2023 250cc Motocross Action Shootout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
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The Motocross Action wrecking crew has been riding, racing and testing the 2023 250 four-stroke models for months now and after gathering opinions from test riders of all shapes and sizes we've finally complied the results of our Shootout. With KTM and Husqvarna being all-new for 2023 and the Kawasaki KX250 receiving a hefty list of changes, our test riders had their work cut out for them, comparing the updated bikes with the unchanged Yamaha YZ250F, Honda CRF250, Suzuki RMZ250 and GasGas MC250F. Watch this video to get our opinion on the pros and cons of each 2023 dirt bike, and then check out our individual test videos on each bike to learn more about them.
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2024 YZ250F sounds like the move when it drops.
can't wait for it
1. GASGAS - 3:00
2. Yamaha - 4:50
3. Suzuki - 6:55
4. KTM - 8:25
5. Husky - 11:00
6. Kawasaki - 13:00
7. Honda - 15:00
thats not the results thats just the intro to each bike
Did he ever say they were they were the results
These shootouts should just have lap times to settle it out. Take bias and preference out of it, overall, which bike allows riders to get around the track the fastest. Have a pro, intermediate, and beginner category.
This
Back in the day some of the magazines used to do just that and it was glorious
Yes
KTM will win that comparison on stock bikes everyday of the week. it wouldn’t be close lol
The tiny differences between these bikes will never be realized by 99% of riders out there.
Facts
I think it’ll be realized. More like 99% of riders won’t be faster or slower because of them 😂
Very true👍🏻 All great machines! -Michigan
True but I want you to ride one of these and compare it 20 years later to a new one
Yes and no. Anyone with motocross bike experience can feel a difference between the KTM bikes and the Suzuki. It’s noticeable. Will they be better riders? Not necessarily. But you get off the RMZ and get on the GasGas and it feels like you put a freakin supercharger on your bike. Much stronger power
The Honda and Suzukis look the sickest
Nah the husky and the Yamaha look amazing
Nah that Kawi Green is the sickest! 🤘🏻
The kawi has super weird looking shrouds and the gas gas looks like the Nordic and rainbow bikes on mx vs atv combined
The Yamaha shrouds/gas tank look like a street bike and the husky looks like a bunch of plastic shovels
The ktms pretty sick, I just don’t like the color way. Last years was way sicker. It was like a Goku bike
they literally hated on Yamaha for petty as reasons. the bikes to loud, the KTMs gotta hear me passing them some how. i bought a 2023 YZ250 and love it and so do heaps of other people
YZ250F is flawless , so good in fact that many don't want to see an update in 2024. Wins the most shootouts every year except this one.
Same with the kawi, they are the 2 best 250s right now especially for supercross and these mxa guys just dick ride the Austrian 250s. Luckily, moisman didn't review the 450s and we got an honest review with kawi and yami uptop.
Got the honda, absolutely love it
250 ama motocross champion
2018 Aaron Plessinger (Yamaha)
2019 Adam Cianciarulo (Kawasaki)
2020 Dylan Ferrandis (Yamaha)
2021 Jett Lawrence (Honda)
2022 Jett Lawrence (Honda)
Where is KTM, Husqy or Gas gas??
🤣🤣
Jap bikes all the way! Team Green Always though 😂… they’re always complaining about stripping bolts on the Kawi, I never have nor have I seen anyone around the pits doing this, I guess it’s because they’re test riders, and have never worked a wrench on their own bike😂
Ahaha so true not even worth wasting ur time watching these videos anymore the Austrian bikes are gonna win every time and it’s personal presence all the bikes nowadays are better than 95% of the population that rides them😂
These winning bikes are not stock. They are factory and worth much more than stock bikes.
100% Agree 👍 MXA is my go to for any info I might need!
they spend months on end testing these bike compared to other media outlets that only do one day of riding
@@drakepeterson2134 They don’t need days they need people. did you see how many people Cycle News used for their shootout? All class riders and not just one from each class. See what is really happening with KTM pro riders and you would know the truth.
