Celestion Creamback M, H, neo and Alnico cream Shootout Pt. 1
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- In this Celestion creamback shootout we decided to set the Celestion M creamback, H cramback, neo creamback and Alnico cream against each other and see what happened. All four are great speakers and definitely have a similar vibe. Here we take a look at all four Celestion creamback speakers and chat through our experiences with them.
Here are the sound samples
13:26 Clean
14:34 Rhythm
18:26 Lead
25:45 Heavy
In the past we made a Celestion alnico shootout video (link below), but as we get asked more about the creambacks, this was an obvious choice. This time we compare, clean, rhythm, rhythm and lead and then later higher gain, and tried to keep clips a little shorter.
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Rhythm:
Cream Alnico - 15:07
Neo Creamback - 16:06
M Creamback 65 - 17:03
H Creamback 75 - 18:01
I love what they’re playing in this video, really beautiful riffs
Thanks, Joe is a great player for sure. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs is it possible to get a full version of what he's playing? it's so good i've been listening on repeat for hours at this point lol
Creamback H for me . It's got the boldness clarity and slight mid honk I look for in a speaker .
I own it and it’s great in a marshall style amp, I wouldn’t put it in a fender or anything but that’s my own take
The M is the same speaker. Only the magnet is slightly bigger in the H. Amazing what a difference that makes.
Its a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
Yep, surprised and impressed by the cut-through of the H
I bought two of the h 75 w at eight oh I never plug them in I never tried them they've been sitting in their boxes for 5 years, will sell for a bargain price.
Personal use I’ve always far preferred the h75 to the m65. Seeing the eq spectrum it appears to register high end beyond the others, which may explain the extra harmonics I’d cited.
Hi Bryce, the H does have that bit more top... I think Hs can often be lazily said to be bass heavy speakers. The M's can be a little dark for some people too, but then I guess they are used for different jobs. Thanks for watching.
For me the Alnicos were wiping the floor with the other two every time until I heard the H. Alnico would work for certain amps but the H's take it for me in a landslide
Great, it is always nice when it isn't the most expensive of the range that you think sounds best ;) Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
The ALNICO's sounded kinda icepicky to me, the M's and the H's are the best imo
Amps with equalizer models, so you can mix various ablinco in an attenuator isolate cab, then mix with cheap ones, and play and your over personal moniter and everyone probably, listening to different things in a lot of lsd
I use the 12 H… and I bought it only because it was the only 12” Celestion in stock …
But I’m happy I did because it’s got a whole range of tones… it cranks.. but it’s articulate at the same time..
More than for certain amplifiers, they are for certain types of music... Alnico speakers are not for use with high levels of gain or distortion...palm muting or things like that... They sound very good with clean and crystalline sounds or a certain level of crunch or overdrive, not very high, preferably with single coils, tube screamer type, sparkle drive or Carl Martin heavy drive... With the latter it sounded very good to me
You guys make the best demos on youtube! Lots of great info and sound samples. Well... Nothing beats a good alnico speaker and the creamback if proof of that. I'm actually impressed with the M series. It sounds like a good mix of alnico and ceramic sounds together.
Thanks for that, that is very kind of you, we really appreciate it. The Alnico cream is a great speaker, I don't think we've found a style it can't do yet. Thanks for watching.
Yep! M-65 & Cream Alnico in a 2X12 open cab for the win!!
That combo is going into my Twin Reverb in a few short months!!
I've bought NEO cream few days ago and you guys are responsible for that.
I have combo for my use in SLO ballpark with some modifications , and I must say that it is beautiful speaker! I had jensen NEO , v30, lead80 and K100 in there and this is most linear and neutral speaker with everything not standing out in a bad way. Just pure sound. Dynamics is right on , clean with sparkle with no harshness , low end with no flub and soloing super clean without sizzle. And this is brand new! I am so excited, that I am ordering another one and Alnico cream for my other designs. Cream series is spot on!
Thank you !
haha great, let Celestion know it is down to us ;) Glad we helped a little.
Well done gents! These guys made me one hell of an extension cab for my Marshall DSL40C with an Alnico Creamback. Top notch build and great experience!
Thanks for that. It is good to hear you are still loving your cab.
I watched and especially listened to this video and it convinced me to take the 12M creamback which is aptly named. I installed it in my Rivera chubster and it sounds wonderful! I hesitated for a long time with the NEO which seems to me slightly more "sparkling" but which also sounds great (too bad my combo would have been lighter;))
Thanks for your videos guys you are on top !!
That's great, I'm glad it helped. If you get a chance to try the neo creamback do, it can sound really cool in 1x12s, don't be scared off if you've had bad experiences of neo speakers in the past.
@@ZillaCabs I think the Neo will be my next purchase for my 1x12 open cab ;) Thanks !!
