Dr Felton. I have been a WWII buff all my life. If I hadn't gone into forensic science, I would have gotten my master's degree military history. This video is perhaps the most fascinating you have ever done. I never imagined that so much of these train cars would be in regular use into the 1970s and 80.
WHY? Other than being old, there is absolutely nothing remarkable about it. Lots of stuff built by Stalin and the Soviet Union generally is still around. Stalin is either the worst or second worst (behind Mao) guy of the 20 century. Mao is still on China's money. The party he took power with is still the government in China. Kim Il-Sung's subways are still in use and probably with the same cars. Germany has much less physical history because it was destroyed during the war.
What a revelation this was! I sat on the same toilet seat as once used by Willy Brandt at a hotel in Trier, Germany (so the Innkeeper told me), and Willy no doubt sat on a chair once used by Hermann G. in that dining car! My butt is only once removed from the Reichs Marschall!
The shootage accompanying the narration is incredible, would have thought that even the German state with full secret access to war archives could not have produced as relevant video. I don't know how you access them and that alone would be worth an entire video.
On the subject of Göring's trains you may be interested to know that there is a 15 inch gauge locomotive, Black Prince, at the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway in Kent which previously belonged to the Reichsmarshall.
@jimhoade9265 - The Germans made some stout locomotives during WWII for sure. However, their best paled by comparison to the mighty Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 "Big Boy" locomotive. It had 16, 5 foot 8 inch diameter drive wheels, was over 100 feet long, weighed 1,200,000 pounds and had a top speed of eighty MPH! It had more power than 2 standard locomotives of its time. They were built by ALCO (American Locomotive Company) plant in Schenectady, NY. Check TH-cam for some great videos of the only one of 25 built that is still in operation. It has over 1,000,000 miles on it!
@@Loulovesspeed dude Big Boy is still the heaviest and strongest steam locomotive ever build. It's like comparing them to a LNER A4 when it comes to speed.
@@ffjsb Its now in Louisville KY in a private collection of pre-war Mercedes and Maybachs. Last I knew it was being restored. Very strange that another of the Big 3 cars was in Louisville for a short time. I worked for a man who owned Himmlers personal car. He bought it when the Palace Hotel and museum in Vegas had their auction in the late 90's. I got to drive it. It fealt "wierd".🤨 It was Green with black fenders.
@@jone8626 True, he was shot near the femoral artery and almost died in the Beer Hall Putsch. The doctor who clandestinely patched him up loaded him up with a shitload of morphine and he was never able to kick the habit...among other vices.
The fact that their are still carriages AND Kriegsloc trains still around today blows my mind, very shocked that they have managed to keep them in such a good condition when you consider how much we have lost due to it being either stolen or repurposed over time. Great video as always Mark, please do keep up the great work!!!
There's one in field gray livery operational in The Netherlands. From time to time it hauls tourist trains between Apeldoorn and Dieren. It's engine number 52 3879
The Kriegslok became the standard locomotive for several formerly-occupied countries after 1945 because they were basically left where they stood at the end of the war. When those countries came to rebuild their railways, it was one less thing to have to worry about.
They were from poor steel for the boilers and second-rate materials all over (fittings, flanges, pipes, bearings) that they were either dismantled or underwent a complete refit in the 1950s. With new boilers and items that had not been installed in the first place (smoke deflectors, water pre-heaters....) they served until the end of the steam era and then went into the hands of preservation societies or museums.
As a Locomotive Driver for the DB myself, it is realy interesting to see what happend to these Traincars. Thank you for keeping the history alive to every little part that contributed to it!
I like how you've documented the train carriage by carriage, including its present whereabouts and what happened after the war. In The Netherlands there's a BR 52 'Kriegslok' still wearing the field gray livery, has a bullet hole in the exhaust and is operational! From time to time it hauls tourist trains between Apeldoorn and Dieren. Maybe worth visiting the VSM heritage railway if you get the chance. Cheers!
I’ve been watching Mark Felton’s videos for a few years now, I seem to come to the same question every time. How badly the German military treated prisoners and the people in concentration camps. That they thought it was just perfect for them to live in luxury Total disregard for human life. Added note Mark does a great job at informing us! Keep up the great work!
Because the Nazis believed that those in the concentration camps were "sub humans" and that if you weren't German then you didn't deserve the same level of human rights. Basically racism and anti semitism at its fullest
Has there been a government and military throughout history that didn't live in luxury while it's common citizens and soldiers sacrificed, or treated the enemies badly?
Yeah. He seemed to have a lot of energy. I wonder if Hitler had died years earlier and he took over if he would have gotten in shape like he had to do after his capture
I think you are pronouncing Carinhall incorrectly. My father was born in Norway and named me Karen (CAR-in) when I was born. Since Hermann Göring's first wife was Swedish, her name Carin would probably be pronounced the same way as mine (I parked my 'CAR IN' the garage). That's how I tell people to pronounce my name. Basically, it's just like her name is spelled. In Norway, the R would be rolled. I have been watching all of your videos to prepare for 2 upcoming trips to Germany, Austria, and the beaches of Normandy. I am learning SO MUCH!! I can't thank you enough for your invaluable research and presentations. Truly one of the best WWII history channels on TH-cam.
