How is it that when Farha has a conservative opinion it's non-sensical, then when she has a progressive opinion, it's also non-sensical. That is actually wild to me.
This disgusting woman made a clip out of context to frame Destiny as a rape apologist, and it worked because he got a ton of backlash for it, he just brushes it aside and invites her over to his house to stream, what the actual fuck
It's kinda wild how she is actually argueing for the thing where someone just says they are the gender they identify as and has to do absolutely nothing to express that gender whatsoever, but is still entitled to have that identity fully recognised and respected
@@tatum1140 Some rando dude in a wig and full beard claiming to be female is worth the same amount of respect as anyone else. Thing is if someone is putting minimum effort into presenting as the gender they claim they are then already setting themselves up for disappointment and possibly as a pain in the ass for others who have to cater to them. Then again, in the situation the two girls were discussing over bathrooms, not using public restrooms is an option. I don't.
@@tatum1140 your idea of "respect" is "being tolerant to literal delusional behaviour" You need to revisit who instilled that definition of respect into you young man as that is NOT what respecting someone means
i was a janitor for 7 years and women want their own bathrooms. men dont seem to care. Im just speaking generally but the experiences I had with people walking into the "wrong" bathroom accidentally (this happens every other day) when women enter the mens people are just like "ok weird but whatever" but when men enter the womens bathroom its like WHOA! WHAT IS HAPPENING. and women will sometimes complain about it to management. so from my experience if you're trans on any side just go into the mens for the least amount of possible problems. IMO there should be an everyone bathroom, and a womens bathroom (because of the extra hygiene issues they deal with sometimes)
The Community College I go to changed all of the *women's* restrooms into "all gender" restrooms LMAO I could just walk in there and take a fat dump and nobody's allowed to complain about it... DOUBLE LMAO
True, this nonsense about trans getting beat up in the men's room does not make any sense. Men piss and wash then leave. They're not going to be beating people up or even interacting with others in the bathroom to begin with. Working in Healthcare, I've had women colleagues use the staff men's rooms, no one cares
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor yea they should've done that with the mens IMO. biological women have to deal with certain hygiene issues that can be very uncomfortable to deal with around biological men.
I was actually shocked to hear halfway through that she is not arguing for genderless bathrooms, since all of her points make the most sense with that position. So she wants segregated bathrooms that you can enter based on what you verbally identify as? What a weird position.
I wonder if she's actually thinking that she's nailing these debates or does she know that she's absolutely not but it's worth it to her anyway because of the visibility 😁
Well if we are going to talk about Blair White, she actually tested how people would react to her entering the men's room. At first men thought it was weird, one asked her what she was doing here and she explained and he was cool with it. But then she got kicked out of the bar. I see it as she was perceived as a woman going into the men's bathroom and we saw the reactions people can have and when she goes to the women's bathroom, nothing happens so I completely agree with Destiny, in absence of any change, transpeople should go to the bathroom corresponding to their gender expression.
I was gonna watch this, but I'm less than 2 minutes in and Farha has already made me pause and have a mini-meltdown over whether or not I'm strong enough to endure her form of brain damage right now.
@@romnesia7729 She argues because she is lost and stupid. From what I've gathered, she's a secret conservative who is simultaneously rebelling against a highly conservative upbringing by doing sex work, so she feels compelled to put on a liberal front
Totally agree … example around 22:33 she realizes the error in her argument when applied to the very example she was trying to use and all of a sudden she doesn’t know how to answer the question
Me neither, I don't watch videos where she appears, I just go to the comments and express my dislike for this disgusting woman, she is boring, a simp (for Hasan), a contrarian and maliciously framed Destiny to make him look like a rape apologist
@@blu_cardinal545 her tone reminds me of like an angry girlfriend arguing to be right rather than arguing to learn or having conviction on a topic. Her word choices don’t align with the substance of the argument. Great vocabulary but lacking common sense. And she pivots during the argument to an unrelated question or statement and does so with a righteous tone.
I’m a huge conservative and I agree with Destiny… but I also think if you can tell the person is really doing their all to try to look like the gender they want to be then it’s okay. In 2014 I had a trans woman come in my job all the time with her boyfriend. We became friends. I never even thought about trans people back then at all. No one talked about it really. I was super cool with them. You could just look at her and tell she was trans though. Definitely no face surgery or any of that stuff. But she had no beard, had her face of make up all on. Dressed in super cute skirts and tops and had long hair and stuff and you could tell she was really trying and lived like that all the time. I never thought twice about going into the bathroom with her. She was one of the sweetest people ever. If you’re obviously still having a full beard and stick a wig on then NO you shouldn’t. But it’s so hard to even know where to draw the line with this stuff bc with my friend I could 100% tell she was trans but also didn’t mind sharing the bathroom with her bc she tried her best. I dunno…
I'll make it simple. Say you have 14 year old daughter who started puberty a little early and has larger than normal breasts for someone their age. She is incredibly shy because she is not only getting all this new attention from boys, but it's a type of attention she isn't used to and is largely uncomfortable dealing with. Should she, at that age, have her own gendered bathroom and locker room for her more vulnerable moments or not?
@@ronswanson1410 Dude you don’t seem to know when girls puberty start. At 14 you are WELL into puberty some girls start their puberty before the age of 9 even. At 14 most girls already have breasts. And girls do have their own bathrooms and locker rooms at that age already? You seem to confuse 14 year olds with 6 year olds.
Farrah has no interest in resolving the contradictions in her logic. It makes for frustrating conversations. How can you resolve disagreements with someone who’s internal logic is inconsistent?
@@Lizard1582 Listen to her for five minutes and you'll have five examples. It would be easier to list the examples of times that she IS consistent... Oh wait, there aren't any.
The hard thing about this topic is that it brings up the idea of passing. When self-ID is the current expected standard for progressives, bringing up passing moves the conversation into an area they aren't usually prepared to discuss.
It's also insane to limit someone's rights based on their physical appearance, so people probably just don't expect someone to make an argument like this.
The issue with passing is it’s also super subjective and context dependent. You may pass to some people but not all or on some days but not others. Surgery also isn’t some magic fix heck I’m doubtful surgery makes a difference to passing 50% of the time. And if we are making rules about this, passing pretty much can’t factor in. Like how are we going to makes laws based on that? If you are trans you have to go before a panel that judges if you pass or not? Like I don’t know what the solution would be if you want to base allowing trans people to use a bathroom based on if they pass. I think informally that can work but there probably isn’t a good way to formalize that.
@@koolarooo Should it be formalized tho? I think it would just make it weirder. The current standard is OK, as long as you're not making anybody uncomfortable you're "passing".
@@Duckman1616 it's not unreasonable to limit someone's rights based on physical appearance. Bc gender expression is largely comprised of physical appearance. You don't really have a 'right' to use any given restroom over another in the 1st place. And if you're advocating for gender abolition then why would you want to use a certain bathroom over another, if gender doesn't exist?
@@koolarooo the enforcement of every law is based on subjective definitions. Almost every definition is 'subjective' at a certain level, and different individuals will have slightly different fuzzy definitions of almost any term. (unless it's some kind of term expressing some clear pure concept like 'black' or 'white')
The way people look at things is so frustrating. It's not "You must do this thing because people are like this," It's "You have to contend with the fact that people are like this regardless of how enlightened you happen to be."
It's like Destiny and Sneako all over again..... Sigh. We should never listen for solutions to people less than 25 who think they've got all of life figured out. Yet another bad thing to attribute to social media.
