@@GamingUniversityUoG people disconnected from reality who live in a world where wonders and horrors are the norm. They honestly had no business raising a child.
@inovade it is said in documents that the show was explicitly made to teach paranatural concepts and ideas as well as how those paranatural objects and events function to a younger mind in a more fun way obviously for Dylan as they only had one child in custody and we're actively trying to keep paranatural occurrences out of the public eye
Literally all I want from a Control sequel is for Dylan to wake up and get some damn sympathy after everything he's seen and been through. The Bureau literally ruined his entire life and I felt so sorry for him the entire time.
Imagine being forced to watch Threshold Kids and treated like a labrat your whole life. No wonder he has issues. I fully expect a redemption arc for him. Looking forward to it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I want this so badly. I've just recently beaten he ultimate edition (sadly not realizing I can update the FPS for my PS5) and I want a 3rd dlc. I love the lore and world of this game.
It ruined both siblings lives, really. The Bureau treated both kids not like people, but like Objects of Power to be studied, controlled, and eventually bound and utilized. They had looked at it like having two of the same OOP so they had the opportunity to run two different simultaneous experiments and it resulted in two very broken people incapable of living in normal society. Dylan was locked up in the Bureau and treated like a lab rat. Even his name was stripped from him and he was instead referred to as P6. His every move was monitored and controlled and revolved around nightmarish experiments (I think Threshold Kids was an example of a psychological experiment to see how he could/would handle traumatic information and visuals as a test to see how worthy he was of being a directorial candidate). When this caused him to lash out and kill one of the people experimenting on him, they restricted him even further, causing him to break completely and attempt to escape. After that they judged him to be too difficult to control and locked him away with the other Altered Items and OoPs in the Panopticon and turned their attention fully to Jesse. With Jesse they purposefully left a traumatized 10 year old all alone with no support, home, or clue of what to do as a twisted "control group" to measure Dylan's progress and abilities against. They followed and spied on her for her entire life, ensuring she doubted her own sanity and safety and that she would never be able to settle down and become normal. They wanted to see how these two "Objects of Power" would develop and how differently they'd react to stress tests. If they were actually one child, originally, they might also have wanted to see how and if stress placed on one child would affect the other. The P7 room shows they were gearing up to "acquire" their missing OoP to replace Dylan.
You may be onto something with Dylan and Jessie being the same person. They mention they were inseparable as kids. There's a recording of Dylan mentioning that Jessie always wanted to go out on her own. One of the slides seemed to be able to make this sort of thing happen, like that kid that wanted to be a dog, became a dog, or Jessie wishing the adults would just go away, and they did. Perhaps "Jessie Dylan Faden" wished to be able to separate from another side of themselves?
I just noticed this earlier this morning when I went to record that little bit in there. I think it is kind of cool. It gives us a little timeline between the end of the main game and the Foundation.
What? No! uhhhh. I lost my save-file and have to start over completely - - which means I have to burn through the entire game and all it's extra content again before AWE Drops :'( But I guess seeing this haircut is my goal lol
@@GamingUniversityUoG Hiss corruption is actually the cause of his baldness. Notice how none of the enemies have any hair? It was a line of dialogue between 2 random NPCs in the Executive Sector. IIRC Pope mentioned it too.
Dylan wasn't killed by the hiss possibly because of his power, possibly because the hiss wanted him alive. The hiss didn't kill Trench. Trench killed himself when Jesse was close enough to the office to take over control of the FBC. Trench and Darling didn't allow Dylan to become director because he couldn't control his power and hurt people, but the hiss still had a use for him.
I guess it is kind of like the Dark Presence. It did not turn Alan or Rose into Taken because it could make use of them. Instead it just touched them. Same with Cynthia weaver I believe.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I don't get what is the source of Dylan's and Northmoor's powers (btw, are you planning to do a video on Northmoor?). One has to bind an OoP to have paranatural abilities, right? That would mean that the Board controls all of it. Or can you be born with these abilities or develop them naturally?
For starters not just everyone can be bound or make use or OoPs or have any form of power. Only Parautalitarians. There is also stronger and weaker ones. Norrhmoor, Dylan, and Jesse are odd the charts while people like Clay Steward and some FBC personelle are very weak. Alan and Dr. Tokui were on that spectrum somewhere. They haven't specified what causes Parautalitarian abilities at this time so everything is speculation.
@@iliaszholdasov Jesse, Dylan, Northmoor, Alan etc are parautilitarians. They're similar to Eleven from stranger things, Chalie from Firestarter and Danny from the shining. Generally in the Steven King universe, you're born with your heightened ESP abilities. Jesse and Dylan were born that way, but Polaris trained them to use their power at a young age. Their base ability (or at least the power they knew about having) was telepathy.
okay the thing about trench, how does he know that jesse is going to take over? i don't think he killed himself. i think this is some kind of paradox just like what has been mentioned in the video, dylan's dream is not just a "dream". so when jesse is in hiss control and kill trench with the gun, she REALLY IS controlling the gun to point at trench, and shoot him in the past
There might be another explanation for Dylan's dreams which is Astral Projection or Out of body experience. Since Dylan doesn't fully understand his powers since he was young when he was taken and the FBC didn't treat him well he perceives this power as dreams. There's also another explanation of Mr.Door he isn't Hatch but a Doorman for the multiverse the reason he refused to help Dylan spread the Hiss is because a doorman is the first line of security for a building that employees one. Him telling Dylan about alternate worlds was him informing Dylan about the building he was employed by as his duty.
Personally I don't think Mr. Door is Martin Hatch. He considered himself a gate but wanted to stay humble so he settled in the name Hatch. So I don't think he would upgrade to Door. But Mr. Door could serve the role the you described while being a Shifter. That is a definate possibility. The only reason I didn't jump on that thought train is because in the last dream he was doing it in real time while wide awake. I suppose it is possible he became so adept at it that he could Astral Project while awake and conscious of his physical surroundings. The dreams are the results and Astral projection is how he does it. If we go by the hypothesis that his mind is lost hence why he is in a coma, he is currently in a state of Astral projection and his lifeline is cut.
Dude, I just realized martin hatch's name is type of door, which totally fits remedy's predilection for meaningful names. What if all shifters have last names that are a type or synonim of "door", like gate/s fence, arch and maybe in other langages too? Maybe they all draw their powers from this mr door or something. Or maybe they are all mr door, puppets or faces of a single entity, which exists as the one and many conections between different universes and or timelines
That has also been a thought for me too. That Untitled Note I referenced in this video says he chose the name because he wishes to help shift the world from one state to another and he stands between. But he doesn't see himself as a gate. To remain humble he choice something smaller for his name and settled on Hatch. Also, Mr. Door immediately reminded me of the Neil Gaiman character Door from his Novel Neverwhere who could "Open" anything. Doors yes but anything in general, even abstract things.
Played this game, got insanely hooked on the whole Control + Alan Wake lore. Stumbled upon your channel and I've been binging since! Insanely good work!
My first idea about the Mr. Door story is more meta. Dylan demonstrates that he knows that his reality is a game. So the other worlds which are side by side and on top of each other are other games, stacked in shelves. The worlds in which the cop is a story resp. real are the game "Alan Wake" and "Max Pain". Mr. Door, shifting between these worlds is the gamer, playing all of these games.
Which is entirely possible as well. I think the main thing the fanbase dug their teeth into was calling him Door and the use of the word Shifting. Because Hatch was a Shifter who existed in multiple realities. Some say that Mr. Door is Sam Lake. It really is whatever we make of it right now
I just love your content. While playing control, i always felt like i didn't really grasped the concepts and mysteries beneath the surface. You really help me to develop my understanding of the lore and it's aspects.
I'm glad I decided to look for something about the Control's lore, because I found this gem. It's exactly what I wanted to see. Very informative, well-written and interesting. Well done. I think I'll stay here for a while.
I'm glad to have you aboard! Thank you for the support, I'm glad you enjoyed my content. In the words of the great Deckard Cain, "Stay a while a listen."
Ya gotta love how remedy hinted at alan wake 2 in this game 4 years before its release and now gives us the anwser of who mr door was when Dylan mentioned him though there's still alot to learn about door
The lore to Control is strange and complex/complicated and i love it but man is it not easy to find comprehensive lore videos for it. I'm glad I found this and a few others I've seen so far of yours and plan to see afterwards. Thank you for the time taken to make this. It honestly helps me out and I already see myself as a big fan. Knowing the lore better makes me feel like a more complete fan
It really does! I always found then when going down the rabbit whole of a piece of literature it always helps us appreciate it even more. I'm glad I could help!
I hope not, Jesse is a wonderful character and Dylan hasn't exactly been a likeable character in Control. Moreover, It's actually a good change of pace to have a good written female protagonist, she feels real and human.
when you said "like switching channels on the tv" that remembered me of a document in the game where they were documenting his contaiment. he once raged and the plates of his meal or something at the tv out of nowhere and as a punishment he wouldnt be able to turn off the tv at will anymore...thinking about this after the video, he mightve been in a similar situation in where the hiss was either giving him the ability to control the perception of different realities or took it from him
For the most part I was referring to the rant that Trench had during the Nightmare sequence at the end of the game. During the second cycle he goes off on a long monologue. One line describes him receiving too much information and it was hard to focus because the channel kept changing.
One of his dreams was one he was having right then and there. He proceeds to immediately breaks the fourth wall and talks about what he’s doing, and how he’s stuck watching this all from the corner. Scared me pretty bad.
If I'm not mistaken, isn't a hatch basically a small door, often in places that we don't consider doors to be in, sure, but similar enough. Perhaps when Dylan was talking on his dreams, definitions became obscured like when Jesse talks to the board.
I'd love to learn more about this topic. Hopefully with the recent success at Remedy with this game they can negotiate for publishing rights on QB so we can tie back into this plot thread.
Very nicely done, thank you. I don't think I repeated talking to Dylan enough to hear all the dream stories, and didn't realize he would be in a coma at endgame. I wish I exhausted all dialogue when I had the chance.
I'd recommend checking youtube for all the conversations. Someone posted a video with the full thing. It's only about 13 minutes so it's a quick watch. And thank you! There was too much good info from him I wanted to give Dylan the time he deserved.
So cool replaying Control and speaking to Dylan after playing AW2 - Dylan’s Mr Door is just as Tim Breaker describes! Tim Breaker being linked to Warlin Door further confirms our suspicions of Door and Hatch being synonymous too!
Been waiting to watch this video all day and I have to say fascinating stuff as always! I never even thought of the possibility that Mr Door could be a different Shifter. I instantly thought it was Martin either going by a different name or Dylan's psychosis effecting his speech into thinking that was his name, but it was really 'Hatch' since a 'Hatch' is basically a form of 'Door' after all. Plus I never thought about how Dylan and Jesse might actually be the same person, that's a really interesting theory, especially since The Board themselves acknowledge them together. Damn, the lore for this game never ceases to surprise me. Sam Lake really outdid himself with this masterpiece.
Sam is an incredible writer and he's an inspiration for me. The name Hatch was chosen by him as Martin thought of himself as a gate between two states of the world that he was trying to shift. But being humble he wanted a smaller thing to represent him so he settled on a Hatch instead. I'm just curious if Mr. Door is intended to have the same naming theme as Hatch if we go by the theory they are Shifters or if it is in reference to a Character named Door in Neil Gaiman's book Neverwhere. She could literally open Doors to anything. Physical or Abstract. I didn't mention this because it was not relevant to the thesis of this video but when Dylan said, he was in a Dark Place and he met a Dark Man there my immediate thought was the meeting with Mr. Door was in the literal Dark Place threshold where Alan was trapped in. But it's too ambiguous to jump on that train of thought. Trust me we haven't seen the last of weird stuff in Control. I came across some new info on Thursday that floored me. Something I missed entirely and adds a whole new layer to everything in the story. But we'll have to wait a couple weeks until I get there lol. Take it easy man!