@@goldmx1229 I've ridden ktms for years and can tell you they're great bikes to race stock. Horrible for maintaince tho as the old bikes would have brake failures and the new ones have electrical issues
They hard meat ride ktm wouldn’t listen much to them
Weird how the Hondas and Yamahas are the only bikes to actually win on the track. These rankings are interesting as always
factory is completely different than stock
@@drakepeterson2134 so Hondas and Yahamas are the best bikes to build
it’s not the bike it’s the rider
These mxa guys always are sucking the austrian bikes off for the 250s... The 450s are the only fair shootout of these guys. Or go over to vital mx
Honda, Yamaha, and Kawi are really the only ones winning in the Lites divisions. It's been awhile since KTM was a player in lights.
I keep loosing the same exhaust spring on the KTM as your missing in this video.
I concur with the results. Can't beat MXA wrecking crew! 💯
Truth! Ohh an KTM is #1. 😀😜💯
I don't know if it's been said but maybe another reason why Austrian rank different is they ride them 6 months before they release a video. When other outlets are one test day on one track. Which makes bikes like the kawi and yz which or more compliant out of the box and easier to set up show up a little more. But I'm a tinker my bike isn't the same set up when I got it off the showroom floor. So what does a bike feel like when you spend time and tune it
Honda baby!!
Yamaha is more reliable than Honda .
What made you say that it's more reliable? Been riding honda since the 80's. Always reliable. I have 22 250r and 22 rx. What did you base that comment off of? Yamaha doesn't even cover the wheel bearings on their bikes. Completely exposed. My bike cranks up every time.. better on fuel. Lighter than yam. Plus the low end fairy tale that every one is sold by yamaha is false.
No 4 stroke has low end to speak of really. Mid to high power is where 4 strokes shine
@@2216sammy Both are equally reliable!
Go Kawasaki
You always know MXA is going to pick an Austrian bike. No big surprise
I won’t be winning any races on my RMZ but is it ever fun. It still starts with a dead battery but I’m jealous of my sons new KTM.
Great video, thanks
It's funny how the RM is always dogged by stiff suspension when MXA says the Honda suspension is crap unless set-up and tuned by a pro company. Cant have it both ways MXA.
oh see how Suzuki was 2nd at 1:18 😁
For some reason a lot of people are thinking that the stock Yamaha is gonna pull a KTM on a straight away at the start? it is not gonna happen! For some reason people watch the pros and go oh I’m gonna get the same motor as the star racing Yamaha 250s are you kidding me??
I agree with this. I’ve been a long time KTM owner of several CCs including 2 250f’s and 2 350f’s. I’ve been following the hype of yams and wanted one so I rode a 2022 yam 250f with a pull FMF pipe and hard hitting map on the ECU and was massively underwhelmed it felt very flat, had an ok bottom but was really slow vs a stock ktm 250f and I ride in the mid range usually. I recently rode a 2023 yam 250f at a test day in the aggressive map it was much better but again I wasn’t blown away like everyone is of the mighty killer engine? The chassis and suspension I liked but need more time on vs the motor I can get used to that quickly. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by KTM engines for years. The only thing I don’t like about a ktm engine is it seems to have a more engine brake heavier feel with a stock pipe
@@E63s_Scott how you would compare chassis carateristic to sxf expecially in tight and rutted corner?
😂😂😂 I’ve seen plenty of stock Yamahas pulling KTM’s on straights! I’m an A rider plus I met a guy at a track he was mad at his new ktm and after that day he was selling it and going back to a Yamaha! He was pro level and was very fast. He said he hated the power and it didn’t handle very well it the mud. He said the Yamaha did everything better and loved the power more to.. I’ve had ppl ride my 450 and 250 that had other bikes and loved them. Several sold their bikes and now rode Yamaha.. plus the fact every magazine have raved about Yamaha having the best reliability as well..
