just some shallow tread on the primary sole which offers some wear indication.
What about age instead of mileage? I have several pairs of racing flats that probably have 75 miles on them as they don't get used much but are a year old.
I average around 500 miles but ran 1,000 miles with my hoka C5 spilt between road and treadmill .. I had some sore leg issues after so likely too much miles. Will target 500-600 with current hoka C6.
I thing I have 20 pairs of shoes right now. My oldest is a pair of Adidas Canada tr7 which is about 3 1/2 years old and the outsole is still in a very good condition(with about 300 km). All the other pairs are no more then 1 1/2 years old and their milage is around 100-150 km
My legs become sensitive when there 's about 800 km in them at the beginning of a running and I have to focus more to maintain technique, but basically I'm fine to get a new pair at 900.
500 miles? That's so little mileage. In South Africa the rule of thumb we use is 1000kms, 625 miles. Personally I get to 1500 kms easily which is close to 1000 miles.
Learn how to run and you're shoes might last you an extra hundred or so miles. Also, as Nate explained in a previous video, having a less cushioned shoe in the mix will help train your intrinsic foot and leg muscles rather than just letting the dominant muscles be worked. Running in a pair of 5fingers on the road is not ideal, especially for the westernized person that most likely did not grow up barefoot in their youth. However, if you start by walking, and build it up...you can run in a minimalist shoe on the road. Takes time, but also might not be ideal due to the impact on your bones from the unnatural road surface. Could go on....think about it
Interesting video. I run about 35 miles a week but I’m a heavy runner. 5ft 7" and 82kg weight which will stubbornly not go away. 😂 Anyway I have two pairs of ASICS Cumulus and testing our a pair of Rincon’s. The Cumulus new are very bouncy and I love them. However I have noticed that after about 100 miles the bouncy qualities are about 80% gone and although they still allow me to run comfortably they are not as bouncy. Which is fair enough. The Rincon’s I’ve only just started running in. They are interesting. I don’t find them as bouncy but it almost like running on a mattress because I can feel myself sinking into the foam. Is this better? Not 100% sure at the moment. I’ve noticed that the foam on the ASICS have both developed lines and grain, although the rubber sole still looks good.
Hey I need help, so I have VERY bad asthma and I’m trying to run longer and faster because I have to run a mile everyday at school. I have good form but breathing is really hard because I need more air intake, what do I do?
I don't know if you got an answer, but I've got exercise induced asthma. I almost pass out at the end of every race. What helps me keep going (besides my inhaler 30 minutes before I start exercising) is counting breaths to footsteps. Try different numbers to see what feels best, but I like 4 steps in, 3 steps out to start, then 3 in 2 out when I need to. They say keeping it at an odd number is helpful so you're not always exhaling on the same leg. Good luck!
700-750km is the maximum "mileage" that I keep my running shoes for their principal purpose, running, even if their cosmetic condition is mint, especially the upper!
Nothing groundbreaking here... To really get a more concrete number, you'd have to look at each shoe model individually, and, even then, there'll be differences between individual runners, though not nearly as much as there would be in a generalized peek like was done here (and, to be fair, pretty much everywhere else pondering this same question). Doing "research" like this, where you are looking at a general cross-section across all shoes and people, you're never getting any information more than the typical worthless retread answer of the "300 to 500 miles.," Independent of the shoe, a person's gait matters, how he strikes matters, his weight matters, the surfaces/terrains matter, weather matters. Solely dependent on the shoes, outsole wear (generally, harder rubber compounds tending to last longer, often significantly) matters, midsole cushioning longevity (retention of efficacy of impact protection properties) matters, and, to a lesser degree, durability of the upper matters. For midsole longevity, there is a huge difference between, say, ETPU vs. EVA. Flaccid BOOST, as used in the Ultraboost, e.g., is really unusable for running, as it just compresses too much, bottoming out at each foot strike (if you're a forefoot striker and non-flyweight) -- never mind the absurdly stretchy, dangerously unstable upper; however, firmer ETPUs, like EVERUN, e.g., or the firmer compounds used in adidas' basketball shoes, e.g., will last many times the effective lives of EVA midsoles (easily 1,000+ miles, if outsole held up).
