Truly the VR opens up a brand new frontier in the racing sim world. The immersion is priceless, you have a sense of speed better. I also started enjoying the whole interior design of the car.You can see every detail in the cockpit around you.
Triple screens offer sim racers a superior setup with a wide, consistent field of view for enhanced spatial awareness, reduced motion sickness, and greater visual clarity without the enclosed limitations of VR. They are ideal for long sessions and competitive racing. While VR impresses with deep immersion, triple screens provide practicality and performance, making them the preferred choice for those prioritizing functionality, comfort, and a seamless multi-monitor racing experience.
I recently had an opportunity to try a very high-end triple set up at a trade show. It was a minimum of $35k. Then I came back to my Fanatec/GT7/PSVR2 setup and honestly I much prefer it. The only thing I want from the high-end set up is the motion now.
VR, by a long shot. A little uncomfortable compared to nothing on your head, but if you're smart, you can reduce that. Saying that you couldn't read dials in a quest 2, shows you just didn't explore settings well enough. Everything in the quest 2 in my racing sims is very clear, all dials easily read (and I have a minimum hardware setup for it). The drawback here is that you have to do a lot of testing and tweaking before you find the magic setup, but once you do, wow! Immersion is underrated. It makes ALL the difference. Seeing depth makes all the difference for me. Once I raced in vr, I knew I would never go back to 2D. It also gives you another aspect that helps, along with ffb, is feeling how the car is moving under you. The movement of the interior in vr gives incredible feedback, as well. Among other things, this helps you to better know when your car is slipping and how well your responses to that grip loss are working. Improves my driving safety and recovery immensely, definitely making me a better driver. Anticipation is vastly better than on any flat screen. So yeah, vr or nothing, for me.
It is incredible. In VR, I was looking at the apex, looking at the curb on exit exactly the same way I would do it in the real world. I think when I'm focused on driving, my brain simply "forgets" that I'm driving in VR.
Triples = for sim racers (focus on race, data, and ultimate performance) VR = for wannabe sim racers (those who value immersion above performance) For the record i've been both.
Mostly race VR now, but I am an immersion freak with the relative pinned high out of normal view so I can check it I want, but doesn't take away the immersion of being in the cockpit. I go back to triples every now and then for long GT3 enduros, but am always happy to be back in VR. If you race open wheel or prototype cars in VR, you will never go back to screens in them.
VR is awesome for immersion, BUT with monitors the graphics are way better and I’m just more consistent. There is also much more immersion when looking at your own hands racing, and having ambient lighting glowing your rig. As much as I love VR, I always feel okay this is cool, but back to monitors. I use Track IR which lets you look into the apex. Just glad as racers we all have options to suit our needs.
I never tried triples because I don't have the space nor I want to fork out the money, but I do have a quest 2 and a quest 3 and a Ultrawide. While using the ultrawide is more comfortable, I enjoy VR so much more! The perception of depth is a game changer when trying to learn a new track. What i found out is that if i try a new track i can get fast and learn a lot quicker in VR, than if i switch back to Ultrawide i can get similar speed. All i can say is that VR is truly the future for SIM racing, and i would bet for gaming in general too... its just a matter of time until the hardware becames so good nobady can ignore it, we are not quite there yet, but i can feel we are getting close since i would not trade my quest3 for a couple more screens...
I just switched to SUW from VR because it’s easier that way. With VR you always have to make some slight adjustments even though it’s said to be just as easy as “hop in and drive”. I’ve been a VR user for a few years and now it is so much easier to just drive when you want to. VR isn’t for me anymore. I don’t say that the immersion wouldn’t be better with VR because it is. That is just awesome. Maybe someday in the future with different tech again. I hope that AR will bring us to another level in gaming with lighter glasses.
I have space constraints and from almost 4~5 years ago I went VR with an Oculus CV1, recently upgrade it to a Pimax 5ks; I have stopped enjoying simulator in the screen, when you get use to VR there's no turning back.
A very important consideration.... game compatibility. Its pretty sad game capability for VR on PC is so spotty. Many more games support triple monitors.
I do see why people still prefer triples at this stage, but I prefer VR. But I don't see anyone using triples in the near future for simracing. VR is so much more immersive, you learn tracks faster, it's easier to see where your opponents are which is good for your racecraft, the sense of speed is easier to read. It's easier to be consistent. It's just far more intuitive then triples. I tested this with my dad, I had the Varjo Aero for a week or more and with other headsets he had trouble with the resolution and nausea. But ones he tried a high quality headset he was driving carefully like he would in real life and round by round he was going quicker. He could never do this as quick on triples and he made far more mistakes on triples. VR really is a game changer for simracing.
I have been using VR for sime racing since about 2018. I started streaming races about a year and a half ago because my viewer complained about the VR. Now i do a mix of both and like both for different reasons. I guess if I can only pick one I would pick my triples. But I still love racing in VR especially open real cars.
I prefer VR myself. I had an Oculus Rift S for about 6 years. Absolutely loved it. I decided to upgrade to a Varjo Aero when it went on sale. Best upgrade so far. Everything is so clear inside the car. With the Rift S everything was blurry after two car lengths forward, even inside the car. Dials were difficult to read. Not anymore. See you on track.
Vr 100% , or very large projector screen close to the back of the wheel base - 80" screen 85cm away , triple have an odd perspective problem especially where they met, they aren't a consistent distance from your head so this look funny
For me, its VR - mainly for the depth perception and that sth thats steep, actually looks steep and gives me a better feel for the car and its potential behavior.
