I built a copy of the MESA Recto 2x12 cab and loaded it with Neo Creambacks. I'm happy to say they sound beautiful: nice lows (makes the floor shake!), creamy mids, and smooth even highs. I'm glad I chose them for my cabinet project :-)
I have “real time” experience and the Neo is one of my best speakers. And as you can see from the 6 hour Celestion video, I own all of them. So maybe don’t try and spoil other people’s opinions from your own experience?
Dude this is the best comparison vid ive seen with accurate cuts and sound quality I personally love that mid boosted sound Plan to swap out my vintage 30s 🙏
Good Day. I just found this site. Most Enjoyable Explanation and Demonstration of these speakers. My Fender Twin Reverb Tone Master has 2x12" Neo's in it. It's light and sounds excellent. I've heard Various Neo Speakers and they sound great in most uses. Thank You & Best Regards.
I’m really looking into lightening my rig and I think one of these in a lightweight cab. I’ve been looking into the Quilter superblocks to pair with a lightweight cab and compared to the rigs I’ve used with tube amps and EVM-12Ls it’s a huge difference.
Both are great. Greenback is more scooped and smooth. V-Type has a little more midrange, a bit agressive. I’ll will be happy with any of these speakers.
I've just found out that that Orange ppc 212 V (verticle) comes with those, but they still put vintage 30s in the horizontal 2x12. Just thought I'd put that out there in case somebody is looking for a 2x12 and they like the neo creams. The verticle cab is open back, which I kinda don't like, and I'd bet the horizontal cab with the neo's would sound better to my ears with it's lower position and closed back. BTW in this demo I thought the Neo's sounded best overall.
The vintage 30's are my choice, but having a light weight Neo that sounds good enough also makes sense. I'll carry the heavier weight to get that tone with the V30's.
wow, they sound very nice. love the v30's in my box, they sound way better than this video shows, not saying unfair representation of them. i'm getting into IR's and moving my valve amp to the side. it's amazing the tones you can get with different speakers and amps. some speakers compliment amps, then destroy the tone of other amps.
I am about to order one of the Neo's for my Deluxe Tone Master. I don't care much for the tone of the stock Jensen. The only Jensen speakers I like are the really old Alnico models, but not what is in the Tone Master stock..
Apparently Celestion discontinued this speaker. I have a blown one and needed a cone kit to rebuild it Celestion says it's no longer in stock.. The G12 kit worked just fine.
Hi there can I ask you a question I have a Vox ac15c1 It has the cream back Celestin speaker G12m 65w 16ohms And I have an extension cabinet Vox v212c it has Celestin greenbacks 25 watt 16 ohms G12 M now I am looking to change out the speakers in the extension cabinet to some vintage 30 or Neo cream back have I got enough power in my ac15 to power theses or would you recommend something else thanks David thumbs up from Australia 🇦🇺
+Darko P did you see the video I did about breaking in? It makes little difference. And also by the time I did this video I'd been using it for a month
Really good video, thanks for posting! a little less talk in the front please and you lable the neo with alnico later in the comparison,.. don't feel bad, I miss spell the channel name among other things somewhat commonly in videos.
Who wouldn't like a light weight 12" speaker, right? Ive played myriad speaker brands and power ratings in my decades of on stage experience. As far the Celestion 12" goes, I never cared much for their high power speakers but damn there low watt speakers are the shit!! The greenback and the al-blue are hands down the best sounding speakers for rock n roll I've ever used and will continue to use them in my vintage Marshall amps. Expensive yes, but worth every penny!
WOW... Blown Away with NEO Cream 60W. @ 6:22 Clarity and bottom end is far better than others. And again @ 7:25, even though it's listed wrong as Creamback 90W. And who can't use to save 5lbs/Speaker
Disappointed that the cream alnico didn’t sit in the mix, but I think there’s so many variables at play. Kristian Kohle didn’t like the Neo Creamback (and his demo of it wasn’t flattering) but every other video of it, I’ve liked it.
Hey! Nice review, helpful! I am thinking of upgrading my cab with a Zilla and to me pairs different speakers sound the best. What do you think about a V30 paired with Hesu demon vs a Neo Creamback paired with G12h 75? Which one would be more brutal for contemporary metal? I heard in a demo that the Demon and V30 would complement each other, what about the Neo and G12h 75? Thanks!
