Tax Audit Applicability on F&O | CA Rachana Ranade

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  • In this video, I am going to talk about the Tax audit applicability for F&O. I am going to elaborate the turnover calculations for futures & options in very simplified manner with the help of different examples.
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    What is covered?
    0:00 Introduction
    1:12 Applicability of Tax audit
    2:16 Example for tax audit applicability - Futures
    8:32 Example for tax audit applicability - Options
    18:19 Tax rate & ITR applicability for F&O
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  • @CARachanaRanade
    @CARachanaRanade  ปีที่แล้ว +22

    ICAI has recently issued new guidance note, & as per that the premium received on sale of option is not to be added again in turnover if it is already included in Net Profit calculation. Thus, in our example, the turnover will be Absolute value of Net gain or loss, which is column H. Hence turnover for option seller will be Rs. 3,000 (09:11 to 13:10) & turnover for option buyer will be Rs. 3,000 (13:11 to 18:05).

    • @rahulnanavati4864
      @rahulnanavati4864 ปีที่แล้ว

      Much needed, Great move by ICAI 👍
      Thanks for clarification 🙏

    • @ankurbakshi
      @ankurbakshi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks a lot for giving this update on the video. I was about to comment and request to please give an update on the new guidance. I have another question. What is the effective date for this clarification. can we revise our prior year it return with the new turnover values ?

    • @karan5545
      @karan5545 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ankurbakshi Its effective from year A.Y 2022-2023, i.e F.Y 2021-2022

    • @ajairandhawa1848
      @ajairandhawa1848 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True CA Ranade tour information in T/o is outdated..it is as advice no addition of sake value

    • @nikhilrups
      @nikhilrups ปีที่แล้ว

      I was just about to write this piece of info. Great work btw.

  • @maganigovardhan2496
    @maganigovardhan2496 2 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    2 Min silence for who all are not being profit in FNO but watching this video 🤣🤣

    • @malleshdumpetiofficial
      @malleshdumpetiofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha. Ha true

    • @Itwal_P
      @Itwal_P 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too 😅😂

    • @Krishn435
      @Krishn435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mem ka koie v video chorne ka nhi .. she iz the goddess of knowledge

    • @karthiksk3437
      @karthiksk3437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😅

    • @vikasarora1482
      @vikasarora1482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bhai F n O me ydi loss ho to itr bharne ki jarurat nhi hai

  • @sundaramurthy1784
    @sundaramurthy1784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    DEAR MAM, THIS IS A USER FRIENDLY,USER RELEVANT AND USER URGENT VIDEO AT THE RIGHT TIME,GIVING CLARITY ON TAXATION FOR F&O TRADERS. EXCELLENT

  • @dexter_001
    @dexter_001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    *Yes mam I want to know about presumptive tax structure*

  • @prateekpagaria240
    @prateekpagaria240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Superb explanation mam ! I never miss your videos. I was looking for turn over calculation here and there,and I were not able to figure out. But this video had cleared all the doubts, and more importantly it came on right time. Thank you so much. And would love to learn about presumptive taxation.

  • @rahulnanavati4864
    @rahulnanavati4864 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ma'am, there has been guidance note issued by ICAI on this section recently say a last week. As per which Turn Over defination has been changed, so request to revise/make a new video for better/correct understanding 🙏

  • @aniketbobade175
    @aniketbobade175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please do Presumptive taxation and loss on Trading F&O videos as early as possible 🙏

  • @Lalitsingh-pm8yp
    @Lalitsingh-pm8yp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes please, share the details about presumptive tax structure also.

  • @akashshah9147
    @akashshah9147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much mam, searching for taxation on f&o from a long time, but not getting proper guidance. This is very clear and useful 👍

  • @anilbelankar5032
    @anilbelankar5032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video, please let us know about presumptive taxation as well. Thank you.

  • @lavkumar8829
    @lavkumar8829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good informative videos. And please also elaborate the reverse trade (3 option) in calculation of Turnover, so that many of us also get and understand the concept fully

  • @sridharsv9620
    @sridharsv9620 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for very detailed and clear explanations...🎉

  • @tanujsingh510
    @tanujsingh510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was really very useful for retail traders who have no idea about taxation on FnO. Thanks a ton Ma'am!!