@@frankjiang1857 Sneako was at least entertaining though, the farha stuff is getting tired fast. I cant stand how oblivious she is sometimes, it's like I know before even clicking on it how annoyed I'm about to be with her terrible unthought out arguments & her being contrarian solely for the sake of it
She is. Destiny is rotating between examples where the person is aware of the other person's genitals and not, and then he isn't even acknowledging this as a meaningful distinction. She's saying we need to control for the awareness and then discuss the perceived gender expression and how people would react, but destiny is doing some kind of a weird sleight of hand trick.
@begetasama7209 Huh? How would we "control for the awareness?" Junk check on walking into the restroom? If you can pass as a woman, using the ladies room won't make anyone uncomfortable because they are either cool with it either way or *they would never know it's not a cis-woman* in the first place. What right-wingers *say* online and how they would react in real world scenarios are two different things. I didn't think this would be a hard concept to follow for people not named Farha (who could also follow the argument if she would listen for a minute and not interrupt in an attempt to score points on a strawman). It's not hard to see the problem with a system that results in the following person using the women's facilities: Sex = Male Gender Identity = Woman Gender Expression = Picture Arnold Schwarzenegger circa 1974.
the "well conservatives would care about genitals even if they don't know" is a ridiculous point. The entire argument is gauging how people would react to these people using their restrooms, and they cannot react to what they don't know.
The whole genitals thing is literally the least important thing. The only thing that matters is what you look like. If conservatives see someone that looks like a man in a women's bathroom or vice versa it will be a problem regardless of what's under there.
Think of it like handicap bathrooms. If someone has a wheelchair or crutches and they go in no one is going to bat an eye. But if you have a prosthetic leg that's covered by jeans and is imperceptible by 99% of people watching you walk around and the wheelchair bound person sees you go into the handicap bathroom they might feel a type of way.
I have used the handicapped bathrooms many times. I have no disabilities and no one gives a shit as long as there is no actual handicapped person waiting after me. Usually these spaces are single person spaces.
Literally no one cares so long as another handicapped person doesn't need the bathroom. That's why anyone can use it. Touch grass and try again. You aren't speaking like someone that lives out in the real world
Also, if you have a major deformity then it will make people uncomfortable in any context. Women don’t automatically make men uncomfortable (or vice versa) except in the context of a bathroom.
0:45 I met a genuine bearded lady one time and she was OBVIOUSLY a biological female. There is no surgery that can produce a figure like she had; easy 8-9/10 but when you saw her face you would be like "OH! That's different..."
Why is everyone fixated on bathrooms being genderless or gendered with the most ridiculous standards for who goes into which. JUST HAVE A THIRD BATHROOM!!! Why is this such a difficult problem when their is a clear and easy fix. This doesnt need to even be a topic of discussion. Most buisness already have a third bathroom for people and for the ones that dont they probably have the money to make one. All small buisness have single use restrooms anyways so its not an issue. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT!!!
No one's gonna have a problem, including conservatives, if a transwoman uses a SINGLE-USE female bathroom. The fear comes from being alone in a public female restroom with a s3xual predator/s. Worse, you can't even call the attention of the security personnel regardless of your fear because you'll be accused of being transphobic. If you see someone who looks like a man in a female public restroom, you have to wait for that person to grab you before you can do anything.
You have to ask yourself what that looks like as a policy position. Are you going to advocate for state and local governments to make it a requirement for businesses to have a gender neutral bathroom? Are you going to prevent them from operating if they don't create a new bathroom, assuming they only had gender segregated bathrooms previously? Fine them? Many smaller establishments won't serve an actual trans man/woman in an entire calendar year, and there's nothing stopping from cis men/women from using the gender neutral bathroom anyway, meaning in practice there's not even any guarantee that every trans person can use a gender neutral bathroom. Similarly, what do you do when trans people don't use a gender neutral bathroom? What if they have an emergency? Single use gender neutral bathrooms are both a financially infeasible and practically incomplete solution to the problem. Try again.
@ab3240 try again? Lol no Make local legislation that dictates places of business either have single use bathrooms or three gender bathroom with the last being single use. We already have anti discrimination laws to accommodate all sorts of people like disabled people and this is literally the easiest thing to ask for. If buisness cant afford to make a new retrooms then they probably only have single use restrooms anyways where all they have to do is slap free use restroom and call it a day. Buisness will get a certain amount of years to be in compliance and boom problem solved let's stop talking about it. Also there literally no reason to stop "cis" people from using the "trans" bathroom most people will use the normal one cause they're going yo go to whichever ones faster but we're catering something to people who are less than 1% of the population. Men use the smallest urinal all the time with it not being an issue to dwarves and children. I think trans people can deal with it.
@@assassin-tq4if Alright, so that particular policy would be massively politically unpopular for a huge number of reasons. Retroactively changing the building code for existing businesses who may or may not even service a trans person in a given calendar year is never in a million years going to be implemented. 3 gender bathrooms are also not going to fly at all in the US, so that would be even less viable than changing the building code. It's not at all comparable to accommodating people with disabilities because that is far cheaper to do, even retroactively, and there are FAR more disabled people than there are trans people. There are drawbacks and strengths to any solution and you have to seriously ask yourself why something hasn't happened yet if you think your solution makes everyone happy lol. Businesses would not be happy at all with your solution.
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Destiny should host a debate between Farha and Buck Angel. I know Buck would most certainly agree more with Destiny on this and I'm sure he'd be willing to come on, plus Buck is super good content.
As somebody that grew up with tons of crowding on my bottom row, braces are way more than cosmetic. Because my teeth aren't perfectly straight it's hard for me to brush/floss certain areas and get my teeth cleaned every 3 months as opposed to the normal 6. There are certain spots that are just insanely difficult to clean without me buying niche tools that most normal people wouldn't have to buy/use.
She's so debate brained she asks him to explain why shaving bones is different than shaving hair. Like she'll arrive at a gotcha she can point out if she keeps asking crazy questions.
The issue is she's arguing principles in a vacuum vs Destiny who's arguing practicality. The reality is that as a Trans person I'm going to use the bathroom that doesn't make others uncomfortable and doesn't potentially get me harassed or threatened.
Farha is really good at drilling down on things that she thinks they disagree with each other and can stand up to Destiny, but my god i cannot fathom how you could have that bathroom take of hers, feels seperated from our existing Reality.
What's funny it's that if a bearded 6 ft guy with a wig on entered a bathroom she was in, she'd probably be the first to complain to the manager. Men generally don't give a shit about interactions in public bathrooms, women on the other hand are very sensitive about it.
Again, if Buck Angel walked into a women's bathroom, everyone would tell him to get out. If he said "no its fine im a transman, but I'm a bio women" no one, not even hardcore conservatives, would accept this, they would all demand that he goes to the mens bathroom. Anyone who says they would react differently is lying.
I gotta say, if this is what the podcast is going to be, I'll pass on any eps that are just Farha and Destiny, I'm slowly losing my mind hearing Farha's arguements
Farha is trying to impugn Destiny’s expression oriented position on the grounds that the genitalia involved would still make conservatives uncomfortable. She then provides her own, far more radical position which is to base it purely on identity but not expression because expression is “random.” When Destiny points out that people would be far more uncomfortable with that she says that we shouldn’t base it on conservatives’ discomfort? Isn’t conservative discomfort how she attempted to disqualify Destiny’s position? Am I missing something or was that pretty dumb? She’s calling her own initial argument invalid when it’s thrown back at her. Does she actually have a position here or is she just saying random shit?
Destiny was saying that conservatives wouldn't be ok with buck angel going into the women's bathroom, despite the fact that they argue trans women shouldn't be allowed in the women's bathroom because "they're not real women". Farha was basically saying it doesn't matter how uncomfortable they'd initially feel because at the end of the day they only care about what sex a person is born as and not what they identify as, comparing it to how someone could feel uncomfortable seeing a disfigured person walking into a bathroom they're in. Her position has nothing to do with Destiny's as she seemingly only cares about how uncomfortable the hypothetical trans person is.