Hi! For me the Neo has a deep darker voice, and the G12H 75 is more of a "classic rock" sound, so although it would sound great, not really the most "brutal" for metal. The guys at Zilla usually recommend combining a G12H 75 with a V30 - that way you get the mid range cut from the V30 and the brutal low end from the Creamback. Hope that helps - if in doubt, call Zilla directly and talk to Paul. Tell him Adam from Hop Pole Studios sent you! They are happy to talk about what you need in person.
I currently have Celestion Vintage 30's, and they sound good. Playing Classic Rock, and 80's Hair Metal, how would Creambacks or Greenbacks sound, in place of the Celestion Vintage 30's? Can Greenbacks and Creambacks soune good with hard rock? If so, in your opinion, which one sounds better of the two..Greenback or Creamback?
Hmm in the specs on celestions website all the neo variety roll of at 75hz instead of 70hz i think that should work fine in a mix but i dont know if it lends itself to super low tunings or 7 or 8 string guitars
The exact top roll off has no relation to its suitability for extended range at all. We’re recording the new Monuments album with 7 and 8 strings with a Creamback Neo (blended with a V30)
Ok, still holds true though. A few Hz has very little bearing on low tuned guitars since that’s not the major frequency range where the tone sits, even though the fundamental is there it’s much louder up in higher harmonics
It definitely sounds most similar to the Alnico Cream in this demo in my opinion. I think I like it the most out of all 4.. smooth & Hi-Fi sounding. Though perhaps the other speakers would cut through in a busy mix a little better with their (kind of fatiguing) presence..?
@@Ryno133 Dan was was responding to the part of the video where the dude said a standard 4x12 weighs around 60lbs. None of them do. And there are no Friedman production 4x12's with neo speakers. Friedman cabs are around 86lbs. Moving on...
When I said 60lbs, I was understating it on purpose. Of course if you thought that was heavy, there are far worse! It’s possible to get one that light, but even so a lot of people’s backs won’t take it. My point seems to have proven itself...
@@adamsteelproducer It's ok. We've figured it out. You're missing the point. There are no 4x12's made on the market with regular magnet speakers that are anywhere as light at 60lbs. Nobody is saying 60 is too heavy. Dan was correcting you in saying a normal production standard magnet 4x12 is way heavier. Marshalls around 86lbs, Mesa's around 100, Orange's around 110lbs. You mentioned in the beginning that regular 4x12's (before putting Neo's in) are 60lbs. They were just correcting your data. We are all good here. Cheers.
Well....yes that’s the general idea. Stronger means you need less material, means lighter. Lighter has practical uses- and also makes it more sonically efficient. Keep in mind that companies have always changed methods and materials for business reasons- Celestion changed in the 60s from Alnico to Ceramic magnets entirely because of cost- and yet Greenbacks/V30s have become standards simply because so many people use them now
In my opinikn every music shop should have the same riff dropped on the same amp with different speakers to truely identify the preferance perhaps a midiochre amp to only enhance your ul grade please like and subscribe lmao
Nice demo, but don't be too sure about 2 60-watt speakers being enough for a 100-watt head. Most Marshall non-master volume 100-watt "plexis" generate _at least_ 135 watts, certain ones as much as 170 watts. This is because their output back in the days they were first designed and marketed was calculated _up to the point of distortion._ This is part of the reason why those amps are so much louder than later 100-watt master volume amps. Do you only ever run your hundred-watt plexi clean or with lots of attenuation? Unless you do, have a care about the power-handling capacity of your cab.
It’s definitely more than enough. 120w of speaker handling is about heat load rather than power, and even though you “can” get 135-170W out of a plexi, unless you’re running a fuzz drone at maximum volume then you’re not going to get that as consistent power delivery, meaning the speakers will have ample time to cool inbetween. It’s not the issue people think it is. I did a set of demos a few years ago where I ran a 100W 6L6 head through a single 20W greenback for several minutes, no harm came to it because I stopped before the speaker overheated. It’s all related
Heavier is always better quality and has always been that way ! It sucks however that’s why man invented the wheel ha ha ! Let me guess we are hearing the virtual version cause virtual sounds so real ! Virtual is virtually fake !
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My favourite speaker. Light, sounds great. It's perfect.
