@@Excellent2009able It gets abused regularly towing & supplying electric to our off grid caravan ( V2H ) via the CHAdeMO plugged into a 6 kw solar charger . But if using the PHEV stationary with the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) via the charge cycle button its still giving 23-37 miles EV range, this hot summer we were still seeing 30-33 miles EV range from basic 13 amp domestic charger 😎 but that was after full hot system reset when the standard 12 v ancillary battery eventually failed 🙄
@@Excellent2009able treated her to set of new NGK iridium plugs other year ( about 86,000miles ago ) not changed them yet 🙈 5w30 fully synthetic oil every year at time of the annual MOT test with full set of budget price filters of eBay 🥳 Did swap out the antifreeze for Evans Waterless coolant ( fit & forget for life of vehicle Evans say) in both ICE and inverter cooling system few years ago, she runs noticeably cooler in charge mode ( V2H for off grid caravan use) with the waterless coolant ......... Brake pads & discs last 100K + miles ,don't use the brakes much , because always drive around on full regen (B5) enabled 👍 It's still on original clutch 🤞 (there's no clutch pedal, it's electronically controlled in certain hybrid modes when ICE is in EV Charge Mode etc ) . I always use all terrain General Grabber AT3 tyres, there usually good for 60K + miles a set , heavy towing run them @ 3 bar (40 psi) all round, I found they give noticeably better traction off road , without any range penalty on road @ 40 psi 👍
Hi Gary, Thanks for the updated next stage of Mitsubshi technical information and yourself finding out more information..We are learning from you..Me personality I will not buy a full electric , only a Toyota hybrid next..There is too many costs so far in 2022 unless you have a bigger bank balance ( UK 🇬🇧 electric prices shot up ) As for you, you don't have the infrastructure .The technology might be great but it has to make its worthy not expensive for the majority of the public, I.e replacing a battery, guaranteed only for 8 years in uk ( No one will buy a 2nd hand battery), waiting minimum 6 months for a battery is definitely not in a good place in Canada ..Your daughters will have lots of pleasure for sure ..I look at cars 🚗 on lots of factors , Nice to hear about other neighbours cars 🚗 than your own, this have everything to do with the car, service, technical information the garage, running costs, reliability it has ..Unfortunately you have been let down despite you loving ❤️ your car..You are now getting some where 👍🖐📣 Let's hope you can film, strike more valuable info📚
Hello from Victoria, BC, and thanks for all your videos on the Outlander. I was seriously considering a used 2020, but given all your woes, I'm not sure.
Thanks for the update Gary. I'm very interested to know when you find the answers to those questions and also what the battery warranty will consist of on the 2023s. I am in southern Ontario and am near the top of a waiting list for one.
Have really been enjoying your videos. I currently on a Mazda CX-5 which is 11 years old head of never had a single problem but it is time for a new vehicle. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership last week at test drove a 2023 Outlander. However watching your video being stuck in the snow and all of the problems you had with the electric battery I'm really surprised you would consider buying another one kind of seems like what they say about the definition of insanity. I hope your next purchase goes well. Cheers. 👍
Did a reset yesterday. When they charged it at the dealer's place, it showed a lot of improvement. The day after it's back to 17km of range :( .2018. 65k of the millage, New Brunswick
If you do not have an order in by now gary you would be looking at a year wait for any phev as a minimum. rav4 prime for example is a two to three year wait.
I love the idea of all electric vehicles. I agree, hybrids are the best thing for now. My next vehicle will be fully electric, but not for a couple years. All of my yardwork machines are now battery powered. Baby steps. :-)
Does the disconnecting lead acid battery while charging trick reset the cars battery stats the same as what Mitsubishi tech support did for you? Is this a viable solution to not returning the car to Mitsubishi every year?
Hey Gary, any update on your phev? Did you get battery replaced? What did you find about the 2023 outlander phev? Did you end up getting it? 2023 Outlander system any different? I have been researching on this car for 2023/24 ... and watched many of ur videos.
