Trans Women Can Get Period Cramps? Destiny Gets Into Trans Debate
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"I just FEEL like" is the root of nearly everything wrong with the entire trans debate
This entire decade!
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I try to just say what I'm thinking straight or use I think at the beginning of my knowledge dropping.
…that’s literally the entire basis for transgenderism. You can’t criticize an argument based on feelings and then say it’s legitimate to make society refer to someone as the opposite sex based on that person’s feelings.
Hi Trans women here. I've been on hormones for 4 years. We don't get periods. We're not all crazy just the ones on Twitter.
thank you for your service.
@@octs609 😂
I feel for you it is people like this that is going to make your life hard!
Great stuff
@@octs609 Thank you for your cervix.
"You can't have cramps if you don't have the thing that makes cramps!"
"I just _feel_ like..."
😂
When feelings don't care about facts
I can guarantee if they ever ONCE felt how bad period cramps CAN be, for some women, they'd be doing everything possible to get rid of them.
It's like phantom cramps
“Your facts won’t change my feelings!” Like… you don’t have to have period cramps to be trans.
This whole 'trans women have period cramps' debacle really shows how little the average person understands about periods. The fact that a significant amount of people do not understand period cramps come from the uterus contracting to expel the uterine wall is insane. It's not a tummy ache, it's the uterus, which transwomen don't have.
Ultimately however, it is hormonal cramps. All genders can receive hormonal cramps, but only anatomical women can menstruate. The topic is misrepresented by the speaker as they are not knowledgeable enough to understand the difference. Also, when estrogenic hormones are introduced into a anatomical males body, they are more likely to develop hormonal cramps.
@@BriannaHall-ql6niim a trans woman and i get periods. Ive had cramps and checked underwear after and there was all blood on the back where the anus is
@@BriannaHall-ql6nino.
@@skuzzlebutt9745hahaha, that's not a result of being trans woman; that's a result of being a homosexual man.
@@Leo_Pard_A4 explain that how then
Destiny is clearly wrong here. I'm a trans woman and I get painful cramps in my stomach after I swallow an entire block of cheese. Checkmate.
Me: THESE ARE PERIOD PAINS, MUM!. Mum: No, son. youre an alcoholic.
OMG, I'm a CIS dude and I get painful cramps from that as well! Am I having periods!?
😂😂
You had us in the first half
I'm a block of cheese
Its crazy to me how delusional people are getting
Or maybe you are the crazy one, assuming that people are like this and not just the 1% that like the attention.
For real. It's so weird seeing one group try and convince people that all trans people must be some crazy delusional person incapable of being a rational being.......but then on another hand you see some trans and non-trans alike trying ton convince others that they can just materialize organs and functions around those organs out of nowhere. Both of these groups are making me feel like dysphoria and pursuing femininity as a cure isn't that big a deal compared to being these crazy people xD
Getting? They always were
😊😊t😅 on
Everyone is going crazy because the internet has created circlejerk zones where people just say non-sense and everyone accepts it.
I feel like there is a lot of trans women who are very misogynistic and are very dismissive to women and our experiences. Thank you for pushing back. It’s not about hate it about logic
That's because they're REAL women and not cis women.
I'm being sarcastic, but some of them actually believe that.
There aren't any trans women, just men with mental disorders and bad doctors
Lol there no such thing as a "trans woman"
Transgender people don't understand that sports competion has never been based on gender, but sex. Biological sex, which as they claim, is different thing than one's gender identification. Now, when it benefits them, they confuse the two?
@@ZawieHa *anatomical sex, to say biological, which is the study of life relating to behavioral patterns, would be implying that trans people are biologically born as one sex, because they are. An anatomical male can be a biological female, because their behavioral patterns and their neurological process can align with a different gender than their anatomical body.
What's most annoying is that we all just seem to accept that injecting estrogen is all it would take to experience life as a woman. That's ridiculous.
Just more pretending from people who see nothing wrong with pretending. Frankly I think they think EVERYONE is faking so they are just playing the game.
@@sole__doubt clearly not ALL trans people are faking. Plenty of people have transitioned long before the times when it could possibly benefit them in some way.
@@sole__doubt There is nothing wrong with pretending
@@user-fp5er1wk6rEverything is wrong with pretending in the real world. You wanna pretend? Play a video game then
@@Boss-ot1iy Okay tell me something wrong with pretending apart from ''everything''.
I love how he started the conversation with “someone has to be the adult in the room” only to end up being obliterated on his point in the first 12 minutes 😂
“Huh huh huh im a little nervous” 🙄
I have a hard time believing people exist so confidently like this and aren't actually trolls. Accepting they're real people is actual pain.
Yea he ended up sounding stupid
These trans defenders are out of their gd minds
@@anthonybenincasa They're less a trans defender and more of an actual moron trying to disguise themselves as a supporter lol..I wish these "supporters" would gtfo because they're making the bar to sanity look quite low for what they claim to represent.
He's ego is usually unchecked
As someone from a bodybuilding background, it amazes me how little these people know about hormones and how they work
I’m super jealous of how knowledgeable about the body bbuilders are. Where do they find all the research and stuff?
That More Plates More Dates guy recentlt had a video where he went through some changes Gear users go through. Some dudes get all kinds if fetishes and sexual preferences, depreasion et al, Messing with hormones is a wild business bruh.
