Some years ago, my husband and I attended a small church for a season. My husband had to go TDY for a military assignment. While he was away, I questioned something in that church and next Sunday's sermon, I was meat on the sermon menu! The message was about Jezebel and her rebellion etc... I knew that this message was intended for me. I was broken as I returned home. I questioned God, with my brokenness. "Father, do I have a Jezebel spirit?" His response back to me was "If you had a Jezebel spirit, you would not be crying to me asking if you had a Jezebel spirit." Also, he directed me to the scripture, "My sheep hear my voice and a stranger's voice they will not listen." Just week's later, as I took some time off, there was a huge blow up and shortly afterward, that church had totally disbanded. God took care of it.
Amen! Something similar to that happened to me as well. Within 5 years, that church disbanded as well! We stood up! The Lord is well pleased with us! ❤
I first saw Shane when he did a video about the Daystar scandal child SA. He was the first person I'd heard give detailed description of the seriousness of this crime. I was deeply impacted by his advocacy for the fight against spiritual abuse and especially child victims.
We had a similar situation back in 2011. It was very traumatic for our whole family. We were basically shunned by people who had claimed to to love us because "Pastor" commanded it. They said terrible things would happen to us because we had stepped out from under his authority. My oldest child has never returned to church. He still has faith but refuses to attend a church. We have never found a church "home" again. This stuff with Daystar has triggered many feelings, mostly anger. I pray God uses this to bring the Church as a whole healing and deliverance from these false leaders.
I'm sorry that you went through that. As Elizabeth indicated, the Lord does have a place somewhere for you and your family. Have you considered a home based church?
Ok!!! These two are hands down the BEST balanced and anointed voices to speak on this matter! Sooooo refreshing 💦Please Please PLEASE don’t stop! This is EXACTLY what the Body of Christ need in order to be cleansed and readied for a massive Revival 🙏🏽🙌🏽♥️
Excellent video and a powerful testimony. For those who have endured the same or a similar situation as Elizabeth, the Lord will bring justice and has a place for you.
I got called out for not calling someone rabbi at a messianic fellowship. All is forgiven but wow I got a lot of rebukes for asking biblical questions there. Pray that God blesses them ❤
As someone who has experienced every form of abuse, for me the spiritual abuse has been the most damaging by far because after I became a believer I felt that I had finally found a place of safety, only to be abused and blamed for my husband’s actions in his abuse of me!! Only Jesus can heal our hearts from such abuse and trauma and He will if we ask Him. I love Him so much!!
If you know this for a fact then as a Christian you should report it to authorities and even if you are not a Christian you should still report it to authorities as soon as possible. This perpetrator is probably still molesting children and you knowing this, I personally could not sleep at nights if I knew three children were molested. Ask God to help give you courage to go forward to report this SA. Remaining silent will only victimize more innocent children.
If you know this for a fact then as a Christian you should report it to authorities and even if you are not a Christian you should still report it to authorities as soon as possible. This perpetrator is probably still molesting children and you knowing this, I personally could not sleep at nights if I knew three children were molested. Ask God to help give you courage to go forward to report this SA. Remaining silent will only victimize more innocent children.
I have just left the church because I feel I have experienced spiritual abuse for almost four years due to my divorce. I divorced my ex-husband because of emotional and verbal neglect and abuse. At that time, I had to seek refuge with my two young children. I often felt the need to justify my divorce to the leaders and others in the church. It has been painful to sit in church with a heavy heart while the pastor preaches against divorce and even states that the word "divorce" is not mentioned in this church. Each time I attend a service, I come home feeling heartbroken and beaten down by the pastor's message.
🙏 men are called to love their wives- as Christ loves the church! That should be the pastor’s message! What does that love look like… that’s what needs to be preached. Tell him that . Be brave 🙏
You didn't have biblical grounds for divorce. I'm not trying g to be rude but the grounds abandonmentor cheating are clearly laid out in scripture. Verbal abuse isn't one of them. We either follow the teachings of the Bible or we do.
This is an excellent video! I so appreciate these two who stand for Truth, standing up for an innocent girl and SA. God is not pleased with Daystar and other “churches” who abuse and manipulate people! ❤
Thank you so much for all these vides and sharing your story, Elizabet, which you share to encourage many.. Shane is a brother every girl must want, he is so protective of women and speaks up for them. Jonathan and Suzy are remarkable, I pray God will give them justice, and may He open a door for a good job for Jonathan where his gifts are so needed.