I have an overweight (obese) friend who bitch about every shoe brand because all of them tore after few miles. I had several brand of the shoes she got and only worn out after 400+~500 mile. I'm pretty sure weight is the problem. She shut me off when I brought up the possibility oh well.
Running form definitely makes a difference. When I first started running a couple years ago I was over striding at 230 lbs and tore through some Brooks Ghost in 200 miles. All that breaking stress on the front of the shoe demolished the tread and cushion. Now with improved form and at 190 lbs I have a pair of Hoka Napali with much less rubber at over 300 miles. I did recently change how I use them, now for shorter 4-6 mile efforts as they don't quite give me enough comfort for my 10+ mile runs any longer. Rotating shoes is great and also has allowed me as a newer runner to buy clearance shoes at $50-70 to try different types of shoes and not feel like I'm "locked" into a shoe I don't enjoy as much.
Right on Barry!
Also, don't forget your work shoes too. A few years ago I was getting shin splints, then I realized my work shoes were over two years old, guess what got new work shoes within a week the shin splints went away.
I've been using Ghost 11 since January, and it has almost 600 miles in it. Normally some other running experts will say the ideal mileage to change the shoes is about 500 but I'm on a budget so I think it's okay to keep it for some extra 100 miles, the out soles is a bit worn out but nothing too much to damage the EVA midsole. A proper running form really can save your money lol
I have used shoes for hundreds of miles, but that was all before they got to the $160 standard (to wit... the ASICS Nimbus back in the mid-90s lasted FOREVER). Now, I find that my shoes are "deflated" and tired at roughly 100-150 (to wit... I got 78 miles out of my Hoka Rincon before they were shot). Scheduled obsolescence has crept into this industry.
That is interesting to think about....
From what I understand the Adidas boost material should stay bouncy longer, however the outer sole has come apart on the ones I've owned so far that I can't take advantage of it.
Hoka Mach 4 also burn away to fast . 1080v11 last 600 to 700 but novablast mk1's go way over 1000 no problems ( I'm 88kg)
1. Accumulate a dozen shoes you don't really like or ever use, trying to find love. 2. Find the ones you love. 3. Run in the ones you love until they fall apart. 4. Use duct tape until the duct tape falls apart. 5. Throw away shoes bought in #1 above. 6. Begin serial purchases of ones you love. 7. Manufacturer announces they are discontinuing the ones you love. Scour the internet universe for ones you love that may yet exist in your size. 8. After universe collapses, reluctantly purchase new version of of the ones you love, holding your breath......
Why do they continually need to update :( lol
@@magee26 The sheep need to be sheared every now and then.
I learned recently that swapping shoes daily if you're a daily runner is important to allow the foam to decompress fully between runs. I've only recently started buying clearance shoes so I can have multiple pairs/brands going. I'm prone to injury, so whatever helps!
Well, I started running 40 years ago. I passed the 100km mark this past Christmas and, believe it or not, I did the last 20,000km in one pair of shoes that I still run in. New Balance. I contacted them and sent them my story and a picture of the shoes a few months ago. I will be running in them today. They are not pretty but they are years of memories. Let me know if you would like me to post a picture anywhere.
Gee my friend definitely yes! I would love to see the picture of this warrior after more than 20 thousand km? That's really crazy
@@danilofratangelo3784
Thank you. Do you have an email that I could send the photo to? I can't seem to paste it here. James
@@jm76464 danilofratangelo@gmail.com
Went for a run in them yesterday. I tried to send a picture. Hopefully it gets to you.
I would bet that New Balance doesn't want your story to get out. Can you imagine if everyone put in so many miles when they continue to preach that your shoe is dead after 500km?