@@starlord157 most if it comes from clinical literature and personal experience on the bro forums. Bodybuilders have to know these things or they will permanently destroy their bodies. There is a reason we aren't so eager for trans identifying people to hop on hormones. The majority of the people who have experienced the worst sides of exogenous hormones are Bodybuilders.
@@Mr_Extra_Regular He has a name, SIR! (I’m pretty sure it’s Derrick)
@@jnnx lolz... thanks for that bro, I don't think he'd be offended if I referred to him by his channel name tho...
2 men debating whether other men can get period pains.
This was a pain, period.
Two men debating
The power of periods
Common sense has died 😢
@@GeneralBlorpa woman is a woman who identifies as a woman
As a straight white cis male, this dude gave me period pains.
@21:00 “[I don’t know if I agree with your statement that] it feels sh!tty to women when transwomen come onto their community/spaces/sports, and that’s being dictated largely by an overwhelmingly male population..”. News flash: TRANSWOMEN ARE MALE, and have been raised with all of the male privilege that entails. We have had enough with males telling us what we can and can’t do, how to think, and how to describe ourselves and our experiences! Also: we’re not ‘cis-women’. We are WOMEN. Note also that *none* of this crap affects men. How would you like being reduced to an ‘ejaculator’ in the name of gender inclusivity?
As a menstruating woman with fibroids and a history of painful periods (due to an organ known as the uterus), I can only roll my eyes. How did western society become so idiotic? I appreciate Destiny for showing common sense and knowing biology.
Because we've got a huge population of young people brought up to believe they have a duty to change the world for the better, but no accountability for being wrong. Thus they are easily maniplated by anyone claiming they're fighting for such "noble" concepts as human rights and social justice. No matter how many contradictions they face, they supress the cognitive disonance by telling themselves they're on the right side of history.
Why do you think trans woman having period symptoms makes you less of a woman? So insecure... 👀
@@irock123ab because they’re making a mockery of and actively celebrating a thing that is an, at times, very embarrassing and debilitating experience for biological women? I wonder why someone might be upset about that 😂
@@dylanshandley1246 where? Where are these strawmen who are mocking or celebrating periods?
@@irock123ab Have you actually looked at Twitter at all?
The smugness and confidence he came in with just to be insane
The fact they think they're doing something right too ugh
I know right lol
Watching him come in hot like that only to stumble over his words and fall apart over 40 minutes was amazing
And it happened kinda fast too 😂.
I don't know did I missr he seemed pretty fine
People with hysterectomies don’t get periods so they definitely don’t get period cramps 🤦🏼♀️ unless they got a partial, which for Destiny saying he doesn’t know much about the female reproductive system, I am super impressed that he even knew there were such things as partial hysterectomies. Even then it’s not actually menstruating sometimes. It depends on if you get just the uterus, some of the uterus, the ovaries, whatever removed…I think trans women who think they are having periods are experiencing indigestion, gas, and a highly volatile need for attention. Period…😁
He just does research on the topics before he debates people, that’s part of being prepared. The issue is that his opposition usually has hard set beliefs that make them refuse to do research unless it confirms their bias. I disagree with Destiny on a lot, but I do really like that his positions are malleable based on the information he finds.
My gf had a total hysterectomy and shortly after in the recovery stage she was experiencing what the doctor phrases as "phantom pains" like uterus cramps. She said it was comparable but further along they went away.
I’m sure residual pain is felt, but it went away, yes? Of course it did.
Yes it did but the phenomenon is that the healing process was done as examed by doctors and the pain from post op had diminished BUT she would experience, and still does sometimes randomly, pains that feel exactly to her that was almost identical to her uterus cramping. There's nothing there to cramp or to cause these sensations. It's a real thing and it's very odd but real
@@ArsonPanda909She is delusional as well
@@ArsonPanda909 Yeah and they are phantom pains, same as you would lose a finger that has been hurting your whole life. Your body is used to it still being there and hurting at times, it's purely psychological. But this effect can not be reversed, you can't experience phantom pains over something you have never had in the first place. It's not the same thing.
@@Strawn149 No, that’s actually very common in people who have lost a limb or body part. Look it up. You can find videos of amputees feeling genuine pain from their lack of limb.
It’s a psychological phenomenon and is not at all delusional.
As a woman on my period rn, I’m just speechless….
thank you Destiny for speaking for us women at a loss for words, I don’t have the energy for this level of delusion
Right! I too am on my period and this period delusion drives me nuts. He only conceded when Destiny asked him if he would believe a trans man complaining about blue balls. This guy only understood why women are annoyed with this trans period stuff when he was presented with a situation that only bio males can experience. Meanwhile, womens unique experiences can be a figment of male imagination
Exactly… I was blown away how quickly he dismissed the idea of trans man experiencing “blue balls”!
The cognitive dissonance, and utter disregard for women is astounding.
Well it’s cause Destiny is a woman’s name
@Stolen Bronze and the crazy part, blue balls arent even real.
@@notanaughtymouse I mean, they kinda are.... The experience of blue balls is real
Some facts about period pain:
The uterus produces a chemical called "prostaglandin" which makes the uterus contract. Higher prostaglandin levels = higher contractions of the uterus = more pain.
The contractions can also put pressure on blood vessels around the uterus, interrupting the blood and oxygen supply to the muscles of the uterus.
Less oxygen = build up of lactic acid which causes pain (Anyone who had a intense workout will know what I mean with that.)
Knowing this, can trans women have period cramps? I think not.
Edit.
