Q&A Derails Into Personal Debate Justifying Hitting Your Wife
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SHE DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO WALK AWAY! Crazy Abuse Defense Baffles Destiny And Erudite
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This is stupid I'm trying to reply to you about how f*****-up
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Why do you Millenials lack wisdom?
It's kinda ironic how you sympathize with Grace for having a manipulative, abusive father, while at the same time saying abusing your kid is sometimes okay by hitting them. You lost the debate with that answer. How the heck is hitting a child more justifiable than hitting a spouse. Around 2:05.00 is when you said hitting a child is sometimes okay, and before that is when you said hitting your spouse is never okay. You're sick. And I'm truly disappointed in you. I respected you a lot. But justifying child abuse is crossing the line for me. I would much rather I be hit by my spouse than to ever hit or have my child be hit. I'm an adult, I can handle being hit and I have more protections if I am hit than a child does. I will always sympathize more with children than any adults in these situations.
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Well, I thought Destiny and Erudite did well. But then Ben kept yelling that he and his daughter-bride took the W. That convinced me he was right.
The dad/daughter romance thing is 1000% false
"the" W? many many Ws, Ben pointed out that he took many Ws and Destiny took many Ls.
Ben and Grace seem off but I don't believe the incest stuff
@@anubisthacutest4752 At the very least, he's perfectly fine abusing her by essentially pimping her out. I do kinda get a feeling something weird could be going on though maybe not full-on intercourse, but there are clips of him slapping his daughter's ass when she got up in a swimsuit very casually like he does it often, combined with what I stated in my first sentence. Idk about you but idk any normal dad who does that to his teenage daughter. When you add all this up with the wife thinking they have something going on at the very least, it's incredibly sus.
@@JR-wf5kg yeah I agree. Shit is definitely weird.
Grace: my mom was abusive for yelling at me
Gace: its okay for men to do it so its okay for dad to do it
Wait is this weird but she wants to be violated by her daddy
The sheer amount of contradictions these two regularly hurl out is mind boggling
She seems so brainwashed by him
Devil's advocate: Grace would probably say that for her abuse, her mother deserved or needed an angry response.
I agree with Destiny and NSE that yelling at a partner is rarely productive, but it is understandable if her mother was being abusive. It is only their word though so who knows.
Because men are more emotional, oh no, have more anger
Debating these two is like trying to catch a plastic bag in a wind tunnel.
🤣
lol
If the plastic bag were severely mentally handicapped.
Never let em know your next move
TRUE
I had no idea Ben’s wife left him 6 weeks ago. That’s insane that he’s here giving relationship advice.
Welcome to red pill
His wife is on the call what you mean
Holy shit then if that’s true then why is Grace so deeply hurt about her mom leaving the home?? Like Grace you’re 20
@@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227 that’s his daughter but that says a lot about how their relationship looks lol
@@BunchyPanther42 Yeah, the timeline isn’t making sense to me.
I'm working on this with my 5 year old son right now. We say "it's okay to be angry, it's not okay to mistreat people because of your anger".
But we are all human and will STILL DO IT from time to time in our lives….
Because we aren’t perfect ❤
@Matthew Morton I HATE YOU
I'm sorry I was angry and expressing my emotions ❤
According to Destiny it's okay to hit your child sometimes, just be sure to NEVER hit your wife. But I'm saying, if you agree with Destiny and do hit your child sometimes, you're a child abuser. Worse than any other kind of abuser known to mankind.
@@Jake38nine u ok lilbro?
@@Jake38nineif u look at easter countries and African countries we give some smacks but not in the extension of abuse
Grace can't imagine a marriage and/or parents that work w/o yelling
I'm truly shocked
When you grow up in an abusive household, that environment becomes normalized and you adapt as a survival mechanism. This is actually an extremely common phenomenon and why a lot of people don't realize the extent of the abuse they endured until adulthood.
I did agree with raising the voice and it's different than yelling though. I'D rather have my partner raise her voice than being passive agressive or falsely calm but angry. Sometimes raising the voice a little bit is just being real in the moment, only in certain situations though. Because couples always have issues anyways, and people are emotional. So I don't know...
She's never had a relationship yet she's trying to talk about abuse. Makes no sense
right. As someone who came out of an abusive home and is now well past it I just want to shake her. Like I really just want her to get out of there for like a year and see how much her perception would change with distance.
@@forcealchemist2603 he was obviously being sarcastic ..
you are either scrolling through the comments trying to be right about something or very autistic
There is a 2000% chance that Ben is an abuser 🤷♂
Yeah. Do you think the incest stuff is true?
@@anubisthacutest4752 from what I've seen (which is just the stuff from Destiny's channels) probably not. He seems to be a fairly standard middle-aged misogynistic abuser except he's a lot more public about it. But this has all the hallmarks of a grooming situation
@@dellabooty you haven’t seen the uncle “max” guy talk to her then. The guy who told her to lick her panties on camera. He was telling her, her purpose is to be a slut. And to go on TH-cam and be a slut. To get views and money. Father is sitting there listening and agreeing.
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@@anubisthacutest4752 nah I don’t really think so, he’s just abusive in every other way
It's really gross how the dad keeps trying to find an insecurity then compliment after he bashes.
He's struggling because both Kyla and Steven are pretty confident and dont have any blatant or crippling insecurities
He just seems so evil. I know it's very cringe to say that, but I feel horrible for everyone this monster interacts with.