Excellent video and information. The BR 52s kriegsloks must have been in front of these trains later on. In the first part of the film, the two locomotives in front of the military trains are of the type BR 56 ( possibly identification number for one of them 56 2611) It woul be great to see original photos or videos with the type 52 locos in front of these trains. Regards
If it were 56 2611, the loco later went on to the western part of Germany and was scrapped by October 1954. It was clearly not a 58 as the number series of the former Prussian G12 locomotives did not reach the 2600s.
This channel is top notch. ❤. Such a incredible opportunity to learn about history from a great source. Thank you for all the amazing information and thank you for your talent at presenting all this in such a rich and beautiful way. Hello from British Columbia Canada
4:13 This shot of the man walking with Göring is Adolph Galland, a fighter ace. I always recognise his face, because that always reminds me of AngryJoe xD
... and the shot of the man walking with Chancellor Willy Brandt is Günter Guillaume. His personal assistant who was arrested in 1974 for being a spy for the East German Stasi. Placing an operative so close to the head of govt. of the enemy (West Germany) was the biggest coup of East German intelligence ...
@@quintrankid8045 Well, yeah, after that Göring didn´t like Galland so much anymore, the Reason he treated the "Jagdflieger" later as Traitors and Cowards. Even dgrading Galland so he decided to lead JV 44.......so not to need to talk to "Meier" anymore,or, as less as possible.
Only the finest art,residences,uniforms,and morphine for Goering. I understand the need for an armored command train, but the opulence that he insisted upon is something that I find gross. It seems to have been a running theme amongst the Nazis. "We deserve it, so you pay for it." A theme that's alive and well to this day. Thanks for showing these relics Dr. Felton, well done. Cheers from the States.
@@FaustoTheBoozehound And here comes the troll to defend a bridge too far. Of course the totality of what and who the Nazis were and did is the lowest point of what humans have done in history. Their leaders insistence on luxury is just one of many layers of a disgusting onion that should make all eyes water. Ha! I made it across the bridge.
Wildlife conservation laws aren't for the wildlife. They've always been about making it impossible for people to live subsistence lifestyles. Part of grand plans to drive peasants and people into the cities. Various excuses used through the centuries but always with the same goal.
I'll tell you, if the people who lived through and were most affected by the Nazi era didn't have a problem with re-using trains, buildings, or anything else the top Nazis used I can't see why anyone born long after the era has any reason to eradicate all traces of the same. That's thinking with your glands, not your brains.
There is nothing wrong with retaining items from a defeated regime for display in the proper historical context. That's very different than the BS that took place in the American South which constructed memorials honoring treasonous confederate war criminals.
Hans Joachim Marseilles The Yellow14 / ME109 Hands down undeniably the best to ever pilot a fighter. He is so extremely good he reminds me of Babe Ruth. He was an anomaly. He would ask his crewchief not to load his wing canons with ammo so to keep his roll rate quick. He always came back with most of his ammo anyway. Hed still get 1-5 kills..... He once flew over a British airfield and dropped hand written directions to a pilot hed just shot down. He was a natural mastet of deflection shooting. Its like he was born with a calculator in his head. Hed just tap his trigger and plsnes would fall. Hed always try to spare the enemy pilot, jusy shoot the plane up so theyll parachute out... this is mostly what happened. Once he shot a pilot and the pilot ended up in pow hospital and Joachim went everyday to check on him. This Nazi, this hero of the riech, was best friends with a black guy....in Nazi Germany....at a party with Hitler there Hsns kept playing American Jazz records. "Black music" with Hitler there. Dr.Mark i could go on for hours about the crazy anomaly of Hans Joachim Marseilles so i know you could really dive in and document this guy. If there were ever an honorable Nazi it was Joachim..
Almost all of his kills were made in a Bf-109F, which had NO wing guns. He died due to an engine fault / failure of an early G model. He was not shot down and killed.
@@chriscarbaugh3936 thats right he was upset with the G model came out because it rolled slower and he died jumping from his cockpit, his body struck the tail end of his plane and he never used his shoot on thebway down. Atleast thats what ive read from other Luftwaffe pilots. Tons of stories about that young man. Freaking legend. He played jazz at Hitlers party lol.... and schmoozing the base commander to use his car on dates. He dated alot of the film actresses for 1 or 2 days...but really his skill in 109s is what stood out to me. He was different. The Knights Cross of the Iron Cross with oakleaves swords and diamonds.
@@SpeccyMan i learned that in school, i chose not to use them online because its a waste of space and i trust other literate readers to decipher the mysterious text.
Very interesting Dr Felton. That Kriegslok engine is a true beast. Also, I wonder if Clapton knew what car he was using? It's a testament to how well designed and built these rail cars were that they remained in use for decades and are still around to this day.
Dr Felton, thank you for this video. Your voice and your accompanying music sets the stage for those horrific times in History when humanity ceased in Germany. Göring’s “Art collection must have been looted from the homes of those deported. He never impressed me as being sophisticated enough to even have an opinion of fine art. I pray the art has been returned to the rightful owner’s families. Great video!
The fact that Goring causally surrenders himself with his family to an Allied checkpoint is something to think about. The dude was dangerously charismatic
Great video Mark as a life long rail historian it is good to see these preserved how about the funeral train of Winston Churchil a lot of history there .
