Real Life Snowpiercer - The Insane Giant Nazi Railway - Breitspurbahn
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Nothing was too big in scale or too implausible in execution for what the Fuhrer dreamt up, whatever the scheme that caught his feverish fancy. For a vast empire, you need a vast transport solution.
The Breitspurbahn, which translates from the German as broad-gauge railway, was one such mega infrastructure project. ‘Epic’ is the first word that comes to mind when thinking of the immense scale of what was to be a railway network that would criss-cross Europe and beyond.
Initial lines for the railway system were to be between the German cities of Hamburg, Berlin, Nuremberg, Munich and Linz.
Other, grander proposed routes were something of a lesson in European geography. For example, the East-West route would be between Rostov in Russia and Paris, and included stops in Kiev, Ukraine, Kraków in Poland and Berlin.
Or take the North-Southeast route, which would be between Hamburg and Istanbul, Turkey, taking in major European capitals such as Vienna, Budapest and Belgrade along the way.
Other routes included those between Dresden in eastern Germany and Rome and that between Munich and Madrid.
Even more exotic routes that were touted early on in the project included far-flung destinations such as India and Vladivostok in Russia’s Pacific Far East. With maybe even perhaps a direct route into alaska, canada and beyond.
One thing to note was what all routes had in common: the assumption that all destinations would be under the direct or proxy control of Nazi Germany.
For such a radical rethink of european bordersl, requires a radical rethink of train design.
There were no less than 41 different designs for the Breitspurbahn locomotive offered by companies involved in the project.
Classical steam locomotives, as well as gas turbine-electric, diesel-hydraulic and electric locomotives were all considered, with power outputs ranging from 15,300 to 24,700 horsepower.
It was finally decided that locomotives for passenger trains would be mainly electric and diesel-hydraulic-powered,
whilst locomotives used to transport freight would be primarily conventional steam-engined.
High-performance locomotives would be needed for passenger trains,
so that they could haul 8-axle double-decker carriages or coaches that would be 42 metres or 138 feet long, 6 metres or 19 feet 8 inches wide and 7 metres or 23 feet in height. Passenger carriages would have Dutch doors that featured retractable staircases.
Luxurious facilities and unique features would be a hallmark of the Breitspurbahn trains.
Proposed designs included carriages with large dining rooms,
There were no less than 41 different designs for the Breitspurbahn locomotive offered by companies involved in the project.
Classical steam locomotives, as well as gas turbine-electric, diesel-hydraulic and electric locomotives were all considered, with power outputs ranging from 15,300 to 24,700 horsepower.
It was finally decided that locomotives for passenger trains would be mainly electric and diesel-hydraulic-powered,
whilst locomotives used to transport freight would be primarily conventional steam-engined.
High-performance locomotives would be needed for passenger trains,
so that they could haul 8-axle double-decker carriages or coaches that would be 42 metres or 138 feet long, 6 metres or 19 feet 8 inches wide and 7 metres or 23 feet in height. Passenger carriages would have Dutch doors that featured retractable staircases.
Luxurious facilities and unique features would be a hallmark of the Breitspurbahn trains.
Proposed designs included carriages with large dining rooms, bars and lounges, as well as a promenade and observation deck.
Trains would further feature a 196-seat cinema, a barbershop, a sauna and even a swimming pool,
offering an array and type of facilities and luxury never seen before on any mass-passenger train.
The mail and baggage cars could transport up to eight motor cars and,
importantly for military convoys, included enough space for multiple 20 mm anti-aircraft guns, ammunition storage and gun crews.
It was even envisaged that a large ship could be hauled by the freight locomotive!
The overall dimensions and scale of the train were awe-inspiring: its total length would be about 500 metres or 1,640 feet, with a capacity of between 2,000 and 4,000 passengers. And all this would be achieved at impressive speeds of up to 250 kilometres or 150 miles per hour.
But to facilitate such a huge train, the tracks would need to be bigger still!
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ah yes Thomas the Tank Engine's bigger German cousin, Eric the Fascist Engine!
Always arrives exactly on time.
...or else.
"Eric was just following orders"
Frida: If my brother is a German, it's not mean that him is a fascist.
Guess Eric is ..... Claustrophobic?
😏
Nah, thats Gustav the Angry Railway Gun
Well, this is "If Snowpiercer is made by Germans, For Germans."
No, this is Supertrain!
Yup! Saw the design of the engine and thought “Snowpiercer” right away….😳🤣🤣👍
@@johnruschmeyer5769 I can hear the music right now...
Snowpiercer 1940s
with...or WITHOUT...
necessitating child sacrifice to maintain operation?
Man back in the 40s everything looked like a piece of art. Absolutely incredible.
because art inspires humans, then post ww2 certain people took over that dont want inspiration, rather endless consumption of products for profits and destruction of nations
inspiration is dangerous, so they made sure that beauty was supressed
@@tango976 who could those people be goyim?
@@tango976 why did Mr H fail⁉️
@@treystephens6166 yids
@@tango976 the yids? How did they win?
It was definitely a beautiful train, stylish, and even aerodynamic. it would be really cool if that design could be reintroduced today. only with running gear suitable for high speed rail travel. but rounding corners would be scary because of how tall it is. it would have to be somewhat top heavy? but with all the amenities that were mentioned. it could stir all new interest in travel by rail.
It's not art deco.
Yes is Art Deco you commie
The height wouldn't have been an issue for the original gauge.
Would you accept a maglev version of this train? Being maglev, the train hugs the track and can make up for the top heaviness of the design.
But it looks so easy to derail, then who knows how much destruction that could cause.
@@Packguardian_gacha8684 Derailing a train is something that seems a lot simpler than it actually is.
Wait so the mega train in Wolfenstein was inspired by reality!? Thats pretty cool, I always wondered what inspired it and I loved the extra wide carriages.
or they might have just thought of a giant train cos it's cool ... problem with a small train is it's hard to fit a decent level in it
It’s inspired by this project but it used the original 4m gauge concept than the later 3m gauge concept featured in this video because the 4m design allows even wider carriages
@@DarkShroom also somehow wide trains are kinda scifi now cause we had a wide train in Loki as well and that was also quite extravagant
Edit: oh man how could I forget my favourite wide train Snowpiercer! Both the movie and the TV series one. In the TV series it uses a 6m guage which is pretty wild
@@Peichen01 Ah that makes sense, especially considering it had one of the autmatons/robots in the train scene. Still pretty cool to see it was inspired by reality.
@@Peichen01 yeah fair enough
just saying wide trains are pretty standard in videogames .... try making a train at realistic sizes for an FPS..... it's too cramped
IRL you can walk around the seats easy, in a game it's too cluttered, you want to put the seats around the edges like an underground train
i would love to see a replica of this locmotive made and shown off in a museum. i know its huge but seeing it in person would really put it into persepctive of its sheer size
Somebody could put the 3D model shown in this video into a Vr headset so you could see it’s full size and scale
what program was used to make this train for the video?
@@coolertuep I didn't even think about that. A VR experience of walking around and or getting on this would also put it into scale and be a hell of alot cheaper than actually building one lol
@@liamturner6424 I personally think that VR will be the future for lots of areas related to history, like exhibits, archeology, reconstruction you name it.
@@timbackman5915 VR is certainly promising, but as it is currently, it's nothing like actually seeing things in person. So tourism-wise, it'd probably only be used for places that are either too dangerous or too fragile for conventional tourism to be possible. But the reconstruction point, a VR simulation of reconstructed landmarks would be good. Like seeing the pyramids of Giza, the colosseum of Rome, Pompeii, etc, all brought back to their prime. That would be brilliant.