There is an option to have your sim gear appear within the game... programs like reality mixer let's you mix real life footage from the headset tracking cams and the virtual environment.
Hardware specs are something to consider when opt for a VR setup. Ive own a 12400 i5 with RTX 3060, and can somehow get a decent fps with a lot of tweaking involved to sacrifice graphics over fps, because in VR. Ur really wanna focus on resolution first graphic second in terms of visual. In VR setup I dont really mind graphics because resolution tank the most in fps. You really wanna at least maximize the potential of the VR headset native resolution to be able to see properly. Or else you might see some jagged edges that are quite disturbing during racing. I never own a 3 monitor setup so I have no idea how badly the graphic card will tank your fps compare to vr. I intrigued to know which setup require more hardware performance
I can't go back to using a Monitor. Just recently switched from the Reverb G2 to the new Meta Quest 3. The Meta Quest 2 was slightly worse then the Reverb G2. The Meta Quest 3 together with the OpenXR Tool, wireless and 120Hz is really impressive. But you have to charge it for longer sessions.
I only race in VR . I can`t see myself using triples or ultrawide monitor. I use a Pico Neo 3 Link and is the best PCVR headset for simracing and the cheapest !
As someone looking to start sim racing with a very limited amount of space I'm looking very seriously at VR. Unless I can set something up in my loft...
I think big screen beyond is a game changer for VR and got rid of all the heaviness of a headset. I have triple screens for some games or just to change it up but an open wheeled car is hard to beat in vr
I have run a large single monitor, triples, and VR. If I could only choose one it would be triples. VR is fun and I still go back to it from time to time. I just get tired of strapping the Reverb G2 to my head for long periods of time. I also like being able to see all my buttons and displays. Theoretically you can be just as fast with either of the three. VR will give you the most situational awareness around the car and a single monitor will provide the least. If VR headsets ever get to where they can provide monitor perfect image quality, run wirelessly for many hours on end, lighter and more comfortable I would consider switching back. But the technology still has a way to go in my opinion. For now, triples provide the best combination of immersion, comfort, and information for me. The downsides as you mentioned are cost and space.
I get really bad motion sickness with VR so sadly it’s not me. (No it does not disappear over time with me) so I stick with a 55” close distance with a wide field of view - its not 100% the right FOV but the feeling of speed is quite good.
I have the Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 ($2400 two years ago), and a Quest 2 ($400 one year ago).. I prefer the Quest 2 even though the graphics are terrible compared the to the G9.. The immersion is just so worth it
I’ve tried multiple triple screens but the immersion of the sim fell short compared to my setup. Vr Hp Reverb, open wheeler race seat with hf8 haptic seat, bass shakers (L) (R) and (1) bass shaker on pedal base
Quest 3 here. FOV and resolution is not up to par imo. It's also quite uncomfortable and it seems like many layers of setup to just play a game. Some games i still havn't gotten it working (all wireless).
Im in that point right now. I use my reverb G2 on Assetto corsa and sometimes IS a pain in the ass... And sometimes u dont play in summer besause of the sweat. So im thinking about yo change my setup and buy a Samsung g9 57". And dont really know what to do!
VR still lacks the peripheral vision You get from triples. Plus it's such a headache setting the VR and headphones and then what if I want to watch TV between races or have a drink nor snack? All of these things are made more inconvenient with VR. I have both and race with my triple 32" 1440p screens 95% of the time. I pretty much only use VR for flight stuff and I still get a headache after 20 mins. Meanwhile I can race for hrs with triples.
as a vr user after hp reverb g2 jumped to quest 3. Pancake lenses are wonderful. i agree; triple monitor must be more comfortable but nothing can give immersion what vr gives i think. Only need Open Composite and OpenXR Toolkit.
I have the Reverb G2 and bought new only 3 months ago .Was thinking and wondering whether to switch to Q3, is it that much better quality ?? I want to see the track in the distance in a higher quality and also the apex in better detail??
@@chrishart5474 when you look forward there is no big jump, but seeing everything clear just looking that side without turning your head is wonderful. And if you have nice wireless setup like 6e, wireless connection is great without loosing any details.
@@chrishart5474 Pancake lenses with Q3 resolution gives you clear image from edge to edge, so yeah, it will be game changer upgrade from G2 to Q3, but dont forget crunk up resolution to max in meta quest programm on PC
VR is great for immersion however I found that I was slower in VR than on a screen. I think the movement distract from what matters like hitting the same braking spot.
I thought about Triple screens a while back, but the immersion of VR is much much better than staring at distant display screens. Plus VR headset takes up no room needed. Been doing VR for quite a while and really enjoy it. We are actually sitting in the cockpit with VR, not with display screens. Display screens do look cool when setup right, but that is about all they do. I do have just a single screen to do PC Windows stuff when not gaming. End of story.
Same thoughts. After getting rid of the extra monitors, I just put the cockpit next to my desk with one monitor sitting on it for non-cockpit games. Very simple and clean, love it.
I use Quest 2 with 2x resolution and decreased vertical fove. Which gives you more productivity. In iracing everything is almost as clear as it becomes on the monitor.