An armored Pullman car used by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the "Roald Amundsen" is on display at a museum in Scottsdale, Arizona in the United States. The car has everything required for the passengers to travel in comfort and security.
@BELCAN57: If I am not mistaken, Roosevelt did like to be on Ship´s as he was with the Navy. But as a President he couldn´t be so much Time away from Duty, so he decided to go with the Train as much as possible, he described it as the 2nd best Solution of Travel Feeling to a Navy Ship. In the Movies " Wind of War" with Robert Mitchum is a Scene based on that.....
Thanks for the tip! I just went and saw it. The museum is pretty neat and free to the public. There is a lack of English translations, but there is some. Also, the train is on the bottom floor near the entrance/exit.
The original video about Nazi trains mentioned that Goering was a huge railway enthusiast, and Carinhall had a 4,000 square foot model train setup that he loved to show to guests.
Just a little addon info: The engines shown at 1:26 are not the wartime engines mentioned and shown a bit later - they are old prussian P8 passenger engines (a type of 4-6-0 engine that was really successful in Germany and a few eastern europe countries). The two engines shown still running today are not in Germany but in Bulgaria (or Romania, i am a bit unsure) - they indeed are Class 52 wartime engines. Originally designed to run at max 7-10 years they were quite successful and were in service at many railway companies right up to the end of steam traction. E.g. the GDR did rebuild 250 of these engines to class 52.80 and used them up until the end of the GDR. Poland had them as Ty2 (I think) and various other eastern european countries did use them as well - even the soviet union rebuild some of them to fit their wider gauge and used them - one of these is in Speyer on display today.
The engines at 1:26 are quite certainly not former Prussian P8s (Baureihe 38). They're looking like Kriegsloks to me, possibly 52 guessing by the sand containers on the boiler tube. Similar ones are shown at 1:47 which have the characteristic semi-cylindric bath tub tenders which were designed for simplified, faster production. Those tenders were combined with P8 locomotives sometimes - particularly after the war.
@@michaelburggraf2822 look closely the dome configuration is prussian the smoke box is typical for prussian configurations and they are way to short for class 52, also the boiler is to short. I think I can at least spot a leading axle which would make them P8/class 38, the other engines with that boiler config do not have leading axles (G8, G10, T16). Also the cab is open and not the norwegian style the class 52 features which is enclosed. The engines at 01:31 are of course class 52. To be clear: I am talking about the engines in the bw footage in front of the train. Edit: I reviewed the section again - and also the tender absolutely does not fit a class 52, not even a class 50ük which I thought could be possible, but especially look at the first engine - you can even see the typical design of the prussian tender, also looking at the first engine the sand containers would be much less prominent on a 52 - it is the boxy design of the prussian engines. I am however irritated by the fact that the tender seems to have a wall like DRG designs. On the other hand the air pressure tank does neither fit a class 50, 50ük or 52. It also does not fit the typical setup of the P8. The G12 would have a arrangement like that, but the tender typically did not have a front wall (although there were so many versions of that engine that it is quite possible that there were engines with a tender wall). the class 50/52 family had them across the wheelbase and not alongside the walkway (I think a few had one on the driver side as far as I know). I am by no way sure that they are P8, but I am pretty sure they are not class 52 - and especially the tender and the dome arrangement of the first one do look very prussian to me.
@@kayneahnung3661 I'm beginning to think that it's one of the several variants of the BR 56, 57 or 58. The form of the housing of the cylinders is quite suspect and pointing in that direction. To be honest the sequence around 1:26 is really difficult to analyse. The P8 was a great design but certainly too weak for that task. For that load some proper pulling force is needed especially on inclined sections.
@@michaelburggraf2822 yes I agree on the 38/P8 being to weak. The engine itself fits the 58/G12 very well - only the wall at the tender is strange - but there were so many G12 Variants - its quite possible there were some with a Wall. Also the G12/58 would be the fastest of the ones you mentioned. So I agree on your guess
I was born and raised in Bonn, "Haus der Geschichte" is one of my favorite History Museums. (IT'S ADMISSION FREE AND WELL WORTH THE VISIT!) It educates about the history of the Federal Republic of Germany (it has been reorganized to show history of the GDR, too) so it starts more or less at the end of WWll and shows in detail how the situation after the war was and the different developments in society, politics under occupation and economics from then on. Like all museums of this kind in Germany, it is brutally honest and does not romanticise anything. It also has changing exhibitions, which often highlight specific aspects of pop culture or politics and political scandals. The train car sits on tracks downstairs, in a tunnel connecting the underground station "Heussallee/Museumsmeile".
I cant imagine what all is hidden in private collections around the world..
I'm sure some people have some hidden little gems kicking around!
I can't imagine what gets lost when these knowledge dragons pass away and their kids want nothing to do with the collection and dispose of it.
Alot! Espicially in the east of Europe. My boss once told me he was there when the car of Himmler was sold to a rich Swiss dentist in secret
Most of nazi treasure is brought in america by soldiers
Also what’s in Russia?
Just imagine what we're going to find within the next 50 years as collectors start dying off.
New collectors are going to buy all stuff.
That was a great Father Ted episode. 😄
I saw some unreal stuff at a private collection in Pennsylvania near Gettysburg. So cool
That is actually a very interesting thought
@@lolopololocaI think we saw the same one you’re right
"What did Hermann Goring have for Breakfast ??" . . .