I gotta go with the H Creamback. Sounds really well rounded, the lows are better defined. But you can't go wrong with any of these especially mixed with other speakers like vintage 30's.
Thanks for watching Laurence, you're right, they all mix great with the V30, especially the H, they marry up really well.
Put a 75 H in my blues jr. And man, after it broke in it's been absolutely amazing killer tone.....not to bright but with perfect low end. The creambacks are killer speakers! Rock on mates!
Great, I'm glad you found that speaker. Although the H creamback is great in big cabs too, I find being such a full bodied speaker it works great in smaller open back cabs (and combos) too. I do love a Celestion in Fenders too, I think they help put a different slant on them.
Im trying to decide between Creamback and G12h Heritage Greenback for my BJ 😩
Wow i'm so surprised how good the Alnico Cream Sounds for lead. I'd have a 212 with one Neo and one Alnico. Mic either one for either lead or rhythm sound in the studio
That sounds like a plan. I know Joe uses an M cream and Alnico cream in a Studio Pro. All those speakers mix really well too, so you can pretty much have any combination.
Awesome video, great work. Thanks for putting this together.
Thanks for that, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I happen to have the H creamback and with gain it’s absolutely glorious. The cream alnico sounds good here too
Yeah, it does hold up really well with gain. The alnico cream is surprisingly good for higher gain playing too. Thanks for watching.
man that guitar solo had me almost in tears man i truly beleive music is was creat to worship GOD and your solo started the fire thanks
Joe is a great player, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for the additional posted timestamps. After a few listens, the H is glorious.
The H is a cool speaker.
Creamback alnico sounds like heaven, love the other ones too, specially the H and M, they sound more vintage gritty punk rock to me!
Hi Danilo, the Alnico cream is a great speaker, I love it for most things... trouble is it is quite expensive.
My alnico cream never sounded as heavenly as this demo, but maybe I just suck at playing!
@@MatthewTomich does it sound as hell? That is good too! 😎
I have a 2 1x12 mini stack from zilla great cabs and look awesome. ... they have the neo creambacks in and it sounds absolutely fantastic.... each cab is around 10kg .... it's a dream to set up and take down.
Best bit is the playing in between doing so!
Thanks Danny, the neo cream is such a great speaker, but also does seem to lend itself well to a closed back 1x12. It's a big sound for 10kg. Thanks for taking time to comment.
I would agree with the neo being best in a sealed cab. Neo flux is sharper and that makes it snappy, a sealed cab boosts Bass if tuned right and dampens cone movement creating a bit of speaker compression.
Great video. All of these sounded good in isolation but hearing them one after another did highlight differences. For clean sounds I liked most of them except the M. For distorted sounds, I was surprised to find I did not like the Alnico as it had a more pronounced boxy or nasal mid sound to me and I actually preferred the Neo, followed by the H.
Alnico all the way for me 👍 Although I was surprised at the quality of the neo. It's funny that it's the first neo speaker I've ever heard....I guess I'm just stuck in the past 😆
What would be a fantastic idea would be if Celestion sold after market magnets for us to tinker with. Make the magnets threaded and able to be swapped around. That way we could buy just one speaker but could swap between alnico, neo, and ceramic as we wish.
It can't be THAT difficult to do, so Celestion, if you're watching, make it happen guys 😎👍
Yeah a lot of the early neo speakers (or models from ten fifteen years ago) were a bit shrill, the neo creamback is really quite nice... a lot darker than some of the early speakers. That would be cool if we could mess around like that but I guess they dont want us building our own haha
After this i am trying my 16 ohm M , again i did not care for it in the 40 dsl it came in. i will put it in one of my 2x12 cabs. Thanks.
Excellent, let us know how you get on.
I love my G12M Creambacks 2x12 with my Boogie Mark V for almost everything, except super tight highgain rhythm sounds. But for everything else, it`s my favorite. Thanks for the Video!
Great, I love the M too. We have a Mark V here that we will be doing some speaer changes on. I will make sure there is an M creamback in the mix.
I've had H75s and Neos in both 1x12 and 2x12 cabs and they are both fantastic - I think the H75 is one of my all time favourite speakers for crunchy Marshall rock, but I also think the Neo is fantastic irrespective of its weight - it's like a well used greenback that's lost some of it's bite/fizz and sounds awesome with a JCM800 - and because it's less sensitive than the H75 I can turn the amp up more. I never thought the M65 sounded remotely like any greenback I've ever had, and never heard the Alnico in person.
I think you hit the nail on the head there Andi, regarding the H75 and neo. You should try and give an alnico cream a blast if you get the chance, it is a great speaker.
I always disliked the m65. It's just dull and boring.
You guys should start a podcast. I'm really digging the M Creamback. Really love the vintage vibes.
Thanks. I'll be honest I'm a bit of a dinosaur, I'm not too sure what a podcast is ;) I really should get out more.