Reminds me of the Combine trains in Half-Life 2, and also of something I actually dreamed about, in an actual literal dream. To be honest, this project sounds really cool.
If only they hadn't had such a horrendously evil vision for, basically, which people do or don't get to _live,_ and if only they hadn't had such inhumane rules of behaviour even for their favoured people.
I'm pretty sure that's the reason we are hearing the train horn from Half Life 2 in the animations.
Ocean liner on land!
But those are real. You’ve seen the nuclear powered land trains, right?
@@The_ZeroLine
Source or you're lying.
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6:29 ‘by railroad pioneer George Stepson’
I’m ngl that pronunciation of ‘Stephenson’ had me going back to make sure I actually heard it right because I genuinely didn’t believe I just heard what I heard
Pronounced Stevenson
He also pronounced grandiose as "grandose"
.... Even Some English Folk Find it Difficult to Spoke Good England Property.... OOOPS EVEN ME!... 😂🏴✌️ 5:08
Yep I went back to check I heard correctly as well
imagine getting your truck stuck on the rails then that thing obliterates every single atom belonging to the truck
This things weight on the wheels would probably split the atoms in your body and/or vehicle
I was on a 60 mph 12k ton 2 mile long freight train today (freight conductor job) and we woulda destroyed anyone if they were on a crossing or tried to beat us...
What railroad
@@alexander1485 The biggest mistake America made with rails aside from not investing in them better is never making it all grade separated. I mean we would consider a crossroad on a freeway to be unthinkable.
@@filanfyretracker we have lots of rail crossings here in the netherlands but they are extremely safe and have warning signs and signals and booms that close down. its very rare for accidents to happen. with how densely populated this country is i dont think we could avoid having crossings.
I always felt like the 3m wide gauge was probably the only good idea Hitler ever had. Too grandiouse to deploy in the middle of WWII, but the economies of scale (8 times more bulk freight per carriage if I remember correctly, with negligable increased rolling drag) makes this piece of infracture the king of logistics. Besides it was envisioned that it could transport oversized cargos like frigate or small destroyer hulls built in industries far from the coast. Imagine the potential in peacetime. Lots of infrastructure like small bridges or even modular houses could be built in factories and transported instead of built on-site, faster and cheaper. Add in modern railroad engineering and tech and you have the ultimate land transport infrastructure.
Soory, no. A four track normal gauge network is so much more flexible than two gigantic tracks (and much cheaper). And flexibility is essential, especially if you have passengers and freight on the same line.
@@TheZinmo that why we don't replace the entire system, we instead add a few in key areas
Good idea? It was monumental, and would appeal to his grandiose sensibilities, but had nothing to recommend it otherwise.
I first read about this in a two part article in Trains magazine decades ago. The author was a German railwayman on the German rail system. He was astonished by the notion but had never heard of it till he was told plans existed and began digging, He could'nt figure out what actual use it would have had, because there wasn't any.
There was zero economic justification for it. Rail traffic was unlikely to _ever_ reach a point of needing the capacity, and how would interchange between the huge main line routes and smaller feeder lines be handled? (You see examples of that issue historically in the US, as narrow gauge lines had to interchange with what became standard gauge. Narrow gauge was cheaper to build, and got used for things like roads serving mining and logging areas, but the cargo had to get onto standard gauge trains.)
The notion was purely Hitler thinking big and dreaming of a future Germany that would dominate all of Europe, with e3verything biggie sized to match his dreams. Look up the sort of architecture he envisioned for places like Berlin as another example. (Note that Hitler had dreams of being a painter and fine artist, but was deemed insufficiently talented and trained in architecture instead.)
But Germany was hardly the only place where standardization on gauges was a long and complicated process. Great Britain and Russia among others had similar issues. There is nothing like under construction planned major rail lines whose owners chose different gauges to produce grimly amusing episodes.
@@dennismccunney4462 You misunderstood the concept. This wasn't meant to replace the entire railway network in Europe, but to be a dedicated line between the biggest population and industrial hubs of Europe.
The idea behind them were to serve as "land ships" for the new German empire, like regular ships served for Britain.
And just like you had ships of various sizes, serving various purposes between various ports, so does this concept. You don't change the existing rail infrastructure in Europe, you just add this broad gauge one between the largest centers in Europe.
It was also to take in majority of airplane traffic as well - so the need for that capacity was certainly there, even from just passenger point.
Planes might be faster, but people in Europe loved and still love good trains. And having a luxury train like that taking you 250kmph between Paris and Kiev, for example, would probably always be full. As it also passes through several other huge cities along the way, without stopping at smaller regional stations along the way.
Disembarking from that large train to go on a regular one is not a problem - I don't know why would you think that. People do it today with all sorts of transportation, trains included. It is literally nothing new. You want to go from Paris to Bucharest - you sit on a train in Paris, disembark in Belgrade, and change to a regular train from Belgrade to Bucharest.
Also, unlike current trains where it is either passenger or goods, those big trains would do both at the same time - it's just that the goods would go at the end of the composition.
It is actually a very good design for what purpose it was planned. It is more economic than the current system and there is more than enough demand for it to never be empty.
So, why was never anything like that tried later? Because one of the main prerequisites for it was to have one country calling the shots. And that didn't happen. You can hardly have two countries agree on something today, let alone dozens. And a project like that would always help one country more than the others - which would not be a problem if all you have is one country. But you don't.
And that is why trains like that never came to be.
The only other place that you would expect it to happen is USA, but due to the nature of their economy, culture and railway industry in particular, you hardly have a regular railway working, let alone a thing like this. They still don't have even a fast railway system like most other developed nations.
And that is why we don't have trains like those - even though a small number of lines they would operate on would make perfect sense. Especially today when we want to lower our carbon footprint and reduce the airplane traffic and road cargo - as trains are the cheapest and the most energy efficient way of dry land transport.
It was a terrible idea with no benefit at all. The the building and operation costs on such a large train would be much greater than that if a conventional size one. So that means you would need to make sure that it is always “full “ when it runs to cover those costs. That is something that is impossible, people travel at different times, and freight ships at different times. There are going to be many times that the train would run with half empty passenger cars and freight cars. Yes, you can decouple cars that are completely empty for that run, but you never know what the return run might need. Add in the cost of completely rebuilding your rail system, and it is a failure before it began. The better idea is definitely duel track idea. You can still run standard trains most of the time, and if a much larger piece of equipment needed to be shipped, use the larger train. Just look at the failure of the Airbus A380, it died for the same reasons I stated about the train. It could only land at certain airports unless the runways and boarding areas were modified, the latter being needed at all airports. Many times, the flights were less than 50% capacity, with some being only a few passengers. The new trend was instead smaller, more efficient airplanes. Airbus never did recoup the $25 billion development price of the project.
I love all the absolutely crazy ideas people had from ww2. Giant train, giant planes, giant boats, air craft carrier submarine, and of course giant bombs.
The giant bomb was built.
Crazy Dreams? No other event in human history advanced technology so rapidly. The rate of engineering and manufacturing advancement in such a short time has never been seen before or since. Most of these crazy dreams all came true to some extent.
@@powertothesheeple5422look at AI. Will Smith eating spaghetti and new images. Will Smith eating spaghetti is great, because he clearly enjoys it, but you can see, it's not real. But the new images are great, and this technology advanced rapidly. Soon we don't have to hire actors anymore to eat spaghetti in movies 🙂
Like draining the Mediterranean
I'm no engineer, but I think due to the massive size of this train, that the concept would be more fitting on a magnetic style track like the bullet train or the monorail, where the rails themselves don't need to be structured to support the considerable weight. Though I guess this would be problematic for operating through any extreme weather conditions
But they do have to be engineered to handle the voltage capacity of the magnets to hold the train up! Ergo the engineering cost would be steered toward the train weight and lifting it!
