My dad has read every issue of this magazine since 1990 and was so stoked when I told him about their TH-cam channel. I can’t believe he didn’t know about it 😂
Please keep up these shootouts!!! They have always been my favorite thing to check out, back when they were just in the magazine. I've always favored Motocross Action tests over all others. Keep up the great work MXA!!🎉
Josh, you went full youtuber in this video. Made it much more enjoyable in my opinion as these videos can get dry just listing specs and discussing performance characteristics.
What’s wild is the RMZ450 still keeps up in torque and is only marginally off in horsepower. Realistically it isn’t THAT much heavier. That’s nuts. Seeing that some of the newer bikes have less torque is absolutely wild.
after hearing the numbers its a joke to say suzuki is the heaviest and slowest, wtf. 56,9 hp to 57.2 kawasaki. and 241 lbs rmz and 239 kawasaki. guys thats nothing. if it had 48 hp you could say its slow but that sentence brings the wrong message at that lille differences
Technically the Suzuki is still slow, it hit 54.87 on the dyno last year without the “RM Army” edition Pro Circuit exhaust system. Also, Kawasaki was 234 last year and it jumped up to 239, it is also very heavy!
It’s just not a good buy IMO either yeah it’s a little cheaper but not by enough. For $2k more you get better engine, breaks, suspension and a starter , it would cost way more in time and money to do that to a RM.
I had a brand new 1994 Yz250 and it appears they made this anniversary edition look like it did. So freaking sweet. White with purple. That 94 250 was the best YZ I ever owned for racing hare scrambles the bottom end power was awesome.
Suzukis engine package is 🔥. And super reliable, they just need to dial the suspension, and loose some weight and it would be so good. No estart just loose the weight dial the suspension
Great Shootout Josh! As I watch all the bikes as a vet rider like a huge demographic I wonder how many people watching these Shootouts can actually use even have of these bikes potential in stock form? I own a KTM but know i wouldn't be faster on any of these models Because of my conditioning and talent level so I would buy a Suzuki. No need to spend $2k more. Plus when I pull it out to ride 1 year later I won't have a dead battery. 😊
@mototoad1242 I agree, I've raced suzukis since I was a kid and still own have a 2014 rmz450. I love my ktm but have had little problems. But not my Zuks!!!👍
Yes, it is way cheaper to buy, true. But must buyers fix shock and fork at least. With other words: if you have your Suzuki dialed in you can buy the other ones easily. Suzuki last few years it is mostly for the yellow lovers. Good point with the battery!
It's all down to personal preference there all good and fast and have there pros and cons just pick the colour you like or make and enjoye there all great bikes
Suzuki...best for all motocross hobbyriders. Easy to service and keep on cause same parts fits many ears. No battery and electric starter problems. Enduro use then different thing...
Poor Suzuki😂 I still love them but they gotta try harder, thankfully Kenny is waxing everyone but the Lawrence bros on a damn near stock RMZ, hopefully we get an update
Hi guys. Loved the shootout. I have a 2023 KTM 450 and I would like to know what suspension settings etc you used, and if they can be used on my 450 KTM 2023? I am an older novice rider. Cheers
I have the new KX450X model and I absolutely love it. The lack of power is painfully overstated. It's fast, very fast, it pulls like a freight train when you get it going. And I'm coming from my 22 450SR. The power hits different its much smoother and linear, also the bike is amazingly stable on the brakes and I find myself standing through so many more turns than I would on my SR.
@reedgalbraith6508 it has an o ring chain, and 18 inch rear as well as some ecu tuning it seems. They definitely could have done better but its still the best bike Ive ever ridden
@@reedgalbraith6508 Yeah I just saw the first reviews of the X and realized they did essentially nothing more than the F on an 18" rear with softer valving...and they want $10700 for it. No way, much better options
Is this an advertisement of all the aftermarket parts that I should put on the Yamaha. Where would I find an ad for all these parts? Wait, I found them on the pages of motocross action magazine.
They should mention that when you buy a Husqvarna it comes with 2 air box covers, 1 closed and 1 with the holes for more air flow which makes the bike much better.