@@ZillaCabs Haha, it's kind of like a radio show. You guys just talk all about different speakers and cabs and stuff. Very interesting.
How about a recommendation for replacing a 70-80 out of a marshall dsl 20?
OK cool, any of these will work well, but if you wanted to go for the alnico it may be worth checking that it will physically fit in side the cab. Personally I'd go for the neo cream as it will help keep the sound nice and bold.
thank you guys! this was awesome and super helpful :)
clean:
Alnico: 13:28/ Neo: 13:45/ 65: 14:01/ 75: 14:18
Rhythm:
Alnico: 14:34/ Neo: 15:32/ 65: 16:30/ 75: 17:28
Thanks Michael, I'm glad you liked it.
i agree!
Helpful. Alnico wins on all. And this is the 3rd best alnico they make! See these guys’ other shootout!
Fantastic video! The M65 sounded best to me for heavy tones: dark but with the right amount of mids in the right spot.
Excellent thanks for taking time to watch, I'm glad you liked the video.
I prefer the sound of the alnico and the M. That's reassuring because I have an M arriving tomorrow...
Great, I hope you like it
I'm quite surprised at how much I liked the Neo! Thanks for this great comparison in all but the heaviest tones.
Thanks for watching. It is a great speaker. Not like some of the neo speakers that came before it that could be a little harsh sometimes.
I have a 2x12 with an M and an H. Great combination! Full lows, lots of mids, and just enough highs to maintain note definition. Really digging the Alnico though - seems like the most open of the four.
That is a great mix, we don't do it that often but I love it. The Alnico cream is a great speaker, it is really warm. It is getting really popular in our ported 1x12 actually, even though the cab was designed for the H cream. Thanks for taking time to listen!
Alnico and v30 is a beast! Alnico andCreamback H75..not that good,hard to describe but something is missin. I would love to hear a Creamback M and Alnico!
H and Alnico for me. True for the light weight speaker Neo Cream is valid option.
That is a very popular combination. Joe uses the M cream and alnico cream together in a 2x12. We have a load of creamback mix videos coming out shortly.
They're all really similar, my ears would get used to any of them and be happy.
Alnico 3 pickup magnets were also developed due to post war shortages of cobalt . Alnico 3 is actually an Alni 3 becuase it has no cobalt. Gibson used then in p90s from 1953 to 1957 then they switched to A5 for p90s which begs the question was alnico 3 used in pafs produced I'm 1956 and 57 .
oh wow, that is really interesting, I didn't realise that. Thanks for pointing that out Adam!
I really want to buy the alnico cream to throw in and replace the 70/80 in my dsl40c, it's such an aesthetic speaker too. Might just have to bite the bullet and pay the price tag.
Thanks Gentlemen, great review. My taste was Anico #1, H #2, the Neo and M sounded good, but the clarity/articulation of the Anico just killed it.
Thanks. Yeah that alnico cream just works for so many styles, nice and warm without sounding dark or losing any articulation. Its a shame it is as expensive as it is.
Excellent. Amazed by the difference between them really. The alnico sounds gorgeous in all the ‘bluesy’ examples, but the Neo and H really shine in the final ‘heavy’ test. I got a Neo myself, to upgrade and lighten my Laney VC30 (also to give it a little more space between the back of the speaker and the valves), but if I had the funds, the strength and the space, id be well happy with the alnico. Good video.
Thanks for that, I'm glad you like it. I really like them all, they mix great too. The alnico cream is probably my favourite but they are expensive.
Thanx guys. Great as always. Really like your workshop vids with all these materials at the background. Gives you that cozy feel.
Another video gets me biased towards G12H Creamback, especially for high gain stuff- it really stands out. But that’s just my application though (gain and cleans mostly). If I were for a crunch/lightly driven to point of breakup setup, I’d shoot for an AlNiCO type magnet hands down! But that would be a completely different journey, checking out different brands (P12N for eg, sounds really competitive imho)
Thanks mate. Yeah Jensen do some great speakers... there are loads of great speakers out there. At the moment because we don;t have loads of time to spend on videos we just do what we stock but I am definitely looking to get more speakers involved, including a few that we have of out own ;)
The neo sounds a kinda like the H... and those are the two best sounding imo... I think the H is the best... I think a 2x12 or 4x12 with Creamback H and a Vintage 30 in combination, is probably one of the best combos...
The alnico sounds awesome with that midrange warmth for dirty country/blues/punk etc, but sounds muddy when chugging it...
That all makes sense to me. I think with a bit more time tweeking you can get the alnico sounding better for heavier stuff but in this video we didn't want to stray too far with the amp settings so it may not have been quite as representative with the heavier stuff as it could have been.
I forget which guitar player it is but the have a signature rig with V30's and G12H-75 in an X-pattern. It's made by Peavey and it's a modern player, just can't remember at the moment. Maybe one of the guys from Periphery?