The weight is still transferred to the rails or earth based magnetic structure.
@@sbrunner69 yeah 100%
Even reading my comment now im like "uhhhhh" because yeah obviously magnetic force doesn't eliminate the weight of the object being magnetically repelled.. I don't know. I must have been super baked
@@asylumental Yes sometimes when I’m baked I lose site of gravity as well….:-)
you re definitely not an engineer...
Excellent sound effect choice for the train horn, anyone who's played HL² must see this train's resemblance to Combine razor trains.
That sound makes me reflexively reach for Left Shift.
@@AubriGryphon *gets yeeted off the map*
Same
" Achtung , Achtung !!!!, der train ist leaving for Stalingrad, Moscow, und all points East !!!". The ultimate troop transport..
I could definitely see the Combines using this Train in Germany when they took over Earth.
the standard gauge was actually first used in the mines of England in the 1700s, the standard gauge was popularized by George Stephenson.
also it is pronouced, Stevenson
No it is pronounced Stephenson which stev-en-sun
@@mikeoxsmal8022 that's what I mean
Actually the rail gauge originates from the ancient Rome, where the first paved road network was designed to accomodate two horses in front of a carriage. So actually our standard gauge is exactly as wide as two horses arse… :)
Standard gauge comes from Ancient Rome, where the ruts in the streets were 4 foot, 8 and a half inches apart. The ruts were made to speed traffic in Rome's crowded streets.
@@lawrencelewis2592 When George Stephenson designed the Stockton & Darlington Railway in the north of England in 1825, he used a gauge of 4 feet, 8 inches simply because he had been familiar with it on a mine tramway called the Willington Way on the Tyne River below Newcastle.
How is everything they build always so badass looking?
It's probably because we know it represents something we are taught is bad. And we all like to go against the rules of society a little bit. I mean, if this train was rainbow coloured and was invented by Greta Thunberg, driven by Conchita Wurst and powered by sustainable stuff we wouldn't be as impressed.
But we hear that it's Nazi and we think Eagles, Swastikas, Skulls, Heavy Iron, Flak 88, MG42, Diesel engines, Mercedes, BMW, power and black smoke. And well dressed bad guys with scarred faces discussing plans in the carriages.
@@99ron30 the germans and Italians just had naturally stylistic engineering prowess, they were ahead of their time in all industries such as fashion and engineering
@@99ron30 Yeah, that's probably true for sure. Great comment by the way!
@@jacksonsparrow8865 Yeah it took the entire World going to War with them and even still they almost won, it makes me wonder if what we are taught about History is correct after all the victors write the History books.
Thank you for this. I love trains, and all of these places you name help me with my geoghraphy.
So basically, Hitler wanted to make _Snowpiercer_
(Please note that this comment predates the current title of the video.)
Actually it sounds like Snowpiercer wanted to copy Hitler
Or Supertrain, but with less disco...
Go out of my head :D
@@tomanderson6335 Disco Nazi Supertrain? sigh, if only politically correct wokies didn't freak out over everything, there could be some real old school, Mel Brooks, Leslie Neilson type comedy gold in that.
That was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this.
As always with the railways, The trains themselves aren't that expensive. The cost of new rail lines is staggering, not to mention maintenance. What a great video and great channel! It's so good to see something other than stock photos or a guy talking into a camera in his spare room! Great, high quality content here!
still cheaper than the environmental cost of cars
@@GP-qi1ve Do you think money grows on trees and people world for free?
it wasn't like he went out shooting these videos or spoke in front of a tree.
I dunno, Elon thinks he can dig railway tunnels for pennies!
🤣🤣🤣
Knock Knock Elon, Crossrail is here to die laughing for your entertainment.
@@mememachine5244 it's an investment, my friend. And in the long run is much cheaper than cars. See, us European litterally just dug a tunnel in the alps (which are much, much taller than any mountain in the US) and made a line between Rome and Paris. Do you think oil rigs are free? Do you have the slightest idea of how much costed to clean the gulf of Mexico from Deep Water Horizon? Stop with the bullshit. People prefer cars because they are lazy asses, not because cars are cheaper.
When I was a child my dad took me on a business trip to Brest, Belarus by train and it was very impressive to me to learn that because of the wider tracks in the former SU the train's whole passenger carriages would get lifted off their narrow european chassis and transplanted onto wider russian standard chassis just like that within an hour or so during a stop before crossing the border.
What a massive effort to keep train traffic flowing - but less of an issue than replacing a continent spanning railway system I guess..
What a fantastic video! Thank you so much🥰☺️
Who thinks of the scene from Wolfenstein The new Order ? I do!
Seems to be that those are inspired by the real plans that were drafted
Same, I imagine the scene with Irene Engel
@@georgivanev7466. Don't forget her handsome companion Hans "Bubi" Winkle.
The Wolfenstein games really captured the Nazi style of robotics, vehicles and engineering pretty accurately coming to think of it.
You reminded I need to buy the game :)
At 6:22 I would certainly agree that 1.4 _millimeters_ would qualify as narrow-gauge! Even N-gauge model railways [the smallest common scale] have a gauge of 9mm.
At one time there was "Z" gauge, fairly close to 1.4mm. I had a Z gauge boxcar, but cant find it now, i think one of my cats ate it.
Ah yes, the famous 1.4 millimetre railway made for fleas, bedbugs and ants.
And who is Stepson 😂
@@GWJUK the original video was referring to George Stephenson, and his name was mispronounced. George Stephenson was the original inventor of the steam locomotive in Great Britain, during the 1820s. (Possibly earlier.)
@@paulsmith5398 yes ta I know who George Stephenson is. I was enjoying the pronouncement
Also this railway project was shown in "Joachimstaler A. Die Breitspurbahn Munchen-Berlin : Herbig 1993".
I had pay attenton to one thing - cross-section of wide-gauge locomotive that show its traction drive. Due to that project, wide-gauge locomotives will use Tschanz-drive (Tschanzantrieb), that's 3-class drive with hollow shaft on wheelset axle and traction motors mounted on the main frame. And Tschanz joint is a pack of springs (viscous elements) mounted on the wheel center, that was the way in pre-war era, before Alsthom rod joint was invented.
We could have had luxury trains. Instead we have unaffordable homes and child trаnniеs.
That is one mind blowing train. Kind of like a Queen Mary on tracks. Hitler and Company were definitely not afraid to think big.
Such examples are the massive Gustav railway gun and the giant Ratte super heavy tank
Too big for Germany and the rest of the world - within years they would have had to deal with more severe environmental problems than us today, 80 years later ;)
when you have the power to execute millions on command it's understandable why
@@andrewmontgomery5621 But those weapon systems were big to the point of being useless.
They were thinking about a 1000 years and not just a 4 year election cycle. It's terrifying and at the same time astonishing where a unified culture being forced to create infrastructure that reflects your dominance in innovations.
Dominance through innovation
A 3 metre gauge is kind of crazy, and such a wide gauge severely inhibits how tight a curve can be which makes terrain following in even moderately hilly regions tricky and expensive and the tunnels for those trains would have been simply huge. As far as I'm aware the widest railway gauge ever used on a large scale, was Isambard Kingdom Brunel's 7ft 1/4 inch, or 2,140 mm designed in 1838 and which was used throughout most of the GWR network. It was in use until 1892. (The gauge was original 7 ft, but clearance problems were found in testing, so another 1/4 inc was added).