While I agree Ben is gross, but I lost respect and am disappointed in Destiny and Erudite. Destiny saying hitting a child is more justified or understandable compared to hitting a spouse, is deplorable. And Erudite not pushing back on that and making Destiny to change his stance on that. No wonder this world doesn't care about children and why adults are too afraid of being hit, but they justify hitting defenseless children. Cowards. Adults who justify hitting children EVER, but say a spouse aka an adult should "NEVER" be hit, is absurd to me. It literally boils my blood how much child abuse is justified over spousal abuse. I do not want to live on this planet anymore if that is the majority view of americans. I hope all the americans who think it is more justified to hit a child than an adult gets decked in the face, broken bones, and the assailant gets away with it because these ABUSIVE parents get away with hitting their children. I don't care if he said "sometimes". He said "Never" to hitting your spouse, but sometimes to hitting children. Nah, chief, you need serious correction on thatone.
@@Jake38nine bro you sound like you have some serious issues lmao. What he said is true, it’s a lot easier to justify hitting your kid vs someone hitting your spouse. People have different ideologies and a lot of people spank their kids.
@@Jake38nine not even a smack on the hand or pat on the butt?
My grandmother enjoyed beating her grandkids(slaps, punches, belts, wooden spoons, rulers, branches, sticks, brooms etc), whenever I would hear or read from someone defending hitting their child my mind would go straight to thinking they meant beatings like what I went through but they never meant that kind hitting, maybe Steven only means hitting as in smacking hands?
Plus, I understand a parent discipling their child, I don't understand a partner discipling their partner.
@@Ni-booidk any hands laid on me like that growing up really fucked me up. If you have to beat your child and CONVINCE your child that this beating is for the better by beating them more is pretty fucking gross. It doesnt do anything for me. It doesnt help. It doesnt work for everyone. Thus i dont think it needs to be used. Shits traumatizing for alot of kids. Often will make them think that it's okay to beat or lay your hands on kids like that. Its disgusting.
The only way i can possibly think of to explain Ben and Grace's behavior is that if they were to admit that Steven is being abusive they would also have to admit their relationship is abusive.
The shit is so obvious, I hate acting like I really know shit when Im just some dumbass on the internet but holy shit this is the most obvious case of a weirdo that has a inappropriate relationship with his daughter that he groomed and brain washed ive ever seen. Only reason destiny wont say it is because he is a super technical "I wanna have all sides and proof" kind of guy but nobody but abusers and abuse victims act like these 2
Exactly this
i couldn’t stop thinking this throughout the entire conversation.
@@txymxr "What do you mean yelling the worst possible thing at loved ones isn't healthy? Our family does it all the time and look at us...oh wait" -memeing
This is why Destiny is not breaking this 4th wall, he doesn't want to damage the chance she'll realize. You can't shatter a person reality without caution and hopefully empathy.
Him trying to pimp out his daughter mid conversation is wild
is Grace actually his daughter? or is it just a meme
@@Karaamjeet Its his actual blood daughter that he took from the household when she was like 16-18
@@lordofthegame5268 oh godddd agreeing THIS hard with your dad about how close interpersonal power dynamics should be, is concerning.
Bro there's no way no one deciding to mention that it's weird asf
@@lunarlegacy3762 I think it would just derail into defences they’ve probably had to make against their relationship already. The mom did them wrong and now he’s crafted a blood related puppet to mirror his opinions
I saw this on erudite's stream, the entire debate could be summed up as:
D&E: "you probably shouldn't ever shout at your partner while you are having an argument.."
Grace and family: "WELL, WHAT IF YOUR WIFE IS TWO STEPS AWAY FROM WALKING TOWARDS A CLIFF WHILE A HOSTILE AIRPLANE IS RUSHING TOWARDS HER AND A METAL CONCERT IS PLAYING SCREAMO ALL AROUND YOU: WOULD YOU NOT SHOUT AT HER TO GET TO SAFETY???"
"BIG W FOR US."
Yeah only thing I'd say is I wish destiny didn't let him think be was getting Ws because he simply couldn't pick up on destiny's sarcasm. I wouldn't want to give him the delusional satisfaction that destiny's doesn't think a woman can ever be in the wrong ever when destiny has been debating on crowder side as the devils advocate in other debates. Why let him think he's got a W? But yeah this was a s***show lol
Grace & Friends are just the DGG one guy
It’s never acceptable to shout as Destiny said is a pretty L take. Considering we can find videos of him shouting at his wife.
@fifiadan you understand that this is the exact type of autism that was pointed in my comment, as well as in the actual debate?
Massive W
It’s interesting how grace will change her stance each time Ben has a different opinion than hers. Almost like she was conditioned to do so! Reflects signs of abuse.
The fact that I will never be in a situation where I have to be in the same room, or have to talk to, Ben Thorpe makes me happy
Tbf you don't know that yet. we haven't seen his full form
@@fatnose0 I can be pretty damn certain about it given my trajectory in life 🤣Unless he's actually C'thulu ofc and there will be no choice, and there never was any😵💫
how does a deadbeat dad who's wife walked out on him and an abused daughter who will never be able to live a stable life, even get into a situation where their tragic life is used as entertainment for us
They're as much entertainment as a train derailing.
Idk I still have hope for her. She's still young.