Yamaha's YZ250F is the undisputed king of 250's. Every other shootout puts it 1st .
@@2216sammy exactly been this way for years. But you have these orange lovers thinking those bikes they pay thousands more for are so fast! Lol.. plus don’t forget every magazine for years said the Yamaha also is the most reliable and last way longer than any bike.
13800 rpm is just crazy, and probably the limiter is over 14
The factory ktm 250 with their ignition rev to 15 k rpm
The factory ktm 250 with their ignition rev to 15 k rpm
I own all honda, red white and blue, all the way baby
That RM-Z may be “old”, but it still puts the rest to shame in the beauty category. It’s friggin gorgeous and looks the best built by far.
Those crappy overpriced unreliable Austrian bikes built in Thailand look like 1990’s KX’s with that steel frame.
Give me the Suzuki all day long. Not the fastest, but the fastest guy riding it could still beat the most powerful bike here.
Suzuki isn’t a bad bike but it’s just not up to par with all the other bikes. So people aren’t going to want to race on them it’s probably a amazing bike for the guy that just loves riding and doesn’t want to race
Josh, the name of the company you work for is “moto cross action” not motor cross action. You don’t even know the name of your employer?????
I've refrained from saying this for years, even have a paragraph or two saved to my notes a while ago and never pressed send because I would just be that guy and didn't feel like getting flamed...🤣🤣🤣 Is it being picky? It is Motocross Action Magazine which I have read since 1973. I root for Josh and Michael even more. Help me out here!!!!
Let the flaming commence!!!!😆😆😆
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Welcome to the land of MordorCross
Josh he asked a question??
did a great job
Yes he does a great job, and yes he should be able to pronounce the name of his employer.
i got a 2011 kx 250 f how much better are these new space ships compared to my old clunker
testride one...only way to really know
Which is most reliable??
This!
As a big guy does the 4 stroke 250s provide enough power? I am currently running a 2 stroke kx250 and I really like the power on that one.
I like that the YZ is louder.
It’s funny how they said nothing good about the YZ but still put it in 3rd. I have a 2019 YZ250F and think it’s the opposite of what they said, very healthy and nimble bike.
Every other magazine have similar results. You guys always seem to have the total opposite 🤔
I get that you put them on identical tires, but why change the grips and bars? If they weren't damaged or severely worn down, you should have kept them on. These parts are a choice made by the manufacturer affecting ergonomics (a scored criterium) and are unlikely to be changed by most riders, at least not right away.
rear brake spring snaps easily?
The Honda still looks the fastest.
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How come y’all never test the Hodaka ?
Sherco should get in the mix for next year. I’m curious on how they stack up
I realize KTM has got to have their factory bike look but why they don’t have a whole orange on the bike is beyond me it looks the best and always has like the best they keep painting frames these odd colors?
They change the color of frames every year. Next year the frame will be orange. What is the odd color? You get black or orange..
The new ktm 2 stroke 250 racing trail bike is knarly. It will smoke any of the .moto cross bikes. Hands down. I ride honda and I am loyal to them since being a kid and getting my first honda 3 wheeler but my friend rides Nothing but ktm. I've ridden his bike. Perfect all the way around. 2 stroke low end and the pull of gear box is second to none.
Which one would you say is the most durable
Has anyone ever thought about like.... colliding a 2stroke w a 4stroke? maybe something like a 3stroke?
What’s the best 250 for fast endrow riding, or 125🤷♂️ I need some advice
Ktm or husqvarna
Honda🔥
yamaha for the win👍
Wich handelbar is that?
I'm still pissed about the Deegan/Star Yamaha thing. I know its petty but thankfully the green bike is just as good!
The green bike isn't as good , no way . Listen to all the other shootout reviews for an honest opinion.
Green ,yellow ,red ,blue ,orange they’re all good it’s the rider not bike .