My theory is that in the AWE exoansion Dylan wakes up hiss-free with his powers still remaining (though be it a bit less powerful) and is being contacted by Alan Wake as a call for help; The board obviously see Dylan as an immediate threat and give Jesse orders to eliminate/fire him and sending goons after them, Jesse will not obey and they will go to try help Alan...
During the Mr. Door dream Dylan does say he was in a Dark Place. If he wants referring to the actual Dark Place threshold I would lose my mind lol. I'm so curious to see what happens when he wakes up. If we go by my hypothesis that Dylan's consciousness is lost right now, we could argue that in a coma his mind was travelling around and seeing all kinds of things. Maybe even Alan. I think a nice healthy balance would be that while sleeping he can mentally travel but no longer do It while awake. Like of like the Knights in the Word and the Void trilogy. Basically when they slept they lived a potential future where they failed in a present day conflict and had to live through a world created by their failures. And upon waking they had the knowledge from that future reality to fight the war happening now and prevent that future from occurring.
@@GamingUniversityUoG oooooh, that could bring some *really* intresting stuff with the "not being able to change the future , we can ONLY be prepared for it" massege that quantum break was going for without getting in legal trouble with actually directly refering to QB ( xbox still owns that ip). They could use Alan's writing to battle "fate" and actually change the future. And Im sure the board would really hate that.
That's the essence of my theory. Just in a more chaotic way. Paul at least could choose which path to go down in his visions. For Dylan I see it as his mind randomly switches channels between them. The mind can't really handle it. I remember Trench using that line of the, 'channels changing too fast' when he was ranting in Jesse's Hiss Dream.
I love that it gives us some form of timeline between the end of the story and where we are at Foundation. Plus it proves the Hiss makes you go bald... one of the greatest mysteries of science solved haha.
Mr. Hatch is definitely Mr. Door. Remedy wanted to bring him (Lance Reddick) back for Alan Wake 2 but sadly he passed away before they could bring him on board. He’s even mentioned in the credits of the game.
@8:10 - I desperately want to see the "Night Springs" logo on this TV. lol After this, and reading some comments, I'm convinced Jesse/Dylan were once one person who, when split, halved their parautilian power as well as their sanity. (I don't think Jesse is 'completely' there.)
I could totally do that too if I tried lol. I'm bad at graphic art and photoshopping but I could give it a shot. The only wrinkle In the theory is Jesse acknowledging that Dylan is a year younger. But all the other evidence suggests they were at one point the same person. I think we need more information to say for sure.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I could give it a go too, as I love working in photoshop, but I don't think I could do it without it looking awful hahaha lighting is hard as it is, but CRT effects are a whole other level. Yeah, def nothing certain right now. Though I wonder, do we have any imperical (emperical?) evidence? Or just simply what Jesse and Dylan have said?
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh I meant what evidence we might have of them being biologically siblings - like a photo of their family, or any kind of notes pre-Ordinary AWE; that sort of thing.
Oh gotcha. Yeah really the only evidence is they said they are. We know the FBC went through public records of Ordinary since they noted Hugo wasn't there. I'd imagine they would have figured out one of them isn't in the city records.
At first she wants to use them to help her find Dylan. So she consciously doesn't so as to avoid making them her enemy. By the time she finds him, she needs their help to figure out what is wrong with him. And by the end I think she has accepted them.
Now that we have the announcement of Alan Wake 2, and considering the theory that Dylan’s “dreams” are actually glimpses into other realities… does this mean he could possibly peer into the Dark Place? Maybe he could be how the FBC or even Jesse herself could have a role in Alan Wake 2 👀
What about the part of the president welcoming the hiss (trench turning on the projector and the hiss coming) into the world and everyone started welcoming it?
I believe I mentioned the one where the Hiss spread throughout the world. Essentially, saying this was a potential reality if Jesse failed. At least that is my take.
Should have used Corridor's of Time instead of Frog's Theme at the end since we are talking about dreams and realities. "All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu." Great video.
Haha you're the first to notice my music choice at the end. Frog was my Hero in that game and I loved his song. But honestly you're probably right about using Corridors of Time due to the theme of the content.
Both Dylan and Jesse are treated like Objects of Power (perhaps even two halves of one OoP), by the Bureau, Board, and Hiss. The Bureau "acquired" Dylan, gave him a designation (P6), and immediately began testing and monitoring. When he killed several people trying to escape they treated him exactly like they always do for uncontrollable Objects of Power and Altered Items, they locked him away in the panopticon to be monitored and placated. Jesse running away they took as an opportunity to have a "control group" during testing so they could measure her progress, development, and response to stress against Dylan's. They clearly knew both Jesse and Dylan had powers as several times during the game you hear that OOPs and Altered Items react differently to Jesse and Dylan than they do for other users so they were probably testing the utility of Dylan with different objects as part of their experiments. (for example, the floppy disk that they could barely use aside from one redacted example). Basically Jesse and Dylan are OoPs that can bring out the full potential of other OoPs and/or Altered Items and they intended to bind and utilize them with the Board/Bureau as a whole being their users. So if they are OoPs, then Dylan not being fully taken over and altered like a human makes sense. Just like they corrupted other OoPs and spread the powers amongst their hoard, they corrupted Dylan and spread his/Jesse's ability to enhance OoPs, as well. This let the Hiss use levitation, dodge, and telekinesis to a similar level and in a similar way to how Jesse herself uses it. If they are OoPs then they also have a constant connection to the Astral Plane and that would probably explain both Jesse and Dylan having dreams that seem to predict events or show other realities.
If he and jesse were the same person then there would be a possibility for them to merge back, and combine their powers to become the ultimate vegito-like super-director.
@@piratetv1 that is what she said? Could be that all about her or her brother are false memories. A way for her to pretend be normal, to not be fully aware of her own nature and of the true lack that his brother's absense is. Honestly, anything is possible with this crazy multiverse.
She does refer to him as her little brother. That is the only wrinkle I'm trying to figure out. One thing I think is relevant is that Hugo, one of the boys in Tom's gang back in Ordinary, could not be found in public records. This combined with Jesse remembering Thomas Zane. In a Manuscript page in AW:AN, Alan says only those touched by the powers that re-write reality are aware of the changes to reality. This would be the only explanation for Jesse remembering Zane. Going by this logic there is a lot more that happened in the Ordinsty AWE than we know. It's possible Hugo was from another timeline or parallel reality. By extension is it possible that Dylan and Jesse are too? I have a weird feeling this is a Lutece Twin situation from Bioshock Infinite where Jesse and Dylan are the same person from different parallel realities that during the AWE, crossed over and met. In one, the child was born male, in the other, female. Nothing but circumstantial speculation but it would be interesting.
@@GamingUniversityUoG this is amazing. I love the lutece theory, they could be the same person but born a year apart in different realities. Until i heard Dylans dreams i wondered why her name is spelled like mine. Everyone tries to put an " i " in my name. Jesse could be either but Jessie definitely Jessica and always a girls name
Just found the channel, great content!! So, I'm confused by Dylan's apparent powers. I thought in Control, paranauts bound Objects Of Power to themselves, that in turn granted them abilities depending on the object. Jesse has numerous powerful abilities because the Director seems to be able to bind any number of OOP to themselves. However, I don't remember anything mentioning Dylan ever binding any OOP to himself. It was stated that Dylan was as suitable a candidate for Director as Jesse, however before she begins collecting OOP Jesse is functionally powerless. Therefor, I would assume that part of this "suitability" refers to some capacity for binding OOP and/or numerous OOP. You could assumed that his powers are granted from his connection to the HISS, however in the documents that reference his declining mental state, it states that Dylan killed a bureau employee in an apparent rage, which he refers to as an accident in one of the recorded interviews. This occurred before his contact with the HISS. While it doesn't specifically state that Dylan used paranatural abilities to kill the employee, that's what I infer from it. I suppose it's possible that Dylan just shanked the poor guy or something, but it just didn't feel like that was what was being implied (I also don't know how that could be interpreted as an "accident" in any light). I recognize the possibility that finding/binding the OOP are just part of the metroidvania gameplay loop in Control, but it seems like a game that goes out of it's way to exhaustively provide explanations for everything in the game. Does anyone have an idea of the source of his abilities? or possibly something in the game that explains his situation?
For Jesse and other Parautalitarians yes OoPs are bound to them which allows then to harness the energies that are attached it them. For Dylan, I feel like it wasn't an OoP which allowed him to see things this way. Just like trench when he was ranting in Jesse's mind mentioned that his brain like moving too fast like someone was changing the channel too quickly. I feel the Hiss affected Dylan in a similar way. Except he could remain sane unlike Trench who lost it. Dylan appears to be witnessing multiple realities, timelines, alternate histories and his mind rationalizes it by having different dreams. Thanks for commenting! I'm glad you enjoy the weirdness that I out out there lol.
But wait, did anyone notice that interaction with Dylan at the very very end? I think its only on playstation, but once you've finished everything (Shumi, Foundation, Alan Wake etc) and while you're wearing the cat ears, you can go to the left of the glass and there's an interaction button. Jesse does that thing where she touches the glass and we see Dylan in that black astral world suddenly wake up, followed by a quick succession of images (hiss infected world, a strange stone well, a desert etc). Might be something to look into.
There is still a lot of debate on this topic. Personally, Jesse was a person of her own before everything and Alan temporarily cast her in his story for the purposes of helping him
I've officially gotten every single trophy including DLCs. First time ive ever done that lol. I have all abilities, all uniforms including cat ears, all weapon forms upgraded to max, every single mission and side mission completed . love this game
It’s worth noting that Dylan likely still has a connection to the Hiss. After completion of either the Foundation or AWE DLC, if you approach the wall of Dylan's cell his head is at, Jesse will touch the glass and have a vision. In the vision, Dylan is standing in a negative space and there are a series of either 2 or 3 blink-and-you-miss-it images that also has the Hiss inksplash. The only image you can clearly recognize (and may be intentional) is a view of New York, implying the Hiss very much wants to get out.
Just played through QB and at some point noticed some graffiti with the letters "AWE". I'm not sure why it was in the game or what it refers to. Does the whole event in QB count as an AWE? It is 'altered' by humans, thus it does not count as an AWE? Perhaps it's referring to the shifters and/or Martin's natural teleportation? Maybe it refers to something else entirely? Maybe it's just some graffiti and I shouldn't look for a deeper meaning 😅? Any thoughts on this? Keep up the amazing videos!
It really comes down to semantics. I would absolutely consider time travel as an Altered World Event but Jungian energies didn't make an OoP or Altered Item like they do in all of Control. It is purely science. The AWE is also on the Riverport University chalkboard and has two acronyms. Altered World Events and Alan Wake Experience. Frankly, I have no clue how relevant it is. It's possible students who took the class did it after studying AWE in relation to Alan, a shifter could have done it, or it could be smoke signals from Alan being sent out trying to find help. In AW:AN he did say he had sent out distress calls before but had no clue how effective they were. There really isnt enough information right now.
I only started playing control recently and am almost done awe is it possible Mr Door/hatch is the person in the motel mentioned in awe or is Dylan posbly dreaming of Mr door as the motel it might be due to his psychosis?