@@anubisthacutest4752 bro she has no family or friends and she's mentally ill. it would be a miracle if she doesn't up killing herself or getting human trafficked
easy. they hunted for bigger communities after being in the crucible orbit for a while.
its just modern Jerry Springer
Destiny stopped taking Ben and Grace seriously and I honestly don't blame him because these guys are insane
They are quite literally delusional. They live in a world constructed seperately from any reasonable person and project that they are the reasonable ones. It's.... truly disturbing
Max - sHeS mY gOdDaMn DaUgHtEr
Ben - hold my beer
No bfr
😂😂😂
10/10
Ben is the textbook narcissist. Grace is the "golden child" in the narcissists family dynamic.
This!!! 💯💯💯 she is a budding malignant narcissist herself. I feel sorry for the man who ends up abused by her.
@@LizNeptune i dont feel sorry for ben at all
The fact Grace is absolutely and utterly flabbergasted at the idea that _anyone_ could possibly have a relationship or marriage where they don't yell at or with their significant other, says a lot and is kind of sad. It's probably not super common in very long term relationships, but it most definitely is the case for many couples. Everyone has different ways of expressing anger or frustration, and different ways of engaging in arguments.
My parents didn’t have the best relationship, but my mom admits my dad has literally never screamed at her in their entire marriage. I also have 0 memories of him ever yelling at me. Literally ever. For her to think that isn’t possible is insane, and they were not perfect at all
@@glittertea2025what about your mom.
@@kevinezema6159 I really don’t have any memories of my mom ever yelling in anger but I’ve definitely seen her get overwhelmed. I can’t think of a memory where she’s really ever yelled and screamed at me or him but he was definitely more calm and she was very outspoken about how she felt or what she thought
I think another problem is people's definition of what yelling means, or even raising your voice to your partner means. These types of discussion suck because people will start to really quibble over what constitutes X.
@@DemothHymside …. I feel like yelling is fairly obvious .. or raising ur voice. I feel like only manipulators want to say it’s up to opinion… I mean, you could literally say every word is an opinion. Did you walk? Well maybe… but to me u we’re going fast… so u were speed walking. Who dictates how fast is fast? Everything can be broken down to opinion.
"We've won We've won"
Does he think he can gaslight the audience like he does his daughter? Buddy you're gonna have to say something of actual substance in order to win.
What? So men aren’t allowed to be proud of themselves for their performance? Why do you hate men so much- Ben probably
Ben needs to get rid of that 300 pound chip off his shoulder!!!
@@BunchyPanther42stay single
@@animegirls3219 I’m in a loving relationship of 3+ years so can’t stay single. Also did you not realize that my comment was making fun of Ben 💀
“Destiny, you lost the debate, you changed your position! Meanwhile let me change my position from Steven Crowder is “negotiating” in the relationship, to “he doesn’t love her and wants to terminate the relationship”.”
Yeah… Makes complete sense…
This is what happens when people go full debate brain and have no coherent position to begin with. They will disagree with everything you say even if that means completely contradicting the last thing they said
While Ben is disgusting, Destiny also said hitting a child is "sometimes okay", while saying hitting a spouse, aka an adult, is "never okay". Child abuse is 100x worse than spousal abuse. I careless for adults in abusive situations because adults have many more choices and freedoms and rights than a child does. Hitting a child is NEVER OKAY and you should be labeled a child abuser if you justify it.
@@Jake38nine Do you have a timestamp for that? I don’t think the relationship between your child and your spouse are comparable. Lot’s of parents spank their kids, my parents spanked me when I was growing up, so I learnt pretty quick, I don’t think that’s comparable to hitting your spouse. And I’m sure if you asked Destiny “do you think you have the right to defend yourself if your spouse is attacking you?” he would say “yes” so context of the debate is important. When Destiny says it’s “Never okay” he is talking about in the context of a spousal argument.
@lynnhart 2:05:00 is around when the question was asked, and Destiny justified it by saying sometimes it is understandable, while before that he said it is never understandable to hit an adult/spouse.
Children are more defenseless than an adult. You do realize you were abused as a kid then, right? A kid cannot retaliate out of self defense. A kid can do nothing to protect itself. An adult can. Do not argue like Grace and defend your parents' abuse. Seriously. It is NEVER understandable to hit a child. You are simply a child abuser as much as Steven could be a spousal abuser.
@@Jake38ninedude holy fuck your other comment like 7 hours ago, that first one, really had me thinking you were for hitting kids but i see now
The dad just biting the most insane bullets is so funny.
"Do you think as a dad you should be telling your kids you don't love them?"
"YES"
Edit: Also, my god, he gets so much more vicious at Erudite than he does at Destiny. This man actually HATES women.
Baseddd
But he threw fresh and fit under the bus claiming they have women hating undertones😂, it was rich.
He is a perfect example of male toxicity. A weak man trying to be alpha
Timestamp?
There’s another clip in another video destiny made on him where he blatantly says, “I believe all women are wh0res” this guy is one of the manosphere final bosses.
I couldn't believe something could be more depressing than Max and Lev but here we are with Ben and his daughter-wife
I think these are my least favorite people destiny has ever talked to.
@@thehotel5758 it's like watching the Jerry Springer show but for niche micro internet users that take the Alabama joke a little too far. It's incest 75iq Gavin McInnes with his daughter-wife that just spits out whatever her Daddy says and quick defenses of his behavior.