So sorry, Elizabeth, that this happened to you. Something very similar happened to me too, over 30 years ago. But The Lord saved my Family, and Marriage, for my obedience in giving His Words of Warning to the Pastor. About hidden sin in the Leadership, which was denied and i was attacked, spiritual abused. 2 different churches. The Lord is using your testimony to help me completely Heal. 💖 Thank you! I Love Jesus so very much, since I met Him 40 years ago. ❤❤🙏🙏🙏
THANK YOU - soooo good and so necessary- I think you may have just saved my sanity- literally and I’m a senior citizen. I was informed that I wasn’t ‘allowed’ to report an elder or deacon without 2-3 independent witnesses’ - there are never witnesses Would you consider doing a podcast on spiritual deception? Again, THANK YOU - blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
I agree, @ShaneWinnings even if the Statute expired for me, when you guys speak up, I feel defended. Despite asking every family member, aunt, uncle, cousin, nothing. But you guys spoke up. Thank you
So I'm Not only grieving the loss of spiritual family inside a spiritually abusive church, but essentially, at the same time that God called me to walk away, I lost my precious beloved husband and the love of my life! So it has not been easy, yet so necessary to get to the place God is calling me to. It has been so crushing yet so beautiful to draw near to Christ's precious bleeding side and to find an intimate connection that I have always wanted with my Bridegroom. Discovering that He alone is enough and that He so desperately wants to reveal Himself to us through pain and pleasure. It has been excruciating and yet so profoundly joyful in the deepest, truest sense of the word. If you're walking through the valley of separation from spiritual abuse, keep walking, keep leaning on His everlasting arms of Love. He has so much good in store for you, He has a solid and established place He will fasten you to, inside of your will, to Himself. It will be worth it. Keep Walking.
What have you done How have you recovered. I WILL NOT be going back to a church- the set up is totally corrupt. Relationships cannot be established. I just want to get back to Jesus and recover from how I was deceived. What did you do?
In the case of SA of a child there is a law called Mandated Reporting requiring a person with knowledge of suspected SA to report it to the local authorities ie. the police. Before a third party investigation occurs, law enforcement needs to be contacted. Thank you for a good conversation on a difficult subject.
Thank you Shane for your services to keep our country and communities safe. We appreciate all that you do to serve and protect. This podcast on us tube is so needed about spiritual abuse that goes on in some churches unfortunately. It doesent have to be at church for this to happen. God Bless Everyone 🙌 🙏 who has experienced this. Thank you Elizabeth this topic we need to hear and i am so sorry you endured this tragic devastating life changing event. God is using you now as a platform to reach others.
I just realized that this is what I experienced at my ex husbands church. I was told by church leaders that I was the problem in the marriage. He had them all bamboozled. The whole marriage was under control of the Jezebel spirit & I thank God I escaped. We were apart longer than we were actually married.
I never wanted to be out of community but it took us literally years to find a healthy church to belong to. I’m sure there must be others in that boat. 😓
Thank you guys for this! For years I’ve seen so much toxicity in the church family and have wondered why no one was talking about/ teaching about what a healthy church culture looks like ( or doesn’t look like 😒). This is so good and so needed.
Am living this - excommunicated without justification or explanation - r--e was excused with ‘bitterness and unforgiveness’, report ing it was justified as ‘causing division’ - no one even spoke to me
@@GraceLatour-z2c My heart breaks for you for not getting justice and for the church leader’s excommunicating you. What the church doesn’t realize they just victimized you. Number one, you are absolutely not responsible for the division in your church. Number two, you are NOT GUILTY for anything. I am so sorry this happened to you especially what the perpetrator did to you. One day, God will judge all and I believe those that was wronged will be vindicated and those who inflicted evil on you and never repented will be punished. Remember, God sees all things and God will balance the scales of justice. I pray that God will heal you mentally and emotionally and you will find peace through all your turmoil. I do know SA never completely leaves you but I do know God can heal some of the pain and He will embrace you with His never ending love for you.
@@DawnLoyd-JE7SUS3 my excommunication was for reporting the abuse, sent by letter, in the middle of winter during a pandemic and when I asked for a meeting, was ignored. No one has even spoken to me - THANK YOU SO MUCH for your love and kindness, your encouragement - you’ve no idea how much it means - blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
@ You still did the right thing and God will reward you for your faithfulness to Him and for caring about the victim. This world needs more people like you that don’t turn a blind eye. It just shows your heart is good and caring. I pray the victim got help and got justice.
I still don’t. They are merely human beings like ourselves and make mistakes. That is why we are given wisdom and discernment and are held accountable for ourselves.