He is likely perceiving another reality, alternate timeline, future event, etc. It is hard to say because it feels like Dylan is breaking the 4th wall literally and his visions of this are perceived as dreams. As far as Hatch and Mr. Door goes, I'm not sure to be honest. Remedy doesn't have the publishing rights to the characters in Quantum Break so if they are the same person we won't know for a while.
I think Dylan is Jesse's shadow self. The self she's afraid of becoming due to corruption from the powers. I might be over simplifying a few things, but Jesse is the director of The Old House. I believe this is symbolic of consciousness. She's in control. And the game itself is her physically gaining back control of her own consciousness. The Oldest House is a nap of her Psyche, and her brother is a memory of something she did that was really bad, and to not take on all the blame of the lives lost, he was manifested. Maybe into real life even. But I still think (because we never leave the house in game) we are just Astralnauting Jesse's psyche (her conscious, subconscious, as well as her ability to enter OTHERS psyche (telepathy) like Alan Wakes. That's why we never "meet" him, we're inside his head with him. Just a theory.
If we go off the assumption Dylon is a projection of Jesse's psyche, I think it would be more fitting if he were her Animus not the Shadow. But again there are thematic comparisons that don't necessarily have to be a literal lore thing.
I really like to think Mr door is Hatch himself. In one of his notes in QB he says that he doesn’t view himself as a gate but something smaller like a hatch and hence the name Martian Hatch and a door is in the same ball park
Mr. Door is Martin Hatch, much like Alex Casey IS Max Payne, because they do not own these properties anymore, they have to use placeholders. It's why Sam Lake still plays Casey in the Alan Wake II teaser in Quantum Break. I'm sure, were they to still own these products, they'd simply use the names we know them to be, or symbolize.
My big hope is that since Rockstar is letting Remedy do remakes of Max Payne 1 and 2 that we will get more tie ins for that IP. Quantum Break being owned by Microsoft doesn't sound likely though
They did say he had Northmoor level readings. I'm not sure how powerful that director was but Dylan is definately high up there in the spectrum of Parautalitarians.
@@GamingUniversityUoG If we assume "Northmoor levels" are extremely high - but Darling is saying he has more potential it makes me circle back to the idea of Jesse/Dylan. It's reasonable to think that if they are one who is split in two, their power was halved as well.
I wonder if Remedy was planning to let the player choose whether they want to play as Dylan and Jesse and depending which one they choose, their role in the story would have been switched.
That would have been cool. I know in a previous Remedy game, Quantum Break, it was intended to have multiple playable characters but it never made it into the final game. It would be fun to see things from Dylan's perspective though.
Honestly, the fact that he was raised on the show that is the only collectable I REFUSE to watch is astounding. He needs some help. Especially from his sister.
I think Trench represents the old school dark and tortured protagonist with a moral code but unable to move on from his past this is why they gave him Max Payne voice , and this is why in the first part of the song "take control" we have in the lyrics : "No deeper madness than your own making ...Visions lashing blades of shame, but will you take the blame?" and .... "I missed the moment before the fall to recognise I had a voice" The fall of Max Payne ? Dylan and Jesse represent the two facets of the players mentality , Dylan represent the player who was infected by the violence in video games and didn't understand the true meaning of Max Pain 1 and 2 , In my opinion the worlds "side by side on top of each others" that Dylan was talking about are games in console or PC desktop so Dylan the gamer infected by the hiss/violence want to bring violence to other worlds/games that's explain why Dylan can know the future because when you play the game for the second time you already know the story ... Jesse in the other hand is the player who care for the story ; the characters and the exploration , a player who instead of enjoying chaos and violence is here to bring order and peace .
I haven't finished the Max Payne games yet so I'm not sure how much input I can give, but I can definately see the comparisons to Max and Trench. Not just the same VA but even their story. Wife and child dead sending him spiraling off.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Max Payne 1 & 2 are a part of the vision of Sam Lake , and not just the game even the Poets of Fall music videos of "Late Goodbye" that describe Max Payne story and "Dream you wild awake" and "War" are connected to Alan Wake ... If you notice in the music video ""Late Goodbye" we can see a moth chasing the light and after we see the moth resting on a woman picture like the woman in that music video represent the light that the hero can't abandon and because he can't let it go he is drawn into the darkness fighting an endless battle he could never win just like what Sankarin Tango song said ... In the music video "War" it ends with Alan Wake branding signal torch that the red light remind me of the Hiss ... I know all of this makes no sense and I don't want to convince anyone it's just how I see it ^^ Thank you and keep up the good work !
So if remedy universe is connected to our actual universe as well, could sam lake be mr door? I remember him in a scene from alan wake and i thought maybe if he is in the game he could be important. I also think that Mr. Door is the embodiment of the Oceanview Motel, as we found out earlier from the foundation that Ahti caused the tv to become paranatural. So i believe that Mr. Door somehow caused the motel to become paranatural. I think Sam Lake might be Mr. Door, as he is part of the Remedy-verse and ours.
I have heard that theory that Sam is Mr. Door. It wouldn't surprise me if he did something like that. At the very least we can presume this Mr. Door can travel between the Remedy multiverse.
I wonder if Jesse and Dylan were a Shifter, with the Ordinary AWE separating their possibilities. After all, if each game is a timeline, then maybe the slide projector was used as part of research on how to create these thresholds.
Tbh dylan is just dreaming about alans failed rewrites. thats the only thing that makes sense to me. remember alan can always write out what he wants them to do but he cant force it, especially if it doesnt fit the characters ideals. alan messed up with jesse dylan; he didnt give him a conflict. so he wrote out trench, and he split jesse and dylan. made them interchangable just in case (remember his unisexual names comment). and them faded them into his screenplay. the first line in a script is FADE IN. sooo....enter jesse FAYDEN. ahti is his editor. his clean up guy, making sure the story doesnt mess up. he was there to make sure she touched the service weapon and started her arc proper. nothing more. with dylan, hed already be director, so there was no motivation and the storyline would ruin. dylan was there to POWER the story along now. hes the pensioner. ahti is waaay more revealing if you listen carefully. he tries to tell you alans plan without messing up the current arc. Fun fact: ahti's vacation is him trying to make it to alan wake 2 in time lol. if you watch the new extended gameplay footage the bastard is on stage singing at a karaoke bar! LOL "you are a copy of a copy of a copy." Dylan is actually just fine. The dreams are real. Also, its not a board of directors. Let me iron this one out: The (Story) Board The Oldest (Publishing) House The (Story) Foundation The (Story) Threshold (meaning the hero has committed to the journey) The Hiss (Critics, possibly Mr Scratch) Polaris (the North Star, aka story beats, exposition) Jesse is the FIRST story to end to alans liking. His journey is actually JUST starting. Liken this to Loki on Disney plus. Kang wanted to control everything, so he made the TVA. Alan did the same with the FBC. and it worked. but why NY? why not bright falls?? now THERES a video!
I always thought the "ambigous gender" comment was in regards to how during early story dev they probably didnt have a hard decision on the genders of the protagonist and antagonist lol
This may be my Bioshock fandom coming out but I always looked at it like the Lutece Twins from Infinite. Technically they are the same person but clearly different at the same time. I can't wait to figure out what's the deal with this question.
Writing from the future where Mr. Door invites SAM LAKE on his talkshow (in Alan Wake 2). Calling him by his name, "Sam Lake", as the actor who portrays Alex Casey. Thus proving the theory that Mr. Door knows about the real world, the games, Remedy, maybe even these theory videos on TH-cam or discussion on Reddit, lol :P Now that's Meta!
Concerning Mr. Door, my guess is that either Sam Lake or Jack Joyce is meant. QUANTUM BREAK SPOILERS AHEAD: - - - - - - If I remember right, Mr. Hatch explicitly writes that he's not a door but content with being something smaller, a hatch... At the end of Quantum Break, after (hopefully) repairing time, we see Jack shift away (and Hatch also named him when he was talking about other shifters earlier.) Jack has ambition and at least plans to get Beth back, and as we see in the interview that's in the background of the whole game, he seems to be able to retain a single personality after he most likely turned into a shifter. I can't imagine Jack just stopping to do things, shifter or not, so he can very well be Mr. Door. Sam Lake, well, almost everything in the Remedyverse is his creation, so he's the ultimate creator and sees more than anybody else. It's also strange how there are close to zero hints on Quantum Break in Control. There is that picture where Jesse seems to speak to Beth, Mr. Door and I think that's it. But well, we know "the waves are both Wilder and more Serene..."!
Agreed! I believe Mr. Door is some form of shifter just because of the diction that Dylan uses when describing him and the nature of the worlds. I'm curious if Dark Man refers to the Sam Lake/Max Payne imagery or something else. He did specify Dark Place and dark man which could refer to Alan or something else. It's so vague it is hard to say. But this wouldnt be the first time that Sam Included himself into the story. I'm really curious what happened with jack. Which choice he made.
4:27 Given the new sneak peak of Alan wake 2 at Summer Games Fest, could remedy have hinted at their plans for Alan Wake 2? A writer who writes about a cop yet she exists in another world seems to apply well
Mr Door might not be a shifter at all. It might be a personified description of the Ocean View Casino and Motel. It's main feature is its doors marked with different symbols. The Hiss haven't been able to use the motel to circumvent the lockdown, even though that's clearly possible. If nothing else it could send the Hiss from the oldest house to Butte. Maybe the Hiss aren't capable of using the motel, dream navigation may be beyond them. However it could also mean the motel is refusing to cooperate with them, just like Dylan describes Mr Door doing. That was my theory when playing the game although that's partly because I've never played quantum break.
Looks like I'm a bit late with this one! I'm not totally convinced on the Jesse/Dylan being one theory, although the Board's last message does lend more weight to it. I actually like the idea (and I think the community does too), though the fact they are separate ages makes it seem unlikely. I liked Dylan's character, hoping we see more of him in the future.
I'm with you. I'm not 100% sure. The Board's words don't necessary prove it as they say things they consider to be symbolically similar. Still it's a fun though.
I'm not at all knowledgable enough on Jung to be sure of this idea, but perhaps Jesse is the Ego, and Dylan is the Shadow, which split from the "self" that was Jesse Dylan Faden...?
That is definately one possibility. This would require Dylan to be the personification of her ID and Darker impulses. It's also possible that Jesse is the Anima and Dylan is the Animus, the masculine and feminine aspects of the psyche. But this is of we go by a purely Jungian interpretation. We will have to see! The AWE dlc can't get here fast enough.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I need to read more Jung. That Anima and Animus possibility sounds very plausible as a direction they could head. I agree The AWE can't be here soon enough at all. Thank ya'll so much for making these!
Check out Max Derrat's channel for some good Jung info. He is currently doing a chapter by chapter analysis of Jung's Aion and has a video on the Anima/Animus. He also does similar stuff to me but for the Silent Hill series.
Did not get to see the interaction with 4th dream of Dylan after the game. Could it also be possible that the 4th dream is also related with the upcoming expansion pack AWE, thus, Alan Wake ? Edit: I wrote it when I paused at the 4th dream explanation and got my answer right off the bat thereafter :). I got to say that I believe Control is a very underrated but an amazing game for its fan base. Love the content and the train of thoughts your bringing to the table :)
For the whole game I thought Jesse wasn't real or it was in a dream. At the end we get proof that she is a sick woman in the audio log with the therapist. I don't know what to think. When I finished the game I was like "what? So this is real? The oldest house and everything is real? I'm really the director then? = Confused
Yes it all is real. That scene with a therapist, in my opinion, is a bureau operative/scientist posing as the doctor in order to extract information from her.