@@thehotel5758 they make Q look like a normal human being
It is almost comical how every position the father has is so pro-abuse. Like, I did not think anyone - ever abusers - would say women like being hit by their partners, but this guy somehow finds the worst possible position to take.
No wait! Who would've thought on stream we'd see a father-daughter relationship weirder than Max and Lav's pseudo parental relationship?😂😢
"A man who must announce he's taken an W has no true W."
-Tywin Lannister
"you don't know anything about relationships, that's why your relationship with your wife is so crazy" - exclaimed the divorced man who's wife and most his kids absolutely hate his guts and one 20 year old kid who he controls and abuses who's emotionally and physically dependent on him, to the man who's married.
They never got divorced. She walked off and disappeared. They explain this to Destiny before this debate. His wife decided she wanted to keep the resources and the status and the tax write offs on all those kids.
STOP HATING MEN. You are anti-masculinity. Stay away from men.
@Deneteus so wait, she benefitted more from a poor man's divorce than a real divorce? You made it sound like she did something slimey
@@Deneteus, how is that any better? Taking advice and criticism from a guy who still seemed to chase off his wife, which seems to make sense from someone who talks about the need to control women and apparently believes you sometimes need to "correct" your spouse with a slap.
@@DeneteusI think you meant she Escaped!
Very telling, "i express anger so THEY can applogize, so THEY can problem solve"
Jesus christ
I hope Grace gets far away from her family and see what a healthy relationship actually looks like
@@Gchildwarrior the grace x Darius arc looms on the horizon
Destiny: "Grace, if a man is following you and yelling at you, is he physically intimidating you?"
Grace: "Yes."
Grace's dad: "I've done that to you before, it isn't physically intimidating."
Grace: "Yeah, what I meant is that it ISN'T physically intimidating!"
Healthy communication involves saying everything that you need to, but not saying it in any way that you want. The right to express your emotions isn't the right to be mean spirited, impulsive, provocative, or vindictive. The right to say how you feel isn't the right to purposefully say hurtful things, especially when it's obvious that those hurtful things are being said maliciously or with the intention of causing other people emotional harm.
I wish I could like this comment a thousand times, but it’s probably gonna get buried under the 100th “girls name lol”
Ding
That is person to person and cannot say he is abusive without context.
@@robertrios1732 no, you can
@@robertrios1732 bozo
Divorce dad and his emotionally stunted daughter argue that it's not abuse, its just good relationship technique to chase after, yell at, and generally emotionally abuse your partner when they "fail" you.
Does Destiny only have this new divorce? Or did he divorce his baby mama as well?
Ben 100% hits his daughter
*hits on his daughter
This is an even better clown show than anything Mr Girl has provided. Amazing content
Idk, I miss when Destiny helped me navigate politics before he became mostly Jerry Springer. It’s low brow content but I enjoyed Supreme Court stuff, Rittenhouse discussion, COVID, Ukraine, that sort of thing.
It’s weird to rave about Destiny’s political stances in the past only for new people see him becoming a drama channel. He still has good takes but he’s getting lazy and letting new orbiters pop in and drum up content while he responds every 90 seconds.
It’s wild how people like the Thorpes just seem to appear one day and then they’re everywhere haha.
Mr. Girl was a weird clown you'd hire off craigslist, the Thorpes are the goddamn Ringling Brothers
People's internet memories are so short he still debates people/talks with intelligent people e.g aella or aba.
It's just that you don't like content. So vote with Ur views. Don't watch a video you say know u won't like because destiny wouldn't do this content as much if he knew people wouldn't watch steams /videos of that content.
I personally don't mind this content, unhinged people are interesting and it's nice to witness destiny be a debate bro rather than a react Andy.
@@ChaseFace nah, lets be real, the blm, lgbqt, feminism and russian war debates became a circlejerk of the same old months ago and simply have no reason to be be prioritized, until proper laws and longterm studies are coming out reflecting and conrfirming or not the decisions made, wich will lead to tweaks and change hopefully to what we consider prove of progress, talking time is simply over, now all that matters are actions on a professional and responsible level we normies and authists simply dont have any place in.
this is just a placeholder until sth more interesting comes along, like ww3 wich china or a some equal shit.
When Ben Thorpe was going on his diatribe about managing emotions and how sometimes you have to be an adult and power through, the clip of him wishing harm and death on his son was playing in my head on repeat. Everything Thrope has said a man should do, there is an example of him doing the exact opposite with his family
Lmaooooooo on god and the video of Grace pushing her moms head and grabbing her by her hair
He's attempting to force his way into the anti destiny red pill space , and failing xD maybe its just me maybe I'm wrong, but all these points and his emotional "outbursts "seem scripted
Edit, hence why he has almost no response half the time or just repeats the usual or moves onto " I'm for men ur not" it's like sjw but for incels
@@cryptouk7985 Bingo
Grace realizing slowly that she's been an abusive person the whole time.
Ha, I wish, but no, I get no indication from her that her eyes are opening up. It would be nice if that were the case, it would make this whole story arc relatively wholesome in retrospect, but all these consecutive discussions have only cemented to me how deep in the hole she is. You can even see her smiling and sometimes giggling whenever her dad starts yelling, it's very disturbing.