I am in the process of buying my mother-in-law's 2020 outlander phev (not official yet) and right now it's averaging about 0 degrees C during the day and even at those temps the engine kicks on almost immediately when starting to drive, even at super slow speeds, often telling me "EV mode not available" and refusing to go into EV mode until about 5 minutes into my drive. Should I just steer clear of this car?? Really not impressed so far as I'm not touching the battery for most of my short commute, which is why I wanted an EV in the first place...
Almost 5 years of ownership, have you run the numbers on your actual gas savings yet? I would think you've hit that crossing point already where you got your premium back vs if you bought a full gas Outlander, no? Even if you could trade in at 50% of your buy price, seems tough to let go of that vehicle now that it's saving money vs putting another 30k into upgrading. That 2023 looks fantastic. It's also got the biggest PHEV battery available vs the competition as you've said. I've test driven it and it's better on all counts. I did one battery smoothing/dbcam at 24000km that jumped me from 78 to 90% and I didn't notice a range bump I don't think. At 55000km now, I'm back at 78. I'll have to check my logs but I'm. Not sure if I should try it again. I've never done the other "reset" (where it thinks it's at 100%). If I could get up to 50km on EV with my current 2018 GT that would be world changing, as it's double my regular range at 78% SOH.
Hey Gary, thanks for another video. Great job as always. I have a question for you 1) what’s your mileage on hybrid when you have save mode enabled / disabled ? 2) is there a top speed limit for running the PHEV on pure electric ? Thanks a lot
If you have never done DBCAM, then it may be that to return about 90% of the code was 70%. And if after DBCAM the remainder shows SOH 63%, then it is stupid to reset the BMU and hope for magic. I did this and I regret it very much. Firstly, I lost historical data on the battery and the car behaved absolutely unpredictably. Sometimes I could not even move at all. Without any error. It was necessary for the generator to work a little, restart the car and only after that it was possible to move. Only a repeated DBCAM procedure was able to fix all the problems and return the normal operation of the car. Currenly i have SOG 59.3% :( GG2W 2015 with mileage 170850 km
Ah i got excited and got the new 2023 phev in dec watching ur videos and some other videos last year. I hope the new model will work good in 4 yrs. So far i love it. I live in Winnipeg so it gets cold. The only time engine is on so far is if the cabin is cold and im using the heater or initial start on very cold days. I checked the maintenance manual no mention of battery maintenance just motor oil leaks. 574 km and not used 1/4th tank yet expecting zero gas used when temp is warmer. Range goes down abt 10 km to maintain cabin heat. The range calculation is wonky though sometimes it shows 70 km sometimes 80km sometime 67km on full charge. If u turn off vehicle and turn on, engine starts just to warm up. I usually tend to keep the car running in ev if its a short wait. Did you get any info from the dealers about 2023?
Your engine not kicking on is definitely because you adjusted you defrost/heating settings. If the blower is off and there's no climate control call, theres not need for the engine to run. You can also start in ACC, hit the EV button, then start and that'll keep things quiet as well.
Gary, you mention that the manual somewhere mentions a battery maintenance schedule or procedure. I think this might be helpful in dealing with my service department, but cannot find this info. Can you point it out the manual? I assume my US manual is the same as Canada.
@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld ^^ Gary, it would be really nice to have the answer. I haven't heard that anyone who I know who has Outlander PHEV has get the annual (or every 2nd year) battery maintenance.
Gary: I almost guarantee they won’t know much about the new one. They will shake their head about a bunch of questions because they need to sell one. If they answer questions, Atleast it will give me hope. Personally Mitsubishi has a very small foot print in Canada and there’s not much effort to educate the dealership network.
Hello Gary, I seen some of your videos lately. I'm in QC and just bought a used 2018 PHEV and getting at best 24 kWh/100km at best... 27 on longer avg, riding alone as efficient as I can, nothing in the car, only FM radio on and light heating (set to 20°C). I rode it one day while it was 8°C outside (parked outside), and next day from my heated garage to driving near 0°C temps, for driving to work at 25km away, 60km/h max, no winter tires. In your videos, how did you manage to get 12-18 kWh/100km? Are there any tips for me to understand this big gap, or you feel something is wrong with this used car? I know that it has had some quite regular maintenance done at a Mitsu dealer in the past years including battery. Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts on this car.