Totally agree.
I really like the midrange of the M-65, but it lacks high end sizzle and harmonics it making it sound a little boxy and dull. I wish they had a speaker with the mids of the M65 and the highs of the Alnico or H75... Can you compensate this with the apms EQ or will they always be stonglly rolled of and less harmonic than the others?
I think speaker comparisons are so hard to do and even harder to trust 😊 There are so many infuences like mic position, amp, amp eq, playing style... The mic position alone is hard to do i think: one position for all speakers or go with the best position for each one? In this test for example if you choose the mic position based on the h75, the m65 might sound dull, if the other way around, the h75 might be really ear piercing 😅 So thank you guys for trying to provide nice demos and giving even more info in the comments!
It's very true, these really are just one situation of thousands that they can be in.. its not really a fair test but we try and make them as fair as possible and yeah you can just eq your amp to fine tune things. In a more natural setting we'd jsut record sounds taht we think are good for each speaker but that introduces more bias. Thanks for watching.
Loving these. Please keep them coming.
All same impedance? Diff between 16 and 8 of a same speaker is striking. And diff between parallel and series even moreso.
Thanks. We keep impedance the same when testing and try to keep as many constants as possible. It is hard to say exactly how speaker impedance effects sound as you never know how much the change in impedance on the amp is colouring the sound.
Zilla Cabs As ever I appreciate everything you do. Every last smidgen of attention you pay to every detail. I wish I were not on the other side of the Atlantic because I would come rub elbows with you wearing masks of course. My experience is that The different taps within an output transformer usually are almost identical in frequency response. Of course the primary side of the transformer doesn’t change with the secondary side. So presumably the different voice coil load within the same magnet of two different speakers is the culprit for any difference. I do have the 15 and eight ohm G 12 M 20 and they are strikingly different. Ultimately I would say eight ohms is the best overall load. I think Celestion agree because their spectral analyses of their own speakers it are always taken at eight ohms. In general a single eight ohm speaker is the best load of all. Good bass good treble. 16 or 15 tend to be far more treble biased.
Makes sense when you consider that almost every HIFI speaker out there is eight ohms for some reason. :)
Keep up the great work guys. Don’t ever quit.
Zilla Cabs oh and I see we are talking past each other a little bit. I see my original point was that 2eight ohm speakers in series sound very different to 2 16 ohm speakers in parallel. Even though the speakers themselves are different as I just discussed. Series humps and parallel scoops. Generally. The best possible sound is always with one speaker. Or I should say the clearest. Series will tend to enhance a nice high gain sound.
The basic character is the same, but the details differ. The Cream would be my choice with a JTM45, even better sounding than a vintage G12H, if you think of nice AC/DC crunch, the surprise for me is the really good sound of the Neo, while I do not really like the neodymium Century very much. The G12H CB is a good all-round speaker, while the G12M CB needs the right amp and has a tendency to sound a little too fat in some combinations. (Think of the G12M CB and G12H CB as regular G12M and G12H's with more bass and of the Cream as a more powerful Gold with more bass, while the Neo CB is a little different due to the neodymium magnet, sounds a little slimmer, I would say, but not necessarily worse, onyl different, maybe also more focused, less diffuse, which some players will like, others not. I'd prefer it for modern high-gain to Metal sounds most probably, even over a K100 or Copperback, which I hardly like.)
The lighter weight of the Neo is a plus, while the higher price of the Cream is a disadvantage. In a 212 cabinet I most probably used a Cream and a Ruby (if I could afford them) or a Neo Creamback and a Ruby, to get a nicely balanced sound with equally good bass, mids and treble reproduction. But also a G12M CB with a G12H CB could sound equally good, I think, maybe even harmonize better.
Excellent speakers they all are...
the 65M may be one of the greatest speakers ever made for guitar... I would love to hear some demos on how this specific speaker sounds at different volume or output levels... like with an attenuator.
It is a cool speaker, I'm glad you found it so useful. We did a short video on blasting a speaker with a captive load box, I think we got some good results there.
Nah
It truly is one of the best speakers ever created . I put one in my DSL40CR to soften it up some add some much needed warmth and to push the amp more towards the vintage side and it was the best choice I could have made for that amp. It went from an amp I barley used to my number 1 amp .. it made the amp sound far more vintage and gave it the warmth and spongyness was looking for . It's much more balanced sounding and prior to swap I found the amp quite fizzy and raspy sounding . Now I like certain amount of rasp but in stock form it was a but too much . Best of all it made the ultra Gain red channel sound fantastic. Before it was completely unusable but now I use it more then ultra green. I has alot more clarity and all of the fizz is gone ..With the creamback M the amp has that Alex Lifeson all the world's a stage live sound. It nails the live sound of songs like Bastille Day 2112 Best I can Etc. I have also found that the Seymour Duncan Alnico 2 Pro slash pickups nail that 2112 era live alex lifeson tone and are also great for ACDC tone . Those pickups have some serious late 60s Gibson Patent sticker pickup vibes
They all sounded lovely clean. Overall, I still prefer the AlNiCo Cream best. I thought the H sounded particularly bad at the Lead and Metal tones, and the M was at the bottom of my list for Rhythm tone.