She’s right though, Destiny’s position makes no sense. A conservative would rather have males go into male bathrooms and females go into female bathrooms. Males are more likely to commit sexual assault, if trans-men are allowed to go into female bathrooms, women have a higher chance of being sexually assaulted… This is very easy.
the obvious "functional benefit" to cosmetic surgery is reproductive fitness. socially constructed or not, beauty standards play a huge role in who does and does not reproduce. If you are born with a nonexistent jawline getting cosmetic surgery could realistically make the difference between you passing on your genes or not, regardless of the genetic or social costs to the greater population.
Eh, but that's fake reproductive fitness. I guess if you base all your ethics on evolutionary biology, then maybe you have a case. But then you could also make the case that we euthanize all people with deformities and/or genetic "defects."
It's always interesting to see someone think that they won a debate simply because they lack the intellectual capacity to fully understand your position.
Do people find her attractive? I understand beauty is subjective but seriously guys, this Farah check is mid at best. I don't understand her popularity 🤷🏾♂️
21:30 Exactly. Same goes for sports. If sex or sex-typical traits don't matter, the logical solution is to remove the women's category. Not to base it on personal identity.
I hate Farha’s “Bearded women” example, it’s such a terrible example. Facial hair is not the defining feature to determine your gender, if that women has tits a female build and is wearing female clothes, but the one feature that points to them being male is their facial hair, I don’t think people would assume it’s a man and feel uncomfortable about them in the female bathroom.
Thank you Destiny 👏👏👏 - if we lived in a perfect world and everyone had good intentions, we could make this work, however, as a woman, I’m forced to live in reality and woman’s spaces need to be separate.
Locker rooms and places where you undress or change clothes in front of other people should probably be separated based on sex. What I don’t really understand is the argument for like toilets, because in my university we have the room where the toilets are accessible to everyone, and then the individual stalls (which in my university are closed ventilated rooms, they don’t have gaps from which you could see if you were ill intentioned) are gendered (which is more of a suggestion more than anything because if a male stall is free and all the others are occupied most girls will go in and nobody would bat an eye). Nothing bad ever happened and I can’t see how something would ever happen because there are always so many people going in and out. Maybe at gas stations things would be different, but in most places I don’t really get what the danger would be
@@juanmejiagomez5514- Just because something hasn’t happened to you specifically yet, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Here’s a perfect example, in Louden Cnty assaults happened in a woman’s bathroom at 2 separate schools. They were violent attacks. I’m open to discussing full stall doors with top to bottom closure, however, most bathrooms weren’t designed that way.
@@HostileTakeover555 From your example, the bathrooms were already gendered but the women were still violently assaulted. How did the "gendering" of the bathrooms or the enforcement thereof keep these women safe?
“So the comfort of 1 person is more important than the comfort of 10?” “Yes” This is where she lost. Why is the comfort of the 1 more important? Each of those 10 people is also 1 person.
Has she ever made a reasonable point that wasn’t a .001% what if. Is she capable of making a point without saying “I’m saying”. It’s hard to maintain sanity
I’m convinced destiny isn’t bi. He dated almost exclusively women, lays basically just women as far as we know. I feel like he just experimented in college and realized he likes women
Bro I swear Destiny it doesn’t matter how much you fight sexism in your community it literally will not die. Fahra did fine, made strong points and stayed consistent the entire time. People saying she caused them to have a meltdown in 2 minutes lol, insane
Does it feel like to anyone else that Farha constantly backs away from the points that are gonna make her completely lose her ground while constantly setting up arguments that butt up against the same points and taking chip damage as a result?
There's a difference between civil rights and comfort. You don't have a right to kick all black people out of your publicly zoned restaurant just because it makes you/your clientele more "comfortable."
It's silly, but I liked the way the newer Battlestar Galactica portrayed gender modesty, in that it didn't really exist. The bathrooms and locker rooms were all coed. Even the strip clubs were coed, with men and women both dancing onstage. Women were in all combat roles, too. And I get that in reality, people do have modesty and guys can be creepier than girls, but it's interesting to imagine a truly humanist world.
i just finished my first semester in college, and the professor really opened my eyes. Now, I'm making it my life's mission to pay it forward. Did you know that it was actually the Vikings that discovered America? Of course you didn't. Lucky for you, I'm here to drop truth bombs all over your preconceptions of how the world REALLY works- like how it actually existed way before I was even born. You're welcome. My parents arent paying 25K per year for me to get a bachelor's in philosophy for work- because I'm either going to be an insta model or work in the family business anyway. No, they are paying for me to have an *experience*, because college is really about learning to think for yourself. You can only learn that living on a college campus, so be ready for me to have a lot of super original thoughts and ideas that no one has ever considered before until my professors told them to me. And I can't wait for any opportunity to espouse them as contrarily and condescendingly as possible.
Honestly watching these two jump thru mental gymnastics to not say the obvious argument is hilarious (2nd debate) and neither can say "You need to be happy with who you are and accept it" because that would completely go at odds with their gender theory beliefs. That is why people are against cosmetic surgery but are not against cosmetic products and maintenance. It is a permanent alteration to your body and much more excessive than a healthy person should even consider. These surgeries should exist for people who have deformities, were in accidents, or whatever circumstances bit by a dog or something.... not for people with ego issues and problems accepting themselves.
It seems to be the case throughout all periods of time that people will go to far lengths to alter their physical appearance, sometimes to their own detriment, but I don’t think it’s something that should be made illegal. If a consenting adult is sober and of a sound mind they should be able to make the decision to alter themselves and it’s best a professional like a doctor does it then people going about and doing their own DIY treatments. That’s the thing about the concept freedom it gives you the ability to make decisions about your life that other people may view as negative.
@@dannysha6458 Yeah I dont think it should be illegal at all, and adults can do what they want. We are talking a social stigma and shame level here only.
@@Seri-dy5dd It is a bit of a contradiction at the end of the day but its because society is not really ready for someone who has a physical deformity. Is just being ugly a deformity......? Well that I would have to think about. Let me get back to you on that one, I am stoned playing Dark Souls 3 for the first time
@@DaddyDizz716 Yeah that’s what I’m stuck on. It’s easy for people who are naturally good looking or even average to be against plastic surgery. But it’s hard for me to blame someone who is genuinely ugly and likely bullied and tormented for being ugly their whole life for getting it. BUT it feels like you can’t just say “well ugly people can get plastic surgery but average looking people can’t”. Because that still might impact beauty standards- average people would start to become the new “ugly” people and treated as such.
Are you saying that the vulnerability that women feel in the bathroom with a man is the same feeling that a white man would have if a black came into the bathroom?
That's literally not his point. The point is that if social stabdards were to segregate based on race would you as a mixed race person be accepted in the white or segregated bathroom? Would you uabe a choice? No the choice would be determined by what you look like because that is the social contract in operation. Just as now, the social argument is about gender based appearance. Another more general form of this argument is actually to question the Trans foundation of sexual amprphism because, gender is based on your genetic and biological make up much like race, I don't think you would be very happy with a white person identifying as black.
I think when it comes to issues like this it seems we only fixate on the Trans experience. We are always focusing on how the Trans feel and Women always get left from this conversation often times. And it's kinda frustrtaing for women because there are uniques issues that affect Women that Trans won't understand. And that's not to say Trans existence is invalid. And the most upsetting thing for Women is to be told that our very existence is superseded by the feelings of others. Women don't feel comfortable sharing bathrooms with bilogical men. Period. There's also issue of safety for the adult and kids and the possibility of sex perverts raking advantage of this . Just have your own restroom or bring a bucket pls
Farha needs to stop trying to have a conversation in her head trying to get 3 steps ahead of destiny. Numerous times there were easy questions and she took a while to answer and when she did, she gave the path she thought the convo would go.