18kW/100km easy in city cycle with external temperature ~15C and w/o heating or aircooling cabine. Slow start and recuperative braking. Currenly i live in Barcelona. avg speed is 11kmh, max speed is 50km/h 11-19kW/100km - easy like a peace a cake
You should take note of and report on the max and min cell voltages when fully charged and empty at approx 100% battery capacity/range (after reset) and also at the 70% battery capacity/range. The cell voltages should tell the story about battery health. I'm particularly interested what min cell voltages are after full EV drive after a battery reset - I doubt very much that the car is relying on an AH value for range over monitoring of cell voltages, thats how BMS' work afterall.
I have the same PHEV as Gary, but. I do my own resets (but I properly put in the battery age since manufacturing as the Mitsubishi techs SHOULD do). I've done one DBCam and a couple cell smoothings on my vehicle. After a reset to 100% (40.00Ah), my cell voltage average (at 99.7% SOC) was 4.097V. At 28.7% SOC the average cell voltage was 3.701V. My experience with my local dealership is similar to Gary's. They are not really familiar with the procedures you can/should do on the PHEV and the staff changes frequently...they just don't know. Also, there is NO battery degredation warranty in North America, unlike in Europe. I have not heard of one single case of anyone in Canada getting a new battery out of Mitsubishi. I doubt this will change for the new 2023 model, although it does use a different battery chemistry (similar or same as the Nissan Leaf), which while better, is not the best. Also the author of PHEVWatchDog said he is not going to support the new 2023 PHEV, so if you buy that car you will be running blind, unless some other app is able to monitor the battery stats.
hi @GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld Gary...hoe you r doing okay, what do you mean with a battery reset ? is that the same as battery balancing? that's how my Mitsu dealer is calling it? (the need to have the battery empty and it takes the complete night to do the job)
Yes, I’m dead serious. I’ve had it for over 5 years, bought it brand new. It was just charging as usual on the charger that’s included with it. In the last few months leading up to the fire I’ve noticed that battery only lasted 11 miles, as before when it was newer it would last 22. So I took it into the dealer to have it checked twice and every time they said everything is okay.
You should sue, hopefully you have brought a case against them or maybe your home insurance conpany will. Glad everyone is okay. But i have a room above my garage... so this might make me think twice.
Yes, we all ran out when we herd the explosion. It happened right as well laid to bed. The fire was so intense it was coming out of the roof 3 minutes after the explosion. I’d park it outside if I were you, or just sell it, or don’t charge it and keep the batteries on low. Yes our insurance is suing them and we will to after we have a new house
If it ain't one thing it's another, North America,, and or South America are not equipped for all these new fandangle electrical motorized optimized glech's in the matrix system of the humpback camel,horse and buggy, seahorse and sasquatch trails...not like the great computer chip wall, trails,that the chikenes,japina have iin Asia
I have 2014 mitsi PHEV now done 320K MILES on original battery.....
this car never lets us down, it's totally bomb proof 😎👍
Wow! What do u get on a charge ?
@@Excellent2009able It gets abused regularly towing & supplying electric to our off grid caravan ( V2H ) via the CHAdeMO plugged into a 6 kw solar charger .
But if using the PHEV stationary with the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) via the charge cycle button its still giving 23-37 miles EV range, this hot summer we were still seeing 30-33 miles EV range from basic 13 amp domestic charger 😎 but that was after full hot system reset when the standard 12 v ancillary battery eventually failed 🙄
@@fenflyer class !!!
@@fenflyer what oil , filter & plugs do u use?
@@Excellent2009able treated her to set of new NGK iridium plugs other year ( about 86,000miles ago ) not changed them yet 🙈
5w30 fully synthetic oil every year at time of the annual MOT test with full set of budget price filters of eBay 🥳
Did swap out the antifreeze for Evans Waterless coolant ( fit & forget for life of vehicle Evans say) in both ICE and inverter cooling system few years ago, she runs noticeably cooler in charge mode ( V2H for off grid caravan use) with the waterless coolant .........