This is the most unintentionally funny moderation. If the modern-day debate guy were actually an undercover comedian, id believe it
Destiny: you should never rip a person's cloths off and strip them naked without their consent first (context of conversation being about grape)
Brawny paper towel man: oh what about if the person has a medical emergency and the doctors have to do emergency surgery.. haha that's a W for me
lmfaooooo
Grace: Saying mean words isn’t abusive if the words are true!
Also Grace: My mom was so abusive because when I was young, she told me I didn’t correctly cook the Ethiopian(?) food.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Cooking ethiopian food wrong is straight up abandonment behaviour imo. She deserved it
I feel so bad for Grace. Its clear shes never experienced or seen a healthy relationship before.
cause shes only dated one person her dad 😂
She's already become the abuser in the cycle, so don't feel too bad for her
@@BrendanishLeo Yes and no. You can look at someone who does wrong and feel sorry that they became the person that they did without condoning the things they do. She is a very toxic person who seems like a land mine in the dating world (if she were to go out and date people her age.)
@@ZennZennster I never said you couldn't feel unless you were condoning them, I said "she's already an abuser, so don't feel too bad"
Since we're on the internet I'll go Godwin's mode, Hitler was abused and then went on to be Hitler. You can feel bad for him, but not too much.
Grace is already hitting family members and encouraging abuse, you can feel bad for her, but she's already a piece of shit so she doesn't deserve much
@@retroblue69696 wait i don't get it is the girl and the older guy a couple or daughter and father?
1. This guy kind of kills his own point in so many places. But in the connection to Steve Jobs: is it ever the best choice to raise your voice at your employees? You can say it’s effective but to say that it’s a good approach to any kind of dynamic would be wrong
2. I genuinely wonder if there are people who hear him going “another L for you” and think “damn he just keeps winning!” It’s such a bad debate tactic that it almost feels like someone intentionally throwing
I was thinking the same thing on the second point. It’s incredible to watch someone be so confident yet so insanely out of touch with reality. It’s on the level of Christian rap trying to act cool and hip with the kids, he is like if the phrase “hello fellow kids” was a person.
There were a few remedials in the Kick chat who would say “Erudite is so dumb” or “Steven and Erudite are getting destroyed” but when I pressed them on it they would backpedal and say “man idc about her”
So yeah unfortunately some people just treat it like a brainless sports game
Dude they're insanely delusional. The amount of times they're grasping at straws is beyond belief.
@@ChaseFace get your life together
I think his point was that Steve Jobs is universally loved esp among lefties.. but he wasn’t smart enough to get it out.
Learning grace was Ben's daughter made everything make a lot more sense. Ben is an unhinged man child and i can see the effect on grace. Kinda nuts
The talk about emotional regulation has convinced me that this guy is abusive. He justifies acting on your impulses and calls it a good thing "being alive." It is so utterly clear that he is an abuser.
Destiny: You have to have emotional regulation
Psycho: That's the problem with this generation, they have no emotional regulation
This guy has no clue what he's saying, just getting off on meaningless conflict
48:30 "As man, relationships are all about control"
Levels of projection never before thought possible
Bro doesnt understand that its our generation that's getting better at emotional regulation. Like his generation was the definition of unregulated emotions.
Yeah, I was shocked no one on the panel called him out for unironically using the "that's the problem with this generation" line.
- you shouldnt shout at a spouse, prolly not a good idea in general, and depending on the circumstance it can manifest as a form of abuse
> WHAT IF THEY'RE 85% DEAF AND ARE ABOUT TO WALK INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC WOULD THAT AUTISTIC NON-SEQUITER BE ABUSIVE desTINY HMMM? ANOTHA WIN WE STAY WINING
“WE WON THE DEBATE!”
@@cleancut3301the biggest cope in the world is to be like "YOU LOST THIS DEBATE" remember that clous shwab guy
Destiny justified hitting a child is more okay, whereas he said you should never hit a spouse, aka an adult. This is absurd to me.
@@Jake38nine yeah I hardcore disagree on that point he made, not only is corporal punishment ineffective at what it sets out to do, I simply principally reject adults physically harming their children, even if it were an effective deterrent or "correcting" agent
Unlike ben thorp apparently
@@darkmoon137 Thank you. It really bothered me that Destiny would say that and compare justifications of the two. I have a lot of respect for Destiny. I expected it out of Ben, so I wouldn't have been surprised. But I thought Destiny was a much better person than that. But I guess we all have our abusive flaws.
Destiny and Erudite: **any argument**
Ben: L + ratio + walkback + anti-man
These people are insane. Unironically thinking that yelling at your spouse to get their attention or alert them from impending danger is the same as yelling at your spouse in an argument is delusional.
Lol, It's so funny that this whole discussion about Crowder possibly being abusive has uncovered an actual abuse perpetrator.
Agreed. Ben is.
However, Destiny is sus too because he justified abuse against a CHILD as "sometimes it's okay" while abuse against a spouse/adult is "never okay". Nah, I will take a hit from my spouse any day before she hits my children. No way would I ever let an ADULT hit a CHILD. An adults has more rights and ways to leave a situation where there is physical abuse. A CHILD DOES NOT. Hitting a child should honestly land you in prison with the most miniscule of food possible for a human being and they must be subjected to solitary confinement for 25 years. No way will I ever let this down.