My stance for a while has been have shared bathrooms that are esssntially a bunch of private closets with a toilet and air exchanger connected to a very public and open to the establishment shared room for the sinks and whatnot, have 2-3 slightly larger rooms for for disabled people, etc and call it a day
"Why do you think an individual's comfort to go into the bathroom that they want is more important than everybody's comfort in that bathroom?" All you have to do is rephrase this or bring up how most men would be fine going into the woman's bathroom. If the men's bathroom was full and there was a line up but the women's was available, the "individual" would be fine using the woman's bathroom but they can't because of "everybody's comfort in that bathroom"
I’ll admit that this is completely anecdotal, but I’ve definitely experienced the corollary of the obsession conservatives have with transgender people now. I’m a straight, cis dude, but I’m really short with really long hair and a full beard. In the past, it wasn’t uncommon for people that saw me from behind in line at a store to accidentally think I’m a woman because they didn’t see the beard. There was also one hilarious incident where a guy walked into a bathroom while I was pissing, then immediately walked out and said out loud to his friends, “Bro, some chick is in there pissing standing up!” We both had a good laugh about it when I walked out. That sort of thing never bothered me, as I totally get why someone might have that reaction. Recently though, if I’m commenting on stuff online where my profile picture shows my face, conservatives will almost always assume that I’m trans; especially if I’m defending trans people in any way. Since they can’t hide their “concerns” about trans people, they’ll usually make disparaging comments about that assumption: things like calling me “it,” or saying that I’m “confused about my gender,” or that I have some mental illness because my parents didn’t raise me right. This idea of the trans woman with a full beard and a wig is so uncommon (not saying it doesn’t exist at all), but they think it’s what every trans woman looks like because that’s what gets thrown around constantly by the media they watch. They definitely have Matt Walsh syndrome, where their view of reality is completely warped by the amount of attention trans people get in the media. While I’m inclined to agree with Destiny, my own experiences are pushing me towards agreeing with Farha. Should I be forced to use a woman’s restroom because some unhinged guy is “uncomfortable” when he sees another man with long hair at a urinal? Am I not allowed to use any bathroom because his Fox News brain rot leads him to assume that person is a trans person trying to grape their kid, and women would obviously be uncomfortable with a man in the woman’s restroom? I agree that private, genderless bathrooms should just become the norm, but people also need to get over the obsession with bathrooms in general. In NYC clubs, it’s not uncommon to have genderless restrooms where the sink area is open to everyone, but then there’s a bunch of small private “stalls” with actual doors. They’re more like a bunch of individual small private bathrooms without sinks, so there are more than just 2-3 toilets.
It’s so weird when the discussion even touches on male bathrooms because males don’t care. The entire discussion should only ever be about female bathrooms and people that seem to be men not being in them making women uncomfortable.
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Please get Farha to take some acid.
How is it that when Farha has a conservative opinion it's non-sensical, then when she has a progressive opinion, it's also non-sensical. That is actually wild to me.
Wild dude
@@doitlive1279yo somebody call the zoo. This is wild.
It doesn't matter what side you are on if the point you are trying to make is wrong
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It’s not that wild, she’s a non-sensical person.
I think the time has come to sincerely ask if Destiny picks his stream guests out of a mental institution.
Just those that would sleep with him, they all tend to be stupid and crazy tho.
He unironically loves interacting with crazy people
@@AndrewNajashwe call them "interesting" people round these parts
@@Imperial_Squidaround here we call them orbiters
This disgusting woman made a clip out of context to frame Destiny as a rape apologist, and it worked because he got a ton of backlash for it, he just brushes it aside and invites her over to his house to stream, what the actual fuck
Bruh Farha turns into the strawman from wizard of oz every debate
her arms are also so fricken THIN wtf :o
@@alext.1244 yeah she is a girl.
@@RanEncounterstill super thin, even for a girl
@@youtubian2500 Nah. Basic girl arms that do not do any sports.
@@RanEncounter looks like the arms of an anorexic tbh, look up pictures and compare. Idk, maybe we have different ideas of what skinny arms look like
It's kinda wild how she is actually argueing for the thing where someone just says they are the gender they identify as and has to do absolutely nothing to express that gender whatsoever, but is still entitled to have that identity fully recognised and respected
Weird how respecting people is an insane take
@@tatum1140 Some rando dude in a wig and full beard claiming to be female is worth the same amount of respect as anyone else. Thing is if someone is putting minimum effort into presenting as the gender they claim they are then already setting themselves up for disappointment and possibly as a pain in the ass for others who have to cater to them.
Then again, in the situation the two girls were discussing over bathrooms, not using public restrooms is an option. I don't.
@@tatum1140 your idea of "respect" is "being tolerant to literal delusional behaviour"
You need to revisit who instilled that definition of respect into you young man as that is NOT what respecting someone means
@@heroricspiritfreinen38if we can tolerant the delusions of right wingers and Christians, you can tolerant to gay and trans people.
you could argue that feminine acting gay men should not be identified as men with that logic.
i was a janitor for 7 years and women want their own bathrooms. men dont seem to care. Im just speaking generally but the experiences I had with people walking into the "wrong" bathroom accidentally (this happens every other day) when women enter the mens people are just like "ok weird but whatever" but when men enter the womens bathroom its like WHOA! WHAT IS HAPPENING. and women will sometimes complain about it to management.
so from my experience if you're trans on any side just go into the mens for the least amount of possible problems. IMO there should be an everyone bathroom, and a womens bathroom (because of the extra hygiene issues they deal with sometimes)
The Community College I go to changed all of the *women's* restrooms into "all gender" restrooms LMAO
I could just walk in there and take a fat dump and nobody's allowed to complain about it... DOUBLE LMAO
True, this nonsense about trans getting beat up in the men's room does not make any sense.
Men piss and wash then leave. They're not going to be beating people up or even interacting with others in the bathroom to begin with. Working in Healthcare, I've had women colleagues use the staff men's rooms, no one cares
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor yea they should've done that with the mens IMO. biological women have to deal with certain hygiene issues that can be very uncomfortable to deal with around biological men.
Most bathrooms these days in civilized countries are unisex bathrooms, with possibly a specific bathroom for parents who need to tend to their babies.
Good point. I’ve gone into the men’s bathroom in a bind a few times and there was never a problem.
I was actually shocked to hear halfway through that she is not arguing for genderless bathrooms, since all of her points make the most sense with that position. So she wants segregated bathrooms that you can enter based on what you verbally identify as? What a weird position.
Basically I as a man, can enter a ladies bathroom, as long as I convinced myself one second before entering the bathroom that, I identify as a woman.
She doesn't understand the reason for bathroom segregation to start.
@@IndianArmayea, it’s literally the joey salads prank where he puts on a wig and chases women into the bathroom.
@@jcnot9712 haha Joey was just making a political point to further equal acceptance for Trans people. Don't you know? Joey for president!
@@IndianArma 😂
I wonder if she's actually thinking that she's nailing these debates or does she know that she's absolutely not but it's worth it to her anyway because of the visibility 😁
She's gotta know right💀💀
Lack of self awareness can lead to blind confidence
She definitely does
weird seeing you here I watch your music videos lol
She thinks that if she pushes back for the sake of pushing back, she's having a productive conversation. It's delusional
Well if we are going to talk about Blair White, she actually tested how people would react to her entering the men's room. At first men thought it was weird, one asked her what she was doing here and she explained and he was cool with it. But then she got kicked out of the bar. I see it as she was perceived as a woman going into the men's bathroom and we saw the reactions people can have and when she goes to the women's bathroom, nothing happens so I completely agree with Destiny, in absence of any change, transpeople should go to the bathroom corresponding to their gender expression.