If that gauge had remained, then it would have been mightily impressive today, but it was killed in the interests of inter-operability, and since the considerable majority of UK rail was to the "standard" gauge, and the costs of upgrading that would be prohibitive, it was GWR that had to give way and, with Brunel dead, it's greatest proponent wasn't around to defend it.
Strangely, Ireland was left with a different gauge - 5ft 3 inches, which is in use to this day.
Ironically, in light of Nazi ambitions in the area of broad gauge, it was the Russian gauge of 5 ft (1,524 mm), which caused massive logistical problems in the invasion of the Soviet Union as it was incompatible with the standard gauge and required either transhipment of goods between trains or extensive track relaying.
Feet is not a valid unit of measure, there are different sizes of feet.
@@kiadel7502 Not for the purpose of linear measurements in the 19th century.
@@kiadel7502 lmao
@@kiadel7502 i've been trying to tell the rest of my american friends that and they won't hear any of it, stupid customary units lol
@@james_fisch
In fact USA have British-Imperialist roots including a superiority complex, and serious difficulty to accept mistakes.
@Steve Jones
Hitler's megarailway's ambitiousness was something of a controversy itself. Part of his engineering team described it as "a marvelous feat of engineering but feasible" while others described it as, quote, "foolish and impossibOH MY GOD FÜHRER I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE HERE PLEASE DON'T KI-BLEARGHAUGHAUGH".
We've tried contacting the latter to establish why they deemed it unfeasible but for some reason we can't find them.
This was a megalomaniac bullshit project. I don't see why it is glorified here. All the engineers were probably happy not to have to fight at the eastern front and kept being the yes men.
News Flash Hitler wasnt like Stalin..you could critisize him even to his face many of his generals did and lived. Stalin would have anyone shot for the most absurd reasons.
beautiful design , would still look state of the art today .
i am german and know of many nazi projects, but i have never heard of this before, wow
I too am German and I have only heard about this, because my father is a massive railroad fan. He even went to the U.S. for his honeymoon, just to see the Durango-Silverton line and we have a pretty extensive model railroad line in our basement.
@@generalripper7528 wo wohnst du
There is very good book: Die Breitspurbahn: Das Projekt zur Erschließung des groß-europäischen Raumes 1942-1945
You arent a true German then, you might have a little belgium in you
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I can't help but get reminded of snowpiercer when looking at this train.
Same this is what come to mind first.
Snowpiercer within The Man In The High Castle
Omg yes I have been looking for this comment
Very interesting train !!! I dream it to be realized sometime in the future.
I wonder to this day, seeing these projects in Wolfenstein and Amazon's Man in the High Castle, whether these trains are actually, really, credible.
The weight would've been immense. The start-stop times, immense. The momentum, immense. How would two tracks support that. How would they cross Alps. There's just so many questions.
It is not "Breitspurbahn" it is "Reichsspurbahn". "Breitspur" are all railways that are wider than 1435mm, which includes quite a lot real existing railways like Finlands 1524mm railways or Indias 1676mm. The "Reichsspur" is the specific 3000mm wide Railway planned for the "Lebensraum im Osten" (living space in the east).
There is also Brunel's 7ft gauge Great Western to think about if that had survived 1892 ??
Breispur would be a really mushy thing. I don't think anything could drive on Brei
6:22 one point four millimeters?
Breitspurbahn is correct. It's not only a general term, it also refers to this specific project.
"living space in the east". what a polite way to say invade, annex, genocide, colonize
The CG or graphics used in this video were superb. It actually looked like the train was real.
it was real, did not you notice ? :) It's an old video colorized by AI :)
@@sliiiin
I had no clue.
@@sliiiin But there is still CGI in this video, and it's pretty good.
Yeah the germans must be very good with cgi back then.
😀😀😀😀😀 there are fake...storys...all propaganda until today...!
It was very interesting to watch.
Thank you very much.
I’m hooked! Great job on the Deutsch!
6:23 - 1.4 millimeter rail gauge? That's pretty tiny.
First used by George Stepson himself...
Should be cheap!
All they could afford due to the reperiations.
...quibbed Hitler himself
I think that was a mixup with the size of Hitler's pecker
“The enemy is being reinforced with an armoured train”
(BF1 flashbacks)
Places tank mines on rails
@@thefrenchcommander5770 yeeeah.
Tbh that’s what makes the train the worst behemoth
Ein ganz tolles Video! Wenn man ergänzend noch das Buch "Die deutsche Breitspurbahn" zur Hand hat, ist das Vergnügen perfekt!
👍😎🇦🇹
5:22
for all the video i've been thinking about the combine train from HL2 and now you hit me with that
I see that Found and Explained is fan of "The Man in the High Castle" as well 😃
This is wonderful! There is not all the much information out there about the Breitspurbahn; I "discovered" it in a display case at the German Railway Museum in Nuremberg but there don't seem to be many books about the plan. Amazingly, even as the 1000 Year Reich shrank rapidly, planning continued right up until the Russians came to Berlin. There were some serious engineering issues, such as the massive curves needed with such a broad gauge, but also things like having to ferry passengers out to the train with smaller trains as the giant steam locomotives would asphyxiate everyone inside a station!
imagine the tunnels... damn that would be expensive. also the pressure on rails. germany only needed 50-100 cm wider trains for their tanks. everything else is just overkill
"locomotives would asphyxiate everyone inside a station" ... sounds like the sort of thing that suits the nazis, they probabally thought they could double it up for something
@@jebise1126 The soviets carried their moon rocket (a Saturn V competitor, and after, it was used for Buran, their space shuttle) on rails. It used twin parallel tracks (like the Dora/Gustav nazi railgun) and a transporter-mobile-launch-platform-wagon with 64 axles (or 128 wheels). Weight is not an issue on railway tracks, as you can just expand the thing to ridiculous measurement, all without increasing the friction that much.
(and yeap the massive wagons still exists at Baikonur...)
Der Uber Train !!!.
@@Damien.D NASA also did and does use railroads for transportation of rocket parts and delivering smaller rockets to the launchpad. The French also built a railway for their spaceport in French Guiana.
At 6:30 you talk about George STEPSON (not Stephenson, as on screen). He's rather well known in Railway history. So is his sometimes derided choice of the "Coal Wagon Guage" once worked by horses around Newcastle.
Coolest thing ever! If anyone else but Hltler had suggested this, they'd be hailed as a genius!
Hitler just was:
Take this and make it big! 🫵😡
It's like Kathleen K. Take this, put a chick in it and make it lame and gay. Doesn't take a genius for that. He ruined most projects he was involved in, because he didn't really understand the matter 🤷♂️
Early M4's (Shermans) at 1:16...WRT comments about superiority of broad gauges (5'+) over standard gauge railways (4' 8 1/2") one must bear in mind that the minimum negotiable curve radius increases with track gauge. Railway wheels and axles are 1 piece with no ability for differential rotation speed. The outer wheels on a curve must rotate faster than the inner, or else slipping of the inner wheel or skidding of the outer will happen, causing massive wear to the wheels and tracks(anyone who has travelled on a city subway/underground will know the screeching on tight curves). The tighter the radius the greater the calculated rotational differential. To overcome some of that effect railway wheels are conic section and rails are crowned. The conic section results in the wheels self-centring between the rails with the wheel flanges not contacting the rail sides. If a curve is the correct radius and is negotiated at a specific speed the outer wheel of the curve rides closer to the flange where the wheel radius is greater while the inner wheel moves away from the rail, running on a smaller radius section. At the same rotational speed the outer wheel will naturally travel further than the inner. The system is engineered to reduce track and wheel wear to a minimum. As gauge increases the requisite conic sections and track crowning that enable smooth running become impracticable. Standard gauge, or close to it gives a good compromise of requirements. It is interesting to note that for railways in mountainous terrain, where tight curves have to be used, narrow gauge railways are preferred (as small as 2' 6"). The same often applies to streetcars in cities.