"Luftwaffles" . . .
As I understand it Erwin Rommel enjoyed a breakfast including Panzer Cakes.😁
All you can eat buffet
Soviet airforce got the borscht of him.
That pun even works in German: "Luftwaffeln" 😄
Icebombs!
Dr Felton. I have been a WWII buff all my life. If I hadn't gone into forensic science, I would have gotten my master's degree military history. This video is perhaps the most fascinating you have ever done. I never imagined that so much of these train cars would be in regular use into the 1970s and 80.
WHY? Other than being old, there is absolutely nothing remarkable about it. Lots of stuff built by Stalin and the Soviet Union generally is still around. Stalin is either the worst or second worst (behind Mao) guy of the 20 century. Mao is still on China's money. The party he took power with is still the government in China. Kim Il-Sung's subways are still in use and probably with the same cars.
Germany has much less physical history because it was destroyed during the war.
What a revelation this was! I sat on the same toilet seat as once used by Willy Brandt at a hotel in Trier, Germany (so the Innkeeper told me), and Willy no doubt sat on a chair once used by Hermann G. in that dining car! My butt is only once removed from the Reichs Marschall!
And the train, or at least part of it made it all the way to Moscow. Further east then its former owner ever got. 😂
Agreed, absolutely fascinating.
@@LerxstificationMy goodness. You may very well be the possessor of a famous bottom. Collectors will pay big money to have it their collection 😂😂😂
This channel is amazing. Thank you for all your hard work.
Great video ❤❤❤❤❤
"Porter! Goering is stuck in the tub again!"
😂😂😂 I imagine he tried it once and they had to get the butter
"OK, fetch the giant crowbar"
😅
@@sc1338"Dummkopf! You do not feed it to Herr Goering, you smear it on the sides of the bathtub!"
Grab the Hoist!!
This is truly fascinating and without this channel I wouldn't even have been aware of it because its never been mentioned elsewhere
The shootage accompanying the narration is incredible, would have thought that even the German state with full secret access to war archives could not have produced as relevant video. I don't know how you access them and that alone would be worth an entire video.
He could tell us, but then he'd have to shoot us.
Dr Felton makes WWII history much more interesting.
Dr Felton is indeed one of the best WW2 historians !
U mean Nazi history
On the subject of Göring's trains you may be interested to know that there is a 15 inch gauge locomotive, Black Prince, at the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway in Kent which previously belonged to the Reichsmarshall.
@jimhoade9265 - The Germans made some stout locomotives during WWII for sure. However, their best paled by comparison to the mighty Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 "Big Boy" locomotive. It had 16, 5 foot 8 inch diameter drive wheels, was over 100 feet long, weighed 1,200,000 pounds and had a top speed of eighty MPH! It had more power than 2 standard locomotives of its time. They were built by ALCO (American Locomotive Company) plant in Schenectady, NY. Check TH-cam for some great videos of the only one of 25 built that is still in operation. It has over 1,000,000 miles on it!
@@Loulovesspeed dude Big Boy is still the heaviest and strongest steam locomotive ever build.
It's like comparing them to a LNER A4 when it comes to speed.
@@LoulovesspeedBig Boy still runs today- I saw it in person 3 months ago
I am amazed at how you are able to research these details!. Amazing and Excellent!
I sat in his Mercedes Benz the Blue Goose in Marysville, Ohio. A collector in Dayton bought it in the early 90's from a Connecticut museum.
Is it still there?? Been through Marysville numerous times, never heard of it being there.
@@ffjsb Its now in Louisville KY in a private collection of pre-war Mercedes and Maybachs. Last I knew it was being restored. Very strange that another of the Big 3 cars was in Louisville for a short time. I worked for a man who owned Himmlers personal car. He bought it when the Palace Hotel and museum in Vegas had their auction in the late 90's. I got to drive it. It fealt "wierd".🤨 It was Green with black fenders.
You can buy stuff from a museum? What
@@jmac46951 I'm sure Himmler wasn't behind the wheel himself.
It was private and stolenn, his daughter try to get it back ! 😮
Bravo! I don't know where you keep coming up with great historical material.
Very nice informational videos. Enjoy all of them.
Another great video Makr!! Many many thanks for posting!
Mark, you do a great job. One of the best channels on YT.
Himler bunker was interesting
Please never stop producing these videos!
"Goring loved his food." No, really? What gave that away?
at least I'm not fat
To be fair being an addict to god know what prescribed by NAZI doctors, he was quite fit in WWI and the 1920's
His corpulence perhaps lol
Food and drugs.
His food, and your food.
Mark Felton's video shows up on notification and i am happy
Me too! Until the royal(Buckingham palace) tour lol...no it was very funny
Were these Pullman rail cars of American origin ?
its great to see that some of the history as survived, great video Mark
Man Göring knew how to get the most out of his position
But only for a short while.
"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his own soul?" - Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 8:36)
I wonder who did more drugs on that train, HG or Eric Clapton?
@@jone8626 True, he was shot near the femoral artery and almost died in the Beer Hall Putsch. The doctor who clandestinely patched him up loaded him up with a shitload of morphine and he was never able to kick the habit...among other vices.