I race in the same shoes I do my speedwork in. Those shoes I am swapping out around the 300 mile mark. But my everyday mileage shoes I am usually comfortable around that 500 mile range.
I’m about to start my 5th pair this year at 800miles road running. It’s always the heels, I heel strike but it doesn’t hurt me to do my feet are fine, but the outer heels just wear immediately
Got my first pair of Pegasus 35 to 1300ish km and directly bought 2 more pairs they hold up really well... my epic react startet faling appart at like 800km
I have recently returned to running after an 11 year hiatus. My average day is 5-7 miles, but have gone 15 miles on my long day. I’m running in VibranFivefingers., and I love ‘em. So far I have 218 miles in 43 days.
What an interesting Video, the Garmin app seems to set a max mileage on the shoe when you enter what type of shoe you run in - not sure where they get those numbers from. But the joy and excitement when you do buy a new pair of shoes is always great (and kind of motivates you a little😁). On the other hand parting with a beloved pair that are way past their ability to provide comfort is a sad moment in any runners life 😭
I get rid of my shoes when my knee starts hurting. By this time the right part of the heel is almost completely gone.
I have been loyal to the Skechers Gorun series of shoes for over 6 years now. My latest pair was the GOMEB Speed 3. I bought them in December of last year. I ran a total of 2,042 miles on those shoes. I had a hole in the right front that developed after about 1400 miles. I patched it up by using a piece of a sole from an old pair of Nikes I had from years ago and placing an insole over it inside the shoe. I just love how light weight those shoes felt. I tend to not like overly cushioned shoes. I prefer neutral shoes. I tried a pair of Altra Duos this past July that I ordered. They felt too big and so I went back to my worn down GOMEB Speed 3's. I then bought a pair of Nike downshifter (I think that is the model) but I quickly returned them after taking them out for 2 miles and getting bad foot cramps. I finally bought a pair of Skechers Horizon's and another pair of Skechers Pure just yesterday. So far I have put 9 1/2 miles on the Horizons and they feel a bit overly cushioned for my liking but I do feel a bit of relief on my right knee that has been acting up. Let's see if I can get these pairs to last over 2,000 miles. What can I say. I like to save money and get my money's worth out of running shoes.
WOW!
One little trick. If you couldn’t drive your thumb through the midsole (bottom out) when it was new and then you can, that can indicate some effectiveness has been lost. Tread doesn’t tell you anything about the midsole.
Of course the runner and the shoe matter. My xc team used to wear nike air max and air max triax (half the cost). We would find that the cheaper triax lasted around 300 miles while we could eak out 500 with the max. It actually ended up being cheaper in the long run to buy the more expensive shoe. Nike say react foam last 20% longer so that should mean 600 miles.
But if you don’t ‘need’ shoes none of this matters.
Hi everybody! I’m a college runner and I have put almost 1200 miles in my brooks adrenaline gts 22 and it all depends on the surface that you are running on and your running form. If you are running on grass/trails they will last forever. But the second you put those suckers on pavement it will eat through them like nothing! So take this with a grain of salt and use YOUR BEST JUDGEMENT. Aka, look at the bottom of the shoes, if the outsole is bare then get rid of the shoes or change them out if budget isn’t an issue. If it is, and your foot isn’t hurting than running a little further isn’t going to hurt (no pun intended)
Love the videos. The Run Experience vids have been great inspiration in influencing me to run my first marathon at age 40 and to vlog about it. Plz keep up the content!
Makes sense. Manufacturers can give you a ballpark estimate, but the reality is, we all have different weights, run on different surfaces, have different foot strikes and running forms, and shoes are all built differently. So you gotta just check your shoe look at the wear patterns yourself.
Even if you heard it before, know the information and/or practice shoe rotation, it is still nice to hear it again.
I GPS every mile I run , and currently have 1150 miles on my novablast mk1's . They are still great 😁🏃♂️🏃♂️
Thanks for that. I really wanted and independent answer to that question.
