Fiorenzato Pietro Manual Flat Burr Grinder Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we'll be taking a closer look at the Fiorenzato Pietro Flat Burr Hand Grinder, a manual coffee grinder designed for maximum comfort and efficiency. Shop: alternativebrewing.com.au/pro... Equipped with 58mm vertical flat burrs made with Bohler M340 steel, this grinder produces consistent grinds at any setting, without creating unwanted fines.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Fiorenzato Pietro Manual Flat Burr Grinder Review
01:00 Key Features
01:48 58mm Flat Burrs
03:30 Grind Dial
03:56 Grind Settings
05:00 Grinding Performance
07:49 Retention
13:22 Grinder Comparison Results
15:08 Limitations
16:27 How to Disassemble
17:22 Summary
One of the most innovative features of the Pietro Flat Burr Grinder is the retractable lever, which provides enhanced user comfort and allows the grinder to remain compact. With the lever positioned on the side, users can take advantage of gravity to keep the grinder stable while resting their other hand on top of it.
This ergonomic design also makes it easy to clean, as the burrs detach and attach with ease. The grinder comes with multipurpose burrs but can be swapped out for filter burrs if you're exclusively grinding pour-overs.
The airtight hopper lid keeps your beans fresh up to the last moment, and the anti-slip base prevents the grinder from moving away when in use. If you're looking for a high-quality manual coffee grinder that combines comfort, efficiency, and durability, the Fiorenzato Pietro Flat Burr Hand Grinder is definitely worth considering.
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*ADDED NOTE:* I counted ~170 revolutions to grind 18g of espresso beans... It is comfortable grinding at a speed of 120rpms. ... any slower than that - it'll take quite a while.
Yet I still see people compliant about how Jmax is difficult to work with. That only takes me 30-40s for a 20g shot, from light to dark roasts.
We shall see how this stands up to the new sculptors, since 064s is 300usd and 078s is 500usd for the KS deal.
I do think the beans feeding rate into the grinders is very slow, allowing for the handle to feel comfortable and not too much work, but a lot slower than my 1zpresso jxpro. It'll take 30-35 seconds with that grinder to tackle 18grams espresso size.
I think however, in the next iterations of the Pietro or others brands, the design would be more practical and nicer. It has quite a lot of potential having a flat burr hand grinder... I'd love to have one for my occasional pour over.
Same calculations here: about 180 revolutions on average depending on coffee. Never felt hard but far from being the fastest hand grinder in town. I also use Comandante and JX. Sure the JX is great and (much) faster, but the cup profile is quite substantially different. The JX now tends to remain tucked in its carry case, while I have left my Comandante set for pour overs. Pietro used daily here for espresso. The upcoming baseplate should make it even more confortable to grind with.
Additional finding. Don’t know if it’s the same for you but I found that big clicks usually generates a 6 to 7,5/8 second difference in a 18g shot. Haven’t had to use the in between notches settings yet (I usually keep setting and increase to 18.5g as coffee looses freshness).
Another point: Pietro has confirmed to me by email that pro burrs will be available to purchase separately my end of may.
@@jslanfranchi Hi. well if you have the jx it's possible to have 5-8 secs gap in espresso shot time. With the jx pro, which is the one I have, its more 1-2 secs difference, sometimes less with very freshly roasted coffee sometimes more coffee has more than 1 month from roasting day. I agree that the baseplate would be great. Nice to see how does pro burrs will behave with espresso.
And here we see the beginning of the manual flat burr hand grinder craze.
Oh, dang it, I'm already sick with it... Where can I get one??
Yes please
@@DucksNuts. Be the hype that you want to see in the world
This is not a B-modal burr. This is actually an M-modal burr. As you can see, there are only 4 major big cuts on the burr, 4 --> M modal, 8 --> B modal. And such a nice video to explain a burr designed for filter coffee is really good for espresso 🙃
Well spotted! I haven't tried the M-modal burr on espresso yet but now you made we want to do just that! ;-)
Wow! Ok, thanks for that!! Had not been aware of this! I was under the impression these were the B-burrs , and these were the ones shipped to us. Might have to change somethings. Much appreciated.
@@AlternativeBrewing haha, now please tell us the truth, does the best cup of coffee really come from the Pietro grinder with filter burr?
I have a Pietro manual flat burr grinder and I really love it. I live out in the country and we sometimes have power outages so I was looking for a good hand grinder. It was expensive but the shipping and import fees were included in the price, so it is sort of comparable to more high end hand grinders. I have the multipurpose burrs but mine is coated so it is black, the burrs are great and it does do surprising cups. I would highly recommend it if your situation allows.