Beuatiful explanation ! Thank you! BTW, I' ve always wondered of a train system with independent wheels on an axle, for not being need for large curve radii.
Solution: Make railway wheels and axles that are not 1 piece.
This snippet came from WW2 American PR film 'The Troop Train'.
@@AaronHorrocks compound bolster trucks/bogies?
The issue with independently rotating wheels on a stationary axle is side thrust. modern freight cars (loaded) can weigh 130 tons. Solid axles (as used commonly) ensure the spacing of the wheels while requiring only 2 lateral thrust faces. For wheels on their own bearings 4 thrust supports would be needed; 1 on each side of each wheel. The complexity and catastrophic results of failure largely override any benefit when current technology works very well. On a classic steam locomotive the wheel sets have to be solid to maintain the synchronization of the pistons on each side. On an electric or Diesel-Electric the weight, cost and reliability issues of differential drive to the wheels is also not worth the effort. For light rail transit applications where low floors and tight turns are needed independent wheel sets have proven practicable.
Germans did really well during those times in terms of inventions and creating advance machinery. They are still doing well but the rate at which they came out with new weapons was really astounding.
I think the issue was funding. Any crazy old idea can become really impressive if enough money is poured in to development.
Yeah I mean, the issue with a lot of these inventions is that they are actually pretty unimpressive. A lot of them can be boiled down into the “OOOH, BIGGER” logic and little else. The point has been discussed to tired completion.
They are weak, defeated and degenerate society now. America controls everything in Germany. Germans have to buy American weapons. How do you expect them to innovate?
It's ironic that many of advances in aircraft and weapons systems after WW II in the United States and Soviet Union were made by ex Nazi engineers. Even our Space Program in 1960s would not have been possible with them.
What's what fear does. Look of the innovations between ww1 to the end of the cold war. even nowadays not long ago digital cameras, wireless internet, small cellphones etc. Everything in our cellphone was made to spy and kill during the cold war proxy wars/ for ww3 that never came
the intro is just spectacular.
Amazing...so advanced and forward thinking.
5:00 So this is EXACTLY the type of level you'd come across in one of those early 2000s WW2 games, sneaking into Germany, coming upon that snowy train stop only for the player to see those MASSIVE rails and just have a "whoa.." moment.
Big return to castle wolfenstein, original COD, MOH, vibes.
Way ahead of his time on this one. Imagine how many intermodal containers a train of such scale could carry. Combined with the expansive international route which is pretty much impossible nowadays it would quickly become a vital connection on the world stage. And it would bring the luxuries of cruise ships to the much faster rails.
This thing would be an intermodal beast. I'm not sure what the actual loading gauge would be, but looking at it, this thing could probably do triple, maybe even quadruple, container stacks two wide on railcars. Compared to a modern American freight train that carries about 150-250 40' containers, this could probably do 800-1200 containers on a train of the same length. That's equivalent to about 7%-14% the capacity of a container ship which is crazy.
@@drosera88 That kind of capacity combined with the speed of a train would without a doubt be the freight backbone of the modern world.
@@drosera88 This is the kind of back of the envelope calculation which sounds cool in abstract, but doesn't really solve anything in practical terms. The major bottleneck for rail freight isn't the length of the trains, or their speed (which become ever more solvable with modern stock tracking and computerized route management), it's the loading and unloading at their destinations. Which this does nothing to solve.
@@Bustermachine Another problem is the weight of the trains and the stress they'd exert on the railroad ties, especially in turns (that'd have to be very very wide anyway).
@@Bustermachine I was just making a size comparison. Obviously this thing would be a different beast entirely when it came to loading and offloading. It's a logistical nightmare and very inflexible. Having so many containers on a single car complicates things so much. A modern freight train allows you to just pluck any container off a train, and at most, you have one container in your way if it's at the bottom of a stack. On this thing, a container at the bottom of a stack would mean moving up to three containers, maybe even more depending on the design of the crane being used to move the containers. That's a lot of time and money. The only way to avoid that is making sure containers are stacked in a particular order, but doing so makes you train inflexible because now you can't just put containers on to the train as needed without taking into account of the containers already on the train, as well as the containers the train may be picking up at a different destination. Coming up with an efficient logistical solution to organize and stack these things on the trains and running it would be not only costly, but also very inflexible as well. I really don't think you'd be able to fully economically utilize such large container cars for these reasons.
Fact is that between Dresdens Radebeul and the village Radenburg still a steam traction service (official DB line) is in place!
Wow, 1.4mm gauge. That's STAGGERING!!
When Brunel first built the Great Western railroad in the UK, it used a broad gauge of just over 7 feet/2 meters. He believed that trains would be faster and more comfortable at this gauge. But others were using at standard gauge, and he was simply outnumbered. So he abandoned it. It is a pity. If he had won that argument, our modern trains would probably be a lot better! We kind of missed a trick.
Usa has the best freight trains, my territory can handle almost 20,000 feet (ive been on a 19,300 foot long train) and these days 10-12k feet is almost common
Brunel's original intention with the broad gauge was to run fast by reducing bearing friction - effectively narrow coaches fitted between oversize wheels that could rotate more slowly for any given track speed. That was a problem that was solved pretty quickly by better bearings and better lubrication, but the system left behind allowed the GWR to still achieve greater speed than then average elsewhere, simply because the broad gauge gave more room to build a powerful locomotive than standard, with mid-Victorian technology. The width probably also helped stability, given the contemporary understanding springs/dampers and available materials, but that's also a problem that passed.
Fast forward 100-150 years, and the broad gauge wouldn't help us go faster - there is an optimum figure for gauge for high speed stability, which is very close to 1435mm. If you were to just widen a 'normal' truck to suit 7ft gauge, and try and run it at 180mph+, the changed length/width ratio would bring down the bogie critical speed (the point at which hunting is endemic, and develops more or less spontaneously) - it might not be as low as 180mph, but you'd definitely be closer to the absolute limits. There are things you might do to try and offset that - increase the wheelbase, change the wheel profile, etc., but all of them have knock on consequences. The wider gauge is forcing you into other compromises that would otherwise be unnecessary.
@@alexander1485 Europe doesn't need a US style freight rail network. The geography and European geopolitics mean that the existing rail network is adequate. America's focus on freight is the reason why passenger rail is so poor in the US - and never likely to improve. Some small European countries have larger High Speed Rail networks than the entire USA. America is about 30 years behind the times.
@@jonathanj8303 British Empire built broad gauge lines in India and Argentina, 1,676 mm, still in use today.
@@eduardosantabaya5348 yes, and apart from some tolerance issues, that also matches the gauges in Spain and Portugal (which are very slightly different from each other). And then there's 5'3" gauge in Ireland, and 1520mm in Russia and neighbouring states.. Standardisation was a dirty word 150 years ago, apparently.
High speed can be made to work on 1676mm if you need it to, but RENFE have gone for standard gauge HS lines, and variable gauge trains where they need to run through. Probably the better choice in the long run.
I suppose that 'the measurement of 1.4 millimeters' mentioned at 6:23 is supposed to be: 1.4 METERS. Otherwise we would have had pretty small railways :-)
I was gonna say the same thing! Lol. No biggie great video!!!