Great video. I love the content on your channel. Keep up the good work! 👍🏃
I switched out a pair of Altra and a pair of Hoka all summer in Texas training for a 50k and I believe changing made me much stronger. Plus it gave time for my shoes to dry out since I was running six days a week.
Sometimes I store my shoes outside the front door. I wonder if constant outdoor temperature swings breaks down the cushioning faster?
that's a good question!
Had the same feeling, and now it is starting to get colder I'm taking them inside.
And also in the summer they're in the sun for a couple of hours, at the frontdoor, and it got me thinking. Taking them in from now on!
Yeah, the UV from being left ouside will degrade the material more quickly.
If you don't wear a shoe for stability then you can wear a shoe until it basically falls apart. I wear the Brooks Pure series shoe which is kind of semi-minimal with not much cushion. I get a standard 1500 miles and then only replace because the upper rips out on the pinky toe side.
Depends on the shoe. I laughed at the Ultraboost comment. With mine I get 1000km in them easy (625miles). Nothing comes close. Other shoes like Kinvaras I get 400-500km (320miles) before the midsole is too compressed. For me the midsole is the key. The distance I get in them is higher now that I am lighter and more midfoot than rear. Rotation is key, but I don't really get much extra mileage out of them..it is more for if they get wet, different types of work out etc.. cyclists have different types of bikes for different types of cycling. skiers have different types of skis for different types of skiing. etc.. it kinda makes sense to have different running shoes for different types of running. The key things is that shoe rotation doesn't cost more.. (track your mileage on strava).. at least the same mileage per shoe
I've worn through a pair of new runners in 3 days of hiking. Quality of foam and consecutive hours of use make a huge difference. A cheaper shoe will slough away after a few hours when your feet are getting really hot. Apparently 3 days of that on rough terrain and your bare feat will be touching the ground.
Price per mile don't change by rotating shoes. Neither average shopping frequency (after initial slope of buying)
Have not paid attention to the milage but I rotate a lot.
Essentially I've got 3 different types of Altras (from trail to pavement), a pair of Xero shoes and believe it or not I also run in a pair of very inexpensive speedo watersheos (very minimalist).
Definitely the forefoot is where they wear out first.
Easy with a watch tracker just link it to the runs & let's me know when I pass 500 miles
This is such a first-world problem, absolutely envious of all the people changing shoes at 200 to 300 miles. By that standard, I'd switch shoes once every two to three months, which makes this mileage simply unaffordable for people like me. I can afford one pair of good running shoes a year, so I almost always put at least 1,500 kilometers into a pair before I switch.
What about Vibram Five Fingers? They don't have any cushioning that can be damaged so I think you can use them until they have holes, I personally do it, one of my pairs alredy has more than a thousand miles.
You are right! I'm approaching 1000 kilometers with my KSO EVO's and they are almost like new! Definitely no change in cushioning! :-)
Totally, i own one with 8mm and another with 4mm sole (V-Alpha) they usualy last until a hole forms (2000km-3000km), no change in any aspect until then, they are the best shoes, period. Next. barefoot, super techonological sole with regeneration and adaption.
it seems to be the "less" shoe there is underneath you, the longer you can run in them without them being a problem...
I recently retired my ASICS Kayanos 26 at approx 340 miles (540 kms). I weight 177 pounds (80kgs). 95% of the running was done on un-paved park paths. Total cost: US$0.55 per mile (purchased in Australia).
If you run 50km per week, that would last you only 3 months of wear
I run my shoes to destruction. Not sure if that's good for me but a beat down shoe feels better than the shoes within their recommended lifespan. I run 60 km per week but I have 3 pairs of dedicated running shoes. My most comfortable only gets used for full marathons and the other 2 pairs I switch out when one gets soaked in the rain as I prefer running in the rain. My shoes last me around 2 or 3 years before they fall apart and I toss them in the garbage bin.