@@ZolalLegend25CFC Quest Pro man, no sweaty face, awsome quality image (good v-card nedded for max resolution), 90hz, and all wireless + VD with H265+ codec (400 Mb/s) - overall great experience in sims
Funny. I did the exact opposite exactly for the same reason. Had a top of the line VR headset. Triples = more serious, more accurate, more convenient, my focus is on the race, allows me have dozens of buttons mapped and overlays on different screens. VR = the technology is clunky. Performance is unstable making it a distraction. FOV is not good although similar to helmet. You need to remove your headset many times to switch between races. Cables on the back of my head while seated annoyed me. Multi-hours session are not comfortable. Immersion is breathtaking at first, but then it breaks quickly when helmet glitches, the wheel you see is not the wheel you physically hold, your physical handbrake/seq shifter is not where you see it in the car, etc. When performance mattered more than immersion, thats when i knew VR was not for me. VR was for me like an intense honeymoon. Once youre past that, then you realize it doesnt fit well in a very expensive hobby such as sim racing. And once i tried Triples, omg i'm not going back anytime soon to VR.
VR is more fun but it’s more faff and I don’t improve when using it. Triples are just nice and convenient. Single is enough to be fast, even irl you don’t look at the car too much, you know where they “should be” and if they aren’t most of the time a wider fov just means you have a better view of your impending doom.
The one and only reason/ bennefit of VR is a real 3D Image with depth. No 3 ,5 or 20 screen setup can you give this. You can better estimate distances to your opponents, braking points and cornering.
I prefer VR always, but it does affect you with fatigue and potential motion sickness after a while. Honestly its the only drawback for me, but this is solved with 15 minute breaks out of the headset between races
I choose VR every single time over monitors but its not for everyone. Some people can't handle VR and some can't deal with it for prolonged periods of time. I went from triples to VR and never looked back. There are definite drawbacks though, visual fidelity being one of them, you need to have a pretty beefy system to get the best VR experience for sure, since you are essentially in some cases running dual 4k monitors at 90hz and some of the newer headsets even more. So if you have a system that can barely push one 4k monitor at 90hz, VR will not be a good experience for you. I have been running a HP Reverb G2 now for 3 years and I still find it hard to upgrade it I think its the best bang for your buck VR headset for Simracing especially. The field of view is not the greatest but most of the headsets arent and the ones that are you give up things somewhere else like weight/size/price etc...
I went from triples to vr for space, it's great but it's just too uncomfortable especially in the hotter months. Also you need a monster gpu, even my 7900xtx can't make vr look as crisp as 3x 1440p at a good framerate, for this reason I'd choose triples over VR for anything more than casual races.
Yeah this is the con of VR you need a seriously good pc. I like what they did with the Varjo Aero, you have an automatic fan which always keep the headset cool.
I never understood people who said vr is not comftable meanwhile playing a racing simulator. If you want to copy the real thing, then why don’t you copy the feel of the helmet? If comfort that metter, why do you use dd wheel base and fight back with the force feedback, why don’t you just sit in your sofa with a controller in your hand? Is your vr almost 1kg? Maybe train your neck. Is the headset swety in a hot summer day? Well, in f1 it’s usual to lose 4-5kb weight because of swet.. this is why racing is sport because they are not just sitting in their cars (the drivers) but also training different muscles
Ha, that's an interesting perspective. I'd argue that (if I have to) a helmet is more comfortable when fitted right as it does not create any pressure points in your face 😆
I think the concept makes total sense - building a device dedicated for tether use and remove all unnecessary components. I just don't think the current headset bothers me enough to justify the price tag. I won't be too surprised if another company come up with a similar minimum headset at a much lower price point.
In 2d the imagination is missing. With Tripple I sit in the living room with 3 monitors that I drive around. As if the living room is the car. In VR I sat in the car in 3D and felt like I was on a race track. I'd rather give up my steering wheel and play with the keyboard again than ever go into a race with my living room again.Furthermore, 3 monitors cost significantly more to purchase and the electricity price. It's unbelievable how much space is wasted in the apartment. And all those unnecessary cables...
I also use a Pico4, wired. Immersion is great but the clarity and contrast is just not there yet. My 48" 4K OLED surpasses the Pico4 in image quality by miles, no contest. The Mpeg artifacts over the USB connection handycaps the image quality greatly, sadly. Therefore I'm looking at the Quest Pro, where you can turn the decoding up to 960mbs, instead of the 150mbs from Pico. Or the Quest3 with 200mbs AV1 and 10bit colors but the Q3 is still front heavy.
Thanks for your opinion. 👍 this always was a topic for me… then I decided to go 32“ triples. The comfort being the main reason. Also i build some interior for my cockpit and I would like to see all that. I own a used Q2 and its super immersive and fun to use it in racing and flight sims occasionally. Thing is: plenty of options for all users are available these days, sim racing gear wise, and that’s good! 😊 have a great Christmas time! 👋 edit: there is a center-view option. CTRL+SPACE. In VR you seem a bit off to the right, clipping the ingame seats ears!
definitely VR. I have the quest three, but it looks about 1080p. I’m moving onto the Bigscreen VR, which is much much lighter with much higher resolution. The only problem with that instead it cost three times as much Once you buy the hand controllers and head tracking cubes.
Now get rid of the static rig and get a motion sim, like the yaw2. It’s like jumping another 10 fold of immersion. It’s as close to real life racing and your life won’t be the same again.
VR is always such a pain to set up. Switch to monitor to set up back to vr. Ope it's not right, gotta change this setting switch to monitor. Then the random glitches and research needed to fix the glithces. Then you end up with new glitches when you think you have it set up right. I just wanna be able to sit down and go, not troubleshoot for 3 hours and then have a half hour to race.