@@GamingUniversityUoG But is it your opinion or is it what Remedy wanted you to believe? I'm still confused about this game. When you spend 15 hours rationalizing everything to make sense of the story and at the end, everything paranormal was real, I think it broke something inside my head.
You know, your point of what happened to Dylan and why he is comatose, just got me thinking of Darling. Like, what really happened to Darling? There wasn't a body, so did he just transport himself to another dimension?? Maybe the game answered that and I just didn't see it, but I just want know where did he go??
We don't really know where darling went. I think it is implied he ascended to a higher tier of reality. He makes mention of David Bowman and the Monolith in reference to himself. In 2001: A Space Odyssey, the story begins with the Monolith assisting an Ape into the evolution to Man. The story ends with David Bowman being aided in evolving into the Star Child. So I think it is fair to assume Darling ascended to the next stage of evolution or higher tier of reality.
@@Kevin-fj5oe Now there's been some debate on that. I honestly just think it's just the name "Jesse" being echoed with a slight delay, but "Jesse, get me" would have been more intriguing =).
Can you explain with a video of the whole concept of control, what actually happened, did she really come to the bureau or was she already there as P6. How did she become the director instantly. Like so many questions???
Definitely an intentional allusion. Whether it connects the characters is a mystery. Might be another shifter or just the writers knowing we would catch it and want us to think something.
Ay, got to watch it. One thing I think could effect your theory is that the fact that Quantum Break isn't owned by Remedy. I had the thought it was Ahti, as you've said "Janitor" means "gatekeeper", which a gate is in relation of a door, hence "Mr. Door". Why he changed his name, I don't know. Maybe Ahti is like a cover, and he could in fact be several different people in different timelines/worlds (I do hope Alan is in the same world and reality, and it not being a multiverse for the two characters. However, if Alan wrote Jesse, she would be like Alex Casey... But it makes you wonder, why was Zane able to create Alan in the same universe? Is it because he's already in another dimension and hence can place a story in the main continuum?) If Remedy somehow gets Quantum Break back, though their premises are very different (perhaps shifters are paranormal happenings, as I don't think their creation is explained?), it would be interesting. Though I don't see a sequel, tying elements in like shifter (also notice how the Bureau's suits are similar to Monarch's - perhaps they supply them?) would work, since they use technology extensively in the FBC, sci-fi heavy things like Quantum Break would work into the universe, but the tech would be more of a side note to the paranormal, as they use tech and the paranormal for their own good. Sorry that was huge. I have more thoughts, but I think that's good for now haha
Yeah maybe it is just my wishful thinking but I hope Microsoft and Remedy can work something out. There is already enough Alan Wake 2 and Control connections in Quantum break that letting that whole universe go to waste would be... well a waste. I can only imagine if Emily Pope and William Joyce got into a lab together.
That's interesting though since Martin Hatch said he didn't want to call himself a Gate because he wanted to remain humble. So instead he chose the name Hatch. I also thinks its amusing considering Lance Reddick was in Lost and there was a Hatch in there too.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I personally didn't play Quantum Break, so I don't have too much of a connection to it, though it looks very interesting. If they do get the IP back (Remedy), then I can see it initializing the more realistic side of the universe, establishing deals and technological advancements in the world. If they do get it back, if not a sequel, they'll make universal connections I'm sure.
I would definately check it out as it's on steam right now. It is not as esoteric as Control & Alan Wake but it's a great experience. Without giving away any spoilers there is an event that is supposed to happen in 2021 in Quantum Break lore that has the fanbase excited about next year for some information to be released. Frankly I don't think we'll see anything but yeah. It would also be amusing considering Dylan's actor plays a guy named Nick Marsters and Jesse's actress is one of the main characters named Beth Wilder. Getting them in a room together would be priceless lol.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I would honestly play it... If only I had an Xbox or a PC... I'll watch a playthrough though. Is that "exciting event" easy to find, or is it a hidden? I'm honestly interested in that, sounds like it could be a augmented reality game. And yeah, seeing some characters, especially played by the same people, interacting with others would definitely be interesting. I wonder how Dr. Darling and Alan would act to each other, probably throw in a joke or two.
Interesting that when Jesse "takes control" Dylan falls asleep. It is easy to forget that Jesse is there to save Dylan, not herself, and what is her fear of failure but her fear of being a failure to Dylan. Dylan being the only character, apart from perhaps Ahti and Alan Wake, who is neither in the "Hiss Nightmare", or the "Hedron Nightmare". Dylan perhaps lived in the "Real Nightmare" which for him is worse than both. Both Ahti and Dylan manage to be there in with Jesse in both the Hiss office dream and the Hedron faction control staff "consensus". Although, the Hedron device wearing control staff seem to hate Dylan like the Hiss dream control staff hated Jesse. All this leads me to the idea that Jesse is a saviour figure conjured from Dylan's imagination. Trapped in his cage, Dylan has limited material to work from. Childhood memories, the research staff, guards, perhaps the director visits. Perhaps the most normal and kind face would be the janitor assigned to clean his room. People who lived in mental institutions sometimes talk about how the only people who treated them decently, like actual humans, were the cleaners. Seeing the vision of Jesse being stuck in the boring world of the office, then snapping and killing the director would be like a beautiful revenge fantasy to Dylan. If he were to write a story, he could be expected to write it this way.
I have a feeling Dylan is Jessie's "Scratch" possibly in the same vein as Alan's shadow in that Scratch is the embodiment of all the things he doesn't like about himself or denies...Dylan may be the reality of the system she is taking part in, the thing that she both is a victim of and wants to change and fix. Jessie is the part of him that wants to change the system that they have inhereted while Dylan is the part of Jessie that wants to destroy it and burn it to the ground for what it did to him against the cost of what that leaves open. I think as the games go forward Dylan will be a continuing antagonist. He will wake up in the next game and yet again seek the power to destroy the Oldest House because even if Jessie is in charge...she isn't in Control and what the Oldest House is still disgusts her even if she wants to make it better.
This theory was soo good! But I'm too stupid to understand, why this game is harder than my physics lessons? 😂 Just one simple question, does Polaris still live in Dylan? Thank you in advance!
Haha thank you! Trust me science always makes more sense than these Abstract mechanisms. In terms of Polaris I honestly couldn't say. I'd imagine she is in some capacity but probably not probably not that strong. I guess it is possible the only reason he wasn't torn apart when Jesse cleansed him is because of Polaris. The other Hiss Agents were shown to die during this process.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yes! I thought that moment too! Since you also saw several clues about Control 2, where could I find those clues, other than the door sign in Motel? Or maybe if the clues are too much to write, you could make a video about Control 2 signs 😄😍
re: those first two dreams, it is noteworthy that we, the player, only meet and take control of Jesse at the height of the hiss outbreak *within* the Oldest House. Other than the Bureau's physical observations, there is no evidence that she was ever *really* outside the Oldest House. Add to this the Threshold Kids' (emphasis on the plurality) inclusion of both a boy and a girl living at the Oldest House, and it seems implied that Dylan is definitely much *closer* to the "truth" than Jesse. Or perhaps sitting around hiss-infected individuals and hearing them out instead of shattering them all the time has made me biased...
We jokingly are saying that Mr. Door is Sam Lake haha. Since he is kind of a character in the story between all the promotional material where he gets kidnapped by Mr. Scratch and his appearance in Alan Wake. But yeah Hatch is likely related to it in some way.
The AWE dlc opens after Brothers Keeper. That one I say do it alongside your regular Main story quest. Foundation only triggers after the game is done. That is where you get Shape.
I would weirdly like to see Max Payne, Alan Wake, Jesse Faden, and that one guy from Quantum break banning together as a group. Just a strange group. What would their name be even called?
If all of them got together it would be one crazy day lol. I'm just imagining then at a bar swapping war stories while the bartender is listening in and scared
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IF Dylan did have a psychosis, it was brought on by watching those terrifying 'Threshold Kids' shows as a boy
That sould not surprise me at all. Who thought that showing that to a child was a good idea.
@@GamingUniversityUoG people disconnected from reality who live in a world where wonders and horrors are the norm. They honestly had no business raising a child.
But the intro song to Threshold Kids is so good!!1!!1
NO INTERRUPTIONS!!
@inovade it is said in documents that the show was explicitly made to teach paranatural concepts and ideas as well as how those paranatural objects and events function to a younger mind in a more fun way obviously for Dylan as they only had one child in custody and we're actively trying to keep paranatural occurrences out of the public eye
Literally all I want from a Control sequel is for Dylan to wake up and get some damn sympathy after everything he's seen and been through. The Bureau literally ruined his entire life and I felt so sorry for him the entire time.
Imagine being forced to watch Threshold Kids and treated like a labrat your whole life. No wonder he has issues. I fully expect a redemption arc for him. Looking forward to it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I want this so badly. I've just recently beaten he ultimate edition (sadly not realizing I can update the FPS for my PS5) and I want a 3rd dlc. I love the lore and world of this game.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Remedy will pull a Metal Gear Solid 2 and there'll be a sequel in which, inexplicably, we control Director Dylan.
It ruined both siblings lives, really. The Bureau treated both kids not like people, but like Objects of Power to be studied, controlled, and eventually bound and utilized. They had looked at it like having two of the same OOP so they had the opportunity to run two different simultaneous experiments and it resulted in two very broken people incapable of living in normal society.
Dylan was locked up in the Bureau and treated like a lab rat. Even his name was stripped from him and he was instead referred to as P6. His every move was monitored and controlled and revolved around nightmarish experiments (I think Threshold Kids was an example of a psychological experiment to see how he could/would handle traumatic information and visuals as a test to see how worthy he was of being a directorial candidate). When this caused him to lash out and kill one of the people experimenting on him, they restricted him even further, causing him to break completely and attempt to escape. After that they judged him to be too difficult to control and locked him away with the other Altered Items and OoPs in the Panopticon and turned their attention fully to Jesse.
With Jesse they purposefully left a traumatized 10 year old all alone with no support, home, or clue of what to do as a twisted "control group" to measure Dylan's progress and abilities against. They followed and spied on her for her entire life, ensuring she doubted her own sanity and safety and that she would never be able to settle down and become normal. They wanted to see how these two "Objects of Power" would develop and how differently they'd react to stress tests. If they were actually one child, originally, they might also have wanted to see how and if stress placed on one child would affect the other. The P7 room shows they were gearing up to "acquire" their missing OoP to replace Dylan.
It would be even better if he could be an agent we can play that can cross the different realities. That would be fun.
You may be onto something with Dylan and Jessie being the same person. They mention they were inseparable as kids. There's a recording of Dylan mentioning that Jessie always wanted to go out on her own. One of the slides seemed to be able to make this sort of thing happen, like that kid that wanted to be a dog, became a dog, or Jessie wishing the adults would just go away, and they did. Perhaps "Jessie Dylan Faden" wished to be able to separate from another side of themselves?
Reminds me of beyond two souls.
"You're a copy of a copy of a copy!"
Anyone notice? After the foundation, his hair is growing back
I just noticed this earlier this morning when I went to record that little bit in there. I think it is kind of cool. It gives us a little timeline between the end of the main game and the Foundation.
What? No! uhhhh.
I lost my save-file and have to start over completely - - which means I have to burn through the entire game and all it's extra content again before AWE Drops :'(
But I guess seeing this haircut is my goal lol
Yes! They have been in the oldest house on lockdown for some time.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Hiss corruption is actually the cause of his baldness. Notice how none of the enemies have any hair? It was a line of dialogue between 2 random NPCs in the Executive Sector. IIRC Pope mentioned it too.
Did anyone see the new cutscene recently?