@@herbcanter2114 shootouts don’t mean shit
no lap times?
How can the KTM be 45 HP and the husqvarna only 41 HP thought they were made on the same production line
Just wish I could get parts for my 23ktm !
I'd go the 2022 RMZ 250 love the bike but over here in Australia it's worth $13.000😢
I Don't Care what Place the Yamaha YZ 125 or 250 come in!! I'm not Happy with the results!! Yamaha YZ125 or 250F!! Without a Shadow of a Doubt!! Hands Down!! 🏆 No#1. It's just has Plain and Simple has that!! Period!!
No chapters 😢
How about cost of ownership being a category? Most riders do so on a budget.
I felt so cool with the r&b music in the vid. I want to go get a flat bill hat and tuck my ears inside it.
How about just hearing the bikes only ?
If I’m looking into getting the Honda or kawi witch would be better for a c class rider?
I mean a lot of people say the Hondas feel underpowered compared to the kawi and yz
@@youngman7655 I am on kawi right now and I kinda want to try and Honda and I love Honda but I’m not 100% sure uet
@@ZT523 Yeah the 2022-23 actually seem to be a good as he said in the video they fixed the power. I have a 21 yz250f and I tried the 22 you should demo some bikes that what I did.
@@youngman7655 I will for sure thank you!
Rider make all the difference, honda should be right with yz. Ive rode both, there so close its not even noticable
ktm action forwarded video
If ktm would just get away from them shitty air forks they’d be 1,2 an 3
You obviously have never rode one of the older spring equipped ktm's then haha. I'll take their airfork over them anyday!!!!
@@tcmx712 that’s why everyone dose spring covers on then I’ve rode some newer wp spring forks they feel good an before I had my 350 I had a 2014 ktm 250 that had factory spring an after it was setup for my wight it was a dream but that’s all I the experience I really have with wp spring forks they definitely ain’t no kyb lol
@@carolinasrt4163 my last stock spring fork ktm was a '14 250 aswell, not great but not bad either. After everyone complaining about air forks I decided to try the spring conversion and honestly for what I ride (extremely deep sand) the stock air forks are better because of that initial "stiffness" or hold-up whatever you want to call it. I'm actually now running cone valve air forks and they are absolutely perfect for what I do
@@tcmx712 yea man if u can get the air fork dialed in with a good re valve an a psi setting that feels good to you the are pretty good I bet them cone valves are like butter would you say they worth the price over a kyb conversion
@@carolinasrt4163 depending what you do, compared to the revalved yz's that my mates ride I'd say they are equal in comfort and "plushness" through breaking bumps and acceleration chop, where they excel is in deep rollers or hard hits (over jumps, flat landings, etc). I do heaps of freeriding in the dunes aswell and the way these forks feel in the bottom 1/3rd of the stroke is light years better than the kyb but if you're not doing stuff like that the kyb conversion is probably good enough in my opinion
Based off what you said Yamaha should be 2nd. At least it’s actually getting air flow to the air box unlike husky
@@EarthSurferUSA I know how to drill holes thanks, ask your mum about it😘
Less than a year till I pay this truck off and get myself a Ktm 250. Can’t tell if watching this video is making my itch for one better or worse😂
Nice, honest reviews 🤘🏼
I love Kawa
ciao
YZ 250 2 stroke
suzuki bestttt
KTM on top 💪🏻
Suzuki on top
nxt shootout 2023 450class
Dont know how these bikes cant shed weight when honda has a 219lbs bike & most others 227,228 & ktm went from 218 last year to 224 this year not a big diff to some but it is 2023
RMARMY
YAMAHA!!!
These tests are just too subjective. Other Publications have the Yamaha winning the last 3 years in a row. It's pretty easy to determine who's the loser but determining the winner is just way too objective.
Why not include the 2t 250s? Unless you happen to be an AMA pro there's a pretty good chance they race in the same class.