Thanks for this. I'd think the body mass of the runner vs type of shoes for that mass matters as well as past injuries. For me I go almost daily on different terrains alternating between running and brisk walking and rotate between 2 pairs for part asphalt part trail surfaces and a third pair strictly for technical trails which I seldom use. I'd say Asics has pretty good high abrasion rubber that lasts beyond the miles I put into other brands. Maybe they're made for my build, mass, feet shape and running style? My husband swears by Brooks idk why, I've had a couple but meh about them. My current favorite is the Gel Kinsei Blast, excellent support yet not too firm and not too plush. I also don't wear shoes out completely, sell them when the cushioning starts to compress much less and the outsoles have around 50-60% wear. You'd be surprised how well they get snapped up in the resale market better than throwing them away.
Great conversation
Running Shoe Companies and stores: 250-300 miles
My Broke Ass: 600-800 miles. If they don't last that long I'll find a new brand. Shoes are expensive.
I've had altra road shoes with 6-7 hundred miles on them but I can't see to get their trails shoes to last 300 miles.
How many miles is completely up to you. As long as your aren't experiencing any problems then it really doesn't matter how many miles they have on them. I run in my shoes until the uppers fall apart. My Hoka Challenger ATRs are 3/8" into the midsole and I am a mid foot striker. It's irrelevant as long as you are fine.
Spot on 👍👍
If you are light weight, shoes can last 600 miles. If you are heavy, maybe just 200 miles. On average 400 miles. For every year since the date of manufacture (or the time you bought the shoes brand new) add 100 miles. If your shoes are already 3 years old, you probably can run around 100 miles more before they start falling apart.
I check at 100 miles, then 250 miles to see how many miles I have left. Hokas rarely last more than 150 miles, the original Beacon I stopped using after 170 miles. I weigh 150 pounds and wear out my shoes on the outer corner of the heel and the ball of the foot. I think its better to quit a shoe early to avoid injury. That said-I got more than 500 miles from the early Pegs, the Adidas Supernovas, but my all time favourites Saucony Ride 4's would last 400 miles easy. I bought a lot of this model.
I’m a pretty efficient runner and generally run in barefoot running shoes. My normal running shoes are Nike and I’ll get at least 2k kilometres (1,200 miles) per shoe. I used to get less from them, but I also used to be a pronating heel-striker. Not anymore and now more k’s per shoe.
So appreciate this video and the starting running shoe video I’m new on her and hoping to stick to this I use to be the fastest kid when I was younger loved to run then drugs happened and life too and now I need to loose weight BAD!
I have a pair of road running shoes that work really welll for me in races because of the great cushioning (Im 73) so I save them only for race use. I have a another pair to train in and a third pair for the gym that was my training shoe.
Great video, thank you
Xero shoes with no foam, put around 300 miles on my current pair and they are basically brand new still.
I've got half a dozen shoes on the go at the moment - though mainly use just three. Those three are very different, two done 950 miles; one a road shoe which I've noticed recently are hammered, the second trail shoes which have taking some beating on gnarly trails and fells where the uppers have gone more than the soles which are only now just losing tread, and another pair of faster trail shoes which after 600 miles are losing grip.
Frankly though, the cost of running shoes has also made me keep hold of them longer than I probably ought to do.
Excellent advice! Rotation is the key!!
Most miles i put on a shoe before the foam started to lose its original feel was a par of Nike Epic react. I am about 150 lbs and at the 600 km mark, I started to notice a significant change. Usually get anywhere betwem 350-400km out of most shoes before the cushioning starts to lose its original feel.
Retail run specialty shop guy for 13 years.... It often depends on how efficient the runner runs. I can see a shoe last 200 miles on one runner last 600 on another. If you are hard on your shoes you are probably hard on your body. The shoes become a buffer and should be replaced sooner in those cases. However, there are sooooo many variables. I have literally seen a runner put over 1000+ miles on a shoe and not even care that they have worn it through the foam (I could stick my finger through the sole! Replaced because his socks started getting holes.). Other runners say the cushion and support is gone, yet the shoe still looks new. We are an "experiment of one."
