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- In this week's episode I go outside and mess around with nets, 1/2 grid cloth and a 4 x 8 floppy cutter. Not everything went as planned but I think the educational content is still there even if the results could use just a tad more polish!
Note: I say about one and two stops of light loss for single and double nets. There is a lot of variation amongst manufacturers. I'm mostly referring to the nets from Westcott for their larger frames. Matthews claims about a 1/2 stop for their singles and 1 stop for their double. I have found that they are closer to just over 1/2 for the single and about 1.2 stops for the double.
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Other manufacturers are different. Some singles only have about 3/4 stop and double only about 1.2 stops of light loss. Kind of like 1/2 grid cloth which is definitely not 1/2 stop of light loss and there seems to always be some variation between different manufacturers.
BTW, don't even get me started on ISO in cameras!
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I dunno. The double net kinda makes the background look weird.
Yeah too dark. The light values look too flat, too muddy.
As far as I know Green is -1/2 stops and Red is -1 stop
i find the double net to be unnatural.
Did not like the lighting on this at all. It looked disturbing.
Absolutely you are lacking contrast with this set up and the colors are DULL.
PhotoZen I acknowledge that there were a lot of factors that changed from when I started the video. Instead of scrapping the whole thing I decided there was still some value in keeping the content based on the "why" behind using this stuff.
@@theC47 I prefer using the scrim when using flash where the punch of the light saturating the sensor will bring me back the contrast , however I understand for video using the available light (harsh sun) is a different story, thank you for the effort you put in the video, and I hope my comment was not harsh nor blunt, I just wrote what I sensed, thanks again..!!!
@@photozen8398 The light was beautiful when I started and I generally use natural or continuous light. I don't use strobes or speedlites for video, of course. Thansk for watching.
I think I don't like how the Bobbinet not only lowers exposure but also reduces the contrast, looks too unnatural with those lifted blacks
Yeah. Nets are awesome but they, like all solutions, have their negatives as well. It like nets as they are like ND for the world. Not perfect though. I'm planning to shoot a new version of this video when the sun comes out again in my neck of the woods. Thanks for watching!
If I am not mistaken a single net cuts about half a stop and the double net cuts one stop of light.
rgesualdo It depends on manufacturer. I believe Matthews Road Rags double net is 1.2 stops. Some are more. Some are less. I should have said about 1/2 - 1 stop for singles and 1.2 - 2 stops for doubles. Westcott's nets for their Scrim Jim Cine frames (which theC47 Book Light and DP Kits are based on), are rated at one and two stops for their single and double nets per their web site.
Agreed. I wanted to show it to my students but this prevented me from sharing.
Excellent. Wondered about using nets to dim over-ex backgrounds on exteriors for a while. Thanks
Lighting can be really complicated
This is great advice. Thanks for taking the time to shoot, edit, and post this. Genuinely.
Thanks Corey!
At 4:04 You indicate you're waiting for comments on what the viewer notices at this point. To my eyes, the netted background is subtly darker than in the previous shot. Did a gust of wind cause the netting behind you to shift from perpendicular to a sharper angle -- thus reducing (slightly) the amount of light coming from the background? Thanks for this video. I'd assumed that a much larger netted frame was required for modifying a background. It's great to see such a small setup used to great effect.
This was really interesting to watch as someone who doesn't know anything including the terminology. Thank you for the perseverance to finish it out and share your knowledge. I can't understand all the opinions and criticism, if someone can't grasp the difference between an explanation video and one that's intended to be perfectly executed then so be it but please continue to produce these because for the rest of us they are really helpful!
Great video... thanks. All of this grip stuff is pretty expensive, so I usually end up using foam board, bed sheets, etc. and other DIY stuff. Maybe you could do a video for the DIY'ers out there.
Man.... you never know what you don’t know. I’ve only been producing content for the last 3-4 years and I’m constantly looking for controlling light (especially outdoors) and I’m so glad I came across this tutorial. Thank you so much!
Do you have a suggestion for a bundle of flags and stuff like this? Like if I were to shoot outdoors and I’m the only operator on location, is there a kit that I have to have?
Matthews Road Rag Kit.
Bi-Plane flyover... You missed the perfect chance to do a quick scene from North by Northwest!
Love all your movie references!
This is so great! New knowledge for me. Thank you!!!!
Thank you for this video. However you could have shown us the whole setup with the subject present so that we could see where the sun is and where have you placed the nets, diffusion and floppy.
Unfortunately for this video I did not have time. There were a number of technical issues (mainly with Mother Nature), that day and I was working solo. I made the decision to post the video anyway despite my wanting to have better BTS and even stronger examples of before/after results.
Great tut!! That fly on your shoulder was getting it's 15 seconds of fame huh?
I love double nets.
So useful in production and not used enough IMHO.
Nice episode.
Learned something new thanks! That autofocus on the camera though 😖😖😖
Yeah. Happens sometimes when you are solo.
The C200 has quite the overzealous AF
I love using the LEFT and RIGHT arrows at 3:55 to 4:00. Simple, effective, pleasant. Excellent work and thanks for showing us your process!
What do you mean b y LEFT and RIGHT arrows?
On my keyboard. I’ll park the frame at 3:55 (no flags, unshaped) and then hit RIGHT, which jumps to 4:00 and a frame of your handiwork (light being cut beautifully) and then i’ll hit LEFT. It just gives a nice “A/B” or “Before & After”.
@@thetravisgreene Ahhh! Gotcha. Thanks for watching!
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And if that doesn't work because the timing is off, I rely on the < or > keys (actually, just the period and comma keys) to go frame by frame. :)
Glad this is still posted. Hit a lot of basics I have been curious about as I plan my first attempt at decent outdoor filming. Much appreciated.
Planes and bugs! You had a little friend on your shoulder that wanted some air time too. LOL! Great video Jem.
Erik Naso Little critters! Thanks Erik.
Just found this channel. This is the first video I've seen. I like your attitude my man!...and the knowledge you are sharing. Gonna be diving deeper. Thank you
Thanks!
Nice video, thanks for this!
Thanks for this! Thanks for the links as well.
Sure thing!
1:40 - NOPE! The GREEN scrim is called a “SINGLE” and will take the light down a HALF STOP.
The RED scrim is called a “DOUBLE” and will take the light down a FULL STOP
Meran Smileyy Thanks for the all caps and explanation points. It depends on the manufacturer and the material they use. Matthews is .6 and 1.2 and Westcott is more. It should all be standard but unfortunately it’s not.
Using a net, the contrast ratio is reduced making the bg washed out because the black net material reflects a slight amount of light. ND Gel would be a solution to eliminate that. Most just use a stronger ND in the box as a simpler alternative.
Marcus Ryan Thompson Not the purpose of this application. Purpose is to bring exposure of BG down to balance FG and BG. Other suggestions are valid for different applications. This is about ratios related to foreground and background exposure.
theC47 How would you compensate for the black levels being slightly raised from the sun lit net fabric?
Marcus Ryan Thompson Originally I was OK because I started shooting earlier in the day and the levels weren’t as raised. It was a solo effort and there were some other technical issues that day. Time of day is the big factor. If you have a larger crew you could also flag with large runs of duvetyne. 20x20. Not possible in this scenario. Rotating the net may have helped slightly from an angle standpoint as well.
Perhaps an unwieldy sheet of rigid Cinegel. But wrangling the usual sheets on a rigged frame in any amount of wind is dufficult...and noisy.
Unnatural and uninspired!
Thanks Phil. Your “positive” comments are really appreciated.