Dylan wasn't killed by the hiss possibly because of his power, possibly because the hiss wanted him alive. The hiss didn't kill Trench. Trench killed himself when Jesse was close enough to the office to take over control of the FBC. Trench and Darling didn't allow Dylan to become director because he couldn't control his power and hurt people, but the hiss still had a use for him.
I guess it is kind of like the Dark Presence. It did not turn Alan or Rose into Taken because it could make use of them. Instead it just touched them. Same with Cynthia weaver I believe.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I don't get what is the source of Dylan's and Northmoor's powers (btw, are you planning to do a video on Northmoor?). One has to bind an OoP to have paranatural abilities, right? That would mean that the Board controls all of it. Or can you be born with these abilities or develop them naturally?
For starters not just everyone can be bound or make use or OoPs or have any form of power. Only Parautalitarians. There is also stronger and weaker ones. Norrhmoor, Dylan, and Jesse are odd the charts while people like Clay Steward and some FBC personelle are very weak. Alan and Dr. Tokui were on that spectrum somewhere.
They haven't specified what causes Parautalitarian abilities at this time so everything is speculation.
@@iliaszholdasov Jesse, Dylan, Northmoor, Alan etc are parautilitarians. They're similar to Eleven from stranger things, Chalie from Firestarter and Danny from the shining. Generally in the Steven King universe, you're born with your heightened ESP abilities. Jesse and Dylan were born that way, but Polaris trained them to use their power at a young age. Their base ability (or at least the power they knew about having) was telepathy.
okay the thing about trench, how does he know that jesse is going to take over? i don't think he killed himself. i think this is some kind of paradox
just like what has been mentioned in the video, dylan's dream is not just a "dream". so when jesse is in hiss control and kill trench with the gun, she REALLY IS controlling the gun to point at trench, and shoot him in the past
There might be another explanation for Dylan's dreams which is Astral Projection or Out of body experience. Since Dylan doesn't fully understand his powers since he was young when he was taken and the FBC didn't treat him well he perceives this power as dreams. There's also another explanation of Mr.Door he isn't Hatch but a Doorman for the multiverse the reason he refused to help Dylan spread the Hiss is because a doorman is the first line of security for a building that employees one. Him telling Dylan about alternate worlds was him informing Dylan about the building he was employed by as his duty.
Personally I don't think Mr. Door is Martin Hatch. He considered himself a gate but wanted to stay humble so he settled in the name Hatch. So I don't think he would upgrade to Door. But Mr. Door could serve the role the you described while being a Shifter.
That is a definate possibility. The only reason I didn't jump on that thought train is because in the last dream he was doing it in real time while wide awake. I suppose it is possible he became so adept at it that he could Astral Project while awake and conscious of his physical surroundings. The dreams are the results and Astral projection is how he does it. If we go by the hypothesis that his mind is lost hence why he is in a coma, he is currently in a state of Astral projection and his lifeline is cut.
Remember, some brains are better at different things :)
spot on after Alan Wake 2!
Can’t wait for the Remedy verse super crossover game! You know it’s coming in one form or another.
The first crossover event is launching on August 27th! Make sure to pick up the AWE dlc that day!
Remedy Super Smash Siblings?
Dude, I just realized martin hatch's name is type of door, which totally fits remedy's predilection for meaningful names. What if all shifters have last names that are a type or synonim of "door", like gate/s fence, arch and maybe in other langages too? Maybe they all draw their powers from this mr door or something. Or maybe they are all mr door, puppets or faces of a single entity, which exists as the one and many conections between different universes and or timelines
That has also been a thought for me too. That Untitled Note I referenced in this video says he chose the name because he wishes to help shift the world from one state to another and he stands between. But he doesn't see himself as a gate. To remain humble he choice something smaller for his name and settled on Hatch.
Also, Mr. Door immediately reminded me of the Neil Gaiman character Door from his Novel Neverwhere who could "Open" anything. Doors yes but anything in general, even abstract things.
I always picture the board saying "Mr. Door/Hatch" in my head. I can't shake it now.
Agreed. Mr door and Mr hatch are way too similar to be ignored. Very doubtful this is simply a coincidence, especially knowing Remedy
Played this game, got insanely hooked on the whole Control + Alan Wake lore. Stumbled upon your channel and I've been binging since! Insanely good work!
I'm glad you've been enjoying them! Yeah this series is crazy fun to explore
My first idea about the Mr. Door story is more meta. Dylan demonstrates that he knows that his reality is a game. So the other worlds which are side by side and on top of each other are other games, stacked in shelves. The worlds in which the cop is a story resp. real are the game "Alan Wake" and "Max Pain". Mr. Door, shifting between these worlds is the gamer, playing all of these games.
Which is entirely possible as well. I think the main thing the fanbase dug their teeth into was calling him Door and the use of the word Shifting. Because Hatch was a Shifter who existed in multiple realities. Some say that Mr. Door is Sam Lake. It really is whatever we make of it right now
WOOOOOO MR DOOOOOOOOR
I just love your content. While playing control, i always felt like i didn't really grasped the concepts and mysteries beneath the surface. You really help me to develop my understanding of the lore and it's aspects.
I'm glad I could help a bit! Remedy stories definitely require a lot of study to really dig into the lore properly.
I'm glad I decided to look for something about the Control's lore, because I found this gem. It's exactly what I wanted to see. Very informative, well-written and interesting. Well done. I think I'll stay here for a while.
I'm glad to have you aboard! Thank you for the support, I'm glad you enjoyed my content.
In the words of the great Deckard Cain, "Stay a while a listen."
Ya gotta love how remedy hinted at alan wake 2 in this game 4 years before its release and now gives us the anwser of who mr door was when Dylan mentioned him though there's still alot to learn about door
The lore to Control is strange and complex/complicated and i love it but man is it not easy to find comprehensive lore videos for it. I'm glad I found this and a few others I've seen so far of yours and plan to see afterwards. Thank you for the time taken to make this. It honestly helps me out and I already see myself as a big fan. Knowing the lore better makes me feel like a more complete fan
It really does! I always found then when going down the rabbit whole of a piece of literature it always helps us appreciate it even more.
I'm glad I could help!
Coming back to this video after Sam Lake posted about the guy playing Mr Door in AW2 lmao
After watching this, I feel like we're gonna play as Dylan in the next game.
That would actually be pretty cool. Have a narrative with both siblings before they can properly reunite.
I hope not, Jesse is a wonderful character and Dylan hasn't exactly been a likeable character in Control. Moreover, It's actually a good change of pace to have a good written female protagonist, she feels real and human.
@@alphamineron could not agree more
Obviously, Dylan's gonna be player two for the multiplayer co-op mode. His parautilitarian abilities seem similar in power level to Jessie's.
when you said "like switching channels on the tv" that remembered me of a document in the game where they were documenting his contaiment. he once raged and the plates of his meal or something at the tv out of nowhere and as a punishment he wouldnt be able to turn off the tv at will anymore...thinking about this after the video, he mightve been in a similar situation in where the hiss was either giving him the ability to control the perception of different realities or took it from him
For the most part I was referring to the rant that Trench had during the Nightmare sequence at the end of the game. During the second cycle he goes off on a long monologue. One line describes him receiving too much information and it was hard to focus because the channel kept changing.
@@GamingUniversityUoG oh that part! sheesh youre giving me a second brain expansion
One of his dreams was one he was having right then and there.
He proceeds to immediately breaks the fourth wall and talks about what he’s doing, and how he’s stuck watching this all from the corner.
Scared me pretty bad.
I love this kind of stuff. There was one in Max Payne when he had a drug trip telling g him he was trapped in a Computer Game.
4:27 I started playing dlc AWE (not finished) and I recall reading a paper that said that Alex Casey was asking the FBC about Alan Wake 😳
Yeah that one gave me pause too! Someone has been a busy writer.
If I'm not mistaken, isn't a hatch basically a small door, often in places that we don't consider doors to be in, sure, but similar enough.
Perhaps when Dylan was talking on his dreams, definitions became obscured like when Jesse talks to the board.
I'd love to learn more about this topic. Hopefully with the recent success at Remedy with this game they can negotiate for publishing rights on QB so we can tie back into this plot thread.
I am learning new words to use in an essay and didn't thought that those dreams had this much importance !!
Glad to help! And yeah this game is so full of info at this point I think everything is relevant.
This is definitely the definitive control channel!
Thanks!
Mr. Door has to be a reference to Mr. Hatch. It fits with how The Board speaks. As an example "Mr. Door/Hatch is a shifter."
Hmm, interesting take on using the Board speak for it. I'll need to think about it.
Very nicely done, thank you. I don't think I repeated talking to Dylan enough to hear all the dream stories, and didn't realize he would be in a coma at endgame. I wish I exhausted all dialogue when I had the chance.
I'd recommend checking youtube for all the conversations. Someone posted a video with the full thing. It's only about 13 minutes so it's a quick watch.
And thank you! There was too much good info from him I wanted to give Dylan the time he deserved.
@@GamingUniversityUoG good idea. and thanks for the video, great work
So cool replaying Control and speaking to Dylan after playing AW2 - Dylan’s Mr Door is just as Tim Breaker describes! Tim Breaker being linked to Warlin Door further confirms our suspicions of Door and Hatch being synonymous too!
After playing Alan wake 2 Dylan was definitely talking about warlin door
100%
Interesting note: Door and Hatch are synonymous.
Definitely an allusion to make us go 🤔
This video predicted the plot of Control 2, I'm confident.
We'll find out. Based upon the news this past week it sounds like we'll get some more info on 9/3
Been waiting to watch this video all day and I have to say fascinating stuff as always! I never even thought of the possibility that Mr Door could be a different Shifter. I instantly thought it was Martin either going by a different name or Dylan's psychosis effecting his speech into thinking that was his name, but it was really 'Hatch' since a 'Hatch' is basically a form of 'Door' after all. Plus I never thought about how Dylan and Jesse might actually be the same person, that's a really interesting theory, especially since The Board themselves acknowledge them together. Damn, the lore for this game never ceases to surprise me. Sam Lake really outdid himself with this masterpiece.
Sam is an incredible writer and he's an inspiration for me.
The name Hatch was chosen by him as Martin thought of himself as a gate between two states of the world that he was trying to shift. But being humble he wanted a smaller thing to represent him so he settled on a Hatch instead. I'm just curious if Mr. Door is intended to have the same naming theme as Hatch if we go by the theory they are Shifters or if it is in reference to a Character named Door in Neil Gaiman's book Neverwhere. She could literally open Doors to anything. Physical or Abstract.
I didn't mention this because it was not relevant to the thesis of this video but when Dylan said, he was in a Dark Place and he met a Dark Man there my immediate thought was the meeting with Mr. Door was in the literal Dark Place threshold where Alan was trapped in. But it's too ambiguous to jump on that train of thought.
Trust me we haven't seen the last of weird stuff in Control. I came across some new info on Thursday that floored me. Something I missed entirely and adds a whole new layer to everything in the story. But we'll have to wait a couple weeks until I get there lol.
Take it easy man!
My theory is that in the AWE exoansion Dylan wakes up hiss-free with his powers still remaining (though be it a bit less powerful) and is being contacted by Alan Wake as a call for help; The board obviously see Dylan as an immediate threat and give Jesse orders to eliminate/fire him and sending goons after them, Jesse will not obey and they will go to try help Alan...
During the Mr. Door dream Dylan does say he was in a Dark Place. If he wants referring to the actual Dark Place threshold I would lose my mind lol.
I'm so curious to see what happens when he wakes up. If we go by my hypothesis that Dylan's consciousness is lost right now, we could argue that in a coma his mind was travelling around and seeing all kinds of things. Maybe even Alan.