#fortnite ! ;) ... awesome shootout vid....
And that would put Honda and Yamaha on top
dont the top 2 have the same motor ?? and the gas gas .. all ktm motors
Pipes vary. Ecu mapping etc.
Let's not forget the Yamaha's weak brakes compared to the KTM. I rode the 23 YZ 250 and yeah that thing is loud. I got back on my KTM and told my friend he needed to upgrade his brakes to Brembo.
Yeah so all you can hear is squeaking all the time😂
@@leadhead7338 now I know why lead head is your name.
@@mxracer158 Because I love guns
bikes. Is expensive and all the ecu's
Have to be cleared if you want it to run like it should. This is because it has to have all kinds of epa regulations before entering America.
It will always be Kawasaki first an Yamaha 2nd for me. I have a 2019 yz250f an 2021 kx250f an there both super comfortable. I would not buy anything else. TEAM GREEN always #1 to me
With owning both which do you prefer to ride or is your go to bike?
@@ptshyu2 Kawi is my go to
@@SHOWTIME070 been trying to decide between the two but the price point of the kx is pushing me towards it
Only thing that pisses me off, is that KTM uses star head bolts.
Bought and paid for by KTM
Love the ktm
Jeez please stop calling it motercross
I like Josh but he cant pronounce the name of his employer????
Do a 350 shootout!! Pressure the Japanese into making a 350 for the love of god.
350's are cool but it's really not a bike that needs to exist.
@@LolliWANG505 350 ktm is like the most sold MX bike, i think most people will disagree with that. I haven’t met a single person who doesn’t like them. Especially in Europe / uk they are everywhere!
@@E63s_Scott Lol yeah no it’s not the best selling bike, do some research. I don’t even want to hear you say I’m wrong unless you actually back it up with some numbers because we both know you’re just spitballing a point to try and prove an argument lol
how ? 39,2 HP ? CANT BE TRUE MAN
They always gotta shit on Yamaha and Honda but we all know Yamaha and Honda will drag all the Austrians bikes to the ground
Yes but why your winnee bike can't win a race ? Only honda and yamaha mostly dominates races nowadays
MXA same 💩 after 30 years
I'll take a New Suzuki for $5000
Husqvarna, gas gas, KTM bikes are good but way over hyped and over priced.
Make sure to check the spokes
shocker. A ktm wins an MXA shootout lol
How much is the KTM group paying you for these "honest shootouts?" Putting the Honda in 6th is an absolute joke. I'm on a 22 CRF250R now and it feels incredible, absolutely destroys the Kawasaki and handles way better than the Yamaha. You guys are a paid joke hahahahaha
Sorry you are so upset with the results. We don't get paid by manufacturers. We race and ride these bikes for months to come up with a winner.
@@motocrossaction just to clear it out l got a ktm, but, if you could revalve all those bike, the honda would be still 6th place for you?
Dude this is what I’m saying! I’m on a 22 Honda also and agree entirely. It blows the Yamaha and kawi away
@@motocrossaction what are you talking about with the crf rad cap?! I've been offroad in gnarly/slow in hot weather on my 22 zero issues overheating
@@motocrossaction bull shit
Lmao worried about Honda durability
the gas gas is trash trash
My thoughts 💬 .. whoa that Kawasaki header is ugly ,so are the ktm shrouds . Yamahas e start is barely better than kickin a Suzuki . I guess I'd go with the husky personally vet rider with shorty legs sounds good to me .
KTM on top
ktm worst durability
😂
They are actually better than the rest in terms of durability, I've owned both, the yamaha gave me plenty of problems.
@@ethanhaskins6634 totally agrée
I have got honda kawasaki yamaha ktm husqvarna
Ktm and husqvarna was the only bikes trouble free for me and big durability
They have had problems with poor quality pieces for years and their fans pretend it’s not real. Bolts and spring break a lot on KTMs spokes pull out of the rims a lot suspension failures like crazy that they always claim are user error. Several of these issues were mentioned and breezed over even in this video.