Yep Brian that seems to be the case in terms of what we've come across!
I have a pair of Merrel Barefoot which are just wearing out at an estimated 3000 miles. For a cushioned street shoe I have had a couple of Brooks models which I noticed losing feel around 6-800 miles, and ran another 2-300 before tread went.
You must weigh 50 pounds...
Given the cost of a pair of shoes, does any one else find 500 miles pretty bad value?
Yes!
I also got some race spikes with about 40 miles and the foam is syarting to wear down
Just a comment. The guy in the running shop was indicating patches on a shoe where it might wear thinner from an uneven gait. But the camera was on his face the whole time and you couldn't see what he was saying. An experienced runner might not need to see but if one is trying to learn about pronating for example, one cannot see what to look for.
Great work as always!!
If I have a shoe I don't like can't wait till I hit 275, if I love it like Kinvara I push it. Now barefoot shoes have no cushion so they last longer, five fingers or vaper gloves 700-800.
I would wear out tread at about 200 miles when I was a new, super heavy runner with bad form. Now I don't wear the tread much at all. Somewhere in between 500 - 600 miles the foam wears out and my calves tell me that the shoes are done
Are you wearing the same type of shoe though?
@@jstew10 Well... No. That's why I included the range of 500-600 miles. 😆 The Altras and Hokas make it to around 600 miles and the New Balances barely make it to 500. I don't have tread issues with any of them. The foam compacts over time.
@@phil9034 that makes little sense, the only part of the shoe where friction would wear the shoe down is the tread...
@@socialseahawksfan9325 it's truly bizarre responding to a conversation from years ago but I'll try to help you make sense of it! What I was saying was that I'd wear out the tread pretty quickly as a new runner. This was due to bad form - heel striking, dragging my feet when tired... You know new runner style bad form. I know you're with me so far. So eventually my form improved and the wear on my tread became negligible! The shoes still wear out though. I weigh about 195 and run about 50 miles a week. Usually around 500-600 miles into the shoe, the foam in the mid foot (where I land now) starts to permanently compress. As this happens, my calves start to compensate (this makes them sore) and that's how I know it's time to get new shoes. Plus you can see the foam start to sag so there's that too. So to wrap this up, I used to replace shoes due to worn tread but now I replace them due to permanently compressed foam! Cool beans. Have a wonderful evening!!
If I replace the insole, can that add extra time until I need to get new shoes? Does the tread matter too much?
I use brooks beast. I hope to get 250 to 300 miles out of a pair. If i go longer plantar fasciitis starts to set on. Of course I'm 290lbs running 4 to 5 miles a day. I'm certain my weight is a huge factor
I generally rotate a lot of shoes......I don’t just have 1 pair of shoes for running.....I have a few!😅...... I have trainers, speed work, and shoes for looooong runs...also I look for deals on the shoes I want very very rarely do I pay full retail price.
The foam held up longer than the sock liner which “cracked” or ripped in the back at the top of the heel. Had to get new shoes so I wouldn’t get blisters on the backs of my heels. 230 miles.
wow great session Nate!
Being injury-prone, I would error on the side of caution. Better to waste $$$ on shoes vs medical bills.
This is from site: www.nike.com/renew-run
Innovative Cushioning
The Nike Renew Run features Nike Lunarlon cushioning that uses a soft, responsive foam to absorb shock and reduce impact. It’s combined with a high-density Phylon foam carrier resulting in stability, support, and a soft landing every time your foot hits the pavement.
Built for the Everyday Runner
Nike’s Product Creation team obsessed over every detail of the shoe in order to meet the needs of the everyday runner. As Footwear Developer Ashlie Johnson says, “We worked hand in hand to create the shoe together. From stitches per inch to foam composition to toe-box material, we obsessed every single part and how it’s built.” Plus, we had runners log more than 9,000 miles in the shoe during product testing-that’s equivalent to 343 marathons.
Good shoe but terrible back that make blisters after 1.5 km!!