I think a nice healthy balance would be that while sleeping he can mentally travel but no longer do It while awake.
Like of like the Knights in the Word and the Void trilogy. Basically when they slept they lived a potential future where they failed in a present day conflict and had to live through a world created by their failures. And upon waking they had the knowledge from that future reality to fight the war happening now and prevent that future from occurring.
@@GamingUniversityUoG oooooh, that could bring some *really* intresting stuff with the "not being able to change the future , we can ONLY be prepared for it" massege that quantum break was going for without getting in legal trouble with actually directly refering to QB ( xbox still owns that ip).
They could use Alan's writing to battle "fate" and actually change the future. And Im sure the board would really hate that.
Dylan Faden is so underrated !! A well written character like him IS gold !!! If he has any connection with M. HATCH... That would be insane !!
So, Dylan has an ability to see alternate reality like what Paul Serene did before make decision, but perhaps in different way.
That's the essence of my theory. Just in a more chaotic way. Paul at least could choose which path to go down in his visions. For Dylan I see it as his mind randomly switches channels between them. The mind can't really handle it. I remember Trench using that line of the, 'channels changing too fast' when he was ranting in Jesse's Hiss Dream.
Man binging your content some of the best breakdowns of a game i have ever seen keep crushing brother, telling all my friends to sub.
I really appreciate it buddy! I hope your friends get a kick out of my stuff too.
One thing I never see discussed is how Dylan grows facial hair while in his coma. Remedy's attention to detail is incredible!
I love that it gives us some form of timeline between the end of the story and where we are at Foundation. Plus it proves the Hiss makes you go bald... one of the greatest mysteries of science solved haha.
Mr. Hatch is definitely Mr. Door. Remedy wanted to bring him (Lance Reddick) back for Alan Wake 2 but sadly he passed away before they could bring him on board. He’s even mentioned in the credits of the game.
I heard some people did some days mining and found some original art with Reddick in the role of Door.
@8:10 - I desperately want to see the "Night Springs" logo on this TV. lol
After this, and reading some comments, I'm convinced Jesse/Dylan were once one person who, when split, halved their parautilian power as well as their sanity. (I don't think Jesse is 'completely' there.)
I could totally do that too if I tried lol. I'm bad at graphic art and photoshopping but I could give it a shot.
The only wrinkle In the theory is Jesse acknowledging that Dylan is a year younger. But all the other evidence suggests they were at one point the same person. I think we need more information to say for sure.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I could give it a go too, as I love working in photoshop, but I don't think I could do it without it looking awful hahaha lighting is hard as it is, but CRT effects are a whole other level.
Yeah, def nothing certain right now. Though I wonder, do we have any imperical (emperical?) evidence? Or just simply what Jesse and Dylan have said?
The evidence is just what Dylan says in his dream and the Board calls her Jesse/Dylan in a hotline call, implying they represent the same thing.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh I meant what evidence we might have of them being biologically siblings - like a photo of their family, or any kind of notes pre-Ordinary AWE; that sort of thing.
Oh gotcha. Yeah really the only evidence is they said they are. We know the FBC went through public records of Ordinary since they noted Hugo wasn't there. I'd imagine they would have figured out one of them isn't in the city records.
All I know is the Ordinary Musical better be in Control 2 or I'll be disappointed.
Why is it that jesse never confronts anyone about being spied and observed all her life.
At first she wants to use them to help her find Dylan. So she consciously doesn't so as to avoid making them her enemy. By the time she finds him, she needs their help to figure out what is wrong with him. And by the end I think she has accepted them.
most of the people directly responsible were probably dead or worse by that point.
Now that we have the announcement of Alan Wake 2, and considering the theory that Dylan’s “dreams” are actually glimpses into other realities… does this mean he could possibly peer into the Dark Place? Maybe he could be how the FBC or even Jesse herself could have a role in Alan Wake 2 👀
The FBC will for sure have some form of presence in AW2. They have a monitoring station at Cauldron Lake now headed up by an Agent Estevez.
What about the part of the president welcoming the hiss (trench turning on the projector and the hiss coming) into the world and everyone started welcoming it?
I believe I mentioned the one where the Hiss spread throughout the world. Essentially, saying this was a potential reality if Jesse failed. At least that is my take.
Should have used Corridor's of Time instead of Frog's Theme at the end since we are talking about dreams and realities. "All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu."
Great video.
Haha you're the first to notice my music choice at the end. Frog was my Hero in that game and I loved his song.
But honestly you're probably right about using Corridors of Time due to the theme of the content.
Both Dylan and Jesse are treated like Objects of Power (perhaps even two halves of one OoP), by the Bureau, Board, and Hiss. The Bureau "acquired" Dylan, gave him a designation (P6), and immediately began testing and monitoring. When he killed several people trying to escape they treated him exactly like they always do for uncontrollable Objects of Power and Altered Items, they locked him away in the panopticon to be monitored and placated.
Jesse running away they took as an opportunity to have a "control group" during testing so they could measure her progress, development, and response to stress against Dylan's. They clearly knew both Jesse and Dylan had powers as several times during the game you hear that OOPs and Altered Items react differently to Jesse and Dylan than they do for other users so they were probably testing the utility of Dylan with different objects as part of their experiments. (for example, the floppy disk that they could barely use aside from one redacted example). Basically Jesse and Dylan are OoPs that can bring out the full potential of other OoPs and/or Altered Items and they intended to bind and utilize them with the Board/Bureau as a whole being their users.
So if they are OoPs, then Dylan not being fully taken over and altered like a human makes sense. Just like they corrupted other OoPs and spread the powers amongst their hoard, they corrupted Dylan and spread his/Jesse's ability to enhance OoPs, as well. This let the Hiss use levitation, dodge, and telekinesis to a similar level and in a similar way to how Jesse herself uses it. If they are OoPs then they also have a constant connection to the Astral Plane and that would probably explain both Jesse and Dylan having dreams that seem to predict events or show other realities.
If he and jesse were the same person then there would be a possibility for them to merge back, and combine their powers to become the ultimate vegito-like super-director.
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She's a year older
@@piratetv1 that is what she said? Could be that all about her or her brother are false memories. A way for her to pretend be normal, to not be fully aware of her own nature and of the true lack that his brother's absense is. Honestly, anything is possible with this crazy multiverse.
She does refer to him as her little brother. That is the only wrinkle I'm trying to figure out. One thing I think is relevant is that Hugo, one of the boys in Tom's gang back in Ordinary, could not be found in public records. This combined with Jesse remembering Thomas Zane. In a Manuscript page in AW:AN, Alan says only those touched by the powers that re-write reality are aware of the changes to reality. This would be the only explanation for Jesse remembering Zane.
Going by this logic there is a lot more that happened in the Ordinsty AWE than we know. It's possible Hugo was from another timeline or parallel reality. By extension is it possible that Dylan and Jesse are too?
I have a weird feeling this is a Lutece Twin situation from Bioshock Infinite where Jesse and Dylan are the same person from different parallel realities that during the AWE, crossed over and met. In one, the child was born male, in the other, female.
Nothing but circumstantial speculation but it would be interesting.
@@GamingUniversityUoG this is amazing. I love the lutece theory, they could be the same person but born a year apart in different realities. Until i heard Dylans dreams i wondered why her name is spelled like mine. Everyone tries to put an " i " in my name. Jesse could be either but Jessie definitely Jessica and always a girls name
Just found the channel, great content!!
So, I'm confused by Dylan's apparent powers. I thought in Control, paranauts bound Objects Of Power to themselves, that in turn granted them abilities depending on the object. Jesse has numerous powerful abilities because the Director seems to be able to bind any number of OOP to themselves. However, I don't remember anything mentioning Dylan ever binding any OOP to himself. It was stated that Dylan was as suitable a candidate for Director as Jesse, however before she begins collecting OOP Jesse is functionally powerless. Therefor, I would assume that part of this "suitability" refers to some capacity for binding OOP and/or numerous OOP.
You could assumed that his powers are granted from his connection to the HISS, however in the documents that reference his declining mental state, it states that Dylan killed a bureau employee in an apparent rage, which he refers to as an accident in one of the recorded interviews. This occurred before his contact with the HISS. While it doesn't specifically state that Dylan used paranatural abilities to kill the employee, that's what I infer from it. I suppose it's possible that Dylan just shanked the poor guy or something, but it just didn't feel like that was what was being implied (I also don't know how that could be interpreted as an "accident" in any light).
I recognize the possibility that finding/binding the OOP are just part of the metroidvania gameplay loop in Control, but it seems like a game that goes out of it's way to exhaustively provide explanations for everything in the game.
Does anyone have an idea of the source of his abilities? or possibly something in the game that explains his situation?
For Jesse and other Parautalitarians yes OoPs are bound to them which allows then to harness the energies that are attached it them.
For Dylan, I feel like it wasn't an OoP which allowed him to see things this way. Just like trench when he was ranting in Jesse's mind mentioned that his brain like moving too fast like someone was changing the channel too quickly. I feel the Hiss affected Dylan in a similar way. Except he could remain sane unlike Trench who lost it. Dylan appears to be witnessing multiple realities, timelines, alternate histories and his mind rationalizes it by having different dreams.
Thanks for commenting! I'm glad you enjoy the weirdness that I out out there lol.
I'm a bit late to the party, but i find it super interesting that The Board addresses Jesse as 'Jesse Dylan Faden' everytime.
It's mentioned a few times. I don't think we have the info the really say what they mean by that.
But wait, did anyone notice that interaction with Dylan at the very very end? I think its only on playstation, but once you've finished everything (Shumi, Foundation, Alan Wake etc) and while you're wearing the cat ears, you can go to the left of the glass and there's an interaction button. Jesse does that thing where she touches the glass and we see Dylan in that black astral world suddenly wake up, followed by a quick succession of images (hiss infected world, a strange stone well, a desert etc). Might be something to look into.
Alan Wake wrote Jesse in to be his hero? Which could be why Dylan though he was 1 person?
There is still a lot of debate on this topic. Personally, Jesse was a person of her own before everything and Alan temporarily cast her in his story for the purposes of helping him
I was listening to this while showering and screamed in shock when I head Door referenced before AW2 lmao
"Door" and "Hatch" are both words for relatively the same type of object. Interesting.
I'm pretty sure they want us to think along those lines. Wouldn't surprise me if there is some link.
I've officially gotten every single trophy including DLCs. First time ive ever done that lol. I have all abilities, all uniforms including cat ears, all weapon forms upgraded to max, every single mission and side mission completed . love this game
It’s worth noting that Dylan likely still has a connection to the Hiss. After completion of either the Foundation or AWE DLC, if you approach the wall of Dylan's cell his head is at, Jesse will touch the glass and have a vision. In the vision, Dylan is standing in a negative space and there are a series of either 2 or 3 blink-and-you-miss-it images that also has the Hiss inksplash. The only image you can clearly recognize (and may be intentional) is a view of New York, implying the Hiss very much wants to get out.
Just played through QB and at some point noticed some graffiti with the letters "AWE". I'm not sure why it was in the game or what it refers to. Does the whole event in QB count as an AWE? It is 'altered' by humans, thus it does not count as an AWE? Perhaps it's referring to the shifters and/or Martin's natural teleportation? Maybe it refers to something else entirely? Maybe it's just some graffiti and I shouldn't look for a deeper meaning 😅? Any thoughts on this? Keep up the amazing videos!
It really comes down to semantics. I would absolutely consider time travel as an Altered World Event but Jungian energies didn't make an OoP or Altered Item like they do in all of Control. It is purely science.