@@Jake38nineear Lord your kid is going to be a complete narcissistic brat lmao
@@Jake38nine yeah different people parent differently. I think a parents bond with their child is insane and hyper personal. And everyone has a different view on how to raise children
@@Jake38nine I think he was referring to spanking-which is wrong and I'm glad our culture is finally coming around to see that. But you obviously can't or shouldn't just throw people in prison for spanking.
@@Jake38nine Spanking is fairly defensible, it can have positive outcomes and not leave serious negative impact on a child.
Spanking an adult (as a punishment) not ok.
The thing is that as a parent you have to guide your child, as a partner you just kinda have to accept your partner and all you can do is suggest them to consider something.
Erudite’s face when the Thorpe daughter talks is like watching a puppy limping, so much empathy.
I love how, whilst asking “Why are uncontrolled emotions a bad thing in conversation?” she keeps cutting the person off from answering - providing the exact reason why you don’t have a conversation with uncontrolled emotions…
Wait did he advocate for holding your children to high standards and at same time is ok with his daughter being a high school drop out. Wow
Dropping out of highschool isn’t even an issue. The amount of successful people who never go to college or drop out of school is insane. You know better.
@@Moneyman-33 nice meme.
I mean….can’t she just find a rich guy? 😂
@@Moneyman-33 Yeah insanely low
@@Moneyman-33
If you want the best for your children and want them to have the best life possibly for themselves, as a parent, you would encourage high school and the either college or trade school for the best possibly chance at succeeding in life.
Sometimes super chats don't need to be read lol
Modern day debates loves reading them anyways lmao.
Ben the type of guy to buy M&M's, put them upside down, just to say he has a handful of Ws.
Good one!
The second Grace said her mom left 6 weeks ago it all clicked for me why these people are so crazy about this lol. This is some of the hardest cope projecting I’ve ever seen in my life
They could have explained Consensual non consent and BDSM to Ben better. Scripted and safe violence can be hot, even semi unscripted, but it needs clear boundaries
This is exactly why there's safe words, after care and limits set. Ben actually scares me with those views tho.
Yea they did a terrible job of explaining the huge difference between physical abuse in a relationship vs bdsm/cnc
It’s not okay to scream at your partner
So it’s not okay to be angry??
What? No, you can be angry without yelling
SO I’M SUPPOSED TO BE A ROBOT?
Yes the way a lot of men process and express anger is absolutely immoral and bad.
Yup
This is different to me tho. It kind of feels like "grandma racism". Where it's like some older people have these racial stereotypes so deeply ingrained it seems almost generational. I feel super deeply rooted misogyny and his idea of masculinity. I swear it's a brain disease. I don't even think someone like Ben can be changed at this point and his daughter seems far gone too
My feeling is that younger red pill guys are trying to "logic" their way to misogyny. Ben IS misogyny. I don't think he could even coherently explain his world view.
the best thing destiny said in this was that he and melina dont have a perfect relationship, they also have fights where they recognize they made mistakes afterwards, but in the moment it takes extraordinary amount of restraint to act perfect. the important thing is to recognize this, work on yourself and strive to do as best as you possibly can.
@@Ed-sz3wq His idea of masculinity is wrong.
But his idea that masculinity matters and all his “red pill” takes are mostly correct. He’s just an abusive nutjob who is copying the language of actual men, and then acting like it applies to him.
People act like the women question itself is misogynistic and that’s way too far in the other direction. The sheer fact women will get into these Stockholm syndrome/battered wife relationships says they do submit to authority. Even when that authority is harming them…
So imagine if they just had a good man as their authority…. That’s what it’s really about. But people see abusive guys like Ben and his mentality and assume ALL men do this type of thing with authority.
I can feel Erudite's mind collapsing real time.
I come from a household like this and it screwed me so bad. I kept picking the wrong partners. Partners that came from similar backgrounds. Finally, i got help and now in my thirties i realize how messed up it is to live like that. To raise kids in such an environment is so damaging.
So if I also came from a similar background am I not allowed to say I turned out ok?
@Matthew Morton did I say that?
@@Macheako yep that dude specifically told you that your lived experience is completely invalid and no one cares my guy 🙄 oh wait they didn't say that at all but live your bliss guy
@@PeanutFairy what kind of help did you get? Like a therapist? Jw
@jcherry yes, I sought out therapy after constantly having troubled relationships. I thought I had turned out fine and was oblivious to the fact that this behavior isn't normal until a close friend pointed it out. It took me 30 years on this planet to realize that interacting with loved ones like that isn't healthy and it's abusive especially if there's kids in a household.
5 minutes into this debates and you can already tell how abusive the Thorp family is holy shit 😂😂😂
Man that feels wild that they're saying this. "Screaming and yelling and threatening is fine to do for productive conversations" is craaaazy. It either comes from someone that hasn't ever been in a relationship that didn't involve screaming at each other over every disagreement or having only seen those kinds of relationships on TV.
Literally never been in a relationship and comes from an abusive home so she has no clue what a healthy relationship dynamic looks like
@@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227 I saw the follow up video about these people. They are crazy. It all makes sense now.
Somehow this video feels like a mom and dad (destiny and erudite) explaining to their really stupid children how the world works even though that guy looks like he’s in his 60s
Add to that the fact that both siblings are probably smashing each other or at least checking each other out ^^
(I don't think they actually are incestuous but there is apparently clips flying around of the dad slapping the daughters ass when she wears a swimsuit which is sus)
@@PuddingXXL apparently ?