I was gonna watch this, but I'm less than 2 minutes in and Farha has already made me pause and have a mini-meltdown over whether or not I'm strong enough to endure her form of brain damage right now.
ENDURE!
She argues for the sake of arguing, not because she (like Lav) thinks that disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is based
@@romnesia7729 She argues because she is lost and stupid. From what I've gathered, she's a secret conservative who is simultaneously rebelling against a highly conservative upbringing by doing sex work, so she feels compelled to put on a liberal front
Farha is definition of "please explain me like I'm five" but doesn't listen when Steven actually explain stuff.
It's actually insane to me lmao
Dead serious. Her argument style is so annoying I can’t even listen.
What do you mean? Example?
Totally agree … example around 22:33 she realizes the error in her argument when applied to the very example she was trying to use and all of a sudden she doesn’t know how to answer the question
Me neither, I don't watch videos where she appears, I just go to the comments and express my dislike for this disgusting woman, she is boring, a simp (for Hasan), a contrarian and maliciously framed Destiny to make him look like a rape apologist
@@blu_cardinal545 her tone reminds me of like an angry girlfriend arguing to be right rather than arguing to learn or having conviction on a topic. Her word choices don’t align with the substance of the argument. Great vocabulary but lacking common sense. And she pivots during the argument to an unrelated question or statement and does so with a righteous tone.
It’s time for Farha to find validation somewhere else before the bridge catches fire--it’s been pretty dry out, and hot… big fire risks
Yet another episode of destiny bringing us along as he participates in his brat taming fetish
LMAO 😂
Did the illogical "I feel..." statements give her away? 🤔 lol
True
😂
I’m a huge conservative and I agree with Destiny… but I also think if you can tell the person is really doing their all to try to look like the gender they want to be then it’s okay. In 2014 I had a trans woman come in my job all the time with her boyfriend. We became friends. I never even thought about trans people back then at all. No one talked about it really. I was super cool with them. You could just look at her and tell she was trans though. Definitely no face surgery or any of that stuff. But she had no beard, had her face of make up all on. Dressed in super cute skirts and tops and had long hair and stuff and you could tell she was really trying and lived like that all the time. I never thought twice about going into the bathroom with her. She was one of the sweetest people ever. If you’re obviously still having a full beard and stick a wig on then NO you shouldn’t. But it’s so hard to even know where to draw the line with this stuff bc with my friend I could 100% tell she was trans but also didn’t mind sharing the bathroom with her bc she tried her best. I dunno…
Sounds like the liberals have convinced you trans women are women on gendered grounds
I'll make it simple. Say you have 14 year old daughter who started puberty a little early and has larger than normal breasts for someone their age. She is incredibly shy because she is not only getting all this new attention from boys, but it's a type of attention she isn't used to and is largely uncomfortable dealing with. Should she, at that age, have her own gendered bathroom and locker room for her more vulnerable moments or not?
@@ronswanson1410 Dude you don’t seem to know when girls puberty start. At 14 you are WELL into puberty some girls start their puberty before the age of 9 even. At 14 most girls already have breasts. And girls do have their own bathrooms and locker rooms at that age already? You seem to confuse 14 year olds with 6 year olds.
@@ronswanson1410 Wouldn't it logically follow that you'd also have to ban lesbians from entering those bathrooms as well?
@@ronswanson1410 You could maybe make an argument for gendering bathrooms based on sex purely up until a certain age
Please dont let Farha Fridays become a real thing....
I second this
It's like Kelly Jean but if she was on the stream every week
I enjoy it :)
I third this.
Please Do
Farrah has no interest in resolving the contradictions in her logic. It makes for frustrating conversations. How can you resolve disagreements with someone who’s internal logic is inconsistent?
I probably agree with you but can u drop an example?
@@adamyooz literally any set of two things she's ever said.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor epic. give the examples though.
Bro she literally said half of her brain is trad con and the other half is a whore😂
@@Lizard1582 Listen to her for five minutes and you'll have five examples.
It would be easier to list the examples of times that she IS consistent... Oh wait, there aren't any.
The hard thing about this topic is that it brings up the idea of passing. When self-ID is the current expected standard for progressives, bringing up passing moves the conversation into an area they aren't usually prepared to discuss.
It's also insane to limit someone's rights based on their physical appearance, so people probably just don't expect someone to make an argument like this.
The issue with passing is it’s also super subjective and context dependent.
You may pass to some people but not all or on some days but not others. Surgery also isn’t some magic fix heck I’m doubtful surgery makes a difference to passing 50% of the time. And if we are making rules about this, passing pretty much can’t factor in. Like how are we going to makes laws based on that? If you are trans you have to go before a panel that judges if you pass or not? Like I don’t know what the solution would be if you want to base allowing trans people to use a bathroom based on if they pass. I think informally that can work but there probably isn’t a good way to formalize that.
@@koolarooo Should it be formalized tho? I think it would just make it weirder. The current standard is OK, as long as you're not making anybody uncomfortable you're "passing".
@@Duckman1616 it's not unreasonable to limit someone's rights based on physical appearance. Bc gender expression is largely comprised of physical appearance.
You don't really have a 'right' to use any given restroom over another in the 1st place. And if you're advocating for gender abolition then why would you want to use a certain bathroom over another, if gender doesn't exist?
@@koolarooo the enforcement of every law is based on subjective definitions. Almost every definition is 'subjective' at a certain level, and different individuals will have slightly different fuzzy definitions of almost any term. (unless it's some kind of term expressing some clear pure concept like 'black' or 'white')
The way people look at things is so frustrating.
It's not "You must do this thing because people are like this," It's "You have to contend with the fact that people are like this regardless of how enlightened you happen to be."
She can’t grasp that
That’s the biggest problem with GenZ
I get the feeling Farha is an unpopular guest on his stream. But that might be because I'm reading DGG chat.
What is DGG?
I always hear people say that
I truly admire Destiny's patience.
Damn, she actually thinks she is doing a great job here O.o
It's like Destiny and Sneako all over again..... Sigh. We should never listen for solutions to people less than 25 who think they've got all of life figured out. Yet another bad thing to attribute to social media.
@@frankjiang1857 Sneako was at least entertaining though, the farha stuff is getting tired fast. I cant stand how oblivious she is sometimes, it's like I know before even clicking on it how annoyed I'm about to be with her terrible unthought out arguments & her being contrarian solely for the sake of it
She is. Destiny is rotating between examples where the person is aware of the other person's genitals and not, and then he isn't even acknowledging this as a meaningful distinction. She's saying we need to control for the awareness and then discuss the perceived gender expression and how people would react, but destiny is doing some kind of a weird sleight of hand trick.
@@begetasama7209 lmao gender expression = mental illness due to inferior genetics
@begetasama7209 Huh? How would we "control for the awareness?" Junk check on walking into the restroom? If you can pass as a woman, using the ladies room won't make anyone uncomfortable because they are either cool with it either way or *they would never know it's not a cis-woman* in the first place.
What right-wingers *say* online and how they would react in real world scenarios are two different things. I didn't think this would be a hard concept to follow for people not named Farha (who could also follow the argument if she would listen for a minute and not interrupt in an attempt to score points on a strawman).