The AWE is also on the Riverport University chalkboard and has two acronyms. Altered World Events and Alan Wake Experience.
Frankly, I have no clue how relevant it is. It's possible students who took the class did it after studying AWE in relation to Alan, a shifter could have done it, or it could be smoke signals from Alan being sent out trying to find help. In AW:AN he did say he had sent out distress calls before but had no clue how effective they were.
There really isnt enough information right now.
I only started playing control recently and am almost done awe is it possible Mr Door/hatch is the person in the motel mentioned in awe or is Dylan posbly dreaming of Mr door as the motel it might be due to his psychosis?
He is likely perceiving another reality, alternate timeline, future event, etc. It is hard to say because it feels like Dylan is breaking the 4th wall literally and his visions of this are perceived as dreams.
As far as Hatch and Mr. Door goes, I'm not sure to be honest. Remedy doesn't have the publishing rights to the characters in Quantum Break so if they are the same person we won't know for a while.
Now we know who Mr. Door is, and you were pretty close as he was supposed to be played by Lance Reddick.
This is too much information to be process by my brain.
I think Dylan is Jesse's shadow self. The self she's afraid of becoming due to corruption from the powers. I might be over simplifying a few things, but Jesse is the director of The Old House. I believe this is symbolic of consciousness. She's in control. And the game itself is her physically gaining back control of her own consciousness. The Oldest House is a nap of her Psyche, and her brother is a memory of something she did that was really bad, and to not take on all the blame of the lives lost, he was manifested. Maybe into real life even. But I still think (because we never leave the house in game) we are just Astralnauting Jesse's psyche (her conscious, subconscious, as well as her ability to enter OTHERS psyche (telepathy) like Alan Wakes. That's why we never "meet" him, we're inside his head with him. Just a theory.
If we go off the assumption Dylon is a projection of Jesse's psyche, I think it would be more fitting if he were her Animus not the Shadow. But again there are thematic comparisons that don't necessarily have to be a literal lore thing.
I really like to think Mr door is Hatch himself. In one of his notes in QB he says that he doesn’t view himself as a gate but something smaller like a hatch and hence the name Martian Hatch and a door is in the same ball park
I havent looked at the new promo stuff for AW2 but according to some video titles we will likely get more information on Door in that game.
Mr. Door is Martin Hatch, much like Alex Casey IS Max Payne, because they do not own these properties anymore, they have to use placeholders. It's why Sam Lake still plays Casey in the Alan Wake II teaser in Quantum Break. I'm sure, were they to still own these products, they'd simply use the names we know them to be, or symbolize.
My big hope is that since Rockstar is letting Remedy do remakes of Max Payne 1 and 2 that we will get more tie ins for that IP. Quantum Break being owned by Microsoft doesn't sound likely though
@@GamingUniversityUoG oh GOD that would be FANTASTIC!
So, that what Darling's mean that Dylan has so much potential
They did say he had Northmoor level readings. I'm not sure how powerful that director was but Dylan is definately high up there in the spectrum of Parautalitarians.
@@GamingUniversityUoG If we assume "Northmoor levels" are extremely high - but Darling is saying he has more potential it makes me circle back to the idea of Jesse/Dylan. It's reasonable to think that if they are one who is split in two, their power was halved as well.
I wonder if Remedy was planning to let the player choose whether they want to play as Dylan and Jesse and depending which one they choose, their role in the story would have been switched.
Or maybe that’s what happened in another reality :D
That would have been cool. I know in a previous Remedy game, Quantum Break, it was intended to have multiple playable characters but it never made it into the final game.
It would be fun to see things from Dylan's perspective though.
Honestly, the fact that he was raised on the show that is the only collectable I REFUSE to watch is astounding. He needs some help. Especially from his sister.
I dont know how they thought that TV would help a child in any way.
I think Trench represents the old school dark and tortured protagonist with a moral code but unable to move on from his past this is why they gave him Max Payne voice , and this is why in the first part of the song "take control" we have in the lyrics :
"No deeper madness than your own making
...Visions lashing blades of shame, but will you take the blame?"
and .... "I missed the moment before the fall to recognise I had a voice" The fall of Max Payne ?
Dylan and Jesse represent the two facets of the players mentality , Dylan represent the player who was infected by the violence in video games and didn't understand the true meaning of Max Pain 1 and 2 , In my opinion the worlds "side by side on top of each others" that Dylan was talking about are games in console or PC desktop so Dylan the gamer infected by the hiss/violence want to bring violence to other worlds/games that's explain why Dylan can know the future because when you play the game for the second time you already know the story ...
Jesse in the other hand is the player who care for the story ; the characters and the exploration , a player who instead of enjoying chaos and violence is here to bring order and peace .
I haven't finished the Max Payne games yet so I'm not sure how much input I can give, but I can definately see the comparisons to Max and Trench. Not just the same VA but even their story. Wife and child dead sending him spiraling off.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Max Payne 1 & 2 are a part of the vision of Sam Lake , and not just the game even the Poets of Fall music videos of "Late Goodbye" that describe Max Payne story and "Dream you wild awake" and "War" are connected to Alan Wake ... If you notice in the music video ""Late Goodbye" we can see a moth chasing the light and after we see the moth resting on a woman picture like the woman in that music video represent the light that the hero can't abandon and because he can't let it go he is drawn into the darkness fighting an endless battle he could never win just like what Sankarin Tango song said ...
In the music video "War" it ends with Alan Wake branding signal torch that the red light remind me of the Hiss ... I know all of this makes no sense and I don't want to convince anyone it's just how I see it ^^
Thank you and keep up the good work !
So if remedy universe is connected to our actual universe as well, could sam lake be mr door? I remember him in a scene from alan wake and i thought maybe if he is in the game he could be important. I also think that Mr. Door is the embodiment of the Oceanview Motel, as we found out earlier from the foundation that Ahti caused the tv to become paranatural. So i believe that Mr. Door somehow caused the motel to become paranatural. I think Sam Lake might be Mr. Door, as he is part of the Remedy-verse and ours.
I have heard that theory that Sam is Mr. Door. It wouldn't surprise me if he did something like that. At the very least we can presume this Mr. Door can travel between the Remedy multiverse.
I wonder if Jesse and Dylan were a Shifter, with the Ordinary AWE separating their possibilities. After all, if each game is a timeline, then maybe the slide projector was used as part of research on how to create these thresholds.
Imagine a Dylan game in which he became a shifter.
That would be crazy and a little frightening. We have never seen all of what a Shifter can do. They seem insanely broken.
Tbh dylan is just dreaming about alans failed rewrites. thats the only thing that makes sense to me. remember alan can always write out what he wants them to do but he cant force it, especially if it doesnt fit the characters ideals. alan messed up with jesse dylan; he didnt give him a conflict. so he wrote out trench, and he split jesse and dylan. made them interchangable just in case (remember his unisexual names comment). and them faded them into his screenplay. the first line in a script is FADE IN. sooo....enter jesse FAYDEN. ahti is his editor. his clean up guy, making sure the story doesnt mess up. he was there to make sure she touched the service weapon and started her arc proper. nothing more. with dylan, hed already be director, so there was no motivation and the storyline would ruin. dylan was there to POWER the story along now. hes the pensioner. ahti is waaay more revealing if you listen carefully. he tries to tell you alans plan without messing up the current arc. Fun fact: ahti's vacation is him trying to make it to alan wake 2 in time lol. if you watch the new extended gameplay footage the bastard is on stage singing at a karaoke bar! LOL
"you are a copy of a copy of a copy." Dylan is actually just fine. The dreams are real.
Also, its not a board of directors.
Let me iron this one out:
The (Story) Board
The Oldest (Publishing) House
The (Story) Foundation
The (Story) Threshold (meaning the hero has committed to the journey)
The Hiss (Critics, possibly Mr Scratch)
Polaris (the North Star, aka story beats, exposition)
Jesse is the FIRST story to end to alans liking. His journey is actually JUST starting.
Liken this to Loki on Disney plus. Kang wanted to control everything, so he made the TVA. Alan did the same with the FBC. and it worked. but why NY? why not bright falls?? now THERES a video!
Some of this things are so close to my own universe ideas. I guess I can connect all to mine and none as well.
We can see a whole new light on Mr. Door now with Alan Wake 2!
Surely there is another reality were Dylan is what Jesse is, and the board just talks to both of them as one
In the multiverse there has to be at least one where this is the case.
I always thought the "ambigous gender" comment was in regards to how during early story dev they probably didnt have a hard decision on the genders of the protagonist and antagonist lol
This may be my Bioshock fandom coming out but I always looked at it like the Lutece Twins from Infinite. Technically they are the same person but clearly different at the same time. I can't wait to figure out what's the deal with this question.
Writing from the future where Mr. Door invites SAM LAKE on his talkshow (in Alan Wake 2). Calling him by his name, "Sam Lake", as the actor who portrays Alex Casey. Thus proving the theory that Mr. Door knows about the real world, the games, Remedy, maybe even these theory videos on TH-cam or discussion on Reddit, lol :P
Now that's Meta!
Concerning Mr. Door, my guess is that either Sam Lake or Jack Joyce is meant.
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If I remember right, Mr. Hatch explicitly writes that he's not a door but content with being something smaller, a hatch... At the end of Quantum Break, after (hopefully) repairing time, we see Jack shift away (and Hatch also named him when he was talking about other shifters earlier.) Jack has ambition and at least plans to get Beth back, and as we see in the interview that's in the background of the whole game, he seems to be able to retain a single personality after he most likely turned into a shifter. I can't imagine Jack just stopping to do things, shifter or not, so he can very well be Mr. Door.
Sam Lake, well, almost everything in the Remedyverse is his creation, so he's the ultimate creator and sees more than anybody else.
It's also strange how there are close to zero hints on Quantum Break in Control. There is that picture where Jesse seems to speak to Beth, Mr. Door and I think that's it. But well, we know "the waves are both Wilder and more Serene..."!
Agreed! I believe Mr. Door is some form of shifter just because of the diction that Dylan uses when describing him and the nature of the worlds.
I'm curious if Dark Man refers to the Sam Lake/Max Payne imagery or something else. He did specify Dark Place and dark man which could refer to Alan or something else. It's so vague it is hard to say. But this wouldnt be the first time that Sam Included himself into the story. I'm really curious what happened with jack. Which choice he made.
@@GamingUniversityUoG or choices... He might make multiple ones at the same _time_ now...
the cab driver of quantum break
How did he get here lol
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Given the new sneak peak of Alan wake 2 at Summer Games Fest, could remedy have hinted at their plans for Alan Wake 2? A writer who writes about a cop yet she exists in another world seems to apply well
I'm 99% confident that line of dialogue was referencing Max Payne / Alex Casey.
Mr Door might not be a shifter at all. It might be a personified description of the Ocean View Casino and Motel. It's main feature is its doors marked with different symbols.
The Hiss haven't been able to use the motel to circumvent the lockdown, even though that's clearly possible. If nothing else it could send the Hiss from the oldest house to Butte.
Maybe the Hiss aren't capable of using the motel, dream navigation may be beyond them. However it could also mean the motel is refusing to cooperate with them, just like Dylan describes Mr Door doing.
That was my theory when playing the game although that's partly because I've never played quantum break.
Looks like I'm a bit late with this one! I'm not totally convinced on the Jesse/Dylan being one theory, although the Board's last message does lend more weight to it. I actually like the idea (and I think the community does too), though the fact they are separate ages makes it seem unlikely. I liked Dylan's character, hoping we see more of him in the future.