14:55 Love it! The starting fields in Germany are often around 50% orange like they used to be yellow 40 years ago and we often say pumpkin cup. Would really like to test the orange and blue at one day same track to compare. My both favorites are 1 + 2 place, nice. It really drives me nuts to check the austrian spokes and can't believe after years, KTM can't fix that. How many years you guys are telling us to check them frequently? Com'on Mr. Pierer, we have the technology! Air forks: 3 pounds is really a number. As a (slow ;-) ) non pro self wrenching pay own bills vet rider (npswpobvr) chasing every minute between earning money, training, racing, wrenching, sleeping, driving highways and some call it family I really dislike it to have an extra thing to do so often. Which one is the most reliable 450 4-stroke?
these bikes should come with a60 wheel sets for as much as they cost they should have mud fling rims included. I do love the Yamaha model it is excellent and it reminds me of the very first bike my father bought me as a kid. the color theme is awesome. old school dude. I would buy the Suzuki I prefer a kick start bike. and a free muffler header and all minus 2lbs . your gonna mess with suspension no matter what bike you get every time you ride. I'd buy the Suzuki and it's cheaper.
The KX air filter is a worrying issue. Yes looks cool. But I feel it's a nit as good as they say. I'm a KX fan and look forward to the 2025 KX250. But if the don't fix that airfilter then I'll stay with my 2021 kx250
I just bought a crf450 due to no where having Yamaha. I was wondering if someone has one that has made adjustments maybe suspension wise to make it feel like my 2020 Yamaha did or any advice.
You don’t have to “detune” the motor of the YZ, just change your clutch setup so you’ll have max power up top, but more slip on the hit. More work but I mean it’s the best way to get rid of too much hit.
FOR YZ450 NOT TO WHEELIE, SET AT LOWER RPMS IGNITION TO -10 AND FUEL TO -3. OR FUEL AT ZERO, IF YOU WANT A BIT PUNCHIER LOW RPMS. CLOSE TO UPPER RPMS SET ALL EQUALLY CLOSER TO NORMAL, EXCEPT IGNITION CAN BE STILL A BIT RETARDED. FUEL AT ZERO- LESS TRHROTTLE RESPONSE, MORE TORQUE. FUEL AT -3 SNAPPIER THROTTLE RESPONSE, LESS TORQUE.
It seems unusual that the Yamaha finished first considering how many complaints you had about it and all of the changes necessary to make it “rideable”.
Still no TM? C'mon, MXA. Your pockets must be deep enough by now where you should've purchased one and included it in this shootout. Otherwise, consumers like myself won't know where ANY of these bikes truly rank.
@aydenrich262 There's a dealership here in Massachusetts just a few minutes from me that had TMs for years, but I just checked his website (Monty's Motorsports, Westfield) and now I can't find anything TM-related. It seems they've pulled back on their US importing. Either way, though, MXA is a huge name in MX and should've at least made an effort to get a couple (250/450). I dunno, I thought it would've made these shootouts much more interesting. 🤷🏻♂️
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when the Beta and Triumph get added gonna be hard to fit them all in the thumbnail
Don’t forget Ducati
And TM
@@Dashriprock4 can’t believe I forgot TM
I have a 2023 TM. Lol
But those aren’t new. They are just too hard to get ahold of
@@benmartin6476 They are super cool bikes (TM) Wish they had more imported and more coverage. some really cool "works" type parts on them.Very unique!
@@benmartin6476and not sold everywhere
Love the new editing style of this shootout! Made it a lot more fun and interesting to watch
Exactly I was 100% engaged with the video
they made the rmz like a comedy relief. and what do you think was in that ratio rite, haha
Josh deserves a raise Jody. $$$ production is top of the heap! YZ is the bike again.
You think the presenter actually makes the video?
@@stupidhead9117 💯 👍🏻👍🏻
Y’all are taking the production value to a whole different level great job
My dad has read every issue of this magazine since 1990 and was so stoked when I told him about their TH-cam channel. I can’t believe he didn’t know about it 😂
How so?
MXA always #1 💯 -NY
@@JohnDoe-gn3rg 💯 💯 👍🏻
Awesome 450 shootout!!!
You guys are having too much fun!!!
Once again Excellent job Josh and MXA TEAM👍👍👍
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I would love to see an extended interview with Jody. Great job as usual.
The Pros are that the dealerships have tons of them on the showroom floors. The Cons are that know one can afford them anymore.
Besides Yamaha is still the best 🎉 I'll keep my 2007
Damn straight
Mxa has always had the best shootout videos out of any magazine and you guys are even better this year
Please keep up these shootouts!!! They have always been my favorite thing to check out, back when they were just in the magazine. I've always favored Motocross Action tests over all others. Keep up the great work MXA!!🎉
YZ450F looks spectacular
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I think they look hideous. Like a Frankenstein bike, but whatever works
@@Runk3lsmcdougal the good thing is there are plenty of choices and colors. Pick your poison!