I did not experience any of those problem with either a quest 2 or a pico 4. Yes you'll need to initial a connection each time, but it's very straightforward and does not take more than a couple of minutes.
i never see comments on the graphic pixelation as you look further down the road as you are supposed to in race driving, also unexpected loops, reverses or even drifting sometimes give me extreme nausia from the lack of g forces, that being said have done back to back sessions on a dbox motion rig with moza wheel, fanatec shifter and husquefeld? pedals and after running vr for 45 minutes on laguna seca a track i know inside out in sim and real life i could not keep it on the track with 3 screen, my point is the driving style due to immersiveness is affected and therefore really makes me question the ease of use of sims for real driving, great for memorization, practicing race craft or having fun but compared to a real car worries me that developing bad habits in muscle memory could create issues in real life. Still is better to practice than not end of day. thanks for the opinion video
VR is way better for immersion (I have a Pimax Crystal, after an Reverb G2 for 2 years) The only downside I can say is, that it's difficult to hit buttons e.g. on a buttonbox while in VR. Apart from that: VR all day long!
I got it with the GT Omega rig, but it looks like they don't have this model anymore. I think it's just an off-the-shelf keyboard try with swivel arm. You should be able to find it elsewhere.
triple monitor. my quest 2 is too uncomfortable and makes me sick after 1 hour. you also need to have a waaay more powerful pc to make things look as pretty as in triples
Motion sickness, extreme stress on eyes, sweaty brow.. no thanks! It seems cool until you realize you are using multiple programs and dealing with all types of different setup screens and binds for just the game you are playing now you have to incorporate a VR headset into it as well. You are moving keyboards and mouse and your regular headset around to make room to put the controllers you don't need to race but need to startup the VR etc. Its a mess and nobody ever mentions that. If you just want to sit down and race, avoid the VR, if you want to make just as much effort and prep time getting into your sim rig as you would crawling into an actual race car with roll cage and harness then go VR.
I wouldn’t say this is completely true. Coming from someone who has always gotten motion sick very easily and has to take dramamine before playing first person shooters in VR. - I can play racing games in VR for hours with no motion sickness, no uncomfortable and no strain. In terms of sweating, i just out a fan on me and it’s fine. Quest 3 is very good! 👍
I played for about 6 min on VR And then a got nauseous 🤢. I liked it, for long racing not for me. No nauseous for you? Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Get the Pico 3 Neo Link instead.....the clarity is soooo much better because no display screen compression. I was impressed by the Pico 4 but then saw comments online about the Neo Link 3 and tried it and it was all true.
I started sim racing using VR. It is very immersive, but my biggest issue always has been FOV. Even in VR, I have to turn my head to see beside me. When I am battling with someone moving my head isn’t natural. With triple screens my peripheral vision can see much more without having to turn my head.
When you drive a real car with a helmet, i doubt about your FOV, wearing a Pico it's exactly the same...And in a dogfight, fov in a triple screen won't allow to check your six...
Truly the VR opens up a brand new frontier in the racing sim world.
The immersion is priceless, you have a sense of speed better.
I also started enjoying the whole interior design of the car.You can see every detail in the cockpit around you.
Triple screens offer sim racers a superior setup with a wide, consistent field of view for enhanced spatial awareness, reduced motion sickness, and greater visual clarity without the enclosed limitations of VR. They are ideal for long sessions and competitive racing. While VR impresses with deep immersion, triple screens provide practicality and performance, making them the preferred choice for those prioritizing functionality, comfort, and a seamless multi-monitor racing experience.
VR with GT7 - love to see the realistic elevation on tracks- that’s priceless
I recently had an opportunity to try a very high-end triple set up at a trade show. It was a minimum of $35k.
Then I came back to my Fanatec/GT7/PSVR2 setup and honestly I much prefer it. The only thing I want from the high-end set up is the motion now.
VR, by a long shot. A little uncomfortable compared to nothing on your head, but if you're smart, you can reduce that. Saying that you couldn't read dials in a quest 2, shows you just didn't explore settings well enough. Everything in the quest 2 in my racing sims is very clear, all dials easily read (and I have a minimum hardware setup for it). The drawback here is that you have to do a lot of testing and tweaking before you find the magic setup, but once you do, wow!
Immersion is underrated. It makes ALL the difference. Seeing depth makes all the difference for me. Once I raced in vr, I knew I would never go back to 2D. It also gives you another aspect that helps, along with ffb, is feeling how the car is moving under you. The movement of the interior in vr gives incredible feedback, as well. Among other things, this helps you to better know when your car is slipping and how well your responses to that grip loss are working. Improves my driving safety and recovery immensely, definitely making me a better driver. Anticipation is vastly better than on any flat screen.
So yeah, vr or nothing, for me.
It is incredible. In VR, I was looking at the apex, looking at the curb on exit exactly the same way I would do it in the real world. I think when I'm focused on driving, my brain simply "forgets" that I'm driving in VR.
I remember my first week in vr
Well said very true
@@bp4861right 🤣 everyone I've raced in vr is slow
Triples == playing a game. VR == driving a car
Yes,VR you are in the game
Love this comment.
True but I have my Vr gor 2 years and I think I would hace played more if I have had a triple.
@@elsocesoy01 What give?
Triples = for sim racers (focus on race, data, and ultimate performance)
VR = for wannabe sim racers (those who value immersion above performance)
For the record i've been both.
Mostly race VR now, but I am an immersion freak with the relative pinned high out of normal view so I can check it I want, but doesn't take away the immersion of being in the cockpit. I go back to triples every now and then for long GT3 enduros, but am always happy to be back in VR. If you race open wheel or prototype cars in VR, you will never go back to screens in them.