I'm with you. I'm not 100% sure. The Board's words don't necessary prove it as they say things they consider to be symbolically similar. Still it's a fun though.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh for sure, always fun to speculate on this stuff. Control is great at giving just enough, without spoiling the mystery.
Alan Wake 2 made Dylan's 4th dream more impactful than it originally was
Dylan’s Mr.Door dream could also be an early tease to Alan Wake 2 👀
I'm not at all knowledgable enough on Jung to be sure of this idea, but perhaps Jesse is the Ego, and Dylan is the Shadow, which split from the "self" that was Jesse Dylan Faden...?
That is definately one possibility. This would require Dylan to be the personification of her ID and Darker impulses.
It's also possible that Jesse is the Anima and Dylan is the Animus, the masculine and feminine aspects of the psyche. But this is of we go by a purely Jungian interpretation.
We will have to see! The AWE dlc can't get here fast enough.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I need to read more Jung. That Anima and Animus possibility sounds very plausible as a direction they could head.
I agree The AWE can't be here soon enough at all. Thank ya'll so much for making these!
Check out Max Derrat's channel for some good Jung info. He is currently doing a chapter by chapter analysis of Jung's Aion and has a video on the Anima/Animus.
He also does similar stuff to me but for the Silent Hill series.
Mr. Door could have bound the Jukebox to himself. Perhaps, it was not the End of Time the characters visited at all.
The blessed organization had more to do with the Jukebox. Anything related to Door is so vague I shy away from theorizing
@@GamingUniversityUoG Nonsense! Since when do we shy away from foil hat theories?😄...but you are correct😉
Did not get to see the interaction with 4th dream of Dylan after the game. Could it also be possible that the 4th dream is also related with the upcoming expansion pack AWE, thus, Alan Wake ?
Edit: I wrote it when I paused at the 4th dream explanation and got my answer right off the bat thereafter :).
I got to say that I believe Control is a very underrated but an amazing game for its fan base. Love the content and the train of thoughts your bringing to the table :)
"jesse, we need to contain altered items jesser"
And now After Alan Wake 2, we know who Mr. Door is. I wonder if he is supposed to be Martin Hatch played by another actor, or if he's an other shifter
I heard some people comment that the role of Door was originally supposed to go to Lance Reddick. So that tells us all we need to know.
For the whole game I thought Jesse wasn't real or it was in a dream. At the end we get proof that she is a sick woman in the audio log with the therapist.
I don't know what to think.
When I finished the game I was like "what? So this is real? The oldest house and everything is real? I'm really the director then? = Confused
Yes it all is real. That scene with a therapist, in my opinion, is a bureau operative/scientist posing as the doctor in order to extract information from her.
@@GamingUniversityUoG But is it your opinion or is it what Remedy wanted you to believe?
I'm still confused about this game. When you spend 15 hours rationalizing everything to make sense of the story and at the end, everything paranormal was real, I think it broke something inside my head.
You know, your point of what happened to Dylan and why he is comatose, just got me thinking of Darling. Like, what really happened to Darling? There wasn't a body, so did he just transport himself to another dimension?? Maybe the game answered that and I just didn't see it, but I just want know where did he go??
We don't really know where darling went. I think it is implied he ascended to a higher tier of reality. He makes mention of David Bowman and the Monolith in reference to himself. In 2001: A Space Odyssey, the story begins with the Monolith assisting an Ape into the evolution to Man. The story ends with David Bowman being aided in evolving into the Star Child. So I think it is fair to assume Darling ascended to the next stage of evolution or higher tier of reality.
Well, in the end of "Dynamite" you can faintly hear "jesse, get me" probably he's taken hostage by some entity and can't tell her directly
@@Kevin-fj5oe Now there's been some debate on that. I honestly just think it's just the name "Jesse" being echoed with a slight delay, but "Jesse, get me" would have been more intriguing =).
Dylan Faden.
Head of Synchronicity Department.
We need to put him in charge of something one he wakes up
Can you explain with a video of the whole concept of control, what actually happened, did she really come to the bureau or was she already there as P6.
How did she become the director instantly. Like so many questions???
I realy like the remedy verse.
I'd love more tieins to quantum break. Cause I realy like that game.
Stay tuned for next week! This video was intended as a setup for putting Quantum Break into the rotation!
@@GamingUniversityUoG cant wait.
"watches Callender and clock, "
Mr. Door...another word for a Door is Hatch....hmmmmm
Definitely an intentional allusion. Whether it connects the characters is a mystery. Might be another shifter or just the writers knowing we would catch it and want us to think something.
Ay, got to watch it. One thing I think could effect your theory is that the fact that Quantum Break isn't owned by Remedy. I had the thought it was Ahti, as you've said "Janitor" means "gatekeeper", which a gate is in relation of a door, hence "Mr. Door". Why he changed his name, I don't know. Maybe Ahti is like a cover, and he could in fact be several different people in different timelines/worlds (I do hope Alan is in the same world and reality, and it not being a multiverse for the two characters. However, if Alan wrote Jesse, she would be like Alex Casey... But it makes you wonder, why was Zane able to create Alan in the same universe? Is it because he's already in another dimension and hence can place a story in the main continuum?)
If Remedy somehow gets Quantum Break back, though their premises are very different (perhaps shifters are paranormal happenings, as I don't think their creation is explained?), it would be interesting. Though I don't see a sequel, tying elements in like shifter (also notice how the Bureau's suits are similar to Monarch's - perhaps they supply them?) would work, since they use technology extensively in the FBC, sci-fi heavy things like Quantum Break would work into the universe, but the tech would be more of a side note to the paranormal, as they use tech and the paranormal for their own good.
Sorry that was huge. I have more thoughts, but I think that's good for now haha
Yeah maybe it is just my wishful thinking but I hope Microsoft and Remedy can work something out. There is already enough Alan Wake 2 and Control connections in Quantum break that letting that whole universe go to waste would be... well a waste.
I can only imagine if Emily Pope and William Joyce got into a lab together.
That's interesting though since Martin Hatch said he didn't want to call himself a Gate because he wanted to remain humble. So instead he chose the name Hatch. I also thinks its amusing considering Lance Reddick was in Lost and there was a Hatch in there too.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I personally didn't play Quantum Break, so I don't have too much of a connection to it, though it looks very interesting. If they do get the IP back (Remedy), then I can see it initializing the more realistic side of the universe, establishing deals and technological advancements in the world. If they do get it back, if not a sequel, they'll make universal connections I'm sure.
I would definately check it out as it's on steam right now. It is not as esoteric as Control & Alan Wake but it's a great experience. Without giving away any spoilers there is an event that is supposed to happen in 2021 in Quantum Break lore that has the fanbase excited about next year for some information to be released. Frankly I don't think we'll see anything but yeah.
It would also be amusing considering Dylan's actor plays a guy named Nick Marsters and Jesse's actress is one of the main characters named Beth Wilder. Getting them in a room together would be priceless lol.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I would honestly play it... If only I had an Xbox or a PC... I'll watch a playthrough though. Is that "exciting event" easy to find, or is it a hidden? I'm honestly interested in that, sounds like it could be a augmented reality game.
And yeah, seeing some characters, especially played by the same people, interacting with others would definitely be interesting. I wonder how Dr. Darling and Alan would act to each other, probably throw in a joke or two.
Interesting that when Jesse "takes control" Dylan falls asleep. It is easy to forget that Jesse is there to save Dylan, not herself, and what is her fear of failure but her fear of being a failure to Dylan. Dylan being the only character, apart from perhaps Ahti and Alan Wake, who is neither in the "Hiss Nightmare", or the "Hedron Nightmare". Dylan perhaps lived in the "Real Nightmare" which for him is worse than both. Both Ahti and Dylan manage to be there in with Jesse in both the Hiss office dream and the Hedron faction control staff "consensus". Although, the Hedron device wearing control staff seem to hate Dylan like the Hiss dream control staff hated Jesse.
All this leads me to the idea that Jesse is a saviour figure conjured from Dylan's imagination. Trapped in his cage, Dylan has limited material to work from. Childhood memories, the research staff, guards, perhaps the director visits. Perhaps the most normal and kind face would be the janitor assigned to clean his room. People who lived in mental institutions sometimes talk about how the only people who treated them decently, like actual humans, were the cleaners. Seeing the vision of Jesse being stuck in the boring world of the office, then snapping and killing the director would be like a beautiful revenge fantasy to Dylan. If he were to write a story, he could be expected to write it this way.
I have a feeling Dylan is Jessie's "Scratch" possibly in the same vein as Alan's shadow in that Scratch is the embodiment of all the things he doesn't like about himself or denies...Dylan may be the reality of the system she is taking part in, the thing that she both is a victim of and wants to change and fix. Jessie is the part of him that wants to change the system that they have inhereted while Dylan is the part of Jessie that wants to destroy it and burn it to the ground for what it did to him against the cost of what that leaves open.
I think as the games go forward Dylan will be a continuing antagonist. He will wake up in the next game and yet again seek the power to destroy the Oldest House because even if Jessie is in charge...she isn't in Control and what the Oldest House is still disgusts her even if she wants to make it better.
This theory was soo good! But I'm too stupid to understand, why this game is harder than my physics lessons? 😂
Just one simple question, does Polaris still live in Dylan? Thank you in advance!
Haha thank you! Trust me science always makes more sense than these Abstract mechanisms.
In terms of Polaris I honestly couldn't say. I'd imagine she is in some capacity but probably not probably not that strong. I guess it is possible the only reason he wasn't torn apart when Jesse cleansed him is because of Polaris. The other Hiss Agents were shown to die during this process.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yes! I thought that moment too! Since you also saw several clues about Control 2, where could I find those clues, other than the door sign in Motel? Or maybe if the clues are too much to write, you could make a video about Control 2 signs 😄😍
re: those first two dreams, it is noteworthy that we, the player, only meet and take control of Jesse at the height of the hiss outbreak *within* the Oldest House. Other than the Bureau's physical observations, there is no evidence that she was ever *really* outside the Oldest House. Add to this the Threshold Kids' (emphasis on the plurality) inclusion of both a boy and a girl living at the Oldest House, and it seems implied that Dylan is definitely much *closer* to the "truth" than Jesse.
Or perhaps sitting around hiss-infected individuals and hearing them out instead of shattering them all the time has made me biased...
They are split souls, we are seeing different time lines in dreams.
Not just timelines, but different dimensions and realities.
Mr. Door could be Mr. Hatch. That's my opinion.
We jokingly are saying that Mr. Door is Sam Lake haha. Since he is kind of a character in the story between all the promotional material where he gets kidnapped by Mr. Scratch and his appearance in Alan Wake.
But yeah Hatch is likely related to it in some way.
What if there is no hiss no plaris it's all in their head 🗣️
Oh it is definitely something. Otherwise Jesse would have been taken by the Hiss within five of entering.
I just past my brothers keepers mission should I get both dlc? Because I definitely want that power called shape or so like that
The AWE dlc opens after Brothers Keeper. That one I say do it alongside your regular Main story quest. Foundation only triggers after the game is done. That is where you get Shape.
@@GamingUniversityUoG thank you gaming , so I beat the game already I definitely think I’m going to get both of them
I would weirdly like to see Max Payne, Alan Wake, Jesse Faden, and that one guy from Quantum break banning together as a group. Just a strange group. What would their name be even called?
If all of them got together it would be one crazy day lol. I'm just imagining then at a bar swapping war stories while the bartender is listening in and scared
Mr Door IS Mr Hatch, surely?!?
That is one of the theories on this. Some day Door is another Shifter, others think it is a meta reference to Sam Lake himself. Who knows.