If you're a Trans Women and experience what you think are period cramps, I would highly suggest to go to the doctor asap. Another thing that is in your belly area that hurts like hell is the impending doom of your appendix.
Thank you for commenting this, the idea that you can have period cramps from ESTROGEN alone is crazy because there are just so many hormones involved in the menstrual cycle besides estrogen.
everything in your body produces prostaglandins, it’s the substrate for inflammation and not unique to having a uterus.
@@salkohrnjic1991 but isn’t the point, period cramps are cramps in the uterus. No uterus, then no uterus cramps, no “period cramps”.
I don't think any trans woman actually believes they have period cramps. They're just giddy at the thought of being part of womanhood so they delusionally proclaim they have period cramps. And then we have have an army people who insist that we must allow them to have that belief barring which, any attempt to tell the truth is seen as being unkind, rude, non inclusive or the regular one - a transphobe.
@@patmacrotch5611 I’ve experienced muscle pain associated with cramps in my lower back, abs, and obliques. It’s definitely not solely localized to the uterus, which is only about 3”x2”. I don’t know what the physiology of the pain is, but it definitely feels larger than just the one organ.
I think Destiny navigated the first topic really well, but I think he could have asked something like what if a trans woman tweeted something like "I'm pregnant, I'm so happy!" Would the other guy still be arguing "Hey lets just wait on the science and the body is really weird and complicated!"
On the birthing person topic, if I understood Destiny's argument correctly, I think a good example to bring up would have been what happened at Evergreen College. Where it's one thing for black people to excuse themselves for the day in order to protest, but its a very different thing to demand white people not attend class on a certain day. Similarly, its one thing for a trans person to choose their own pronouns but quite another to start demanding other people change the words they use to describe themselves.
"I hear what you're sayiiiiing, but I FEEL like I still desperately want to be an activist."
Well yeah, activism without feelings is just business.
this gave me period cramps in the brain
Must be the hormonal effect of listening to insanity.
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Hahahaha
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Congrats, you're a woman now.
If you never had a uterus and don't get one after transitioning, how would you even know the pain you're feeling is period pain. I was considering if people this ideologically crazy really existed just the other day. I appreciate the video proof.
Yes. History is examples of radical ideology gaining prominence and causing issues.
This take wont be popular here but you're witnessing radical liberalism contribute to the decay of society.
I’m just like why not call it pain… unless they know for a fact that they are having a period! Which I don’t think you can have without a uterus!
@@nikolastiscareno4963 Because society has already warped reality for them, why on earth would it not continue to do so.
If someone is having real absurd pain in that area, they should stop calling it a period, and go get their abdomen checked. Inb4 one of these people have an impacted or perforated bowel that they convince themselves is a period when really its just a piece of their intestinal tract dying.
@@ATXAdventure idk what you’re talking about lol
As a former competitive bodybuilder and current trt user, most exogenous hormones are scheduled or administered with the goal of having the least amount of hormone fluctuations as possible. Mostly because, for males, when testosterone goes up, the estrogen tends to as well. Basically side effects tend to be worse with bigger spikes in hormones. Big spikes in either testosterone or estrogen can be bad, so I highly doubt these individuals are experiencing massive spikes, unless they’re not using a doctor and taking it upon themselves. Regardless, even with spikes, you’re not going to have “pain” coming from an organ that isn’t there…
Smells like DIY HRT
“I feel” “I feel” “ I feel” no one cares how you feel. Your feelings don’t determine reality. A huge thing to identify, whenever someone leads with “I feel” whatever follows is completely unfounded.
Lol listening to this person talk about these "issues" was irritating
I don't know if Destiny gets to this, but it is pretty funny that this dude says "You can't deny its existence until it's been researched", so we should just accept that it's real until then. WTF?
Yes that’s what we have been doing this whole time ! Over confirming and burying their heads in the sand because they don’t want to deal with the backlash even when they know the facts.
"An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
~Christopher Hitchens
Sounds very Religious.
@@Zefurion1988 curious 🧐
@@GeekyC chill out, buddy
It is actually kinda scary to me that these people exist and really think trans women have periods of any sort. Everyone has hormone fluctuations throughout the month, but your body doesnt just suddenly turn into a womans body because youre taking estrogen.
As a woman, I’m starting to feel bullied by these activists. I have no problem with trans people, but being constantly attacked for being a woman, it’s getting annoying. I don’t like the Cis prefix, and I don’t like having to watch trans people win with a clear advantage. These are my only issues.
@@pommiebears Didn’t you listen to what destiny said ? Only men care about that kinda thing, and they only care about it because of the male gaze, same as for fat people, men don’t care about fat being promoted as good because it’s dangerous, they care about it because they don’t have pretty chicks to look at anymore. /s
> but your body doesnt just suddenly turn into a womans body because youre taking estrogen.
Wow how dare you, transphobia is off the charts in these comments. You know this attitude is what causes kids to kill themselves right?
@@pommiebears yeh the "jokes," about trans women being superior..and many of the comments. Feels bad
@@pommiebears makes me feel for all the "incel," guys who do not follow the incel ideology. Constantly being called toxic and insulted.
I did not expect that ending when the other guy came in. Glorious chaos!
I can't imagine how mentally ill I'd have to be to get a pain in my tummy and decide "ooh it must be that thing I could've never possibly experienced even in an abstract manner"
Once again the demand / outcry regarding social injustice, racism or Misogyny is always much higher than the supply 😢
This man's argument "I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel"
Mrgirl?