@@ManuelTorres-qy8op SKDA got some badass graphics kits
Looks bad when it isn’t blue.
Привет из 90 х годов .
Josh, you went full youtuber in this video. Made it much more enjoyable in my opinion as these videos can get dry just listing specs and discussing performance characteristics.
Well-produced MXA gang. The integrated marketing bits felt organic and made the viewing experience a joy! 👏👏👏
My 97 Harley Davidson fatboy only has 50-55 HP. These bikes are monsters.
I know it crazy, they are getting up close to the 500cc 2 stroke power. Thankfully not near as brutal.
@@jacobhendrickson8935 450s have nearly 60hp..500cc 2-strokes are low 50s (stock). Facts. 💯 #KTM
What’s wild is the RMZ450 still keeps up in torque and is only marginally off in horsepower. Realistically it isn’t THAT much heavier. That’s nuts. Seeing that some of the newer bikes have less torque is absolutely wild.
56,5 hp rmz. honda 56,6 and kawi 57,2. joke to say its the slowest. that sounds like it has 45 hp
It is still my pick
It weighs the same as the Kawasaki once you install the free PC exhaust.
@@jackbruce309👍🇦🇺
Add electric start and it would be 270lbs.
I so love it, everything they do to the YZ450 is to mellow it down. Been a Yamaha guy for so many years and love seeing there bikes at the top.
Good to see Jody!!!
I loved reading his column all through High School in the 80’s!!!
Well shot shootout! Thanks for all the info. Stash is looking good Josh!
Pretty sure the "stach" is a joke... Well I hope so Lol
after hearing the numbers its a joke to say suzuki is the heaviest and slowest, wtf. 56,9 hp to 57.2 kawasaki. and 241 lbs rmz and 239 kawasaki. guys thats nothing. if it had 48 hp you could say its slow but that sentence brings the wrong message at that lille differences
Technically the Suzuki is still slow, it hit 54.87 on the dyno last year without the “RM Army” edition Pro Circuit exhaust system. Also, Kawasaki was 234 last year and it jumped up to 239, it is also very heavy!
It’s just not a good buy IMO either yeah it’s a little cheaper but not by enough. For $2k more you get better engine, breaks, suspension and a starter , it would cost way more in time and money to do that to a RM.
💯 💯 #SuzukiRMZ
I had a brand new 1994 Yz250 and it appears they made this anniversary edition look like it did. So freaking sweet. White with purple. That 94 250 was the best YZ I ever owned for racing hare scrambles the bottom end power was awesome.
Josh- another great 450 shootout, loved seeing Jody's guest appearance.
Anytime I see Jody it's a Fantastic Day 👋💪✌️ Appreciate ya MXA O'l G 😉
Suzukis engine package is 🔥. And super reliable, they just need to dial the suspension, and loose some weight and it would be so good. No estart just loose the weight dial the suspension
With triumph and Ducati and the other bikes added over the last few years this is the most anticipated shootout in a long long time
Great Shootout Josh! As I watch all the bikes as a vet rider like a huge demographic I wonder how many people watching these Shootouts can actually use even have of these bikes potential in stock form?
I own a KTM but know i wouldn't be faster on any of these models Because of my conditioning and talent level so I would buy a Suzuki. No need to spend $2k more. Plus when I pull it out to ride 1 year later I won't have a dead battery. 😊
Yes sir!! My ole Suzuki has never left me stranded in the woods, can't say the same for my best friend who rides orange
@mototoad1242 I agree, I've raced suzukis since I was a kid and still own have a 2014 rmz450. I love my ktm but have had little problems. But not my Zuks!!!👍
Yes, it is way cheaper to buy, true. But must buyers fix shock and fork at least.
With other words: if you have your Suzuki dialed in you can buy the other ones easily.
Suzuki last few years it is mostly for the yellow lovers.
Good point with the battery!
No thanks, spend an extra grand for the YZ.
Great Video! Is that Jody?? RM-Z should get 1992 retro graphics while they're at it!
Love it - Trevor is killing it! I'd take the Kawi!!
It's all down to personal preference there all good and fast and have there pros and cons just pick the colour you like or make and enjoye there all great bikes
RM forever.