It's not hard to see the problem with a system that results in the following person using the women's facilities:
Sex = Male
Gender Identity = Woman
Gender Expression = Picture Arnold Schwarzenegger circa 1974.
the "well conservatives would care about genitals even if they don't know" is a ridiculous point. The entire argument is gauging how people would react to these people using their restrooms, and they cannot react to what they don't know.
Exactly. And it's so simple to understand !
The whole genitals thing is literally the least important thing. The only thing that matters is what you look like. If conservatives see someone that looks like a man in a women's bathroom or vice versa it will be a problem regardless of what's under there.
Arguing for the sake of arguing.
Far ha knows how to trigger destiny….lol. She’s a walking insufferable argument waiting to happen…
Take a shot everytime Melina throws something in the trash can😂
🥴
She that nosy wife that all of a sudden starts cleaning the house when someone enters the house
Farha is like aerogel... I am struggling to find any substance there even though I see something
Think of it like handicap bathrooms. If someone has a wheelchair or crutches and they go in no one is going to bat an eye. But if you have a prosthetic leg that's covered by jeans and is imperceptible by 99% of people watching you walk around and the wheelchair bound person sees you go into the handicap bathroom they might feel a type of way.
I have used the handicapped bathrooms many times. I have no disabilities and no one gives a shit as long as there is no actual handicapped person waiting after me. Usually these spaces are single person spaces.
Literally no one cares so long as another handicapped person doesn't need the bathroom. That's why anyone can use it.
Touch grass and try again. You aren't speaking like someone that lives out in the real world
@@RanEncounter yeah, but just like taking a handicap parking space, you're playing with fire.
Also, if you have a major deformity then it will make people uncomfortable in any context. Women don’t automatically make men uncomfortable (or vice versa) except in the context of a bathroom.
@@REDDAWNproject Not really. You don't get fined or anything other for using the handicapped bathroom.
0:45 I met a genuine bearded lady one time and she was OBVIOUSLY a biological female. There is no surgery that can produce a figure like she had; easy 8-9/10 but when you saw her face you would be like "OH! That's different..."
My mom has a mustache
Crazy how confidently she says such bad faith shit, obviously knew she was wrong with how she answered racial bathroom question
Such bad faith dude! Omg Destiny is so smart right
@@doitlive1279what the fuck 😂😂
She loves to argue to argue to argue to argue 😂😂😂
she insisted he look at her and immediately looked away from him
Women ☕
some random in chat: "what if you were going to marry a woman and on your wedding night you find out that she's a tier 5 Hasan sub?"
To the poor soul that ends up married to this mess. I pray for your mental health
That soul doesn’t exist
Destiny's second wife 😂
The divorce will occur in 6 months tops
Why is everyone fixated on bathrooms being genderless or gendered with the most ridiculous standards for who goes into which.
JUST HAVE A THIRD BATHROOM!!!
Why is this such a difficult problem when their is a clear and easy fix. This doesnt need to even be a topic of discussion. Most buisness already have a third bathroom for people and for the ones that dont they probably have the money to make one. All small buisness have single use restrooms anyways so its not an issue. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT!!!
No one's gonna have a problem, including conservatives, if a transwoman uses a SINGLE-USE female bathroom. The fear comes from being alone in a public female restroom with a s3xual predator/s. Worse, you can't even call the attention of the security personnel regardless of your fear because you'll be accused of being transphobic. If you see someone who looks like a man in a female public restroom, you have to wait for that person to grab you before you can do anything.
@Lizard1582 rather than deal with who goes into which of 2 restrooms yes absolutely
You have to ask yourself what that looks like as a policy position. Are you going to advocate for state and local governments to make it a requirement for businesses to have a gender neutral bathroom? Are you going to prevent them from operating if they don't create a new bathroom, assuming they only had gender segregated bathrooms previously? Fine them? Many smaller establishments won't serve an actual trans man/woman in an entire calendar year, and there's nothing stopping from cis men/women from using the gender neutral bathroom anyway, meaning in practice there's not even any guarantee that every trans person can use a gender neutral bathroom. Similarly, what do you do when trans people don't use a gender neutral bathroom? What if they have an emergency?
Single use gender neutral bathrooms are both a financially infeasible and practically incomplete solution to the problem. Try again.
@ab3240 try again? Lol no
Make local legislation that dictates places of business either have single use bathrooms or three gender bathroom with the last being single use. We already have anti discrimination laws to accommodate all sorts of people like disabled people and this is literally the easiest thing to ask for. If buisness cant afford to make a new retrooms then they probably only have single use restrooms anyways where all they have to do is slap free use restroom and call it a day. Buisness will get a certain amount of years to be in compliance and boom problem solved let's stop talking about it.
Also there literally no reason to stop "cis" people from using the "trans" bathroom most people will use the normal one cause they're going yo go to whichever ones faster but we're catering something to people who are less than 1% of the population. Men use the smallest urinal all the time with it not being an issue to dwarves and children. I think trans people can deal with it.
@@assassin-tq4if Alright, so that particular policy would be massively politically unpopular for a huge number of reasons. Retroactively changing the building code for existing businesses who may or may not even service a trans person in a given calendar year is never in a million years going to be implemented. 3 gender bathrooms are also not going to fly at all in the US, so that would be even less viable than changing the building code.
It's not at all comparable to accommodating people with disabilities because that is far cheaper to do, even retroactively, and there are FAR more disabled people than there are trans people.
There are drawbacks and strengths to any solution and you have to seriously ask yourself why something hasn't happened yet if you think your solution makes everyone happy lol. Businesses would not be happy at all with your solution.
Truly we live in the best timeline imagine someone after 500 years looking back at us and witness the great philosophical debates about where do you go to do number 1 and 2😊
Melina marking her territory...several times.
Destiny should host a debate between Farha and Buck Angel. I know Buck would most certainly agree more with Destiny on this and I'm sure he'd be willing to come on, plus Buck is super good content.
As somebody that grew up with tons of crowding on my bottom row, braces are way more than cosmetic. Because my teeth aren't perfectly straight it's hard for me to brush/floss certain areas and get my teeth cleaned every 3 months as opposed to the normal 6. There are certain spots that are just insanely difficult to clean without me buying niche tools that most normal people wouldn't have to buy/use.
“Can you look at me?” Yup she’s officially annoying & getting too comfortable 😊
She's so debate brained she asks him to explain why shaving bones is different than shaving hair. Like she'll arrive at a gotcha she can point out if she keeps asking crazy questions.
Bathrooms should be renamed in to Human and Piss Piglets.
Welcome to the Sty. 🐽
The issue is she's arguing principles in a vacuum vs Destiny who's arguing practicality. The reality is that as a Trans person I'm going to use the bathroom that doesn't make others uncomfortable and doesn't potentially get me harassed or threatened.
What if there's no single room toilet?
These fahra debates are literal brain rot
Farha is really good at drilling down on things that she thinks they disagree with each other and can stand up to Destiny, but my god i cannot fathom how you could have that bathroom take of hers, feels seperated from our existing Reality.
What's funny it's that if a bearded 6 ft guy with a wig on entered a bathroom she was in, she'd probably be the first to complain to the manager. Men generally don't give a shit about interactions in public bathrooms, women on the other hand are very sensitive about it.
Destiny: “8/10 conservatives would vote for trans people to go to the bathroom they express as”
Based on fucking what???😂
Again, if Buck Angel walked into a women's bathroom, everyone would tell him to get out.
If he said "no its fine im a transman, but I'm a bio women" no one, not even hardcore conservatives, would accept this, they would all demand that he goes to the mens bathroom. Anyone who says they would react differently is lying.