"It's kind of unfair that-"
"I can sympathize, I can sympathize, I can sympathize"
I hear what you are saying... Where you are coming from...
"Fine, but I think"
There are many women like myself who have been overwhelmingly supportive of trans women all along, happy for them that they could join us (because being a woman is awesome ;)), who now feel very confused by the "period" cramps and "menstruation" thing. Anyone pushing this, trans or cis, whether they mean well or not, is actively harming the trans community by making them look insane. You don't have to have every single thing a biological female has. Stop it. That's point A.
Point B is that there is also a growing sense of betrayal among these same set of welcoming women, to varying degrees, about things like trans women athletes elbowing their way unfairly into professional women's sports before any inroads were even being made to address the bone and muscle density problems, with some then claiming as a response "well, guess you ladies need to step up your game, pussies," to these very same women athletes who did and do support them, but find this unfair (same thing with the activists who just want to get rid of women's sports. Um..what?).
Or things like refusing to acknowledge there is a huge problem with women's prisons when predators lie about being trans to be housed with women who they subsequently rape, and the response by many in the trans community was at first flat out denial that this was a thing, until the pregnancies, and then it was, "we'll just give all women prisoners birth control pills, pregnancy problem solved." Um..ok, the pregnancy situation solved, we guess, but what about the rapes..? Dead air. That's some cold shit, ngl.
Then it was birthing persons, or persons who menstruate (ironic since that is what is being desired now to the point of delusion), but not woman, a thing that means a great deal to so so many. The gender so earnestly wanted to be seen as now being reduced to an automaton thing. Trans women find it cringe when cis people reduce them to their body parts, yet how is this not the same thing.
All of this is a slap in the face to the women that wanted to happily build trans women up, since they are now seeing many of those very same trans women seemingly tearing them down.
Yet, if we voice concern over any of this we're transphobic.
Well, I'm not transphobic. In fact, we are the proud parents of two wonderful trans boys (and, as for the women's sports stuff, we are also the proud parents of two athlete daughters as well, our eldest a coach of a boys team, even, and they think it aucks to see the thing that brings them such joy thrown on the chopping block. If it's so irrelevant, why are you trying so hard to be in it?)
Point C is nclusivity is great, but if one were looking from the outside in, this wouldn't look like inclusivity, where we are all a part of something; this would look a group trying to be more powerful than another group. I think we're allowed to be salty about the sheer disrespect, but more than that it is so frustrating to not even being able to address any concern without being screamed a transphobe. And all from the silence is violence crowd. That's the galling rub too.
Well, aorry I'm not aorry for talking about it.
And standard disclaimer: I don't mean everyone believes this or acts this way, of course, and I don't mean you if this doesn't apply to you, of course. Promise.
Thinking that you have 2 trans children puts you on the same level as someone who thinks a mtf trans person can have a period, you're just as insane as they are
Beautifully written and I agree 100% with you.
@@giselle_kvm Thank you for saying so! Very frustrating situation we are all in, for sure
I agree completely
@@BriannaHall-ql6ni :) ✌️👍
Whoever bro was at the end is my God damned hero 😂😂😂😂😂😂 fuckin troll of the universe.
As a woman who gets a period monthly, I have no idea why anyone is trying to argue for getting one. It’s not fun.
Because then they can further prove their delusion of being a woman and further the goal posts
They want the social sympathy for having that hardship.
it’s fetishists who highjack the trans movement online
@@josevonbuergenwader2it’s like sympathy signaling.
It's a sympathy thing and also to prove that they are in fact "real women".
It's not the oestrogen hormone that causes cramps-it's the literal contraction of the uterus that is triggered by the release of prostaglandin when the lining is ready to shed. I take birth control pills (which are also a synthetic estrogen) but get less cramping because the pills inhibit the release of prostaglandin and therefore don't trigger the uterine contractions.
Also the uterus can't contract if there isn't one lol. They are arguing a fantasy. As a Biochemistry student this stuff is just hilarious to me.
if only people had the slightest idea on what they were talking about before they preach literal nonsense
@@Mulmgott Biomed student here, completely agree. It's infuriating to hear people argue for this bullshit, and insulting as someone who has awful cramps.
Excess Oestrogen production occuring in males is already a known phenomenon and leads to a totally different kind of outcome in males. Specifically, one of the most prominent is painful swelling of breasts called Gynaecomastia.
Others are erectile dysfunction and infertility which arent necessarily concerns that matter to trans women.
They may experience delayed puberty which they desire, however it also can lead to short stature and low libido which may not be desirable.
Documented occurrence of cramps in these cases are not existent.
Males with higher oestrogen and who don't have a uterus don't experience those cramps.
It's not wrong to narrow down the cause of these cramps and tie down the occurrence to the presence of a uterus.
Furthermore, there is certainly evidence of medications and procedures specifically targeted towards the uterus to alleviate cramps.
I feel like Destiny didn't need to go to deep into menstrual cycles to prove his point.
so you're a birthing-person
Cramping in trans women is either gastrointestinal related cramps being falsely associated with period cramps.
Or
They're experiencing purely psychosomatic pain. Which also inherently has issues as they've never experienced menstrual cramps to compare the experienced cramping to.
People like this need to be jailed. No joke they are destroying our society. Confusing kids and young adults. I hate this person that destiny is talking to I hate them
Worst thing social media like Twitter has done, is give people like this a platform
Free speech my dude.