Man I feel so sorry for Grace. She's young and can't see she's being abused by her father. I wish her luck in life, she will need it.
shes in love with him, they are a couple, love is love! 😂😂😂
And yet, Destiny would justify Ben hitting Grace, his daughter, more than Destiny would ever justify Erudite hitting Nick. Destiny flat out says, "Hitting your spouse is NEVER okay." but Destiny says, "There are circumstances wherein it is understandable to hit a child." Nah, fam. Destiny hates Grace more than he does Ben because Grace is the victim child, but Destiny thinks abuse on children is more justified than on full grown adults.
@@Jake38nineI think when he says there are some examples when it's okay to hit a kid are refering to very young children who don't know how to behave in public situations. He wasn't saying it's okay for a parent to hit their kid constantly and I'm assuming he definitely wouldn't be okay with it once they got to a certain age
@Merlin O'Neill We should justify hitting more adults whi don't know how to behave correctly then. Plenty of them out there. Some of them are in power even. But nah, let's defend adults, while assault defenseless children. Makes sense. Not.
@@Jake38nineNigga are you remedial? You can't compare hitting a full grown adult to a parent using corporal punishment on their child. This is the whitest shit I have ever heard.
watching Ben trying to defend his own role in his failed marriage through the crowder thing is pathetic
1:39:11
“There are times when a man can give a women a smack across the face when she’s losing her mind, and it’ll **reset** her…”
CAPTAIN, WE’RE IN A NOSEDIVE. INITIATE BACKPEDAL
“…if there’s an emergency she needs to deal with…”
WE’RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT-
“..if there’s an plane about to crash into a mountain”
Mission success. Great job everyone 👏
He's right.... if she's in a blind panic. The sudden sensory shock will bring her back to reality. But it'll work on anyone, male or female.
However, few people will ever find themselves in a situation where that becomes necessary. Otherwise, we shouldn't be hitting anybody unless it's in defense of oneself or others, especially our partners.
@@AngryReptileKeeper lol it looked like he added the plane crash details to save him from his first opinion, which was when a woman’s getting too emotional you can hit her to make her stop 💀
I am not sure how the Thorps managed to mischaracterize the same argument for four hours straight.
That cigarette is clearly rotting his brain, and Grace is latching onto one of those last rotting brain cells for dear life 💀
Ben: All women love being dominated and being hit and abused
Grace: trueeee
Bruh what????????
Yes, we absolutely cream ourselves over living in fear and distrust of our partners.
48:48 a perfect example of emotional regulation is: when a toddler falls down and bumps their knee, they cry, scream etc when an adult falls and bumps their knee they say ‘ouch’. The pain was the same, the shock was the same. Toddlers have not yet learnt how to emotionally regulate themselves, so there is an outward explosion of emotional behaviour. Adults don’t do this because they have more tools to handle the emotional response, better communication skills and social awareness to know whether it’s appropriate
I don't agree but I wlll not elaborate
@@rickross9829nah do please cause they're not really that wrong. Like thr way the explained it may be not but the example worker
If i were to make up a reason to disagree it'd be something pedantic, e.g. it isn't just social awareness or communication skils that plays into emotional regulation, a lot of general awareness and other developments take place, and also children are probably literally more sensitive to pain and it probably does hurt more for them
Someone lmk in 10 years when Grace does a huge interview/retrospective on her life and relationship with her dad looking back. Would be interest
The worst part about the thorps is how unbelievably cringe they are. Imagine being in your 50s and unironically using terms like ‘L’ and ‘W’.
Fucking his daughter might be worse but I’d say that makes the top 5
Lol It's kinda cringe but It's kinda funny that even in his older age he knows all the lingo
It's just a product of the online environment he spends time in to be fair. Nothing cringe really. His veiws and logic however are cringe
What is somebody his age supposed to say? Groovy?
Someone can say this about 34 year Olds ..
Its almost hard to watch grace run defense for her dad by proxy so unrelentingly.
Destiny's interview with these people gives so much insight into their views. Ben only applies his own experiences to every situation in the world and grace doesn't want to admit her relationship with her dad is abusive so she has to defend shitty behavior.
Ben Thorp is a real life character out of south park lol
I love how this guy says "non-consensual part" in relationship to BDSM as if BDSM isnt consensual, and then thinks thats what most people want. This guy is an abuser trying to justify his sick fantasies he could never get a woman to respect him enough to do.
5 mins in iv already had enough. Its like listening to 2 10 year olds giving relationship and life advice.
When Erudite was the only one to tell grace that her initial views on what she thinks a healthy relationships should look like were, ok, valid, and in-fact actually healthy, rather than her dads skewed. Really broke my heart, this "Father" is destroying her fucking mind.
Right this wholllleee video I was hoping she can listen to this other woman say like, no one should yell, no one should intimidate, and negotiating doesn’t sound like “my way or the highway” but I feel like grace is hesitant to trust or like other women because of her background :/
@@sugarbirb5145 I can fix her brooo
POV: single dude who was arrested for threatening their kids life gives relationship advice.
This moderator was.... odd
His channel is 90% religion vs atheist or flat earth vs round earth, they get excited when they get a big streamer and not just haz and jf
@@ChichiNaka I’m not familiar with him but it seems like he was new to receiving all those donos and wanted to maximize it… which is totally fine. It just came across a bit odd and mismanaged but oh well.
