He knows a lot more than most people realize, even in game many characters either underestimate his observation skills or try and “protect” him from certain information. For example undyne and sans often attempting to lie to him for him not to worry. A good example is when in a neutral run sans tells papyrus that the dead monsters are on vacation, however papyrus does admit he knows, but feigns ignorance for other peoples desires for him to not know
Another connection with papyrus to the trickster archetype is that he is more aware than he lets on. If you call him outside the lab sans will also pick up the phone and papyrus acts like he doesn't know what a lab is, but if you call him inside the lab Papyrus will know what a lab is implying he is purposefully acting more dumb around sans and other characters. Another thing is that set up Undyne becoming friends with you by bringing you to her house than leaving then returning to tell Undyne that she is "weak" for not being able to be your friend which is him directly manipulating Undyne into accepting friendship.
I had heard about archetypes, but do not know that much about it. Connecting them to Undertale made me engaged and I loved learning about it in this video!
I'm cramming assignments at 1 in the morning, holy shit this video essay has become one of my favorites! How does this only have 600 views?? God!!!! You earned a sub from me
Great vid, this was really insightful :) Love the connections to Egyptian myth in particular. Would love to hear your thoughts on the psychology of Deltarune's light world/dark world split
The King:Ashore The Queen:Toriel The Warrior:Undyne The Trickster:The Great Papyrus (don't deny his greatness) The Joker & Th Judge:Sans The Skeleton The Lore-Keeper:Alphys The Devil: Flowey The Flower I think each of these Archetypes, that are presented within Stories can be found predominantly within the Core-Personality of these characters's Identities. Like for instance, Alphys's as the Royal Scientist and the role she is given in the story, is that of an aid and informant. Usually in fantasy settings like that, she would be something of a Keeper of the World's Lore. A Wealth of knowledge that the player must desperately seek out in order to understand and uncover what the issues and problems surrounding that world are and how best to solve them. But here in this Game she's just a nerdy dork who spews random thoughts and fan-gushing at you through your entire playthrough. Even going as far as to babysit you, to the point where if you ever take any real damage or get in real-peril, she'll immediately try everything within power to pull you out of it. It's actually quite interesting as to how her Character doesn't fit in with the Normal Archetype that you would see NPC's of her type play, in these types of Games. Of course there's that stuff with True Lab, but I think where her character really shines through isn't about how she chooses to inform others about stuff, but rather how she chooses to stand by any decision she makes, in light of the knowledge she has, despite the fears press her downwards and hold her back, she still holds on and has a desperate desire to take accountability. It's a very random, yet oddly fascinating dynamic, that you really don't get to see anywhere else, in any other video game. I think you missed out on not including Alphys and... and...... I...... Huh...? What was I about to say just now...? I actually forgot, lol. I think I was about to mention another character like Alphys who shared her role in the game but now I can't remember. Oh well. That's what I get for staying up at 1:15 in order to write a comment on a random Undertale video! Anyway, loved your video! I think your way of describing and interpreting the characters and the way their Tropes fit into the grand theme of Undertale was very unique. Very nice vid, I'd like to see you tackle the themes of Deltarune one day and to see how you interpret their archetypes one day. Maybe through Arcana Tarot Cards? Or perhaps a more evenly structured analysis by matching each one with 12 Literary Archetypes? Either way, it seems like you've got a lot on your hands, so don't get discouraged, and remember to Stay Determined ❤ The ******:███ ██████
@DetectiveMar it's just a thought since Toby was pretty big when it comes to Homestuck fanworks and has a great understanding of how an archetype can be passive or active like the caretaker and the ruler
@@leebulger7112 Could have, but Mettaton isn’t really an obvious traditional/Jungian archetype, so I decided to just focus on those. I guess something like “The Entertainer” would’ve worked
@@TheSkyGuy77 Yeah, that’s true, but it would be more of a negative version of the process - where consciousness collapses into the unconscious. A worthy topic though, to be sure
Asgore carries a pitchfork/trident, is a goat, has flame magic, and rules the underground. He is such a satanic archetype. But he's also a complete subversion of that. He LOOKS like a generic evil character, but he isn't. He's just a misguided person who knows they're doing something bad, but they're too weak and self-loathing to stop themselves. He doesn't want to defeat the good guy. He wants to be defeated.
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Papyrus _seems_ to be unaware, but has moments when he is aware of what's going on.
He knows a lot more than most people realize, even in game many characters either underestimate his observation skills or try and “protect” him from certain information. For example undyne and sans often attempting to lie to him for him not to worry. A good example is when in a neutral run sans tells papyrus that the dead monsters are on vacation, however papyrus does admit he knows, but feigns ignorance for other peoples desires for him to not know
I just know mentioning Undyne as"the knight" will make people bristle
@@sebastiancollins01 Hmm not sure I get why that should be the case. Would they prefer “fish archetype”?
@@DetectiveMar Deltarune Knight speculation is all I meant, Detective.
@@sebastiancollins01 Oh I see
@@sebastiancollins01why did you call him "detective" that's annoying
@@theultimatebadasstheultima-r2w Your engagement is welcome. Did you leave a like? I bet you left a like.
Another connection with papyrus to the trickster archetype is that he is more aware than he lets on. If you call him outside the lab sans will also pick up the phone and papyrus acts like he doesn't know what a lab is, but if you call him inside the lab Papyrus will know what a lab is implying he is purposefully acting more dumb around sans and other characters. Another thing is that set up Undyne becoming friends with you by bringing you to her house than leaving then returning to tell Undyne that she is "weak" for not being able to be your friend which is him directly manipulating Undyne into accepting friendship.