They’ll always have a special place in my heart, kickin myself for selling mine but I will definitely get another in the future
@@aydenrich262👍🇦🇺
Zook will always still sound the best
Especially with that pro circuit!
Looks the best too
@@corin6677 yeah its like a dart love the damn thing
add next year and TM racing
Great video I appreciate it the comedy and lightheartedness along with the business side
I was going to say 3 bike a missing but the he made that phone call lol
A little bit late! RIDE ON
61hp on the husky??? Thats a ton of power for the average weekend warrior😂
It’s still very rideable and easy to handle because of the closed off air box
Average weekend warrior shouldn’t be on a 450
@@christophervillarreal8565 why not? It’s fun to have the extra power even if you don’t necessarily need it
@@codystrom8708 tell that to the guys who die every year accidentally grabbing a hand full of throttle
I admit at first I didn't like the new Yamaha's seat, But after a few hrs I came to love it,
Ikr when you feel the power of that new yz450 you forget all about the seat
I wish they had the retro Kawasaki in this one
I would buy that
Suzuki...best for all motocross hobbyriders. Easy to service and keep on cause same parts fits many ears. No battery and electric starter problems. Enduro use then different thing...
This shootout is dope
Poor Suzuki😂 I still love them but they gotta try harder, thankfully Kenny is waxing everyone but the Lawrence bros on a damn near stock RMZ, hopefully we get an update
Damn near stock bike??? You can't be serious! Yeah a 100k bike is damn near stock lol.
Prominet Pirelli branding. Excellent tires. 👍👍
Best in the industry. Thanks MXA
Hi guys. Loved the shootout. I have a 2023 KTM 450 and I would like to know what suspension settings etc you used, and if they can be used on my 450 KTM 2023? I am an older novice rider.
Cheers
So the kawi made 57hp with rubber plug mounted? Or?
Best video editing from MXA so far.
They are almost 60HP its insane.
FIRE job, TN and crew
i've purchased all my side-by-side's at Temecula motorsports, best prices around
There’s so many 450’s now. I remember when there was only 4 and some orange thing John Dowd rode that was a 520.
I feel like the 24 KX450X with the smoother TQ curve might be a great XC/woods bike, although the weight doesn't really support that.
I have the new KX450X model and I absolutely love it. The lack of power is painfully overstated. It's fast, very fast, it pulls like a freight train when you get it going. And I'm coming from my 22 450SR. The power hits different its much smoother and linear, also the bike is amazingly stable on the brakes and I find myself standing through so many more turns than I would on my SR.
1.7 fuel tank? No skid plate? No o-ring chain? X model doesn't offer much more than the F.
@reedgalbraith6508 it has an o ring chain, and 18 inch rear as well as some ecu tuning it seems. They definitely could have done better but its still the best bike Ive ever ridden
@@reedgalbraith6508 Yeah I just saw the first reviews of the X and realized they did essentially nothing more than the F on an 18" rear with softer valving...and they want $10700 for it. No way, much better options
@@OtisFlint I wanted a Kawi.. but Yamaha FX for me..
Definitely going with a YZ450 for when I build a new snowbike next year. Gotta see how much itll make with a velocity stack intake and tune
Love the production value!!
Best video ever
I hope that you guys do the factory bikes next 🤘🏻
Yeah face to face laptimes here, would be very great.
RMZ❤😍
Great edit!
Hoping that you can get a Triumph in your 250 shootout😊
Is this an advertisement of all the aftermarket parts that I should put on the Yamaha. Where would I find an ad for all these parts? Wait, I found them on the pages of motocross action magazine.
Looks like the Yamaha's new graphics are boldest!
They should mention that when you buy a Husqvarna it comes with 2 air box covers, 1 closed and 1 with the holes for more air flow which makes the bike much better.
Now, we need to throw in the Beta, Triumph and Ducati
14:55 Love it! The starting fields in Germany are often around 50% orange like they used to be yellow 40 years ago and we often say pumpkin cup.
Would really like to test the orange and blue at one day same track to compare. My both favorites are 1 + 2 place, nice.
It really drives me nuts to check the austrian spokes and can't believe after years, KTM can't fix that. How many years you guys are telling us to check them frequently? Com'on Mr. Pierer, we have the technology!