The problem started from Tumblr.
@lam PAd True true. In fact I'm clicking off this video, because honestly who cares what some random Twitter maniac is saying. He can cook, we just don't have to watch the barbecue.
@@lampad4549 sure. My issue with having a platform like that is that it creates traction.
And also, we still had free speech before social media
@@lampad4549 the issue is people can say what ever they want, but to speak to the masses it was regulated in the past there was a barrier to entry. Money, a job, a press, people had less free time etc
As a woman with endometriosis I wish they could experience what I do every month at least once, maybe they wouldn't be asking for these period cramps so desperately
Yep.
Right? When you could literally bite through wood, or climb the walls, because the pain is so excruciating. When you have to have an operation to “scrape away the thickening” inside your womb, as it’s “overly vascular”! I lived with Adenomyosis for decades. It’s similar to endometriosis, but it affects the inside of the womb. To put it very simply.
I would be in so much pain. Sex was incredibly painful. Life…was painful. I am in menopause now, so I no longer menstruate. It has been a relief…. But then you have the symptoms of menopause lol. Which took me by surprise. Anxiety, depression, agoraphobia even. But, no more pain ❤
@@pommiebears I feel you! With many missed diagnosis, all the "we all go through it" and even the "maybe you just don't love your partner and don't want to have sex with him" I finally received diagnosis. But being 25, not knowing if I will be able to have kids and currently being on farmacological menopause, it's tough. My best wishes go to you, I hope soon you will be able to live your life without pain and anxiety!
No one is asking for them Karen. They are just talking about their lived experiences and you're calling them crazy for that. Good thing no one's ever done that to cis women 🙄
@@ThereAlright are you literally complaining about your lived experiences being dismissed while doing the same to trans women? 😂😂😂 Giiiiiiiiiiirrrrlllll
"Until there is research, just accept their absurd assertion!" - Big Brain
All that crap is coming from Academia.
It's not Twitter or Tumbler who is pushing this stuff into Academia.
It's the Academia generates this lunacy & Twitter spreds it around.
The Academia have been using this language for a decade now - "birthing process", "birthing people", "birthing sisters"....
It's like meta for them.
@@bestdjaf7499 In general, I agree. However, I think Twitter users take to concepts academia is just floating around like zealots to a religion. They take sort of soft academic concepts and want to implement them as policy (even if academia at large wasn't suggesting that). It is sort of a viscous cycle as academics are seeing a chunk of the public take to their ideas with zeal.
@@Telthar
I understand your position, but it's absurd to argue that Twitter really involved in the Government policy decisions.
The government uses Academia to justify the policies.
"Biden Admin Replaces 'Mothers' With 'Birthing People' in Maternal Health Guidance".
They didn't do that b/c they have heard this on Twitter.
*
Ok, Twitter might have a bit of influence, but it would be ridiculous to assert that the government makes decisions based on some idiotic ideas on Twitter.
When my period started at age 12 the cramps were so bad that I had to lie in bed with heavy books on my stomach to try to get relief. There was no medication available at the time (1970's). I'm now 52 and my periods are so long and heavy, because I'm entering menopause,that I've had a Mirena inserted to stop the flow. Men don't know what the hell a period is and what women suffer from our entire adult lives. Whatever "pain" they are getting is because they are getting negative side effects from taking estrogen, which is not a male's natural hormone, so it makes their intestines contract. They dont have any of the other hormones that are needed for a cycle (LH = lutenising hormone..progesterone...FSH = follicle stimulating hormone). They don't know what period pain even is. Trans = "fake". Trans woman = fake woman.
Zherka showing up to troll him at the end was the icing on the cake.
He’s pissed me off with his nonsense the handful of times I’ve heard him come on so it was nice to hear him use his powers against someone else even more frustrating
Icing on the cake? It was the entire cake, good lord. I was crying laughing.
im a bit new to destiny and his orbiters but im so glad he was trolling LMFAOO
I hate when people who have no knowledge in biology argue about biology.
@@BritJim sex is binary tho
99% of people debating trans issues
@@BritJim human biologists have stated it isn't binary
@@Millie-Millionthere is exactly zero respected biologists who woul say sex is not binary.
That's how I feel when Marxists talk about anything to do with history.
@3:57 “I don’t think that any transwomen that say that they are having periods would say that they are having menstruation..”. Dude. A period IS menstruation. Menstruation IS a period. If you don’t get your period (i.e., menstruate), you check if you are pregnant. Symptoms of abdominal pain and irritability could be caused by anything from Crohn’s disease to eating a bad taco, and those symptoms alone do not a period make. Trans women do NOT get periods, because they can’t.
Plus, I’m menopausal and on HRT-just like transwomen-and I do not experience period cramps like I used to. Hmmm..
“What’s your problem with Malcolm X” fucking killed me 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣I can’t believe how funny that was to me
Those aren't period cramps, those are delusion pains and hemorrhoids. How did we allow people to get this far gone?
Because we don’t give them pushback and just overly confirm their comments, when we try to push back on it we get dog piled on and called all sorts. This has gone too far and people have buried their head in the sand too much to do anything about it now.
@@GeekyC That is how cancel culture work. You give pushback in real life you are out of job.
But have you considered the fact that the body Is complicated?
Easy, when liberals said men can be women and women can be men. With that kind of world view, what else would you expect to happen?
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 yep true. The amount of people who were drs or professors or teachers here in the U.K. and pushed back on this and lost their job is high. It’s going to far !