Speakers are so subjective, that is what is so great about them.. and good that there are so many ;) Thanks for taking so much time listening to our videos it is really cool!
For the cleans I think the H and Neo sound great!
I love all four but I think this range of four speakers gives something for everybody. Thanks for watching Jordan.
Thank you. Very good and easy to understand.
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Thanks
I always prefer the alnicos due to the higher headroom. The sound is more 3D than the ceramics. Of the ceramics, I prefer the H (Heritage) over the M (Vintage) because the H is warmer than the M. The other Celestion ceramic I prefer is the H30-55hz (in a front ported cab). BTW, you posted this video on Jimmy Page's birthday.
haha that's really cool, we should have done some led zep riffs
in this test, what I liked most was the Creamback M
The M cream is a great speaker, it works well in a lot of different sized cabs. Thanks for watching.
The Alnico is the best for clean and lead, the H held together the nicest with light breakup.
I like them all but the Alnico cream is something special, I do really love it.
For me, M best suits a 1x12 combo, especially for home playing where extra lower mids are satisfying. Can sound a bit boxy when pushed with gain.
For live work, either the neo or the H. H is my favourite, I have it paired with a V-Type in my 2x12.
Alnico sounds great, but hard to justify the cost versus the others. Also, I wonder if its creamback flavour means it lacks some of the chime of a celestion blue or gold, that I'd be after from an alnico.
I liked the creambackM65 best for the lead tone. But I own this one so I have a bias. The neo wins on weight, no contest there :) I think the H stands for heavy metal, so there's your answer for that speaker. It almost seemed wrong to see the alnico speaker putting out that wicked heavy metal gallop :) Love your work.
Thanks for that, I'm glad you liked it. That Alnico cream is so versatile.... so warm and smooth but still has a distinctive sound that can cut through.
Creamback m65is a nice speaker and one of my favorites but it does not sound all thst much like a greenback . Its hard to make a 65 watt speaker sound like a 25 watt speaker . The m65 has a nice vintsge tone with a healthy dose of modern. Creamback m65 paired with a vintage 30 is a wonderfull combo great for classic rock like zeppelin and can do modern really well.
Yeah you are right, I think it has some of the vibe and you can get away with it as a direct replacement and still get some great sounds but going 25 to 65 watts is a big jump, you are totally right there.
Wouldn't it ne great if celestion would come up with a "heavy magnet" neo creamback🤩
haha, a 1000 watts and the loudest speaker ever ;)
Yes. I second this. Like the H75 (not weight but flux/sound) but with neo. Or 100W or 250W.
1kW might be a little overkill.. LOL 😉
If I has to choose one, I would choose the M Creamback. Clean, they were incredibly close, with the Alnico a tad slightly sweeter. For Rhythm, I thought the Alnico was every so slightly harsh in the treble, so much preferred the M. For lead, the Alnico was lovely, but any of the others would do the job more than well.
Moral of the story, own loads of cabs ;) ... only joking. I really do believe ever (decent) speaker has at least one thing it fits in the mix for.
I have a 5 watt Tone King Gremlin that’s based off a blackface/tweed amp . It’s an open back combo . After hearing these demos , I can’t decide on the M or the H . I’m looking for something sparkly and with a tight low end . They sound so similar, but would you suggest would be best to get those Fender tones ?
Really good video! 👍 Alnico creamback is my favorite!
What was the amp? Sound cool! Great rock sound! 😍
Thanks. I will have to check my notes but I am pretty sure it was a 50 watt JMP
OK thanks a lot! I figured it was the stilleto... 50w jmp 2204? Am I right?
@@madjack4691 yeah that's right, they are great amps.
Alnico=most bloom and sustain across the board and all frequencies. Neo=most neutral/flat response. G12M=rolled off high-mids, soft and subdued, sounds older/more worn-in. G12H=little more peak in upper mids, faster response/attack than the G12M, as if G12M was newer and a little harder. Verdict: Alnico Creamback nicest sound and vibe out of all.
Yeah that all sounds pretty right bang on to me. I'm glad you enjoyed the video... and bloom, that's a lovely word to use for this.