I had heard about archetypes, but do not know that much about it. Connecting them to Undertale made me engaged and I loved learning about it in this video!
@@k303 I’m very happy to hear that!
I'm cramming assignments at 1 in the morning, holy shit this video essay has become one of my favorites! How does this only have 600 views?? God!!!! You earned a sub from me
Ha, thanks for the enthusiasm! Hope I didn’t pull you away from you from your work into a night-long rabbit hole though.
@@DetectiveMar im hooked enough to still finish it (thank god) Cant wait to watch more utdr content from you!
Great vid, this was really insightful :) Love the connections to Egyptian myth in particular. Would love to hear your thoughts on the psychology of Deltarune's light world/dark world split
@@snarlingerThank you!
Super Paper Mario is a favorite story of mine, I'm definitely interested to see more of your thoughts on it
The dumbest grin spread across my face when you compared Papyrus to Jar Jar.
asgore sounds like darth vader without the filter
19:25 there’s a meme that encapsulates the similarities perfectly, it’d be awesome to see a video on it
Thank you for not summarizing the plot and just getting straight to the discussion 😩🙏
The King:Ashore
The Queen:Toriel
The Warrior:Undyne
The Trickster:The Great Papyrus (don't deny his greatness)
The Joker & Th Judge:Sans The Skeleton
The Lore-Keeper:Alphys
The Devil: Flowey The Flower
I think each of these Archetypes, that are presented within Stories can be found predominantly within the Core-Personality of these characters's Identities.
Like for instance, Alphys's as the Royal Scientist and the role she is given in the story, is that of an aid and informant. Usually in fantasy settings like that, she would be something of a Keeper of the World's Lore. A Wealth of knowledge that the player must desperately seek out in order to understand and uncover what the issues and problems surrounding that world are and how best to solve them.
But here in this Game she's just a nerdy dork who spews random thoughts and fan-gushing at you through your entire playthrough. Even going as far as to babysit you, to the point where if you ever take any real damage or get in real-peril, she'll immediately try everything within power to pull you out of it. It's actually quite interesting as to how her Character doesn't fit in with the Normal Archetype that you would see NPC's of her type play, in these types of Games. Of course there's that stuff with True Lab, but I think where her character really shines through isn't about how she chooses to inform others about stuff, but rather how she chooses to stand by any decision she makes, in light of the knowledge she has, despite the fears press her downwards and hold her back, she still holds on and has a desperate desire to take accountability.
It's a very random, yet oddly fascinating dynamic, that you really don't get to see anywhere else, in any other video game.
I think you missed out on not including Alphys and... and...... I...... Huh...? What was I about to say just now...? I actually forgot, lol. I think I was about to mention another character like Alphys who shared her role in the game but now I can't remember. Oh well. That's what I get for staying up at 1:15 in order to write a comment on a random Undertale video! Anyway, loved your video! I think your way of describing and interpreting the characters and the way their Tropes fit into the grand theme of Undertale was very unique. Very nice vid, I'd like to see you tackle the themes of Deltarune one day and to see how you interpret their archetypes one day. Maybe through Arcana Tarot Cards? Or perhaps a more evenly structured analysis by matching each one with 12 Literary Archetypes? Either way, it seems like you've got a lot on your hands, so don't get discouraged, and remember to Stay Determined ❤
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yesss plz make the super paper mario video
@@MirageIslander I’ll consider it!
I'm surprised you haven't used the duality of archetypes that Homestuck classes are known for especially the page
@@fleshInlang Haha well I’m not omniscient you know - never really got into homestuck so feel free to enlighten me.
@DetectiveMar it's just a thought since Toby was pretty big when it comes to Homestuck fanworks and has a great understanding of how an archetype can be passive or active like the caretaker and the ruler
You can't just expose innocent people to Homestuck like that. Sincerely, a Homestuck enjoyer
@@aegisxor annoying dog canonically made the game in his basement
I'm afraid the Homestuck already breached containment before the start
"classic archetypal trope" refuses to elaborate
I'm surprised that he didn't mention Mettaton at all.
@@leebulger7112 Could have, but Mettaton isn’t really an obvious traditional/Jungian archetype, so I decided to just focus on those. I guess something like “The Entertainer” would’ve worked
@@DetectiveMar I was wondering because he mentioned every other major boss.
Omg undyne is the night that’s crazy
She is the night, SHE IS BATMAN
Uniting the two halves of one's mind?
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I think that's what Kris (the players/we) are doing in Deltarune, isn't it?
@@TheSkyGuy77 There are definitely parallels, but what part do you mean? The light world dark world?
@@DetectiveMar
Yes, because that's what the Roaring seems to be (dark and light merging together)
@@TheSkyGuy77 Yeah, that’s true, but it would be more of a negative version of the process - where consciousness collapses into the unconscious. A worthy topic though, to be sure
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Asgore carries a pitchfork/trident, is a goat, has flame magic, and rules the underground. He is such a satanic archetype. But he's also a complete subversion of that. He LOOKS like a generic evil character, but he isn't. He's just a misguided person who knows they're doing something bad, but they're too weak and self-loathing to stop themselves. He doesn't want to defeat the good guy. He wants to be defeated.
nice video
@@ProjectMirai64 Thanks!
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