  • @jsuds18
    @jsuds18 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the clarification...was always confusing for someone new to F&O !!

  • @MadhurAgarwalDce
    @MadhurAgarwalDce ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks a lot ma'am... I have been reading everywhere about F&O turnover concept but couldn't understand and you taught it in very simple way.... thanks a lot

  • @shailendrapratapsingh3663
    @shailendrapratapsingh3663 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the conditions is Audit applicable if a loss or profit of less than 6% of turnover (for non-cash transactions).

  • @gouthamkaranam3825
    @gouthamkaranam3825 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks mam, finally understood. thanks for explaining very clearly.

  • @ponmanirajan
    @ponmanirajan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the clarification on f&o taxation. How to prepare p&l statement and balance sheet for f&o trading business

  • @niloypa21
    @niloypa21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nicely explained. Please make video on presumptive taxation.

  • @dingdongkk1
    @dingdongkk1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yeah interested to know about presumptive taxation and calculation, it will be enlightened

  • @akhilchourse5445
    @akhilchourse5445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please make a video on presumptive taxation

  • @hitikpatel007
    @hitikpatel007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was superb and in depth knowledge. Thank you. also please make a video on Presumptive taxation.

  • @kparthasarathi5868
    @kparthasarathi5868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much mam for sharing very much informative and useful video about tax audit.

  • @adityak6350
    @adityak6350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Uploaded on proper time..
    Thank you so much 🥰🥰

  • @udaykale1786
    @udaykale1786 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi Rachana Thanks for tons of clarifications. T/O reqd =10Cr. Want to know how can I prepare myself for Tax audit and books of A/C. I was told that because all demat F&O transitions happen online and all reports are available in digital form it's easy to maintain books of a/c. I use a Zerodha trading platform. Can you have a video on how to prepare books of a/c and prepare P&L statement and balance sheet. Also one more question on Advance Tax. How do you accurately predict your15%,45%,& 75% income on 3 adv tax dates. In F&O you are not sure how much profit or loss you will be making at the end of the year. Sorry for a long comment!!!

  • @arvmac09
    @arvmac09 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very useful ma’m. Would love to know about presumptive taxation as well

  • @ajitmagar
    @ajitmagar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very SuperB...I was looking for this only...!!! liked...as always...Keep doing such informative videos !!!❤🙏👍

  • @yogeshbadgire
    @yogeshbadgire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my god! So much of the confusion is cleared up because of this video. Thank you so much.

    • @yogeshbadgire
      @yogeshbadgire 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CA R. ㊉①⑥④①②④④⓪①④② stay away you scammer

    • @CARachanaRanade
      @CARachanaRanade  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it helped! 😊

  • @amangarg5753
    @amangarg5753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Right video at the right time as I also getting messages from ITR Department to fill taxes.
    Going to learn more about the stock market from you.

  • @muralis7046
    @muralis7046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent information about F&O for small traders with low investment where the profit is minimal.

  • @jiralsavla7284
    @jiralsavla7284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master video for F&O related issues, Calculation of T/O for tax audit..

  • @sunilparulekar
    @sunilparulekar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much Mam for this well explained information 👍

  • @user1994gms
    @user1994gms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    zerodha, groww has turnover filled for us in FY. so can we use it or it may be wrong?
    Rachana mam, kindly confirm whether can we use the turnover mentioned by Groww, Zerodha or need to calculate manually

  • @vibhoragrawal6309
    @vibhoragrawal6309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why not everyone tell about this
    If your total income including STCG after applicable tax deductions is below Rs 2.5 Lakh, then your total tax liability is nil and also no liability will arise us/ 111A as deduction up to the basic tax exemption limit is allowed

  • @ganeshpathak4700
    @ganeshpathak4700 ปีที่แล้ว

    very well explained, Thanks a lot Rachna madam, if possible can you also explain tax calculations for profit/loss in equity short selling..