I built a copy of the MESA Recto 2x12 cab and loaded it with Neo Creambacks. I'm happy to say they sound beautiful: nice lows (makes the floor shake!), creamy mids, and smooth even highs. I'm glad I chose them for my cabinet project :-)
Sounds great, and good on you for making something to suit your own needs!
This guy truly knows how to make a gear information/review video! Excellent work, Adam and company!
Honestly It’s my favorite creamback regardless of weight I bought the neo on tone alone
I really dig the Celestion Neo-Cream IR, very good all-rounder, very balanced.
Love the light weight! I'd happily swap these into my Marshall 2x12 to save my back
Man that speaker has some awesome clarity and fullness to it. Loved the bark the neo has without the hiss of the V30's.
+Erik Truss yeah me too! I'm starting to move away from the V30 but it's a good frame of reference still because so many are out there
I have “real time” experience and the Neo is one of my best speakers. And as you can see from the 6 hour Celestion video, I own all of them. So maybe don’t try and spoil other people’s opinions from your own experience?
@@adamsteelproducer maybe you should mind your own business and stop telling others to stop sharing their own opinions???
@@adamsteelproducer Everyone has the right to share their own experience.. Something wrong with you man??
The fact you seem to have deleted a lot of your earlier rants in some effort to make me seem like the “bad guy” tells me you might need some help.
I like different speakers with different tones but I actually like the Neo across the board. Cool!
Dude this is the best comparison vid ive seen with accurate cuts and sound quality I personally love that mid boosted sound Plan to swap out my vintage 30s 🙏
Good Day. I just found this site. Most Enjoyable Explanation and Demonstration of these speakers. My Fender Twin Reverb Tone Master has 2x12" Neo's in it. It's light and sounds excellent. I've heard Various Neo Speakers and they sound great in most uses.
Thank You & Best Regards.
I’m really looking into lightening my rig and I think one of these in a lightweight cab. I’ve been looking into the Quilter superblocks to pair with a lightweight cab and compared to the rigs I’ve used with tube amps and EVM-12Ls it’s a huge difference.
Both are great. Greenback is more scooped and smooth. V-Type has a little more midrange, a bit agressive. I’ll will be happy with any of these speakers.
I've just found out that that Orange ppc 212 V (verticle) comes with those, but they still put vintage 30s in the horizontal 2x12. Just thought I'd put that out there in case somebody is looking for a 2x12 and they like the neo creams. The verticle cab is open back, which I kinda don't like, and I'd bet the horizontal cab with the neo's would sound better to my ears with it's lower position and closed back. BTW in this demo I thought the Neo's sounded best overall.
The vintage 30's are my choice, but having a light weight Neo that sounds good enough also makes sense. I'll carry the heavier weight to get that tone with the V30's.
wow, they sound very nice. love the v30's in my box, they sound way better than this video shows, not saying unfair representation of them. i'm getting into IR's and moving my valve amp to the side. it's amazing the tones you can get with different speakers and amps. some speakers compliment amps, then destroy the tone of other amps.
I am about to order one of the Neo's for my Deluxe Tone Master. I don't care much for the tone of the stock Jensen. The only Jensen speakers I like are the really old Alnico models, but not what is in the Tone Master stock..
Love the Neo Creamback and the Alnico Creamback the best
Planning on getting an Orange cr120c and putting these in it.
I did and it rips!
Thanks for a great review, the comparisons are really handy!
Apparently Celestion discontinued this speaker. I have a blown one and needed a cone kit to rebuild it Celestion says it's no longer in stock..
The G12 kit worked just fine.
fantastic extremely helpful great review thank you!
I Like Guitar Speaker Nice paint work on the Frame, Nice label on the magnet, and a vintage look.
Alnico Cream 90w and the vintage 30's I seemed to like the best.
Hi there can I ask you a question I have a Vox ac15c1 It has the cream back Celestin speaker G12m 65w 16ohms And I have an extension cabinet Vox v212c it has Celestin greenbacks 25 watt 16 ohms G12 M now I am looking to change out the speakers in the extension cabinet to some vintage 30 or Neo cream back have I got enough power in my ac15 to power theses or would you recommend something else thanks David thumbs up from Australia 🇦🇺
I believe that was a Neo Creamback at 7:25?
How about breaking in these?
I think that throws people off, heard they sound "thin" (or whatever) at first
+Darko P did you see the video I did about breaking in? It makes little difference. And also by the time I did this video I'd been using it for a month
Great review!