Fantastic video man you earned a subscribe
I'd love to see an engineer analyze whether such a railway would actually be cheaper to operate (economies of scale). Obviously building it would cause many problems, but assuming you had it, would it be better?
If it werent for the atrosities that the Nazis commited, I'd of loved to see how Germany in that era would have turned out had they been succesful with thier engineering projects. It'd definitely be up there with Japan in terms of productivity and technological advancement. Very many "American" advancements were accomplished by Germans or their descendants.
truly a tragedy. so many brilliant minds groomed and led staggeringly astray by evil men and the "I'm better than you in every way" mentality.
You would have probably been in a slave labor camp supporting thier economy. That was their plan for the rest of the world.
The Nazi economy would have collapsed within years even without the atrocities and if they had won.
The idea that Germany was magically super advanced is complete nonsense. The Nazis had a huge brain drain. Huge amounts of resources were put into development that is all.
@@WilliamHamilton29464 He did say except for the atrocities, which is a big exception.
@@WilliamHamilton29464 What bullcrap.... Besides eastern europeans, people outside of germany would have been just fine
Great idea. That's what we' d need today for international freight transport. Instead of slow trucks crossing Europe.
well... the thing is there already are fast trains that carry cargo. no new super mega train is needed for that
@@jebise1126, on the contrary, the carry cargo is traditionally slow, especially in Germany, mostly not faster than 80 km/h. To cross the continent, it takes many days. Big trains could even replace the slow cargo ships, travelling around Europe.
@@frankg.gerigk9122 Cargo trains today are traveling at 90-120 km/h, container or mail trains usually at 120-140 km/h so they are quite fast. The limiting factor today is not technology, rather than track capacity and, as the by far largest factor, cost effectiveness because one would need disc brakes and dampers in order to travel faster than 120-140 km/h.
i agree, this could be asian- european Megaprojekt.
imagine such an extra size railway between the fareast and europe, it would make containership nearly obsolete.
@@frankg.gerigk9122 And what is the speed limit of the trucks? moreover due to the nature, railway is more narrow than roads even highways
brilliant video, really good , new sub!
Awesome, thank you! I hope you enjoy the other videos on the channel
Though I sup unto a few channels in the vein of this one already, but after watching a few videos from FaE here I think I'll sup as this was a really neat and well made little doc. Thanks FaE.
Astonishing. A land- based luxury superliner. Complete with lounges, dining rooms, pools, and promenade decks.
Fascinating, Captain.
I like the idea of the Breitspurbahn even if I don't like where it came from. There was once a very short lived American TV show that explored a very similar concept and used it as a setting for poorly written drama/comedy, "Supertrain". It aired six episodes in 1979.
As a German, I can tell you, I´m not proud either to hear from who it came from. Even if there were some great inventions, it´s often weird to me, when people "pick up on positive things from that era of crime"....
In the USA, there you have sparce flat terrain, building bigger railways makes auctually sence. In fact I am surprized Texas never build an oversized Rail as Gadetbahn (on the saner edge) for industrial transport: Texas is flat, industrial, and megalomaniac. Perfect match.
Watch snowpiercer the movie & show
@Ithecastic That's the funniest shit I've read this month. Like goddamn you could not be talking more shit. Texas is slamming more highway lanes through Austin, destroying entire communities for it, just to try and speed traffic by a few minutes
I need these cool trains in real life, I LOVE THE DESIGN
Ahh das war also das Vorbild für die Serie Snowpiercer
Interestingly, Brunel in UK had created the 2,140mm gauge which was the largest gauge ever built on railway line.
Brunel argued that the 2,140mm was superior to everything duo to stability, greater speeds, and much much larger ability to carry cargo.
Brunels superior gauge almost became the UK standard but his death meant that other opportunistic selfish venture Capitalists would pressure for inferior standard gauge.
Other than that, the largest gauge in use are the 1600+mm gauges of Iberia (Spain & Portugal) and then the Indian area, its also used as freight gauge in some parts of US.
Needless to say, a 2140mm gauge today would been most optimal considering HOW much bulk is being transported on sea, the USSR was investigating 4000mm gauges during the 70s to boost transportation of goods, USSR made great use of rivers and large transport planes but felt that transporting goods by sea from Siberia to western part of USSR was too much of a risk and too slow hence the need for a larger gauge, USSR collapsed before any serious work could be done however, a shame really, it was intended to be dual purpose, able to support both the larger trains and the standard ones, so it would be backwards compatible, a great idea to be honest.
Almost always it seems that upfront cost kills genius. 2140mm or 3m Wide Gauge would be expensive upfront, other than basically building a whole new network (the main cost) the only downside is the upfront cost per mile.
Brunel was pretty good
Wider gauge is NOT "superior in any way". It does allow to carry larger-sized cargo, but there's not enough demand for this anyway. And gauge doesn't matter at all for bulk cargo.
@@AlexBesogonov
Not enough demand? Yes there is, there actually lots of freight train going from Europe to China now to transport goods because its cheaper and quicker than to transport by ship.
A large gauge may not be in demand under an inefficient system like free market, but in a resource driven economy such larger gauge railway would probably be common place in order to move goods and people far more efficient than by ship and plane.
Also its less pollution to have a large train than having to move cargo by sea or air.
@@SMGJohn I actually think that a wider gauge would allow for shorter trains for the same load, making lower lead times possible. ÍThe idea of implementing a wide gauge rail network for international freight surfaces every 10-15 years, but it won't get built, because of cost, ROI, and transhipment concerns.
As awful as Hitler was, I do like that he supported all sorts of crazy engineering projects, things that would greatly improve the world if done. The giant trains, space stations, jet aircraft, and limited access freeways are all terrific concepts.
@@SarcasticCynic Note “As awful as Hitler was”
@@SarcasticCynic wasn't hitlers/germanys Investitionen Invention
Aparently, sometimes allowing _some_ megalomania is good
@@davisdf3064 _Some_ megalomania is what we call engineering.
Reminder: this is the same guy who dismissed nuclear science as Jewish science.
I would definetly like to see this design today
Swimming pools, in it of itself, is just honestly crazy.
Standard gauge dates back to the chariots of ancient Rome. It was adopted in the mines of northern England in the 18th century. In the early days of steam, it was too narrow to fit the machinery into the space between the wheels without compromises. The GWR was originally built to a gauge of 7 feet, and the locomotives could be made more powerful.
Even older than that. Google the Malta cartruffs. They continue underwater into places that hadn't been dry land since the last ice age, over 12K years ago.
But that "theory" only applies to 🐏 who believe the masonic doctrine called an education
Todt was a brilliant engineer, even today we can see how his network of Autobahn connects Germany and parts of Central Europe together. Sadly, modern long-distance and overnight trains can't compete with the too cheap air traffic.
The autobahn, among other projects and programs, was started during the Weimar years, but appropriated by the Nazis as solely their own work
@@Theo-vn9hm Todt became member of the Nazi party NSDAP in 1922. The HA-FRA-BA project, an autobahn from Hamburg via Frankfurt to Basel, was founded in 1926.
@@paulsehstedt6275 *_" Todt became member of the Nazi party NSDAP in 1922. The HA-FRA-BA project, an autobahn from Hamburg via Frankfurt to Basel, was founded in 1926."_*
And that's why you call the autobahn a nazi invention?! Okay, right-wingers do be known for their pretty simple views of life *. . .*
@@letoubib21 I've never claimed, that the autobahn was a Nazi project. It was founded as a private society in 1926 and later got under Nazi rule, when Hitler came to power. So please correct your comment.