  • @jainpiyush
    @jainpiyush ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank Ma'am!
    I want to know one thing....
    Does guidance lines of ICAI issued on 19-08-22, page no 17 of PDF.... affect the calculation of turnover of options ...

  • @DeepakLudhwani28
    @DeepakLudhwani28 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very informative video, will love to have presumptive taxation video

  • @sushmaswami165
    @sushmaswami165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi mam.... happy to see you. Thank you

  • @VikramKriplani
    @VikramKriplani 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks! I believe investing with Tax context is useful for Tax Harvesting & mindful actions. Presumptive Income video shall be useful & info. on maintenance of books of accounts when Turnover more than 25 Lakhs and/or Income more than 2.5 Lakhs. 🙏

    • @CARachanaRanade
      @CARachanaRanade  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the recognition, I shall surely try to come up with the video on presumptive scheme

  • @subhalakshmi2847
    @subhalakshmi2847 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really helpful video mama..
    I hav a doubt - whether presumptive basis can be made in ITR 3 also right..?

  • @jiteshrohra
    @jiteshrohra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video Rachana, can one opt for presumptive taxation in case of F&O, considering it is a business?

  • @Kimbabysamy
    @Kimbabysamy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please mam put separate video about speculative business

  • @rohitindurkar
    @rohitindurkar ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much Rachna. Really helpful 😃👍

  • @mehulchheda9
    @mehulchheda9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot for clarifying

  • @nitarik10
    @nitarik10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes please do a video on presumptive taxation ..and if our profits are not 6% of the turnover then too we have to file audited ITR

  • @piyushmor4145
    @piyushmor4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes mam please tell us about presumptive taxes 🙏

  • @deepanshugarg1473
    @deepanshugarg1473 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maam now 1 ammendment has come in guidance note regarding this. We will be very happy if you will incorporate that ammendment in this video. now the turnover in case of options will be changed in your examples.
    Thanks from Hisar.

  • @advsanjay
    @advsanjay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much 🙏

  • @JagannadhaRaoT
    @JagannadhaRaoT ปีที่แล้ว

    pls make a video clarifying when to go for tax audit and when not needed for salaried person doing f&o and stocks trading longterm and shortterm and intraday....

  • @manjunathmm-of5ns
    @manjunathmm-of5ns ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative video, please clarify regarding advance tax for future and options to be paid

  • @ansu684
    @ansu684 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for a nice video. I would like to know how a salaried person will pay tax if FNO is additional part in his/her income.

  • @animationchildrenrhymes7120
    @animationchildrenrhymes7120 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everything was crystal clear...Mam can you please elaborate the premium topic it's sincere request

  • @Rahul-cg8yv
    @Rahul-cg8yv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For call option you have paid the premium and hence it will not be taken for calculation of T/o...
    As per literal interpretation of the law you have to add premium received on sale of option but you are paying premium and hence call option is wrong!!

  • @gnanasekar5859
    @gnanasekar5859 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video... Yes would like to know about presumptive taxation also... Wanted to know how to claim losses from F&O business... Will there be tax audit applicable if we claim a loss...

  • @redmi3sprime753
    @redmi3sprime753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Plz make separate video on presumptive taxation. Thanks

  • @rockybadhe
    @rockybadhe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Madam Great knowledge Please Make a video on presumptive taxes - a loyal pro investor

  • @akshayshinde8089
    @akshayshinde8089 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello mam, please make video on how tax is calculated on swp and how investor can declare it while filing ITR.

  • @mayurstravelarc
    @mayurstravelarc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Rachana- Brilliantly taught....Super Duper Important:)

  • @sarathkumar341
    @sarathkumar341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have learnt all these things, but the confusion is in the presumptive taxation only (specifically for salaried & F&O). Hope you will explain in next video. Waiting.

    • @casomaygarg7197
      @casomaygarg7197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In this case , you need to show minimum 6 % profit in F&O ,Plus usual salary income. But if you show profit below 6% (mostly happen when F&O is in Loss) .Then you need to Tax audit done by CA

    • @sarathkumar341
      @sarathkumar341 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@casomaygarg7197 Thanks. Does this presumptive taxation applicable (or optional) only if we cross the turnover?