@AddyHittler If you have a different understanding of reality than Jesus does I'll let you work that out with Him when you see Him.
@@truthseeker9454 thou shalt not kill.
This video surprised me. Much appreciated. I geek out biiiig time looking up these trains 😅
Thanks again Dr 🙏
The fact that their are still carriages AND Kriegsloc trains still around today blows my mind, very shocked that they have managed to keep them in such a good condition when you consider how much we have lost due to it being either stolen or repurposed over time. Great video as always Mark, please do keep up the great work!!!
There are kriegsloks in several European countries in tourist railways and museums.
There's one in field gray livery operational in The Netherlands. From time to time it hauls tourist trains between Apeldoorn and Dieren. It's engine number 52 3879
The BR 52 Kriegslok is Germany's most produced locomotive ever.
There are still quite a few around.
Greeting from Mannheim, Germany! 😀
The Kriegslok became the standard locomotive for several formerly-occupied countries after 1945 because they were basically left where they stood at the end of the war. When those countries came to rebuild their railways, it was one less thing to have to worry about.
They were from poor steel for the boilers and second-rate materials all over (fittings, flanges, pipes, bearings) that they were either dismantled or underwent a complete refit in the 1950s. With new boilers and items that had not been installed in the first place (smoke deflectors, water pre-heaters....) they served until the end of the steam era and then went into the hands of preservation societies or museums.
Thanks!
Continuing to educate us all weekend! Cheers, Mark!
Thanks Mark, always intriguing & just - excellent !
Awesome Work Dr. Felton. Greetings from Helsinki, Finland🇫🇮🇬🇧🇫🇮🇬🇧
1:31 I can't get past the Kriegsloks whistles, what a haunting sound from the past, leave it to Doc Felton to keep us up at night.
Completely understood.
First sound you hear on your "Vacation" East.
Haunting.... what a load of bollocks. Sounds like any other steam whistle.
The locos in the footage are no Kriegloks. And BR 52 are not especially powerful, just simplified BR 50s optimized for mass production.
Haunting? All old coal trains have whistles like that. We still have several in the U.S.
As a Locomotive Driver for the DB myself, it is realy interesting to see what happend to these Traincars. Thank you for keeping the history alive to every little part that contributed to it!
I like how you've documented the train carriage by carriage, including its present whereabouts and what happened after the war. In The Netherlands there's a BR 52 'Kriegslok' still wearing the field gray livery, has a bullet hole in the exhaust and is operational! From time to time it hauls tourist trains between Apeldoorn and Dieren. Maybe worth visiting the VSM heritage railway if you get the chance. Cheers!
Goring had an unbelievable WW1 airplane collection, many were the last one in existence. Love to see a Felton video about those which still survive.
He's done one! Check his video list from about a year, maybe two years ago. Goering's WW1 airplane collection is in Poland now.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 cool! Thanks man!
@@risinbison1106 You're welcome!
I love the look of hermann goering train and railway carriage
Nothing special for the wealthy
Lots of work put into these trains
Viele Dank Mark. Sehr interessant, wie immer. Greetings from SSW, 🇿🇦
I remember from a Dr. Felton video that Goering also had a large toy train set.
I think you could accurately say "goering also had a _______" and never run out of things.
Yes, it was called Bavaria
@@voiceofraisin3778 LOL good one!😂
That was his large toy train set😂
Thanks, Dr Felton!
Again, Dr Felton, you've astonished me with your research, fascinating 👏
Thank You Dr. Felton.
*Correction Mark, the Class 52 locomotive could pull the 15 armored carriages just fine. They need the extra one due to Göring's weight.*
*Bruh*
Churchill mostly traveled by boat, because he served as extra ballast for the ship.
@@forkthepork lmfaoo
verdamnt REichdonalds!
@360nomad 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Despite a large tub, HG used commendably little water.
He got in, the water got out.
I was going to say small tsunami. They probably had to mop everywhere.
Respect from São Paulo, Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷.
And from Seattle Washington!
Fascinating. I RAIL-ly liked this video, it was right on TRACK!
I’ve been watching Mark Felton’s videos for a few years now, I seem to come to the same question every time. How badly the German military treated prisoners and the people in concentration camps. That they thought it was just perfect for them to live in luxury Total disregard for human life.
Added note Mark does a great job at informing us! Keep up the great work!
Because the Nazis believed that those in the concentration camps were "sub humans" and that if you weren't German then you didn't deserve the same level of human rights.
Basically racism and anti semitism at its fullest
No different than any other conquerors throughout history. They ALL did the same things.
Has there been a government and military throughout history that didn't live in luxury while it's common citizens and soldiers sacrificed, or treated the enemies badly?
Lol same as every invader
they thought themselves as the 'Master Race'
Honey, I am just popping down to Walmart for milk. Do you have the keys to the train?
No but the train has the keys to the mart.
There is no Walmart in Germany
@@donpromillo141 Aldi then
@@donpromillo141 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@davidscott2821 You know the Story
Mate, your research is beyound outstanding.
We found Herman Görings train before GTA 6
Lmao excellent comment
They found it before GTA 1
Should come out with a WW2 edition called 'Grand Theft Train: Berlin' or GTTB.
@@otaku1524are you suggesting a grand theft auto game set in nazi germany⁉️
Nothing like spending a little time on Mothers day learning about Hermann Goring's Train, Thanx Mr Felton.