Thanks for posting, this is seriously something of interest to me
Glad it was helpful!
Great vid ! Very informative. I got the Pietro, and understand the critique about grind setting limitations, however I found on the opposite that it was very quick and easy to dial in. Sure not suitable for someone needing micro adjustment to the second, but much easier to dial (and go back and forth) than my 1Zpresso (which will cover ´y need if ever it’s a question of 8 microns) and Comandante. It is to be noted that this was purchased for my manual lever setup where I have more control. My take may be different if it was for my machine.
Like you I found the cup profile to be delightful, not lacking in body compared to conicals, and with great clear flavors. And that is what matters the most.
Grinding is easy, although long - longer than Comandante - and sometimes challenging to avoid the base from wobbling. These are the two biggest improvement areas I would like to see addressed.
Cleaning / disassembling is a breathe and pleasure. And being told pro brew burrs would be available separately at some point. Build quality is on par with price. All in all, I am thrilled with this purchase.
How does it compare with your other hand grinders? Are you doing filter or espresso coffees?
@@MH-go1md hi, doing both but I am more espresso focused. Comparing to the other hand grinders it’s different. It’s the slowest to grind a 18g dose (1Zpresso is the fastest, then Comandante, then Pietro but I am also not used to it so take it with a grain of salt as it is not same mouvement). It’s also, and that is purely subjective, the best tasting. The others produce very nice body, but the Pietro is definitely replacing my Comandante for espresso as the flavors shine more clearly, and setting / cleaning is miles better. All of them are great and I would be happy with any, so there are no wrong options. Haven’t done filter with it yet (waiting for the pro brew burrs to be available, and Comandante is already set for my filter routine so…). Sorry, difficult to tell you.
One thing I know is that I prefer it to my Eureka electric grinder. Probably the slower RPM, and different burr geometry. I am also biased to hand grinders so… hope this helps !
@@jslanfranchi what is the best overall setting on the c40 for a pour over in your opinion?
@@LilyWillow22 depends on so many factors. Coffee, taste, brewer, recipe, paper/filter used, and obviously personal preferences and tastes. Comandante recommends in the region of 25 clicks (regular clicks, double for red clix) if memory serves me well. I tend to start a little lower then adjust, but I am not an expert !
Longer than Comandante? Dang, that takes lots of elbow grease
So you prefer this thing over the C40 and 1Zpresso (k series I assume) but IMHO it all comes down to preference, not only in taste but other many aspects. Pietro looks solid but highly doubt it to be as durable as the C40. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And taste wise, i find a ZP6 or even Kplus to be as good in the cup as the best flat burrs I've tried. It's not like flats are superior. Just different. I've seen cases where people picks conicals over flats for certain applications in a double blind test. That's perfectly valid.
Another quite important aspect is that this grinder is crazy expensive for a bench/manual grinder. Yeah I know that it's well built and everything but at this price point it's difficult to justify the cash when there are so many options available, with great quality, powerful motors and interesting features.
For me, conicals do the trick pretty well on a dayly basis and since I've been using some sifting I'm able to fine tune my PSD to make it narrower or multi modal, etc
Thanks for reviewing it, I’ll have it on my to get list for some time but waiting for the base to be available in june/july as they verified it should be available at.
The burrs are interchangeable they offered a special offer at the last coffee festival in Holland if you bought it at their boot you get both burrs with your grinder.
Burrs will also be available for purchase later this year.
While I probably won’t bother grinding espresso by hand, the results looked promising. Hopefully you also review the brew burr later on.
Great review - very thorough and well thought out!
Thank you kindly!
What initially interested me in this unit, was that it was a clear step away from a "travel" grinder to a home grinder.
A review ive been looking forward to! I want fiorenzato to include a bench clamp for this thing so that it takes some of the work out of it. Otherwise looks impressive!
I agree 100%
I liked this review. Somehow I can feel related to the workflow and tasting. Like you're not in a rush to read from a prepared sheet or to throw as many words and visuals at the viewer. Balanced information in a not distracting and relaxed flow. Appreciate it.
I would like to know, what were the other two shots, because if you found out which one is the shot of the review, you ignore the benchmarks that you've used to set the comparison.
Also, I would appreciate maybe a once-a-week or once-a-month video with blind comparisons of similar categories of grinders. Whenever a new and promising grinder comes out - make a comparison. This way with every next comparison you'll verify your previous picks and conclusions and will provide a more complex benchmark for the newcomer grinders.
Thank you, and "Hello" from Ukraine!
Thank you so much!
The heavy bodied shot was the Eureka Mignon, the clean and bright shot from the Kinu Simplicity.