@@ZillaCabs But as the gain went up, I think the regular M had the best balance of focus and evenness in the mids. Most pleasing with distortion if you will. So for cleans to slight natural drive in like a Fender blackface, the Alnico. For drive and distortion, especially in a closed-back ext cab, the M....AC/DC all day. Not surprising that it's probably the closest to vintage worn-in Greenbacks.
thanks for this! the clean I liked the best is the NEO; the NEO certainly doesn't hold up against the others once distortion/OD is introduced. The heavy chugg for the Alnico is outstanding altho I like the H equally. My comments only refer to this video audio and no personal experience
You're not a big fan of the neo for heavier playing? I quite like it for heavier stuff. It is a little darker than some of the others so I can see how that would go down.
Totally agreed on all
@@ZillaCabs I went with EV 12L Classics in the end :-) Thanks for the vids!
Just replaced the greenback in my dsl20cr with alnico and it’s such a perfect pairing I can crank my little amp and chug with no flub :) was pricey though lol
Really good playing. Usually not the case on YT. Thx!
Thanks. Joe's a great player for sure.
When these videos came out, I loved them. They are still my reference. When I do not have a speaker to show, I use your videos to remind myself or to show someone what to expect from the speaker. Now, some time have passed by, and one could have heard few cabinets loaded with speakers from the Cream series. They became main stream. They became proven as well. At first I was reserved but now I think Celestion has done an awesome job. This year for my Birthday I got my self few cabinets and speakers. I have extended my test setup for my amplifiers. Now I have in house Alnico Cream, Creamback H and M. Also i got one more Hempback. Hempback is becoming one of my favorite ceramic magnet speakers. Friend of my has 2x12 loaded with Creamback Neo and they are quite good actually but somehow I love the other versions just bit more.
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A while ago I want looking for a neo creamback but I needed 4 ohms couldn't find any 4 ohm creambacks but I did end up with a Wgs et 65 and its a very good balance for my us sounding amp and its comes in 4ohms
Excellent demo in a world of bad ones!! Confirms my thoughts on the Alnico 90; I'm looking to change the EV 12L with my Boogie MK III . The spike it has at about 2-3k and an almost " papery" low end is starting to drive me nuts. Can be very harsh. I did think the neo was great on heavy though too.
Thanks Paul, I'm glad you liked it. The Alnico cream is a really cool speaker. Although it is quite a different speaker to the 12L there are very few situations in which the Alnico cream doesn't sound great.
One other thing has occurred to me. So many speaker demos might benefit from an initial demo of a common guitar speaker like the GT12T75, thereby providing a comparison point. That way you could more easily see how changing to a different speaker alters the tone.
Would a creamback 65 be a good choise in a closed 1x12 paired witha silver jubilee 2525h? Don,t like it with a cloqed 2x12 v30 cab?
Yeah it should work good, we have a 2555 here that we use for testing.... got the combo too and that sound great (obviously open back). The silver jubilees I;ve played have sounded really good with the M creams, great with the neo creamback too, that is possibly one of my favourite speakers with this amp.
the music in this video is so inspiring
Lucked out and got 20% off a Neo Creamback 16 ohm on Guitar Center website. I was not disappointed. Then, on another happenstance bought the last In Stock 16 ohm Eminence DV-77 on Sweetwater. They are great on their own. Together it is something special.
That's great, I'm glad you like it. I've been trying to get hold of the DV-77 but haven't been able to, not even in the States, they are so hard to get hold of in Europe. I can't wait to get one in though.
Alnico cream back combined with a 70's greenback........yup. What you are imagining is what it would sound like. A Eminence 78' 12820PA replacing the Alnico creamback would work well also. That is my wish list for my Garnet combo. I'm rebuilding mine with new caps and a bias control mod added for the power tubes. My tired speakers are to be replaced.
That sounds really cool Steven. Let us know how you get on with the amp and how the speakers sound in there, it sounds like a really cool project.
What combo would you suggest fir the hot rod deville 2x12? I play mostly lots of pedals and clean tones. Delay, reverbs etc. ambient type music. The amp is too damn heavy but I don’t want to sacrifice sound fir weight?
I was thinking the neo with whatever else you think would be best suited for that amp and type music?
I use jaguars and a Gretsch g5622 cb 3 pickup semi hollow.
Thanks
I’d really appreciate the help
A lot of people like the H for cleaner playing or for a cleanish platform for pedals but I really like the neo or alnico cream for that, they may be a little more subtle especially for the guitars you are playing.
I ended up buying the Jensen Blackbird jet alnico 100 watt for my 68 custom deluxe reverb reissue. I have a Jensen alnico 10inch in my fender super champ x2.. came with a celestion 30
We're hoping to get a few Jensen in to the studio soon to have a play around with. How are you getting on with the blackbird?
Great playing. I have 2M and a single H and I can't decide on what to do with them. Got a cab with 2 EVH(heritage greens) I could swap out. I am really loving the tones on here.
i have a set of one alnico cream and one creamback 65 this is my perfect set ever with a two-rock amp
Great, that is an awesome mix. Joe has that same set up in his Studio Pro 2x12.