@@jonruger i dont think poor quality pieces
Suspension failure a lot on yamaha stuff the internal cartridge always blows up
The wp aer even the seals hold very well
For the spokes if you check them no problem
I have 142 hours on my 450 sxf not a single issue not even a loose bolt
I ride only soft track / sandy track
The Honda coming in 6th is a joke. These shootouts are so worthless. I really hope people don’t buy bikes based on any “shootout”
Somebody just bought a Honda eh?
😅😂🤣
Your right these countless hours of testing and stats are so worthless and mean nothing.
The honda just isn’t better then that. Whats your problem?
Just need to remember, these guys only test at one track that may or may not be different from where you ride and buy whatever you are comfortable on.
I feel bad for all these Toyota Corolla drivers in the comments salty because they can’t afford the Acura. ( KTM Husky ) 😂😂
None of this matters to all riders unless you race professionally then maybe it comes into play somehow. All the bikes rip these test riders couldn’t even qualify for a vet pro race
These guys are so Austrian biased it's sad. I know the host rides a ktm as his personal bike so there is your answer
And still no parity in the industry! It’s been well over 20 years. More than enough time. Include 250 2-strokes in the 250cc shoot out. Until then, it’s all just a joke!
It’s all a hoax because the truth is a 250 two stroke has 5-8hp more than these slugs.
You're exactly right four strokes are a joke. That's the reason why I'm no longer interested in Motocross because they've done away with the real bikes. Two Strokes forever.
interesting how well everybodys words on the 23 rmz can be after they get back a lil bit spot light. 21 and 22 where the same bike and evryone was talking shit. there you can see how much input media etc can have. the rmz was never bad it was only the Call
Anyone whose watched mxa tests, knows that ktm is gonna win…I sacrificed 28 mins to figure out what I really already knew lol
just on paper ktm's always seem to have better numbers like weight, pawah, and tq
@@sVERLo43
They're lighter because they use Airforks.
Airforks are light, but feel absolutely horrible
@@smark2016 i think air sprung suspension is the future, look at mountain bikes
can you objectively describe what exactly is horrible about air forks?
@@sVERLo43
The only "airforks" that are actually good are the KYB PSF1, Deegan rides with them for example.
The Stock airforks you get with the austrian bikes are just made for the average rider for quick adjustability which don't race the bike to the limit.
@@sVERLo43 they just dont feel good, had it revalved, tried a bunch of diff settings but still cant find a sweet spot for turning and going thru breakimg bumps/ruts
Mosiman has always hated on Yamaha and always pushes Ktm mostly. Yamaha is all around bike that does everything. Why have a bike that only does 1 or 2 things great..plus the fact most all magazines say the Yamaha is the most reliable bike in the year that they have them.
Yamahas blow up every 5 hours
@@m5132 😂 haven’t seen one yet. I’ve had 7 of them and never had a problem. My sons 250f had almost 200 hrs on it. Valves were still good and never adjusted once. Before we rebuilt it. My friend had over 200 hrs. Another friend of mine has 2 250f 3 of his boys have them as well with over a 100 hrs before refreshing the motor. None of theirs blew up. Also like I said every magazine said the Yamaha has less major problems than the other bike and they use those things every day. They have said that numerous times in videos over the years as well. Plus every track I have been to I have seen more problems ppl having is with a Ktm over any bike including a Suzuki that ppl give crap too. This year ppl are having issues with KTM pistons breaking, cylinder cracking and breaking with not even close to 40 hrs. It’s on the forums. Plus about a month ago I witnessed a brand new KTM’s … ya not one but 3 blow up at the track.. and at another track the guy went to out it in gear and it made grinding sounds and a glunk..also I personally know a few other guys this year had major issues with theirs as well. 4 of them went and got another bike cause that’s all they ever had was issues.