I have learned how to be a professional church hopper over the years, if things get creepy don’t be afraid to find a healthy fellowship down the street 😉
Coming from an abusive church we too were called church hoppers. I’m ok with that. We need to go where God leads us and not be controlled by spiritual leaders. I pray you find a healthy body to be a part of. We are looking as well. Lord help us all.
I am so thankful for the body of Christ that had to go through this hell and came through to the other side victorious and are speaking out. I don't know how I would have got through my personal hell without others. Thank God we have all learned spiritual warfare and deliverance and how to battle these spirits. 🙏🌈💜🕊️ Keep learning and training the body of Christ. 👊
TIM FLETCHER is a very good source for therapy education on youtube. He is a Christian therapist but not the "churchy" kind...very discerning & against all that smacks of any kind of abuse. He helps people w/ COMPLEX TRAUMA & ALSO HAS SAFE SMALL GROUPS W/ A FACILITATOR ONLINE.
I was kicked out of a prayer group because I refused to stand in agreement w/s about my sin. I had recently come out of the New Age movement and was very sensitive. Even if a given sin was recited by the father of lies, I would not agree. Even if factual, the father of lies, is untruthful. Agreement is a strong doctrine in scripture from Babel (wrong agreement) to Pentecost (very right agreement). We must take care who we agree with, especially from the second heaven. Shane is in a agreement with a very broken victim and standing for her, and her parents. That will ultimately have a good outcome.
Being a victim of abuse and having to be process for many years quietly, I understand the depth of pain that the podcaster could be going through and much of your advice is correct and well taken. One request could you please let your guests answer the questions first and speak first because he is the guest thank you
I was delighted to have Shane's channel a couple weeks ago. Then he went crazy about not caring if he loses subscribers, he does not care. 180 degrees over what? He did the same thing Marcus Rogers did. How someone who understands spiritual abuse would do that? Fear, he messed up on Laura Lynn channel and start to self-preservation mode. Sorry Shane, you were wrong. Edit. Shane, your prayer did help me two weeks or so ago. It was the second time I was healed instantly. That was Jesus, of course. So that is a reason why I am so hurt by your words. May the holy spirit hold your mouth from hurting the ones who are not healed yet from abuse and are dealing with mental issues. You should know better.
Now I fully understand, what it means when the bible says, We will say Lord , Lord and He will say to some of us I never knew you. How much we need to obey what God's word teach us and not dilute it😢
Women in particular are conditioned by the church to blindly obey the leadership. Having suffered deeply the consequences of following their wrong advice, I am now completely set free to follow God alone, which has earned me the label of being rebellious in some quarters (which in itself is but another form of control) or has resulted in being told to leave the church. Neither of which faze me in light of James’ words; to rejoice when men say all manner of things against you for my names sake! Y You can’t please men at the expense of pleasing Christ
We, as women, naturally submits,unless bad experiences in their lives have reprogrammed them. I think that's how God created us. But to be taken advantage of is really not cool. 44:12
Shane is a great teacher and speaker, I just wish you gave him more time to talk since many times it went back to your story and he had to interrupt you so that he could speak at times. Just a tip when you have a guest speaker, you really should give them more time to talk, that’s the purpose of the show. If you wanted to talk about your story, then just have your own show with no guests, so I was just disappointed. i don’t think it is respectful to do that to guests. He was graceful in the interview to you, Laura Lynn Thompson did a great job interviewing him and gave him a lot of time to speak, now the content of what you were speaking about is very important. I’m gladyou are bringing the issue at the forefront-abuse in churches.
I just wanted to ask why not call SA for what it is instead of using abbreviations… I’m not condemning just wondering why it can’t be spoken for what it is…
How does a wife navigate through a one sided, unwilling divorce where she is left alone? Comparing Matt.19:9 and Roms.7:2&3 Where does this situation leave the wife (where she has not committed adultery)? Can she marry again?
If he’s leaving, sounds like he is determined to move on and get into another relationship. She’s free to move on then. Also, 1Cor. 7:5-If the unbeliever wants to leave the woman is not bound in that case. One thing I know, God will never leave her or forsake her and will restore a life to her if she continues in Him.