Last example mislabeled the neo:)
So it did! Oops! Good spot sir, you win the internet.
Really good video,
thanks for posting!
a little less talk in the front please
and you lable the neo with alnico later in the comparison,.. don't feel bad, I miss spell the channel name among other things somewhat commonly in videos.
Who wouldn't like a light weight 12" speaker, right? Ive played myriad speaker brands and power ratings in my decades of on stage experience. As far the Celestion 12" goes, I never cared much for their high power speakers but damn there low watt speakers are the shit!! The greenback and the al-blue are hands down the best sounding speakers for rock n roll I've ever used and will continue to use them in my vintage Marshall amps. Expensive yes, but worth every penny!
Some subtle, some pronounced differences between them. (with this comparison replayed through a set of computer speakers).
Great comparison fantastic
How does this compare to the Seventy 80?
I think Creamback+v30 would be a perfect combination But a 2x12 is huge for some cars hahaha. I don't know what to buy to a 1x12!
Nando Seiscuerdas - For guitar amplifiers.
Nando Seiscuerdas How about 2x 1x12!
Easier to lift and transport than a 2x12 cab!
Very good demo
WOW... Blown Away with NEO Cream 60W. @ 6:22 Clarity and bottom end is far better than others. And again @ 7:25, even though it's listed wrong as Creamback 90W. And who can't use to save 5lbs/Speaker
Disappointed that the cream alnico didn’t sit in the mix, but I think there’s so many variables at play. Kristian Kohle didn’t like the Neo Creamback (and his demo of it wasn’t flattering) but every other video of it, I’ve liked it.
Good review!!!
I wonder how well these hold together with high gain at stage volume.
Since they handle 60W each, I’d say very well! Anything more than 50W of guitar volume on stage is wildly more than necessary
Hey! Nice review, helpful! I am thinking of upgrading my cab with a Zilla and to me pairs different speakers sound the best. What do you think about a V30 paired with Hesu demon vs a Neo Creamback paired with G12h 75? Which one would be more brutal for contemporary metal? I heard in a demo that the Demon and V30 would complement each other, what about the Neo and G12h 75?
Thanks!
Hi! For me the Neo has a deep darker voice, and the G12H 75 is more of a "classic rock" sound, so although it would sound great, not really the most "brutal" for metal. The guys at Zilla usually recommend combining a G12H 75 with a V30 - that way you get the mid range cut from the V30 and the brutal low end from the Creamback. Hope that helps - if in doubt, call Zilla directly and talk to Paul. Tell him Adam from Hop Pole Studios sent you! They are happy to talk about what you need in person.
I have seen that recommendation on their webpage, I actually spoke with Paul some time ago. Thanks in lot, I'l keep that in mind!
Alnico Cream all day! Except maybe for cleans...
I’m SPEAKER STUPID, can I replace my speakers on my 5150 for two 150w speakers?
IMO all the others sound better than the alnico cream, and that was the speaker I was after
First listen was also my opinion. But after 5...6...maaaan, I'm all over it!
I currently have Celestion Vintage 30's, and they sound good. Playing Classic Rock, and 80's Hair Metal, how would Creambacks or Greenbacks sound, in place of the Celestion Vintage 30's? Can Greenbacks and Creambacks soune good with hard rock? If so, in your opinion, which one sounds better of the two..Greenback or Creamback?
Hmm in the specs on celestions website all the neo variety roll of at 75hz instead of 70hz i think that should work fine in a mix but i dont know if it lends itself to super low tunings or 7 or 8 string guitars
The exact top roll off has no relation to its suitability for extended range at all. We’re recording the new Monuments album with 7 and 8 strings with a Creamback Neo (blended with a V30)
@@adamsteelproducer apologies i wrote 70/75k rather than hz
Ok, still holds true though. A few Hz has very little bearing on low tuned guitars since that’s not the major frequency range where the tone sits, even though the fundamental is there it’s much louder up in higher harmonics
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It definitely sounds most similar to the Alnico Cream in this demo in my opinion. I think I like it the most out of all 4.. smooth & Hi-Fi sounding. Though perhaps the other speakers would cut through in a busy mix a little better with their (kind of fatiguing) presence..?
Not loving the v30 for cleans
60lbs? Where, show me a 4x12 that's so light! Mesa Recto 4x12's are over 100lbs.