That’s a fantastic idea regarding follow-up comparisons! I have a mental map of flavour profiles in my head, but would be great to review these every now and then. Thanks for the input 🫶
This review really had me finally subscribe. I try not to subscribe to too many. Loved your honesty and reactions. Amazing! I'd love to get this but I don't need a new grinder yet :(. When my Baratza Settle goes, I'll likely repair it. But now I have a reason to sell it and then go for this beautiful flat burr hand grinder :)!
Wow! thanks so much 🫶 Thanks for subscringing ! and 100% would perform better than the Sette, although a little more work 😀
I am learning how to tweak the Pietro Grinder, but it seems to be great.
That was fun to watch. Nice job.
Thanks 👍
thanks for the video
No worries!
Looks interesting, If my ROK ever gives up the ghost, I'd consider it.
Hey someone who actually shows how it is and sounds to grind the beans. Very informative. Usually youtubers cut that out
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video - and seriously considering this one. Would have loved to see a Pour Over demo as well. But it sounds as if it will do the job
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I’d do the PourOver comparison with Pro burrs for sure!
@@AlternativeBrewing do you stock the other pro burrs? Or is that included? I couldn’t find anything online and a little confused.
It reminds me of my childhood days pencil sharpener 😅
bahahaha! So true
Yes!!
Great review, I know what you mean when you say the hand holding the grinder down gets tired, the HG-1 is the same way.
Right on
if you really need it portable i guess this is pretty good, otherwise for an additional 100-200 you have something that is significantly better
Lance Hedrick asked them to create a base for the grinder to help with the stability on the table
Very curious about this. Lance Hedrick posted a picture recently including a base for better stability when grinding, but I'm not clear on whether that will be included when the grinders ship or whether that's an aftermarket accessory (on an already very expensive hand grinder). He did say that it will be easy to change between the two burr sets, and I saw at least one vendor that's listing the burrs separately as an $83 USD add on. But I don't know if the swap process will be so easy that it wouldn't be annoying to do on a regular basis.
We already have stock of Standard burr Grinders - with no information about the base coming anytime soon. .. I would hope maybe in the next shipment, and not too more expensive.
Had tried to remove burrs to isolate them, though from a consumer standpoint - not practical, with springs that pop out under the handle and tools that are required that don’t come with the grinder.
Interested in seeing how other retailers offer this- is it just OEM or are they swapping them out on order… Unlikely the latter.
Also, very much looking forward to @lancehedrick review! I know he’s spoken highly of the performance of the PRO burr. The standard burrs are great, would love to test the PRO.
It’s an additional purchase that should be available sometime in June or July from their purchase page and later on at various resellers.
The burrs are interchangeable they had a campaign where you get both burrs if you bought it at their boot at the dutch festival.
@Alternative Brewing are you sure you know how to remove the burrs? It's not that difficult. Need a hex key and wrench. No springs
NOW, what setting for the grinder?
Excuse me? It's around the same price as simplicity? That's kind awesome for a flat burr manual grinder.
A close cost yes ~ around $600 aud.
can't wait when mahlkonig release manual grinder in the future
😂 I know right! Seriously how many Grinders have actually been released in the 6 months it's CRAZY!
Won’t be cheap though if they do
Hi, is it a full body metal build grinder including the handle and hopper ? thank you.
Yes, it is full metal construction. There are some plastic parts, but these do not make up any of the components in the structure of the Grinder.
I’m wondering about two sound factors. The first one is from before I watched the video: Do you reckon the vibration of grinding echoes through your worktop? E.g., my gf sometimes handgrinds holding the 1zpresso down on the worktop and to me it’s like nails on a blackboard…
The second sound question arised when watching this video. Around 6:29, what’s the clicking sound when grinding? Is that from the grinder, shirt, or just the microphone picking up something you didn’t notice in the moment?
I vibrates quite a lot. I would say it is louder than any other hand grinder - as this vibration will reverberate through the bench. That clicking sounds, I'm pretty such is beans skipping in the grinds chamber. Pop-corning basically, with nowhere to go.
I love the new color palates. Do you think you’ll ever carry other colors on your website?
We’d like to yes 👍
Do you know if each revolution of the crank translates to one revolution of the burrs? If not then the rpm calculation may not be correct.
To my knowledge it is yes. I don't see any gears involved - seems a very direct ratio 👌
Great video. Do you think it would make same big difference for V60?
Yes I suspect the texture of the Filter Coffee would also be very interesting. I often find parallel with flavour profiles when comparing the espresso and the filter. This would be no exception - exciting as often texture is the one thing missing from a delicious, yet still clean filter coffee.