Point is that cushion can last 2 years. And rubber just 3 months or more.
I have over 2500 miles on a pair of my Nike Vomeros! They are literally the Toyota of running shoes lol. I’ll run between 60-90 miles a week usually and have had this pair for over 2 years now! Really depends on the shoe b/c I’ve had Pegasus that fell apart after 5-6 weeks of the same work load. I run mainly on the roads too.
Nice to listen, been using a vomero 14 for 6 months now in rotation, they are probably in around 100km and I was worried about their durability, since I see some worn out on the outsole, on the outer s of it
They lasted 200 miles max for me at that point the tread on the outer heel and toes were almost gone.
My brother replaces every 200 miles. My Hyperion tempos currently have just under 500 miles
For me it's a budget thing. I get a new pair maybe once a year, maybe.
Great job Coach Nate!! 🏆🍾
I was hoping you could've included shoes with outstanding outsole life
On a another angle, how long should you keep a pair of running shoes if you don’t regularly run or use them infrequently? Like less than 100 miles but two years old. I’ve heard shoes lose cushioning after some time.
Good video but next time, if someone is pointing to specific areas on the sole of the shoe for goodness sake turn the camera on that. It’s very frustrating not to be able to see that when the interviewee is explaining something.
Very informative thanks....
Im on about 400 and the foam is getting pretty stiff
Wouldn't weight play a big role as well?
Yeah and form as well and the type of shoe really
Do the shoes bounce start degrading as soon as their made or as soon as you 1st use them or is it not like that & it simply deteriorates during each use?
Boost doesn't seem to break down. I expect my adidas uppers and Continental rubber outsoles to wear out before the Boost midsole is shot.
But some EVA midsoles seem to have a sweet spot between breaking in and wearing out. My Atreyu standard and adidas SL20 Lightstrike midsoles have about 50 miles in them and are developing compression wrinkles. I'd guesstimate each will be good for about 200-300 miles before they lose that optimal road feel.
Under Armour Hovr seems to be somewhere between Boost and Lightstrike. No signs of compression wrinkles in the midsoles. They feel great after a short break in of 10 miles. The uppers are durable but the SL20 outsoles may wear down to the midsoles after about 300-500 miles at the current rate of wear. The maker of Atreyu suggests replacing the shoe around 250 miles to retain that optimal feel, and there's no outsole, just some shallow tread on the primary sole which offers some wear indication.
What about age instead of mileage? I have several pairs of racing flats that probably have 75 miles on them as they don't get used much but are a year old.
this study might say more if you did a weight vs range people are getting out of their shoes.
I average around 500 miles but ran 1,000 miles with my hoka C5 spilt between road and treadmill .. I had some sore leg issues after so likely too much miles. Will target 500-600 with current hoka C6.
I thing I have 20 pairs of shoes right now. My oldest is a pair of Adidas Canada tr7 which is about 3 1/2 years old and the outsole is still in a very good condition(with about 300 km). All the other pairs are no more then 1 1/2 years old and their milage is around 100-150 km
Wow right on Chris!
Can't believe you didn't stop Elton John (6min37) and have a chat !
1200 plus miles on my EarthRunners and still no major wear on the sole.
My legs become sensitive when there 's about 800 km in them at the beginning of a running and I have to focus more to maintain technique, but basically I'm fine to get a new pair at 900.
I’m mad at my hoka challenger ATR 5s. 300 miles, foam is already shot, and the upper on the fabric is torn.
I have been using the same shoes for running, walking, gym, since the past.....5 years....they are still ok.
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0:28 did anyone else rewind to see if the pup was doin the Doo?
500 miles? That's so little mileage. In South Africa the rule of thumb we use is 1000kms, 625 miles. Personally I get to 1500 kms easily which is close to 1000 miles.
yesss, thank you for the km!