How the trans person looks. Conservatives say they care about genitals but they don’t
She's literally only here to argue as soon as they point is made and it's put to rest she comes up with some kind of argument she's just here to argue
Actually I’m pretty sure Ben Shapiro has said Blair white should use womens restroom. Maybe someone can find the clip.
Conservative here.. If I saw Buck angel in the bathroom, I would ask for an autograph and a selfie.
This kinda proves how far looks can get it.
She finally put some lenses in the glasses
I gotta say, if this is what the podcast is going to be, I'll pass on any eps that are just Farha and Destiny, I'm slowly losing my mind hearing Farha's arguements
Farha is trying to impugn Destiny’s expression oriented position on the grounds that the genitalia involved would still make conservatives uncomfortable.
She then provides her own, far more radical position which is to base it purely on identity but not expression because expression is “random.”
When Destiny points out that people would be far more uncomfortable with that she says that we shouldn’t base it on conservatives’ discomfort?
Isn’t conservative discomfort how she attempted to disqualify Destiny’s position? Am I missing something or was that pretty dumb? She’s calling her own initial argument invalid when it’s thrown back at her. Does she actually have a position here or is she just saying random shit?
It's farha, shes saying random shit.
Destiny was saying that conservatives wouldn't be ok with buck angel going into the women's bathroom, despite the fact that they argue trans women shouldn't be allowed in the women's bathroom because "they're not real women". Farha was basically saying it doesn't matter how uncomfortable they'd initially feel because at the end of the day they only care about what sex a person is born as and not what they identify as, comparing it to how someone could feel uncomfortable seeing a disfigured person walking into a bathroom they're in. Her position has nothing to do with Destiny's as she seemingly only cares about how uncomfortable the hypothetical trans person is.
She is a disingenuous person that argues just to argue
She’s right though, Destiny’s position makes no sense.
A conservative would rather have males go into male bathrooms and females go into female bathrooms. Males are more likely to commit sexual assault, if trans-men are allowed to go into female bathrooms, women have a higher chance of being sexually assaulted…
This is very easy.
This title is just a missed opportunity. Just imagine:
"Destiny And Farha Dive Head First Into A Toilet Debate"
Since Destiny is a women i am surprised he doesn't fear men going into the bathroom with him.
It reveals something about your worldview when you believe being a woman is so bad, you use it as an insult.
@@kellyriddell5014 this has to be bait. or you just don't know the context. but then why are you on here I'm wondering
@@kellyriddell5014 I can tell you are exhausting to be around just from one sentence smh
The insult would be no less harsh if i flipped it around and told a women she was a man.
@@kellyriddell5014 it’s a joke
the obvious "functional benefit" to cosmetic surgery is reproductive fitness. socially constructed or not, beauty standards play a huge role in who does and does not reproduce. If you are born with a nonexistent jawline getting cosmetic surgery could realistically make the difference between you passing on your genes or not, regardless of the genetic or social costs to the greater population.
Eh, but that's fake reproductive fitness. I guess if you base all your ethics on evolutionary biology, then maybe you have a case. But then you could also make the case that we euthanize all people with deformities and/or genetic "defects."
It's always interesting to see someone think that they won a debate simply because they lack the intellectual capacity to fully understand your position.
Pigeon vs chess player
Do people find her attractive? I understand beauty is subjective but seriously guys, this Farah check is mid at best. I don't understand her popularity 🤷🏾♂️
She's virgin and does Onlyfans.
She looks good to me. The way she thinks makes her a red flag doe. I wouldn’t date her😂
21:30 Exactly. Same goes for sports. If sex or sex-typical traits don't matter, the logical solution is to remove the women's category. Not to base it on personal identity.
I think I've moved on to the "thumbs down and don't watch" phase of watching content featuring Farha
I hate Farha’s “Bearded women” example, it’s such a terrible example. Facial hair is not the defining feature to determine your gender, if that women has tits a female build and is wearing female clothes, but the one feature that points to them being male is their facial hair, I don’t think people would assume it’s a man and feel uncomfortable about them in the female bathroom.
I feel sorry for anyone that is tricked into spending time with her.
Farha doesn’t listen she just waits for you to stop talking.
I want to see Farhas reaction to spending some time in a bathroom with burly men.
90% of women would rather go to a bathroom with a burly trans man than an actual man with a penis…
Thank you Destiny 👏👏👏 - if we lived in a perfect world and everyone had good intentions, we could make this work, however, as a woman, I’m forced to live in reality and woman’s spaces need to be separate.
Locker rooms and places where you undress or change clothes in front of other people should probably be separated based on sex. What I don’t really understand is the argument for like toilets, because in my university we have the room where the toilets are accessible to everyone, and then the individual stalls (which in my university are closed ventilated rooms, they don’t have gaps from which you could see if you were ill intentioned) are gendered (which is more of a suggestion more than anything because if a male stall is free and all the others are occupied most girls will go in and nobody would bat an eye). Nothing bad ever happened and I can’t see how something would ever happen because there are always so many people going in and out. Maybe at gas stations things would be different, but in most places I don’t really get what the danger would be
Exactly.
@Juan Mejia gomez not every space can afford such a large infrastructure just for bathrooms. Bathrooms are super expensive to build.
@@juanmejiagomez5514- Just because something hasn’t happened to you specifically yet, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Here’s a perfect example, in Louden Cnty assaults happened in a woman’s bathroom at 2 separate schools. They were violent attacks.
I’m open to discussing full stall doors with top to bottom closure, however, most bathrooms weren’t designed that way.
@@HostileTakeover555 From your example, the bathrooms were already gendered but the women were still violently assaulted. How did the "gendering" of the bathrooms or the enforcement thereof keep these women safe?
As a half passing trans woman I would much rather be hate crimed in the men's restroom than be outed in the women's
damn
Hate-crimed as in, like, actual violence?
You don't get to pick how people identify you. People will treat you based on how you look. Society gives you your identity.
“So the comfort of 1 person is more important than the comfort of 10?”
“Yes”
This is where she lost. Why is the comfort of the 1 more important? Each of those 10 people is also 1 person.
"Look at me destiny" "it's not debate chat day"
Destiny continues to look away
Sigma 🤣🤣👌
Has she ever made a reasonable point that wasn’t a .001% what if.
Is she capable of making a point without saying “I’m saying”.
It’s hard to maintain sanity
I’m convinced destiny isn’t bi. He dated almost exclusively women, lays basically just women as far as we know. I feel like he just experimented in college and realized he likes women
It’s a good grift
The best part of this debate was when Mel was walking in the background
Bro I swear Destiny it doesn’t matter how much you fight sexism in your community it literally will not die. Fahra did fine, made strong points and stayed consistent the entire time. People saying she caused them to have a meltdown in 2 minutes lol, insane
Does it feel like to anyone else that Farha constantly backs away from the points that are gonna make her completely lose her ground while constantly setting up arguments that butt up against the same points and taking chip damage as a result?
He will never beat the girl name allegations
I'm a conservative and I agree with Destiny, Blaire looks like a woman and makes an effort and should be in a woman's restroom.
If everyone believed what Farha says she believes in she would suddenly switch her views just to go against them.
I don’t think either of them have a good argument on it. Rare Destiny L
There's a difference between civil rights and comfort. You don't have a right to kick all black people out of your publicly zoned restaurant just because it makes you/your clientele more "comfortable."
Personally, I think, people should just hold it.
It's silly, but I liked the way the newer Battlestar Galactica portrayed gender modesty, in that it didn't really exist. The bathrooms and locker rooms were all coed. Even the strip clubs were coed, with men and women both dancing onstage. Women were in all combat roles, too. And I get that in reality, people do have modesty and guys can be creepier than girls, but it's interesting to imagine a truly humanist world.