Playing in VR is more immersive. But for me playing on a screen is a bit easier and less demanding doing longer races. Sini do a bit of both. 😊
VR is awesome for immersion, BUT with monitors the graphics are way better and I’m just more consistent. There is also much more immersion when looking at your own hands racing, and having ambient lighting glowing your rig. As much as I love VR, I always feel okay this is cool, but back to monitors. I use Track IR which lets you look into the apex.
Just glad as racers we all have options to suit our needs.
@@Username_Invalidwhich is why im buying Bigscreen Beyond and upgraded to 4080
I never tried triples because I don't have the space nor I want to fork out the money, but I do have a quest 2 and a quest 3 and a Ultrawide. While using the ultrawide is more comfortable, I enjoy VR so much more! The perception of depth is a game changer when trying to learn a new track. What i found out is that if i try a new track i can get fast and learn a lot quicker in VR, than if i switch back to Ultrawide i can get similar speed. All i can say is that VR is truly the future for SIM racing, and i would bet for gaming in general too... its just a matter of time until the hardware becames so good nobady can ignore it, we are not quite there yet, but i can feel we are getting close since i would not trade my quest3 for a couple more screens...
I just switched to SUW from VR because it’s easier that way. With VR you always have to make some slight adjustments even though it’s said to be just as easy as “hop in and drive”.
I’ve been a VR user for a few years and now it is so much easier to just drive when you want to. VR isn’t for me anymore.
I don’t say that the immersion wouldn’t be better with VR because it is. That is just awesome. Maybe someday in the future with different tech again. I hope that AR will bring us to another level in gaming with lighter glasses.
2 months ago i went from triple screen setup to Quest 3 and it was the best thing i've done.
I have space constraints and from almost 4~5 years ago I went VR with an Oculus CV1, recently upgrade it to a Pimax 5ks; I have stopped enjoying simulator in the screen, when you get use to VR there's no turning back.
VR with the new Meta 3. The pancake lenses are great and the solution is awesome for this price range!! I dont want to switch Back :)
Same, the clarity is surprising right?! , barely any screen door effect.
A very important consideration.... game compatibility.
Its pretty sad game capability for VR on PC is so spotty. Many more games support triple monitors.
VR, if you get hot in a race, buy a fan and point it at yourself
Just started Sim Racing and went VR to save space! I also play on a single 4K 55' oled television when I want to jump right in for a quick spin.
VR always worth a try, cheaper than 3 monitors
I do see why people still prefer triples at this stage, but I prefer VR.
But I don't see anyone using triples in the near future for simracing. VR is so much more immersive, you learn tracks faster, it's easier to see where your opponents are which is good for your racecraft, the sense of speed is easier to read. It's easier to be consistent. It's just far more intuitive then triples.
I tested this with my dad, I had the Varjo Aero for a week or more and with other headsets he had trouble with the resolution and nausea. But ones he tried a high quality headset he was driving carefully like he would in real life and round by round he was going quicker. He could never do this as quick on triples and he made far more mistakes on triples.
VR really is a game changer for simracing.
Agree. I was almost instantly a second faster switching to Vr. I am also much more consistent.
I have both and mainly comfort when it's too hot drives me back to triples.
I have been using VR for sime racing since about 2018. I started streaming races about a year and a half ago because my viewer complained about the VR. Now i do a mix of both and like both for different reasons. I guess if I can only pick one I would pick my triples. But I still love racing in VR especially open real cars.
I prefer VR myself. I had an Oculus Rift S for about 6 years. Absolutely loved it. I decided to upgrade to a Varjo Aero when it went on sale. Best upgrade so far. Everything is so clear inside the car. With the Rift S everything was blurry after two car lengths forward, even inside the car. Dials were difficult to read. Not anymore. See you on track.
Vr 100% , or very large projector screen close to the back of the wheel base - 80" screen 85cm away , triple have an odd perspective problem especially where they met, they aren't a consistent distance from your head so this look funny
The stereo focal depth that VR adds really ups the experience for me. The new MQ3 resolution is getting close to the graphic detail needed.
For me, its VR - mainly for the depth perception and that sth thats steep, actually looks steep and gives me a better feel for the car and its potential behavior.
There is an option to have your sim gear appear within the game... programs like reality mixer let's you mix real life footage from the headset tracking cams and the virtual environment.
With the passtrough cameras from the VR Headset Like Quest 3 or Pro
This is from my setup th-cam.com/users/shortsYSod70NKjJA (just too hot for VR at the moment).
Hardware specs are something to consider when opt for a VR setup. Ive own a 12400 i5 with RTX 3060, and can somehow get a decent fps with a lot of tweaking involved to sacrifice graphics over fps, because in VR. Ur really wanna focus on resolution first graphic second in terms of visual. In VR setup I dont really mind graphics because resolution tank the most in fps. You really wanna at least maximize the potential of the VR headset native resolution to be able to see properly. Or else you might see some jagged edges that are quite disturbing during racing.
I never own a 3 monitor setup so I have no idea how badly the graphic card will tank your fps compare to vr. I intrigued to know which setup require more hardware performance
I use both however staying cool when using my VR headset has been challenging so I mainly stick to triple monitors.
i love both VR and 55” triples. depends on the itch which one to use.
Nice! If I were to get triples again I'd definitely go with something bigger.
VR all Day
I can't go back to using a Monitor. Just recently switched from the Reverb G2 to the new Meta Quest 3. The Meta Quest 2 was slightly worse then the Reverb G2. The Meta Quest 3 together with the OpenXR Tool, wireless and 120Hz is really impressive. But you have to charge it for longer sessions.