Learn how to run and you're shoes might last you an extra hundred or so miles. Also, as Nate explained in a previous video, having a less cushioned shoe in the mix will help train your intrinsic foot and leg muscles rather than just letting the dominant muscles be worked. Running in a pair of 5fingers on the road is not ideal, especially for the westernized person that most likely did not grow up barefoot in their youth. However, if you start by walking, and build it up...you can run in a minimalist shoe on the road. Takes time, but also might not be ideal due to the impact on your bones from the unnatural road surface. Could go on....think about it
Interesting video. I run about 35 miles a week but I’m a heavy runner. 5ft 7" and 82kg weight which will stubbornly not go away. 😂 Anyway I have two pairs of ASICS Cumulus and testing our a pair of Rincon’s. The Cumulus new are very bouncy and I love them. However I have noticed that after about 100 miles the bouncy qualities are about 80% gone and although they still allow me to run comfortably they are not as bouncy. Which is fair enough. The Rincon’s I’ve only just started running in. They are interesting. I don’t find them as bouncy but it almost like running on a mattress because I can feel myself sinking into the foam. Is this better? Not 100% sure at the moment. I’ve noticed that the foam on the ASICS have both developed lines and grain, although the rubber sole still looks good.
Like you I'm a heavier runner, had a similar experience with the Dynaflyte 2. Initially they were great but flattened out under 100 miles.
Thanks for that information!
Hey I need help, so I have VERY bad asthma and I’m trying to run longer and faster because I have to run a mile everyday at school. I have good form but breathing is really hard because I need more air intake, what do I do?
I don't know if you got an answer, but I've got exercise induced asthma. I almost pass out at the end of every race. What helps me keep going (besides my inhaler 30 minutes before I start exercising) is counting breaths to footsteps. Try different numbers to see what feels best, but I like 4 steps in, 3 steps out to start, then 3 in 2 out when I need to. They say keeping it at an odd number is helpful so you're not always exhaling on the same leg. Good luck!
Surprise you focus on the sole only, and not on how the foam survive.
I think after few years the smoothness is gone.
ask the puppy!
SAUCONY, 300KM ON THE TREAD, DONE 3 PAIRS, ALL ABOUT THE SAME
700-750km is the maximum "mileage" that I keep my running shoes for their principal purpose, running, even if their cosmetic condition is mint, especially the upper!
Nothing groundbreaking here... To really get a more concrete number, you'd have to look at each shoe model individually, and, even then, there'll be differences between individual runners, though not nearly as much as there would be in a generalized peek like was done here (and, to be fair, pretty much everywhere else pondering this same question). Doing "research" like this, where you are looking at a general cross-section across all shoes and people, you're never getting any information more than the typical worthless retread answer of the "300 to 500 miles.,"
Independent of the shoe, a person's gait matters, how he strikes matters, his weight matters, the surfaces/terrains matter, weather matters.
Solely dependent on the shoes, outsole wear (generally, harder rubber compounds tending to last longer, often significantly) matters, midsole cushioning longevity (retention of efficacy of impact protection properties) matters, and, to a lesser degree, durability of the upper matters. For midsole longevity, there is a huge difference between, say, ETPU vs. EVA. Flaccid BOOST, as used in the Ultraboost, e.g., is really unusable for running, as it just compresses too much, bottoming out at each foot strike (if you're a forefoot striker and non-flyweight) -- never mind the absurdly stretchy, dangerously unstable upper; however, firmer ETPUs, like EVERUN, e.g., or the firmer compounds used in adidas' basketball shoes, e.g., will last many times the effective lives of EVA midsoles (easily 1,000+ miles, if outsole held up).
I have an overweight (obese) friend who bitch about every shoe brand because all of them tore after few miles. I had several brand of the shoes she got and only worn out after 400+~500 mile. I'm pretty sure weight is the problem. She shut me off when I brought up the possibility oh well.
300 miles
10 years, Nike dart III...
For some reason my running shoes don't last much longer than 200 miles.
I just get new one every year and retire them after 10-13 years for running and scrap them after 20-26 years or turn to museum
Does anyone get their running shoes resoled ?