After what I have been thru over the past 3 decades on and off, if someone sent me a text reproving me of not calling them rabbi ……this would be the emoji I send back🖕🏻
20:32 Did pastor literally say "God will grind you to powder" or "sift you like wheat"? Jesus told Peter satan requested permission to "sift you (Peter) like wheat". But Jesus prayed for Peter. 46:55 TBH if he is the pastor of the church you should call him Pastor. Give honor and respect to whom it is due. Romans 13:7
I am so glad that John Hagee has stepped on board of this train concerning this little girl. I don't care about daystar. So hopefully this train is moving out of this stuck station and John Hagee can hollow all aboard. There is a place of quiet rest that's near to the heart of God. So I'm not a fan of anyone preacher. But I do know God has John Hagee here on this earth for a reason. So people center in on praying for child. John Hagee will speak the truth, he don't care if people like him or not. (God just put these words into my head, " I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. AMEN, so be it. forget about Daystar!😊
I only call them by their first name had a guy over a group like to be called pa Pastor he told me that when withnessing to people to share the lord leave jesus and the holy spirit to one side just share the benifts . Crazy stuff people followed him blindly . So false shepers are out their big time . Lord give your people wisdom .
That little girl has to carry such a heavy load at this age, all she knows is that she doesn't want to cause problems, trouble, in this fam. And she is so shocked and scared at this stage. But i know amd believe there are ways to bring it out of her
Don't waste your time with this guy, he's a coward. He has not being speaking up about daystar... he admitted that himself on Lara Lynn Thompson the other day!
Don’t trust Shane. Saw him the second time on Laura-Lyn’s channel and he was busy back tracking. He chooses which part of the story he labels as gossip especially if it means calling out the big players. No longer listen to him regarding Daystar.
Shane is correct 💯👍 we are not called to troll on feelings and how we view things.... discernment, awareness and appointed timing brings certain things in fruition... patience is a virtue.... All the brothers and sisters around the world is experiencing similar trials and testings... 🙏 God, please help us in all areas of our lives? Please let the Holy Spirit help us all through the fiery trials? Amen and Amen 🙏
Some years ago, my husband and I attended a small church for a season. My husband had to go TDY for a military assignment. While he was away, I questioned something in that church and next Sunday's sermon, I was meat on the sermon menu! The message was about Jezebel and her rebellion etc... I knew that this message was intended for me. I was broken as I returned home. I questioned God, with my brokenness. "Father, do I have a Jezebel spirit?" His response back to me was "If you had a Jezebel spirit, you would not be crying to me asking if you had a Jezebel spirit." Also, he directed me to the scripture, "My sheep hear my voice and a stranger's voice they will not listen." Just week's later, as I took some time off, there was a huge blow up and shortly afterward, that church had totally disbanded. God took care of it.
Amen! Something similar to that happened to me as well. Within 5 years, that church disbanded as well! We stood up! The Lord is well pleased with us! ❤
I meant to post "follow" not "listen".
That has happened to me too so many times over a life in church. It’s painful
I admire you so much, Shane. We need more men like you in the church, standing for the victims and voiceless. God bless you and your family🙌🙌🙌
Shane you are the Jay Sekulow to all of us women who have been abused by pastors and leadership in the church. Bravo Shane!!!!!!
I first saw Shane when he did a video about the Daystar scandal child SA. He was the first person I'd heard give detailed description of the seriousness of this crime. I was deeply impacted by his advocacy for the fight against spiritual abuse and especially child victims.
I watched Julie Roys first, them Laura Lynn, then Shane.
We had a similar situation back in 2011. It was very traumatic for our whole family. We were basically shunned by people who had claimed to to love us because "Pastor" commanded it. They said terrible things would happen to us because we had stepped out from under his authority. My oldest child has never returned to church. He still has faith but refuses to attend a church. We have never found a church "home" again. This stuff with Daystar has triggered many feelings, mostly anger. I pray God uses this to bring the Church as a whole healing and deliverance from these false leaders.
I'm sorry that you went through that. As Elizabeth indicated, the Lord does have a place somewhere for you and your family. Have you considered a home based church?
Tragic.
Promise keepers made my hubby a better Godly man! This movement needs to start having major gatherings again and raise up true spiritual leaders!
Just recently been listening to Shane, such a man of integrity, so appreciate people like him. Thank you.
Ok!!! These two are hands down the BEST balanced and anointed voices to speak on this matter! Sooooo refreshing 💦Please Please PLEASE don’t stop! This is EXACTLY what the Body of Christ need in order to be cleansed and readied for a massive Revival 🙏🏽🙌🏽♥️
We will!❤
Excellent video and a powerful testimony. For those who have endured the same or a similar situation as Elizabeth, the Lord will bring justice and has a place for you.