I only race in VR . I can`t see myself using triples or ultrawide monitor. I use a Pico Neo 3 Link and is the best PCVR headset for simracing and the cheapest !
welcome to the world of VR my friend.
As someone looking to start sim racing with a very limited amount of space I'm looking very seriously at VR. Unless I can set something up in my loft...
very clear info, thanks bro
What are your PC specs and can you run ACC in VR?
I think big screen beyond is a game changer for VR and got rid of all the heaviness of a headset. I have triple screens for some games or just to change it up but an open wheeled car is hard to beat in vr
I have run a large single monitor, triples, and VR. If I could only choose one it would be triples. VR is fun and I still go back to it from time to time. I just get tired of strapping the Reverb G2 to my head for long periods of time. I also like being able to see all my buttons and displays. Theoretically you can be just as fast with either of the three. VR will give you the most situational awareness around the car and a single monitor will provide the least.
If VR headsets ever get to where they can provide monitor perfect image quality, run wirelessly for many hours on end, lighter and more comfortable I would consider switching back. But the technology still has a way to go in my opinion. For now, triples provide the best combination of immersion, comfort, and information for me. The downsides as you mentioned are cost and space.
I get really bad motion sickness with VR so sadly it’s not me. (No it does not disappear over time with me) so I stick with a 55” close distance with a wide field of view - its not 100% the right FOV but the feeling of speed is quite good.
I have the Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 ($2400 two years ago), and a Quest 2 ($400 one year ago).. I prefer the Quest 2 even though the graphics are terrible compared the to the G9.. The immersion is just so worth it
Triple for daily use and longer use, VR as a nice2have addon
I’ve tried multiple triple screens but the immersion of the sim fell short compared to my setup. Vr Hp Reverb, open wheeler race seat with hf8 haptic seat, bass shakers (L) (R) and (1) bass shaker on pedal base
Nice! I'm looking forward to try open wheel race in GT7 once my PS compatible wheelbase shows up.
Quest 3 here. FOV and resolution is not up to par imo. It's also quite uncomfortable and it seems like many layers of setup to just play a game. Some games i still havn't gotten it working (all wireless).
What about the 57” ultrawide Samsung monitor ? No bezels, no hassle,…
I really don't get why people would go back from VR for sims, I mean, driving a race car wasn't even meant to be comfortable :D
Im in that point right now. I use my reverb G2 on Assetto corsa and sometimes IS a pain in the ass... And sometimes u dont play in summer besause of the sweat. So im thinking about yo change my setup and buy a Samsung g9 57". And dont really know what to do!
VR here...
VR still lacks the peripheral vision You get from triples. Plus it's such a headache setting the VR and headphones and then what if I want to watch TV between races or have a drink nor snack? All of these things are made more inconvenient with VR. I have both and race with my triple 32" 1440p screens 95% of the time. I pretty much only use VR for flight stuff and I still get a headache after 20 mins. Meanwhile I can race for hrs with triples.
as a vr user after hp reverb g2 jumped to quest 3. Pancake lenses are wonderful. i agree; triple monitor must be more comfortable but nothing can give immersion what vr gives i think. Only need Open Composite and OpenXR Toolkit.
I have the Reverb G2 and bought new only 3 months ago .Was thinking and wondering whether to switch to Q3, is it that much better quality ?? I want to see the track in the distance in a higher quality and also the apex in better detail??
@@chrishart5474 when you look forward there is no big jump, but seeing everything clear just looking that side without turning your head is wonderful. And if you have nice wireless setup like 6e, wireless connection is great without loosing any details.
@@chrishart5474 Pancake lenses with Q3 resolution gives you clear image from edge to edge, so yeah, it will be game changer upgrade from G2 to Q3, but dont forget crunk up resolution to max in meta quest programm on PC
VR is great for immersion however I found that I was slower in VR than on a screen. I think the movement distract from what matters like hitting the same braking spot.
I thought about Triple screens a while back, but the immersion of VR is much much better than staring at distant display screens. Plus VR headset takes up no room needed. Been doing VR for quite a while and really enjoy it. We are actually sitting in the cockpit with VR, not with display screens. Display screens do look cool when setup right, but that is about all they do.
I do have just a single screen to do PC Windows stuff when not gaming.
End of story.
Same thoughts. After getting rid of the extra monitors, I just put the cockpit next to my desk with one monitor sitting on it for non-cockpit games. Very simple and clean, love it.
@@tm21simracing Thanks for your added info reply. take care.
I use Quest 2 with 2x resolution and decreased vertical fove. Which gives you more productivity. In iracing everything is almost as clear as it becomes on the monitor.
I just got a quest 3 , i had the quest 2 and is a huge leap ! If you enjoy it with quest 2 consider the upgrade, totally worth it!
HP Reverb G2 all day over triples. One thing I would like to maybe mention is that with a Bigscreen Beyond the comfort issue is completely gone.
75hz tho. And I believe the gasket gets sweaty easily
@@ZolalLegend25CFC Quest Pro man, no sweaty face, awsome quality image (good v-card nedded for max resolution), 90hz, and all wireless + VD with H265+ codec (400 Mb/s) - overall great experience in sims
Funny. I did the exact opposite exactly for the same reason. Had a top of the line VR headset.
Triples = more serious, more accurate, more convenient, my focus is on the race, allows me have dozens of buttons mapped and overlays on different screens.