    • @casomaygarg7197
      @casomaygarg7197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sarathkumar341 those sections work in combination. Not in isolation.

  • @cachaitralimarne7290
    @cachaitralimarne7290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Ma'am...This defination is only for checking applicability of Tax Audi or also for showing turnover in ITR??? pl reply.

  • @deepakbajaj8624
    @deepakbajaj8624 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic explanation of Options & Futures taxation. But strange prediction of turnover 😂. Thank you

  • @TheMotorman1981
    @TheMotorman1981 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video Sir.
    When Assessee is a Partnership Firm...
    then
    Is Gross receipt for 5% threshold calculated on total total fund inflow in form of cash and bank? or on Turnover?
    Same is 5% Gross payment on total fund outflow? or on Total Turnover?

  • @desai_ravin
    @desai_ravin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Madam,
    I just want to know,
    Whether fees paid by the Taxpayers for portfolio management services would be allowed as a deduction under the Income Tax Law..??
    Thanks,
    Ravin Desai

  • @HD-hx6yq
    @HD-hx6yq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi - I'd really like to understand presumptive taxation

  • @pramod200726
    @pramod200726 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for video

  • @srikar.s1306
    @srikar.s1306 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello ma'am this was refreshing.. pl do a video on presumptive taxation pls.

  • @jiralsavla7284
    @jiralsavla7284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please release video related to presumptive taxation for F&O business..thanx in advance

  • @freefirelovergaming9652
    @freefirelovergaming9652 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much mam.
    Please, do the presumptive scheme for F&O trading

  • @advaniketgarg23
    @advaniketgarg23 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mam call or put premium ko lot size se multyply bhi karna hei??? .for actual turnover

  • @ashokkumarchadha692
    @ashokkumarchadha692 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Madam would you please throw some light on maintenance of books etc. as also how to do that.

  • @RoopaliKadam
    @RoopaliKadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have explained the complex calculation part very well.
    It helped me.
    Thank you for your knowledge-packed videos😊.
    Waiting for the next part.
    Loss &

    • @tamilevil
      @tamilevil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No audit.

    • @RoopaliKadam
      @RoopaliKadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tamilevil Thank you

    • @CARachanaRanade
      @CARachanaRanade  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, this involves a lot of intricacies. But to give you a quick answer, in case one wants to declare loss (& not declare the profit as per presumptive scheme), conservatively one should get the Tax audit done & maintain books where Turnover is upto 2crore (because sec 44AD is involved here). Further if turnover is above 2crore & upto 10 crore then you need to maintain books & need not do tax audit(considering cash payment & cash receipts are upto 5%, as said in the video). And if the turnover exceeds 10crore then tax audit is required to be conducted.

    • @RoopaliKadam
      @RoopaliKadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CARachanaRanade Thank you

    • @NaveenKumar-fu2cp
      @NaveenKumar-fu2cp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      After seeing another doubt popped up that the turnover calculation is only for knowing tax audit applicability?
      And for showing in ITR the same turnover to be considered or just the sale value(ignoring absolute profit and loss) to be considered?

  • @Nanavaras100
    @Nanavaras100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello!!! thank you so much on the informative video. Yes please tell us about presumtive taxation as well. That will be great.
    We appreciate your amazing work that you do as always👍👌🙏

  • @somendrasarkar1653
    @somendrasarkar1653 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Presumptive Tax Video Request!

  • @tyagiseema79
    @tyagiseema79 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Plz cover a whole series on taxation , carry forward loss etc for cash and F&O segment... 🙏

  • @mchitrameghana
    @mchitrameghana ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi madam ,
    Advance Happy Independence Day 🇮🇳
    I have a doubt regarding F&O that is irrespective of turnover is it necessary to show books of accounts for income tax filing and what is the tax treatment if a person is trading in equity,equity oriented fund and f&o .

  • @Raw_RIDE
    @Raw_RIDE 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    best explanation ever, Rachana is a genius

  • @BASANTKUMAR-ic3rz
    @BASANTKUMAR-ic3rz ปีที่แล้ว

    Whether this calculation is applicable on carry over trade or Intraday trade or both?