1:02:16
I felt Destiny right there, tells the beginning of the joke, wait 15 seconds while he laughs; then he finishes it..
Bruh I cringed
Lmao @ calling NSE a man-hater. Probably the woman who's most learned and empathetic towards men's issues in the entire leftysphere.
Ben (I think the father's name) seemed to pick up on her affection towards masculine culture and was sarcastically prodding her with the idea that she was anything else. Idk if it was lighthearted banter or slick way to get under her skin because she felt the need to clarify her positions on the topic
@@purples2765 he was just mad that she called out his inappropriate conduct, even though shes such a strong female voice in the pro equality for men movement.
@@Nightknight1992 you have to understand that this man is not clueless. He seems to do intensive background research before engaging with other people.
@@purples2765 youre overcomplicating this way too much, and all the interactions make it quite obvious he misjudged them gravely.
Why do I enjoy these debates that literally melt my brain.
It's like that great reset debate that was on the channel. I love watching unhinged shit 😂
Because it's the modern-day version of trash TV and celebrity gossip magazines, and humans love other humans' personal drama.
Destiny is slick as hell, closing statement was so well done. I hope it is the lifeline or even just a nudge for her to see it and get help. Damn well done, smart mofo.
For whatever reason it seems to me that Grace might not be straight. The way she got mad about green hair lesbians was some evangelical pastor level of mad. And her dad has everything to do with it.
Destiny still justified hitting a child is more okay than hitting an adult. Watch 2:05:00. That's the most disturbing thing in this video.
@@Jake38nine bro, disciplining a child that is out of control and in his case in public is perfectly fine. Even clarified that not doing it later as punishment with a threat. He saying kid out of control could use a quick smack back to reality. That is way different than beating your partner. follow some logic and reason.
@@Jake38nine there are perfect examples of kids who need to be hit at Walmart lol
@@discrtidunkwn You don't even know how to read logic or reason. The fact that you defend smacking a DEFENSELESS CHILD shows how illogical and unreasonable you are.
I love that the guy that took his daughter to a motel sometimes to get away from his wife is arguing that it is abusive to take space from a partner
Destiny: Raising your voice usually means you are emotionally disregulated. It’s probably not a good thing to do.
Grace: You can’t express emotions?
We need to bring back the concept of shame like wtf why would these two ppl air out their lives online and not be so embarrassed by it
Hmm, well, I am shocked: the divorced man who “went through a similar experience” gets uncontrollably angry when someone questions the character he relates to most in the story…
Destiny is speedrunning this crazies arc.
I think for them, abuse NEEDS to be physical. It seems that emotional abuse doesn’t render for them
It does but their idea of emotional abuse is a woman leaving trying to take space from a heated argument from her husband
But, according to Grace, her mom was abusive and under minded her husband, because she yelled… sometimes. 🫤
I just struggled through the actual debate tightly hugging my bourbon bottle. It's paused. Idk about this ark man. These are truly deranged peoples that need serious & honest government intervention. & I'm a small government dude, I don't like gov't intervention, but for crazy it's Necessary.
This might get TOO REAL for the internet. I think they have that possibility, which is something the weird old dude has said he wants. These people are not worth the clicks, too risky & it will just feed their abusive behavior FOR more clicks & views. Everybody should blacklist, report & boycott the thorp fams
Yeah one day the dad is going to murder his entire family and we’re all going to collectively feel like we contributed
Don't encourage mass reports unless for clear, unambiguous ToS violations.
Also stay safe, this arc is gonna be rough.
@@ChaseFace You killed me with that one lol.
@@idontgetthejoke4813 I think there is, tbh. He's made multiple attempts to solicit his daughter on screen. If I were his wife's lawyer, those clips would be BEAUTIFUL to witness.
I hope grace didn’t get “corrected” after this
This is like in PVP when the map objective is to target blue but the opponent is over-chasing for kills on yellow believing they are winning every fight.
Super weird the way grace smiles at her dad and bites her lip while hes talking. And then you almost see the light inside her go off as soon as he stops.
I love how they were arguing about how you should show anger towards a partner , while destiny and eurudite are both happy in relationships and the father is divorced with a sus relationship with his daughter. That tells all.
Declaring something an L before anyones said anything is the ultimate debate tactic
This video is hilarious to watch, but wish I could’ve seen chats reactions, always a few nuggets in there.
As a father to a little girl, these people break my heart
Everyone knows in order to be a winner of a debate you have to declare yourself the winner
Clinical psychologist here, Steven is right. Give space, if it's you thats fired up, learn to take a break.and do skills training.
S-tier silence after Ben says “they both should be locked up.”
Fucking beautiful
Near the end? Happen to have a timestamp? No worries if you don't
@@asimplewizard it’s in the very beginning, like in the first 3 minutes
When Erudite misspoke and said Hilary Clinton
Pretty sure Ben’s relationship coach is Chris Benoit.
I wish I could share meme on comments.
Lmaaaoooo
The most interesting part of the debate to me was when grace defined what she thought was a healthy “romantic” relationship, then when Ben disagreed with her definition she immediately tried to reframe her answer to agree with him.
yooo watching this after watching the "most disfuncional family" vod hits different...
it unironically just sounds like people justifying abusive dynamics in real time
Watching Grace not understanding emotional disregulation was very hard to watch. Not because of frustration, but just from sadness and pity..