Brake pads & discs last 100K + miles ,don't use the brakes much , because always drive around on full regen (B5) enabled 👍
It's still on original clutch 🤞
(there's no clutch pedal, it's electronically controlled in certain hybrid modes when ICE is in EV Charge Mode etc ) .
I always use all terrain General Grabber AT3 tyres, there usually good for 60K + miles a set , heavy towing run them @ 3 bar (40 psi) all round, I found they give noticeably better traction off road , without any range penalty on road @ 40 psi 👍
Hi Gary, Thanks for the updated next stage of Mitsubshi technical information and yourself finding out more information..We are learning from you..Me personality I will not buy a full electric , only a Toyota hybrid next..There is too many costs so far in 2022 unless you have a bigger bank balance ( UK 🇬🇧 electric prices shot up ) As for you, you don't have the infrastructure .The technology might be great but it has to make its worthy not expensive for the majority of the public, I.e replacing a battery, guaranteed only for 8 years in uk ( No one will buy a 2nd hand battery), waiting minimum 6 months for a battery is definitely not in a good place in Canada ..Your daughters will have lots of pleasure for sure ..I look at cars 🚗 on lots of factors , Nice to hear about other neighbours cars 🚗 than your own, this have everything to do with the car, service, technical information the garage, running costs, reliability it has ..Unfortunately you have been let down despite you loving ❤️ your car..You are now getting some where 👍🖐📣 Let's hope you can film, strike more valuable info📚
yes not enough infrastructure for sure...hybrid again I think...
Hope you get your answers Gary. I've heard pros and cons about these electric cars. Not sold on it yet. Thanks for update.
Hello from Victoria, BC, and thanks for all your videos on the Outlander. I was seriously considering a used 2020, but given all your woes, I'm not sure.
Thanks for the update Gary. I'm very interested to know when you find the answers to those questions and also what the battery warranty will consist of on the 2023s. I am in southern Ontario and am near the top of a waiting list for one.
2023 is tempting...
Glad that I will buy a fully loaded 2023 Outlander PHEV someday.
Have really been enjoying your videos. I currently on a Mazda CX-5 which is 11 years old head of never had a single problem but it is time for a new vehicle. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership last week at test drove a 2023 Outlander. However watching your video being stuck in the snow and all of the problems you had with the electric battery I'm really surprised you would consider buying another one kind of seems like what they say about the definition of insanity. I hope your next purchase goes well. Cheers. 👍
Did a reset yesterday. When they charged it at the dealer's place, it showed a lot of improvement. The day after it's back to 17km of range :( .2018. 65k of the millage, New Brunswick
lol
If you do not have an order in by now gary you would be looking at a year wait for any phev as a minimum.
rav4 prime for example is a two to three year wait.
I love the idea of all electric vehicles. I agree, hybrids are the best thing for now.
My next vehicle will be fully electric, but not for a couple years. All of my yardwork machines are now battery powered. Baby steps. :-)
My buddy Tim even has an electric battery powered snow blower....
Does the disconnecting lead acid battery while charging trick reset the cars battery stats the same as what Mitsubishi tech support did for you? Is this a viable solution to not returning the car to Mitsubishi every year?
Hey Gary, any update on your phev? Did you get battery replaced? What did you find about the 2023 outlander phev? Did you end up getting it? 2023 Outlander system any different? I have been researching on this car for 2023/24 ... and watched many of ur videos.
I am in the process of buying my mother-in-law's 2020 outlander phev (not official yet) and right now it's averaging about 0 degrees C during the day and even at those temps the engine kicks on almost immediately when starting to drive, even at super slow speeds, often telling me "EV mode not available" and refusing to go into EV mode until about 5 minutes into my drive. Should I just steer clear of this car?? Really not impressed so far as I'm not touching the battery for most of my short commute, which is why I wanted an EV in the first place...