I was very curious about this one, but the price and the lack of ergonomics seems a deal breaker for me
Does seem like it needs a base although supposedly that’s coming?
I’m sure we’ll see more of these, possibly smaller, less top heavy ones too.
That's my hope for sure 👌
Thanks for the review!
How would sitting down and supporting it on the knee while grinding work? Or would you still recommend a table/ flat surface?
Risk of making a mess without a screw on catch cup.
@@bowieknife oooh, that was an obvious one if I’d payed attention to the part where he mentioned the magnets 🤣 cheers!
I’d recommend the table. I do believe a base will be available for it. Aftermarket though.
@@AlternativeBrewing adding an aftermarket base on top of the price may be a hard sell but it’s fun that it exists and I do hope more new stuff keep coming. God knows we need more grinders to choose from 🤣
What was that you cleaned the burrs with in spray can?
It was, yes. A quick spray of compressed air
Could you swap the burrs with SSP 58mm high clarity burrs?
Thanks !
I like your t-shirt. May I know where I can buy one, please?
For better overall taste, Pietro Grinder or Comandante C60, which one should i choose? (Filter and espresso)
I’m going the Pietro on this one 🙌
@9:24 I would like to know, what one next full step set on the dial would result in what time difference. With my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ one marked step up or down would result in an _eight_ seconds brewing difference to achieve the same 18 g IN and 36 g OUT.
How much difference can be set by setting it to the next full step? Thank you ;-)
By the way, I am not really optimistic that the bandwidth of this grinder would be sufficient for me to dial in very different espresso coffees. I mean, on my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ the time difference between whole numbers is about 24 seconds. Quite a lot.
I had coffee that needed to be ground on 2 whereas other espresso needed the 6 as a setting to run properly within a 25 to 35 seconds range to get the 18 IN 36 OUT recipe working correctly. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think this grinder might not have been invented to be espresso-only or better suitable for espresso.
@15:39 [UPDATE] Actually, you are now confirming what I think I spotted right away when you showed me the grinding differences of the Turkish and Espresso…
Sorry, but at that price point, this is a no-go for me.
🫶 Yes 100% exactly what you're suggesting. I found at times the process of dialing in Espresso, the magnification of adjustment was too large (at this price point) - and like you, have coffees that require vastly different grind settings and this is a concern.
The difference in a few examples was 8 seconds between a single adjustment.
@@AlternativeBrewing So, you mean between single notches, not clicks? This would be too narrow for my coffee experimenting…
Thanks a lot for the answer, this helps a lot - _not_ to storm to the next retailer and thinking of an _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ replacement ;-)
Sorry, that's my confusion there. Two notches (one click/step) equalled 8 seconds, however 1 notch didn't always end in ideal results either.
Hi, thank you for this review, very informative! I'm thinking of buying one for making espresso with my Mara X machine but not sure which option should I pick - multipurpose or pro brewing? Are there other options except for these two?
Hi, they are advertising the multi purpose to be more efficient for espresso. At this point these are the ones I have so can’t speak about the pro brew (which are said to be more filter/slow brew oriented)
@@jslanfranchi Thank you for reply! I'm considering buying one as my first ever grinder but not sure if that is the right choice. This video review bought me and also must say it looks very well made. Would you recommend it considering that I have no experience with grinders so far and the price it goes for?
@@user-ss9ri1lp6h this is a very tricky question. In all honesty if you are looking for a first hand grinder for espresso I would question committing this amount. It does have flaws or negatives (that matter more to some), but on the other hand is really great cup and build quality plus easy (for me) to dial. Another good option would be to go with a cheaper 1Zpresso (like JMax) to get started, then upgrade down the line. You need to be sure hand grinding is for you (morning workflow matters. Sometimes more than getting a little better tasting profile). The Mara will deserve a good grinder anyway, but wether it is electric or manual is a question only you can answer (I have an electric grinder for these mornings where hand grinding is not what I need 😂).
@@jslanfranchi Thanks once again for your opinion and advice! I think I'll give it a chance and hope I'll love the workflow as much as the looks, and that a little bit more preparation time will be worthwhile.
In my experience, a little bit more preparation time always pays off 👌
Was this pietro grinder the only hand grinder which using flat burr? Or are there any flat burr hand grinders than this?
Only 💯 very interesting
What’s the price? Is it worth the price?
These burrs don't seem to be fixed by screws but in some other way, which makes me wonder, I guess that already means that other burrs from 3rd parties will be a no-go, what about aligning the burrs, though?