@paul sehstedt
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THIS IS WHAT HUMANITY LOST
Love the style and color. It’s beautiful.
I could see some serious potential for trains like this. Particularly in their ability to move smaller naval vessel hulls from inland factories to the sea. That actually offers a huge asset in building a navy.
Otherwise, this is right at home for a wolfenstein title.
its just easier to build them along the coast, we have massive and powerful engines, the big boy and the Allegheny are two of the worlds most powerful
Great to see this brought to life with the animated graphics. The designers would have only had paper drawings for all those years, they would be staggered at seeing what you have created.
Absolutely. Really mind boggling engineering. Remember life with only a slide ruler- no CAD/CAM, no computers- Only the power of the Human Brain & the ability to dream.
Awesome.
Yeah snowpiercer is also a great documentary on this
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti
Everyone loves the sequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
One thing never lacking inside the mind of that Homicidal Maniac,was big colorful ideas.
I like hearing more about Hitlers architectural and infrastructure projects over those death camps. As evil as he was, he had style.
No, he did not. That's why he was not accepted at art school ;D ...BUT his workforce had some. For architectural things look up Albert Speer who was the one and only major architect for all the projects back then.
6:22 "1.4 millimeters"
That's a very tiny train. Maybe a dust mite could ride it.
Well, now I know where they got the design idea for snowpiercer.
Traveling vast distances with such a train is in my fantasy at least, very reminiscient of hyper drive in star wars
It is crazy 6 meter wide train, 4 meters wide rail and that is just one lane we have with cars. It puts into a perspective the space we use because of roads.
Like titanic, but never built. Both are awe inspiring.
Titanic never went down, it was it's pre-damaged sister-ship the 'Olympic' under insurance fraud.
Just a note on early railway (not *railroad*) pioneers, It was George and Robert *Stephenson* - pronounced as _Stevenson_ (NOT "Stepenson") - that came up with what a lot of us know as "Standard Gauge." Russia, Ireland, Victoria (Australia) and South Australia all use a wider gauge, with all but Russia using 5' 3" or 1600mm gauge.
I was wondering about the way he mispronounced Stephenson's name. Almost as if the narrator wasn't a native English speaker.
@@thhseeking Some people take no notice of what you tell them. I've had a similar argument elsewhere online and got told that *_I_* was wrong, in no uncertain terms! It's alright, I've just studied Stephenson and Brunel's works quite extensively, what would I know?
This honestly looked amazing and also high speed rail would have been amazing with this as with how wide the tracks are it would allow the trains to be very stable even at high speeds
maybe even 400-500kph
also my only fault with the video is that pronunciation of Stephenson
not to be picky but its Stee-phen-son not stef-en-son
0:13 Love that man in the highcastle scene
One main point he missed that I've heard elsewhere is that these were intended as ocean-liners of the land, and it can be noted that many of the features these had were similar to that of ocean liners of the time. Britain had a vast maritime empire connected by lavish ocean liners, and Hitler envisioned a similar land-based lavish luxury transport for his land empire.
It's also interesting to ponder if he was right about standard gauge being smaller than would make sense now. This was way over the top, but is standard gauge smaller than optimal? Wouldn't make sense to change given how difficult that would be, but could ponder that as a hypothetical, if we had to do it over again sort of thing. The standard gauge was established when rail vehicles were tiny, and fit entirely between the rails. Gradually they grew to tower over the rails, often as much as twice as wide as them, still using the same gauge. They've done so quite effectively, and it can be noted that it's more common to go narrower for specialized purposes than to go wider, with very few exceptions standard gauge is seen as good enough. Some countries have established wider standards, it could probably be compared to see if they are actually better in any way. I've seen a few niche cases where it's used in places it isn't standard, such as the BART (San Francisco) 5' 6" gauge that I once heard was to make it more tolerant of high winds in the area. But with specialized uses for broad-gauge being less common than specialized uses for narrow gauge would imply there aren't really any compelling advantages of any gauge wider than standard.
Changing the gauge now would be horrifically expensive. Every bridge, tunnel and station would need to be modified as well as moving all the track the electricity lines if electrified the signals, everything., not to mention every train and carriage.
It would be more economical to build an entirely new railway.
Train journeys would be more comfortable for passengers though with a wider gauge, it's just not practical.
@@Iain1962 That's the point I was making - converting existing rail lines or infrastructure to broad gauge wouldn't be economically viable, nor would building new broad-gauge as it would be incompatible with existing infrastructure. Keeping with standard gauge makes the most sense with it already existing. My question is if that weren't a factor if a broader gauge would be better, or if standard gauge as we know it is the optimum balance of trade-offs. Say if somehow every railroad and rolling stock item in the world (or even a given country) were Thanos-snapped out of existence and we had to start over from scratch, would we want to go with the same gauge or would we decide to go for something wider? I don't really know, the current gauge doesn't seem to be much of a limitation. Structure gauge, which restricts the size of vehicles, is a bigger limitation, and a broader gauge wouldn't make any sense unless the structure gauge (loading gauge) were substantially larger as well.
@@quillmaurer6563 Well the wider the gauge the lower the centre of gravity so the more pleasant the trip and smoother the cornering.
Isambard Kingdom Brunel actually wanted a Broad Gauge for his GWR line from London to Bristol, and some of it was built and engines ordered but they turned out to be unsatisfactory and it was built in Standard Gauge instead.
It would have been interesting though because the Locomotives being much bigger would have been an incredible sight.
@@Iain1962 So you're saying mostly from a passenger comfort perspective? I suppose you'd get more stability out of it. Would be interesting to compare the ride quality of standard- versus narrow-gauge trains at the same speed. Typically in my experience narrow gauge is rougher, but probably mostly due to track as the narrow gauge lines in question are historic lines used for tourists, non-welded and not maintained to the same alignment precision as modern standard-gauge passenger lines.
Speed doesn't seem to be a limitation, as 300km/hr is commonplace on some standard-gauge lines. However the Japanese built the high-speed Shikansen system to standard gauge, unlike the rest of their network which is narrow gauge, implying broader is better for high-speed service. Not by a big enough margin to justify high speed trains elsewhere (TGV, ICE, Acela, etc) going broader than standard gauge, implying that standard gauge is "good enough" for high speed service. I don't know if broader gauge could handle more lateral acceleration (taking tighter turns faster) than standard or narrow, my understanding is typically trains derail by jumping the track rather than tipping off of it (as model/toy trains tend to do in my experience). In fact narrower might help prevent this, as narrower will shift more weight onto the outside wheel and make it less likely to jump the track. The practical limit on cornering for passenger trains (freight doesn't care so much) from what I've heard is passenger comfort more than derailment, hence the use of tilting trains.
Thinking of Brunel, we have to keep in mind that tracks were far rougher then than they are now - unwelded, no modern alignment technologies, etc. That might have been a factor then that isn't so significant now. Especially if the track were to be tilted at all - one rail higher than the other - this would tilt a narrower gauge more than a wider gauge. Likewise locomotive and carriage suspension of the time was far more primitive than now, a major factor if passenger comfort is a consideration. I also get the sense that at the time low CG relative to the track width was thought to be important, an idea that has since been debunked. Steam locomotives of the era - especially high-speed ones - had the boiler between very large driving wheels, trying to keep a low CG while having large driving wheels suitable for high speed as they were limited on how fast they could turn (due to the piston and cylinder design). As the track gauge limited the boiler width, a broader gauge could allow a bigger boiler. But it was found that higher CGs on locomotives aren't that big a problem, and technology advanced to allow wheels to spin faster, thus didn't need to be as big. This allowed the boiler to be above the wheels rather than between them, removing this constraint and eliminating that advantage of broader gauge.