There's no way these people are serious, they're just virtue signaling and trying to posture themselves as being morally superior or a better ally. I refuse to believe they are serious.
thats how i feel about destiny or anyone else thats with that genderbender stuff
There's always true believers
I feel the same way with the 4000 genders/non-binaries and the 6million sexualities. Do you, live your life and be happy, but I'm not calling you a flubber-gender.
Never underestimate cognitive dissonance
@@Zer0Spinn underrated comment. Flubber gender killed me 😂😂😂
This is a prime example of a person just accepting an idea because they both cant keep their mouth shut about a certain type of person AND being terrified of of that same type of person 😂
As a father to three daughters, and someone who’s always struggled with weight and health related to such, I can 100% tell you that caring about women’s health is on the minds of dad’s who care about their daughters. And since men are needed to make babies, I would argue that the number of good men who are concerned with women’s health, are not as small as you may think. After all, don’t you care about the health of your son? And why is that? Certainly it’s not because of your reasoning…
Thank you, Destiny, for having the decency to call out this ridiculous BS for what it is.
I 100% feel if the left were more like destiny, we’d have much less conflict between the 2 sides.
Thats because even destiny can see some (not many) points of the right. Whereass the majority of the left will outright refuse to hear something the right is saying.
The fact that destiny gave this guy 35 minutes of his time is a testament to his patience.
The guy is right tho
I could’ve only advised he would ask his doctor. Let them deal with it as they get paid for it.
@astridbunny Nothing he said is correct. Males can not have periods.
@@DumbAsh00 🤡
Why? Just because you choose to attempt to feel cool by insulting people who disagree with you doesn't make it the right thing. Educating people is better but you aren't smart enough to do that 😢
Dude I cannot get over the end. That was literally one of the single greatest trolls of all time. 😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm rollin over here 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@KrazyVideoChick right??? 😂😂😂😂
Lupron and other "Puberty blockers" ravage your bone density. Those "period cramps" are a result of a significant reduction in bone density which often leads to a curve in the lumbar spine. Additionally, high levels of estrogen are commonly associated with low bone density in Biological males. Your bones are under a lot of tension from your muscles so reducing bone density has painful and potentially catastrophic implications.
Some of these people simply argue for the arguments sake. Doesn't matter how wrong they know they are, all that matters is that they pretend the issue is nuanced & they muddy the waters as much as possible
I don’t think it’s that, more so it’s these people are desperate to white knight for a persecuted community at any cost. Logic be damned
CLOUT chasers man, worse than trolls and cancer combined
It's because the absolute surface level of the argument around trans people is "Male and Female people have some overlap in some ways" and that tiny amount of haziness has been stretched to frankly ridiculous degrees, to the point of people claiming since there's a little overlap gender is all made up and means nothing anyway, or thinking that the average woman can compete with the average man in sports fairly because "we're all just humans so it's all fair" when top olympic male athletes use equipment DOUBLE the weight of top female athletes and STILL smash their records by a mile.
Idk about that. Honestly I could see this exact comment written about Destiny by someone who's ideologically opposed to him.
We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss people. Especially when talking about complicated subjects. Clearly, it's dumb to think that trans women are having periods, but it's important to know how that thought manifests. How many people could counter that argument well before Destiny gave his take? Probably a lot, but still. That tweet had almost 100k upvotes. It's good to know why.
I'm more sympathetic to the birthing person's argument though. There are exceptions where it's useful, and there's a nuanced discussion to be had about the inclusion of trans women in women's spaces.
@@MrGargamel1198 I dont think societies need to twist themselves into a pretzel for extremely small minorities. See, in France, we had TV spot about eating 5 vegetables a day, and walking half a kilometer a day to avoid cardio vascular disease. Do you think they should add "unless you're allergic to vegetable and unless you have brittle bone diseases" ? Or should we expect that the people who are exception know they are exceptions ?
As a woman, It appals me how some men would have strong opinions like that with 0 knowledge about women anatomy! 😢
That's for every gender and race
As a man with good knowledge of female anatomy, it’s even more annoying to know more about female bodies than most women lmao
@helloOki it’s not a conversation/learning situation here tho, it’s the strong set opinion when there is no knowledge to back it that irritates me.
@@jihanebyaz9738 Religion in a sentence
@@HelloOki "learning?"
If I dont take a crap for a week and I get cramps, am I having my period? This is better then most of the questions that goofy caller had
20:13
Destiny: "WAIT, WHAT? WHO SAID THAT?"
.."wait sorry I'm a little nervous."
Destiny: "ᵗʰᵃᵗ'ˢ ᵒᵏ"
🤣😂🤣 Zherka poppin randomly with "what's up n**gas"
Zherka trolling this kid at the end was GOLD 😂😂
I think one of the trans communities biggest problems working against them is their representation.
What? People saying that their designer grade downstairs hallways are better than the naturally born is not putting their best foot forward? Dylan isn't exactly living the lived experience of any ciswomen? Seems that the representation is entirely on purpose.
@@NicheGreens Well when you add a new sink to a room without plumbing and complain that your pipe is clogged...
@@MatthewMortensen1 then blame the neighbor for not being upset over your busted sink?
They will never be properly “represented”. The average person finds them either uncomfortable, or offensive because they’re stereotypically portraying themselves as something they aren’t. Which is why I think the whole non-binary phenomenon came into play, because it’s way to essentially ‘bypass’ that acceptance hurtle, because now you can claim gender is a spectrum (another social construct honestly), and that stereotypes exhibited by this one transgender person are really for anyone to exhibit.