Do you have alnico cream on top or bottom in this set?
@@mckorczas7483 i have the alnico in the bottem do to the fact ist bassier.
I’m lookin into the 65 and started to consider the cream. Do you use these in a band setting? I’m wondering how easily the 65 fits in a band mix and once blasted if it has the ear hurting fizz some speakers have. One of my amps came with v types and they are warm to a degree and off axis they still sound present and don’t get all dark sounding which is good but if you’re in the front it just sizzles in a very unappealing way and is totally in enjoyable, off axis is ok I just would rather have a speaker that doesn’t sizzle like that I’m wondering with the cream back mostly. How would the alnico compare to it? It’s funny people love the alnico and many people claim the 65 is muddy yet I hear the cream is even darker yet never described as muddy
Do you find the 3db difference in the two noticeable when playing ?
Hey guys great video! I use a lot of creamback 75 and Mesa V30 mix in two of my cabinets. Any idea what a creamback mixed with a GK-100 would sound like for heavy rock and metal?
Yeah the H75 creamback is great with a V30, we do that a lot, a nice mix of vintage and modern. You know what I'm not entirely sure we have mixed a H creamback with a K100. I imagine it would sound great. I do tend to find the K100 lends itself well to being mixed with a different speaker, often it is the V30 but the H creamback should work well with it. We are working on build a bank of speaker mixes, watch out for that!
That would be great guys. I like how they sound mixed. But I have to say I wondered what that K-100 and Creamback mix would sound like. I’ll definitely be checking out that video!
@@vogtgrant1 that would be a really cool video!
Zilla Cabs....”The Speaker Show”!
Let me re-phrase that....”THAT Speaker Show”!
We're building a 4x12 for That Mick Taylor at the moment. It is very flattering for you to class us in the same league as those guys.
Cream 14:59. 18:35
Neo 15:40. 19:32
M 16:38. 20:30
H 17:36. 21:28
my fav is definitely the H75, combined with V30 (that darn Nolly, coming up with such great combinations)
haha that's very flattering, it was me that suggested that combination for him, we did it at a recording session at Riverside studio back in 2014 with his first Fatboy 2x12. It is a great combination, best of both worlds.
which turned out to be the whole band's favourite lol (and many of the djent kids on the community)
@@junkawakami3193 yeah when we made Mishas second cab he just said go with what Nolly has... it's not normally a bad strategy.
I would say get the M in a closed 2x12 or the big H in an open 1x12 or 2x12.
I recently pulled all 4 Alnico Creams out of my closed 2x12 cabs and put back one Greenback and one G12H30 Anniversary back in (both broken in) and I think they sound better and more 'alive' with the volumes I am playing. The Creams took 15-20 hours of band practice to mellow but I don't think they are worth the price difference.
I tried the H Creamback but did not like it at all, it was way too stiff and raspy for low gain drive sounds, back to UK made Greenbacks and all was well again ;-)
Hi Jim, are they your preferences or are you asking which we prefer?
I still have the twin cab i bought from you some years back ... V30 and other speaker in it
Thanks Colin. It is good to hear you are still loving it.
Hi! I would like to ask you if you tried to mix Alnico Cream with another no Alnico speaker especially I mean combination Alnico cream with V30 or Greenback. I want to make own 2x12 cab and I am little bit terrify that one speaker will be louder than another. I have 1987 plexi 50W and it is to sharp on my 1960B V30 cabinet! Thank you.
Hi Samuel. We've mixed them with V30s before, that worked great. Joe has an AlNiCo cream mixed with an M creamback in his cab and that sounds class.
I have creamback m 8ohm vintage 30 8ohm and alniko blue 15ohm. The alniko is the best for sure.
They are all really cool speakers. I think the blue has something that you jsut can't get any other way. Thanks for watching.
the H wins no doubt i am listening in the phone , The neos win the weight war alnico are to scratchy bright at 1 k
The H is a cool speaker, I can see why you'd pick that one. Thanks for watching.
I can't believe people don't use EVM 12L 200w Speakers...Nothing like it...
Yeah it is a great speaker. Heavy as hell though and expensive... also relatively few places stock them as EV don't seem to like selling their stuff ;)
Great comparison. I play trough a ”dumbeclone” 50w and a semi open 2x12 with WGS ET-65:s. Planning to hava a lighter 1x12 ported cab. What creamback would be the choise?
Well we make a nice ported cab based around the H creamback but it sounds great with the neo creamback too and that is the natural choice if you want to keep weight down, in fact with the neo creamback it sounds massive for its size and weight.
I like neo best of creambacks because its pretty clear and has body. M is too bassy and H too bright what i have try those.
Thanks for watching. The neo creamback is a great speaker, especially for smaller cabs as it has a certain amount of body to it.