  • @danikicosting1290
    @danikicosting1290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mm u r the best

  • @amitlakhani544
    @amitlakhani544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please mam do video on presumptive taxation

  • @rameshbabu9676
    @rameshbabu9676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Go ahead with presumptive tax vedio please

  • @saurabhthakur4452
    @saurabhthakur4452 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello mam, I have a doubt that how to calculate turnover in case where a call option holder sell his right before expiry.

  • @dattatrayhivare5564
    @dattatrayhivare5564 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Madam your presentation skill is mind blowing.Please make one video on how to analyse/read balance sheet particularly for Bankers while putting credit proposals.Thank you.

    • @dattatrayhivare5564
      @dattatrayhivare5564 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      मी आपले मराठी व्हिडिओ पण बघतो. आपण खुप चांगल्या पद्धतीने समजाऊन सांगता. खरंच मनापासून आभार.

    • @CARachanaRanade
      @CARachanaRanade  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      धन्यवाद 😊

  • @chpraveen4966
    @chpraveen4966 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great, please proceed.....❤

  • @pradyumnagalgali9046
    @pradyumnagalgali9046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We need to know presemtive case....and what benifits it has...wwhen to use it.....

  • @prashantkamble8776
    @prashantkamble8776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and thanks for detailed video

  • @OMG-tq8ty
    @OMG-tq8ty 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good Info. Thanks.

  • @lakshmanganiger
    @lakshmanganiger ปีที่แล้ว

    Mam, this is defferent level🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @vikasmurki2210
    @vikasmurki2210 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mam for options u didn't add lot size. So, we have to multiply the turnover with the qty to get the actual turnover right?

  • @braveheart4388
    @braveheart4388 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone's question who came to see the video is what all are allowed expenses which can be deducted from profits? That's the million dollar question. The info provided here can just be downloaded from the back end of any broker.

  • @SreeInvests
    @SreeInvests ปีที่แล้ว

    How about the taxes for the transactions on F&O, Equity, Derivatives- LTCG and STCG etc... these are the costs involved in conducting the transactions. What is the tax treatment. Can you also please make a video on the filing part of both equity, F&o and Futures transactions. The key and important points to be noted for tax filings. Also, If Tax audit, who has to do it? is it a CA,in case if the turnover is more than 10CR? thanks a lot.

  • @AbdurRahaman-jy4ly
    @AbdurRahaman-jy4ly ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I need to pay advance tax for f&o earnings ? As we don’t know whether year will end with profit or loss so how can we calculate advance tax ?

  • @biswajitbarik8481
    @biswajitbarik8481 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ma’am in the example that you showed for options …..can you show the overall ROI as well.
    Will clear up the fact that, if the person is in actual profit or loss end of the year

  • @pssingh3836
    @pssingh3836 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi very good video rachna mam, one things i want to know i have no other business , i want to carry forward my f and o losses , then audit is mandatory ? Turnover is less than 5 lakhs. Pls reply

  • @SumitKumar-mp3bq
    @SumitKumar-mp3bq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you are educating us through your videos ..
    keep up the good work ma'am
    Really appreciate it

  • @namandokania1
    @namandokania1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, If I incurred an FO loss of 100000/- and have salary income & other income as well. and turnover as per this is 1200000/- then would I need to get the tax audit done in order to adjust this loss with other income???

  • @dhakshinamoorthytn2974
    @dhakshinamoorthytn2974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pl post a video about presumptive itr taxation

  • @djscalper4336
    @djscalper4336 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank u so much.. as a engineering student its like 'dimmag hill gaya'
    thank u for this effort maam

  • @saikatmukherjee609
    @saikatmukherjee609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great...

  • @punamagr6592
    @punamagr6592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Rachna, can u pls make a video on the concept of rupee appreciating n depreciating. I am always confused if 1 INR = 70 USD vs 1INR =80USD, has the rupee appreciated or depreciated ...u explain things so well, can u explain this as well so that I have my concept clear. Thank u

  • @komalams319
    @komalams319 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Informative