Really I find it hilarious the many manipulative hurdles humans will go through to accept nonsensical ideas into society, especially when it goes against literal biology…
For every one trans person who just wants to blend in as the opposite sex and be normal, there'll always be 1000 AGP people who transition just to express hostility and exert power over people.
God level troll at the end from the special guest 🤣🤣
As a person with a partially unmelted brain, THIS is not even worthy of a conversation.
Dude, it's coming from the Academia.
They have been using this langauage for a decade, & now Teitter picked it up.
Btw, all that crap was & is paid by your taxes.
All this idiotic "Academic research" is paid & promoted by the public.
How can you get cramps in an organ you don’t have?
I also wonder if this person can get a headache having no brain. (I know headaches literally aren’t in the brain)
💯💯💯
You act like this would be the strangest thing the human body has ever done. The caller is right, the hormones could activate a reaction that makes a different muscle cramp. It's not that crazy of an idea
@@AyoT7 Even if you just accept that that's true, that doesn't make it a period. It's not period pains, not a period cramp, it's none of that.
@@AyoT7 if the muscles aren’t there that cause the cramping, you’re not having period cramps. It’s something else. Hormones could possibly cause cramping but it’s not period cramps. You need a uterus for period cramps. You need balls to have blue balls. You need tonsils to have tonsillitis. You need a stomach for stomach cramps.
Yes. The caller absolutely is wrong. A period cramp is a very specific thing. Attributing it to just hormones misses the entire phenomena that is a period cramp. They’re not the same thing.
If I have no arms and say my arms are cramping…am I having arm cramps? No. I’m not.
@@AyoT7 it can’t actively activate an organ that doesn’t exist in your body???
Love the guy coming in at the end to prove why it's a bad idea to give unending "sympathy" to people that are delusional 😂
He literally ruined the whole video. Imagine being stuck with a brain that can only come to with a high enough IQ to barely bust in black Jack and trying to navigate any conversation
WhY iS bLaCk SuPrEmAcY BaD?!?!?! ArE yOu A CoLoNiZeR?!?!
Very patient. It's insane listening to them trying to make that argument.
Trying to enforce so much gender inclusive language is damaging the cause. People are turning against LGBT in droves, pick your battles.
21:51 "It feels like you're so sympathetic around cis women but not trans women" No shit, it's the consideration of 51% of the population vs less than 1% of the population
Jesus christ, twitter warrior having a normal one
repent to God
When people having a conversation, and one of the people say “I just feel like…” as a debate. You lose me.
The term Birthing person may seem "more inclusive... but also reducing someone to their biological function you know the the thing people love lol
why are people trying to make simple situations harder? it's bizarre
There’s a currency of of oppression. They get attention, validation, and to control others.
Mental gymnastics to try and prove something that isn't true
The real goals are very different, completely hidden in the background, but for them to be accomplished, these ridiculous points need to be "won" according to some of these activists. That's their mindset. It's a very cynical approach to bringing about change. Plus, psy-ops and true believers also get mixed in, people that actually believe in these narratives/act like they believe it, and introduce chaos.
Because they clearly never grew up poor w actual problems
A trans man having blue balls is absurd to him but a trans woman having period cramps isn't. Makes no sense. Maybe it's because he's a dude talking about women's biology based on feelings.
I think its funny that everything destiny says, he says is fair and still yet wont let himself believe it.... Not letting yourself change your opinion and die on a hill you deep down don't truly believe in is a major problem with people today.
10:47 “Why, aren’t hormones complicated?” I cried. 😂
As a white man, I feel seen by Zherka calling us ”Starcraft losers”.
He really seems to have sympathy for our plight ❤
I'm honestly surprised that this even needs to be debated, I was on Twitter the other day giving information from the NHS and they were still claiming that it is a period. There is some clear delusion with some people and it needs to be resolved asap.
It’s not going it be, it’s getting worse and will continue to get worse, this is what happens when you feed into the delusions of schzios and give them the keys to the castle
It's called wanting attention.
Its literally just IBS lmao estrogen has a huge impact on IBS symptoms and if you didn't really experience them before, I guess your mind can assume its period cramps. IBS can be really painful and it sucks, but it ain't periods, nor do I imagine its as painful as shedding and bleeding out your uterine lining.
Big pet peeve of mine is people arguing from the position of "we" like as he says "we are not saying that" it defuses individual ownership of a statement and also attempts trampling via a sense of concensus.
He lost the plot when he started to actually engage with Zerka
The second he was asked "Is it okay for a white person to say they only wanna fuck white people" the answer SHOULD have been YES. There's nothing wrong with that, if that's their preference that's their preference.
That's one of my biggest problems with idealogs like this, the hypocrisy. If you want to be taken seriously you have to have conviction with regards to your beliefs. Everyone should be held to the same standards, and allowed the same freedoms.
If you believe group of people should be allowed to self-segregate, then it should be okay for ALL groups to do the same. If you think self-segregation is bad for one group, then it should be bad for all groups.
Hypocrisy is a sign that you either, don't truly believe in what you're saying, or what you say you believe is fundementally flawed.
I think I'm starting to understand why Ana Kasparian became so disillusioned with the online left.
Saying trans women get periods is like saying you can blow the transmission on your skateboard.