Yeah, other days suck
Another interesting video, thanks Dr. Felton
Goering look's pretty fit and trim in that cover portrait you're using. Must be how he saw himself. 🤣😊👍
Even when fat he got around very well as show in this video
Yeah. He seemed to have a lot of energy. I wonder if Hitler had died years earlier and he took over if he would have gotten in shape like he had to do after his capture
I think you are pronouncing Carinhall incorrectly. My father was born in Norway and named me Karen (CAR-in) when I was born. Since Hermann Göring's first wife was Swedish, her name Carin would probably be pronounced the same way as mine (I parked my 'CAR IN' the garage). That's how I tell people to pronounce my name. Basically, it's just like her name is spelled. In Norway, the R would be rolled.
I have been watching all of your videos to prepare for 2 upcoming trips to Germany, Austria, and the beaches of Normandy. I am learning SO MUCH!! I can't thank you enough for your invaluable research and presentations. Truly one of the best WWII history channels on TH-cam.
Goering's opulence rivals any other figure in history. The dude knew how to make himself comfortable...
"171 people/staff". Just for his personal train.
Oil money makes Goering look like a pauper.
Them Saudi Royals do it pretty big it seems 😂 solid gold cars, toilets, etc....
British Royal Family: Please hold my tea.
Living like a Rock Star🤘
Eric Clapton doing blow and jamming out in Gorings rail car. What a world we live in lol.
In terms of drug use, Clapton was a lightweight compared to Goering.
@@gringopig Absolutely not.
Thanks Mark, great post.
Excellent video and information.
The BR 52s kriegsloks must have been in front of these trains later on. In the first part of the film, the two locomotives in front of the military trains are of the type BR 56 ( possibly identification number for one of them 56 2611)
It woul be great to see original photos or videos with the type 52 locos in front of these trains.
Regards
Train nerds…
... either BR 56 or BR 58. The housing of the cylinder could be a clue to those engines.
If it were 56 2611, the loco later went on to the western part of Germany and was scrapped by October 1954. It was clearly not a 58 as the number series of the former Prussian G12 locomotives did not reach the 2600s.
It could also be 56 2671, which had a slightly longer lifespan, being scrapped in Rheydt in 1960.
Beautiful craftsmanship on show on these wonderful trains 👍
It's always good to watch history and see what was going on at that time youtube is the best you never get tired of this 👌
Mark.Thanks for providing my Sunday night entertainment!
This is incredible ! - as usual when it comes from Mark Felton.
Loving It.
1:21am..... 10:30 minute new upload , gotta watch that before bed!
Thanks for another great idea for a video, Dr Felton. Visiting the Kreigsloks in Bosnia was great.
Thanks Dr. Felton!
This channel is top notch. ❤. Such a incredible opportunity to learn about history from a great source. Thank you for all the amazing information and thank you for your talent at presenting all this in such a rich and beautiful way. Hello from British Columbia Canada
4:13 This shot of the man walking with Göring is Adolph Galland, a fighter ace. I always recognise his face, because that always reminds me of AngryJoe xD
Are they discussing where to get a squadron of Spitfires?
... and the shot of the man walking with Chancellor Willy Brandt is Günter Guillaume. His personal assistant who was arrested in 1974 for being a spy for the East German Stasi. Placing an operative so close to the head of govt. of the enemy (West Germany) was the biggest coup of East German intelligence ...
@@quintrankid8045 Well, yeah, after that Göring didn´t like Galland so much anymore, the Reason he treated the "Jagdflieger" later as Traitors and Cowards. Even dgrading Galland so he decided to lead JV 44.......so not to need to talk to "Meier" anymore,or, as less as possible.
Oh lord you are right! Hmmm. I believe Angry Joe is from Latin America, quite suspicious; are we sure we know who all his grandparents are?
Always fun and educational to watch your videos!!! Thanks for another great one!
Only the finest art,residences,uniforms,and morphine for Goering. I understand the need for an armored command train, but the opulence that he insisted upon is something that I find gross. It seems to have been a running theme amongst the Nazis. "We deserve it, so you pay for it." A theme that's alive and well to this day. Thanks for showing these relics Dr. Felton, well done. Cheers from the States.
Opiumlence?
@@jonaldous3446 Ha! Clever. I'm certain that that's the funniest thing that I will hear or read today. Thanks...clever always trumps sarcasm.
Yeah the Nazis would've been much more agreeable if not for the profligacy 🙄
@@FaustoTheBoozehound And here comes the troll to defend a bridge too far. Of course the totality of what and who the Nazis were and did is the lowest point of what humans have done in history. Their leaders insistence on luxury is just one of many layers of a disgusting onion that should make all eyes water. Ha! I made it across the bridge.
Just subscribed, you are a natural narrator and your video is very informative . 👌 🇬🇧
Many of Herman's wildlife conservation laws are still in place....
Wildlife conservation laws aren't for the wildlife. They've always been about making it impossible for people to live subsistence lifestyles.
Part of grand plans to drive peasants and people into the cities.
Various excuses used through the centuries but always with the same goal.
Isn't it a terrible shame that he thought more of animals than human beings.
Is that bad thing then, just becuause Goering introduced them?