I got called out for not calling someone rabbi at a messianic fellowship. All is forgiven but wow I got a lot of rebukes for asking biblical questions there. Pray that God blesses them ❤
You done the right thing the Lord created you to fly not be caged up move in the spirit . And the Lord will direct you
Johnathan is amazing! God has something for him, such humility & meekness not found these days
Celebrate Recovery is a good place to heal and be with other believers
As someone who has experienced every form of abuse, for me the spiritual abuse has been the most damaging by far because after I became a believer I felt that I had finally found a place of safety, only to be abused and blamed for my husband’s actions in his abuse of me!! Only Jesus can heal our hearts from such abuse and trauma and He will if we ask Him. I love Him so much!!
Thank you for speaking up! So very sorry for the abuse you experienced.🙏🏻🩵
Thank you! 😊
Please pray for 3 different children i know who have been molested by relatives 💔💔💔
If you know this for a fact then as a Christian you should report it to authorities and even if you are not a Christian you should still report it to authorities as soon as possible. This perpetrator is probably still molesting children and you knowing this, I personally could not sleep at nights if I knew three children were molested. Ask God to help give you courage to go forward to report this SA. Remaining silent will only victimize more innocent children.
If you know this for a fact then as a Christian you should report it to authorities and even if you are not a Christian you should still report it to authorities as soon as possible. This perpetrator is probably still molesting children and you knowing this, I personally could not sleep at nights if I knew three children were molested. Ask God to help give you courage to go forward to report this SA. Remaining silent will only victimize more innocent children.
@@DawnLoyd-JE7SUS3 yes!!
You need to report it to the police!!!
I am so sorry to hear this 😢🙏🏾 may GOD heal and restore your children. Please report to the police if you haven’t already done so.
Thank you to Shane Winnings for reaching the men for Christ! ❤
Shane is careful. He doesnt want to be seen to be on side with anyone. He just careful with words.
Maybe too careful to not offend the guilty
Wise man
Such a good conversation. Appreciate you both.❤
Im sharing this video with as many people as possible. Thank you for showing that our Lord is NOT behind the abuse in the church.
I have just left the church because I feel I have experienced spiritual abuse for almost four years due to my divorce. I divorced my ex-husband because of emotional and verbal neglect and abuse. At that time, I had to seek refuge with my two young children. I often felt the need to justify my divorce to the leaders and others in the church. It has been painful to sit in church with a heavy heart while the pastor preaches against divorce and even states that the word "divorce" is not mentioned in this church. Each time I attend a service, I come home feeling heartbroken and beaten down by the pastor's message.
🙏 men are called to love their wives- as Christ loves the church! That should be the pastor’s message! What does that love look like… that’s what needs to be preached. Tell him that . Be brave 🙏
You didn't have biblical grounds for divorce. I'm not trying g to be rude but the grounds abandonmentor cheating are clearly laid out in scripture. Verbal abuse isn't one of them. We either follow the teachings of the Bible or we do.
This is an excellent video! I so appreciate these two who stand for Truth, standing up for an innocent girl and SA. God is not pleased with Daystar and other “churches” who abuse and manipulate people! ❤
Amen.
Thank you so much for all these vides and sharing your story, Elizabet, which you share to encourage many.. Shane is a brother every girl must want, he is so protective of women and speaks up for them. Jonathan and Suzy are remarkable, I pray God will give them justice, and may He open a door for a good job for Jonathan where his gifts are so needed.
Thank you both so much.
So sorry, Elizabeth, that this happened to you. Something very similar happened to me too, over 30 years ago. But The Lord saved my Family, and Marriage, for my obedience in giving His Words of Warning to the Pastor. About hidden sin in the Leadership, which was denied and i was attacked, spiritual abused. 2 different churches. The Lord is using your testimony to help me completely Heal. 💖 Thank you! I Love Jesus so very much, since I met Him 40 years ago. ❤❤🙏🙏🙏
THANK YOU - soooo good and so necessary- I think you may have just saved my sanity- literally and I’m a senior citizen. I was informed that I wasn’t ‘allowed’ to report an elder or deacon without 2-3 independent witnesses’ - there are never witnesses
Would you consider doing a podcast on spiritual deception? Again, THANK YOU - blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
Elizabeth - Your experience is VERY widespread.