Girls can also be pretty creepy also, but the sad thing is that a lot of men will still want to bang them.
no
i just finished my first semester in college, and the professor really opened my eyes. Now, I'm making it my life's mission to pay it forward.
Did you know that it was actually the Vikings that discovered America? Of course you didn't. Lucky for you, I'm here to drop truth bombs all over your preconceptions of how the world REALLY works- like how it actually existed way before I was even born. You're welcome.
My parents arent paying 25K per year for me to get a bachelor's in philosophy for work- because I'm either going to be an insta model or work in the family business anyway. No, they are paying for me to have an *experience*, because college is really about learning to think for yourself. You can only learn that living on a college campus, so be ready for me to have a lot of super original thoughts and ideas that no one has ever considered before until my professors told them to me.
And I can't wait for any opportunity to espouse them as contrarily and condescendingly as possible.
Honestly watching these two jump thru mental gymnastics to not say the obvious argument is hilarious (2nd debate) and neither can say "You need to be happy with who you are and accept it" because that would completely go at odds with their gender theory beliefs.
That is why people are against cosmetic surgery but are not against cosmetic products and maintenance. It is a permanent alteration to your body and much more excessive than a healthy person should even consider. These surgeries should exist for people who have deformities, were in accidents, or whatever circumstances bit by a dog or something.... not for people with ego issues and problems accepting themselves.
It seems to be the case throughout all periods of time that people will go to far lengths to alter their physical appearance, sometimes to their own detriment, but I don’t think it’s something that should be made illegal. If a consenting adult is sober and of a sound mind they should be able to make the decision to alter themselves and it’s best a professional like a doctor does it then people going about and doing their own DIY treatments. That’s the thing about the concept freedom it gives you the ability to make decisions about your life that other people may view as negative.
Why should deformities be an exception? What is a deformity? Is a huge nose or extremely weak chin a deformity?
@@dannysha6458 Yeah I dont think it should be illegal at all, and adults can do what they want.
We are talking a social stigma and shame level here only.
@@Seri-dy5dd It is a bit of a contradiction at the end of the day but its because society is not really ready for someone who has a physical deformity.
Is just being ugly a deformity......? Well that I would have to think about. Let me get back to you on that one, I am stoned playing Dark Souls 3 for the first time
@@DaddyDizz716 Yeah that’s what I’m stuck on. It’s easy for people who are naturally good looking or even average to be against plastic surgery. But it’s hard for me to blame someone who is genuinely ugly and likely bullied and tormented for being ugly their whole life for getting it. BUT it feels like you can’t just say “well ugly people can get plastic surgery but average looking people can’t”. Because that still might impact beauty standards- average people would start to become the new “ugly” people and treated as such.
THIS CHICK IS SO BAD FAITH WHY DOES HE KEEP HER AROUND??? 🤬
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Destiny sounds like he would have been pro segregation too. If bathroom are for the comfort of the majority
Are you saying that the vulnerability that women feel in the bathroom with a man is the same feeling that a white man would have if a black came into the bathroom?
That's literally not his point. The point is that if social stabdards were to segregate based on race would you as a mixed race person be accepted in the white or segregated bathroom? Would you uabe a choice? No the choice would be determined by what you look like because that is the social contract in operation. Just as now, the social argument is about gender based appearance. Another more general form of this argument is actually to question the Trans foundation of sexual amprphism because, gender is based on your genetic and biological make up much like race, I don't think you would be very happy with a white person identifying as black.
Her little life experience is her biggest fault in all her takes.
I think when it comes to issues like this it seems we only fixate on the Trans experience. We are always focusing on how the Trans feel and Women always get left from this conversation often times. And it's kinda frustrtaing for women because there are uniques issues that affect Women that Trans won't understand. And that's not to say Trans existence is invalid. And the most upsetting thing for Women is to be told that our very existence is superseded by the feelings of others.
Women don't feel comfortable sharing bathrooms with bilogical men. Period. There's also issue of safety for the adult and kids and the possibility of sex perverts raking advantage of this . Just have your own restroom or bring a bucket pls
Unisex bathrooms is such a uniquely (North) American problem. People really gotta get over it.
I think you mean sex-segregated bathrooms. Unisex means it fits for all sexes.
First?
Farha needs to stop trying to have a conversation in her head trying to get 3 steps ahead of destiny. Numerous times there were easy questions and she took a while to answer and when she did, she gave the path she thought the convo would go.
Chicks love randomly saying something is random.
Destiny loves arguing with people 13 years younger than him
i am now convinced that females (or people who identify as female) are not capable of debating a blue hair trans black stripper
You know a country needs to experience some hardship when topics like this are prevalent
My stance for a while has been have shared bathrooms that are esssntially a bunch of private closets with a toilet and air exchanger connected to a very public and open to the establishment shared room for the sinks and whatnot, have 2-3 slightly larger rooms for for disabled people, etc and call it a day
It's just an arbitrary standard Destiny has on what is too far cosmetically. Why are you trying to argue about this like it's objective?
"Im just saying" is the WORST shit.
My friggin mom and sis do it all the time, to now OWN anything.
Farha 20, Destiny 0
Lmao😂
"Why do you think an individual's comfort to go into the bathroom that they want is more important than everybody's comfort in that bathroom?"
All you have to do is rephrase this or bring up how most men would be fine going into the woman's bathroom. If the men's bathroom was full and there was a line up but the women's was available, the "individual" would be fine using the woman's bathroom but they can't because of "everybody's comfort in that bathroom"
I’ll admit that this is completely anecdotal, but I’ve definitely experienced the corollary of the obsession conservatives have with transgender people now. I’m a straight, cis dude, but I’m really short with really long hair and a full beard. In the past, it wasn’t uncommon for people that saw me from behind in line at a store to accidentally think I’m a woman because they didn’t see the beard. There was also one hilarious incident where a guy walked into a bathroom while I was pissing, then immediately walked out and said out loud to his friends, “Bro, some chick is in there pissing standing up!” We both had a good laugh about it when I walked out. That sort of thing never bothered me, as I totally get why someone might have that reaction. Recently though, if I’m commenting on stuff online where my profile picture shows my face, conservatives will almost always assume that I’m trans; especially if I’m defending trans people in any way. Since they can’t hide their “concerns” about trans people, they’ll usually make disparaging comments about that assumption: things like calling me “it,” or saying that I’m “confused about my gender,” or that I have some mental illness because my parents didn’t raise me right. This idea of the trans woman with a full beard and a wig is so uncommon (not saying it doesn’t exist at all), but they think it’s what every trans woman looks like because that’s what gets thrown around constantly by the media they watch. They definitely have Matt Walsh syndrome, where their view of reality is completely warped by the amount of attention trans people get in the media.
While I’m inclined to agree with Destiny, my own experiences are pushing me towards agreeing with Farha. Should I be forced to use a woman’s restroom because some unhinged guy is “uncomfortable” when he sees another man with long hair at a urinal? Am I not allowed to use any bathroom because his Fox News brain rot leads him to assume that person is a trans person trying to grape their kid, and women would obviously be uncomfortable with a man in the woman’s restroom? I agree that private, genderless bathrooms should just become the norm, but people also need to get over the obsession with bathrooms in general. In NYC clubs, it’s not uncommon to have genderless restrooms where the sink area is open to everyone, but then there’s a bunch of small private “stalls” with actual doors. They’re more like a bunch of individual small private bathrooms without sinks, so there are more than just 2-3 toilets.
It’s so weird when the discussion even touches on male bathrooms because males don’t care. The entire discussion should only ever be about female bathrooms and people that seem to be men not being in them making women uncomfortable.