If we put these wildlife into a special zoo, they will be called Herman’s Hermits with one signing, “I’m Henry the VIII I am!”
@@shengyi1701 That would be the elephant singing, right?
I have one of Goering’s Marklin toy trains that was purchased quite by accident
It's amazing that so much effort was put into destroying anything to do with the Nazis era after the war that these carriages managed to survive.
Really too bad,the destroy of Nazi stuff,its history,to remember no matter what the side people are.
Used by the allies generals
Why let luxury go to waste
You should do a video on Goring’s bunker built by the wolfs lair.
It's all shambles. Blown up by SS, when they retreated. I've been there.
Wow 171 people on the train. Like a small village... Another great video!
Very nice video 😊love your work❤
Glad it still exists. I dislike the mania with which some seek to erase any remnants of history they don’t like.
I'll tell you, if the people who lived through and were most affected by the Nazi era didn't have a problem with re-using trains, buildings, or anything else the top Nazis used I can't see why anyone born long after the era has any reason to eradicate all traces of the same. That's thinking with your glands, not your brains.
Good to hear that the post war government put these rail cars to good use and then offered them as museum pieces.
There is nothing wrong with retaining items from a defeated regime for display in the proper historical context. That's very different than the BS that took place in the American South which constructed memorials honoring treasonous confederate war criminals.
I know, right. It's like the story of the Compiègne Wagon.
Great stories as usual, Mr Felton.
Fascinating as always!
Hans Joachim Marseilles
The Yellow14 / ME109
Hands down undeniably the best to ever pilot a fighter. He is so extremely good he reminds me of Babe Ruth. He was an anomaly. He would ask his crewchief not to load his wing canons with ammo so to keep his roll rate quick. He always came back with most of his ammo anyway. Hed still get 1-5 kills..... He once flew over a British airfield and dropped hand written directions to a pilot hed just shot down. He was a natural mastet of deflection shooting. Its like he was born with a calculator in his head. Hed just tap his trigger and plsnes would fall. Hed always try to spare the enemy pilot, jusy shoot the plane up so theyll parachute out... this is mostly what happened. Once he shot a pilot and the pilot ended up in pow hospital and Joachim went everyday to check on him.
This Nazi, this hero of the riech, was best friends with a black guy....in Nazi Germany....at a party with Hitler there Hsns kept playing American Jazz records. "Black music" with Hitler there.
Dr.Mark i could go on for hours about the crazy anomaly of Hans Joachim Marseilles so i know you could really dive in and document this guy. If there were ever an honorable Nazi it was Joachim..
Please learn the use of the apostrophe in contractions. They exist for a reason!
Definitely someone we should know more about! Thank you!
Almost all of his kills were made in a Bf-109F, which had NO wing guns. He died due to an engine fault / failure of an early G model. He was not shot down and killed.
@@chriscarbaugh3936 thats right he was upset with the G model came out because it rolled slower and he died jumping from his cockpit, his body struck the tail end of his plane and he never used his shoot on thebway down. Atleast thats what ive read from other Luftwaffe pilots.
Tons of stories about that young man. Freaking legend. He played jazz at Hitlers party lol.... and schmoozing the base commander to use his car on dates. He dated alot of the film actresses for 1 or 2 days...but really his skill in 109s is what stood out to me. He was different.
The Knights Cross of the Iron Cross with oakleaves swords and diamonds.
@@SpeccyMan i learned that in school, i chose not to use them online because its a waste of space and i trust other literate readers to decipher the mysterious text.
Very interesting Dr Felton. That Kriegslok engine is a true beast. Also, I wonder if Clapton knew what car he was using?
It's a testament to how well designed and built these rail cars were that they remained in use for decades and are still around to this day.
Being someone who enjoys trains, those trains would be cool to ride in
I think I'd pass due to the creepiness/known history factor. Each to his own, however.
@@NVRAMboi you do have a point🤨
It would be cool to ride in those trains. (Rearranged so the preposition isn't at the end of the sentence!)
That would be cool!!!!
@@chickenpommes19 oh well😕
Absolutely fascinating, Dr. Felton. Thank you.
Another well done video. Eric Clapton rode in one of the cars.
He’s going off the rails on a crazy train! 😵💫
0:36 was that Shultz getting off the train?
Schultz ??, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love your content is refreshing
He needed a special bathtub installed to accommodate his 'girth' 😆😆😆
is that how you say "fat ass" in German?
@@rossr6616 Ja.
Dr Felton, thank you for this video. Your voice and your accompanying music sets the stage for those horrific times in History when humanity ceased in Germany. Göring’s “Art collection must have been looted from the homes of those deported. He never impressed me as being sophisticated enough to even have an opinion of fine art. I pray the art has been returned to the rightful owner’s families. Great video!
The fact that Goring causally surrenders himself with his family to an Allied checkpoint is something to think about. The dude was dangerously charismatic
Thanks for this video. I had no idea these cars still existed. You're the best!
I watched the last video on Goring’s train just a few hours ago and this suddenly comes up?? Amazing timing
Always perfection in your informative and historical videos, Congratulations on your archival work,👍👏😎
I see Mark Felton I watch & punch the like button. I also share.
Oh wow, man! That's like, cosmic!!
@@revvyhevvy Only a Robert could come up with a comment like that 😉
Great video Mark as a life long rail historian it is good to see these preserved how about the funeral train of Winston Churchil a lot of history there .