Almost 5 years of ownership, have you run the numbers on your actual gas savings yet? I would think you've hit that crossing point already where you got your premium back vs if you bought a full gas Outlander, no? Even if you could trade in at 50% of your buy price, seems tough to let go of that vehicle now that it's saving money vs putting another 30k into upgrading.
That 2023 looks fantastic. It's also got the biggest PHEV battery available vs the competition as you've said. I've test driven it and it's better on all counts.
I did one battery smoothing/dbcam at 24000km that jumped me from 78 to 90% and I didn't notice a range bump I don't think. At 55000km now, I'm back at 78. I'll have to check my logs but I'm. Not sure if I should try it again.
I've never done the other "reset" (where it thinks it's at 100%). If I could get up to 50km on EV with my current 2018 GT that would be world changing, as it's double my regular range at 78% SOH.
Just wondering what happened and over what period it took to require a reset ?
Hey Gary, thanks for another video. Great job as always. I have a question for you 1) what’s your mileage on hybrid when you have save mode enabled / disabled ? 2) is there a top speed limit for running the PHEV on pure electric ? Thanks a lot
120 kms/h is top electric speed...84000 kms on vehicle
Thank you Gary. Sorry my first question was not clear. I wanted to know the fuel economy (km/litres) when it is on hybrid mode ?
@@ckrishnamurthy1346 7L/100...its all wheel drive
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld thank you
If you have never done DBCAM, then it may be that to return about 90% of the code was 70%. And if after DBCAM the remainder shows SOH 63%, then it is stupid to reset the BMU and hope for magic. I did this and I regret it very much. Firstly, I lost historical data on the battery and the car behaved absolutely unpredictably. Sometimes I could not even move at all. Without any error. It was necessary for the generator to work a little, restart the car and only after that it was possible to move. Only a repeated DBCAM procedure was able to fix all the problems and return the normal operation of the car. Currenly i have SOG 59.3% :( GG2W 2015 with mileage 170850 km
Ah i got excited and got the new 2023 phev in dec watching ur videos and some other videos last year. I hope the new model will work good in 4 yrs. So far i love it. I live in Winnipeg so it gets cold. The only time engine is on so far is if the cabin is cold and im using the heater or initial start on very cold days. I checked the maintenance manual no mention of battery maintenance just motor oil leaks. 574 km and not used 1/4th tank yet expecting zero gas used when temp is warmer. Range goes down abt 10 km to maintain cabin heat. The range calculation is wonky though sometimes it shows 70 km sometimes 80km sometime 67km on full charge. If u turn off vehicle and turn on, engine starts just to warm up. I usually tend to keep the car running in ev if its a short wait. Did you get any info from the dealers about 2023?
Any update Gary? About the 2023
Sounds like the problem could be who runs the garage !!
Good luck, as for myself, I will continue to drive my gas powered vehicle, I know it will get there and I can find fuel in any town.
Morning Gary, not that I understand what you saying, my car an old Suzuki 🤣
Your engine not kicking on is definitely because you adjusted you defrost/heating settings. If the blower is off and there's no climate control call, theres not need for the engine to run. You can also start in ACC, hit the EV button, then start and that'll keep things quiet as well.
Hi I'm in Sudbury is there any more news on your battery my phev is on get 24km per charge on a 120 v I got my battery smooth last June
Gary, you mention that the manual somewhere mentions a battery maintenance schedule or procedure. I think this might be helpful in dealing with my service department, but cannot find this info. Can you point it out the manual? I assume my US manual is the same as Canada.
@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld
^^ Gary, it would be really nice to have the answer. I haven't heard that anyone who I know who has Outlander PHEV has get the annual (or every 2nd year) battery maintenance.
Do we know if this issue is affecting the new 2023s? I know the battery is different and I'm assuming the software is different at this point too.