VR = the technology is clunky. Performance is unstable making it a distraction. FOV is not good although similar to helmet. You need to remove your headset many times to switch between races. Cables on the back of my head while seated annoyed me. Multi-hours session are not comfortable. Immersion is breathtaking at first, but then it breaks quickly when helmet glitches, the wheel you see is not the wheel you physically hold, your physical handbrake/seq shifter is not where you see it in the car, etc. When performance mattered more than immersion, thats when i knew VR was not for me.
VR was for me like an intense honeymoon. Once youre past that, then you realize it doesnt fit well in a very expensive hobby such as sim racing. And once i tried Triples, omg i'm not going back anytime soon to VR.
yey - but the comfort level is very awesome on the pico. 400+ gramms
the lighter from a 500g standpoint - the very lighter it feels
It's indeed a leap forward compared to the quest 2
VR is amazing and addictive.
VR is more fun but it’s more faff and I don’t improve when using it. Triples are just nice and convenient.
Single is enough to be fast, even irl you don’t look at the car too much, you know where they “should be” and if they aren’t most of the time a wider fov just means you have a better view of your impending doom.
Which monitor would you get ? Im currently shopping as i sold my va panels
I had 32" QHD monitors, if I were to do it again i'll get something even bigger.
The one and only reason/ bennefit of VR is a real 3D Image with depth. No 3 ,5 or 20 screen setup can you give this.
You can better estimate distances to your opponents, braking points and cornering.
I prefer VR always, but it does affect you with fatigue and potential motion sickness after a while. Honestly its the only drawback for me, but this is solved with 15 minute breaks out of the headset between races
I feel lucky that I don't have a motion sickness problem. But I'm really curious if one could build up tolerance against it.
What monitors are those? Been looking for something big with a high refresh rate.
Those are 32" QHD LG monitors, 165Hz refresh rate. They are decent but honestly I would prefer something even larger.
I choose VR every single time over monitors but its not for everyone. Some people can't handle VR and some can't deal with it for prolonged periods of time. I went from triples to VR and never looked back. There are definite drawbacks though, visual fidelity being one of them, you need to have a pretty beefy system to get the best VR experience for sure, since you are essentially in some cases running dual 4k monitors at 90hz and some of the newer headsets even more. So if you have a system that can barely push one 4k monitor at 90hz, VR will not be a good experience for you. I have been running a HP Reverb G2 now for 3 years and I still find it hard to upgrade it I think its the best bang for your buck VR headset for Simracing especially. The field of view is not the greatest but most of the headsets arent and the ones that are you give up things somewhere else like weight/size/price etc...
A triple monitor setup requires a pretty powerful pc. You can run vr with less of a performance requirement, but vr still requires a good pc
VR for me, but still have my triples for productivity.
I went from triples to vr for space, it's great but it's just too uncomfortable especially in the hotter months. Also you need a monster gpu, even my 7900xtx can't make vr look as crisp as 3x 1440p at a good framerate, for this reason I'd choose triples over VR for anything more than casual races.
Yeah this is the con of VR you need a seriously good pc. I like what they did with the Varjo Aero, you have an automatic fan which always keep the headset cool.
The depth of field with VR makes it impossible to go back to pancake racing.
Now we just need higher quality headsets that are much lighter.
VR all the way. awesome for cockpit games.
I never understood people who said vr is not comftable meanwhile playing a racing simulator. If you want to copy the real thing, then why don’t you copy the feel of the helmet? If comfort that metter, why do you use dd wheel base and fight back with the force feedback, why don’t you just sit in your sofa with a controller in your hand? Is your vr almost 1kg? Maybe train your neck. Is the headset swety in a hot summer day? Well, in f1 it’s usual to lose 4-5kb weight because of swet.. this is why racing is sport because they are not just sitting in their cars (the drivers) but also training different muscles
Ha, that's an interesting perspective. I'd argue that (if I have to) a helmet is more comfortable when fitted right as it does not create any pressure points in your face 😆
Have you heard of the big screen beyond? It's about the size of the pico controllers, yet has 2560 x 2560 resolution per eye.
I think the concept makes total sense - building a device dedicated for tether use and remove all unnecessary components. I just don't think the current headset bothers me enough to justify the price tag. I won't be too surprised if another company come up with a similar minimum headset at a much lower price point.
BSB is highly overpriced
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In 2d the imagination is missing. With Tripple I sit in the living room with 3 monitors that I drive around. As if the living room is the car. In VR I sat in the car in 3D and felt like I was on a race track. I'd rather give up my steering wheel and play with the keyboard again than ever go into a race with my living room again.Furthermore, 3 monitors cost significantly more to purchase and the electricity price. It's unbelievable how much space is wasted in the apartment. And all those unnecessary cables...
With a pimax crystal vr is amazing but expensive and you need a beast of pc. In a race you forget wearing it..
Triples for me
Mixed reality is the future
I also use a Pico4, wired. Immersion is great but the clarity and contrast is just not there yet. My 48" 4K OLED surpasses the Pico4 in image quality by miles, no contest. The Mpeg artifacts over the USB connection handycaps the image quality greatly, sadly. Therefore I'm looking at the Quest Pro, where you can turn the decoding up to 960mbs, instead of the 150mbs from Pico. Or the Quest3 with 200mbs AV1 and 10bit colors but the Q3 is still front heavy.
Im very intrested of pico5 wich should be released 2024
Quest 3 is best value currently. I have both headsets.
Thanks for your opinion. 👍 this always was a topic for me… then I decided to go 32“ triples. The comfort being the main reason. Also i build some interior for my cockpit and I would like to see all that. I own a used Q2 and its super immersive and fun to use it in racing and flight sims occasionally. Thing is: plenty of options for all users are available these days, sim racing gear wise, and that’s good! 😊 have a great Christmas time! 👋 edit: there is a center-view option. CTRL+SPACE. In VR you seem a bit off to the right, clipping the ingame seats ears!