The vintage greenbacks creambacks greybacks and black backs are the same in spec expet sometimes the ones prior to 74 had psionic cones and from 74 onwards they had kurt Mueller or Ric cones
Yeah that's right. I just wanted to point it out so people didn;t think the new creambacks were reissues of the old ones.
Neo Creamback for the win I’m buying one ASAP for my blackstar HT club 40 mkII
it's a great speaker, especially for smaller cabs
damn I love the Neo, but I have a cream back
It's a cool speaker, and the weight saving is great! Thanks for watching
Alnico has zero fizz, which can be great if that's what is needed. Cheap alternative would be the A-type.
We really haven't done enough videos on the A type, I'll have to dig some out and do that comparison.
I have a M65 in a 1x12. I miss something...what would be a good combination for a 2x12 for a more open/cutting sound?Alnico cream? V30? T75?
What kind of cab is it? Size/wood and is it open back. What sort of styles do you play?
Zilla Cabs thanks for answering. I play mostly rock/metal/lead. My current cab is a close back 112. Don’t know the wood. It’s pretty heavy. Using both the kemper or the engl. I like the creamy but I pretty much end up turning the presence past 9. That’s why I want to mix the m65 with a different speaker on a 212.
Same here
the G12M65 + G12T-75 = what result??
The Alnico is best for cleans by far... it gets too spitty on dirty rhythm. That being said, the H is the clear winner for me. The M is at the bottom of my list...
Thanks for watching Randall. The Alnico cream is a great speaker. I really like the M but it is probably the darkest of the lot and I can see how some people prefers the other because of that.
I think I like the H the best and it sound best in all categories to my ears.
Hi Erik, it is a great speaker, it is very popular for all sorts of styles. Thanks for watching.
I have 40w evh 5150 combo and can't decide what to put in it? I like gain.. not sure?
I like the M Creamback..I'd love to know what the playing is from AC/DC? at 17min especially at th-cam.com/video/zcPEcrWCTPc/w-d-xo.html Killer! But it all sounds good!
Hi Bill, that was a riff joe came up with. I told him to play ACDC meets Van Halen, I think he got that pretty good. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs Nice! Thanks
The alnico sounds incredible but is too expensive for me. Of the other three the M65 is the best across all the styles and I think for players looking to take a couple of Vintage 30s out of their closed-back 412 cab and replace them with something else in an X-pattern setup they might be the best bet and give a good balance with the V30s. What do others think?
The Alnico cream is great, but you are right, it is a lot of money for sure. The H cream is probably the most popular choice to mix with a V30 but I do think a lot of that is down to the balance in volume. We've had some great results mixing the M cream with a V30, it works really well. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs listening to this again I think I prefer the H75 ... the heavy clip at the end swayed my vote!
Great demos great playing ! very musical demos
Thanks for that, that is very kind of you, I'm glad you enjoyed them.
and know a 4x10 creamback set cab, togetter with a 2x12 (1x65 and a 1xalnico) love it
We just recorded a 4x10 with a mix of speakers, including the 10" creamback in. It is a great speaker and recorded really well too. Thanks for watching.
The H for me! It's the most balanced it can cut through the mix but with a very smooth presence. Never ice-peaky! Would it work with an Orange Rockerverb 50 MKIII?
That's a good description I'd say. I've found it works great with every Orange I've played... clean through to high gain I've liked it every time. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs Thanks for your reply!
Thank you for taking the time to do this comparison. It’s really well done and highlights the subtle differences of the same speaker.
I’m going to have to watch this again and give my thoughts. As l listened to this while going to work.
Thanks for that, that is really kind of you. We have been meaning to do this video for a while now so it is nice to know it has gone down so well.
You guys are killing it right now so keep up the good work!
I’m sure it’s not easy to do these videos in between filling orders running a business. It’s a needed and valuable resource.
Because not many do speaker comparisons as well as your channel IMHO.
I definitely preferred the Neo 1st, then the alnico 2nd, H 3rd, M last.
I love the neo cream, it is such a great sounding speaker and then comes the weight saving, it can be a god send in larger cabs.
Alnico sounds the best
Thanks for watching. It is a really nice speaker.
In terms of volume, is the Neo (60W.) quieter than the 65W.??? Thank you.
They both have a sensitivity rating of 97dB at 1W1m so are both on the "quieter" end of things.
They all sound fine, but Alnico for me sounds the sweetest.
Thanks Cue, the Alnico cream is a great speaker, sweet is a perfect word for it, we find it handles so many different styles and cabs.
@@ZillaCabs Cheers. I'm however wondering if I'll like it in my amp since I didn't really dig the Gold I had in there for a few months. It came with a G12-65 that has a really cool midrange that sits in a mix exceptionally well. But it obviously doesn't do the bell and chime thing an Alnico speaker does.