You can’t use burrs not designed for hand grinders anyway, people already tried that and it requires way to much torque and you can’t do enough resolutions to make them work properly.
Lance has been over the probrew burrs, like on Ode V2 burrs so I think those will be fine as is.
These are proprietary burrs for sure. I wasn’t successful at removing the burrs unfortunately, however, the burr carriers do appear like you can remove the burr and add some aluminium to help with alignment 👍
These are 'blind' burrs, they are fixed with 2 hex screws from the backside. There's a little hole next to the release switch where you can fit a 2,5mm hex key to unscrew the burr. It takes around 5 minutes to change both of them. No aligning is necessary.
Which Burr Set for AeroPress?
Either honestly will do wonders - but perhaps the Filter Burr set will be slightly more to the Aeropress brew method 🫶
Looks nice, but I was expecting that with the look and size of that machine and vertically rotating crank arm, that you'd be able to grind your coffee beans in under 45 seconds, rather than 1:15.
@5:00 Well, there is of course and obviously one _huge_ advantage - you could grind your coffee under water…
Show me that with _any_ other grinder…
I like your excellent content, nice find this flat burrs hand grinder. Looks somewhat wobbly while grinding though. See you ;-)
Challenge accepted 😂 Thanks so much for watching
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The secret? It is a 100% Canephora (Robusta) that has been as carefully processed in a local coffee washing-machine as they would normally do with Arabica coffee.
It is stunning, - give it a try. By doing so, you are supporting local African farmers that are treated with respect for their hard work ;-)
I always thought that I am very much a 100% Arabica person because I doubt strange coffee blends, but I never expected to be so impressed by a coffee variety that “is generally known to be inferior”…
It is not. You can experience the whole warmth of the African continent in-there.
Well, I admit that warmth or even heat is no point in Australia - but in Germany, in winter times, I am afraid, it very much is. Enjoy… ;-)
Nice review. Keep camera on manual focus. When you have a grinder that produces uneven grinds, with fines, you will get a more complex flavor profile, and you have to manage the contact time (pre-infusion) of the water more to reduce acidity. Your results were predictable, given the grinders and burrs you were using.
Thanks for the tips!
Being a side handle, is there an option to reverse crank direction for left hand grinding?
YOu'd just have to be turning it towards you if it were done on the LHS, as opposed to pushing it away from you.
I was waiting for this grinder but purchased a z1 presso a month or so ago. I think it is over priced because you can buy a motorised unit for the same price. A hand grinder should be substantially cheaper. I also see some engineering issues. These revolve around the manual grinding. The base is too narrow and too short, and the handle on the side of the unit exploits these issues to make the unit unstable. If the handle was placed in top of the unit, as it traditionally has been done, both these issues would not have arisen.
Low rpm heats coffee less. Big for lighter roast espresso
Ah yes the extreme workout to come in the morning hand grinding light roasts
😂 for the love of good coffee !
That base should be more pyramid shaped. That instability doubles your effort and hand strain. I foresee a 3D printed solution.
I always played with the thought of buying a manual grinder for 400€ and get a real high quality coffee grind for that
But at the required time to grind and the physical effort, i will still go with a 400€ electric grinder and perhaps a little less in grind consistency
holy sh.. almost 1 1/2 minutes to grind an espresso dose?!
Pretty much!
It's super easy to swap burrs, you need 2 tools and it takes 5 minutes or less. So I would advise everyone to get the other set too, as it's almost like buying 2 different grinders. My experience is very similar to the thoughts in this video, superb quality and not much more expensive than the high-end conical hand grinders.
where have you ordered that you were able to purchase both set of burrs?
@@Phil_OG I got them on Amsterdam Coffee Festival last week. Used it for filter with the Lance-burrs at our booth and now testing on spro in the office with the multi purpose burrs. First impressions are that you can clearly taste big differences between classic and turbo shots, not just in body but the whole flavor balance shifts a lot. Definitely not a one-trick-pony grinder!
Good to know!
First!
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If you think you could afford it because it's a manual, you can't.
That is a counter top ... a bench is for sitting. (:
nice grinder but built quality looks really cheap , and the price is extremely high!
$450 I rest my case .
your reviews are normally fantastic but please swith off the music, it's so distracting
Thanks! Always appreciate the feedback 🫶 Would you believe it - I actually have switched off the music 😂 you get a minute of it at the intro but nothing for the rest of the video. Used to be music all the way through
@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you very much for replying, the thing is I'm Asperger's and the background noise makes it really hard to concentrate on your brilliant reviews, so thank you and keep up the great work🦾👍
Also, would be helpful if you mention the price early on in the video please.