Great discussion, I have learned something from this, I believe this stuff has happened way too much, God Bless
Thanks for watching
I agree, @ShaneWinnings even if the Statute expired for me, when you guys speak up, I feel defended. Despite asking every family member, aunt, uncle, cousin, nothing. But you guys spoke up. Thank you
Defeinitely a gift when someone speaks, even years after the fact
I have to look for that book, thank you for the example of the ground cracked and bitter
I’m thankful for your story Elizabeth, from victim to victor & with a heavy heart speaking up for victims. Thank you ❤
So I'm Not only grieving the loss of spiritual family inside a spiritually abusive church, but essentially, at the same time that God called me to walk away, I lost my precious beloved husband and the love of my life! So it has not been easy, yet so necessary to get to the place God is calling me to. It has been so crushing yet so beautiful to draw near to Christ's precious bleeding side and to find an intimate connection that I have always wanted with my Bridegroom. Discovering that He alone is enough and that He so desperately wants to reveal Himself to us through pain and pleasure. It has been excruciating and yet so profoundly joyful in the deepest, truest sense of the word. If you're walking through the valley of separation from spiritual abuse, keep walking, keep leaning on His everlasting arms of Love. He has so much good in store for you, He has a solid and established place He will fasten you to, inside of your will, to Himself. It will be worth it. Keep Walking.
What have you done How have you recovered. I WILL NOT be going back to a church- the set up is totally corrupt. Relationships cannot be established. I just want to get back to Jesus and recover from how I was deceived. What did you do?
In the case of SA of a child there is a law called Mandated Reporting requiring a person with knowledge of suspected SA to report it to the local authorities ie. the police. Before a third party investigation occurs, law enforcement needs to be contacted. Thank you for a good conversation on a difficult subject.
Not everyone is a mandated reporter
@ yes that’s true, however, clergy members are and those who have teaching or leading positions with children.
Why is this happening so much? Why is there so much SA and why do people ignore or cover it up?
Thank you Shane for your services to keep our country and communities safe. We appreciate all that you do to serve and protect. This podcast on us tube is so needed about spiritual abuse that goes on in some churches unfortunately. It doesent have to be at church for this to happen. God Bless Everyone 🙌 🙏 who has experienced this. Thank you Elizabeth this topic we need to hear and i am so sorry you endured this tragic devastating life changing event. God is using you now as a platform to reach others.
I just realized that this is what I experienced at my ex husbands church. I was told by church leaders that I was the problem in the marriage. He had them all bamboozled. The whole marriage was under control of the Jezebel spirit & I thank God I escaped. We were apart longer than we were actually married.
I never wanted to be out of community but it took us literally years to find a healthy church to belong to. I’m sure there must be others in that boat. 😓
Subscribed!
Great comments about working for a strong relationship with God and fellow believers in order to be healthy after exiting the unhealthy situation.
These two such class!
Good we need more belivers like that ❤🙏
Thank you guys for this! For years I’ve seen so much toxicity in the church family and have wondered why no one was talking about/ teaching about what a healthy church culture looks like ( or doesn’t look like 😒). This is so good and so needed.
Thank you for standing up with Suzy and Jonathan
Am living this - excommunicated without justification or explanation - r--e was excused with ‘bitterness and unforgiveness’, report ing it was justified as ‘causing division’ - no one even spoke to me
@@GraceLatour-z2c My heart breaks for you for not getting justice and for the church leader’s excommunicating you. What the church doesn’t realize they just victimized you. Number one, you are absolutely not responsible for the division in your church. Number two, you are NOT GUILTY for anything. I am so sorry this happened to you especially what the perpetrator did to you. One day, God will judge all and I believe those that was wronged will be vindicated and those who inflicted evil on you and never repented will be punished. Remember, God sees all things and God will balance the scales of justice. I pray that God will heal you mentally and emotionally and you will find peace through all your turmoil. I do know SA never completely leaves you but I do know God can heal some of the pain and He will embrace you with His never ending love for you.
@@DawnLoyd-JE7SUS3 my excommunication was for reporting the abuse, sent by letter, in the middle of winter during a pandemic and when I asked for a meeting, was ignored. No one has even spoken to me - THANK YOU SO MUCH for your love and kindness, your encouragement - you’ve no idea how much it means - blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
@ You still did the right thing and God will reward you for your faithfulness to Him and for caring about the victim. This world needs more people like you that don’t turn a blind eye. It just shows your heart is good and caring. I pray the victim got help and got justice.
Why is Daystar still being broadcast on TV ? Why won’t they be cancelled ? I don’t get it !
MONEY!!!!!
Yes. It took me many years to beging to trust Pastors and Leaders.
I still don’t. They are merely human beings like ourselves and make mistakes. That is why we are given wisdom and discernment and are held accountable for ourselves.
I SO needed to hear this - experiencing some of these things now and feel very directionless!!