Dan D doing the math, the Friedman cabs loaded with neo speakers, either the century vintage or the creamback come in at 60 lbs.
@@Ryno133 Dan was was responding to the part of the video where the dude said a standard 4x12 weighs around 60lbs. None of them do. And there are no Friedman production 4x12's with neo speakers. Friedman cabs are around 86lbs. Moving on...
When I said 60lbs, I was understating it on purpose. Of course if you thought that was heavy, there are far worse! It’s possible to get one that light, but even so a lot of people’s backs won’t take it. My point seems to have proven itself...
@@adamsteelproducer It's ok. We've figured it out. You're missing the point. There are no 4x12's made on the market with regular magnet speakers that are anywhere as light at 60lbs. Nobody is saying 60 is too heavy. Dan was correcting you in saying a normal production standard magnet 4x12 is way heavier. Marshalls around 86lbs, Mesa's around 100, Orange's around 110lbs. You mentioned in the beginning that regular 4x12's (before putting Neo's in) are 60lbs. They were just correcting your data. We are all good here. Cheers.
I am not fond of the vintage 30
meening i can add a magnet on my existing speeker and upgrade it xPPPP
It just exists because neodymium magnets are the most powerful ones!
Well....yes that’s the general idea. Stronger means you need less material, means lighter. Lighter has practical uses- and also makes it more sonically efficient.
Keep in mind that companies have always changed methods and materials for business reasons- Celestion changed in the 60s from Alnico to Ceramic magnets entirely because of cost- and yet Greenbacks/V30s have become standards simply because so many people use them now
In my opinikn every music shop should have the same riff dropped on the same amp with different speakers to truely identify the preferance perhaps a midiochre amp to only enhance your ul grade please like and subscribe lmao
Full Range ???
No, guitar speakers are not full range unless they are designed that way
have you tried the Celestion Century Vintage neo?
Have to say, I have not. Hope to at some point though. Just took delivery of a G12-35XC, working my way through the range at this rate
ItzVic the century vintage is poor compared to V30, very spongy sounding, neo creamback far better
@@rocksteady9115 I found them to be tight and fast, love them in my Blackstar!
@@markkosa1 i thought they were a bucket of crap tbh, no resemblence to a real v30 at all
@@rocksteady9115 Not like a traditional V30 when overdriven, but clean and sparkly with a nice edge for jazzy blues like I play..to each his own.
I thought I would hear the speaker instead I heard this guy read from Celestion section on Wikipedia
The Alnico Creamback is creamier on the highs, I am sorry to say.
Well thats true, but they're double the price. (at least at my dealer; 149€ / 299€ per speaker)
Nice demo, but don't be too sure about 2 60-watt speakers being enough for a 100-watt head. Most Marshall non-master volume 100-watt "plexis" generate _at least_ 135 watts, certain ones as much as 170 watts. This is because their output back in the days they were first designed and marketed was calculated _up to the point of distortion._ This is part of the reason why those amps are so much louder than later 100-watt master volume amps. Do you only ever run your hundred-watt plexi clean or with lots of attenuation? Unless you do, have a care about the power-handling capacity of your cab.
It’s definitely more than enough. 120w of speaker handling is about heat load rather than power, and even though you “can” get 135-170W out of a plexi, unless you’re running a fuzz drone at maximum volume then you’re not going to get that as consistent power delivery, meaning the speakers will have ample time to cool inbetween. It’s not the issue people think it is.
I did a set of demos a few years ago where I ran a 100W 6L6 head through a single 20W greenback for several minutes, no harm came to it because I stopped before the speaker overheated. It’s all related
Also, if on these amps 100W is “just a guideline”, then why not have 60W on the speaker be “just a guideline” also?
every venue should have empty 4x12 s and we just take the speakers and screw em in !
Or just get a few personal training sessions and learn how to correctly use and train your back.
That’s not how back trouble works. At all.
Heavier is always better quality and has always been that way ! It sucks however that’s why man invented the wheel ha ha ! Let me guess we are hearing the virtual version cause virtual sounds so real ! Virtual is virtually fake !
Be a man,heavy is good for you.
Heavy sound, yes. Broken back not so much. Does being unable to walk make you a “man”?
The neo creamback is probably a good choice if you want to play at lower volume levels.
The neo sounded best overall to me. Redback the worst, for my ears. Alnico cream a very close 2nd.