Air forks: 3 pounds is really a number. As a (slow ;-) ) non pro self wrenching pay own bills vet rider (npswpobvr) chasing every minute between earning money, training, racing, wrenching, sleeping, driving highways and some call it family I really dislike it to have an extra thing to do so often.
Which one is the most reliable 450 4-stroke?
KAWASAKI ❤
YZ ❤MX 2024
Such a bummer to see the GasGas going backwards...
The 23 and 24 yz hasn’t changed has it ? Same same ?
I got a 2016 rmz 450 i think its fine tbh left the stock pipe on it cause the power isnt radical ya know it runs with anything..
And i will STILL buy a badass new RM-Z 450 as it still handles the best.
Which one of these bike corners and turns the best besides the RMZ 450?
these bikes should come with a60 wheel sets for as much as they cost they should have mud fling rims included. I do love the Yamaha model it is excellent and it reminds me of the very first bike my father bought me as a kid. the color theme is awesome. old school dude. I would buy the Suzuki I prefer a kick start bike. and a free muffler header and all minus 2lbs . your gonna mess with suspension no matter what bike you get every time you ride. I'd buy the Suzuki and it's cheaper.
Thanks guys.
Love my 50th yz450 so happy with it
They’re all lovely :)
That white and pink look of the YZ in crispy
The KX air filter is a worrying issue. Yes looks cool. But I feel it's a nit as good as they say. I'm a KX fan and look forward to the 2025 KX250. But if the don't fix that airfilter then I'll stay with my 2021 kx250
Dang we gotta wait til March to see the graphs in the article??
Hanging for the triumph it’s a nice looking bike be good to see how it stacks up
id go with the Yamaha or the suzi
Crazy thing about Suzuki in Canada is their MSRP is about the same as the other bikes...
So appreciative.
I am not so sure, maybe I am just getting old.
Long live the Bazzer!
I just bought a crf450 due to no where having Yamaha. I was wondering if someone has one that has made adjustments maybe suspension wise to make it feel like my 2020 Yamaha did or any advice.
Did the KX go backwards???
You don’t have to “detune” the motor of the YZ, just change your clutch setup so you’ll have max power up top, but more slip on the hit. More work but I mean it’s the best way to get rid of too much hit.
Good job sir
Faltou a Beta 450 e a thump 250?
And the winner is Honda again
FOR YZ450 NOT TO WHEELIE, SET AT LOWER RPMS IGNITION TO -10 AND FUEL TO -3. OR FUEL AT ZERO, IF YOU WANT A BIT PUNCHIER LOW RPMS. CLOSE TO UPPER RPMS SET ALL EQUALLY CLOSER TO NORMAL, EXCEPT IGNITION CAN BE STILL A BIT RETARDED. FUEL AT ZERO- LESS TRHROTTLE RESPONSE, MORE TORQUE. FUEL AT -3 SNAPPIER THROTTLE RESPONSE, LESS TORQUE.
Wtf this stripe on text is 😂
Why are you testing stock bikes in their stock form but putting different tires on it
I’m 15 and I wanna get the kx450sr it looks nice and seems like it rides nice
Sr is useless.
What about the KOVE 450 MX ?
Why did you not do beta? Especially now that they are finally supercross.
Which one is your favorite ? If you would buy one of them now . Thanks
It seems unusual that the Yamaha finished first considering how many complaints you had about it and all of the changes necessary to make it “rideable”.
Kawasaki kx 450 !!!
I know everyone uses the term “de-tune” but is that technically what you’re doing if you are just changing the power curve with a re-map?
Still no TM? C'mon, MXA. Your pockets must be deep enough by now where you should've purchased one and included it in this shootout. Otherwise, consumers like myself won't know where ANY of these bikes truly rank.
They’re hard to get ahold of, for example, no dealerships near me have them
@aydenrich262 There's a dealership here in Massachusetts just a few minutes from me that had TMs for years, but I just checked his website (Monty's Motorsports, Westfield) and now I can't find anything TM-related. It seems they've pulled back on their US importing. Either way, though, MXA is a huge name in MX and should've at least made an effort to get a couple (250/450). I dunno, I thought it would've made these shootouts much more interesting. 🤷🏻♂️
@@aydenrich262could have borrowed one from friends or industry! RIDE ON
14:48 I can see the force! 👍
8:43 there is a new one in the shop right now for only 6 k where I live
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For a moment I thought this was a Dirt Bike Action shoot out and it was Super Hunky doing some of the testing but it was Josh not Rick!
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