I have learned how to be a professional church hopper over the years, if things get creepy don’t be afraid to find a healthy fellowship down the street 😉
Coming from an abusive church we too were called church hoppers. I’m ok with that. We need to go where God leads us and not be controlled by spiritual leaders. I pray you find a healthy body to be a part of. We are looking as well. Lord help us all.
@ Im involved in 3 churches in the Dallas area. House churches are also a good option.
@@ryanehlis426 we are in the Bay Area in California. We would love to find a good home church.
Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺 🙏 🙌 ❤️
Wait is this the same Shane that was on Laura Lynn's podcast?🤔
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I went through some spiritual abuse that was devastating, but the Lord rescued me. I'd really like to tell you my story. It is incredible.
No wonder people are leaving the churches!
I am so thankful for the body of Christ that had to go through this hell and came through to the other side victorious and are speaking out. I don't know how I would have got through my personal hell without others. Thank God we have all learned spiritual warfare and deliverance and how to battle these spirits. 🙏🌈💜🕊️ Keep learning and training the body of Christ. 👊
TIM FLETCHER is a very good source for therapy education on youtube. He is a Christian therapist but not the "churchy" kind...very discerning & against all that smacks of any kind of abuse. He helps people w/ COMPLEX TRAUMA & ALSO HAS SAFE SMALL GROUPS W/ A FACILITATOR ONLINE.
Thank you!
Thank you for the information !
I was kicked out of a prayer group because I refused to stand in agreement w/s about my sin. I had recently come out of the New Age movement and was very sensitive. Even if a given sin was recited by the father of lies, I would not agree. Even if factual, the father of lies, is untruthful. Agreement is a strong doctrine in scripture from Babel (wrong agreement) to Pentecost (very right agreement). We must take care who we agree with, especially from the second heaven. Shane is in a agreement with a very broken victim and standing for her, and her parents. That will ultimately have a good outcome.
And God's given Word did come to pass to both churches. King Jesus did come and bring Reckoning, Cleansing, and Justice to His Church. 🙌 🙏🕊
Being a victim of abuse and having to be process for many years quietly, I understand the depth of pain that the podcaster could be going through and much of your advice is correct and well taken. One request could you please let your guests answer the questions first and speak first because he is the guest thank you
But Doug Weiss was invited by Ken to speak and it was horrible
When was that????
I was delighted to have Shane's channel a couple weeks ago. Then he went crazy about not caring if he loses subscribers, he does not care. 180 degrees over what? He did the same thing Marcus Rogers did. How someone who understands spiritual abuse would do that? Fear, he messed up on Laura Lynn channel and start to self-preservation mode. Sorry Shane, you were wrong.
Edit. Shane, your prayer did help me two weeks or so ago. It was the second time I was healed instantly. That was Jesus, of course. So that is a reason why I am so hurt by your words. May the holy spirit hold your mouth from hurting the ones who are not healed yet from abuse and are dealing with mental issues. You should know better.
Agree. Not sure why he's on here talking about something he claimed he wasn't going to be talking about anymore.
Now I fully understand, what it means when the bible says, We will say Lord , Lord and He will say to some of us I never knew you. How much we need to obey what God's word teach us and not dilute it😢
Women in particular are conditioned by the church to blindly obey the leadership. Having suffered deeply the consequences of following their wrong advice, I am now completely set free to follow God alone, which has earned me the label of being rebellious in some quarters (which in itself is but another form of control) or has resulted in being told to leave the church. Neither of which faze me in light of James’ words; to rejoice when men say all manner of things against you for my names sake! Y
You can’t please men at the expense of pleasing Christ
Also keeping the clean spiritual growth of the people STAGNANT!
That is so true, Shane.
I think the abuser was abused. Joni was taught those things she said to Jonathan about submission. She was taught to cover up, too.
I love this channel but I wished when she is interviewing someone that she would let them talk lol
We, as women, naturally submits,unless bad experiences in their lives have reprogrammed them. I think that's how God created us. But to be taken advantage of is really not cool. 44:12
Shane is a great teacher and speaker, I just wish you gave him more time to talk since many times it went back to your story and he had to interrupt you so that he could speak at times. Just a tip when you have a guest speaker, you really should give them more time to talk, that’s the purpose of the show. If you wanted to talk about your story, then just have your own show with no guests, so I was just disappointed. i don’t think it is respectful to do that to guests. He was graceful in the interview to you, Laura Lynn Thompson did a great job interviewing him and gave him a lot of time to speak, now the content of what you were speaking about is very important. I’m gladyou are bringing the issue at the forefront-abuse in churches.