Gary: I almost guarantee they won’t know much about the new one. They will shake their head about a bunch of questions because they need to sell one. If they answer questions, Atleast it will give me hope. Personally Mitsubishi has a very small foot print in Canada and there’s not much effort to educate the dealership network.
yup...I agree...and can you believe what they tell us anyway....nope
Hello Gary, I seen some of your videos lately. I'm in QC and just bought a used 2018 PHEV and getting at best 24 kWh/100km at best... 27 on longer avg, riding alone as efficient as I can, nothing in the car, only FM radio on and light heating (set to 20°C). I rode it one day while it was 8°C outside (parked outside), and next day from my heated garage to driving near 0°C temps, for driving to work at 25km away, 60km/h max, no winter tires. In your videos, how did you manage to get 12-18 kWh/100km? Are there any tips for me to understand this big gap, or you feel something is wrong with this used car? I know that it has had some quite regular maintenance done at a Mitsu dealer in the past years including battery. Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts on this car.
18kW/100km easy in city cycle with external temperature ~15C and w/o heating or aircooling cabine. Slow start and recuperative braking. Currenly i live in Barcelona. avg speed is 11kmh, max speed is 50km/h 11-19kW/100km - easy like a peace a cake
You should take note of and report on the max and min cell voltages when fully charged and empty at approx 100% battery capacity/range (after reset) and also at the 70% battery capacity/range. The cell voltages should tell the story about battery health. I'm particularly interested what min cell voltages are after full EV drive after a battery reset - I doubt very much that the car is relying on an AH value for range over monitoring of cell voltages, thats how BMS' work afterall.
I have the same PHEV as Gary, but. I do my own resets (but I properly put in the battery age since manufacturing as the Mitsubishi techs SHOULD do). I've done one DBCam and a couple cell smoothings on my vehicle. After a reset to 100% (40.00Ah), my cell voltage average (at 99.7% SOC) was 4.097V. At 28.7% SOC the average cell voltage was 3.701V. My experience with my local dealership is similar to Gary's. They are not really familiar with the procedures you can/should do on the PHEV and the staff changes frequently...they just don't know. Also, there is NO battery degredation warranty in North America, unlike in Europe. I have not heard of one single case of anyone in Canada getting a new battery out of Mitsubishi. I doubt this will change for the new 2023 model, although it does use a different battery chemistry (similar or same as the Nissan Leaf), which while better, is not the best. Also the author of PHEVWatchDog said he is not going to support the new 2023 PHEV, so if you buy that car you will be running blind, unless some other app is able to monitor the battery stats.
Hello Gary I like to ask does charging up your battery does it run your electric bill up?
I have the same model year as Gary and if I use the whole battery during the day and charge overnight it’s about 90 cents a day
yes...about $1 a charge now...was 78 cents when we got it...prices are up...
hi @GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld Gary...hoe you r doing okay, what do you mean with a battery reset ? is that the same as battery balancing? that's how my Mitsu dealer is calling it? (the need to have the battery empty and it takes the complete night to do the job)
We need class action lawsuit here in Canada to stop this stealership scam
Hey I bought this exact car at the same time as you did. Mine just caught on fire and burned my house down. Please don’t park it in your garage.
Is your post for real? Thats quite dangerous. Why did it go on fire?
Yes, I’m dead serious. I’ve had it for over 5 years, bought it brand new. It was just charging as usual on the charger that’s included with it. In the last few months leading up to the fire I’ve noticed that battery only lasted 11 miles, as before when it was newer it would last 22. So I took it into the dealer to have it checked twice and every time they said everything is okay.
You should sue, hopefully you have brought a case against them or maybe your home insurance conpany will. Glad everyone is okay.
But i have a room above my garage... so this might make me think twice.
Yes, we all ran out when we herd the explosion. It happened right as well laid to bed. The fire was so intense it was coming out of the roof 3 minutes after the explosion. I’d park it outside if I were you, or just sell it, or don’t charge it and keep the batteries on low.
Yes our insurance is suing them and we will to after we have a new house
Its winter... facepalm
If it ain't one thing it's another, North America,, and or South America are not equipped for all these new fandangle electrical motorized optimized glech's in the matrix system of the humpback camel,horse and buggy, seahorse and sasquatch trails...not like the great computer chip wall, trails,that the chikenes,japina have iin Asia
I'm going to buy a horse....and just let it eat the grass....no more grass cutting for this guy....or buying gas...