An armored Pullman car used by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the "Roald Amundsen" is on display at a museum in Scottsdale, Arizona in the United States. The car has everything required for the passengers to travel in comfort and security.
@BELCAN57: If I am not mistaken, Roosevelt did like to be on Ship´s as he was with the Navy. But as a President he couldn´t be so much Time away from Duty, so he decided to go with the Train as much as possible, he described it as the 2nd best Solution of Travel Feeling to a Navy Ship. In the Movies " Wind of War" with Robert Mitchum is a Scene based on that.....
Thanks for the tip! I just went and saw it. The museum is pretty neat and free to the public. There is a lack of English translations, but there is some. Also, the train is on the bottom floor near the entrance/exit.
The original video about Nazi trains mentioned that Goering was a huge railway enthusiast, and Carinhall had a 4,000 square foot model train setup that he loved to show to guests.
Great video as usual, thanks Mark
Dr. Felton's trains always run on time. Happy Mother's day
Mother’s Day is in March.
@@AtheistOrphan He means the US Mother's Day, as designated by Woodrow Wilson.
Just a little addon info:
The engines shown at 1:26 are not the wartime engines mentioned and shown a bit later - they are old prussian P8 passenger engines (a type of 4-6-0 engine that was really successful in Germany and a few eastern europe countries).
The two engines shown still running today are not in Germany but in Bulgaria (or Romania, i am a bit unsure) - they indeed are Class 52 wartime engines. Originally designed to run at max 7-10 years they were quite successful and were in service at many railway companies right up to the end of steam traction. E.g. the GDR did rebuild 250 of these engines to class 52.80 and used them up until the end of the GDR. Poland had them as Ty2 (I think) and various other eastern european countries did use them as well - even the soviet union rebuild some of them to fit their wider gauge and used them - one of these is in Speyer on display today.
The engines at 1:26 are quite certainly not former Prussian P8s (Baureihe 38). They're looking like Kriegsloks to me, possibly 52 guessing by the sand containers on the boiler tube.
Similar ones are shown at 1:47 which have the characteristic semi-cylindric bath tub tenders which were designed for simplified, faster production. Those tenders were combined with P8 locomotives sometimes - particularly after the war.
@@michaelburggraf2822 look closely the dome configuration is prussian the smoke box is typical for prussian configurations and they are way to short for class 52, also the boiler is to short. I think I can at least spot a leading axle which would make them P8/class 38, the other engines with that boiler config do not have leading axles (G8, G10, T16). Also the cab is open and not the norwegian style the class 52 features which is enclosed. The engines at 01:31 are of course class 52.
To be clear: I am talking about the engines in the bw footage in front of the train.
Edit: I reviewed the section again - and also the tender absolutely does not fit a class 52, not even a class 50ük which I thought could be possible, but especially look at the first engine - you can even see the typical design of the prussian tender, also looking at the first engine the sand containers would be much less prominent on a 52 - it is the boxy design of the prussian engines. I am however irritated by the fact that the tender seems to have a wall like DRG designs.
On the other hand the air pressure tank does neither fit a class 50, 50ük or 52. It also does not fit the typical setup of the P8. The G12 would have a arrangement like that, but the tender typically did not have a front wall (although there were so many versions of that engine that it is quite possible that there were engines with a tender wall). the class 50/52 family had them across the wheelbase and not alongside the walkway (I think a few had one on the driver side as far as I know). I am by no way sure that they are P8, but I am pretty sure they are not class 52 - and especially the tender and the dome arrangement of the first one do look very prussian to me.
@@kayneahnung3661 I'm beginning to think that it's one of the several variants of the BR 56, 57 or 58. The form of the housing of the cylinders is quite suspect and pointing in that direction.
To be honest the sequence around 1:26 is really difficult to analyse.
The P8 was a great design but certainly too weak for that task. For that load some proper pulling force is needed especially on inclined sections.
@@michaelburggraf2822 yes I agree on the 38/P8 being to weak. The engine itself fits the 58/G12 very well - only the wall at the tender is strange - but there were so many G12 Variants - its quite possible there were some with a Wall. Also the G12/58 would be the fastest of the ones you mentioned. So I agree on your guess
When Mark uses an exclamation point you know it's important. He doesn't use them as haphazardly as others do. Top of the Muffin to You!
They’re just STUMPS! 😡
Thanks, Mark. Your videos and you “walk on water.” In my sphere, this means one has leave at any time to show up, announced or not. Cheers.
Dr mark felton you never disappoint us in your educational and informativs videos pls do continue sir❤
I was born and raised in Bonn, "Haus der Geschichte" is one of my favorite History Museums. (IT'S ADMISSION FREE AND WELL WORTH THE VISIT!)
It educates about the history of the Federal Republic of Germany (it has been reorganized to show history of the GDR, too) so it starts more or less at the end of WWll and shows in detail how the situation after the war was and the different developments in society, politics under occupation and economics from then on. Like all museums of this kind in Germany, it is brutally honest and does not romanticise anything.
It also has changing exhibitions, which often highlight specific aspects of pop culture or politics and political scandals.
The train car sits on tracks downstairs, in a tunnel connecting the underground station "Heussallee/Museumsmeile".