I just wanted to ask why not call SA for what it is instead of using abbreviations… I’m not condemning just wondering why it can’t be spoken for what it is…
I think it's because youtube won't let you put certain words on youtube and that is one of them. Another one is R you can guess what that stands for.
@ thank you that makes sense. Yes the R word is very degrading indeed.
Spirtial abuse is rapent even in small groups . Be care full people i love the prophetic . But sporital abuse is rapent . Its sick
New marriage Joni and husband...live to hear his,es wifes take on the marriage
Can you post a link or give me the title of the video Shane initially released about Daystar. I looked through his channel and can’t find it.
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Awesome
I was spiritually abused the prophetic actually in Prophetic Training School
How does a wife navigate through a one sided, unwilling divorce where she is left alone? Comparing Matt.19:9 and Roms.7:2&3 Where does this situation leave the wife (where she has not committed adultery)? Can she marry again?
If he’s leaving, sounds like he is determined to move on and get into another relationship. She’s free to move on then. Also, 1Cor. 7:5-If the unbeliever wants to leave the woman is not bound in that case. One thing I know, God will never leave her or forsake her and will restore a life to her if she continues in Him.
After what I have been thru over the past 3 decades on and off, if someone sent me a text reproving me of not calling them rabbi ……this would be the emoji I send back🖕🏻
20:32 Did pastor literally say "God will grind you to powder" or "sift you like wheat"? Jesus told Peter satan requested permission to "sift you (Peter) like wheat". But Jesus prayed for Peter.
46:55 TBH if he is the pastor of the church you should call him Pastor. Give honor and respect to whom it is due. Romans 13:7
I am so glad that John Hagee has stepped on board of this train concerning this little girl. I don't care about daystar. So hopefully this train is moving out of this stuck station and John Hagee can hollow all aboard. There is a place of quiet rest that's near to the heart of God. So I'm not a fan of anyone preacher. But I do know God has John Hagee here on this earth for a reason. So people center in on praying for child. John Hagee will speak the truth, he don't care if people like him or not. (God just put these words into my head, " I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. AMEN, so be it.
forget about Daystar!😊
Did John Hagee leave Daystar and speak out?
I only call them by their first name had a guy over a group like to be called pa
Pastor he told me that when withnessing to people to share the lord leave jesus and the holy spirit to one side just share the benifts . Crazy stuff people followed him blindly . So false shepers are out their big time . Lord give your people wisdom .
That little girl has to carry such a heavy load at this age, all she knows is that she doesn't want to cause problems, trouble, in this fam. And she is so shocked and scared at this stage. But i know amd believe there are ways to bring it out of her
I can call My Lord and Savoour Jesus...He calls me Jane or 'daughter'
I tuned in to hear Br. Shane but the host did most of the talking. Why have a guest?
Hmm sounds like
Hirelings are not Christian. They serve for a wage, period. Jesus said it. I believe it.
Stop interrupting him! Let him speak!
Hes trying to clean up his flub with Laura Lynn🙄
Sorry be a watchman and u should name the mega church ..
A good show, but please let your guest speak. I haven’t heard him say hardly anything.
Shane, remember: coverup of the SA of a child at Daystar!
He said what he said, we are gossipers and he doesn't care about subscribers 😂😂😂 he is a medicated version of Marcus Rogers.
Allow him talk....🙄
I thought he wasn’t talking about it anymore
Mercy Culture?
In fort Worth?
Stick to local xhurch. These TV shows are not the church....
Shame on you Shane you are not called by God to speak the word. You hold back from uncovering sin within the church. Shame on you
Don't waste your time with this guy, he's a coward. He has not being speaking up about daystar... he admitted that himself on Lara Lynn Thompson the other day!
That's not so. He explained what happened on his YT. Please review it.
I totally agree with Shane! You are not obliged to respond to everything.
Well said @@djwarrior3365
Don’t trust Shane. Saw him the second time on Laura-Lyn’s channel and he was busy back tracking. He chooses which part of the story he labels as gossip especially if it means calling out the big players. No longer listen to him regarding Daystar.
Shane is correct 💯👍 we are not called to troll on feelings and how we view things.... discernment, awareness and appointed timing brings certain things in fruition... patience is a virtue....
All the brothers and sisters around the world is experiencing similar trials and testings... 🙏 God, please help us in all areas of our lives? Please let the Holy Spirit help us all through the fiery trials? Amen and Amen 🙏