As a regular non trans man who is a man, i am simply here trying to reach out about your car's extended warranty.
It's hard not to cringe every time I hear "I feel" in a discussion or debate. It's objective vs subjective.
10:23 man is really saying "Fuck Common sense, me and my homies have mental illness"
"I'm hearing you, but I don't LIKE what I'm hearing from you"
"Doctor please help me, I having all these cramps, body aches and mood swing and I just don't know why, I mean I'm dumping all these meds into my body on a daily basis but I don't think that's what's causing it, being honest I think I'm having a period."
As stated, the delusion is real
When I hear "I feel" at the beginning to every statement this person makes I can't listen to what they have to say. It becomes really annoying because if you refuse the logical part of their argument they see it as you invalidating their feeling. So if you disagree, you're a disgusting person. They force a dynamic where the person they talk to can only be "good" or "bad". That's not a way to have a conversation with someone... :/
I dont care about your feelings
This is actually an interesting thing to observe. Many people preface statements with "I feel" or "I think". And researchers believe that women are more likely to use "I feel" statements. Therefore, men who say "I feel" instead of "I think" are BETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'd just tell them that I feel like they are an idiot and end the conversation because they are clearly not equipped to handle it.
“ I think” “I feel” “It seems like”… Bro came unprepared.
Hint: its NOT a period. It will NEVER be a period. They dont need menstrual products. EVER It's just insulting to women to suggest otherwise
Destiny "I don't need a study to confirm if they have blue balls or not" wow stunning and brave
Im not a fan of Zherka, nor do i know if he actually believes what he was saying but damn he trolled the hell outa that guy and it was mad funny...
He is very obviously trolling for holes in this dudes argument which well, he isnt making it hard proving the said dude is a hypcorite
“Holy goalposts Batman”😂😂😂
The uterus contracts to help aid in expelling the lining of the uterus. That's the cramp. No amount of estrogen is going to grow you a uterus. This is just pure nonsense. Damn Destiny! The fact that you engage in this is remarkable. You are the best. I love your debates. Chiefs kiss.
I think this could have been easily resolved if they just defined "period cramps" first. Period cramps or "dysmenorrhea" is defined as pain resulting from prostaglandin induced contractions of the uterus. That is clearly something that can not happen without a uterus.
What this guy was getting at would be psychosomatic pain, which is absolutely real and can even cause verifiable muscle cramps but still a different thing.
Seriously, this is an r/badwomensanatomy moment. They both haven't done enough research on this topic. Destiny literally says he doesn't know anything about this at 6:10. Why are they debating this???
Destiny did explain that
@@blazinpyromaniac I don't believe he did, got a timestamp?
@@iz2333 6:17
@@blazinpyromaniac Ah then we're not thinking of the same thing. Double timing a half explanation mid argument has a very different effect than properly establishing a definition and then making the argument on that basis.
Thankful for Destiny. He’s 💯 It’s absolutely not either of their place to discuss women’s language, terms, and the rest… I appreciate it.
Let's not bring people's places into it, _lady._
You get the advocate you get.
If you don't like that, then advocate for yourself.
Anyone that begins an argument with "i feel like" automatically loses.
I feel like thats true
I think Zherka is officially my favorite Destiny orbiter. He is so funny and creates so much chaos whenever he comes in stream
Finally someone from dgg understands
Zherka is Haz from the good timeline
who connected ?
whats u my n**gas !
LMAO
Bro was funny as hell in this stream
Was he being serious in anyway
Or was he just making him trip up on his bullshit
Love how caught he acted when destiny questioned him on studying blue balls. From what I’ve seen, no one is acting in this way towards trans men, it seems distinct to trans women. This is just another form of patriarchy.
How is it patriarchy to say a person who has never had a uterus has never had a period?
People arent acting this way towards trans men because trans men arent saying this retarded shit
@@nickchivers9029 I believe they're saying that the ppl saying they're having periods are practicing patriarchy because trans men aren't hollering about having male issues like blue balls but trans women are all in arms saying they know exactly how period cramps are because of hormones... Though they don't have the required body parts to actually know what they're talking about but everyone who opposes that thought are wrong 🤦🏿♀️. This is insane
I cant believe your conclusion was “patriarchy” HOLY…..what about mental disorder? Or maybe delusion?? Men can never catch a break, even being the first ones to stand up for women…
Someone ate my doughnut before I woke up today, could've been the patriarchy too. You just never know.
Man, I am so glad I am conservative.
He wouldn't be arguing this if he spent even 5 minutes learning about female anatomy, menstruation and menstrual cramps, yet he's going on and on trying to tell you that _you_ shouldn't rule out the possibility that biological men can have menstrual cramps because of _his_ ignorance.
Ridiculous.
I love it when Zerka is allowed to interrupt a good and respectful conversation with nonsense for no reason.
The test for whether Destiny finds a conversation interesting/fruitful is whether he threatens to ban Zerka for speaking.
This wasn’t a good conversation. This guy was insane.
What Zerka was saying was much more reasonable than the other guy
It might have been good and respectful, but I don’t think it was very interesting
It was a nice breather and was hilarious
As a thing here. The women in my wife’s family experience pcos, endometriosis pain, painful periods, etc. the actual treatment once you get old enough (in a doctors judgment) is a hysterectomy…
I love how the two debating at the end rode their crazy ideologies into the sunset. It completely unmasked them and their ideologies for the inherent danger they possess.