Big Screen Beyond VR headset is best for simracing and flight sim. IMO
Ok, you got me.
Hands down, VR.
definitely VR. I have the quest three, but it looks about 1080p. I’m moving onto the Bigscreen VR, which is much much lighter with much higher resolution. The only problem with that instead it cost three times as much Once you buy the hand controllers and head tracking cubes.
Now get rid of the static rig and get a motion sim, like the yaw2. It’s like jumping another 10 fold of immersion. It’s as close to real life racing and your life won’t be the same again.
VR is always such a pain to set up. Switch to monitor to set up back to vr. Ope it's not right, gotta change this setting switch to monitor. Then the random glitches and research needed to fix the glithces. Then you end up with new glitches when you think you have it set up right. I just wanna be able to sit down and go, not troubleshoot for 3 hours and then have a half hour to race.
I did not experience any of those problem with either a quest 2 or a pico 4. Yes you'll need to initial a connection each time, but it's very straightforward and does not take more than a couple of minutes.
i never see comments on the graphic pixelation as you look further down the road as you are supposed to in race driving, also unexpected loops, reverses or even drifting sometimes give me extreme nausia from the lack of g forces, that being said have done back to back sessions on a dbox motion rig with moza wheel, fanatec shifter and husquefeld? pedals and after running vr for 45 minutes on laguna seca a track i know inside out in sim and real life i could not keep it on the track with 3 screen, my point is the driving style due to immersiveness is affected and therefore really makes me question the ease of use of sims for real driving, great for memorization, practicing race craft or having fun but compared to a real car worries me that developing bad habits in muscle memory could create issues in real life. Still is better to practice than not end of day. thanks for the opinion video
2D newer be so immersive like 3D 360
VR is way better for immersion (I have a Pimax Crystal, after an Reverb G2 for 2 years)
The only downside I can say is, that it's difficult to hit buttons e.g. on a buttonbox while in VR.
Apart from that: VR all day long!
I used Mixed Reality with my Quest Pro,so i can see my real Steering Wheel and my Shifterbox in the game
Once you learn all the buttons on your wheel is easy.
@@ACFUN34 Yes on the wheel it's easy, but if you have a separate buttonbox it's something else 😉
Haha this is my biggest pain point with Flight sim. The visual is incredible in VR, but trying to find all the buttons...
What keyboard tray is that?
I got it with the GT Omega rig, but it looks like they don't have this model anymore. I think it's just an off-the-shelf keyboard try with swivel arm. You should be able to find it elsewhere.
triple monitor. my quest 2 is too uncomfortable and makes me sick after 1 hour. you also need to have a waaay more powerful pc to make things look as pretty as in triples
I've been thinking of going the other way. Have 4090 g2.
I can read all the stuff with my quest 2, and it runs acc at 120fps
I have the quest 3 i tried to play with that and the immersive its amazing also I feel sick very soon with vomit 🤢
Motion sickness, extreme stress on eyes, sweaty brow.. no thanks! It seems cool until you realize you are using multiple programs and dealing with all types of different setup screens and binds for just the game you are playing now you have to incorporate a VR headset into it as well. You are moving keyboards and mouse and your regular headset around to make room to put the controllers you don't need to race but need to startup the VR etc. Its a mess and nobody ever mentions that. If you just want to sit down and race, avoid the VR, if you want to make just as much effort and prep time getting into your sim rig as you would crawling into an actual race car with roll cage and harness then go VR.
I wouldn’t say this is completely true. Coming from someone who has always gotten motion sick very easily and has to take dramamine before playing first person shooters in VR. - I can play racing games in VR for hours with no motion sickness, no uncomfortable and no strain. In terms of sweating, i just out a fan on me and it’s fine. Quest 3 is very good! 👍
What size triples do you have?
I had 32". They worked fine but if I were to ever get a triple setup again, I'd definitely go with something bigger.
@@tm21simracing good to know. I have been back and forth the last few weeks and been thinking going 43s
VR!
Got me thinking 🤔
Bigscreen Beyond VR headset
First of all,
You should use Virtual desktop with pico 4 coz with the cable the quality is -%70 .
Umm interesting.. I'll give it a try.
I played for about 6 min on VR And then a got nauseous 🤢.
I liked it, for long racing not for me.
No nauseous for you?
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Get the Pico 3 Neo Link instead.....the clarity is soooo much better because no display screen compression. I was impressed by the Pico 4 but then saw comments online about the Neo Link 3 and tried it and it was all true.
try P4 with VD H265+ codec, it give's you 400 Mb/s instead of 150 with standart wireless software, almost quest link quality (500 mb/s)
Triples!
I started sim racing using VR. It is very immersive, but my biggest issue always has been FOV. Even in VR, I have to turn my head to see beside me. When I am battling with someone moving my head isn’t natural. With triple screens my peripheral vision can see much more without having to turn my head.
Never used a pimax?
@@chotus69No, and I’m sure eventually something even better than the 8k X, but there were other reasons I made the switch.
Maybe try a newer headset? The view angle I got from the Pico4 felt no different from driving in the real world.
Yes, every 6 months I can buy a new one.
When you drive a real car with a helmet, i doubt about your FOV, wearing a Pico it's exactly the same...And in a dogfight, fov in a triple screen won't allow to check your six...
VR is all cool and game until you have to do long duration races or live in an high humidity region.
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