@@quillmaurer6563 Yes, comfort, carrying capacity, and cornering, are the main advantages, but of course it carries a higher price tag for construction.
The high speed lines all have to be built as straight as possible to allow the high speeds safely, that's why we have to build a completely new line for HS2, to eliminate as many curves as possible.
It makes sense to have a standard gauge for ease of equipment manufacturing and what we are using is probably sub optimal but too late to change.
I love how one leg goes from Delhi to Beijing. You know, right through the Himalayas.
Facts aren't very important if you're a Nazi, so that shouldn't have been an issue...
Hey, the Germans had an actual plan to drain the Mediterranean sea. Tunnel through the Himalayas isn't exactly out there, by comparison.
Such a great visionary, ..(in terms of railway stuff)
2:52 Finland was never under direct or proxy control of Nazi Germany. In the Lapland War (after the Winter War and Continuation War against the Soviets) we fought against Nazi Germany.
As I know the Project gone more far than one would expect: In the South of Berlin you can still see bridges and traces build for that giant train. I remember that I found theese tracks together with my father in the late 90s. They still exists...
Wo genau sollen den Gleise mit einer Spurweite von 3 Meter seien? Wo im Süden? Das wäre ja eine Sensation…
@@T.P.030 south o Berlin! also nicht in Süddeutschland:)
Dreilinden, da ist ein totes stück autobahn mit einer brücke, wenn man genau hinguckt sind das die Überreste. Ich glaube die Gleise sind aber nicht mehr da...
@@Erichder5te ja, das ist schon klar, aber könnten das nicht eher die Gleise der ehemaligen Stammbahn sein? Wo genau meinst du denn? Ich fahre dort regelmäßig die Autobahn lang.
@@T.P.030 So hab jetzt mal auf google maps nachgeschaut. So richtig kann ich das leider nicht mehr nachvollziehen, ist ja schon paar Jahrzehnte her :)
Aber ich glaube die Brücke findet man in Maps unter dem Namen Stammbahnbrücke, nicht bei der aktiven Autobahn sondern bei dem stillgelegten Teil. Stillgelegt, da das Stück Autobahn ja noch durch Albrechts Teerofen ging.
Es gibt noch heute eine Brücke, eben für die Stammbahn. Die Fundamente der Brücke sind aber deutlich breiter als für die kleine Stammbahn notwendig. Da bin ich der Meinung hat man früher noch die Gleise gesehen. Da ich aber auch länger nicht mehr da war müsste man mal eine Video Expedition machen und auf Youtibe hochladen ;) gerne mir dann eine Nachricht schreiben wenn du was gefunden hast:)
This was actually a great idea. A wide gauge railway would have enabled far more comfortable journeys and made rail travel much more attractive.
It wasn't a great idea. Not economic. Luxury trains already exist.
Doubling all 3 dimensions means factor 2³=8 in volume, at least factor 8 in weight and energy. How should they have moved this at all? May be, bike speed was possible, this would have become a comfortable but very lengthy journey.
Go to Japan and look what travelling standard gauge trains can be like.
@@akronymus They could have used shorter trains instead. I don't think the benifit is making bigger trains but making wider trains that don't feel as cramped because a large portion of the space has to be the passage way.
The main problem I see with it is that it's a mass infrastructure program.
@@christopherstein2024
Calculate the Physics. The answer is: NO.
@@akronymus Wider and shorter trains => no problem
"you can't underestimate" - so how ever low I estimate it, it can't be too low?
It seems no one understands this expression anymore. It's either:
- You shouldn't underestimate
or
- You can't OVERestimate
Saying "you can't underestimate" literally means the exact opposite of what's intended. It baffles me that otherwise intelligent people don't get that.
Great video by the way, the animations were very well done.
Love the look of this train. Very Art Deco style. Trains then were steam and I kind of doubt the diesel electric was anything but a dream then and didn't come around until after the war. Grand plans for sure.
Diesel-electric locomotives were commercially available in the mid-1920's. Also, with the rate technology progressed during the war (especially by the Germans), IDK why you would doubt their ability to get it done.
@@rodafowa1279 I doubt it because they were using steam locomotives and it never happened. Never heard of diesel electric until after the war and I believe it was the 50s before it became commonly used.
@@jlsracing997 In 1925, the CNJ No. 1000 was the first diesel-electric locomotive to hit the commercial market. You have the internet at your fingertips. Use it. Stop "doubting it" and just find out what actually happened, FFS.
@@rodafowa1279 They did lose the war you know so how was it going to happen. It was a dream of hitler which made no sense, but everyone had to go along with his idea or else. The war put an end to his dream it sounds. Yes diesel electric was there, but not in wide use. To pull something of that weight was probably beyond the technology of the time. That thing had to weigh near double what a regular train did.
@@jlsracing997 Whether or not a diesel-electric locomotive of the time could pull something so heavy, who knows. Then again, the Germans were close on their own nuclear bomb (they were the first to discover nuclear fission, and some refugee scientists obviously played an instrumental role in the Manhattan Project), created the first jet, assault rifle and rocket that reached space, pushed the boundaries for tanks and aircraft, had the best anti-tank weapons, etc. I wouldn't have bet against them to find a way, as it seemed like they had a window into the future or something when it came to technology.
I'm sorry but that huge coliseum looks absolutely amazing.
Actually, some groundwork for the Breitspurbahn had already been started in the east of Nuremberg before the project was canceled. If you know what to look for, you can find some remains in the forest west of Fischbach.
Nürnberg hat echt alles was Eisenbahn betrifft.
@@offichannelnurnberg5894 Naja, das liegt halt auch daran, dass in Nürnberg die erste deutsche Eisenbahn fuhr und der Stadt im dritten Reich als "Stadt der Reichsparteitage" eine besondere Bedeutung zukam. Aber stimmt schon, unsere schöne Heimatstadt hat in Sachen Eisenbahn eine Menge zu bieten.
In Brazil we use the metric gauge (1000 mm), the Breistpurbahn gauge would be 3x the brazilian metric gauge!
When it Derails, they go all together! Madness!
Imagine an alternate universe where he wasn't a complete sack of shit and all of those crazy inventions just came about in the 40's.
A great quote I once heard: "if only Hitler had built tractors instead of tanks, he would be no less famous today".
Another quote concerning Hitler, penned in the 1940's: "even God Himself cannot contend with a fool".
Well, had he not booted out the central bank, the central banks of all other countries wouldn't have declared war on him
I'm just saying.. Consider the funding for science. It is crazy how much was developed in that short span of time.
@@GodActio en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbank
As bad as what the Nazis did was, the engineering stuff they did was incredible and would honestly have been cool too see
I also want to build. I'm going to ask you to cover the seats with the leather of your relatives? you'll go?
isn't that basically what modern day germany is without the radicalization?
eh i think the world could've done without seeing the engineering they put into concentration camps
While they have cool concept, many of them are for the shows instead of actual engineering. It's similar to Soviet projects. Many of them look cool but majority of them are a pipe dream.
They created a lot of that technology at human expense. Yes there were others who were taking advantage and exploiting people. Mostly the corporations and factories.. Many of those moved to other countries.. Like the USA. Ford used to make engines for the NAZI's so did Porsche. Pfizer is such a strange name for a company because it's a NAZI company just like BMW and Volkswagen.
A bit weird that they censored the swastika on the front of the train, especially since these are the Nazis we are talking about
0:13 the use of the Half-Life 2 train sound effect and its general shape makes it look like a Combine train from the game